The Hoely Hour - E73 Susisode

Episode Date: February 12, 2022

We're telling a few sus stories today... Liz wants to know why an ex boo-thang is liking all her old photos, Amelia wants to know why dudes with alleged girlfriends are messaging her at 1 am, and Liz finally shares a confession about a girl whose obsession with Mr. Liz escalated to trying to turn into Liz herself.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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I ain't never give a shit about a man named Brian. Brian with an I or a Y? I. Fuck you, Brian with an I. And even the Brians with the Ys. Why, Brian? Why, Brian, why? welcome to the holy hour i'm amelia samson and i'm liz ball and hey

okay now i'm gonna take a sip i need to stop putting my drinks in such loud glasses sometimes you just need ice too yeah you know yeah i can't think of a glass like what cup would not make noise with ice in it i brought a paper cup to your place one day to record because it worked it did what i intended it to do but the cup started dissolving because it's for hot springs fair enough um and so that was a little scary you know like it was a distressing moment for me but well you're an actress you should know normally there's no liquid in the cups right there's no liquid in the cups there's no liquid in the cups and if there is there's no ice in the cups shit's loud they're cheating the whole time they really are um i was watching porn the other

day nice yeah that's my that's my thought anyway back to you list and we're done that's the whole podcast thanks for thanks for coming love you well i was thinking i get served this ad right before every single video that i watch that's like a robotic voice and it's like want to masturbate but don't have a partner have you gotten that ad you know i keep my porn on mute girl oh my god that's true i don't need to hear anything damn i keep getting this fun fact about you uncomfortable i was thinking about this ad that you haven't heard because you watch your porn on mute that the question is want to masturbate but don't have a partner and every time i hear it i'm like what like why would you need a partner to masturbate yeah and it's that's the point of

masturbating not having a partner solo want to masturbate but don't have a partner people that watch Pornhub with the sound on know exactly the ad I'm talking about because it's either that or it's Pornhub live those are the two ads that are before every single I'm never I'm video I'm remembering that is there a banner that goes with it it's like uh I feel like maybe I would recognize a banner but maybe I should pull up some I should pull up porn remember I made you watch that um the dentist uh vagina video or something with the the um mouth rinser that was a bonding opportunity water pressure porn water pressure porn to me is when someone takes a water pressure and like cleans a rug oh fuck yeah or like a deck oh yeah i love a power

wash just just get in the dirt out of something uh it's it's so satisfying it really really is it's yeah cleaning anything is is very satisfying to watch there are like tiktok videos that are just satisfying videos and the majority of them are like cleaning grout when they clean up uh shoes like really old shoes yes i love that they're like i found this old pair of jordans for three dollars at goodwill let's clean them up oh my god it really is there's this girl that i went to college with that um she's like married to a baseball player now and she gets her carpets cleaned by this company that's only in arizona but they like i think they pay her to post them because she has a big following and like normally when i see those ads i'm like i don't live in

arizona i don't need to know about this company but i watch every single one because it's like it shows them like cleaning the carpets and the carpets like completely change color like every time they do like a pass it's so nice to watch oh my god that shit's beautiful nothing gets me wetter and watching then watching things being cleaned and now you know that about me just want someone to like marie kondo my pussy this brings me joy sparks joy this sparks joy um so we have some like this is gonna be kind of like a a suspicious like shit talking episode yeah we got a lot of we got a lot of sus shit to yeah to sift through we're gonna fucking start i've been sitting on a lot of these thoughts for quite a while do you want to dive in or do you want me

to i want you to i want you to kick it okay because my story is going to be significantly less but i think it's a good lead-in to like all of the it's a good tip of the iceberg agreed agreed because it's also an update moscow everyone's favorite sus boy um i'm doing a sober month if you're watching us on our patreon video i'm also drinking a moscow mule just not out of a mug oh well mine's virgin because i'm doing a sober month and mine's not virgin um i'm watching you for i've started euphoria for to kick off my sobriety month hell yeah that's a good way to do it liz i have been i need you to catch up i know that we're diving into topics i need you to catch up because last this week's episode was fucking bonkers and twitter is primo right now

oh people i like i see the tweets and i scroll past them because i know i want to catch up yeah um but so far so i've only watched two episodes and so far my impression is it's spicy riverdale changed my mind changed my fucking mind how is this not spicy riverdale spicy riverdale with good script writing yeah and the overall vibe of like a bad comedown from molly wow that's so real it feels like a bad comedown no there's no dopamine to be found yeah i have had i had no relief in the last two episodes i had really weird euphoria dreams last night yeah um but i have been comparing characters in riverdale to euphoria in my head all day uh like maddie Cheryl. Interesting.

Giving me Cheryl energy. Who's your favorite so far? So far I mean it's hard to not love Zendaya. She's like such a talented actress. Every time I'm watching her I'm just like I'm in love with you. Yeah she's the best. So I love

Rue and I feel like I haven't gotten to know any of the characters very much yet. Okay. Big Nate hater. That won't change. Okay yeah. He is like terrifying yeah and i was thinking about how this is supposed to be um like high schoolers now but i feel like gen z and like the kids who are that age are not like shitty like that no like

when we were in school people were way more likely to be fucking insane and like bullies like that yeah yeah i didn't know until my senior year that my high school had like a very big drug problem we had this like huge drug bust where like there were narcs yeah like police officers were going to school as students and drug busting like all these people and they put our school in lockdown and like came and arrested people one by one out of class and they're like helicopters flying around outside and shit yeah so i remember some kids would come to school drunk they'd like bring a vodka and a water bottle and i remember not really like thinking that much about it i remember just being like you're a fucking idiot but i never remember like i never was judging

people who were partying in our teen year so i was just like i don't want to do that i don't really feel interested in doing that yeah yeah i it wasn't i'm gonna wait until college right i slide by in class straight edge until um my high school graduation party i smoked weed in the back of my neighbor's car with my brother you're so fucking cool i know i feel like that's a good first experience smoke weed in the back of a car with your brother it was a good first experience yeah because he's like he's your family yeah and he's like a major stoner too so i like could trust him you know um he's a very high functioning stoner that made me it's like dead dead beat he's not he's just high a lot i think most people are high functioning stoners

they're like especially now i have anxiety and this makes it worse but yeah right it gets me through the day yeah yeah that's so real um but yeah no i uh was not interested in doing anything in high school apparently people would do like whippets in their locket their lockers in high school in their lockers just like do a little like do a line out of their locker i had no idea any of the shit was going on i was like a theater kid that was like everyone here is perfect and nobody there's anything wrong me and my fellow theater kids were generally not doing drugs yep yeah i told on one guy who was doing drugs enough time has passed that if he found out it was me it wouldn't be a big deal he was like sitting in jail like his only access to life is the holy hour he

would like go into the the if the someone was in the boys dressing room bathroom you come into the girls dressing room bathroom and i heard him like crushing up pills and snorting them oh lord um and i can't remember what they were but we had just recently had like a friend of a friend their like son died from overdosing and um like on the same thing i think it was oxy that makes sense and so then i told a teacher and shit got crazy he was the lead of the play oh shit he's actually super talented even like in high school my mom was like that guy's in high school what the fuck like he's so talented so he's the lead and then they told his parents and then he was like going through withdrawals during rehearsal and they got a yeah i'm a tattletale i'm a fucking snitch you

might have saved his life though honestly yeah you might have maybe i hope so um he was very mad he was and then one of my friends knew and that it that it was me and she was there when i was talking to the teacher and she was like we have to tell him and i was like can you shut the fuck up no we don't yeah and he like blamed her because she just is like a one of those yeah back to euphoria the writing is fucking incredible i have never i think sam levinston the writer and director i think that sam levinston was an addict i'm pretty sure that would make sense because or at least was like obviously very close to addiction but i think i read today that i think he i think he's a man i actually don't know but i read today that the creator of euphoria

was an addict and so it's interesting to see like the perspective of that person written in these characters and zendaya you can tell has like thrown herself into like researching so she can feel as close to this as possible because like she is it i believe it like i believe that she's addicted to things she's incredible she's fucking amazing in the pilot episode when she's explaining like those few moments of peace when you can't breathe and then i was thinking about like that's how i feel after a panic attack yeah it's just like silence in my brain for once wow yeah it's like the like the calm after the storm kind of thing real um nate jacobs this isn't giving anything away mr bad guy slash archie yeah wow yeah he um is one of those characters he is written

in a way that like you learn his backstory and why he is the way that he is and he's still very unlikable he's so well written because sometimes when they like show the backstory of a character it's like you start to feel like bad for them you know yeah not make jacobs i think that's a good message you know some people are just a fucking villain yeah and it's not an excuse for people being shitty no remember that respect yourself I cut you off in your intro about Moscow oh my god that's right I was like how did we get onto yeah sorry I don't remember talking about sobriety so Liz and I got drunk on Saturday for our friend's birthday that was fun it was fun I had a lot of fun I hurt really bad the next day but um that was fun yeah I yeah I was fine I was my

so i took mushroom i took mushrooms and they hit me so late and then everyone was like asking me to make decisions and i was like i'm in another dimension right now like and then your other shroom buddy left you she always does that shit she did that on my birthday i was like we're gonna we're gonna have a sleepover yeah and then she's like anyways bye i miss my cats yeah she's so funny I was like what but actually why are you leaving and she's like truthfully I miss my cats and I was like that's fine I get it especially when you're on shrooms you're like I want to pet them I want to hug something soft yeah um so we were out so I was fucked up drunk I I don't know what happened I'm surprised I wouldn't have guessed that really yeah you held it together

well thank god I had such a shame over the next day and I think it's because I texted Moscow so that's the story I texted Moscow I drunk texted Moscow because I was posting stories and he was the first one to view the stories every single time I posted one and it started to become a thing where I was like I'm gonna like right when I posted that I would like refresh my viewers and he was always the first one so I texted him um go to sleep and he was like how the fuck do you know that I'm awake and we just like launched into this whole conversation that was like very inappropriate to be talking to in my mind if you have a girlfriend which I think we've established that he doesn't but he's still he's still saying that he does um but we talked for like an hour

and a half and it wasn't anything like flirty there was really nothing flirty in there except for him saying like oh yeah I view your stories because I genuinely care what you're up to I'm like that's nice you know but it wasn't like flirty however if I knew that my boyfriend was texting a girl that he had hooked up with while she was drunk for like a long time yeah also in the middle of the night yeah it was like one in the morning when we left right yeah at least one or 1 30 texting him when we were walking back up so that was late um and so i texted him the next day and i was like super not kosher to be 28 and drunk texting a guy i used to hook up with i know I told you this um on what was it Saturday when if you're if we're friends and you're listening

uh just pretend you didn't hear this I guess like when I get like an Instagram DM from someone replying my story I get frustrated because I'm like oh now that I have another responsibility I have another person I need to follow up with I think that working in social media has made me hate looking at social media you know because it's like work now you know like paid media like I'm on my I'm either on my phone or looking at messages or emails or whatever every second of the day that if I get a message I'm like I just don't even a text message though not even just like an Instagram DM like yeah text me I'm just like I don't have time I can't I can't read another thing it's because it like takes away it's one of those things that also takes away

from like your personal time you know you're giving your time to another person even though it's like just messaging that's does that make sense yeah i i saw something recently that was like if you're on your phone you should be texting me back blah blah you're insecure okay it's no one's obligation to talk to you when you want them to now it's like asking somebody like if they can hang out during their free time and it's like no i'm actually like holding this time to just like do nothing it's the same kind of thing like I just want to like be in my home that's how I know I'm getting old oh my god same I have no FOMO I have whatever what is the opposite of FOMO LOMO love of missing out LOMO um so you how did Moscow respond here so I texted him and I said super not kosher

to be 28 and drunk texting genuinely sorry he said I really don't mind it's flattering and then I texted Liz and I was like I feel like you shouldn't feel flattered yeah so I said I just feel like if a girl my boyfriend had hooked up with was drunk texting him I'd be pissed you know and he said sure but I'm not engaging you in any way that's not platonic I'm not offended or uncomfortable so don't worry about me it's not about you it's about her your partner yeah I said well thanks for easing the shame over he said really not pressed about it happy you feel comfortable talking about it and then i just didn't respond but i think you should have been a little more confrontational see i was thinking after i talked to him the thing about him is he is so like he

takes no prisoners in his arguments and well it doesn't even need to be an argument or that i know but it would have turned into an argument you know what i mean like that's the kind of energy that he comes in with um like whenever i've called him out on anything in the past like even like in a joking way it like turns into like a kind of thing like you know he doesn't i i don't i don't know so i was like it was one of those things that it was like i was happy to bring it up and then i just didn't feel like it was worth it at the end of the day because it was like he was going to turn it around and be like it's not even anything you're making this a big deal and it's not like we're just friends it's like it's just like drunk texting a friend no that you know i don't want to

fuck up i didn't want to be like gaslit grow i was being ridiculous the fuck up like just be respectful of your partner and like i don't know yeah i i think that no matter what we say um there's gonna be people who are gonna like give say whatever excuse that they want to like make themselves feel better of like oh well i don't see it as like yeah um anything crossing a line and i'm not being flirtatious in my opinion it there's just boundaries in relationships that should just be respected automatically and we talk about suspicious stuff like this all the time suspicious behavior like this and i like mr liz doesn't do anything like this so it's not like it's impossible yeah because he doesn't feel the need to get any sort of like approval or admiration

from someone else to know that he's worthy yeah and that's how i wish everyone would feel and i know that's not true but i think that's a reflection of behavior that shows that you're not ready for a relationship yeah because you are putting your insecurities over the respect of your significant other so then like what's even the point of being in a relationship if you can't honor the one that you have totally i mean when we were like when him and i were like ending it you know and i told him like yeah it's probably like because he was friends with my ex so i was like yeah it's probably like a good idea that week because i think that this wasn't like tenable anyway and he was like yeah well i was like trying to tell myself that too to like make myself feel

better about like making this call but like i think it would have been fine and if i was his girlfriend reading like his text messages and saw my if if my boyfriend was saying like oh i was trying to make myself feel better about this this very difficult decision i'd be like go fuck yourself it shouldn't be a difficult decision yeah if you're stuck between me and her don't choose me that's like always what i that's that's because i like i would feel so fucking insecure she probably doesn't know about me though you know if she does exist yeah i bet she doesn't yeah and how i've just we've talked about this before and this has been like there have been other kind of similar suspicious situations one of which I think leads in perfectly to

um kind of like a comparison that I have that I've been thinking about for a while so uh what episode are we 73 yeah so 71 episodes ago holy shit I I believe it was that long ago i talked about a guy that i had been talking to online i met him on twitter twitter by um and i like no hard feelings like i honestly still think he's like a funny person but we don't talk at all but he like will he he's in a relationship and he didn't lie about it yeah there are pictures of her um and they seem really happy honestly um but then he'll like go through my instagram photos and randomly like an old one he won't like any of the ones with mr liz in them which i think is so funny because i like the ones with his girlfriend i'm like she's so cute and you guys are cute

together yeah so um and it's not like we i don't know it wasn't like it was serious it was always going to end but he'll always like go through and like my pictures and like he'll he'll do them sometimes he'll do like a back and forth thing like one time I was like what's this about so then I went and liked one of his pictures and then he just like went back and like liked more that is such like a 21st century way of flirting it's just weird yeah and then he went back to watching my stories and um he doesn't like any of my tweets anymore I feel like now now I sound stupid saying it no it just feels so pointed though it's like he'll just like randomly like a picture that he hasn't liked in the past yeah it's just like out of nowhere yeah it'll always

be out of nowhere it'll always be like an attractive picture of me and he like will dig it's like old pictures and i had talked to mr liz about it and i was like this guy that i was like kind of talking to before i met you he doesn't live here so it doesn't matter but he will still like randomly like some of my pictures i don't post very often and then he'll go in and like like some of them and then i was like what what like he has a girlfriend though so i don't really understand what's going on and then he's like i mean he's obviously still attracted to you right that way yeah like i don't do that shit with guys that i'm not attracted to you know yeah like yeah it's just it's just strange behavior i was just thinking that it would

bother me if i were the other person like it's unrealistic to think like um you are not going to be attracted to other people just because you're in a relationship like right that's just part of being a human that's just human to be like this person is attractive that but i think where people get confused and men especially no offense dudes but like just because you're attracted to someone doesn't mean you need to do something about it like it does it's not that deep like knowing someone is attractive is not that deep and like I this is this is clearly like behavior to get my attention so I'm wondering what the goal is here real very very real it that's the thing is like it's one thing to be attracted to someone it's another thing to let

them know that you think that they're attractive and it's a whole other step to have history with them yeah and it's like we've seen we've sent each other nude pictures and videos so it's not nothing but it's just cool there's some i just don't understand the motivation behind it i don't know especially because you think they might be living together i have no idea maybe that's real fucked so i guess that's just confusing to me and i think it it it's walking the line of like being inappropriate you know because he's not doing anything bad it's just a common he hasn't reached out to me at all he like it's to get your attention though it's a common courtesy thing this is my issue is like it doesn't and this is my issue with moscow too it's like

well i'm not doing anything wrong like and true like you're objectively just like engaging with somebody that you consider a friend that's fine that's the bare minimum right that's the bare minimum of being a good person and partner like it doesn't matter it does not matter what the intention it really is it matters how how you're being perceived by the people that you care about and well so you know I can't help but think like what would his girlfriend feel right if she knew and then my feelings aren't being considered yeah true like yeah you're you want my attention yeah totally i think that in the case of twitter bay and moscow like i think for both of those situations we were like kind of like conquests for them and so it's like a trophy that they have now

truly which is like not just that's not i think he wants me to reach out to him when he does that probably but i think that he likes knowing that there he still has this little thread i think that that's the that like that's an it's truly it's truly not that deep like no if if i'm liking one of his tweets is because i think it's funny yeah and i wouldn't i actually would sincerely appreciate if you talk to me like a normal person yeah but i think that's also just kind of where age difference shows up is i i had been talking to my therapist about um like uh something with mr liz it wasn't like a an argument or anything it was just kind of like a difference in viewpoints and she was like well he's 28 and you're 30 and even though that's not a big difference

don't you feel like you were very different at 28 versus now and i was like fuck yeah absolutely so even though even in just two years i just think your entire 20s you are going through a shitload of change at any given moment real there is no relief there's so much life lived in like a year of your 20s that like two years difference is that's a that's a big yeah amount of time yeah so um i think that twitter bae how much younger is he three and a half years maybe i can't remember okay so he's younger than me yes yes i think he's 26 i can't stand that man i don't mind him i know you don't but i'm also like i go like full like mafia when i when when your feelings get hurt at all yeah dead to me yeah dead to me i just i think it's strange um but this i think also ties into

some it's kind of just me venting i've been holding on to this for so long because i would always remove it from episodes because it was just running too long and i just didn't feel like i was very good with my words i don't know so i'm really really excited about this topic i it's because i'm sure there are other people who can relate to this too so and it's in kind of the same vein of just like suspicious behavior so before mr liz and i started dating or made anything official um he had a friend who like he always saw her as just a friend they had hooked up in the past but his stance was like he had told her from the beginning of of them hooking up like i don't want a relationship with you i'm not romantically attracted to you and he only said

it once and he says he blames himself for not like continuing that conversation and he thinks like it was immature of him and i admire that i admire he recognizes that and he thinks he could have just been better at communicating she was like super super in love with mr liz just like a lost puppy and you know we've all we've all been that bitch and also you know you know oh yeah i was like babe i get it oh yeah same honestly yeah so um literally the day he drove me to the airport and like right before that he had he was like i want to exclusively date you i want you to be my girlfriend he drives me to the airport later that day he hangs out with this girl and um she confesses again i think this is her second time doing this confesses her love for him and she was

like i don't know if you're seeing anyone he's like i am you should say yeah he's like i am seeing someone i have a girlfriend but uh she was like oh well i like i'm in love with you basically and he was like have i done anything to like i i've told you from the beginning i would be interested in being your friend but i don't want anything more than that like months ago so have i done anything to make you think that that's what i wanted and she's like no but like you made me i i like thought that you did and he was like why she was like i don't know you do like nice things for me like pick me up from the airport and the thing about mr lose is he's considerate he's a good friend yeah so it made me really sad when he told me that and I was like he because

that's he when he told me that he was explaining how he recognizes that the bar is in hell I was just about to say that like the fact that that kind of thing is like oh my god he must like me is like do more men yeah do more for your girlfriend oh I don't know and it was just kind of sad to hear yeah but she um I think they kind of cut off their friendship for a bit because she was like i can't see you with anyone else that's gonna like devastate me and he's like okay and like did not talk to her see ya and then um she so this girl's been a pain in my ass ever since then because she i'm trying to remember all the do you want me to help yeah she like started to change her appearance to like look like you yeah which was weird i

and it was right after so she ended up meeting me because mr liz brought me to a party but he was like do you want to come to this party with me and i was like well if that girl's there like i want to be respectful of her feelings because i you know i don't want her or anyone else to have a bad time if she sees us that's so mature you would have been like yeah i'm on my fucking way i'm already there well i also had to consider and i'm really thankful he told me this because i told him from the beginning like my ex used to do this thing where someone he had hooked up with would be at an event or we'd be going to their fucking birthday party and he wouldn't tell me and i would like i don't care that you did it's just i don't want to be the last to know

it's just shady to not say yeah it's really weird yeah like there's nothing to be ashamed of and um sure maybe i'll be a little jealous but it's also not that big of a deal just feels like a power play and when you don't when you're keeping it a secret it's just weird because you're like why are you hiding this from me anyways so I had told him like don't ever do shit like that to me because I'll kill you good um so he told me like oh you know these people I hooked up with in the past are gonna be there and then I was like well just make sure it's okay if I come because I don't want to cause any problems or like ruin this person's day and she was like no it's totally fine um and then afterwards when I met her I had an eyebrow slit I have one again now but she then

she got one and then after that um she she had mentioned something to me she was like so you're a copywriter and I was like how the fuck did you know that and then uh she started a fucking podcast that's I think that was just like at first I was like oh that's weird like she met me and then she did this she copied like a thing that i had but a lot of people are doing this so i'm not gonna make it that deep and then she started a motherfucking podcast she also changed her hair to like her her hairstyle was exactly like yours at one point she like changed her hair yeah yeah so i forgot about that she like changed how she looked it was the hair and the eyebrow and then and then the podcast so i was like hmm coincidence and i was listening to there was only a few

episodes and that's if you're gonna start a podcast the only tip that I really have is just keep doing it because most people don't make it past 10 episodes when they start a podcast yeah that's so real statistically anyways I listened to a few episodes and she talked about him in almost every single one and I was like that's bitch that's my job he can only be talked about in one podcast and it's mine yeah but i wanted to tell mr liz this because um he he didn't talk to her at all well so there was one day where i was gonna bring it up to him and say like this person just makes me uncomfortable and i was gonna tell him like she has this podcast and she talks about you because he doesn't know he's not fucking paying attention right he doesn't care yeah um

and then like she had a huge like family thing happen and she went to mr liz about it like they haven't talked in months and she goes to him to tell him about this thing and i was like okay i understand she wants support but like you're not the only person she can get support from that's also like ex behavior you know yeah yeah like I'm going through I'm going through something traumatic I want you to care about me I want to know you still care about me yeah so I don't know and then he was so stressed because he's like I don't want to talk to her I don't really want to be her friend anymore because it can't be platonic like yeah clearly yeah and um after that finally like a few weeks ago well because that happened like a year ago and then finally a few weeks ago

i was like a little drunk and i was like now's the time uh enough time has gone by but i don't like this girl and i because i didn't like what she said about him in her podcast she said some mean stuff just because he didn't have the same feelings for her they call him like a sociopath yeah they're not having feelings for her they're like yeah they called him a sociopath and then i know no with no backup and nothing to back it up no oh and just like the way she talked about him i was like you never really knew him at all it's just like it's so like whatever you know because some people like treat their podcasts as like journals you know it's just that's fine the thing that's weird is just the the level of copying me was very strange i was about to say

it's like it's not really just that she talked about him it's like everything that fucking came with it like her reaching out to him her like clearly like really checking up on what you're doing and like way way after the fact it'd be one thing to like for it to be like a couple of months and like oh my god this sucks because like i still really like him who hasn't been there we've all fucking done that but it went on for so long and they had never even dated yeah like it was just inappropriate and uncomfy for you so i think that that's a unique perspective since we're talking about people being sus and like reaching out to us when they have girlfriends in like weird ways being like the girlfriend in the situation where somebody else is reaching out like it sucks for

the girlfriend regardless of if they're actually engaging with them or not like the fact that there's any sort of tie to like something from the past is like it can be distressing just like don't do it it made me well because not even engaging with her no and it still bugs you because of course it does it but it bugs me less now because you brought it up yeah because i could finally like acknowledge it and he was just amused uh because i was like you know she started a podcast did she talk about you and he was like what and then he was like that's fucking weird and then he was like i feel like i should text her to officially tell her like i don't want to be her friend because he just never texts her back yeah and um i don't know she made him in sims

so they could have sex did i never tell you that no how do you know that uh she he told me about it what the fuck yeah because she told him like a haha look what i did i think that's what she thought it was but i can't imagine saying that with any dignity no so i don't know damn i would feel so fucking chaotic being so hung up on someone that you make them in sims so you can have a fake relationship with them but i would just feel i would feel so chaotic if i had been texting a guy that i was in love with and he just never responded ever and then i like made him in sims and told him and then he just like oh i think this is when they were still friends oh yeah this was before i was in the picture okay yeah yeah but still like the fact that she's been reaching

out so so much and then he like does an answer i would feel massively chaotic like i don't if i don't get like an answer twice from someone i'm like oh my god i don't know i like really start spiraling she she has very chaotic energy from the one time i met her but also just kind of based on how what i've observed and yeah i don't know so as a girlfriend on the other end like when mr Liz told me when I when he picked me up from the airport you know right after he's like do you want like him you want to be my girlfriend um it just made me immediately like anxious because I had thought about it like the past relationships I've been in where something suspicious always does happen and you just want to check their phone because you know you're going to find

something and then you do it's like a protective thing yeah and then you're like okay you've all everyone i've dated has always been fucking sus so that made me that put me on edge i understand that completely but i fuck i think that we need to give our like as a as the human race we need to give ourselves more grace about what our past relationships have done to us yeah because like sometimes i feel myself i had a full fucking meltdown last night and Liz got like a voice note out of the blue I was like I was watching the tinder swindler by the way Liz please just like for the sake of me and the podcast please watch it I have so much shit to say about it but I was watching this and I was texting Liz about it and then I was texting her

just like about like kind of I was in one of my like tirades and then like as I was texting her I was like getting I was like feeling myself like on the verge of a panic attack and I was like uh oh, here we go. Give my like one every six months. I'm overdue. And I just kind of launched into one and I couldn't stop crying. It was like one of those, even after I was like done crying, I couldn't stop. And the more I was thinking about like what was setting me off, it was all past relationship shit. It was like me feeling triggered from past relationship stuff that was popping up in like current situations I'm in right now that were affecting me and like I felt so dumb I kept saying to you I was like I'm just frustrated I'm sad about this and I'm frustrated that I'm

frustrated about it I'm frustrated that I'm crying about it and it's like of course I am you know it's like I have all of this past shit that just like hits me all at once because I keep trying to push it down because I'm like it's in the past I've moved past it but it's like I think just like as a species we have to like give ourselves grace more often for like why shit affects us like it does yeah because of shit that's happened in the past like that stuff doesn't just like go away it becomes a part of us it just becomes a smaller part of us as life goes on and we just want everyone just wants to be able to trust the person they're with you know and even if you're not technically doing something wrong um it that doesn't mean it's not gonna hurt someone else

it reminds me of when in the first episode we released i was talking about no shoe man because he was a musician and he wouldn't wear shoes on stage and he ended up listening did not think that was gonna happen like that's strange i hadn't talked to him in like i don't know six years and the way he broke up with me really hurt my feelings yeah um so he hit me up and he's like let's facetime and then well so first he hit me up on instagram and was like i'd love to catch up with you i listened to the episode that was so funny and he quoted me saying like it's always guys who don't wear shoes that have the best dick and i bet he got that tattooed on him probably i read it but I was like going to the grocery store or something so I didn't reply so he gets the

message that I've seen it or like sees you know on Instagram as a scene uh and then he like backtracks real hard real fast it has only been like half an hour since I looked at it maybe less and then he's like um I'm sorry if that came off weird I'm actually seeing someone so I'm not trying to like hit on you and I was like oh okay um and then we ended up like facetiming and talking about it a little bit and I was like I mean I did not think you were gonna listen I you know this isn't this isn't gonna be the first time I'm talking about someone so I want to know what your perspective was hearing about yourself and he was like I actually thought it was really hot and like he said that he got turned on from it and that's just the direct opposite of what the

point of this is yeah I was like if that's so inappropriate if you're seeing someone and then um I kind of was just like you know what you really hurt my feelings when things ended and I I just want you to know that and then he like finally acknowledged like it's like I thought about that a lot and I'm not proud of that and blah blah blah and you know even six years later I did appreciate an apology totally but it took me calling him out and I think we even talked about it like in the next episode because I was like I'd be pissed if I was his girlfriend yeah and after that he like got his shit together with her and I was just you shouldn't have to be publicly called out for being suspicious and inappropriate like how would you feel if you were dating someone

and you know they used to hook up with or date a girl who now has a sex and dating podcast and you were hitting her up being like yeah i was listening and it made me horny hearing you talk about my pp did a good thing in my mind that's cheating on some level that's cheating because like it's not like cheating and like i don't there are some people that think like watching porn is cheating you know I don't agree with that yeah but then there's like the cheating of like that's like emotional like verbal cheat cheating yeah it makes you feel the same way as if you found out that somebody was like fucking around because they are like don't slide into a girl's dms about how she's making you horny that feels like cheating it's not that's infidelity it's in it's uncool but

those are just the suspicious things that I've been thinking about lately and I think about I suss shit all the time yeah just don't be suss don't be suspicious don't be suspicious all right so we're gonna read a listener email so uh this listener writes hey loves I hope the new year has been so far amazing I love you girls I started listening to the podcast the fall of 2020 and it is by far my favorite podcast it's funny if you look at my podcast list I have lots of true crime and then bam the holy hour hell yeah ours is kind of true crime too sometimes i've had my heart broken a lot that's crime true crime and like hot gossip like kind of go together um i have learned so much from the two of you but the part that sticks out the most was back

in early 2021 i want to say this is the feeling of yes to having sex with someone i never knew that others felt that as well until i heard it on the podcast it also happened to be after i had just done that with a guy i had matched with this guy on a dating app but we matched again and started messaging his name on the app is richard i put quotes because later after i downloaded the mr number app that amelia suggested i learned his name isn't actually richard it's dominic i mean if you're going to do a fake name do a better one than richard what a dick am i right yeah hey okay um anyways finally i was able to find him on facebook after i learned his real name by this time we both hadn't spoken to each other due to the last time

we hooked up let me paint the scene it was either the last week of february or beginning of march i had just gotten my nipples pierced so i had heavy duty sports bra on but he knew about them i wouldn't let him touch due to the healing process and they were for me not him damn right reach it anyways we started hooking up and i asked him to wear a condom he instantly seems annoyed the first time we hooked up we didn't use one but i don't care i was i wasn't gonna do that again he finally looks around his house and finds one but he can't get it up now and his excuse is the condom i have never been so annoyed by this until this moment finally he gets it working i think i don't know but we finish and then we go to the casino for a bit i live in vegas rip girl i'm so sorry

anyways after this day after this day we both stopped talking to each other well fast forward to 2021 new years i haven't slept with anyone due to realizing how men are trash but i was back in my home state of idaho spending it with one of my best friends at the bar her husband owns i really just wanted to hook up with someone this night to feel the weight of a man. I honestly didn't think I was going to actually hook up with anyone considering it's my hometown and everyone knows everyone. Well, I did end up meeting a man I didn't know, even though he graduated from the high school I did. But nevertheless, I most definitely hooked up with him. It was the first time I'd been with anyone since Richard and this new guy we can call Idaho. Anyways, it had been

a long time since I truly felt comfortable with someone in the setting of being naked since my ex and it felt so good we deaf hooked up in my best friend's driveway in Idaho's truck and I learned the next morning that my best friend's neighbor neighborhood is Mormon besides like the two besides like two of the neighbors the point of this is that you ladies have helped me navigate my own journey in my mental health my sexual experiences with men and by myself anyways sorry this was so long but just wanted to say thank you ladies for being so transparent to all of us i told this to amelia the other day um that women who write to us always have some kind of apology like sorry this is so long sorry if you don't want to hear a story like this stop apologizing

we want to hear your stories meanwhile men are over here emailing us the weirdest fucking shit y'all the weirdest stuff and they're not apologizing they're i'm i'm sorry if you've sent us an email um i think most men who send us emails are normal i will say that 99 of emails from men we get are yes yes but we get some weird fucking emails from only dudes and they never apologize for it no they're never apologizing stop apologizing also that wasn't long at all you should see this email we just got i'm not gonna give any more details about this but we got an email last week that was actually the longest email ever from a man and it was no apology to be seen I had a really hard time following along with the email me too it was so

just I was like is this person using like voice to text it was very very strange sometimes guys will message me just be like trying to be a topic on your podcast I'm like oh well it won't be for the reason that you want it to be yeah I'm trying to be a topic on your podcast yeah it's like I so you're saying you want to fuck me yeah just say that don't tie it back to the what just say that so i can block you now yeah it's just fucking stupid it's just annoying it is it is very obnoxious anyway thank you for writing in we fucking love you hearing that we've made a difference in any of y'all's lives in any way like even in the smallest way makes both of us cry weekly yeah yeah it never like it never gets old we are excited every single time i also wanted

to say um this is the first time you guys are listening to the podcast where there's commercials we have ads this is our first shit this is our first blue wire episode i forgot about that yeah so we're officially we're switched over servers we're like we sent them our artwork we're like really getting um locked in and so you're hearing ads on this episode we um are still going to be posting episodes on patreon a day early for our patrons those don't have ads on them so if you want ad free episodes just like subscribe to the lowest tier what is it like five dollars a month yeah five or six bucks five or six bucks ad free um obviously it's an added expense if you want to keep listening with the with the ads that's great i just we know that some people don't like

listening to ads so we have ad free versions on patreon and now it's time for my little spiel at the holy hour tiktok twitter and instagram holy hour podcast at gmail.com for your stories and just like whatever's on your mind we love that most of the time and don't apologize and stop fucking apologizing for your long emails we love your long emails and they're not that long no they they really aren't really not take up more space we love you um and that leads us to our sex fact of the week i never know what you're gonna do we're doing like the thx like intro that's exactly what i sounded like damn good call um so my sex fact of the week this week

is brought to you by um the photographer that did my photos i just got boudoir photos taken and i highly recommend it was so much they look so fucking good thank you they're insane thank you i wanted to show them to mr liz but i was like this will be weird that's fair both of us i was so fucking hyped on them like when i got them i was like i just want to show everybody but so much of them are like not kosher for instagram so they live on twitter now um but anyway one of my friends when she got married she did a boudoir photo shoot too and it was the same thing I was like these look so fucking good I wish I could show someone yeah yeah yeah you can't no you can't but it's so oh my god it's just like really gassed me up a lot I don't know I highly recommend

especially if you're having like a body moment I've been having um a lot of like body dysmorphia recently I mean I've talked in the past about my history with eating disorders so it's been rough and I was like okay this is the perfect time for me to be doing this right now and it was it's also like february is such a fucking sad month in terms of seasonal depression really really is yeah february is not great you're like a you get into like sad bitch mode i'm into angry bitch mode at this point we're a good combo i'm getting really frustrated and irritated quickly anyways well you're also driving now and like seattle drivers that's true that's probably what it is um but my sex act of the week this week is kind of a follow-up from what we talked about

when we were talking about how mormons have sex when they aren't allowed to be having sex yet because they aren't allowed to be like thrusting so they'll soak they'll just like shove it in and just like sit there with it in she told me about something that mormons do um mormon slander she's like really deep into um ex-mormon tiktok right now so she's like been it's like sending me all these videos okay so there's something that mormons not all mormons hashtag not all mormons um will do where they soak and because they can't thrust they'll have somebody jump on the bed i've heard of that so it creates the feeling of thrusting but you're not thrusting but it's a weird mormon threesome i'm thinking about

like you're jumping on the bed but he's soaking inside me we are not the same that is so fucking good you have to tweet that one oh my god that's so funny solid solid work liz you are just like a walking twitter i'm a walking tweet so for this is more of like i guess it's kind of a sex fact but not it it's sad yeah it's a sad fact of the week um and i got this from under the desk news on tiktok um highly recommend following i love when i see their posts they're they're like very like quick and thorough things um but they were explaining that women who are operated on by male surgeons versus female surgeons have a 15 higher likelihood of experiencing a complication

and a 32 higher chance of death when operated on a male surgeon versus a male or a female surgeon and um this is a study from the university of toronto and the doctor conducting the study said that she doesn't think like it's anything technical she thinks it has to do with implicit bias and just women having better communication skills and bedside manner and wow um i mean just even thinking about it now like my experiences with male doctors versus female doctors has been dramatically better not to say I haven't had shitty fucking female doctors I had the worst gynecologist in Las Vegas who did not tell me anything I was telling Mr. Liz about my experience with my old gynecologist and he was traumatized for me yeah he was like what the fuck Liz yeah

it's awful yeah and I mean I feel very lucky in Seattle because I feel like people actually listen to me like I'll probably open up about this more but I'm going through some health stuff right now and by the time this episode comes out I'll be like mentally recovering from a an appointment the day before but even like my doctor that I was talking to like she's so understanding of how I'm feeling right now and just the fact that like I'm being listened to and everyone's being so comforting and being like we're gonna take such good care of you we totally understand how you're feeling like how let us know how we can make you more comfortable I was just like can I hug you yeah and like how women aren't taken seriously for like pains that they're having

especially women with anxiety anyone with anxiety they're like it's anxiety right so then like their very real symptoms get ignored and some people die because of that and that's fucked and that's not good for people with anxiety because it's like no it's not exciting i'm gonna die over this and like all of the when i got my tonsils out my surgeon was a man and i was fucking terrified like the idea of like being asleep and somebody cutting out a part of my throat i was like not about it and i was crying my eyes out i was so fucking nervous and he came in and he was like it's fine you know and then like the nurses came in and they were like holding my hand and they're like it's okay breathe with me and they were all so great they're all women

but like i'm just like frustrating like the guy that's cutting a chunk out of my throat doesn't give a fuck about how scared i am and i was like at that just zero bedside manner just have like some just pretend a little bit just like yeah have like an ounce of this is about the camera's just have like an ounce of empathy in your little fucking body i know you're capable of it surgeons are so goddamn smart just like you know practice a little bit of a little bit of empathy um right let's wrap it up okay one thought it's just about like women and their like ailments and their bodies not being taken seriously crash dummies in car tests are built for male bodies so or at least historically they have been i know so it's like that's how a man will survive a crash but

not a woman not a female body what the fuck i know i recently learned that anyway so um so something why because we don't matter liz all right anyway that's a really happy note to end on we love you so much it's like out of control oh yeah we do um we'll talk to you next week we love you our children i i don't like this give me a note wow that was very catholic that sounded like a catholic i think that sounded bad that's why it sounded like catholic You're welcome.