The Hoely Hour - E11 Lactating into the 5th Dimension

Episode Date: August 26, 2020

Move over, Neil deGrasse Tyson! Amelia and Liz have discovered the secret to opening the 5th dimension. The girls read a relationship horror story, talk about the difference between "making love" and "f*cking," and if they'd be down to clown with their clone. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

i'll pray for that i was a little drunk when i was like at my friend's bachelorette party and like this car was like zoomed through a stoplight to another stoplight and i was like and it was super loud and i was like hey how big is your dick your car is really loud so it must be pretty big welcome to the holy hour i'm amelia samson and i'm liz ball thanks for joining us for some reason i have a hard time saying i'm amelia samson like it just feels like too many m's you know i feel like i have to like take a break between i'm amelia samson like try saying it i'm amelia samson oh you're better at it than i am i've been saying my name my whole life i'm amelia samson i guess it does kind of if you say staccato it's a little bit better it has

like a cadence it makes sense why you kind of sing song i'm amelia samson now wait now you say my name i'm liz ball we're like morphing into each other we're spending too much time together well and that's funny because earlier on twitter your friend was like i forget you guys aren't the same person i was like literally same i can't tell you like the more time i spend with you it's like you'll text me like something that is exactly what i'm thinking really yeah like today when i said like what if you come over at 1 30 sorry there's a hair in my mouth i was like what if you come over at 1 30 and you're like haha because that actually means like two or something and then in my head I was like yeah yeah I know and

then I showed up at 2 30 that's what that was fine too because I was like I wish you would kind of come maybe like a little bit later because then I'll have time to wash my dishes and then you did okay perfect I cannot show up anywhere on time it's really bad if I tell somebody on the hour or the half hour I can't do it like if I say like I'll be there at 2 15 I can usually hit that like 215 or 245 is more doable than two or 230 I don't know what it is I've been that way since I was a kid I don't know what it is but that's the case oh I didn't tell you about the guy who was fucking following me no yeah you had it okay so yesterday morning I was leaving like my workout class and this guy like had gotten off the bus like right in front of the my gym and because there's a bus

stop right there and he didn't have a mask on so I was like annoyed that he didn't have a mask on and I was like how did he get on the bus because it's like not allowed yeah to get on the bus without a mask um and then he was just in my fucking way and I was like another middle-aged white man just bumbling around in my goddamn way so I like stomped around him and like rolled my eyes because it was just i like i have you ever noticed that like middle-aged white men are completely like blissfully unaware of like taking up so much fucking room oh yeah like just in the middle of the sidewalk in the middle of the grocery aisle just like spreading was such a thing for a while it's so annoying i'm just like can you fucking move because i know what i'm doing and

clearly you don't know what you're doing and i need you to get the fuck out of my way and that's generally like my attitude towards life is just like if you're in my way i need you to not relocate yeah um or i'll get cagey so i just like stomped around him and then like um walked across a crosswalk and then i like looked over at him because he looked like he he gave me like this energy that maybe he was on drugs um i don't think that i didn't get like i i don't think he was homeless um but I do I definitely think he might have been on drugs um and then he like was watching me cross the street and I was just like whatever another creep and then um I was going to the the Starbucks inside the grocery store and so I went in and I was like waiting

for my drink and then um this guy like a different guy like goes up to like someone who works at the grocery store and was like he's not wearing a mask and I turn and look and it's that guy from the bus my god and then as soon as like i noticed him and like anyone else noticed him like because a few people turned and looked at him and he like turned away and like slunk out the door what he was trying to not be noticed and then like the second i saw him he like went he like tried to sneak away what the fuck yeah i'm so glad you didn't go home i know because you would just know where you lived after that even if he didn't follow you right now like he could still know where you lived luckily I'm a speedy walker and I don't know if he would have kept up with me but

still I was just like and then like the guy who was like he's not wearing a mask um he was so pissed that this man was not wearing a mask and I mean it's against the law right now and I was like I was like I think that guy was following me and then he was like wait what and I was like yeah he like got off the bus when I was like leaving the gym I go to and like he definitely followed me in here and the fact that he was like trying to not be noticed by me and like slunk out the door like slithered away as soon as soon as he was recognized like that's so scary the fuck out and so I was like freaked out about that I also felt like a dumbass because I was like you think that like during the daytime like nothing can happen to you and um and then I was

like god damn it i should i should all i i was both like annoyed in general and like mad at myself because i was like oh i should have like been noticing this i should know better but then i was like i shouldn't have to know better i was just about to say that i should just be allowed to go and get my fucking coffee and then like enjoy the rest of my day yeah we should just like a human yeah especially during the day i mean like you're saying at night you kind of expect it so you're like yeah exactly during the day it's like nobody will hurt me in broad daylight i was thinking about that there's this story um on the news about this runner who like mid-20s woman was running in the middle of the day on a trail and she got pulled off the trail and killed in the

middle of the day yeah i remember i remember hearing that story what the fuck like we can't feel safe just going about our day as normal people like we have to be we always have to be aware of who's around us it's so fucked up i was telling um i was telling my boyfriend about it because like we were messaging about something else like as it was happening and i was like i'm a scary man just follow me and then he was like do you have like um pepper spray or anything and then i remembered like when i used to have pepper spray was in college but they would take it away at the bars yeah why is that because they're scared people are gonna like use it as a weapon i think that um they're just like sexist and stupid they're like they're like oh drunk

women are just going to pepper spray men and it's like i mean i will if they're assaulting me that's really fucked up you shouldn't give a shit if it's in your bar or not because i've i mean i was drugged in a bar in college anyways that's a that's a story for another time um but he's like do you have pepper spray and I was like I felt like an idiot I was like no and I totally should like I'm out here by myself do you hear that serial killers I'm out here by myself just you know kidding uh but I remember that Amazon has like um you can buy like it's a taser pepper spray kit so I'm probably gonna get one of those I definitely need one I had like one of those um personal alarms that you pull and it makes like a really high pitch sound I accidentally

set it off in the office one day because i was reaching in my bag for something and it came it was like the zipper was stuck around it so when i opened the zipper it pulled the like grenade yeah and i couldn't figure out how to stop it and everybody in the office was like what the fuck is like i'm sorry it's my rape yeah sorry my rape alarm i get you know assaulted in public don't want some normal stuff i have we do work in an unsafe area so yeah we actually do did I tell you I pepper sprayed myself so after I set off the alarm I was like I don't know if this is the right thing for me to have so I got pepper spray and I thought you were about to tell me it happened at the same time oh actually you know we got same day no the so my doctor who I talked

about on a few episodes now her husband learned that I wanted to take um like MMA classes like for self-defense uh-huh and he was like no you know what you need is pepper spray and so the next day you dropped off pepper spray so I had this pepper spray which was really nice yeah and um it was the day that there were those like three separate shootings in Seattle oh yeah and I was walking back to my bus stop drunk and I was like I should probably figure out how to use this and figuring out pepper spray when you're drunk is not the smartest thing in the world no and so I unclipped it and tried to test the stream and the nozzle was facing me no and I went all over my chest and then ricocheted into my eyes and then like i was fine and i got my bearings and but

when i was in the shower at night like it felt like my skin was melting off and i had welts all over me i'm like well i'm glad that it works it was so so that's the time i pepper sprayed myself i would love to be just like a bystander watching this happen i know just like watching some girl pepper spray yourself in the face while she's drunk just like you're just like drunk like I'm gonna protect myself on the bus it's it's at night and getting on the bus it's never safe on the bus I need to figure out how to use this oh my god you're so right I didn't think about how it must have looked to other people you just spray yourself you're like oh god so and then it got underneath my fingernails and then so every time i had an itch for the next like 24 hours

i would scratch it and then the pepper spray would go into the scratch it was worse that shit is lethal so good arm yourself because it works so now you know if like someone's attacking you scratch the fuck out of them spray them and then spray them so their scratches hurt yeah anyway okay so we have a few things to talk about um i had sent amelia this tweet um of like this annoying ass couple and um it was like then amelia was like wait they're step siblings and then i was like what the fuck so i don't know i like what do you think about that because they're not technically related i know you know i actually think about this often because every year um porn hub releases like the most searched terms in each state and step siblings

is number one in like 30 of the states are they in the south no washington's one of them oh no yeah yeah i mean there are a lot of like really gross like rednecks in the rural area that's so true but it's like i think that the like taboo part of it is like attractive to people because it's not incest technically it's like oh but they know that they shouldn't be doing this you know there's that aspect of it so i was actually thinking about this before you sent me that video and like somebody commented it was like he's actually sent me the comments with like the well because someone was like i mean i don't really understand why this is bad because they're not technically related but i so i was thinking about that too and then i was like okay but if

they grew up together yeah that's where it's weird because it's almost like kind of groomy it's like they're being groomed to only be with that person yeah and i think that's creepy and then it's also like if you so let's say like you know your parents meet like later in life and uh get married and then like you guys become step siblings as adults and then you like end up falling in love yeah like i think that's a little different but then also the mess of like you won't ever be able to not have them in your life now and that also is kind of like a creepy aspect to me like you can't like break up and have like a normal breakup where you move on because this person will always be in your life and then like depending on if one of one of them

is like a toxic person like you are never going to escape them yeah like so true I don't know yeah there's levels to it I definitely think if you grew up together like there's no way for your brain really to distinguish if that's your like blood sibling or not you know so that's weird because I'll have I have guy friends that are like brothers to me and the idea of ever hooking up with them even though they're very attractive men I'm just like like no exactly so there's that but like did you see Clueless uh-huh so it's like Paul Rudd's character and um Alicia Silverstone is that her name how like their parents got divorced so they used to be step siblings and then they fell in love and like even watching that I was still kind of like as a kid I was like

that's a little that's a little weird yeah your family at one point but really thinking about it like i like forgot that was even a plot in the show i'm like anytime i or in the movie anytime i think about clueless i'm just like the iconic outfits and yeah that scene where like share is driving on the freeway and um also like r.i.p britney murphy so whenever i would think about clueless that's the plot i think about and how paul rudd looks exactly the same now he has not aged he literally hasn't i hope that i become blessed with the same genetics as paul rudd like whatever is going on there i would like it to happen to me he had to have sold his soul to the devil like he had to have he's he's too he's too kind and likable there's no way there's

something going on there some sort of witchcraft i mean he does like he is an actor so i mean i wouldn't be surprised if maybe he like started doing botox really young maybe and and fillers or maybe he's just like always been using retinol who knows who knows anyways wait the step sibling thing oh yeah okay well this like string of comments is so funny and so it's like to make it worse they're step siblings and then and then this comment is like what's wrong with dating your step sibling it's not like they're actually related you don't have the same mom or dad so like what's wrong with it and i'm just asking so don't go off on me and just respectfully answer my question and i mean that's fair because on twitter it's like you people can't interpret if

you're like serious you are seriously like curious yeah and then so the the top comment under that is like it's just weird because there's billions of people out there and you chose to date your step sibling it's weirder if you grew up together because you have a developed sibling bond do you see where i'm coming from and then this the guy says okay i agree if they grew up together from kids to now then that's weird but if they became step siblings in like high school but instead of seeing each other as new siblings they was attracted to each other from the start is that still weird and then the top comment onto under that is nah bruh this is a little bit specific i don't like where this is going and then it has a picture of like a cartoon guy holding a cup and

like doing that like pouty lip face it's like it's so true that is very very specific that's so funny what if so if you were dating somebody and then like your mom met their dad like because you guys are dating and then the mom and the dad got married like what would you think about that would you be uncomfortable with like the oh man i don't know how i'd feel i'd be like oh um i don't i think i would be fine with it because it's just like i i don't know let's say like my parents were divorced and that happened like i would just want my parents to be happy and um i mean the thing that would make it kind of like shitty is like if me and that person broke up yeah and then you're like stuck for life you're gonna have to see them

forever is that and then like there's so many different things that like are unpredictable you know yeah like like that could be the same circumstance for someone else but if like you know the the children that are dating are not very mature it could turn into a huge scene uh-huh that's true that's very true it's just like again like you're not gonna be able to have a normal breakup no but damn yeah i don't know i had never like thought this hard about it me either it's like there's so there's so many like caveats to it but yeah that these this couple like step sibling porn is so weird to me i'm like why is that like if i ever watched step sibling porn it's because both of the people look hot and it has nothing to do with the premise

as we know uh-huh uh-huh because you watch it yeah i skipped the disposition i don't need to know what's going on okay yeah let's get to the fun stuff it's really the taboo aspect of it like the this shouldn't be happening that's the same i understand that porn too is such a thing i wonder how many people like want to fuck their stepmom that's so weird yeah i wonder how much that translates to real life or if it's just that they know that they shouldn't be doing it you know i'm sure it's a little bit of both it's so interesting so interesting i wonder if porn hub's released like a 2000 oh shit a 2019 most searched porn categories in each state let's see yeah complex oh this is also fuck porn hub so yes for real fuck porn hub but they have they

have the numbers so this is what we read oh okay so interesting this is actually a good segue way in 2017 i can't say it and i sound so white hentai hentai i don't know anime porn was the most searched term in washington oregon california nevada and i don't know what state that is underneath it um wait let me look that's arizona okay i'm so bad with geography i like that cream pie is like number one in utah there's a don't come challenge i think what state is that above it's like one state just between a bunch of other the do not come challenge that is north dakota how do you how do you know all of these my parents are from the midwest oh wait here's how to pronounce hentai hentai hentai hentai yeah so um liz sent me this convert or this story that

was it reddit yeah it's on reddit initially but i found it on twitter of that you can just read it i won't even try to sum it up it's from the relationships on reddit and it's my boyfriend to one my boyfriend male 20 thinks i'm gaslighting him because nothing comes out of my boobs when i'm horny and this is a long one folks so buckle up but it's good from start it's a good one yeah honestly my life is a fucking mess i love that she just like comes out the gate like i'm just gonna say i already know like i know my life's so fucking honestly my life is a fucking mess my boyfriend is a bit of a loner but it's never really been a problem before we both love video games and to him i'm quite the catch because it's not often that you find a pretty girl who likes

games that part's in quotes now that statement can be taken a lot of different ways but it looks like a compliment to me so yeah girl you know i don't know much about games i know the community is sexist anyways um most of his life experiences come from the internet which is fine i guess but he doesn't really have about have that balance since we started dating i've been dragging him around with me and taking him to try new things we've had a couple obstacles period of time where he spent literally no attention to me and just played video games that ended in march thank god and convincing him that smelling nice isn't just a capitalist scheme so i 19 female was ready to lose my virginity to this guy i really love him and overall he's an amazing guy he was also a

virgin so we were comfortable to just mess around the next day he's all standoffish and pissed at me i asked why and he asked me if i was just pretending to be into it last night i say no i was wet you saw that i love you etc and this god i'm so fucking pissed about this he says you're lying if you were actually horny milk would come out of your boobs i just can't fucking express how goddamn infuriating awful angry i don't know just that seriously like he'd never really been in reality or whatever but dude for fuck's sake i'm in i'm in a stunned silence and he's like guess it's true if you have nothing to say i thought you weren't like other women but you're all the same i thought you loved me uh blah blah and i don't know it's like i have the man i

love and then i have this bumbling idiot who i also have to deal with and it's just shitty that description cracks me up because like how many times have you felt like that you're like god i love this guy but sometimes it's just a fucking dip shit yeah anyways yeah it's tough cognitive dissonance evidently he's only experienced sex from porn never never thought it out of the ordinary because he'd never talked to girls and only has brothers additionally people he used to role play with would do it too so he took it as fact there's so many typos in this he's trying to crazy i know i don't know how you're doing so well reading it i tried so hard to explain but it was like talking to a brick wall he claimed that i was gaslighting him that i'm an abusive girl

friend i'm gonna cheat on him and that and he was upset he truly believed that i was this evil fucking bitch we haven't talked we've both been crying his friends are all yes men i think they may have convinced him that this stupid thing was a fact they didn't like me so it's not that hard to believe i was that bigoted outsider in their eyes who was flexing on them by going for walks and joining clubs i guess christ he always seemed to brush off their remarks though i'm stuck this is just so stupid so ridiculous i don't want my first relationship to end because my boyfriend was surprised that i'm not one of his hentai girls i love every part of him because besides his obliviousness and seeing him look me in the eye like i've stabbed him say that i'm a dirty

cheater because of his stupid porn addiction just hurts i'm pissed and upset and angry and i hate that i'm that i'm hating him right now it's just stupid a stupid fucking idea like why the fuck would i lactate during sex i i want the boyfriend i love back and dumping him because liquid didn't dribble out of my boobs is just embarrassing uh the final update that she has is she so this guy blocks her on everything and then she like hooks up with her best girlfriend and i was like fucking stoked for her and that was the first time she had ever hooked up with a girl yeah i mean it sounds like she's having a lot of firsts right now uh-huh good for her yeah i mean to go from like a dumb ass man who doesn't understand anything about a woman's body to hooking up

with a woman like i'm so happy for her yeah hell yeah i hope she's doing well yeah me too so after liz sent me this story i was like does that actually like a staple in hentai porn and so i watched yeah i haven't seen any hentai porn i watched a few and it is indeed a staple of a good amount of them it turns out and i don't know why because it's like is that hot like why wouldn't this man just like google like do women lactate when they orgasm he just sounds entirely clueless well and then also everything off to assume that like a woman is going to have an orgasm during sex is also not realistic that's the thing even if he hadn't had seen that that's what happens like or he didn't have this idea in his mind that this is what happens if she hadn't

had come he probably would have had the same experience the same reaction to it you know like you clearly aren't having a good time or like you lied or something and it's also your first time having sex dude yeah it's not gonna it's not gonna i would be that is gonna be the only time this guy has sex oh yeah for a long time uh-huh imagine when he finds out that that's not actually what happens he's gonna feel so stupid i don't know if he will want to believe anything else uh-huh that'll just be like jerking off to hentai porn forever i don't and then like eventually just become like one of those incels of just like all women are the same i don't know yeah it's i mean if he's already a part of the gaming community he's probably already a sexist piece of shit

but i actually think that this whole story of him having this idea of what sex is like from this specific kind of porn is part of a much bigger issue of like men and women too that that get their education their sexual education from porn have an idea in their mind of what sex is supposed to be like um where like porn is not a good indication of what sex is like at all not at no like we were talking about this last night like a lot of the things I don't like about porn are like I just don't like how unrealistic a lot of it is uh-huh that's not appealing to me no and I I don't know like I go through phases of watching porn like I'll go like a long time without watching it at all but if I feel like I'm out of anything creative then I'll like go back

and like watch porn for a couple weeks but yeah I I don't know like I'd rather just like tap into like my memory or my imagination oh my god yes and yeah so that's what i'll do masturbating to an idea of something like a fantasy memory that you have or a memory is so much better so much better than like watching this like woman get like brutalized on on porn that's the thing i just like make all these fake sounds and like watch this watch them have a fake orgasm just like a lot of porn is we talked about this i think a few times i don't know if it's ever made it on but like porn that's directed by women is so different than porn that is clearly made for straight men yeah because like i don't know sometimes i'll be i've dated a few guys that have told me that they watch

like the female friendly category on porn a lot more frequently because like it's probably more like relatable yeah and like realistic and like more like passionate like I really love and I don't know I feel like I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna go online I'm gonna see that he's just like a problematic character but James Dean the porn star like I love his videos because like he always like makes really intense eye contact with women and like that was really attractive to me and I was like so does owen gray owen gray yes we did talk about this i i can't remember if i put it in i don't think you did yeah owen gray he yeah is just like i went to owen gray i was curious about him so i like went to his website and he has like an faq where he just answers questions and he's

just like yeah i am married and like his wife is um works she's also a sex worker like i don't know I can't I don't know if she's a porn star or if maybe she is like I don't know a high or a sugar baby or something who knows um but she was the one who was like I think you should do porn and then he started doing porn and then he was like he gets he like gets tested every two weeks um and like they use protection if like the girl wants to and I don't know everything's real yeah and respectful yeah that's what i think that's what's so hot about like watching owen gray is because he's so like committed to like making her come and you're just like yeah what a king yeah and he's just like kind of aggressive about it men should be watching that

and be watching owen gray yeah he looks like the guy from the guy who plays it the actor have you seen castle rock it's that actor he's kind of hot i think the actor is hotter than owen gray though i'm gonna look i'm gonna see bill skarsgård yeah you're so right yeah like the tall skinny yeah yeah bill skarsgård is definitely a hotter oh okay yeah he's so cute um yeah uh james dean's partner is also a porn star and they'll make like home videos sometimes love that so sexy yeah it's just different when he has sex with her because he loves her you know and even though like he makes that connection with everyone that he does a scene with it's so different watching them together i don't know i just like the connection

is such an important thing for me in porn i don't think i realized that until recently especially because the porn industry is so problematic yes that if I can genuinely feel like the the woman wants to be there and is enjoying herself it it's just so much more enjoyable to watch okay so we have a little bit of an update um real quick so I had to do some research I was like is it possible like possible to lactate when you orgasm because I'm like I wouldn't be surprised if like that's something i don't know about like yeah if you're pregnant or like post-pregnancy um and like a very small percentage percentage of people in general like men and women can lactate during sex and there aren't any specifics like if it like it's not like when you orgasm it's just like the story

i was reading like this woman lactates during sex when the sex is really good and unemotional wow wait did it say did it specify if it was cis men does it say it it doesn't it just says people i didn't know that met like general men could lactate i think they can if you like squeeze hard enough wow i have heard that but i don't really know i don't know a whole lot about lactation me neither it's like i haven't looked into it wow yeah so i don't want i like i didn't want to like if by some chance someone's listening and like they happen to lactate during sex but I think the problem was is just like the assumption that you that all women yeah yeah lactate and then to break up with her over it too I know was the issue it's like to make it so like you were lying

to me and to somehow connect that to being like you're cheating on me is crazy uh-huh yeah I don't know i know i know yeah some people are just a little i also think if you have a porn addiction um and that's the only thing that you're basing your sexual knowledge off of like cheating is such a big trend in porn too that i'm sure that that was a thing for him too oh my god like oh you're lactating for someone it's just it's so yeah you're you used to pour your milk on somebody else it's so fucking it's just ridiculous who is he a baby i don't know about i will say like in this um hentai porn that he clearly is getting his education off of when women orgasm and milk comes out of their tits like it like shoots across the room kind of like force it's not just like a

little bit you know so he was for sure expecting it to be this big like fountains at the bellagio moment fountains oh my god he's not it doesn't happen i mean if you do that and you're listening i have a lot of questions yeah please please yeah let us know it's just you know we're not experts here no and we're also not judging you for lactating what we just never heard of that before yeah and also not every woman does it men that are listening that have a hentai porn education i also want to know like what the appeal is yeah like what is the sexual appeal of that i don't know i think that there must be i will i say this every single fucking episode and i noticed this about myself but there has to be a biological component of thinking that it's hot

when a woman lactates that's the exact reason why i don't think it's hot is because it's like yeah you are lactating for a child yeah or like that is well and then like that's also like the purpose of of breasts yeah is to sustain life yeah yeah so the topic that we wanted to get into i'll let amelia take it away because i don't really know where i stand yeah so still I've been thinking a lot about the difference between fucking and making love and where that line is if you can be doing both at the same time or like the clear definitions for both of those because it's sometimes when I'm having sex I'll just say like I'll say fuck me and like seeing how guys react differently to that is interesting like sometimes they'll like

just keep it like the rhythm that they're at and some guys will just like go like full bunny rabbit sex when I say that and I'm like I was thinking I'm like I think this has different definitions for people fucking so I wanted to know like what like do you define them differently or like do you have them in different categories in your mind um I don't really know like I want you to answer it first okay you know yeah like like what is the difference what define what defines the difference to you yeah um so for me making love is like the slow like intimate like eye contact sex and then fucking is like the quick like we are getting a job done sex but like as I've been exploring my sexuality more I'm realizing that there is a very blurred line between the two

because sometimes I will be like fucking someone how I define fucking and I still feel extremely connected to them and I think that that's always been the case too I've it's always been able to be like one in the same but I hadn't really thought about it until recently so and then like when guys will act a different way from another guy when I say like fuck me like in terms of speed and strength at which they are penetrating it's it was interesting because I was like what is fucking to people like what like what is that or like is making love does making love always have to be like a deep connection with someone or can it just be what slow sex is it's I it's so I thought it was always like you feel like you have to like be in love with them

to like make love no definitely not I thought that I thought you had to for a while like you had to at least have like an emotional connection to them but i don't think that i don't think you do i think that that's just like the title that people have put on like passionate sex yeah but then fucking can also be passionate so this is what i mean it's like i feel like people are like oh were you fucking or were you making love and like i get that question why not both baby i think that it can be both but i'm interested to hear like how other people define those two things that is such a good question so because i was thinking about this so i knew we knew that this is what we were going to talk about we decided last night and like it made me think

about it because like i don't know like i've had so many so much like different kinds of sex if that makes sense and like how would i define it with each partner and i mean i initially i would have agreed with you like um like making love is like passionate intimate sex but like the older I get and the more experiences I have I I feel like um it can be both I totally think it can be both yeah and I think it just depends on like your connection with that person honestly and like I think that um you know if you are like very connected with that person and like um you have great communication with them like both in and outside of sex then uh i think like you'll be able to pick up on each other's energy a little bit better and then that kind of like

drives where it's going with like if you're fucking or if like it's both or what so so if you don't have an emotional connection with somebody and you're just like there for like one thing but it's like slow and passionate you wouldn't consider it making love what would you call it uh we're so big on titles so it's like there might not be a name for it but like I'm just curious like how what what the line is I just think that like if that was someone that I was like hooking up with for the first time and that's how it went I don't know how I'd feel about it mm or i don't know i can't i can't really say and i might take this out and we're filming right now um because just because the sex i'm having now i don't feel

like it's like it's like it's not like slow or anything necessarily considering like how how many different kinds of sex there is and like what kind of sex you're having like there isn't like a clear-cut definition no there isn't but it was so it's interesting because I always referred to sex as one or the other like there was always we were either making love or we were fucking and it's easy to bucket things like that it's just like easier to talk about it like that but it's not so easy like there are so many different aspects that contribute to sex being what it is well and did you think that way when you were like just in a monogamous relationship yeah you're like right now we're fucking or like right now we're making love yeah and I think as you're in a

monogamous relationship maybe it becomes more clear if you're with them because you probably yeah can pick up their energy a little bit better it's like we're fucking but then if you have if you have like multiple partners or you're like not in a relationship with them then it's like harder to define I guess yeah but maybe that's part of the fun maybe it yeah I mean like trying to learn how you feel about different styles is interesting i've just been thinking so much about it like well and now that i think about it too it's like i was talking to one of my friends who like um i feel like he has a lot of sex and i was like well so what makes sex good to you if like you know you're having a lot of sex with like a lot of people like what makes it good then

uh like what gets you invested and he's like honestly most of the time i'm just fucking wow so in that circumstance i'm like okay well what does that mean because like that obviously isn't important to him so i think it depends on the person like in that circumstance i think it's probably just like he would describe like what you were doing as just fucking yeah you're just fucking yeah yeah so it is different from person to person fuck whereas i would just be like yeah that's just some boring ass sex and if it's boring i like if it's boring sex it doesn't even have to be bad have you noticed that yeah i like um dated that i forget that i dated this guy and it's because he's just like such a he's like a normal dude we definitely should not have been together

like our relationship was just like uh like a friendship and sometimes we had sex and kissed and like that's about it yeah but yeah i forget i dated him but like the sex wasn't bad it was just like the same all the time like boring yeah but it wasn't bad yeah so that's that's the thing the first few times we had sex i was like fuck yeah this is really good but then when it's the same every time it's like it's like eating the same thing every day for every meal yeah yeah that's interesting yeah yeah actually i mean i've noticed that in people when i've been dating someone for a long time it's always like the same like we start making out on the couch and then we move to his bed and the sex is good but it's just like the same positions every time and they're

like yeah it's like a choreographed dance and it's like this was good but like can we like move this to the like the kitchen like we do like some sort of spicing it up but it doesn't make a bad sex it's just boring but then that bears the question like some people probably think boring sex is bad it's just so specific from person to person like how they how they define it well and then in that circumstance also it's like i don't think he thought sex was boring but i got pretty bored based off of my more recent experiences i would say that like i think that like making love and like passionate sex can also be fucking i think that you can do both for sure yeah i think so too i think yeah it boils down to your connection with them and um like having good communication

yeah yeah truly it boils down to like how you feel about them i know i was just trying to think about like what three pillars i would consider like making love like i was trying to like put it into like this is what has to happen for me to consider making love and maybe it would be like rings yeah like venn diagrams yeah like a venn diagram yeah of like three rings or maybe two yeah it would have to be two rings if we're comparing love making love and fucking and then like the middle the middle would be just like vast i think i don't know the middle is just the fifth dimension oh my god i had the fifth dimension is lactating when you or fucking and making love

it just like causes a black hole yeah guys a black hole results when you're fucking and making love and like the holy trinity the holy trinity of sex is fucking making love and lactating collapse the star the sun would collapse and we would enter the fifth dimension so oh yeah would you fuck your clone that's a really great question so i've never hooked up with a woman but that would be different i guess not that i'm against hooking up with women like i just haven't so i don't know what i would be like if like i had the opportunity in front of me i don't know would i fuck my clone

probably not why i think that i would feel it's like kind of like a sibling thing like i i would feel too connected like there would be too there would be too much it's just like too many like ties so like let's say it's like your cologne but like you don't live the same life it's just like a girl who looks exactly like you and has the same personality yeah yeah let's say that no i don't think so i love myself i'll probably marry myself but like marry fuck kill me me and me i really don't i really don't know now this is gonna be like a thing for me now that i'm gonna be like would i fuck my clone i don't think that i would because i think that i'm attractive like

yeah i can't remember who i talked if i talked to you about this like if you like are turned on by your own um like nudes oh yeah yeah sometimes I'll be like in the middle of like a sexy like selfie photo shoot and I'll be like I don't know like really feel myself but that's also so specific to self-love for me like it's not like uh I would fuck me it's like oh it's just like I'm fucking hot like I love myself like I'm into it like yeah I feel like Megan Thee Stallion yeah exactly what what about you like um i so for me like i don't like i don't think i would fuck myself but it's not because i don't think like it's not because i'm i don't think i'm cute like i am really confident and happy with the way that i look um i would not fuck me because like

i am not my type uh-huh interesting when it comes to girls like my type is like it's definitely like an energy like the women i'm attracted to need to have a more dominant energy but then also like um a specific look like tiktok lesbians that post thirst traps oh my god yeah like like pretty like mask yeah yeah definitely like more masculine women oh it's so true but it's definitely more of like an energy thing for me like um and i that's why i just don't think that like i would fuck my clone yeah i'm not my type i guess the quote like how i would probably look at this differently would be like if i if i saw somebody that looked a lot like me and had a very similar personality to me because like the idea of it being a clone is like that's basically me you know so i don't

know like if i met somebody i don't know what like my type would be with women like sometimes i get a little confused if I'm like okay do I think that this girl is hot because I want to fuck her or do I think she's hot because like I look similar to her uh-huh does that make sense yeah because there's definitely like like women that I'm like oh my god she's so beautiful like and I'm really into this but what is it is it because I like think she like I am admiring how beautiful she is or is it because I want to fuck her yeah yeah that's a really good that's a really good point i mean now that you've brought up like tiktok lesbians i'll see some videos of like tiktok lesbians like really like playing it up for the camera and i'll watch it like 50 times i'm like

yeah and i don't know what that is i don't my type is like tiktok lesbians and like men who are nail polish uh-huh uh-huh yeah i i i'm i've noticed this um like i'm really into like androgynous people and like that's not me i'm very feminine that makes sense yeah and i'm like i think androgynous people are so fucking hot whether or not it's just like not like they they don't necessarily need to look androgynous but just like um women who are more masculine is really fucking hot to me and like men who are like embrace their like feminine side are also really fucking hot yeah that's interesting yeah so yeah yeah the second i met my boyfriend and saw he was wearing nail polish i was like i need you to be mine i'm going to eat you alive

you don't know it yet yeah i've been thinking i mean like one of our friends said it's 2020 if you're not a little bi or homophobic which is my favorite were you on that call yes yeah it's so true i think about that earlier this morning quote ever because it's like if you're not a little buyer homophobic you just need to own up to the fact like it doesn't matter uh what your sexual identity is like if you see someone who's attractive or you're attracted to them that doesn't like mean that you want to fuck them yeah and it's also not something you need to be afraid of i remember when we were kids i don't know if this is your experience but like whenever like like i would think a woman was pretty i would feel like i would have to caveat it and like

i don't know if that's just like a thing that kids feel like they have to do but now i'm like she's fucking hot like it's just like i feel like the the air is different at least in our liberal bubble in washington i think we're really lucky that we're able to like oh my god yeah talk like that but um yeah like i think it's it's tough for me because i think women are fucking like so like women are just incredible to me you know but like i've never dated a woman i've never thought about dating a woman so it's like it's okay to like think somebody is attractive and not want to be with them and that's kind of the new that's like the if you're not a little bi or and that's I think that also yeah like the idea around like masculinity is just like some guys

are comfortable enough with their sexuality to just be like yeah that dude's hot yeah like you know when someone's attractive yeah just like be comfortable enough with yourself and your sexuality that like if you're like yeah that guy's hot like I get it and that doesn't mean anything yeah about you it's like the whole no homo culture is yeah shut the fuck up about it i think that's probably still big in the south though where it's like you know really not okay i don't know if you've seen letter kenny but there's like a character who's like yeah i'm not gay but it's okay if you're gay but i'm not like that and then like that's totally like my dad is just like i don't care if you're gay but i'm not gay and you're like yeah that's fine yeah right that doesn't mean

you can't look at brad pitt and be like yeah he's aged really well and he's always been hot uh-huh that doesn't make you gay uh-huh yeah just like no it doesn't need to be a whole thing the no homo is just a stupid phrase it really is no homo like shut the fuck up shut up do people still say that yes why i don't know i do not know but again we're in i would like a little homo okay yeah a little homo it's a treat i'm gonna start saying she's hot little homo yeah yes we're gonna bring that into existence we're gonna she's hot little homo me and liz are trying to we're trying to think of what to celebrate because it feels like we need to have like a whole thing to celebrate like it needs to be a

big deal or something yeah but the point of this is to celebrate all kinds of stuff yeah so I mean like I guess like so between recording I just stepped out to talk to my psychiatrist that I fucking hate but I was thinking like how grateful I am to have the privilege of mental health care like I complain about him all the time because he's actually awful but like the fact that I am able like I have the means to be able to take care of my mental health is pretty dope health insurance especially all things considered of like what's going on perfect time for me to cough uh yeah all things considered of like what's going on yeah with the state of the world right particularly america uh-huh um i will i'm gonna go with my original which is yes um this morning

i went to yoga and usually i do like pilates so occasionally i'll do yoga and today i was able to like accomplish a pose that was kind of hard but it's the one where you like have your arms on your palms on the ground and your elbows are bent and you have your knees but you put your knees on your elbows and then you are you're balancing on your palms it's called it takes a lot of core strength so i was just really stoked to like be able to hold that pose for even just like five seconds it's called crow pose crow pose i did crow pose and i'm stoked it takes a lot of strength i can't do that i remember when i like couldn't even do chaturanga wow i know so it's like now i can do like a full vinyasa and like go into crow pose and this might just be gibberish to some of some

people listening but don't do yoga yeah well so chaturanga is just kind of like a hovering um push-up essentially and I mean the days I couldn't do chaturanga was like when I was in college and I had zero upper body strength but now it's like super easy for me to do like go into chaturanga and do like a vinyasa flow or whatever so it's very exciting yeah I'm stoked about it that's a good thing to celebrate yeah last week I couldn't do crow pose so then this week like I like was able to find my center and like do crow pose I really need to start yoga again yoga is one of those things that while I'm doing it I'm like I fucking hate this like I can't get into it zen but it's usually because I'm doing things like vinyasa where it's like intense yoga

yeah vinyasa is like so quick paced I feel like it is it's more fun yeah because I don't like slow yoga either like I need my workouts to be really rewarding uh-huh and for for me that means like i want to be in pain i want to be angry i hate everything yeah i was gonna say i usually hate yoga while i'm doing it and then afterward i'm like wow i feel so fucking good and so i need to just like do it but there's like yin i think is just like stretching yoga and like that's now i need to check because i don't want to misspeak but um that's the kind of yoga that i like stretching yoga slow paced style of yoga as exercise yeah incorporating principles of traditional chinese medicine that's the kind of yoga that i love give me that vinyasa yoga i want

to do some power flow yoga like i want to it needs to be faster than like it's slower than pilates but it's faster than regular yoga i love that it's a good thing to celebrate yeah i accomplished crow pose and i'm stoked about it yes well cool yeah we did it yeah we're so concerned about what we were going yeah we're like meh fuck it but once again please tell us your the things you're celebrating we had a few people tell us what they're celebrating we love hearing it yeah and uh you can let us know either at our email address which is holy hour podcast at gmail.com or either of our handles like dm us on instagram or twitter at the holy hour love it yeah thanks for listening yeah we love you so much we love you our children i don't know why i can't make

eye contact with you while we're doing this i'm always looking around it's just i i i didn't realize i was staring at you while i was to be honest looking deep into my soul all right well okay we'll sing goodbye Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.