The Hoely Hour - E145 A Sexy Alien

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

Shock of the century: we’re all over the place this week. We discuss the ethics of deep fake porn, the Colleen Ballinger saga, milk ducts, the concept of time, and sexy aliens. Amelia has a theory about our planet, and Liz just looks at the scientific method differently. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

you know what i don't think this is tmi just based on everything that we've shared on this podcast like i've told a story about a butt plug going into my asshole like the titanic so um i'm on my period this week and my period is always better than pms but it does also throw off my brain a little bit it takes it out of you yeah like oh i'm a little frazzled the eggs out of you am i right hey zing don't laugh at that isn't that ovulation it is but if your period is shutting the lining yeah they're like i guess it's all kind of part of the same family no one's in here i better rip down on the wallpaper i put it just gets so mad that no one moved in that you just like tear the place apart fuck that's like such a metaphor for my love life up until recently welcome to the

holy hour a podcast about sex relationships mental health and everything in between i'm amelia samson and i'm liz ball follow us on instagram and tiktok at the holy hour i'm on instagram and tiktok at amelia samson and i'm on instagram and tiktok at liz ball so hard you can also watch us on youtube or listen ad free on patreon at patreon.com slash the holy hour check out our merch at the holy hour.com and email us your spicy stories at holy hour podcast at gmail.com where do i even fucking begin when i was looking through uh for topics for the day i came across an interesting article but i reached my limit on um medium no wired oh i hate how they limit i know you're reading and like from once in one sense i like they're trying to fund journalism

because like nobody's fucking paying for it anymore yeah on the other hand like make an exception for me because I'm special you know the rules shouldn't apply to me I'm a perfect princess that's what I've always been saying right so I just don't really understand why Wired hasn't gotten that memo yet but I came across an article that was talking about like the moral dilemma that arises from like fantasizing about someone like a celebrity and then watching deep fake porn of them and where that gray area is when you're already fantasizing it versus seeing their face like transposed on somebody and I mean I don't know what the article was because again I could only see the headline but I just like thought that that was an interesting like distinction

to make because obviously one of them is worse than the other yeah but some people might not understand the difference between the two of them I mean I think that I think that is the thing that people are not completely understanding they're like well it's not real so what's the problem and it's because it's still exploitative yeah like they they didn't consent to being naked on the internet nor being in this specific scene because they weren't in it you know what i mean so it's like to put a picture of them on the internet that very well could be them and could be construed as them by like family and friends and people in their lives seeing this shit just like coming across this shit is like very um like traumatized it's very violating yes it that's i

think violating is the perfect word for it there was a um twitch streamer who got exposed for having like a tab open where he was looking at deep fake porn of another twitch streamer and she was very obviously upset about that and I think some people had a hard time understanding it's like well it's not you it's like but it is though it is me yeah it's her face and she didn't consent to this yeah that's that's the thing like if someone's taking your face and like pretending to be you you could even say the same thing about like someone catfishing with your stuff yeah it's not you you didn't consent to them using that to like hurt other people or exploit other people and in this instance it's someone else exploiting you and hurting you right and it i think i think

it kind of falls into the same category as like revenge porn totally it's very similar to that yes yeah it was made to objectify a person and the intent is to hurt them right and if you think the intent is to just get off you're missing it you're missing the point yeah and I've seen a lot of uh different conversations happening on the internet recently about porn addiction and how porn addiction has led to kind of like a lot of violence against women because it does i mean a lot of porn is not uh ethical yeah as we've talked about yeah right it's not ethical and it's not necessarily um the ones that are i guess like ethical in how they're created aren't really very like they don't paint women as like willing participants in the scene or like you know

like they're like being pushed around they're being treated like objects because like that is that's a kink for some people like they like the objectifying is like and that's one thing but the other piece of it is like there are some people some men that don't have they aren't able to like distinguish between like oh this is a kink versus like oh i'm just gonna like brutalize women you know what i mean like yeah that's kind of like army hammer yeah i i was listening to sounds like a cult and they like go into detail about the entire hammer family and how it's been generations of like sexually abusing women and then being like this is a kink but it's like not yeah it's that army hammer stuff was scary you should listen to that episode because it's like bananas okay

insane i i i mean i didn't really know that much about it but i was just like the more i heard i was just like oh my god but i was gonna say about deep fake porn if you're consuming women and sex in this capacity so consistently you're not going to develop as healthy of a relationship like you i don't know you need to be right internally i think to like safely consume porn yeah yeah you know what i mean or yeah totally at least just like understanding what it is that you're consuming yes yeah because i mean it's the same kind of thing with like watching like you know a violent movie like you have to be in the right mind to understand like this is not something that like you should go out and do and so much of it is like really manufactured

um the thing i think that porn like robs us of especially young people um is just that kind of like period I was I was comparing it to like the first boyfriend I had that I did anything kind of sexual with like we didn't know what we were doing right and we were figuring it out together and we were learning about each other yeah and learning what the other person likes you know and I think that is like really removed when people are consuming porn so often you're not invested in the other person's pleasure but you're also not invested in like creating that bond with them this is like the ultimate form of intimacy and trust with another person and it's fun it's it's like so much fun when you care about the other person and their likes and interests yeah and

when you take that away sexually you're also just like removing this uh really like enjoyable way of connecting with another person yeah totally yeah and i've like i've talked to a lot of my male friends about it was a while ago so this was a very like kind of like juvenile way of like thinking about sex and talking about sex but they would say things along the lines of like they would like be hooking up with someone and like she would make it like really porny and that's like not hot you know but it's like so many people are using that as like a way to educate themselves on what sex is supposed to be like so they're supposed to be like oh my god like so loud and like it's like could you just fucking stop you know because like when you're it's like

i've said this before it's like watching theater like yeah they have to be overacting because it's like this is like theater you know it's the same thing with porn and like i feel like some people that have like a porn education expect sex to be like porn and if it's not like porn then something's wrong yeah the the ability to differentiate the two is like real important you know yeah i wonder what a way to like resolve that issue would be um i mean porn addiction specifically like if that's how you are viewing and consuming like sex and um kind of consuming women as objects in like whatever capacity you can think of like this is what i want right now and then you can just find it yeah like what would be a way to undo that to undo a porn addiction and start creating

a healthy relationship with sex and this i mean this is like a rhetorical question i'm just like wondering how you would go about that stopping yeah maybe watching like if you are like if you do have a porn addiction and like you're trying to restore a healthy relationship with sex and maybe do it in like two parts maybe starting with like like very realistic porn like i've watched some porn in the past that's been like just like a couple like having sex in like a well-lit room and there's like nothing really like going on they're just like having sex something vanilla yeah exactly just like kind of like just like going back into the like doing kind of like a little bit of like pull yourself away from stopping cold turkey you would think

i think like knowing that it's just like causing problems in your sex life or whatever in your relationships yeah like being aware that something is not serving you like smoking cigarettes like it's not serving you so right if you just stop um yeah but i was thinking yeah stopping cold turkey would be like an easier way just because it would force you to reconnect with your own desires and in your own be in your own body like you're forced to be present because i think part of the appeal of porn is probably like the numbness yeah along with it yeah i guess it depends on the person like i i do think too like with cigarettes it's like using that example like going from like smoking a pack a day to smoking like two cigarettes a day to smoking like one cigarette a day like

there's ways to taper off patch of yeah the Nicorette patch of porn is maybe like tumblr after dark porn you know it could be like I mean there's probably like a lot of different options yeah good moving on to gifts yeah just like a repeat or like literatica just kept pulling yourself away yeah ooh listening to like audio erotica yeah audio erotica and then going into literatica if you go on literatica.com there's like like literary tales that people tell in multiple parts that's i used to read literatica when i was like like going through puberty and was like on vacation with my family and was convinced that like they would be able to see what sites i was on through like the wi-fi password in the hotel you know what i mean

shit like that so i'd be like i'm just gonna just to be safe i'm gonna read literatica because like i could just say it was like i don't know like a book it was like yeah ignore that it says erotica it wasn't me yeah it was my cousin yeah that wasn't me that was Patricia Frank offered to make me pancakes when I got to his house and I burst into tears it's just like so I got stuck in traffic for an hour which was like an hour that I did not have to spend today yeah and it's infuriating yeah anyway when you lose time to traffic yeah it's like I don't have time I don't even have time for the 30 minutes it normally takes for me to get here I saw someone um say like a way that you can try and because it's so easy to be so mad in traffic and so frustrated

I saw someone say like to when you are stuck in traffic and there's nothing you can do to just start thinking of that time of time that you have to yourself and like with your own thoughts and not being interrupted or disturbed and I was like oh that's really nice really nice because I was thinking about when I used to drive to and from Flagstaff in college um I had so much time alone in my thoughts and like I was listening to like all the music I loved and singing really loud and it was time I really valued being alone yeah so I was trying to reframe my mindset of like that's so true this is this is me time I can enjoy my own company absolutely how am I gonna do that you see normally I'm like oh god like nobody can fucking talk to me right now you know

but today it was just like one thing after the other I was like I was on like a time constraint and everything i was doing and it was just like and like the light kept changing and nobody would move and it was just like i hate that seattle traffic is especially frustrating okay i hate nothing more than when i'm like oh my god seattle traffic and then somebody from new york is like you don't know anything about it's like traffic can be bad in multiple places uh or when it's cold here and people are like oh you don't know cold until you go to chicago like both things can be true okay like cold it's all cold shut the fuck up okay if you hate it so much leave things can suck at the same time in different places yeah hopefully the reframing your mindset it's

it's easier said than done to just resign yourself to no but it's like a good writer but it's also it's also helpful to let yourself be like really enraged for a day you're like totally everything's pissing me off and i just want to be mad absolutely crying helped a lot yeah it was just like a little like letting out of the balloon it wasn't even like a it wasn't a cry like i'm so stressed it was just like pancakes i love pancakes and that helped that is such a nice thing to do and i've had such a frustrating day i love you that happened to me yesterday um in my therapy appointment i wasn't even like nothing was in this appointment was upsetting me at all i was just like had a high stressed day and then i had been feeling stressed

about the therapy appointment so so then I like was holding back tears and then I just like finally started crying a little bit and then I was like I'm sorry I just I just had a high stress day and she was like no you don't need to apologize like crying is just a way for you to make yourself feel better like just let yourself cry and I was like thank you I know it is but like I just don't want to be crying I want to be not crying that's so frustrating when you just want to just not be crying you just want to say something like i either like want to not be on this call and just like let myself cry so hard or like i just want to not be crying because right now it's like interrupting my day right yeah isn't that so it's such a sad way to think of like crying you're like

okay i need to plan when i'm crying i need to schedule time to cry because like that's such an adulthood thing because it's just interrupting things yeah i don't have time to be crying right out what the fuck why am i even crying like i know i've had a stressful day but like i guess it was like the first time maybe my body was like okay you can like let this out now totally yeah there are so many what about the hour before this when i wasn't doing anything it's not so annoying whenever i like get into therapy the days where i'm like i don't really know what i have to have everything's great are the days that i cry yes those are like the surprise cry days where your therapist asked you just just the right question you're like i'm not okay everything's fine

yeah i'm talking to our psychiatrist tomorrow oh i talked to her today i was supposed to talk to her today but i didn't ran out of time uh what's next moving along something we haven't talked about and i don't know how much you know about the situation is the colleen ballinger oh my god i recently have like yeah i was reading about this while i was on vacation i'm deep deep in it she so if you don't know know who colleen ballinger is she's like a youtube star and she's like one of the biggest oh she is yeah she's one of the biggest one of the first the last time i watched any of her videos i was like in high school and that's exactly the problem i think i was like in 11th grade this was like over 10 years ago then and she's she had a netflix series

called haters back off she had like a very successful multiple very successful tours she um had like a self-help book from like the perspective of miranda sings which is one of her characters or her only character i guess um she was on like she did an interview with um jerry seinfeld on comedians and cars was she as what did she do as miranda she did it as called uh apparently it's pronounced colleen oh colleen um colon colon okay um she like was on uh colbert she's like a big big deal wow yeah her her like only shtick is this miranda sings and if you guys don't know what miranda sings is it's just like her with like poorly applied red lipstick and then like singing badly it's not funny no and i didn't even think it was funny in high school

no i love it though it's like the there's like a new genre that is like acknowledged on google as cringe comedy yeah so that's basically what it is it's like cringe comedy she's she has admitted apparently to like her friends and fans which we'll get into because that's the crux of the issue that she has pulled a lot of the inspiration for miranda from her um disabled cousin that is fucked up and like she would like enjoy when her cousin would have um outbursts because like it would give her like ideas and content everything i learn about this woman i'm just like you are a horrible person yeah so the drama surrounding her currently is um some of her fans who are now grown adults are realizing that when they were teenagers and she was like 28 how old is she now

like 35 yeah yeah when she was like in her late 20s she was grooming these these kids yeah um and like kind of being emotionally manipulative because she she'd be like i'm having problems in my marriage to these like this group of teenage super fans like my husband's abusive yeah like these are what the fuck are you doing telling a group of teenagers that you do not know about this right she um she would like say she would ask them questions like um what's your favorite position yeah what's your favorite position are you guys still virgins like she would ask like the girls in the group like how old they were when they got their first period and what it was like and like she like took a video of her putting a tampon in her mouth and

like told everyone to like reenact it have you seen that no yeah she was like she like put the so she's like giving her tampon a blowjob or something moving it around with her tongue and she's like i promise i'm not high haha and then told everyone to go and get tampons and reenact it yeah and this is so bizarre yeah she sent one of her fans um his name's adam mcintyre he's kind of like spearheading this whole thing he's like good for him yeah he's 18 now but he was like working for her for free for a while and like she gave him all of his law her logins to her social media and was like having him like manage social media and he was a child so he like fucked up once and like she was accused of gay baiting he's he's gay but he was she was accused of gay

baiting because of this tweet and like it offended a lot of people and that was like the end of their relationship but like you give this child access like like there's no limits to what you're like asking them to do she approved everything but then threw him under the bus when when she needed it anyway so adam my god yeah a child yeah also it doesn't need to be that big of a deal you could be like i'm so sorry i wasn't trying to gay bait i like it is my fault for approving this but also the person who wrote this content is queer yeah um but i i apologize you know i'll be more conscientious it really could have ended there but she sent him lingerie of hers yes i was gonna say didn't she like send someone like her underwear yeah that was adam fucking weird yeah she was

like giving she was doing like a giveaway on her live of like a bunch of clothes that she didn't want and like cory de soto who is one of her like i guess her only friend um he was like wearing the bra and panties and uh they were like doing they were just like giving away a bunch of items of clothing and colleen was like oh adam do you want the bra and panties but then like during her apology unquote about this whole thing the first time she edited the live to make it look like it was adam's idea to get the bra and panties and she was just obliging when in reality she was the one that was like do you want this and then he was a super fan so he's like i want anything from you you know and he showed the bra and panties he like lifted it up in the video he was like she did send

it to me yeah but um anyway there's just like all of this shit that's coming out yeah and then she the weirdest thing that she did in my opinion was like instead of that like her lawyers or whatever and like i'm sure her agent yeah they were like don't fucking talk about this and then she's like they said i couldn't talk about it but they didn't say i couldn't sing about it and then she sings this fucking weird song that is a non-apology she's just like gossip train she's also like i'm just writing it now she's getting money she's she's selling it for 20 on itunes what yeah dude the fuck yeah 20 for this bad song at least when she first posted it i don't know if since the backlash from that she's lowered it but 20 for the song she should disappear yeah totally

but sorry what were you gonna say uh yeah she just said like the only thing she's guilty of is like being weird uh-huh it's like no you were very inappropriate with teenagers yeah and it doesn't like think of if like a teacher no behaving that way totally with a teenager like she is um not acknowledging that she's in a position of control and power over these kids and they look up to her and she's like abusing that right power yeah it's like we see this happening with men all the time totally totally it's it is it's objectively criminal the things that she's been doing which brings me to why I brought this up in the first place because I was thinking about it when we were talking about the deep fake porn have you heard

about Trisha Paytas's whole thing with this her involvement no dude this is the this is the literally the worst part so Adam was tweeting Trisha so Adam is the kid is the kid that's who's now 18 okay that worked for her okay that worked for Colleen yes Colleen okay yeah it's fine sure everyone says Colleen but anyway um Adam so Trisha and Colleen just started a podcast together they were like three episodes in and it was basically just like a podcast of them just like talking about whatever how I understand it but they would like do it in like costumes and Adam was tweeting like hey Trisha like Colleen has talked mega shit on you in the past she's like invited you over to her house and given you the wrong address and like yeah and there's a

video of her saying like being like oh i gave trisha the wrong address by accident and trisha was like i thought you did that on purpose ah when she did but she was like he was like um colleen used to host viewing parties of your only fans and make fun of you just thought that you should know and then trisha blocked adam because trisha and colleen like trisha loved colleen like she was you could just tell in all the videos with them she was always just like looking at her like oh my god like we're both moms and like we like support each other and like we're friends now colleen is a mom of three she has twins and then a little boy this just gets wilder and wilder yeah so it turns out that colleen had been sending trisha's only fans posts which were behind a

paywall to minors so nude pictures which is illegal and there's proof of it like that's like punishable by law yeah and that's like literally grooming yeah she would be like oh my god you look so good in this picture and then would send like a picture of trisha to them and they would be like oh my god i fucking hate you and it was like an inside joke that they had and then she would host full-on viewing parties with her friends of like just watching trisha's porn and and laughing at her and so trisha released a statement like she released she had like a 20 minute youtube video that was the most calm collected that trisha paytas has ever been just being like i had no part in this like it was a better apology than colleen's apology

and she didn't need to apologize for anything she was like i um i had no part in this like i think it's completely inappropriate and the reason i remembered was because she was like i have trauma with this in the past with how teachers would act to me and like pretend that I was like their friend yeah and I'm I mean that's not surprising that that happened to Trisha yeah you know yeah like yeah she just has such like a big personality that I can totally imagine that happening yeah which is so horrible you should watch her apology her apology I put that in quotes because she didn't need to apologize for anything but she really didn't I wish you guys could have seen my face it's just like what there's so many levels of why that's

fucked up and like at the end of the day like the root of it is because she like is a rotten person yeah to do something like that to like to to have a gathering to make fun of someone yeah and then I don't think I'd even do that with the person I like hate the most a real person it's not like you know someone like Andrew Tate we're all gathering around to see what dumb thing he says but like to have a viewing party of someone's only fans yeah for the purpose of making fun of them when they haven't like done anything yeah you just don't like them there's a video of colleen saying we just saw like she it was like a vlog from going to like a zoo or something and they're like she was like we saw a whale we and then her friend

cory was like yeah we saw him we saw him like squirt you know like out of his blowhole and coleen was like yeah we saw a whale squirt and we're not talking about trisha paytas that's fucked up yeah all of this was going on the viewing party's everything when trisha was like coming over to coleen's house like kind of frequently to like do mom stuff so like she was like being fake to her face and like doing all these awful things behind the scenes which is that's some mean girls bullshit and when coleen released the toxic gossip train video she sent it to trisha like to be like oh yeah i addressed it and trisha was like watching like what the fuck is like this is the worst apology so it just it's so like for all of this stuff to come out

and for like the entire internet to like be on the side of the people who were like wronged in this situation and for her to still come out and release this video of her playing the ukulele and singing about how she didn't do anything wrong is like i'm just a quirky girl unhinged behavior like you have to have something wrong yes and so a lot of people are starting to like theorize that she was maybe groomed growing up because like she clearly doesn't see anything wrong with what she's doing but it does make sense why she's like i didn't do anything wrong because then she would have to admit what happened to her was wrong and that's that's really common yeah for people to be like well it's not if if your childhood we say with our parents if your childhood was bad then

that would mean that mine was bad yeah and it's like yeah yeah I think you should you should admit that to yourself yeah break the trauma break the generational trauma by having that conversation with yourself and then you have to admit you made a mistake right and that's a whole other other people yeah and yeah that's hard wow i mean regardless it doesn't absolve her of her actions no definitely not and now that she has kids too it's like how are you gonna discern if something fucked up happens to them like how are you gonna handle that how are you gonna know how are you going to be able to differentiate if what's going on with them is is something that is problematic or cause for concern when you can't even like differentiate that in your own life

right in your own behavior yeah oh man absolutely i know it's really it's super messy she was touring during all of this too we got an email about the jonah hill stuff that is an opinion on the shared texts yeah would you like to read it the title is jonah hill shared texts read the sharing of the screenshots of texts women are usually not believed if she had just shared jonah was emotionally abusive in her own words people mostly men would have come out of the woodwork calling her a liar or crazy or attention seeking etc he would have denied saying anything and everything by sharing the exact screenshots he can't deny that he said it he can and is denying the intention or if he thinks it is abusive but no one can deny what was actually said

it's sad we live in a world where abuse survivors are so rarely believed but if people don't want to be called out on abuse and or shitty behavior they should treat us better shrug emoji love you both amen that's like that's exactly what you used to say too you would be like if you don't want me to talk about it then then don't do it behave better yeah well also it's like okay if you're mad that someone's saying the thing that you actually said or like saying what you actually did and you're upset it's because you know it was fucked up yeah right right absolutely yeah I yeah yeah no totally I mean like if you're embarrassed of what you did then like maybe you shouldn't have done it i'm just like amazed and also not surprised which is sad on its own

about how many people are defending him like being like these are just i mean if candace owens has an opinion it's probably the wrong side of to be on you know and she's been posting a lot like there's nothing wrong with these this is toxic femininity la la la we have been pretty open about toxic femininity in the past candace girlfriend is it toxic for someone to have a job like what i don't know right also those like ultra conservative women have you noticed that their husbands they seem a little gay oh yeah um abby shapiro her husband seems a little gay the um girl defined oh yeah the girl defined one of those girls is definitely a lesbian and her husband went to conversion therapy i was gonna say didn't they meet at a conversion

camp they met at church but he went to conversion therapy and is very his eyes are screaming for help in their videos well one of this is so interesting you bring this up one of the girls in girl defined some of her videos are starting to like indicate that she is like regretful of living this like evangelical christian life because i love that for her you're taught that like all your problems are going to be solved and you're going to be so happy if you follow all of these rules and get married and whatever and you're just so strict and she's realizing that's not true so then when you see that that's not true then like you're going to have to question everything like why why have i been taught this a lot a lot of people that like leave mormonism

specifically that i know have had that same like hang on like yeah everything is still difficult i followed all of these rules set in place to a t and i'm still not happy and i was promised that i would be right so what the fuck yeah damn is it the one that's um i honestly don't know okay anyway good for her i hope i hope that she does whatever is best for her that would blow up the internet though because they are like god's children of the internet i'm sure even if she like has this kind of realization um that she would still remain christian but maybe she'd be like a cool christian i know so many cool christians yeah there's so many there's a ton of cool christians that are like yeah i do believe in this but also i don't believe in hell right

or like i believe in this and i also like don't hate someone because of who they love like there are there are christians that like you know aren't that they're cool about it yeah but they're like yeah people can be gay just like don't be a bad person right they're they're doing what jesus always wanted them to be doing loving my neighbor yeah that's like the only jesus thing i know um and that and how he died that's kind of a bummer that and how he did yeah and then he's not white um i'm sure you follow this person on twitter uh the handles ask aubrey yeah okay yes her tweets like everything she shares just enrages me so she um like specifically posts like screenshots of just like dudes being assholes um and then this one just this one was

so insane i just had to read it um my female 28 boyfriend male 28 thinks my boobs fill with blood before my period i don't think i need to say much else i tried to explain to him that it's just my milk duct swelling but he said until i prove him wrong that he won't change his mind i didn't want the almighty google to have something to the effect of do my boobs swell with blood before my period but here we are oh in my history but here we are i found evidence to support the milk duct thing but he said because i couldn't find an article that explicitly says my boobs don't fill with blood he doesn't accept it i just don't know how to get through to him tldr i tried to explain the science he says the research is unreliable and unrelated to this to his claim that my boobs

fill with blood before my period that is what i mean she finds evidence that support her theory and she can't find anything that says that they fill with blood and and but then he's like it has to you need to find something that says it does they do not fill with blood you won't because there's blood in everything so like they're constantly being filled with blood so you're not wrong but you're incorrect about the fact that that's why they get big i think what he thinks is like there's not milk in there like it's it's it's just blood what a fucking i know i mean it's like okay so oh my god you you can't find any articles to support your theory but you're just gonna believe it because you came up with the idea yeah i just love like

getting these little insights into how fucking insane people are now like people will just be like i had this thought and now it's a fact yeah like if i was like yeah before you blow out your boogers in your nose they're actually tiny diamonds yep and i that was just something i came up with my in my imagination and now it's real and it's something i believe and like can you find an article on google that says that that isn't the truth no that it is the truth it's literally like what it's literally like how children think yeah they're like i i imagined that i was a train and now i am one yeah so unless you can prove on google that i'm not a train i'm not gonna believe you right like you're doing peekaboo and when i can't see your face you're

not here anymore like you can't prove that that's not true so it's true that's literally from that is the a to b thinking that children grow out of by the time they're what 10 oh yeah maybe even before that seven yeah my brother just told us this story like when i saw my family over the summer um he was like yeah i had a dream when i was a kid that i could breathe underwater then the next day i tried it in the pool and i like choked oh no i think he was like six oh my god you know so these are the thoughts that like a six-year-old and he learned real quick he was like oh yep that was a dream and so it can't happen in real life i cannot breathe underwater wow i mean yeah you gotta go through that shit and learn that those things don't yeah trial and error you

know at six years old he had a hypothesis he tested it and and then his hypothesis was just proven real quickly did not turn into a theory yep wow that's that's the scientific method wow right there i love that that's the craziest shit i've ever heard speaking of the scientific method oh god mr liz and i like got into kind of an argument and he was like well i think we just like think of the scientific method differently i think that we just think differently about pemdos we just do things in different order well i was telling him something about like a like a ufo conference there's like a lot of things that are coming out about ufos and um whatnot and uh he was like questioning it a lot and then i was like dude i don't know i haven't

like looked at all of it i just saw like clips of the conference and then he just spent all of this time like trying to disprove me god bless him just like see we just think of the scientific method jumping off the desk so you get like a really good like angle on a slap in the face what would you do if a man was like well i think that we just like approach the scientific method differently i think the rest of the night whenever there was like any he had an opinion about anything like it's like oh we should like head outside i'd be like i don't i kind of want to stay inside i think we just think about the scientific method differently i'm just gonna start saying that to him i think we just think about the scientific method and i will say in

mr liz's defense like it was fair for him to question me totally absolutely and i didn't like do any research so but i was just like repeating no that's not the issue here he's allowed to disagree thinking about the scientific method differently i have what i didn't even have like a a hypothesis right i was just like repeating something i saw i don't know liz i think we just think about the scientific method that is fucking crazy you were saying nasa held the convention and i was like i don't know i know they were there and they were and you know what if nasa didn't believe that it happened nasa's not gonna just show up at any convention no they have shit to do yeah space shit exactly shit we don't even know about so i think it said a lot

that they were there but but i think you guys just must think about the scientific method differently yeah i believe in aliens and he kind of does like i believe in aliens i believe that they've been here and i believe that they're just like watching us like ruin our own fucking planet i heard a really crazy theory can i tell you it yes so like tell me about the scientific method behind your theory well we'll see if we think the same about it we might view the scientific method differently how this like a this idea that like the earth like is an organism it's like a living thing yeah it just is it has a lot of living things on it but itself is is a living breathing organism so when we have a virus in

our bodies our bodies attack it yeah there's a theory that we're a virus on the earth and that's why there's like natural disasters and like pandemics and like to try and get rid of the virus it's trying to like all like the natural things that happen like that is like it's like the antibodies are trying to get rid of us that is such a crazy thing to think about i know dude it's like and nature nature loves repetition in like existence in general like um uh how our lungs like how we need oxygen to survive and trees create oxygen and how herbal plants create oxygen and then um we breathe that in and then we create co2 and that's what plants need yeah and and their uh roots look like what is it like our neurons like lungs is it oh yeah yeah yeah or like is

it the tree tops that look like lungs i don't know i think it's both of them yeah so yeah the nature loves patterns you know so we we have this kind of like symbiotic thing with trees and then they also visually mirror each other which is beautiful man bananas um but also if you think about like even your eye like that looks like a root space thing oh my god it does you know looks like galaxies yeah and well so then if you also think about how the reason we even have eyes that is a genetic mutation so everything around us has already existed but there were like these tiny little organisms in the water that like didn't have eyesight and then um they started to like mutate to like uh sense light and see light but not really things and

then they just kept mutating i don't know liz i think it was god well so i think we just think about the scientific method if humans are the virus you know like viruses continue to mutate damn we're gonna be indestructible so we're just like keep mutating no we're gonna we're covid we're gonna kill this planet the way viruses kill us no we're gonna move to mars kill that planet while we kill this planet um i'm just gonna like hope that an alien can read my mind and take me away maybe i bet he's sexy you know i don't know oh a sexy alien love that you only like we only have propaganda that shows us that aliens are scary and ugly and they don't like us and they want to kill us and take over our planet yeah but honestly if they wanted to

do that they already would have totally i mean they definitely come in peace like yeah they have they have such advanced technology that they can like travel here from another universe you think they're like they haven't they're gonna yeah if they wanted to fucking take over our shitty planet they would have right right we're in space jail so i was the comments were like aliens roll up their windows when they're driving by earth that's so fucking it's true it's so true they're like all right everybody keep your hands inside the spacecraft because we are really not killing it yeah these people are hurting each other and causing each other suffering and doing nothing about it they're allowing it they're they're they're the they're the reason

they're the cause of each other suffering so fuck there's no like if we weren't if we were like if we didn't have money or we if even if we had money but we were like progressive about it and making sure like everyone on the planet was taken care of then we would be able to progress but that's not what's happened no you know it's wild and it really like makes me go a little nuts every time i think about it is the fact that like everything that we know for fact outside of like what like nasa's figured out about space everything that we know for fact and everything that's ever happened in history that we've ever learned about has all happened on this itty bitty little rock that's wild everything we know has happened here that's crazy to think about because we're so

yeah and only and the reason we even like know all of this like uh we've all seen interstellar um and that's like the first thing that has kind of like played with the idea of time is a concept not and not like a solid fact so that is probably true i think i'm pretty sure it is true but it's crazy because even people that think of time as a concept like physicists agree that it's moving in one direction regardless of what it is time is moving we think of time as moving forward like animals don't conceptualize time but they know that things are moving along you know what i mean it's like whatever it is is moving along there there's also a recent discovery that time is not a flat circle oh my god um it happens in like waves jesus christ i hate that

more what do you mean i didn't once again i have not done the research i just saw a brief um headline you know what i think this is something that i think i was like that's crazy and then i didn't make time to go read about it so that's fair like damn that's wild that's crazy anyways i have to go make a um powerpoint deck about twitter strategy damn yeah time might be a time's not a flat circle running out of it yeah time's not a flat circle but i have to hit a deadline yeah and i have to hit a deadline so i can pay my fucking bills because these cats don't have a job no they're little freeloaders look at them sleeping like they've had a long day yeah shit he's been hard at work screaming in my face um there is a series on youtube by wired

who wired is getting a lot of publicity on this episode from me but um it's where uh professionals will explain things in five levels of difficulty start they do they explain it to a child a teenager um a college student someone in like a grad student and then another professional and they explain these things in different layers and there's a physicist explaining time and he lost me at the teenager like the kid was like okay i get that they have the most interest they do dreams they have the most interesting conversations this would be so amazing because i was thinking about this earlier like i think that initially at work sometimes people think i'm fucking stupid because I need something explained to me in very simple terms initially yeah and then as I like

get more comfortable or like learn more about the thing then I'm like okay we got this totally but initially sometimes I just need something explained to me like in really simplistic terms right and then that's my jumping off point yes me too so you should watch this series because I have everything love that yeah it's fantastic that's what I watch instead of true crime now at night oh I'm so proud of you thank you so much i have a gift for you it's your birthday present it's here amelia already knows what her present is i almost bought it for myself last week yeah and i was like she's testing me she knows no dude i'm so fucking excited i'm so i'm going to therapy tomorrow so i'm gonna bring a bag she's gonna be she's going to be like

because i like liz sends a message yeah uh-huh i always walk in with armfuls of shit and then just like plop it down on the couch next to me you're gonna love the bagu i i'm so excited i discover things i forgot about in there constantly i'm so excited yeah it's gonna be perfect thank you so much anyway this is uh this is my push for anyone and everyone to get a bagu and specifically the medium crescent size bag you can fit your entire um water bottle in there oh fuck yeah that's great because i have a huge water bottle not with me today but the water bottle and other stuff my big wallet oh my god um oh my god like there's there's so many pairs of sunglasses in there and then in one of the pockets it's just like a million lip glosses this episode has been

all over the place yeah it really has been um we've covered so many different things we have and i think that it's good to wrap here yeah let's reflect we we've covered porn addiction um deep fake porn deep fake porn coline ballinger yeah that that weird girl and then jonah hill again jonah hill again just like one more little quick recap and then like outer space for some reason and like your boobs don't fill with blood when you're on your period yeah anyway thanks for listening yeah we love you we love you are true i could i can't find it i'm sorry you know who's really good at harmonizing frank oh wow any note he'll harmonize it in three ways singing uh he must be i've never heard him

sing but he must be he was a band kid oh okay all right well i can't wait to hear him at karaoke eventually. Merry Christmas. What?