The Hoely Hour - E52 Jerkoff Transcendence

Episode Date: September 3, 2021

We're back from a Hot Girl Summer and ready for Goth Girl Fall. Liz and Amelia kick of the show with a conversation about therapy and existential dread (what else is new). The girls HIGHLY recommend a specific p*rn star... HIGHLY. Like, take notes, study him, analyze him in your film class, the man is a chef's kiss work of art. Finally, what's the proper etiquette for After The Nude when you start dating someone else? Keep? Delete? You shared your opinion and THE RESULTS ARE IN. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

all right should we just like do our intro oh my god yes i'm so excited i'm freaking out okay okay oh god so scatty okay Welcome to the Holy Hour. I'm Amelia Sampson. And I'm Liz Ball. And we're back. We got our intro on the first try. We're just so excited to be back. I'm so fucking hyped. I missed you. I missed you too. This has not been fun. It's been so busy. Amelia moved. We both were like traveling a little bit. I was on vacation for like two weeks like out of the state. You're yeah and i got a new job which was like killing it you know i was hoping that would happen and it did and uh yeah i've just been like getting adjusted to my new job

amelia moved and has been like moving all her stuff in i'm still not even like close to being done with moving but it was really nice having the extra time yeah focus on it and you don't have the extra time gatsby's looking at my vodka um i'm gonna lift this i know that you said they they would run but i'm scared i'm gonna get your cats drunk um it's it was good i think for us to take like a moment to reset yeah yeah we didn't have to worry about anything else yeah and like when we do the podcast we want to do it well yeah we don't want to like be like stressed when we're doing it everyone needs a break sometimes it was tough though also while we're talking about it like snaps for liz on the baby so thank you so fucking good it was just so good it was fun and

we had talked about it too like making sure that we like gave listeners a little something before we officially made our comeback yeah um and if you subscribe to our patreon you also got access to my bdsm gift guide which was also phenomenal also like you don't have to like be into bdsm to like also enjoy some of the things i put on the list yeah you know yeah there's a really great stuff for yourself you don't have to get crazy the day collar very cute which one the last one one yeah okay i did because i also referenced just that website um the designer has just like a ton of necklaces and i'm like these would be great like coated day collars they have the essence of a collar but they're still fashionable and you're so right about like bdsm gear is all like pretty

tacky so like seeing all the stuff that you put on the list and seeing that it's like actually cute stuff is like it is possible you just have to know how to look yeah I've done a lot of digging and then while I you know when I do my digging I also get ads for stuff yes so I've been keeping my eye on some things but yeah um you guys can expect more gift guides especially as the holidays approach yes oh that's true fuck where's this year going i was like i don't even know the fuck it's been a wild one the best holiday is coming up liz's birthday hell yeah liz's 30th birthday we're gonna have so much fucking fun um right now my plan you know i'm hoping that the delta variant doesn't throw a fucking wrench in my plans uh but right now my plan is to have

a sleepover themed party and um by sleepover i mean i will wear lingerie and call them pajamas and go out like that i'm considering getting a wig hell yeah just you know the the possibilities are endless yes and i invited my college girlfriends who live out of state um hopefully they can make it it'd be so fun and i want to go to a drag club yeah oh my god yes wait one just opened it's that one if we get reservations for it like now i'm sure it'll be possible i asked about their prices for oh the club about the prices yeah it was it's in it's disgustingly expensive can you guys not Jesus oh my god that's amazing yeah I really did not like that this was in my old like desk stuff they they break it up immediately I'm sorry please make it stop

they hate the party blowers that was so funny I've never seen them fight like that like serious they're so annoying oh god i love them so much uh anyways birthday yes so that's my plan super excited i'm hoping i have like a sailor moon transformation you know um and i just want to like no longer be struggling through my 20s because the the more the closer i get to my 30s the more i'm reflecting on how much fucking change has happened in my life in 10 years and i'm like well it feels so long yeah and i hated most of it yeah that sounds dramatic i loved 21 uh 21 and 27 were just like creme de la creme yeah your 20s but like it's seriously you did so much fucking growing in your 20s and like 30s are the new 20s is what everybody says

i don't want to grow anymore i want to be in the sun just enjoying it maybe grow slower that's a good way to live though emotional growing living in the moment yeah just enjoying where you're at it's been really hard for me to do that it's hard for everyone to do that that's true time is weird the older you get and the more self-aware you become the harder it is to like enjoy the moment it yeah yep totally it's yeah getting old is strange like there have been I think the first experience that I had with like being afraid of aging I cried on my eighth birthday because I wanted to stay seven I said it's a great number it's like it was such a weird thing we still joke about in my family I cried all night the night before my eighth birthday because I didn't want

to be seven I think that was my first experience with like time is moving and I can't do anything about it and then I turned 18 and somebody do you have a baccalaureate at your graduation a what baccalaureate I think it's like a religious thing I have no clue my school was not religious but it was like it's like a celebration of graduation basically and there were like performances there and somebody saying stop this train by John Mayer and it's like about like yeah you know if you don't listen read the lyrics and cry yourself to sleep but I that I had this like existential moment of like again like oh my god like we can't slow it down yeah we're just getting older time just goes and you can't do anything about it time just goes everyone dies

yeah i have a hard time with that yeah uh and i had listened to that's gatsby i know he's being the party blower so good that's such a funny tactic oh my god um it's this cartoon midnight gospel and uh it's basically they made it into a cartoon but it was a podcast and the host just like interviews random people about different things and the last person is his terminally terminally ill mother before she passes away and she's talking about death and like coming to terms with it and she was like we all want to believe that we're special but like the truth is is like everyone dies and then he starts crying he's like you're special and she's like but i'm not like she and she did pass away but jesus christ

we're getting real dark real fast here on the holy hour but like that's such that's the thing that i think about all the time it's like when i was growing up my brother's like a hell of a atheist and he was like kind of always of the mindset of like nothing we do here matters you know like we're just like kind of floating on a rock we're like a blip in this existence and we're super insignificant and like as a kid i was like but we're significant to each other so like her dying and like him being like well you're you're you are special she's like no i'm not it's like but really all that matters is that we are special to each other it's like the impact that we have on each other is what matters yeah because all we have is what happens on this little

tiny rock that's all we're ever gonna know jim carrey has a quote like that um like when he spoke at someone's graduation or at a school's graduation he said something like we are not the like the photo we are the light that shines through but he talks a lot about how just like all you have is how you make people feel um i'm like i just got chilies but i've been thinking about that a lot lately of just like once you if you truly believe that nothing that we do matters then it becomes it becomes even more important that now it is your choice to be a good person make a difference while you can he's being so obnoxious right now specifically i haven't seen him in a long time maybe he's just excited he wants to sit by the

window um but yeah no it's so true i mean like if it's another cliche but it's cliche for a reason is like the mark that you leave on the world is your if that's your legacy like if you leave it better than you came but if you leave this world better than it was then before you were born then you did your job and that's so true like even if it's just important what you've done is important to the people around you right now that matters you know so like i don't know i have a hard time coming to terms with my own mortality like i don't i choose not to think about it but it's everybody fucking dies i'm still waiting on the head transplant to work i would like to just keep

transferring my head to different bodies i'll be like 200 years old on like a 17 year old body i think dying would be peaceful have you watched ted lasso at all no it's on apple tv right yeah do you have roku or anything i have a chromecast and a fire stick i think you might be able to get apple tv plus on fire stick oh i think that's new i don't know for sure like pay for it though yeah it's like four dollars a month i can give you my login um it is hand to god the best show i've ever seen i've heard great things i didn't think i would like it because i'm not like a sports person my favorite tweet was someone saying like ted lasso is so good because the idea of a man being nice is like novel yes he's the best fucking character ever written i'm convinced

like he is it's such a happy show there's like no real conflict on the show like i mean there's conflict to like move the story along but there's nothing like i saw another tweet that was like how did they manage to bring the entire feeling of serotonin into one show yes it's so happy but the reason i'm thinking of it is ted ted has a panic attack on one of the episodes and it is the most accurate depiction of a panic attack i've ever seen in any media ever what do you since we're talking about panic attacks what do they look like for you yeah um so i won't give anything away it actually wasn't even like a like a major plot point it just like happened in one of the episodes but like in the episode he like started like kind of tapping his fingers like his fingers

kind of started to like he's doing this and I when I start to have panic attacks my fingers start to tingle like they feel like there's like pins and needles and then my arms start to tingle and then my legs start to tingle so like that's how I know it's about to happen and it's the worst when it's an untriggered panic attack because it's just like it'll happen when I'm driving sometimes just like oh fuck I'm gonna have a fucking panic attack it's been significantly less since Prozac um but it'll start like that and then I just sort of black out like I can like if I am driving I'm not like I don't like pass out but I'm kind of just like nobody's home anymore and I can't breathe and I just like I'm crying a ton and I can't catch my breath and then I just have to ground myself

so I'll try to find like I don't even I don't remember the order but it's like five things you can see for things you can hear like that kind of thing I ground myself that way and I've gotten much better over the years of getting myself out of them my panic attacks used to last like a half hour wow fucking horrible yeah I could not even imagine something like that it's about what are yours like I know everybody experiences them differently um my panic attacks are like if I'm already like high like high stress about something um and like we had been talking about before we were recording like anxiety just having you cannot get out of a thought cycle and it just becomes so overwhelming and um I'll like start crying and then uh

it it's so weird how it happens it's like being hit by a tidal wave like um I'll like start crying and then it's like the gates open and I start sobbing and like heaving and um I mean after I realized that's what my panic attacks were like I was like oh I've been doing this my entire life um but I like the big thing is is I can't breathe and I like and now that I know what they look like and feel like for me like I know when I'm having one and I just embrace it because that's the best way for your body to process it totally understanding it gives it a lot less power which is nice and when you're happy when like now that i know that too i'm instead of trying to stop myself from like freaking out like i just let it happen and it's been really hard i feel like i've

had more panic attacks when i'm around mr liz and if i'm not because i spend more time with him now obviously yeah but like when he's around i don't want to have one and then that just makes me have a worse one and then I'm like I am embarrassed that I'm having a panic attack while you're here and he's like if anything I'm like happy that I'm here while you're having one because I want to make sure I could take care of you and I'm like that makes me feel a lot better but it is like it feels like kind of embarrassing because like I'm not trying to be dramatic I'm not trying to do it for attention I just cannot control that my body needs to cry out my stress right now yeah well I mean like yeah and the the pressure of not wanting to have one really does

make it so much worse but also like you've said in the past that like growing up you felt like you were being like you were told that you were being dramatic when you were having emotions like it makes sense that you would be embarrassed to like have this big emotional reaction in front of someone yeah and like when I was a kid I would go into my closet and like hide behind all my clothes and sob yeah i mean like no one ever knew isn't that i saw a tweet yesterday that was like um were you allowed to show emotions as a kid or do you get that sharp pain in the back of your throat when you're trying not to cry other people feel that oh my god i feel seen oh my god but scientifically too like um crying is a way to relieve stress i fucking love like

there's a few different things i learned this in the come as you are book which i haven't finished reading yet but uh if you've listened to us talk about it in the last few episodes i highly recommend i'm like about halfway through but the author mentions um just like stress responses and uh the way to like you need to complete the stress cycle um otherwise you're gonna keep feeling like you're something's chasing after you yeah it's very primal i was about to say it's super primal yeah and then she's like also like sometimes you can't do these things like so here are some other stress relievers but the two i remember the most are you can scream which uh i have screamed into a pillow a few times just to test it out it's the best feels

really nice hell yeah but it does hurt my throat i would and then um crying can't always cry um and then just like uh sensory related things like um touch helps me feel grounded again which i wouldn't have suspected for myself but it does make a lot of sense it's just one of those like natural things of like um like it sounds kind of corny like holding a crystal or something like a smooth rock yep like helps me and if it's cold that helps me feel a lot better i was gonna say like being touched like if if you're like yeah if someone's like playing with my hair that'll help yeah and just like yeah uh sharing like affection or someone being affectionate towards you is another way to be feel grounded because you can just kind of like release stress and like know

you're safe because that's ultimately what it is is like the fear that you are unsafe yeah before we started recording i was telling liz about this um series on netflix called explained and there's like explained money explained sex that i have not watched but i would love to we should watch it yeah i wanted to watch i want to like book club it since i don't yeah yeah i don't read so it's it's a character flaw but i think like a like a book club with explain would be interesting but they have explained the mind as well and there is an anxiety episode and it explains like the central nervous system and like how it's anxiety is like a trait that we have adapted with to keep us safe and like things are always like bouncing off in our heads like it once the system starts

my therapist calls it um picking something up and dealing with it before putting it down because like if you don't and that stress keeps building and you have all of these things that are stressing you out that are you're not dealing with because you just like don't want to or like you think you're okay without working through it it just starts stacking and it becomes too much to deal with so it's like screaming into a pillow or crying or something whatever like you need to do to get the stress out is like it doesn't just go away you can't like destroy energy it's just like it's you have to deal with it and it's something that's like not made up in your head i think that we are conditioned to believe that like oh you're anxious it's all in your head

it's like well hold on also science after your brain like finishes developing at 25 and like the uh i think it's like what your frontal cortex or something um that's it's just the part the part of your brain that deals with consequences so you just become like more empathetic and more aware of like the consequences your actions will have so I think that's also why like 26 27 are such like big years in your life because like your brain is solidifying and you're like oh shit I can see how this is gonna feel later so I think that also kind of has like heightened my anxiety in the last few years of just kind of like and going to therapy while that is going on like actually in my brain yeah so yeah just it it becomes really exhausting it is super exhausting

like want to do something you know is makes you feel bad and then now you're just aware that it makes you feel bad and you're like wait so now what do I do instead yeah yeah because I don't want to do the thing that makes me feel bad but I still am feeling bad yeah I don't know that's where I've been at I feel like I've taken a few steps backwards in my therapy process I hear you I I don't think that there are any steps backward because because like you're you identify it so like you are you have the knowledge so that's not a step backward it's not like a backslide it's just kind of like a little like setback I think it's like you're not moving backward you're is kind of like here yeah but you have all of the knowledge that you have gained like over the past

however long you've been in therapy and like you know what you've been able to get through in the past and so you're gonna you've set the bar for yourself for what you can handle and I think that that's the beautiful thing about therapy you can't like unlearn things it could feel like you can because like you start to like revert back to like old behaviors or whatever but it's like it doesn't you can't undo work that you've done I've had to tell myself that a ton like there have been some things that i've been afraid of managing like i like would avoid looking at pictures of my ex this is a good example like i didn't want to see pictures of my ex because i thought that it would send me back into this like i had like a feeling phobia

i like didn't want to go back to this dark place so i just like didn't want to see a picture and hold on yep i've never seen him oh my god he's giving you a stink eye he's scared he's like what the fuck um but like fine fuck you fuck off I was just trying to give my two cents I have an ex to talk about you guys haven't talked in so long he's so cute wow he's really he's he's mad um but I was worried about like what it would do to me to see pictures of my ex like I didn't want to be thrown back to this mindset that I was in before of like needing to start from square one of healing and my therapist was like yeah you can

get thrown back to how you were feeling for a second but like you're not going to undo all of this learning and growing that you've done because you see someone's picture it doesn't work like that like and it's easy to feel like it will because our feelings in our head are so black and white when in reality like all of this work and all this growth and building has like brought us to where we're at now it wasn't like one day we woke up and we're like I'm better like it was it was over time it's so easy to look look at it and be like all right like if I run into him on the street it's gonna undo a year and a half of work when that's just not how it works like you are so much stronger than you were last time that happened and so you're more well equipped to deal

with the scary shit that you don't want to happen that's so true I hadn't considered that I hadn't either until she pointed it out I was like get the big bucks I guess whatever a PhD get out of my face with your knowledge yeah super cool yeah I love when my therapist helps me realize something even now I want to do um it would be fun you know how like at work you have like a annual review of like your performance I want that for my therapist I just want to be like what do you think of my changes over time my friend's therapist does that with him they do i would love that yeah they review his intake forms every year interesting super interesting yeah anyway all i have to do is look back at my journals and i'm like damn girl you've changed so

much oh my god that reminds me i want to do a ritualistic burning and i don't know i've been trying to figure out stream it oh that's a great idea i found my ex got me this journal for christmas the year that i found out that he had been cheating on me and i used the journal to journal just stream of consciousness how much i fucking hated him and it was misplaced i know it was misplaced but how much i hated the girls that he cheated on me with like hate and uh i think some of it is fair because they knew that he was dating you i think so i think that's fucked up it is it is fucked up i think a few of them i hate that i have to say a few of them a few of the girls that he cheated on me with like were actually like he misled them and told them that he was

single some of them no straight up just knew but it's so fine just be a girl's girl don't don't be that person no fuck no dick is ever worth it no dick is ever worth it hashtag no dick is ever worth it get it trending yeah hashtag no dick is ever worth it um but we have some hot button topics to talk about yes we do uh this therapy uh sesh was much needed yes it was i think um definitely it's always good it's like cathartic to talk about therapy and um i'm sure a lot of people can relate to our experiences absolutely but uh we took a poll on instagram i did it on my personal and um also on the podcast instagram just so i could get like a wider range of information so we asked you guys if um what was the first question uh if we when you are dating

someone do you want them to delete nudes from past people um that they may they may have received in the past and then the follow-up question is like if you were in a serious relationship with someone else would you want past partners to delete nudes of you just out of respect so uh the answers were not surprising but in some ways they did surprise me um oh and then i also asked um a follow-up question like if you keep nudes why just like what's the reason so uh to unpack all of this I was curious because I have been thinking a lot about um people who have nudes of me and I had never really like I like went into the deep corners of like what ifs when thinking about this so some people I'll be honest some people are really fucking annoying with their replies they're

like um well you should ask your current partner how they feel and it's like I'm looking at the numbers in front of my face my guy and like overwhelmingly people do not want you to keep nudes of past like hookups or relationships or whatever they don't want you to do that and overwhelmingly that number are women so if you're dating a woman she doesn't she don't want to go through your phone and find pictures of someone else there's just no reason that you need to keep them no i can't think of a reason i like so the thing that was annoying to me is like well you should ask your current partner how they feel about it and have boundaries but it's just like it seems like intentional incompetence to me to be like well i didn't know you wouldn't be okay

with that babe like like how men go to the grocery store and they're like well i don't know what to get like i'm just a guy like and it's on purpose because they don't want to have to deal with it they don't want to have to deal with the consequences and this isn't to say that men are always like this like i firmly do not believe that but um i've been seeing that conversation happening a lot in different places of like intentional incompetence and it's like a form of passive aggression to be like well i did i i don't know how to do this right so like then whoever you're dating is like fine i'll just do it myself and now you don't have to do it right so you mother them that's kind of how it is it's like i don't i shouldn't have to hold your hand

through some basic thinking here yep so that's what was like annoying to me but um someone was like you shouldn't keep nudes of people if like the person you have the pictures of is not okay with it like you need to come to it i think that's a really great point like you need to have a conversation like hey if i send you these like you have to delete them when we're done talking like if and when that is and you have to be able to know you have to trust the person enough to actually do it when when you they say that they will which is a whole other thing and then I started thinking about so I thought about people who have pictures of me or might still have them um and then I started thinking about like so I have like a no phone policy like I don't want to

go through my partner's phone like I just have done that before yeah it fucking blows you're no matter what you're going to find something you don't want to see like sure you might not they might not be cheating on you or something but if you like find something like past texts or whatever with like other people they used to date you still don't want to see that right and you're always going to create a story around something as well like even if there's actually nothing to find you'll create a story because you're looking for it exactly um so anyways i thought about okay like uh what if i found like pictures on mr liz's phone how would i feel about that right because I thought about my ex-partners having pictures of me and like a lot of them are

married now and I don't know if they've all gotten rid of like pictures my uh shoe man had an entire folder of me on his computer that I didn't even know about and there was like one occasion where he was recording me without my permission he like had it set up that's like what do you mean had it set up like he had like his gopro set up on his shelf that's like that's like illegal yeah and that i mean at the end of it i had like after we had like had sex i like had a breakdown because we had broken up at that point i had like a breakdown and i was like crying and that was on camera too he's like i'm not gonna whack off to this like yeah you're just gonna make him sad good um but anyways i don't know if he deleted that stuff so hold on i i know i say this all

the time if i ever meet this man i won't but if i do it's gonna be on site i swear to you i've never punched anyone in my life and he is somebody i would punch in the throat who the fuck behaves like that a sociopath probably i've thought a lot about if i ever had the misfortune of running into him i actually don't think he would be that big of a deal i don't think it would be i don't think it would be for me i think i would just like me yeah i probably wouldn't say anything with my own business but i also know that i know him well enough to know he would shit his pants have you seen that video of um solange and beyonce in the elevator with jay-z and solange like goes to town on jb that that would be me and shoe man and you would just be standing there like with your arms

crossed you and anna i would just be yeah yeah i'd be like oh we would you'd like just do like you do not deserve this yeah right um it was a long time coming okay anyway that's why go on back to my nude investigation slash rant yes so i thought about i just thought about all of it in context and like I was like you know obviously I'm aware that he's dated people before me so it would suck to see that and then I was like wait a minute I probably have some questionable shit on my phone because I just haven't like consciously gone through old pictures I have so much shit on my phone just like saved memes and like pictures of something stupid I saw on the sidewalk like stuff I don't need on my phone so I think I have like 9,000 photos or something

same it's not on purpose I haven't even gone through all my pictures to know if there's anything sketchy in there but still 40 hour work week yeah exactly it totally would um but then I was like I like I don't think most people who would have them would do it maliciously and I also thought about like um how I would handle it and like how I might have handled it in the past and in the past if something like that had happened I wouldn't be like understanding at all I would immediately default to like I feel bad I'm mad at you you did this to hurt me so I would either like I would start a fight I would end a relationship over it like it would have been a huge blow up and then i'm like what would i do now and like honestly you know the right thing to

do would be like hey what you know what's up with this and not make it a scene but just be like why do you still have these yeah and it could be probably a very not it's likely not a malicious answer of just like i forgot they were even on there yeah um and liz now maybe i'd have that conversation but i am still a little toxic sometimes i think i would just delete them and never say anything yeah delete them and then go to the deleted pictures and delete those gone forever and be like honestly like that alone is like a good test because then if they're like if they did know that they existed did you like look on my phone like no yeah that's gaslighting don't do that yeah

no but it's true it's like i mean i think a lot of the time i don't want to say all the time because there are some shady people out there but like i think a lot of the time people just forget that they have them yeah like i was talking um when squints saw the poll he said we we had like a mini discussion about it and he was like i don't think i have anything saved but like what if i did you know not like asking me he's like i don't remember if i do but like i could like go back through like five years of photos and like maybe there's like a boob shot of somebody in there he's like i i do not know and he's like it's because i do not care like i'm not thinking about it so i'm not gonna go back and delete it yeah exactly you know that's like it's

not malicious no it's just like yeah they were hot when i they sent them to me and i haven't thought about it since it's just like a hookup like yeah sometimes i have to like this makes me sound like i've had sex with like hundreds of people but like i can't remember some of the people that i've had sex with and it's like that's the same kind of thing it's like sometimes people will pop in my head i'm like oh yeah and i'm not like actively thinking about it i think like having someone's nudes is kind of the same thing you know it's almost less personal yeah but i think like some people do intentionally keep them we did get some replies about that so in regards to the follow-up question like would i want someone to delete pictures of me after i've been

in like a serious relationship or something and the way i view that like so most people overwhelmingly voted like yes i would want someone to delete past pictures of me like if they're married or something like that makes sense um but the way i feel about it is like okay if you like i'm not even thinking about you and you're like holding on to my nudes that's like embarrassing yeah if i'm being honest yep and um yeah just like holding on to someone's nudes after they're like dating someone else they're like married like i don't know it's very weird it's yeah i'm like do you have a shame kink like do you get off on watching this person like be happy without you it's like if your ex creates you're just like salt you

i have a different kind of play about that but uh yeah very similar of just like i'm gonna like hold on in these nudes because one time you sent them to me and i thought it was hot yeah or like i don't know there's just something like that is has is kind of pathetic to me and that makes it embarrassing of like like uh it's very like golem yeah to me like my precious kind of hunched over in your cave yeah exactly yeah so there's just yeah there's something there's like something shame related to that for me but all that being said i'm like if that fucks up your future relationship that's not my problem no so some of you gave us some answers on why you might keep somebody's nudes which we'll lead we'll we'll lead we'll read later on in the episode

so um you'll hear those at the end uh but they were pretty interesting and some of them were pretty funny some of them were a little problematic y'all have some hot takes i thought i had some hot takes but y'all really have some hot there are some hot takes out there that's also why i asked so yeah it was interesting i'm glad that you did ask so anyway um you'll hear those at the end i also and maybe this is like really like me and my liberal bubble up in washington but like i think that like another kind of this is like a new paragraph like nudes are becoming so much more of a thing that is like accepted like it's not like if your nudes get leaked we have all been trapped inside for almost two years right how the fuck else are we supposed to like have a good time

yeah and i think like that's so true and like also i think sex workers are being applauded a lot more than they used to be um i don't know if that's the case in everyone that's listening to town but like in ours it is and a lot of like communities that i'm involved with online that's the case and so like i have never i've never sent a nude like i've never i've said this before on the podcast i never have it's not that i'm like against it i just like haven't i've sent like nude adjacents but if it ever got to the point where i did and it leaked it's not something or like it leaked or like somebody held on to it or whatever i wouldn't be like please like don't because it's like okay like it's my fucking body who gives a fuck everybody has one yeah everyone

has a body so like i don't know i think that it's like we're in this new phase where like i think if we were having this conversation 20 years ago when somebody was hanging on to nudes it would be like there'd be so much shame for the person in the picture associated with that and that's changed yeah which is a little shocking now it's like okay if you're gonna expose someone's nudes you're a shitty fucking person yes like that's not what they but you also take a risk every time you send one to like hope that that person isn't sharing it with other people right or like gonna like blast them online there's there is a big issue with like revenge porn but i did want to like say if so what if the circumstance was like someone paid for the nudes how would you feel

about that and so what's this person that I sent them to paid for them maybe or just if you were looking through a partner's phone well first how would you feel if you were looking through someone's phone and you found like a bunch of old nudes um it I guess it depends on what point of my relationship I'm in with them um I think I would feel differently if it was later on in the relationship than if it was early on in the relationship fully i fully agree but i i think it would depend on the circumstance of our relationship period like i feel like if i i mean this relationship that i'm in now again non-exclusive please don't be in my dms about it but with squints this relationship if i were to go through his phone and find

pictures of anybody that he's been with in the past i would have a different reaction to that than if I went through my ex's phone and found that yeah because I was in a space with my ex that I was way more insecure than I am in with squints like with squints if I found nudes I know how squints feels about me like I don't need to question it I'm not like if I find something I'm not like is he jacking off to these photos still I would know that he's not like I mean if he is okay but like it doesn't change how he feels about me you know if my ex had nudes in his phone or anywhere i would be like what the fuck like and so i think it's really circumstantial i think it's different um in terms of paying for them like if it was like somebody on only fans i'd be

like fuck yeah i'd rather you do that i feel free porn i'd feel significantly different if i was like if they were like yeah i'm subscribing to so-and-so's only fans or this person has only fans and i signed up for it i'd be like well well also it kind of i don't know does it depend on what the relationship yeah i don't think it does because like you can watch porn for free i was just about to say it's just like it's just yeah i would rather my partner be giving money to the person that they're consuming than watching some like i think it would bother me if they like looked like dramatically different than me i'd be like oh my god that's fair that's very very fair but i would totally support like supporting sex workers yeah hell yeah so no that's so true

there's a lot of conflicting what ifs which is why i wanted to talk about it i mean it's huge it's kind of a never-ending conversation like the the people that squints has dated in the past are actual polar opposites to me and like that has like actual and like that has been kind of a source of like all right well you picked me yeah but like it's it's one of those things that's like I completely agree if if anybody I was dating was subscribing to somebody like just completely different from me I'd be like what am I not like tickling your fancy in like what you're wanting to get out of a sexual experience like visually but I think that these are the things that we kind of like ascribe more meaning to than we need to because like the people that I Liz texted me

today about um you can cut this out if you want to but um a porn recommendation oh yeah no I wanted to talk about it Owen Gray and small hands and I was curious who small hands was because I know who i'm gray is so i i looked up small hands small hands does it for me holy fuck me too so hot he's so fucking hot and he's like really i watched one of the threesomes not like for okay so i texted amelia i was like i have like a porn recommendation for you so if you look at if you watch porn you probably know who owen gray is um he just like he looks a little bit like uh fuck the guy who plays it what's his name oh scars guard yeah he looks like a bill scars guard a little bit and he has like all these tattoos um and he just like

pays like he like he pays so much attention to the women he has sex with and like he's like focused on making sure they come it's like it's really hot he's very locked in the entire time yeah he's engaged it's just it's it's beautiful to watch and then um I had recently searched Owen Gray because I was like yeah what you know what's what's he doing and one of the top things that came up when I searched Owen Gray is he was having like a few of these came up he had threesomes with a woman just you know there were yeah there were a few different women and small hands who's another male porn star and small hands is like tatted up he has like brown curly hair he's he's so fine and like the two of them like very attentive just paying so

much attention to this woman and it's so hot they're like telling her she's like a good girl i'm laughing because like how sad is it that like we're like oh my god they're paying so much attention to her well that's like that's why it's hot just like it's so unique all this special care like i don't know like not even one man can do that much no most of the time no you know so i think yeah just like the amount of attention they give the person that they're having sex with like that's why they're such well to do porn stars totally owen gray people know his name you know but yeah small hands small hands is there was i think what really does it for me about owen gray and small hands is like yeah like the attention paid there was a part in the one

that i was watching and i wasn't watching i wasn't masturbating i was just like i'm just like a little curious yeah you just want to see what i'm telling you about yeah what is liz suggesting that i watch so i threw one on cast it to my television my poor neighbors i keep realizing i can hear everything my neighbors do so i'm they for sure now um but anyway so i was watching this and like there was a part of it where he small hands um i think he like hit the girl with his shoulder at one point that yeah and he was like oh my god and he like paused and he's like i'm so sorry and she was like it's okay and it was like this interaction of like it's so rare in free porn that the woman is respected in the situation because it's like kind of like the hot thing to be like you're an

object but like like if you think about like two men and a woman threesome yeah porn it it 95 of the time it is gonna be like the worst thing you've ever fucking seen it's just like mechanical and gross and sad and you're just like oh is anyone gonna make her come like it's just it sucks to watch yeah so in this circumstance it's the total opposite and i'm like this is the only time i would consider a threesome as if like i was receiving that much attention and care and thought and not being treated like an object hundred percent hundred percent yeah i it's like they're having sex with her for her benefit yes like for her enjoyment yeah y'all have to throw this on like regardless of like your gender what gender you date what genders you date this is

it's so hot it's just so it's respectful and not in a cheesy way i think that's a hard balance to strike when i was looking up small hands um repertoire i was seeing like he is in a lot of porn that's directed by women um and yeah i've seen him on bellessa yeah and a lot of people do recommend bellessa to us like we've been getting more and more like emails and dms lately people are like have you heard of balessa and like yes we have um but the only contingency i have with it is there are like aren't a lot of women of color on on it and also it's like kind of vanilla for me got a lot of vanilla stuff but i have i originally found small hands on balessa the reason i brought up small hands to begin with is because i realized when i was

watching this and I was like oh my god this is so hot he is not he doesn't look like anyone I've ever dated and I and that kind of person to watch on porn really turns me on so it's like I can have a type and then I have like a porn type and they're like two totally different things you know um my type is uh attractive people same though me too oh just anyone anyone I find attractive that's so true but like rule number one be hot yeah rule number two pay attention to me don't be not hot yeah i think that's like something on reddit rule number one is be attractive and rule number two is don't be unattractive i want that tatted on me um so okay so this is a good foray and did you have something else to say no okay i liz knows this i finally bought a vibrator

y'all i've been talking about this since we started recording this podcast i could not pull the trigger on a vibrator i mentioned this in the little baby sode um if you have like vibrator or sex toy recommendations i don't care what your sexual identity is what your gender identity is let us know what the fuck you like and what you like to use it for because this this is a sex podcast we want to spread the good word yeah we want to we want to knock on people's doors like missionaries and let them know literally yes and by doors we mean vaginas yeah we're knocking on that door um no but seriously like we want to we want to be able to give recommendations and i have finally i've finally stepped foot into this world y'all uh so what kind of vibrator did you get i

bought a lovance uh-huh i think it's how you pronounce it yeah um vibe three i have some things to say about this what is it what does it look like will you describe it to me it is a pink it's a pink c i have a blue c oh but it's yours just a g spot no it does both okay so this is my issue with lovance and a week after i bought this they came out with a g spot and a clitoral stimulator i'd be so i'm so fucking mad but anyway that's neither here nor there this vibrator is i'll go i'll do pros and cons i'm gonna do a little review pros there is an app that's like a social media thing that like people can record vibrating patterns and then people can vote on them so there's like best vibrating patterns interesting most like recommended based on like

how you masturbate like it's it's really cool and then you can connect me and squints connected are it was really he called me and he was like i think this is how you do it and he like turned it on and it was it was like it was it wasn't like anywhere near me um but it was just so fucking funny and exciting to be like you are not here and you're able to make me feel good i love that so that's a pro um bunch of different like patterns strengths great con um it does not hold a charge it does not hold a charge and now it's just not charging which is very annoying so i emailed them and they were like try this and this and this and have you tried like changing like turn it upside down the charger upside down because it only charged one way and then if it

doesn't work send us a picture and it's like just send me a different one i'll send this back make it work just make it work i'm just trying to get off is women having an orgasm that big of like a financial loss to you right that like you think you're lying right they think that you're lying i don't know like what is it but it's just what it just will not it just won't why would i be lying about it charging or not well i mean maybe i would now that they have a better one that just came out but like it's actually not so it's like the you know the customer service isn't really there um and it doesn't charge expensive yeah it was 119 dollars see that's the thing it's like it's so it's the pink tax it's so predatory yeah like oh you want to have an orgasm fuck you yeah

literally 120 for you to come okay and you know what i don't like amazon don't love to support amazon but my favorite vibrator is from amazon i got a couple of vibrators that i use consistently what's your favorite one uh my favorite one is a blue uh blue is a bullet vibrator okay uh little black looks like lipstick um i love it because it's just it's very handy um it's like the perfect size it's inconspicuous if you're like traveling and um like i can hold it mr liz can hold it like it's just easy to like maneuver um that's great you can put it wherever you want but probably don't put it in your butt because there isn't like um a flat end so oh whoa oh no i probably wouldn't try that yeah it's a good point uh cautionary tale yeah

it needs to have i can't think of the word right now but it needs to have like a like a taper yeah not really a flat end yeah so you can pull it out anyways um was it oh yeah bullet bullet vibrator probably like ten dollars shut the fuck ten to fifteen dollars what the fuck am i doing the thing is powerful and it has multiple settings how long does the charge last uh charge is not great i guess like but i do use it a lot so and like vibrating alone i would assume that uses a lot of energy i get that but like i have had i don't actually know if my vibrators held a charge period at any point so like this might be an unfair review I might have just gotten a botched one but like for a little thing for ten dollars

to like maybe have like a better charge like and it recharges so that's the thing that I like about it is that like I don't need to change any batteries I can just recharge it so that gets the most use out of it I was talking about it with Mr. Liz last night because he was like which one's your favorite and I was like I think the bullet because it's just like very like tried and true reliable like it's just like easy to use and he was like how many times how many orgasms do you think you've had using it he's like would you guess like 500 and then i was like i don't think that much because i've only had it for like a year and then he was like clearly doing the math in his head and he's like i think it'd be pretty easy to like clock 500 on that in a year and i was

like that's true do you think i honestly would not be surprised if i've used it five i've had 500 orgasms with that in a year wow well because we've all had those days where our libido is just harassing us that's so true i think like i had a day this summer where it was just insatiable but to the point where it was annoying where i was just like how many times do i have to masturbate today for like me to be free of this feeling i know that feeling so fucking well like i want to stop being do you find bothered by on those days that your libido is like do you feel like your orgasms are more intense on those days yeah me too they're like my body gets like yeah when i was explaining that uh like i was explaining it to mr liz like

there have been some days where i'm like can this feeling go away finally like how many times do i have to jerk off and then he he was like um god how did he say it he's like maybe that's what happened to Jesus like he just jerked off so many times he transcended and I was like that's what the holy ghost is and then he was like ew because it's white yeah this is very topically relevant you're just like an orgasm ghost yeah I was like I wish that would happen to me you come so hard that you just transcend into another dimension that's honestly sometimes what I feel like sometimes i'll come so hard i do not remember the past like three minutes like was i here don't touch me you're just like flopped over like oh my god wait this this i actually have been wanting

to talk about this sometimes i'll come sometimes i'll be able to like have multiple orgasms in a row sometimes i'll come so hard that like i don't even want somebody to think about me like i need like all separation of church and state and like i don't know what that line is like all those a deathgasm oh deathgasm yeah that's gonna be the name of my screamo band deathgasm can i be in it yes i've been listening to a lot of machine gun kelly he came out with a song with travis barker have you heard it love them anyway um i i am big on communication in bed big on having the whole like everything that you feel like you should talk about you should talk about big fan of that however sometimes i'll come and then the person that i'm having sex with will like try to get

me off again and i don't know how to say nah i'm done without it being like no that's enough like what is like how do you how do you word it like i don't think i can get off again that's hard to say when you've just had this like huge orgasm you know what i mean they try to make you get off more than once every time no one does that for me no one pays me in gum i wouldn't want it but i would appreciate the attempt for sure um i feel like you just should thrash around like an eel don't touch me like an eel out of its out of the water i always make them i'm really happy we're filming this instantly yeah subscribe to our patreon to see liz flopping

like an eel thrash around until they're like what the fuck is going on do i need to call for help yeah are you having a seizure no but just please do not touch my clitoris for at least 20 minutes sometimes I'll have orgasms so strong that like even like nipple stimulation like even like kisses anywhere I'm like I can't be touched and like so I'll say something like squints is a perfect example of this bless his heart he always tries to get me off at least twice and I'll say I don't think I can come again which is a mistake because he takes that as a challenge when in reality i can't come again it's like uh it's a nice way of saying i need you to stop touching me yeah because it is no longer pleasurable right like i'm very

sensitive and i get it he's he's very receptive and perceptive but like i don't know how to be like i mean for somebody that i'm not comfortable with like if it's not squints it's like nah i'm done it feels like kind of a mood killer sentence even though the mood has been killed i don't want like kill the mood um i mean i have an intrusive question that you we can remove it i already love it uh what do guys faces look like when you are coming oh um uh i'm gonna have to make sure that he's okay with me keeping this in nobody knows who he is fuck it squints well he gets really he usually comes first um not intentionally I feel like if he could get me off before then he would but Prozac takes me a sec to come hey what's up at least you at least you could come

you can come on Prozac yeah it takes a bit but I it was rough for me it's rough for a lot of people I used to be able to come really quick and I can't really do that anymore it's not like a problem I don't it's not like non-existent so I'm lucky in that sense but it does take a little bit um but he'll have already come so then he's like all attention on me and he's like really like locked in and intense and it gets me to come like it's like seeing him be so intense and like it's like the eye contact and like he's just like really determined does his face change at all yeah he looks like a totally different person when we're having sex well i i love when that happens yeah you're like oh my god who are you okay i'll call you sir um no did like when you're coming

does he have like an expression or is it like the same as well oh yeah i don't know i usually i truly transcend when i have an orgasm it is a spiritual experience i should pay attention though why does mr liz does his face change what do you mean oh i mean in general it depends on what we're doing the way he looks when he is being a dom is the best thing i've ever seen oh my god it's so hot he just looks different like his face just changes yes hell yeah i don't even know how to explain it it's hard to explain it's like their it's like their eyes change but i think the same thing happens to me i think the same thing happens to everyone it's just like there's a change in like up here yeah

and you're like oh my gosh you're like kind of scary and hot i kind of turn on because i'm like kind of scared oh my god i do like i mean fear is like a big factor when it comes to sex for me well bdsm yeah totally i like to be afraid a little bit i think that those i don't know any of the brain mechanisms behind this so take this with a grain of salt but like i know that sadness and your libido are so close that i feel like fear and your libido must be close um the uh come as you are book has like a very short little section that explains this very well of like why people would enjoy something painful when it comes to having sex and it's because when you're turned on your brain is already in um the mood to like to receive any feeling that you have as like sexual

so you're just more open-minded to something being sexy and turning you on interesting so it's not entirely like oh you're a masochist and you like want to feel pain when you have sex like it's just like such a fun sensation because it's so unexpected that it's like enjoyable if that makes sense like interesting like of course when i'm getting like my ass whipped like of course it hurts yeah but there's something like fun about it yeah you're like this fucking hurts let's go yeah i'm gonna fight you yes yes i'm gonna fight you yeah no i know i've been thinking a lot about that i really i have this thing that i've really been trying to pay close attention to about nipple stimulation that i like fucking love like a lot i wish my nipples did

something for me they don't no i think my boobs are just too big so my nipples are very big so it's just like these nerve endings are spread out that makes sense you know yeah that's not a good time but i want it to be a good time it's just so great and like it's like a lot of pain associated with that like that like really kind of fucking sucks but it's also like so great like i hate it and i'm like yes it's like that's a really interesting like dynamic rip them off right yeah just take them all the way out give them a little nibble but i'll like in the moment i'm like okay that's ow ow but it always always gets me going it's very strange that's fun it's it's interesting and so i've been trying to pay attention to it

this podcast has made me so much more mindful of like everything that i'm enjoying and not enjoying yeah like it's it's important to pay attention to and to communicate that as well like and to not fake I have said in the past actually I think it must have been like six months ago now that I will fake sometimes just to like get it over with and not to get it over with in the sense of like I don't want to be here but just like the Prozac it takes so long that it's just like then I start getting in my head about like this is taking a long time he must be bored yeah and then I'm in my head and like blah blah blah so I after saying that and after listening back to that episode I was like I don't really like that I do that and so like I've stopped faking and sometimes I'm just

like I don't think I can and having sex with squints consistently has been really great because like he's just kind of like okay like he's not like yeah it's not a big deal right he's not it doesn't take it as a like a oh like I know that I said like he'll want to make me come a few times that's just like who he is but like if I'm like I don't think I can he's like all right it doesn't turn in this like oh is it something I'm doing wrong yeah they're not taking it personally it's never personal it's sometimes it's yeah when there's stress going on and especially if you're on SSRIs it's like do you feel like when you do have an orgasm is it as intense as before you were on Prozac yes okay yeah that's I mean that's still great mine were not yeah it was like um

have you ever like were you in band at all yes uh you know how there's like the mute that you could put on the trumpet yeah that is how everything felt for me like sex orgasms emotions is like everything just had a mute on it and it was it sucked especially with orgasms because you're like this isn't as fun as it used to be that blows it's not as satisfying that blows that was like a triple entendre with like a trumpet and with head and with it just like sucking and that was also a double entendre zing wow we're on a roll um but yeah no it's i my orgasms are as strong as they were before i also i think we've talked about this in the past i don't remember though like when you're having sex and somebody else makes you come does it feel different from

when you make yourself come is it a different kind of orgasm me too it's more intense when i'm alone well you know your own body so well and you're just like alone and like comfortable so i guess like it makes sense but that's always been the case well and you're on a mission when you're alone it's not like you're like flirting with yourself and like i don't know you're there for one thing and one thing only yeah you're like i can't fall asleep so or i don't have any meetings the rest of the day got a midday orgasm yeah and you you're there for business strictly like yes it like i can make myself come so fast oh yeah me too you know but with sex it's different and that's what i like about it though like it's just like sex should be so fun and enjoyable

and like you shouldn't be like having sex because you want to get off you know sure like it's you should be in the mood to have sex but like it's just like so fun and like there's just something so special about knowing someone's body really well and like wanting them to feel good and like being able to participate in this activity together right and like that's the whole thing of like sometimes if i can't come it's like i've still had fun yeah i'm not just saying that just because it's like oh i'm just like taking care of his feelings like i'm it actually sometimes i just want to have sex to stop sex it doesn't need to be like there doesn't need to be an end game of an orgasm like I just like enjoy having sex yeah even yesterday I was like even if I I was like I

could stop now if I wanted to but why not yeah let's just keep going yeah let's just see the yeah and I think that that is oh I have to tell you oh yeah when we were talking about our favorite positions and you said one of yours was on your stomach one leg up yeah um I tried it like a few months ago actually what and I was like this is amazing it's different it like because I like I've said I think I might have endometriosis because some stuff really hurts and um I don't know i could just be i could just have like a low cervix or something so like from behind doesn't always feel very good for me um especially if it's been a while since i've had sex like i will bleed a lot and that sucks i don't want to be bleeding i want to be having a good time

that's a mood killer yeah so this alleviates that entirely like you still get that like fun like from the from the back action and then with one leg up like there's some room for some hand action yep uh we came at the same time fuck yeah that's the best position to come at the same time so your leg you were so completely flat on the bed but your leg was one leg was bent y'all you gotta try it you have to try it it's seriously there really is it gives you it's just there's a lot more freedom with like move it like you can get a hand in there like if you have a bullet vibrator you could get the vibrator down there that's what i was doing and yeah and then he gets the view from behind and then there's like still room to like grab around from behind

yeah there's just a lot of uh freedom with that position and everyone enjoys it it is a beautiful situation yeah before we jump into uh the last segment of our episodes it's actually it's different this usually we do sex facts it's going to be different we have some answers that you guys provided us on um why people keep nudes that we think are either interesting or funny um please please follow us on instagram tiktok and twitter at the holy hour if you have any stories for us or anything please email us at holy hour podcast at gmail.com subscribe to us on patreon you can see liz act like an eel my boobs out right now i say this every week is it i don't know subscribe us on patreon uh and uh we we love hearing from you so much every time i get a notification on

my phone that we have an email from one of you i fully sob even if we don't reply or like yeah if we don't reply or anything we've probably read it and have squealed over it with each other yeah like truly it means a lot to us yeah okay yeah so don't be discouraged if we don't reply no and it always it means we do get we get more and more which is pretty cool which is really exciting yeah but um so here so here yeah here's some of the stuff you guys shared with us about why you keep nudes uh someone said just here to say that there is no good or valid answer to this question and like honestly i like low-key agree i think that people keep nudes because they like the validation interesting take i want to hear what the other stuff that people said what reasons

like just be aware you don't need to come up with some like reason like just just admit that you like that someone was attracted enough to you that they sent you nude pictures like a case yeah just it's it's fine don't like come up with some like extravagant excuse anyways uh low-key agree with that person um i keep unsolicited dick pics because i consider them to be sexual violence unsolicited dick pics are a totally different story i respect that though me too someone just said history it's a man are we surprised um i don't but my ex still has mine always discuss with current partner i just don't care really interesting tape as well these are all interesting

uh haven't gone back through the archive of my seven-year relationship uh their memories like other pics i keep interesting take but also if you haven't gone if you like like you were saying like how you don't want to look at pictures of your ex maybe they don't want to look at the pictures so they just don't want to delete them because they don't want to look at them yeah yeah probably and then also if you delete them they're gone forever and there's just some sort of attachment someone said sentiment that's fun sentiment um i struggle with other sentimental shit you could attach to but but that's fine i'm not gonna don't don't judge people for how they sin that's yeah amen it's true miley cyrus our lord and savior has said only god can judge you

so forget the haters only only god can judge us fuck yeah um what song is that from you can't stop yeah i love that song it reminds me of being 21 um this person said i struggle with deleting any photos attached to a memory or experience with someone um this one said i forgot the password to the folder i keep them in lol very fair yeah that's good yeah as good as them not existing someone just said we all know why was that a guy or a girl a guy um and then someone said sometimes some videos are simply the best shrug that was a woman all right um hey gramps come here uh someone said honestly i just don't want to go through my camera roll and see

them in order to delete them which is what we were just saying yeah that's fair uh this person i've forgot about them yep and this one is i think my favorite i work on a ship with no internet they're in a secure folder and i don't share gotta do what you gotta do honestly like i respect that it's fair enough uh um i like being able to remember how that relationship made me feel at that time it's good to feel wanted this one said they're just buried in deep traumatic messenger convos oof i feel that a little bit i really do i feel that as well um this one says because my ex's dick is the only beautiful one i've seen zero feelings for him though that's so true there are very few actual beautiful dicks i don't know i've seen a lot of beautiful dicks in my day

bless your heart i've seen i can think of three what constitutes a beautiful dick to you i think it's the person attached to it i've been actually thinking a lot about this like music man's dick i know we have a nice feeling about him peeping is actual art beautiful the first time i saw it i was like what but i was also like obsessed with him like already so it was fine um i guess that makes sense i've i can think of a few dicks that i've seen that are like and i think that it's just like in it's it's in proportion and conjunction with the rest of the person yeah yeah it's like a dick alone is not like i i mean i'm i'm a fan of the dick i'm a fan of the dick but like a dick alone unattached from a body not really like a beautiful

oh sorry patreon subscribers our camera just died yeah um what the fuck it's been charging for two weeks um but anyway it's like the it alone doesn't it it's not pretty but when it's on a pretty person that you have like pretty feelings for that's what makes a beautiful dick what do you think um i think what makes a beautiful dick is just if it's clean and not too overgrown like i don't really like when someone is fully shaven because i'm like not into that it makes it look like a child's dick and i just that's not what i like okay have you ever thought about that nope if it's i just i don't know i'm just not into that i like i like a little bit of hair but just um you know uh like like a military cut like high and tight like i i like it i appreciate

it when it's when it's down there i'm not too particular but fully shaved is just like not for me that's but i want it i want it like trimmed down enough that like i'm not gonna choke on a pube that's fair because there's something nauseating about that that's super fair i don't think i ever really notice when there's hair when there's not hair i think that i'm like i don't think i've been with you're just ready enough yeah i'm just like launch i feel like um occasionally i would my shoe man would always be hairless which i thought was kind of weird he looked like a uh naked mole rat anyways oh my god ball sacks that's another story penises great ball sacks not so great i i i appreciate the ball sack they're underrated you could do a lot of stuff

with them have you ever like having fun with them totally looking at not great have you ever sucked on a man's ball sack while yes jacking him off oh they fucking go that would be like yes that's very true but to look at not super great not not not the most beautiful organ and i i know i think most men would say the same about their wieners and their ball sack but vaginas are different story that that's a that is a godly creation a vagina yeah what a beautiful thing and then like then there's you know a ball sack anyway sorry go on i'm like gassing out now and i'm just gonna i'll rant about a ball sack for an hour if you let me this one's a wait this one said i literally can't find them but i don't remember deleting them i feel so bad crying

emojis um if you were dating someone they might have deleted them for you it's just been taking a note out of liz's book yeah that's a think about it um i don't have nudes of dudes but i do have a sexy shirtless mirror pic as a token of our brief time that's fair i mean that's something that they would post online yeah a shirtless pic yeah yeah um if you're not physical with the person at all or anyone and it's past is the same as porn shrug emoji i don't know if i agree with that but i mean everyone's different everyone's different yeah i think people are everyone is different with how they are able to compartmentalize their emotions or not so in this circumstance i think more like i could be

completely emotionally detached from someone that I have like I would have pictures of or would have pictures of me but like how would my partner feel finding that or how would their partner feel finding that so it's more so just like considering like I simply would just not want to hurt someone I love in that instance like even if I'm not purposely keeping them I still just like it would make me really sad to know that I hurt the person I love the most you know so that's more of what my thought process was is just like it seems like such an avoidable issue like it doesn't really need to be a conversation you can just delete them because overwhelmingly that's what people would prefer so just having that knowledge of like this is gonna hurt someone I really care

about is that worth it like it just seems uh like a battle that's not worth my time agreed but uh someone said saving for a rainy day just another thing it's like i just feel like it goes back to the thing you just said yeah uh blackmail someone said blackmail yikes nope nope it was a woman red flag no don't do that yeah uh blackmail um that's revenge porn And that's what revenge porn is. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's the shooty area. What if you just send it back to them and say, like, your orgasm face is stupid in this

nude? I don't know. Is it revenge? I guess in a way it is revenge porn, but it's like revenge to them specifically. Like, well, you look stupid in this picture. Yeah. Send it back to them. Shame porn.

I'm currently single. so the nudes i do have are from women who wanted me to see them naked okay okay uh oh my god we got so many answers yeah i just hate deleting things they're obsessively organized thank you so much for listening we love you so much it feels so good to be back y'all this this this sounds so cliche but like you guys actually mean so much to us like we we've said this in the past absolutely we talk about y'all like we know you in person like we like call you by your first name yeah like did you see that email from so-and-so yeah yeah um and it's just like we just love you so much and we have been i don't know if i said this when we're recording it feels

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