The Hoely Hour - E185 We Love Wives

Episode Date: May 24, 2024

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That actually is a good lead-in to my next dating app idea, which is called HOSE, but it's H-O-S-E, and it is a play on words. It's to hook up with firefighters. Welcome to The Holy Hour, a podcast about sex, relationships, mental health, and everything in between. I'm Amelia Sampson. And I'm Liz Ball. Follow us on Instagram and TikTok at The Holy Hour. I'm on Instagram and TikTok at Amelia Sampson. And I'm on Instagram and tiktok at liz ball so hard you can also watch us on youtube or listen ad free on patreon at patreon.com slash the holy hour check out our merch at the holy hour.com and email us your spicy stories at holy hour podcast at gmail.com

amelia has purple hair for everyone listening i had a crisis and liz talked me through it now i have purple hair and we love it i'm really happy with it i'm i'm glad that you went purple and not red yeah me too i think you're right about me being high contrast because i feel very um i feel a lot more confident with this hair oh i went out friday night and felt like that bitch you know what i mean you look like that bitch thank you so much with the purple thank you it's definitely your color thank you and i'm always saying that i'm always you are always saying that you are always saying that and you're right i look really good in purple and it's frank's favorite color like to a like destiny to a high degree his his theme for his

bar mitzvah was purple that was that's a great thing just purple purple he's always been a purple boy anyway go on about your first day um you know i was that what you were talking about or spring break kind of well we were talking about your hair right we were talking and then we were talking about how we didn't talk a lot last week oh yeah i was just in um well mr liz calls it a bridge hole um a bridgerton hole what is that oh you're watching yeah and i didn't just watch the new it's half of a season of bridgerton which is very upsetting but i didn't just watch that i warmed up for bridgerton by watching re-watching season two of bridgerton as one does and then season half one of season three came out and i watched that in one day um and then everyone

did that everyone was tweeting that yeah and i was like well it's like i waited so long and i already blew through it in a day and then i went to i was like well now what do i fucking do with myself so then i started i re-watched season one so i was deep in the bridge hole you're doing like a star wars saga kind of approach to this like episode three when when the second half comes out i'm gonna have to re-watch that first half season three she she bopping around i have i'm too much bridgerton in my head but you know what i have been um it's a b-hole i'm it is a b-hole and bees are a big theme in bridgerton yeah oh um a bee kills the dad spoiler but i mean that you know the dad is dead a bee like buzz like a buzzing bee kills the dad yes he allergic yes

hurt and you know it's the regency era they don't have yeah that's true pen right yeah like a scrape on your knee is gonna yeah that's gonna kill you back then exactly fuck you could die from just like gallivanting in the rain and getting a cold they had no sense of wonder back then that's so sad and that's why we love bridgerton because it gives you a sense of wonder yeah i love that it's just a silly little show that you know maybe their clothing is not historically accurate but i don't fucking care do you ever think about how bad those people smelled like in real time oh yeah like their buttholes probably smelled so bad you know they stank yeah well but these are all rich people so but like they bathe regularly that's that's fair and they have they they don't do

shit they sit i'm like they don't have jobs what are they doing all day they're getting dressed up and just like looking out the window i want to not have a job i mean it does sound really nice yeah i i want to be dressed up all fancy and have a house full of like maids and cooks and whatever yeah somebody to tighten my corset yeah i have so much time to just thinking think about finding love at the ball yeah later fuck i was telling mr liz i want to have um a bridgerton themed birthday oh my god that would get expensive for everyone but they were like grand things um i'll do it kind of i'll drop you have to watch it's definitely like affordable no you know i would drop coin on your birthday it's the only time of year i dress up it'd be called the liz

ball liz okay you have to do it that's so good i just and now that we're talking about bridgerton i just i fucking love it i feel like i'm the only person it's just that hasn't watched bridgerton i'm just not a scripted show person i want to be i just like by the time i'm watching tv at the end of the day i don't want to pay attention to what i'm watching so like we put on like love island or like married at first sight just kind of like some some garbage tv yeah and then you're scrolling on your phone exactly or crocheting i've been crocheting and like i'm i'm crocheting to find a little thing like that you know what i think that a big piece of my like anxiety and depression is phone addiction oh absolutely i mean everyone i'm on it way less and i um i also went down in

my antidepressants you did yeah mazel tov i didn't know that i'm trying i'm transitioning off of them that's big i know it is a big deal how do you feel about that how do you feel period well it was always my goal you know yeah yeah no i know um and after talking to our psychiatrist too i was like i mean my my main goal eventually is to not be taking any medication and i feel so much more like clear-headed that's amazing yeah see it's just have you heard of um i actually learned about this last night which I definitely think my depression was situational and then you're like trying to like I feel like SSRIs made it made me depressed like I had anxiety and then when you have ADHD SSRIs aren't always the best option and you know what I'm not a doctor so don't fucking

listen right I have ADHD and yeah we're all different yeah you know it's been great for me yeah it really it's so tough that's the issue with these brain drugs I mean they're great if they work for you but trying to figure out which ones work for you is such a job it's such a job exactly but i learned last night about brain zaps have you heard of this when you go off of ssris or snris um 43 percent of people which is a huge percent experience brain zaps which forever no no no it's just like when you're it's like a withdrawal symptom and not like it's that makes sense different medications are higher I thought it was chance because I I felt like that when I was starting Welbutrin oh so no so because I was transitioning off of Lexapro that makes sense but

what brain zaps are they're literally it feels like an electric shock in your brain and it makes the sound like like you hear it there's an auditory hallucination with it and people experience it at a higher rate when they're like doing lateral eye movements which is they don't know why they don't know what causes them either but they just know that they happen isn't that bizarre that is so interesting yeah it's just crazy that doctors are like oh i don't know good luck hope it's not serious well i mean as long as it's not permanent yeah no it's not that's good to know isn't that wild so yeah if you start feeling zaps in your brain you're fine we probably we've just we started off hitting so many topics we really we really hit the ground running but that does i have one

short small topic that i learned um as a result of that video that told me about the brains apps it just like started playing after it started playing automatically um there's this youtube channel that has hank green on it you know hank green no he's you've probably seen that name you've probably seen him on tiktok he's like the science guy he's just the most like lovable well bill nye is my only science guy damn he's from here you know i know apparently he's like a mega dick i mean that makes sense i kind of love that he used to be on an improv troop really um yeah he would do a bit where he would like it was like him and two other guys and they would do this bit where they were pretending to be cops on mercer island yeah that's ridiculous

i love that um for those of you who aren't local to seattle mercer island is where all of like the super rich people live yeah um so you can imagine the crime on mercer island is yeah stupid petty right wealthy people crime probably a lot of speeding tickets it's like um there is a person of color in my neighborhood yeah that too yeah it's suspicious so this video that hank green was narrating was um science myths that aren't true like internet science myths and one that he called out is that um wolves don't have alphas i love that yeah so based off of it was it was based off of an outdated study like that were just wolves in captivity that they were studying um and the dude that like wrote the book on alphas like the that structure in wolves now has walked back on

his claims he's like yeah that's it's not true they have family structures where both parents will just like lead the pack and then when the kids grow up they just like start their own family they go to college yeah they go to college they start their own family sometimes they study fine arts their parents are a little disappointed yeah they move back in um it's a whole thing but eventually they get their footing yeah they do they do yeah yeah yeah they might spend a little bit of time as a barista they meet a nice girl or boy wolf yeah who helps them get their shit absolutely they go back to school they get a master's a math what would a wolf get a master's in um oh that's a good question huffing and puffing and blowing the house down

probably yeah i want that dressing up as grandmothers yes we i want i want a master's in huffing and puffing and blowing a house down that does sound do they offer that at utub i wonder well we can start our own program that's true that's a good point but anyway so back to the facts so back to the facts um yeah there's no power there's no power struggle with wolves i've been listening to an audiobook um by amanda montel it's called like the magical age of or the age of magical overthinking um and this is relevant i promise the the chapter i had just listened to she talks about how um if we hear something often enough then we like believe it to be fact whether and and like if you swallow gum it takes like seven years to digest or you

like swallow five spiders a year yeah yeah just things like that if you hear it so many times then um people just generally believe it to be fact right which i think is so interesting that is the book is really interesting and we think we know more than we actually do so um like a the example is like they surveyed college students on um how much they knew about i can't remember the exact thing so i'm going to use an example like um clocks like oh do you know how how like how to use a clock and it's like yeah and then they were asked to then explain the mechanics of a clock damn like more or less it was something else but it's just like we when we interact with something so often yeah we think we know how it works or damn but but then when it

comes to like the mechanics of something um another example she used was zippers you know yeah like we don't know every time i try to fix a zipper i'm like what the fuck is this like they they definitely a zipper like someone had to make this yeah you know so fuck so every the mechanics of it damn that's kind of like a metaphor for like the people in your life like you interact with them a lot but you really like know them yeah do you actually like know the people that you're seeing every day let that be a lesson um that is so interesting in relation to the fact that we also come up like we have false memories that we are 100 convinced happened but if if somebody tells you like they did a study where they um implanted fake memories into people's brains like do you remember that

time that like you were at the wedding and you backed into the cake and the cake fell over and People are like, no, but then the next time ultra or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. But then they'll come back the next time and they'll be like, do you remember that time at the wedding?

And they're like, yeah, when I knocked the cake over, like it, it gets, and they're so convinced that it happened. That's fucking terrifying. Isn't that interesting? I don't know. Human brains are fickle. Um, and we don't know much. So stop acting like you do men.

Yeah. Not all men. honestly if you think about it like how many things are actually facts because there are so many like we can do we can do as many studies as we want like and experts can do as many studies as they want but humans are flawed like that there's that just goes without saying we're flawed beings so our studies are going to be flawed so how much is actually like truth right that's why they only call them theories they're like proven over time but they're still not like you know anyways okay

well that was my topic um love that also i got drinks with somebody who listens to the podcast last week and he was like um he like called he called it one of our topics he's like oh yeah you were talking about that last week it was one of your topics i was like oh we should use the word yeah um just making something a little french sounding is just like so fun and cunty absolutely like microphone microphone um i went to so mr liz's friend's wife uh when i met the two of them she and i just like hit it off i love that too love it it's another reason why i'm like i love women women are the best like and it's so isn't it so nice when your boyfriend has like yeah a friend and they have like a partner and you love the partner

yes you're like oh my god this is like such a great little thing yeah it's a bonus when they're together they're like we should set them up like we should um yeah we should get our wives to hang out yeah essentially yeah and i think that's so cute it's so cute like do you think that liz would want to do this with us like if my wife came too i love that shit i'm like yeah set me up with your wife I love that it's the best it's so empowering that I love it when it happens with dudes like when boyfriends become friends yes with each other because it's so pure our boyfriends yeah being kind of in love with each other a little bit it's the best it's all I've ever wanted it's so cute I showed you sent me a picture of Mr. Liz in those in the

shorts uh-huh that he fashioned out of jeans and jorts I showed it to Frank because I was like he's gonna think this is a great picture of mr liz and i showed it to him and he was like that's a good pic he looks good i was like why don't you fucking marry him i was like i know these look silly but you look kind of hot it was a good picture i was like we roll them up so they're short that's so i want him to wear short shorts is he gonna get rid of his very long legs does he like no i think he'll wear them as a bit though i think he'll wear them as a joke it's so good when they stretch out a little bit they'll they'll be great but i was gonna say this guy's wife um oh yeah she she had like obviously known you because of your con your content um oh yeah so i'm but she didn't know that

like she didn't know i existed whatever so then when mr liz was like oh yeah my girlfriend has a podcast with her friend it's called the holy hour she's like wait i know that's so sick and she was like i knew what it was before i met you is that weird and i was like no that's the fucking best that's so cool i really don't care who was it someone was talking to us oh no dude a girl um another wife another wife that i became friends with love her love her she's so great um we were talking about uh the podcast well i don't even know how ours got brought up but i i try to generally like not bring it up because i don't i don't know i don't want you and i are so different in that way yeah i have a sex podcast we talk about sex i do sex things i'll tell people if

it's relevant you know i'm not gonna like bring it up out of the blue that's so that's like good human behavior when when she and i were talking about it she was like would it like weird you out if i like listen to the podcast i was like not at all i really don't care it's the same way with like our friends if we have a friend who's like i'm sorry i don't listen i'm like i don't yeah like i don't expect you to listen yeah to this totally we're friends yeah you get all the updates in real time exactly you don't need to hear this um but she had said that she met like another someone else with a podcast she was like i had listened to the podcast and her voice was familiar and i didn't like realize it was her and then i was like oh do you host this podcast and

then she got like really fucking weird about it and i was like that's strange yeah what what's the point you do a podcast because you love when people hear you yeah and i was like huh are there other reasons so bizarre yeah and i don't know then why did she have a podcast and then she she was like and it's not even like that popular of a podcast but oh so it wasn't like a please no pictures yeah and then this girl was acting like um uh she had sought her out because she's like a podcast host oh give me a fucking break i just want you guys to know that like it is hard to be a very lucrative podcast like those like the top 10 that you see on like spotify or apple podcast like they're rolling in the dough yeah for sure but like it does take a

long time to get there and yeah it does i don't know it's not one day folks we're almost three it'll be three years no four years i know dude what the fuck yeah someone was like how long have you been doing it because i was talking about it this weekend to a few people and i was like uh it'll be four years this year because we started in 2020 and then everyone had kind of a brain meltdown because we're like it's 2024 oh my god that's crazy it doesn't feel like it's been that long no it doesn't have a lot of episodes though this is 185 yeah crazy yep well and y'all are still listening y'all are still with us and that means so much we are obsessed with you we have shrines of all of you we're probably more obsessed with our listeners than any of them

i don't safe to say i don't think any of our listeners are obsessed with us i think they're all probably reasonable people yes yeah so and that bolsters the idea even more that we're probably even more obsessed with you yeah um i'm pretty public about it like whenever i talk about people are like how many how many listeners do you guys have and whenever i say i just we spend a little of time call you all by name yeah let me list all of them um what was your topic from last week oh my topic from last week that we didn't get to and i know this will be something that might not be as relatable to you because it's about girls okay the hbo show girls yeah um from 2012 yes written by lena dunna which we also talked about last week um well this was more in depth so my

theory is that whichever girl's character you hate the most um is something that you hate about yourself that you won't admit yeah i i believe it's like some shadow work indicator oh my god um so i've been thinking about what it means based off of which girl's character you hate the most i love this it's like the new horoscope i mean the biggest one that people hate is hannah the main character that's fair and you know what and i think she is a deeply unlikable character but i am starting to re-watch it a little bit and like i think she's much more likable in season one um because she's a little more realistic yeah and over time like the characters change a little bit but they don't change for the better and that is the point of girls at like you're supposed to not

like them oh um yeah oh i didn't know that it's supposed to just kind of be a reflection of like the flawed parts of you know being a woman in your 20s obviously we're much more redeemable i think in real life than these characters are because we're they're meant to be disliked and unlikable totally but um hannah is the most disliked and it's because also you know people do bring up the point of like there aren't enough people of color in this series and i agree but also i think the point is it's supposed to be these like privileged white girls and this is a it's like a reflection of these this privileged white girl experience yeah yeah um and i think that's why it's probably such a white show because i just don't think that uh like it would come

across as as unlikable i mean you know what i'm saying yeah unlikable white women are like a special kind of unlikable yes and it's it's like this um unawareness of like their own privilege but then being like a constant victim yes so i think um so that's so real the the if you dislike hannah the most you probably what you probably don't like about yourself is that you always see yourself as like the main character or the victim of everything you're always right and um that's how hannah is she's just like such a she acts like she's so knowledgeable and um like super liberal but then she's also incredibly like closed-minded and um like when it comes to practice you know uh and then she also wants to be a writer and we all know someone who's like i want to be a

writer but then they like don't fucking write anything and then um or like they're a really talented writer but they're writing about like she thinks her life is so much more interesting than it actually is did you date a guy like that who really wanted to be a writer but like had never written i feel like that's a story i heard yeah yes i did um and he's still not doing shit anyways it's a different kind of insufferable with men and women they're they're two totally different types of insufferable that's so true um but hannah thinks that she's like chronically interesting and she's not and that's so funny but I like I do love the relatability of like dating someone who kind of sucks and then like you're in these sexual situations where you're

like this is awkward and I'm trying like he's into this so I'm trying to figure it out and I just don't really like it I don't know so um yeah I think if you dislike Hannah the most it's because you're probably still stuck in a childish um mindset and or or uh you have outgrown that part of yourself and done the work but it doesn't mean it wasn't once how you were um and then if you hate Marnie the most Marnie starts out as being like I'm the reliable friend I'm the organized friend I'm the I'm an adult I'm responsible so um I think if you hate her the most it's because at a young age you were like I know everything I'm so organized I'm an adult I think that if you dislike Marnie the most it's because uh you at a young age thought you knew

everything and you also really thrive like you wanted to be the organized friend you you were playing the part of being an adult um at a young age and not really like asking yourself if that's who you wanted to be you're not good at letting go um because even when like Marnie does like let go and kind of like not have her shit together at all and becomes a hot mess she's still so insufferable oh um and then if you hate Jessa the most it's because um um jessa i mean they're all childish in a different way um and they're all kind of trying to play this part of an adult um and the the adult that jessa is trying to be is like i'm so like traveled and interesting and um i i just like i know so much and i she's very like wayward and

like um she wants to be bohemian you know yeah uh so i think that if you dislike jessa um it's because i'm trying to think of how to explain it uh are you gonna tell us you act like you're super knowledgeable and worldly but in reality like you're just a white girl who went to thailand for two weeks damn i'm a white girl who went to thailand for two weeks is she your least favorite uh no hannah's my least favorite but i also i have a secondary theory that branches off of this um which is that your 20s you are a we all have stages of our 20s you know yeah and there's no time limit on each stage but there are going to be four stages and you're one of the girls in each stage of your life you have this is like you have a whole you know you i know you're

not done explaining this you have to make a tiktok about this i feel like your tiktok brand is going to be talking about the show talking about tv shows because your sex in the city video did so well because it's like everyone was like yes i'm like not saying anything at all i know but it's like so true you know what i mean anyway go on um yeah i need to bake out these theories a little bit more because i think that probably would be fun for people to reflect on and ruminate on but i think that um there is no order of which girl you start as but you're always gonna end as shoshanna because shoshanna is kind of like the only like reasonable one of the four of them um i'm still re-watching it you know i don't remember everything so i'll i'll have a better

assessment um after watching a little bit more again yeah so go easy on her yeah i would say my personal journey um i started out as a marnie because i you know in my early 20s i'm in like this committed relationship just because like I I know him and and I I decided that I'm going to be with this person but I don't actually like want to be with them and and he loves me so much this is like college Liz you know yeah like oh well I just I I don't have any experience but I decided I'm going to marry this person and therefore I'm an adult and then um that's very much how Marnie is she's like she cares a lot about male attention um and I think you know we all did yeah I think it's just maybe part of being in your early 20s you're just like yeah

yeah it's true your body's like make more what boys think I need to reproduce so she gets a lot of her value and self-worth from that um and so does Jessa uh and then who was she dating I'm looking at the characters right now charlie okay and he's hot yeah well they're only dating for a little bit anyways oh anyway okay go on um he's he's one of the kinds of guys that uh mr liz would call weenie hut jr he he's like he's like well because there's like the awkward sex scenes with hannah and adam driver and then there's also these awkward sex scenes with marnie and charlie and mr liz is like watching marnie and charlie is so much worse and cringier than watching like lena dunham and adam driver and like honestly it becomes a bit like how much you see lena dunham's

tits i remember you saying that from she is a while ago she's always naked she and she wrote it too so she wrote herself in being which is honestly i think it's so funny well because and like when this show came out people were like the main character is a fat girl and she's complete she's a she's straight sized so she's probably like a size six or something i don't know she looks like a normal fucking person that's wild and people were just like outraged to see a girl who's like not a size zero having sex like it's so stupid it's so dumb oh but anyways my journey yeah i started i was marnie um i think i became a hannah where i'm like i'm the victim all of the time especially in my dating life where um and then i just thought i was way more

interesting than i am and then um i became jessa where i was just like i think that we should unionize the nannies like i went to thailand and you need to travel uh so i think that i was i was like jessa maybe when i first moved to seattle i was like wow wow people should have rights like yeah brain blast not that i didn't think that i just had zero awareness of like what was going on because i was i'm a privileged white girl you know right i i didn't just like know about a lot of stuff exactly yeah um and then i ended up shoshana where i was like wow all of you suck yeah all of those versions of me sucked damn in their own way it's kind of beautiful this is it's brilliant writing when all of the characters contain like universes within each of them that's

that's like amazing and i like and how often do you see a show where the point is you're supposed to hate them all it's like okay we have hbo girls where you're like yep everybody sucks and then um you have a succession i think that's another example where you're like damn all of these people suck friends is another one they were written i didn't watch friends they were written to be unlikable like none of the characters are likable okay but all of them together are likable you know yeah yeah but yeah it's interesting i do love i think the thing that makes girls so fucking brilliant too because part of me is like is lena dunham aware of is she self-aware when she's writing these characters and i think that she is yeah i think there is probably a little

bit of a blind spot i think maybe she thinks hannah is more redeemable than she is but hannah is so deeply unlikable but like like her as a character is like she's so fucking funny because you're like she has zero self-awareness and um does and says a lot of things that are um ironic and like contradictory to like how she claims to be and like what she's actually doing so we all know those and and it's a it hits different when you're watching it in your 30s versus your 20s because you've gone through this journey as through your through your 20s yeah that's interesting that i i want to watch it yeah it's definitely it's i think it's a really fun watch i've and it is really it is really funny i wanted to watch it for years and i just never did highly recommend

well because up until this point i think that the only thing that women really had was sex in the city where it's four friends yeah um but i guess the biggest difference is sex in the city they're adult women yeah um and i think it was bowen yang he said like sex in the city is like who is aspirational yeah like that's who you imagine yourself to be like it's all these successful hot women you know yeah they're running this show and then girls is like who you actually are yeah yeah no that's that's interesting wait bowen yang talked about girl i want to listen to bowen yang's take on literally everything me too i love him so much he's in the new wicked so funny oh i can't wait i had no idea until i saw like promotional photos i'm so hyped um so if you're

listening to this and you've watched girls i want to hear your your thoughts and hot takes on girls because i just like i love thinking about the show and talking about it and talking about the characters and like the nuance of everything i was listening to a girls rewatch podcast which i think i had mentioned last week yeah and it's just so interesting to hear like jenzy's perspective on watching this show um that came out in 2012 because there are a lot of things that i don't think that would be included today if this show was written today um that I think are still important like the thing I think that things do need to be offensive for us to like talk about them you know what I mean yeah it's like the same thing with the office when people are like

I can't believe Michael Scott like said this and did that and you're like that's the point yeah I like I to me it blows my mind that people lose the point of that yeah it's kind of it's the same way with poor things i think maybe i've talked about poor things on the podcast too i don't think you have yeah you have you have yeah like when people are like she has a baby's brain like how is this okay and then she's having sex i'm like that's they're they're making fun of a trope yeah and they had to make it so egregious to get the point across and you're still not getting it right like yeah yeah people really do like lose the plot on these like on art well they lose the plot in in the name of like social justice yeah warriorism yeah we have all of these people who

are just typing away and like pointing fingers at each other but like if it's really that important to you then what are you actually tangibly doing yeah like are you canvassing are you like showing are you voting what are you doing you know yeah the focus is so much on awareness we can't be pointing the fingers I think pointing the finger at um like other just regular people isn't really solving anything and it never has like if we're against each other then we're we're never gonna get what we want yeah or what we need have you seen all of this stuff with um you know Hayley Bo Bailey on TikTok you've probably seen her uh yeah didn't she go to uh she was she was interviewing people on the carpet for E at the Met is she the one who did the like the let them

meat cake thing yeah that was so fucking i mean a bad pr like really really really bad yeah you clearly don't you clearly don't know the history of the quote uh-huh you know anyway regardless like that started this whole movement of people blocking celebrities that aren't is is it about gaza that aren't speaking out against um israel yes that's what i figured but like i don't have a money component to it it's less about yeah it's less about the the celebrities and creators themselves and more about the brands that are paying them and supporting them so if you're like you know if they're partnering with these brands that are giving money to israel um then by like blocking and not engaging with these celebrities or creators

it's hurting the brands that are funding this see that feels like more like it is it's been significantly more effective yeah than just being like why aren't you saying anything yeah and I mean I think that gets lost on people they're like well they didn't say anything yeah they didn't stand up for something yeah um and sure yeah that's you can also take that stance because if totally um you don't need to support people who don't align with your values and like that's everyone's right as a human like you don't need to align yourself with people or brands or things that aren't aligned with your values and I think that is an admirable thing to do as well because like when you do things that reflect your values you feel more centered in who you are as a person

you have a more clear identity of yourself so um I love thinking about values work in general yeah like and and then I think about like what am I doing that is betraying my values um and i mean sure blocking celebrities and creators i don't think that's going to give you it's not going to give you as much like fulfillment as like other actions that support your values will yeah don't yeah it comes down to the money yes and the brands that makes sense because you know money is uh puppeteering to me money puppeteers our entire government um circling back to talking about shows you should watch the ashley madison docu-series on netflix so we can talk about it on the podcast because it is so much deeper than

it was like publicized to me like just so much shit happened that just like didn't make the news okay yeah yeah you gotta watch i don't know a ton it's do you know like the gist of what happened with Ashley Madison um so what I know about what happened with Ashley Madison I know Ashley Madison was a website designed for husbands to cheat on their wives yeah well I guess for both to cheat on each other and a bunch of men signed up and it was real men but a bunch of fake female profiles yes um and then they were hacked and those identities were publicized yeah um and then i know one of the uh 19 kids and counting or whatever i think josh duggar yeah the one who's a pedophile um he had signed up for it yeah um and that's the extent of my knowledge okay that's i

mean that's a good like basis of knowledge for it there's just it really goes into depth about do you remember that um couple that it was like a big youtube video where the husband told the wife that she was pregnant because he like took pee out of the toilet since she like didn't flush to not wake him up and then no yeah it was like this video that got like that's weird hundreds of millions of views on youtube um and they were like a really good christian couple you know they were like christian family bloggers and he was on ashley madison so they were they're interviewed they're kind of like the through line through the whole docu-series it's three episodes it's very very very good i was watching it i was like a good short docu-series yeah it's very good and

and you know i love a scandal yeah watch it we'll talk about it yeah whenever you watch it i think that would be a good relevant topic totally well speaking of dating apps um i had this idea i'm so excited well amelia really like ran with it because i forgot i had this idea um i couldn't sleep so to come up with uh come up with um new dating app ideas um so since i only have one i'll let you start oh okay okay um the first one that i came up with is an app called trinket and you match with people based on the trinkets that they have in their house because i think that you can learn a lot about someone based on the trinkets that they keep like little knickknacks and stuff um i got confused for a second because uh in in our

household trinket means um a snack or a treat that's so cute we're always like do you have any trinkets i'm obsessed will you bring me a trinket home you guys call things the best things well we get half of it from his old mr liz's old roommate because he he like misnames things all the time that's so funny like make things up like um trinket is one of them and then a tandem bicycle he called it a tandemaran so now now which is not a thing so now we call them tandem marans that should be the name of a company that makes tandem bikes that's so funny someone someone do this yeah someone make tandem bicycles called tandem marans take the idea um but yeah i feel like i could have learned a lot when i was still dating i would go to a dude's house and see their

trinkets and i'd be like oh yeah like you really like this one thing it would have saved me some time i think that this would be good for college boys especially yeah because the things you would see in a college boys dorm yeah like let me see all the beer cans that you kept for some reason why do you have so many like crusty like plastic black plates yeah right putting on them how when was the last time you washed your sheets sheets that should be one everyone just posts their sheets a picture of your sheets yes and we'll match based on their navy blue you get kicked off the app yeah that's fair honestly my one idea um it's like bumble but it's called buzz and it's uh all military dudes so fucking funny but because that's so specific yeah and also like

military guys they have a buzz cut um and uh it's all like one night stands because yeah um um do you're you're signing up to be cheated on more or less so not to say all military guys cheat but it is a trope it is a reason it is a trope that actually is a good lead into my next dating app idea which is called hose but it's h-o-s-e and it is a play on words it's to hook up with firefighters oh because like we all know they're probably married and i'm not i'm not trying to be an Ashley Madison here but you know it is it is an idea because that is such a type that people have firefighters yeah you know hoes well I mean they need to uh be able to like carry a lot of weight and like yeah like they have to train for a long time and they and they

can save lives because most of them were EMTs previously they have some kind of EMS experience so give me mouth to mouth well it doesn't need to be um it doesn't need to be a cheating app No, but I think it's a hookup app, which is also a play on the word hose. Yeah, exactly. Hose hookup. You have to hook up the hose. Hose hookup. Anyway, someone make it.

My last idea is actually, I told this to Frank and he was like, that should actually be a thing. It would be called Peeve. Peeve. Yep. And when you sign up for the app, you input all of your pet peeves and then you also input all of your bad habits and then it matches you with people that don't have the habits that are your pet peeves so like if you don't like loud chewers if somebody's aware and they're like i'm a loud chewer you won't see that person because a pet peeve can really ruin a relationship oh yeah

yeah i think that i stand by that you know what i think this would be a good app for people with like sensory absolutely yeah absolutely app that's the next dating app oh my god um absolutely is uh all of the it's for all of the people who have been banned from other apps for being shitty you guys can all go there yeah instead of sending you to your own planet we're sending you to your own app yeah and that's compromise i mean for what else are we gonna do those are the only two options yeah it's either that or trash island yeah we send them to the trash patch which is tinder it is i do think it would be a good idea to put all the terrible people onto the trash patch in the ocean yeah yeah you know honestly make use of it yeah since we're having a hard time

getting rid of it you know and those are the kind of people who are they just really want an excuse for shit to like turn into mad max you know yeah like why are you so thirsty for kind of like an end of the world situation yeah it does also feel like those are the type of people that like really love boats so like you get to be on the water when you're on trash patch there's so many kinds of people who love boats though yeah but it's like the people that like really unless you're a dad like you're probably obnoxious about boats I don't think I've ever met someone who really loves boats so I I don't know it's just because everyone listen for the most part I haven't met anybody who doesn't like to be on a boat in the sun I hate being on a boat in the sun so to

but it's because on a nice day we get motion sick yeah so we're like the exception do you like to go fast on a boat though um yes okay I really do I love a pontoon okay I love I love like a pontoon in terms of like i love next dating app boats and hoes boats and hoes girls who are gold diggers looking for boat daddies honestly there are dudes that are trying to pimp themselves out via their boat and listen we have we have an audience for you we are connecting people who are looking for each other and this is what happens when you work in marketing um you're like how can i make this product useful for a very specific type of person yeah it's beautiful honestly this is a four-year degree at work we can have one big app to rule them all yeah and that's called monopoly

the one app it owns all of the other little apps um that get all these niche people together yeah you know that's us it sounds like dating apps have gotten pretty shitty it does sound that way they've been shitty oh my god wait i'm this isn't i just got a new spot i just got a new sponsor but i want to talk about it because it's actually such a dope idea and i'm so excited about it and this this conversation isn't sponsored so well i'm curious now but it's this app called riz that it's you have you can like date on it or you can be a spectator so like people will have conversations spectate dude you have to join this app it's so good it's um you like have little like back and forths uh audio it's all voice and then we rate the riz yeah you can you can go through

and listen and you can like vote or you can follow the conversation anonymous riz rating yeah oh my god i'm pretty sure i haven't actually riz rated yet but as someone who is just a lover of love i want to rate the riz it's so good these people you get to like listen to these people flirting and like follow the conversation so you get updates whenever one of them replies like it's really good and these people are like they have riz these these people are going back and forth like kind of like ripping each other it's so fun i love this so i'm excited about it this also sounds like um an app that uh mr liz would hate but love yeah oh absolutely yeah he it would be a situation where he'd tell me to download it and then i would keep him updated i'd be like

hey come listen to this that's he's using me as a filter that's part of the beauty of having a girlfriend i think it's true yeah yeah it's like he gets the best of the best yeah the creme de la creme he he's sitting here wasting his fucking time on reels like a loser and then he gets to come home to his beautiful girlfriend who has been laying on the couch for the last two weeks and sourcing the best content for his eyes you should get paid honestly i'm giving the listeners is some homework your homework is to watch season one of girls on HBO oh my god first of all um and then directly send me your thoughts because I just love like hearing other people's opinions on stuff totally it's interesting yeah and then your other homework is to do one nice thing for

a stranger those are great homework assignments yeah and that's also a homework assignment for myself me too I'm gonna take that homework assignment I think that's a good thing good thing to do i had so much free time the last couple of weeks so i just like ended up doing like things to help people a little bit more than i normally would because you get so lost in your own like world of like well i need to remember that i have to do this thing for my stupid little job that's not gonna matter in a year no totally i mean it's there truly are not enough hours in the day unless you like slow down and like obviously a lot of people don't have those that privilege but like you know like just if you have the space to slow down and just like

breathe there's so many good things that you could be doing for yourself and for people around you it's really it's nice and it's also just like it just feels good if you have the privilege to do something nice for another person yeah but even just like complimenting someone yeah that's a good way to do something nice for a stranger whenever anybody compliments me in in public i'm like yeah well because i you know you think you think those nice things so often yeah and it's like oh i should have said that nice thing why didn't i think to say that out loud totally yeah so just say it yeah say it say the nice thing i try and i try and remind myself in real time to say the nice thing yeah i mean it's a good isn't it weird how it can get a little

overwhelming you're like why do i feel nervous to tell this person that i like their pants yeah well because it's like you don't want somebody to be mean but you don't know this person so it's like it's like what if they're like thanks then you have to deal with like this feeling of rejection if someone was rude to me like that i'd be like yeah you need that compliment you're miserable you clearly needed that compliment because you're not a very happy person someone's rude to you for a compliment there was no warning for this fight night that's now going down straight up jumped right on top of goodness gracious you guys are brothers relax and they're both boys oh the quiz okay all right well do we need a um should we just like go back to our roots and do

like our normal it's been it's been a sec yeah yeah we can do that i'm gonna play the flute that was a beautiful a beautiful flute thank you that was i'm i blacked out i did too that was so transcending i have an experience and i played the flute i know it was amazing thank you i wow i'm speechless all right we love you bye