The Hoely Hour - E50 Sex Is Cool But Jesus Is Cooler

Episode Date: July 30, 2021

Crack my neck daddy! Why are chiropractors all hot but also sexual? Update: a hymen is meaningless and scientifically useless. Have you lost your squirtginity? A cishet listener shares his love of crossdressing, and Amelia and Liz share vows with each other in honor of their 50TH EPISODE! Join our hot girl book club and read Come As You Are with us! Subscribe to our Patreon to discuss it with us! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

um but when i was a kid a group of daddy long legs just one daddy long legs just one daddy long one daddy long leg what's the plural of daddy long leg spider daddy long legs daddy long leg spiders welcome to the holy hour i'm amelia samson and i'm liz ball fuck yes we got it on the first time first fucking after fucking it up for like the last three weeks straight um i am looking at my recently repotted monstera look at it oh my god that leaf she like was like hey i'm stretching out here i am right after i it's like put her in a bigger pot yeah she's very happy to be there and then i love this one what is that a game boy it's bemo

um from adventure time oh mr liz got me that and then i found the perfect little plant to put in him oh my god didn't you name the plant bemo um the one right next to it is actually named bemo oh yeah so now i have two bemo plans that's a very very cute pot thanks uh it's 3d printed and we're gonna paint what we're gonna paint the bemo so it isn't just one color 3d printing is one of those things that i still feel like 90 years old you know when you show like a 90 year old how to send an email and they're like whoa like that's how i feel about 3d printing i'm just never gonna stop thinking it is i don't understand it the fact that like when those first came out everybody was like so mind blown and now people just like casually have 3d printers in their house

is mind-blowing to me yeah and they just make stuff and sell it on etsy what the fuck yeah amazing he's it pays pretty great not great news a hot dermatologist and a hot chiropractor chiropractors are hot have you noticed that yeah i went to a hot chiropractor in college because i fucked up my back trying to get my car out of the snow and um like he was like he had like his hands were like very he didn't have oil it was like a gel on his hands and um he had to undo my bra because he didn't want to get it dirty and i was like oh i can scent oh my god take me with xenophobe yeah he was fine oh god yeah there is something about somebody like why is this this is unlocking a fantasy like some sort of like doctor like sex fantasy

it's a fun imagination manhandle you chiropractors oh maybe that was like the early phases of like bdsm interest maybe that's when i realized oh i'm a sub thrown around by my chiropractor yeah he my chiropractor was like telling me crack my neck daddy he was he was explaining all the muscle groups to me and he was like touching them while he was explaining them to me and then he like kind of giving me asmr on the on the lower back he like said he had a lot to say it wasn't like he wasn't like hitting on me but his hand was on my lower back for a while and i was like oh my god so you have a tiktok i saw of this guy like making fun of chiropractors and he was using a like a skeleton oh my god yeah and he like puts his entire hand and

and then he's like holding and he's like you can only let a chiropractor do this don't let anyone else touch you like this only i can he was like straddling yeah he's like oh yeah that feels good huh are chiropractors just like daddy dogs i think they are there is there's a trend of hot chiropractors on tiktok they and like it's they're always doing some sort of like sensual thrusting like wow they're not like not purposefully but it's like that's why they have as big of an audience as they yeah nobody's just like watching chiropractors on tiktok i mean they are the the the kind of popping is just that's true it's like dr pimple popper yeah

it's the same kind of thing i feel less like when i watch the pimple popping videos i'm like ah i hate it but i can't stop watching what is that about get it out get it they're just so satisfying they really really are are people like getting ingrown hairs that are like 10 years old oh my god mr liz had an ingrown hair on his chin that he was trying to pop and like get the hair out and then i was watching him and i stood on the toilet while he was looking in the mirror and i was like this is exhilarating this is the best moment of my life of our relationship to date and then i was like can i try and get it and he's like sure so i was like trying to get it um i think i got a big part of it he was i it like was hurting him

they hurt well and if like someone else is touching you and trying to take care of that it's way worse because when you do it you're like yeah wow do you have an ingrown hair tell us more he's like i feel excluded from this conversation because i don't have hair i wonder if it if it would be like you know how like um cats sit on your computer because they're marrying you yeah i wonder if i gave him a microphone if he would stop that would be so goddamn cute um so everybody we are on our 50th episode today liz and i did not notice until it like was two seconds ago like a few days ago we were like holy shit we're on episode 50 yeah and this is the last episode that we're recording before we take our much needed break

through august which i'm having all sorts of anxiety about me too i truly i think i said this last episode but i feel like we're leaving the kids with a babysitter for the first time are you gonna be okay call me if you need anything but we've been trying to figure out what we're gonna do in that yeah space so if you have any ideas for us let us know we're not like abandoning the pod for a month we're just not gonna record for a month but we'll still be like posting and shit yeah we lizzie needs a break lizzie's been working so hard at work work and then this and i just need to take a nap yeah just even thinking about it it's and then you're about to move it's a good time for us to take a little time off just doing

too many things right now and this is like the thing that i prioritize above a lot of other stuff that is now just like stacking up so it'll be good to have a month just to like get ahead of some stuff yeah but i'm gonna miss doing this and i'm feeling very uncomfy we'll have some stuff to do we'll have some things we're like working on some pretty exciting things right now like um admin wise for the holy hour fingers crossed we'll see say some slutty prayers for us yes say some slutty prayers for us so i wanted to do a little follow-up on something we talked about last week we like started talking about hymens and i recently bought the book come as you are um and the beginning of the book the author is explaining like our biological like reproductive

system how it is the same part we all have the same parts um whether you were born like male or female that's what you were assigned at birth like they're all the same things they're just rearranged differently they're organized differently and the author like really drives that home she's like it's the same fucking thing it's just in a different order and then like um um she explains that like a hymen serves no purpose it's just like left over from like um because you weren't born with a penis got it so it's just like a leftover like flap of skin it's useless okay and then um she was explaining how like we want our bodies to have meaning like we want it to make sense like okay well why is my body like this and yours is

different and um that's like why religion can be so problematic when it comes to like how they treat women's bodies like because vaginas are like mostly inside because that's where you carry the baby they have to be inside yeah that's why they're there that's why they're internal yeah and um she was explaining how uh like if it's tucked in it means that you should be ashamed of it like so women have to protect their bodies and men's are just out there their penis is out there never thought about it like yeah and then she was explaining how like the implied meaning of a hymen is so damaging like some people are just some people are born without one and oh yeah and like sometimes it can be like stuck there forever but um she also was explaining how like damaging like

the idea of um like the the religious reason behind a hymen like the idea that like if you don't bleed during sex for the first time like you're not a virgin and you had mentioned that and that's something that we talked about last week and then um you can have like one like surgically added and that doesn't make any sense because it's not like it doesn't serve a purpose just so you could prove that you have one that you aren't a virgin and then like most of the time if you bleed it's because there isn't any lubricant involved like when you bleed the first time yeah because it's straight i've bled during sex with like a a penis that is too big because of the stretching like it makes sense that that would happen i it is so fucking disgusting the

more that i think about it the angrier i get about how virginity is weaponized in a lot of religions that it's a it's like a structure like it doesn't mean anything really virginity doesn't mean any we are the only animals that hold any sort of importance on virginity yeah and it's it just it's so they use it as a weapon to give young girls shame yeah i've never been a part of a church but it feels so unbalanced maybe in some religions it's like i feel like mormonism like everybody needs to stay a virgin like trying to apply like some deeper level of meaning and purpose to your body like it makes sense humans want to do that but it is damaging um it's damaging to your mental health you're gonna have a lot of things that you need to like cope with as you

get older because of those ideas around sex i also wanted to say she also mentions um like different types of arousal like if you you can be like mentally aroused like you can be ready but you're you might not be wet and that doesn't mean anything that doesn't mean that you're not going to enjoy it or you could like not feel interested in sex until you are like physically being aroused and then you're like ready to go and involved and excited to be there so um I've only just started reading this book and I'm really excited to read it because I think it's going to be really valuable for like me as a person who is having sex and in a relationship and um I think it'll also be valuable to bring this information to our listeners yeah absolutely and we would like

to invite you guys to read along with us because um amelia has the book as well and we're thinking while we're taking a break we can like do a little bit of light reading yeah and break down some of like the most important parts of this book summer reading we are probably going to be holding the conversation on patreon as well i know hiding this shit behind a paywall is frustrating we're not getting paid for doing any of this so it's how we're able to give you all what we want to um so if you're interested in joining our little book club you also get early access to episodes hot girl book club hot girl book club baby yeah my uh one of my guy friends is the one who introduced me to the book he started reading it because um he just wanted to understand

like a female like how how the women that he was having sex with were viewing sex which i think is a very noble approach for no reason he was just like i just wanted to like get a look into a woman's brain and so he read it and he's like it turned me into a better partner in bed he's like i'm so much more tuned into what's going on i don't like overthink shit like the whole like arousal thing like you could be into it and not be like your body could not show that you're into it and like and also to believe that only people with vaginas can get wet like so do you like uncircumcised men yeah and then um i also thought it was very interesting like there's a lot of diagrams like showing where body parts develop in when you're in a uterus like how it is the same

and then how it starts to develop differently um but with the same parts just seeing how they're like the same things just like laid out differently yeah and then uh just the author is really funny just explaining like i want you to get a mirror and like look at your clit and observe it observe your clitoris um and i don't know it's just been an interesting read so far i'm glad that you're liking it yeah it's really i love the title come as you are is such a great title and the the cover is a coin purse that looks like a vagina yes love that um it's on amazon that's where i got it where did you get yours i got mine at powell's oh yeah i was in portland i was in portland this last weekend i bought it at uh powell's bookstore yeah i'm sure it's not like barnes and noble

does barnes and noble still exist i have no idea i hope it does i love that r.i.p borders oh my god don't you love how amazon killed the bookstore and then opened their own Fuck you, Jeff Bezos. They were the bookstore. They started out as a bookstore. Yeah. And then they killed the brick and mortar bookstore. Yeah.

And then they opened their own fucking bookstore. As someone who worked in brick and mortar retail, I do hate it. Totally. But like a bookstore, that's like a pillar. There's something that feels nice about going to a bookstore. Yeah. I don't even read, really. I fucking love going to bookstores.

RIP to the bookstore. Fuck you, Jeff Bezos. Last episode, we talked about Squirt. the drink and the action of and i said i didn't know if i had squirted but there was always like not always sometimes there would be a wet spot on the bed the day after we recorded i'm happy to let everybody know i squirted it happened i squirted and i didn't know but like the orgasm felt stronger like it felt like more intense like it yeah it felt yeah more intense that's a good way to put it and

he made me come twice and then after that he was like i made you squirt what'd you say must be nice it was he's he's a talented chap um but after the second time he was like i made you squirt a little bit on the first one and i was like what i was like really fucking hyped no way he was like yeah i was like oh my god explain it to me and he was like well you can see on the bed and there was that wet spot and i was like okay so when i see that that's probably what i thought it was all along um but it's been squirt all this time it's been since day one it's been squirt it was very exciting for me i had so many questions for him um but yeah it happened and it made a liar out at me because on the last episode i was like i don't think i've ever done that then the next

day thank you i feel like i lost my virginity you lost your squirt virginity squirt squirt genity squirt genity virgin nerd virgin art no well it's a work it's a working title we'll revisit that one but um yes so that's my little update from last episode very exciting time in my life thank you for listening squirtinity squirtinity we got it wow that happened a lot faster than I thought it would that was great squirtinity huh yeah tell us your squirtinity stories I have I talked to one of my friends years ago about the first time that she saw like noticed that she squirts and she made herself squirt masturbating and it was like one of her first times masturbating so she was like young and she's like what the

fuck is that and like i was thinking about how jarring it would be to like not know what the fuck was going on like if you didn't like did i just pee i mean so many of us have no idea what the fuck's going on that's why i'm reading this book read it guys i'm really excited to dig into that book i forgot that i had it until you brought it up yeah my therapist actually suggested it to me and then she also was like i think this would be really valuable for your listeners and like also just for me if like i'm talking about sex so positively and proactively written by a phd too i'll pop another drink to that are you on drink number two yeah wow yeah i don't know what's happening i really blasted

through that first one yeah you're slurping through these i think it's because i switched to the um like the fruit punch truly's and they were awful and now that i'm back to normal truly it's like i'm having water for the first time ever um what oh okay okay uh i have a question for you okay i was pulling on my notes um would lightning mcqueen from cars have car insurance or life insurance fuck life insurance that's what i was thinking too but but i think car insurance is life insurance when you're lightning the queen and mater mater doesn't have either let's be real no he doesn't he has no insurance no he has no insurance but also like insurance is a scam a little bit yeah mater's made it this long he doesn't need he doesn't need a fucking insurance

he's the one doing the maintenance that's true he doesn't need to be maintenanced because he is the maintenance fuck yeah wow deep we love you mater mater if you're listening with lightning queen of life insurance or car insurance oh i think life i think life insurance is my final answer uh let us know what you guys think i'm gonna make it a poll i think make it a poll for sure okay um i have a question for you um it's also kind of irrelevant but i want to hear your answer what order do you get dressed um that is such a good question what order do i get dressed in i literally have no idea uh bra bra first i'm typically not wearing a bra okay so that i need to put one on

okay um well you're coming out of the shower oh if i'm coming out of the shower probably underwear first okay bra okay uh shirt pants and then socks yeah from if i need them okay interesting what do you do i do underwear pants bra shirt interesting yeah i go in sections yeah and then socks yeah i was thinking about this when i was getting dressed to come here i was like because people always say i'm just like you i put my pants one leg at a time and i'm like but everybody puts their clothes on in different orders it's true that podcast frdi that i talked about last week they asked um cakes asked nick the question also i'm like low-key working on like a crossover event clearly it's like the

fifth time i've talked about this podcast they're great but they asked this question and um cakes puts his socks on first why is he a serial killer that was like nick's reaction was like no what it's just so interesting how people oh my god wait pause you can see the the moon coming over and it's about to be a full moon yeah tomorrow is tomorrow is a full moon in aquarius it's the age of wait and we're in leo season i'm an aquarius moon does that mean anything um probably but i don't know and i'm a little rising and we're in leo season so you're you might have a big few weeks we have so hyped i need a big few weeks yeah hopefully they're good fuck i'm moving next weekend yeah see holy shit y'all i'm so

fucking excited okay wow it's re it's rising fast look at how much it's gone up since i pointed it out wait can we just like take a moment to appreciate let's enjoy this the moon is such a boss bitch look at her she's just like what's up bitches i she's commanding attention yeah this has been on my list for so fucking long it's a short conversation oh i talked to you about it but we haven't talked about it on here i matched with a guy on a dating app like a year or so ago and um he was about to move here from michigan so we never met but like we were like following each other on Instagram and like we're talking about meeting up when he moved here um and then for whatever reason it didn't happen but we like stayed in touch and then I got a message from him

one morning and he was like oh my god how do you know xyz like one of my girlfriends and I was like she's she's a friend of mine why and then I noticed that he had unfollowed me and removed me as a follower and I was like when you said she's one of my friends before that like I sent that and then I looked and I saw that he had removed me and I was like did you remove me as a follower and he was like he was like yeah I was panicking about like her maybe seeing that we knew each other and I was like why what's the deal I was like did you guys hook up like what's you know and he was like no we matched on this app that was um for people looking for three ways and um I was freaked out that she would make the connection that I know you and I was like I

don't know you though a b why is that weird like why would that be weird yeah it's not like you're trying to marry this girl you know um and so it was I was thinking about like how sophomoric it to be in your late 20s and be like well i had to i can't show this person that i'm following this person this stranger that i'm following this other stranger because i want to fuck this other stranger that is shady as fuck and i couldn't think of a reason why that should be an issue and like is that not the biggest red flag like the fact that i can't figure out why that would be his course of action like i feel like there's something shady going on with this guy i mean it's just a childish way to handle something right and then he requested to follow me again no i he he

followed me and he was on private so i'd have to request to follow him and i never did so i was like fuck you i don't fucking i don't even know you like i don't care and then he unfollowed me and that was the last that i heard from him but it's just such a it's so immature like i can't think of a reason why you would need to do that it well and then to also freak out that like you were gonna find out i yeah it doesn't make any sense no and i i messaged her about it he was like don't message her about it and i was like fuck you i'm missing her about it so i'm not sure to be like don't message her about it yeah hold on i actually think i still have those messages i should read hey can i gatekeep your friendship i said girl this guy his name that i matched with

on hinge a while back messaged me asking how i know you because you matched on some dating app and i realized he removed me as a follower and i asked why and he said he panicked and didn't want you to see that we knew each other anyway that feels immature and sketchy as fuck so i wanted to flag it for you she said what the fuck this is so random yeah we matched on tinder i think and i mean i already know at this point it was a three-way app i'm like you don't need to tell me that um i think and had a casual kick conversation but then i just stopped responding because i got strange and desperate boy vibes um he was saying shit to her like oh my god you're a yo this is a screenshot of the conversation you're a yogi i'd love to fuck you in one of those

gorgeous baths because she takes a lot of selfies in her bathroom how do you know amelia lmao she never answered and then he said anyway i'd be down to grab a drink or something if you are let me know never answered texted her again hey do you want to hang out wait i want to see this i hate him yeah he sucks he's really hot and he's really smart and he has a good job but he's fucking sucks oh yeah oh my god wait this is all coming back to me now this is the guy that was like if you and i ever hang out i'm gonna make you sign an nda so you don't talk about me on your podcast fuck you look at us now bitch um so she ended up not giving him her real number because she was getting a bad vibe from him yeah and i have the screenshot of our conversation

i have a very weird question lmao i said go ahead he said how do you know my friend don't text her lmao it's super strange i'll explain well well tbh not that strange i said um i said how we know each other and they said okay okay i said what a jump to go from super strange to it's not strange he said well i don't know how to put it we matched on a three-way app and noticed that we both follow you i said oh what app also did you remove me as a follower why am i not following you anymore he said yeah i panicked my b it's a three-way app i got curious he he i said you panicked that we would that she would see that we knew each other he said yeah people are skittish anyway add this to your holy hour experiences um and then i said i hope it goes well with her and he said nothing

is gonna go lol those apps are all talk and then i just never answered him and that was the last that we talked also i've heard kick is like really sus is it i don't know i saw i saw some a reddit post where i was like oh i found my partner like talking to someone on kick and then they were like kick is disgusting like the comments were like kick is like don't be on there oh no yeah so i don't know that's good to know stay away from kick yeah if your partner's on kick they might be cheating on you very strange don't be sketchy and weird just like it i feel like people acting sus because they think that somebody's gonna think that they're sus just makes you look more sus yeah it's like apologizing for things you don't need to apologize for it makes people

and like it's probably more like it probably makes you more sus in a different kind of way yeah i'm like what the fuck is the deal dude like dodged a bullet i don't know uh you have an interesting um list well okay i'll read my like listener message yeah first i'll i'll just give you so she sent it to me in a bunch of different messages but i'll just give you an a recap of it okay um so a listener wrote to us she is 21 she like hasn't been having like a ton of luck on dating apps and um she's like new to the city she just moved to and she is a yoga instructor and then she met a really nice guy who was also already a yoga instructor and he like helped her out like when her phone died and i think her like phone just like broke and she needed to get a new

one like she just needed to get a burner phone so he like took her and helped her out since she couldn't like navigate anywhere because she didn't know where she was um and then uh she asked for his phone number um and then he was like they exchanged numbers and then he was like can i take you to dinner next time i you're in town so next time she's in town they like go out to dinner and he's like grabbing her waist and she was like it was the best date i've ever been on like they were um hanging out until like the place they were at like kicked them out because they were closing so then he like walked her to her car and he was like grabbing her waist and he's like this is like so hard for me and then she's like what do you mean he's like well i'm

married and you're like so hot oh and then she's like i'm 21 so i didn't even think to look at his ring finger yeah and then she was like um he was like now you're like not gonna talk to me again and then she was like mad at him and like left and then she's like do you think i should like give him a chance should i hear this guy out yeah and then i was like fuck no like do not talk to this man ever again because i also think like i think it's really disrespectful that he like put it on her to give him the go-ahead to cheat on his wife if she was like it can be our little secret he totally would have been like okay i'm gonna cheat on my wife with you yep yeah there are so many ways that this could have been okay and this was the old really the only way that it wouldn't

have been is that he wasn't either he's not being open with her that he has an open marriage which is disrespectful to put that on her when they're already on a date it doesn't sound like it doesn't sound but say that he did that's still disrespectful but then also to cheat on his wife is fucked yeah if he would have just set it up front because i'm all for open marriages if that's the agreement that y'all have or if you participate in polyamory or ethical non-monogamy whatever but if you're not being open with both parties you're it's fucked up yeah it's fucked up do not give this guy another chance no because say it works out magically with y'all and it's great he's gonna do the same thing to you yeah people that are capable of this kind of shit i don't

believe in once a year always this year i don't believe in that in a lot of cases but when somebody is like this extreme to be on a dating app and go on a date when they're they weren't on a dating app oh right right right yep she had no luck on dating apps that's why my mind was there but to go out with this guy when you know to agree to go on a date with somebody in public right it's and i just like i feel like i see this kind of shit all the time it's so fucking annoying well because like you and i have both been in circumstances like that on more than one occasion. And it made me think about, um, a guy I had dated who, so I was in a wedding and he was also in a wedding and he like was chasing after me. Like I was like, I was with Mr. Liz, still

am with Mr. Liz. And he was like talking to me, he's married now. And was, we were just like catching up and he was like i just like don't know what to do because i'm like still so attracted to you and i'm like well fucking duh like of course like the things you liked about me before still exist like and that's another case of putting it on you to give him yeah and then he was just like being like very he was he was crossing some lines and i just wasn't being reactive and i was like i'm gonna leave i'm gonna remove myself from the situation and then um i avoided him the next day too because i was just like i'm not gonna deal with this like he caused a lot of drama that night too so i but like just thinking about it too he was like yeah i don't think i was like oh so like

are you guys like gonna start planning a family like you know just typical conversation like how did you meet your wife blah blah blah like i genuinely wanted to know yeah and um we hadn't talked in like a few years so I don't know what he's up to and then um he was like I actually don't want kids and then I was like oh well you know everyone can make their own choice I just was surprised because that wasn't what he had told me when we were dating so but you're allowed to change your mind so I was like oh okay and that was that and then um he race his wife recently announced that they're expecting a baby so he's just like saying this shit to me like because he's trying to distance himself from his wife and i just like i see this kind of shit all the time

and it is so infuriating because i think that men also experience like being pressured into marriage and stuff and having a family before they've like fully thought this out yeah and um like it sucks that all of us are put in that position but i just it's so fucking annoying to see it's just like if you're not ready just don't get married just don't do it and if you like if you're like i don't know if i want to be with this person forever just let them go it's gonna be fine it doesn't matter how long you've been with them like if you just like because that's that person's life too it's not just about you and i can't i don't know anybody that would rather have their significant other lie about wanting to be with them rather than just being

honest and like the temporary pain of like getting broken up with is so much better than the long term pain of realizing that somebody was just with you because they like pitied you like fuck that or because they were like I can make this work and I don't think that I definitely don't think that men are guilty of that all the time like I think women do that a lot too of like yeah oh I'm feeling the pressure of like society and my family to get married and have kids before age 30 yeah so I'm just going to settle with someone who has enough of the qualities I like and we'll work with it you know yeah I mean I was guilty of that with my ex for a while like I was so unhappy in that relationship and I just like didn't want the temporary pain of being of

breaking up with him and I didn't want to hurt him and in the long term it you hurt the other person yeah you both are suffering and hurting your yourselves yeah and each other i don't know i just can't it's just annoying then you got hit on by that married guy at the bar we ended up finding didn't he follow you back no oh i unfollowed him pretty fast yeah i unfollowed him pretty fast after my investigation and then i hooked up with that buried guy by accident i just i really truly cannot and then like how many like married guys do you know that you're like i don't think you should be married like a lot yeah a lot i can think of a handful off the top of my head that i'm like uh but it made me think of like a made-up um reductress headline

that i would write which is just like wow the couple you thought would get divorced is having a baby you tweeted that i saw it so fucking good like i've seen that happen a handful of times you're like this shit is not gonna work because that person is like not stable yeah that person should not be in a relationship with another person that person needs to be alone and like working on themselves yeah fuck god i've gotten so much i was talking to squints about this last night how beneficial it is to just be alone yep when you need it and not try to mask your problems with being in a relationship or jumping from relationship to relationship and i'm all for like if this feels right for you to do you know yourself best but like there is so much benefit

in just being alone and like like it's easier to stay true to yourself in the future like in future relationships once you've spent that time alone because i don't know like it it can be very easy when you feel lost like to be like well i guess i can change this about myself for this person yeah i don't know i know and then when you're like in a relationship or you're like dating when you're not in a place to be dating you do stupid shit like remove people as followers just in case their friend sees that you are a mutual friend it's like i don't understand immature shit like just figure yourself out i don't understand why people make life so complicated sometimes it doesn't need to be that way it really doesn't i don't know i'm trying to

think of like a good example of what i mean i'm getting just like caught up in like money and like drama and i don't know and i'm saying that as someone who would like to have more money fuck i want more money so bad and just don't want to worry about it me too i think that's what i it's not like i want to like i want to like fall out and buy a bunch of like diamonds or something i don't know just like oh yeah i just if i need to take a month off of work i can do that my god yeah i want to have fuck you money in the way that i want to like buy a round of drinks for like everybody that exactly that kind of fuck you money and or like if you see a gift for that you you're like oh i think this person would really like this and for no special reason to just buy

it because it's right yeah for them i don't know that's yeah that's the kind of fuck you money i mind me too i don't want like six mansions kind of fucking money you go into space for 10 minutes fucking jeff bezos this is an anti-jeff bezos episode slash entire podcast fuck you jeff bezos i have not read this yet but we got an email about a topic that liz and i are both not very well versed on um and i think that it would be interesting to at least start this conversation so that if anybody that's listening has experience with this or any stories then we can have a further conversation down the line do you think you'll be able to talk about this at all we'll read it and then we'll see what kind of discourse i have no idea what you're about to read i have

oh you don't no cross-dressing i didn't read it i haven't read it either this is the first time we're both reading this but it's about cross-dressing okay girl this is from um one of our male listeners growing up i had a best friend that i was with all the time we were always at each other's houses and oftentimes we would be alone we typically would just play video games then we started to make little bets on who would win and then loser had to do something that the other person said one time when I lost I said he had to wear a pair of his mom's underwear it was a thong and yes they were from the clean laundry lol important distinction after it was put after I put it on something about that just really seemed right to me it was like a mixture of comfort

and being naughty at the same time I had to wear them for the rest of the night it started then when I'd go over to his house I'd make an excuse to go to the bathroom and I'd find a pair of his mom's thong and put them on to wear even without being asked we continued playing games and making bets and me knowing where it would go I started to purposefully lose the games and every time I did he'd tell me to add something else so it started with adding the bra then adding a skirt or a dress and all of that just felt right to me there did turn to some sexualness between the two of us that if you want to hear that part as well that carried on until high school then I was able to buy my own stuff and obviously I couldn't wear the female clothes to school but I'd often have

a thong and sometimes a garter and stockings underneath my regular clothes at least on days I didn't have gym that's kind of the origin of how this all started and carried on to adulthood if you want to hear more um so this male listener is um a cis heterosexual male who is married to a woman um so he's not like having any sort of um he's not questioning his gender or anything but he feels like himself and comfortable wearing women's underwear and women's clothes without people knowing and I don't think I've really ever put a lot of thought into that being a thing that people do but like of course it is you know like it's all so fluid and on a spectrum and I think i've just never thought about how maybe cis men would feel good wearing women's clothes sometimes

it's always a structure and it's all societal so why not yeah you know i totally agree like um i don't know clothes are just clothes it's how you express yourself and this is just like another form of self-expression i like i don't know i've always kind of felt like that yeah i feel the same way about like gender and identity but just seeing how like genitalia is the same thing and none of us decide like how we are when we're born like why do we why are people born and then we make them be a thing why does it have to be that way and why does it matter to other people yeah that's the part that i struggle with the most yes i'm like like when people are so upset about trans folks i'm like why do you fucking care so much it's not affecting you in any fucking way

no it's like candace owens tweeted something about demi lovato using they them pronouns and she was like it's not grammatically correct let's stop promoting anti-academia in america something stupid like that she is the dumbest shut the fuck up she's so dumb i don't there are very few women in this world that i'm like you're a fucking idiot and candace owens is one of them did you see the like um very socialist tweet she had about like the vaccine she's like why is the vaccine free if it's life-saving like why if it's if it'll save your life how come things like insulin um and other life-saving drugs are so expensive based yeah i was like and then she was like boom got him like like i was like how fucking stupid do you have to be

to think that like um drugs are only life-saving if they're obscenely overpriced and inaccessible like i don't know anyways she i i can't fucking stand candace owens and oh we're on kanye when we're recording this kanye is releasing a new album tomorrow big deal it's his first one in years but um candace owens and kanye were seen like hanging out on like that tracks that makes sense okay so um all that to say I do not I understand why somebody that might like cross dressing would be uncomfortable with it and I think a lot of it is societal and this is coming from me who doesn't cross dress who's cis and straight and I don't know what this experience is but not being able to like tie that kind of behavior to a sexuality must be uncomfortable

like it's a it's also like confusing to me it's obnoxious that there's anything like like any sort of behavior tied to like uh sexual orientation yeah or and the way like that you dress or look or present yourself it's just like how come everything like can't people just exist without you like analyzing them and picking them apart and that's also like for the individual themselves like yeah you because of how society is and like the rules that society has set up for us is like if i'm feeling this way this must mean xyz when in reality it can just be what it is like it could just be that you just like cross-dressing and this listener who i'm i don't know if he's doing that kind of questioning or whatever of like what does this mean but I'm sure

that there are some people that are into things that would be like what society has deemed as gay yeah that are uncomfortable with it because they're they aren't and they're feeling like they're being held to like that yeah so I think that's important to talk about and that's why I want to like have more conversations about this because it's not something that's on my radar at all yeah cross-dressing is one of those things that like conservatives have been like oh trans folk they're just cross-dressers and it's like that's not the same thing so i haven't even thought about cross-dressing like i've just kind of like blocked that verbiage out of my mind oh it's like this is how i felt about gay marriage before gay marriage was legalized like why the

fuck does what somebody else does affect you in any way that's i just can't get over it just let people use the pronouns that they want marry who they want dress how they want they're not who they want like if you are not hurting anyone what what's the problem like let them be happy in their relationship and in their own body like what is so bad about someone loving their own body yes does not make any sense to me it doesn't and that's why i want like you have to hate conversation with somebody that disagrees with us because i think there's a lot of value in hearing the other side i don't agree with you and i think you're very wrong but i want to have a conversation to understand during the election i watched a lot of fox news just to fucking understand it was painful

i still have nightmares it was awful but i wanted to see what the other side was hearing it was garbage and all lies but i but it's important to hear the other side i agree i i don't think everyone should like have the same opinions on everything all the time because if that were how life was like i don't i don't know you need to like learn and yeah question things totally um and i think that there's there's a lot of benefit in allowing somebody to have a conversation for the potential to grow because if you if you want to put energy into educating people that's everyone i also think like um the ideas of like liberal and conservative like i think it's become so extreme and people are just screaming at each other and if they weren't they

would realize that they're on the same page about a lot of stuff yeah yeah which is really frustrating like if you just like weren't screaming at each other for a little bit like you'd probably realize you have some of the same opinions that's like candace owens whole socialist tweet i'm putting you on the spot here but we did talk about it previously because it was our 50th episode i texted liz this morning and said should we write each other vows for our 50th and then both of us got too busy so we wanted to improv some vows for each other okay for our 50th episode okay wow this is gonna get real real yeah do you want to start because that yeah i'm nervous um will you throw some like very quiet wedding music um in the background in the background of this all

right cue the music liz ever since the okay i gotta pull it together i've gotta get really serious pull out the acting amelia yep Ken character. Liz, since the day that I met you. I'm gonna fake cry. Okay, okay. I knew that we would create something special together. And here we are. 50 episodes later. Are we renewing our vows? We're renewing our vows. Okay, okay. I'm so happy that we are reconnecting to um renew the vows that we made to each other 50 episodes ago over a year and i'm here to promise you in our vows that i will stand by you in sickness and in health to provide the best

top-notch amateur sexual knowledge to our beloved audience i will always put our friendship above all else regardless of the business i'm turning into a youth pastor sex is cool but you know what's cooler jesus not sex you know why jesus didn't have sex we don't know that he did he was hanging out with a prostitute okay I vow to put our friendship above all else um

uh I continue this phenomenal communication that we have had of which we put our health and our mental health and our well being above all else for the remainder

of our time here together amen let us pray Amen. Let's grab your other hand. Let us pray. Okay. Okay. All right, Liz.

Yours are going to be better. I hate this. Amelia Samson. Yes, Liz. I was so blessed when you came to me several times proposing a podcast. And that you weren't joking. I wasn't. um i promise to beat the shit out of all of your childhood bullies reese charlie maddie yeah

um uh i will always wash the cum out of your hair oh thank you you're welcome i need it all and i uh can i promise to continue this equal partnership that we've built that is like symbiotic and beautiful and um I love that we care about each other as people and um our friendship comes before the podcast yeah this is getting emotional yeah why are your vows better than mine no I just started to uh think about the things I appreciate about you and the pod i love you i love you too episode 50 50 more we're gonna go fucking ham on episode 100 episode 100 well and we're gonna get there faster than we did because we took a few breaks yeah so we're going balls to the wall also this is not counting the

new testament episodes too no somebody tweeted us about one of the new testament episodes and i was like i forgot about those and literally remember when we thought we'd have time to do two a week what the fuck are you thinking that was also like very deep in the pandemic when yeah nothing was going on big lonely but i mean like so r.i.p to the new testament but glad that y'all listened to them listen to them now we're on patreon i'm looking at the camera slipping a boob out a boob has been slipped i'll show you the mole i got removed so i guess it's no longer normal, but it's a big, gnarly wound right now. Liz had a big day. I did. It was emotionally draining. It was. They gave me a stress ball because I was shaking. Oh, they gave you a

stress ball? That's a good doctor. She was so cute. My God, my doctors would be like, suck the fuck up. She was like, do you want one or two stress balls? And I was like, just one. That's really sweet. Oh, Liz. I wish I could have gone with you. I wish you could too i was nervous oh my god take me to scary appointments okay just put them on my calendar early and i'll block off my calendar okay all right thank you for listening um burps at the worst times follow us on tiktok instagram and twitter the at the holy hour and then email us stories thoughts um musings yeah musings uh even if we don't respond we are reading them and we love you um yeah just email us at holy hour podcast at gmail.com um subscribe to our patreon

pretty please it would mean a lot yeah um you're killing these outros thank you wow i'm surprised you you've taken on this new role and you're killing it oh my god thank you i couldn't do it without you anyways you could all right we love you our children we hit that note early