The Hoely Hour - Go F*ck Megan

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

WE’RE BAAAAACK! Amelia’s driving this week’s episode which means it has zero structure and we take about 3 hours to get to the actual topic. We discuss the most coo-coo bananas AITA that is so unbelievable, it might not be true…but we’re choosing to believe it is. + an update from a listener! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Ursula is like pretty hot. I'm going to respectfully disagree. I have to show you. Have you looked at Ursula recently? Because she is a baddie queen. Is she new Ursula? OG Ursula is kind of mommy. people are really fucking weird about the stranger things kids in what way like they're too obsessed

with what they're doing oh yeah they're they're still freaking kids as far as i'm concerned i know but then i like like why are you as like a 35 year old invested in the personal life of a 21 year old that's weird to me no i completely agree but also like i texted liz because like it's a little uncomfy that um caleb i think his last name is mclaughlin from stranger things he plays um he plays uh see now i have to my y'all i didn't sleep last night i know that i say that every week it's because it's true every week the one that's dating sadie sink in the show yeah i don't i know her name max lucas lucas he's hot now which is like really hard for me to reason with and liz texted back she was like yeah that like the fact that like we were adults when they were kids and

now they're adults is evidence of how creepy some men are yeah when kids become attractive adults yeah like within the time frame that you were already an adult it is weird yeah and then it really yeah it does really show how fucking creepy like some adult men are yeah like i don't know it's like these are these are full full adults but i'm still a little like i don't feel like i should be thinking that they're attractive that you are cute yeah like you have abs now even if you are an adult like yeah i don't know i don't know i will i will also say i feel like whenever i see like um a guy and who's clearly in their early 20s to me i just i don't know i feel like not a they're not attractive or like or i can recognize

like oh this is a child yeah you're good looking i guess yeah but i'm not like oh i'm attracted to you yeah that's the difference it's like you i can identify that you're attractive but i'm not attracted to you yeah that's a very important distinction yeah even in my like little fantasy books like when the characters are like 19 and I just I I pretend that's not part of the book yeah yeah 19 is still a child yeah I pretend everyone's like in their 20 late 20s and 30s because I just yeah I don't know I remember thinking I was so grown at 19 we all did like I remember having a conversation with myself when I was 19 because I was still a freshman or I had I was just about to graduate to graduate um and my freshman year in college and I was like I have

to remember how adult I feel so that I like don't talk down on other freshmen next year you know that's really funny I remember thinking that because I was like I feel so grown so like freshmen next year are gonna feel so grown too and I have to respect that now I look back I'm like no what I wasn't even grown as a senior I look back on I don't I even when we started this podcast I'm like wow you didn't know anything we really knew nothing and now I just now I just accept that I don't know anything yeah I feel like I'm starting to know stuff you know yeah and even then like just a five years we'll probably be like we didn't know shit when we were that age yeah which is crazy yeah well I guess I like something that's easy to compare is like

the beginning of your career versus like you know 10 years into your career how much different you are like I was definitely more of a girl boss at the beginning of my career yeah and now I know so much more than I knew when I was like really ambitious yeah and I'm like oh she didn't know anything no that's so real that's so real you know like I feel like there I'm a little different in the sense of like I was so scared at the beginning of my career and I truly I was so aware that I knew fucking nothing but I was still like I still like demanded respect in a way that's like yes I should have been respected and I did not earn it and now it's like when I see like younger people coming in I don't really work with them directly but like when I used like years ago

when I used to work with people new in their career and they would like demand respect I'd be like you don't know fucking shit yeah I I had blind confidence yeah but it was more like confidence in like um I don't know if it was necessarily like oh I know everything it was more just like I was really ambitious yeah and sometimes I wonder what I would have been able to accomplish if there weren't so many people in my way saying no like why would you as a manager say no to someone who wants to do more yeah that's crazy to me yeah that is a little I was like oh i want to learn how to manage this side of things yeah and then they're like no yeah like well i'm volunteering to do more work for no extra money yeah because i don't know anything yet

but then like if you aren't reaching enough they're like you really need to work on leveling up by yourself yeah you need to you need to be actually operating at the level above you in order to get a promotion and then the longer you work the more you realize like how many people are just like fucking playing politics and don't actually care about accomplishing anything yeah like i think that's the hardest part is i don't give a shit about the office politics i'm like no keep me out of it yeah tell me about it all because i like to hear about it but i don't want to be part of it and i just want to do my little job yeah and at least make it interesting for myself i just feel like people that care enough to be invested in office politics like that that honestly and i

don't mean this in like a petty way like I'm sad for them you know because it's like this is what you want to invest your energy I spent my I spent my last therapy session talking to my therapist about this exact thing because I like sometimes I'll just get so wrapped up in my own like head that it feels kind of crazy when you're at work with people who are like that and you're like how how are you how do you feel this way about your job and you can't like identify like a bigger purpose in the world like how are you making like b2b sass like literally your passion yeah uh I don't know so then it makes me feel like I'm insane because I'm like am I crazy that b2b sass isn't my passion no I've been saying this for forever it's like I'm so uninspired

to like level up because i don't want my life to become what they do like working until the lights shut off in the office it's like there's always something in me that wants to do a good job like for sure i think and i think it's just my need for praise no i'm the same way yep i that i liked it i i also just like the shame of doing a bad job i think is what motivates me to do a good job oh yeah i don't take constructive feedback well i actually don't mind constructive feedback like oh I hate it and that's the only area of my life where I am fine with taking constructive feedback like Mr. Liz sometimes I've seen memes like this and I'll send them to him but sometimes he'll point out he'll be like if I said any of the things you're saying to me right

now you would be so mad at me yeah yeah yeah yeah and and I'm not mean to him it's just more like um like don't go out of the house dressed like that yeah like sometimes like little candid things that only i can get away with joking about yeah with him and i do have that self-awareness where i'm like you were absolutely right if you said this to me i would be very offended yeah yeah i love those videos of the dads reading what the moms have said to them that they could never get away with saying back to them i think it's so fucking funny it's so true um yeah but at work i'm like like because like i think i think it's easier to separate like this me from my job i'm like this is my job yeah i need i need you to give me feedback so i can do my job well enough to not

get yelled at or get in trouble i don't know if i've ever really gotten in trouble at work i haven't either but i i truly like i think because i do so much like when i'm asked to do something i do the very most to make sure i don't get constructive feedback that when i do get it i'm so deeply offended because i'm like i thought of fucking everything and you're just saying something so that you have something to say i hate that shit yeah i do hate when it's like clearly you are clearly you have something you just want to have something to say yeah you just want to have some input or like my um one of my managers had said this before like he pointed out like some people do that because like you're doing such a good job that they want

to put their fingers on it so they can take some credit for what you're doing totally and i was like oh shit I never thought of that but that's so true I don't know I just like when you had a boss like that can I say that yeah I I did and she's probably still hate listening I you know what even though she sucks and like I do I I wouldn't even say I have a grudge I she there's no way I have enough of a grudge for both of us there's no way she will ever be as bad as like my very first manager in my career yeah you have that woman comparison is a nightmare like at least the manager you're talking about right now like at least she like knew shit like yeah my my very first manager like in my marketing career she's a fucking grifter yeah like i'm like the more i

learned the more i'm like how the fuck did you get this job you don't know anything yeah so oh my god wait speaking of bosses I feel like I haven't talked about this on this podcast I had my boss got fired well this was years and years ago this is when we were at the old company that you and I both worked at my I don't remember why I was between boss oh no okay so my original boss had left oh well I think I remember this story this is fucking crazy fun story and so then they back filled with the VP of the company who then like I don't know how much I want to say I'm not going to say anything about him but he so he ended up getting fired too and then um but before he got fired they ended up backfilling my manager role with this woman who she was like a fucking ray

of sunshine she was they she was the best like she was so kind and she cared about everybody on the team and she wanted she like got me my first raise at the company like she was amazing and like she was so affirming she would like gave me my first crystal ever like she was just like she was just so great but like there were some things that were weird like she never wanted to be in any pictures like we took like a group uh halloween picture on the floor that you worked on i'm this was before you started working okay um and she was like dressed up for halloween and she was like i'm not going i don't like my picture being taken and i was like okay some people just don't like their picture being taken whatever but then like she just kind of kept being more and more

secretive about like random little shit and then i would be like is this person in witness protection that's kind of what it felt like but she ended up um was she just having an affair well no she was really uh sensitive really sensitive like she would like cry a lot and um my god the client what there's someone at the door sorry i'm always worried they're gonna ring the doorbell because i'm probably gonna launch off the couch there was one day that uh our client was being a dick and our client at the time was she was the fucking worst and um my boss like was like you can't fucking talk to us that way like like fuck you and hung up the phone on her and left and at my age this was my like first year working at a company and i was like that was

fucking sick and i was like so amped about it and then she got fired that day yeah and then she kept texting me like just like checking in every so often to be like how are you she ended up like opening up about like her abusive dad and then disappeared off the face of the earth just like blipped off the face of the earth never heard from her again um i couldn't find her anywhere and I looked her up and um I eventually figured out like how to find her because I had this like background check software and she had changed her name like four or five times like not like marriage wise like they were always like kind of iterations of the same name just a little bit different but not different enough that's like oh maybe it was like a typo somewhere you know

I mean it was like they were like they were very different and she had moved a bunch of times oh my god it was like there was like all of these court records that were attached to her name that like they were like there was no information on them but she had been like involved in all of these court records and she's just gone i've not i have no idea where she is she changed her phone number she's gone and she's had a bunch of phone numbers since then do you have like a any sort of hunch why i guess if someone was in witness protection they wouldn't you wouldn't be able to find that right right I don't think so that would be kind of counterintuitive the name that she had when she worked at the company was like a very common name too so the only reason that I

was able to find her was because I had one of her phone numbers you know I wonder if she had like a really horrible ex-boyfriend maybe I mean she she felt a little like battered you know what I mean like she was crying all the time like all the time so like it felt like she had been through something I don't know if it was like you know abuse or you know she was like trying to hide from somebody that was abusive to her I don't know but she's she has gone off the face of the earth it's very bizarre you know what I kind of respect that you know same I don't know the reasons why if it's just because she wants to be unfindable it's just weird to open up about your life like that to me and then just disappear like the next day you know what I mean yeah like and

then also it paired with all of the strange secretive behavior when she worked with us yeah like i don't want to be in any pictures yeah i don't know the fact that she blew up on her client is pretty funny oh yeah it was dope anyway i don't know how we got here i want to read you this am i the asshole okay we're 20 minutes in i don't know how that happens every time well we're we're 17 minutes in i also have to tell the listeners i got a i got a taste of the good life this weekend and got as much sleep as i should for the first time in a very long time like i didn't wake up in the middle of the night how many hours seven and a half but i did not wake up once which has not happened since i was a child i woke up and i was like i felt like the birds

were chirping and i wonder if you followed my sleep routine if you would be sleeping sleeping good you know maybe i'm willing to try anything i have done i have done so much work to fix my sleep hygiene so much work and it's nothing works i've like tried a bunch of different meds that are like all natural meds right now i'm doing melatonin and ashwagandha which is honestly it's doing the best job it's helping it's doing the best job it's up to my sleep score quite a bit but i also got a new um screen protector for my phone that's supposed to help with glare and blue light which are both contributors of sleep i will say i'm pretty sure blue light doesn't actually do anything i've been seeing conflicting reports yeah mr liz is very much like blue light

it's not a real thing i was like i know well when i look at my phone it does like when i am looking at a screen it is harder for me to fall asleep yeah after right i mean it's also like just like the activity going on on your phone too it's just like activating also so i've not been using my phone like an hour before bed like the internet fucking says i've done everything what if you're not looking at your phone but you're like listening to a podcast or an audiobook or something i've tried that i've tried um guided meditation i've tried just laying down with the cat and not looking at anything before getting into bed have you tried jerking your penis no because i always feel activated after i have an orgasm oh interesting isn't that annoying i feel like i can run like a

marathon like because that's the advice i guess i mean unless you want to sleep you know well um when when i so like when i'm going to bed i have you know i still have nights where i can't totally fall asleep as quickly as i'd like but i will wait at eye mask oh that's and that makes a big difference on your back no i'm a side sleeper and the way that i mask works uh-huh where did you get it uh just amazon what the fuck yeah so well if i'm trying to fall asleep like i'll start out on my back um and then once i'm like starting to doze off i'll roll okay that's what they say to do in guided meditation yeah i'll put my pillow under my knees uh-huh and then i roll over and put it between my legs um good spine alignment i have my

weighted eye mask and then i have these like they are expensive they're called oslo uh earbuds and they play white noise oh yeah um and they're designed to sleep with them so they're about to ask okay because i've i got side sleeper ear like um head bud like earbuds for white noise and stuff and they're like so fucking painful these ones these ones have different tip sizes that you can use i called oslo's yeah you can also buy that on those on amazon i'm pretty sure um they you have to use their fucking app which is kind of annoying but i don't know i can't sleep any other way now wow oh my god these are expensive holy shit how much are they now 280 yeah did you buy them at 350 i bought no i bought them for less i bought them at like 250 wow and that's when they were

still doing what's it called when it's like a fundraiser a fundraiser they're like when they're like just starting oh kickstarter yeah yeah yeah i bought it when they still were doing it oh my god she was an early adopter so these are like the same there used to be a Bose type of earbud like this um and then Bose stopped supporting and making them yeah uh and a lot of people were very upset yeah and then the engineers from Bose like branched off and made these okay yeah I have like the early noise canceling Bose earbuds and they go with me on every trip because like every time I have to share a room with anyone it's the only way that i'll sleep i do i love a rain noise when i'm going to sleep uh i i'm more

of a white noise okay or even brown noise i love brown noise like more like a whooshing sound yeah is what i like okay you know i have been like all weekend i was looking up uh like sleep studies to do and so many of them are like for sleep apnea it's like impossible to find something that just like looks at why you wake up a lot in the middle of the night because there's some there's something clinical going on there has to be like this is not normal that like I have like a 50 out of 100 sleep score every night whenever I tell people that have Nora ring that they're like what the fuck is wrong with you like how are you functioning and I think that I'm just one of those people that I've gotten so used to functioning on no sleep that it's like just how it is now but again this

weekend I got a taste of the good life and I've got so much fucking shit done around the house and i got so many errands done and now i'm even more committed to figuring out what the fuck is wrong with me but multiple people in my family have sleep apnea so i might have that and just not snore anyway um i'm gonna read you this am i the asshole okay that is so cuckoo bananas that i knew i had to read it to you i'm not gonna read the title real but some people think it's not real but there's nothing to back that up people are let's just believe it's real because that sounds saying that it's not real because it's so unbelievable like it's so batshit crazy but i'm gonna get comfy for this there's no other evidence to support that so we're just gonna

choose to believe that it's real okay i'm not gonna read you the headline because it's gonna give it away okay this is an mi the asshole though i 29 female have been married to my husband 31 male for five years we've had a good relationship overall but there's always been one issue his girl best friend Megan 30F she's been in his life since childhood and while I've always felt a bit felt a bit uneasy about their closeness I trusted my husband and tried to be cool with it Megan is always around she's at our house constantly they text all the time and she even comes on family vacations with us every time I brought up how their friendship made me uncomfortable my husband would brush it off saying she's practically a sister and that I was

overreacting tale as old as time to make matters more complicated my mother-in-law 58 female is amazing she's always had my back and has told me multiple times that if megan makes me uncomfortable i should talk to my husband about setting boundaries on the other hand my father-in-law 60 male i love that she says the ages of her mother and father-in-law not necessary um has a very different attitude he adores megan and has always said that she's part of the family and that i quote unquote just need to deal with it he thinks my discomfort with their friendship is just jealousy fast forward to two months ago my husband started acting distant coming home late being secretive with his phone and just off I had a gut feeling something was wrong so one night I went

through his phone while he was in the shower that's when I found out he and Megan had been having an affair for months I was crushed I confronted him and he admitted everything he swore it was a mistake said he loved me and begged me not to leave him I didn't know what to do so I stayed quiet for a bit trying to process everything a couple of weeks later my in-laws hosted a big family barbecue and I was still reeling from the affair but my husband convinced me to come saying we needed to keep up appearances while we worked things out boo i know i went but i was to reconcile especially knowing megan would be there sure the fuck sure enough megan showed up like nothing had happened acting all friendly with everyone including me i was boiling inside but

i kept it together then during dinner my father-in-law made some offhand comments about how megan would always be a part of the family and that i needed to get over my insecurities he said this in front of everyone that was my breaking point i stood up looked straight at him and said you know what i would get over it if she wasn't sleeping with my husband the entire table went silent megan's face turned white and my husband tried to calm me down but i wasn't having it i told everyone exactly what had been going on the sneaking around the lies the betrayal my mother-in-law was furious but not at me she laid into my husband and megan saying they destroyed our marriage and disrespected me my father-in-law though had the audacity to say that i was

overreacting and that affairs happened but i shouldn't have aired it out in front of the family he even defended megan saying she made a mistake and we should all move on i left the barbecue and had been what are you fuck megan dad yeah go fuck megan dad both the father and the son are having an affair with megan is that how it sounds no that would be fucking crazy though but somehow it's crazier than that i left the barbecue and have been staying with my mom ever since my husband keeps begging me to come home and my mother-in-law has been supportive but my father-in-law is telling the whole family that i'm the one causing the drama and blowing things out of proportion am i the asshole for exposing their affair in front of everyone at the barbecue

should i have kept it private or was i right to call them out after everything there are multiple edits and updates so just to stop there i would say she's not the asshole obviously yeah if if her if um what okay so let's presume this is real once you pointed out that they're adding the ages of like the in-laws that's when i was like maybe this is fake really yeah uh because it's not necessary to do that yeah that's true it's like too much information the age of the parents like no one fucking cares about that yeah um but people want to know the ages of the people in like the couple that are having an issue because if they're like fucking 17 you're like yeah you're 17 yeah right to get over it you're 17 and teenage boys are fucking stupid yeah this won't matter in five

yeah you just shouldn't take them seriously yeah um but if we're assuming this is real why the fuck after discovering they had an affair would her husband be like yeah and the person i had an affair with is gonna be at this barbecue right like are you fucking stupid yeah well if she's like i mean i would be like absolutely not i'm not going yeah and this bitch but if i'm going this bitch better not be there yeah right see okay so here's my thing is like i would say that this is real based on how like that was the first part of the story before adding all of the edits and it's not that out of it's not that crazy you know what i mean like that's just kind of like a pretty normal like my husband cheated and i like freaked out at a party story you know what i mean

i i just think like why would this dipshit be like yeah the person i'm having an affair with is going to be at the party right and then part of the family um the dad is clearly cheating or has cheated if he's like it's not that big of a deal yeah well that's interesting that you said that because the first edit says this edit based on what you guys are saying i and mother-in-law are very close should i show her what you guys are saying about father-in-law possibly cheating and see if she wants to look into that their marriage has always been very rocky and she has been wanting to get out but he has been the breadwinner for years well if they don't have a prenup yeah that's true she could she could ala monet run away we want prenup edit two there are

no kids involved my soon-to-be ex-husband can't have kids not sure if this counts as a mini update after seeing some of the comments about father-in-law maybe wanting to sleep with megan which is another thing you said i asked mother-in-law if there was something weird going on there if she knew if he cheated before they've been married for a long time and he's cheated 10 times 10 one that you guys might find important is that he slept with megan's mother maybe that's why she that's why he loves megan so much as far as she knows he didn't sleep with megan the other eight were people he worked with and one of them was an old high school friend i will be researching serial cheater i will be also researching for a lawyer tomorrow morning the way i would never

marry someone or stay with someone who cheated on me I know I mean like there has to be if you stay with somebody that's cheated with you that many times would you be able to forgive a level of cheating would you be able to forgive no something like what if they were really drunk and they kissed a stranger no no I've just dealt with that too many times yeah but I have been thinking about like okay there's like levels of like what would you be able to forgive yeah because I think a lot of people don't realize like what they would be willing to forgive until it happens that's that's fair i think that i just am such a like jealous person i don't think i'd ever be able to get over yeah i don't think i could recover that's the thing and also i have been cheated on so many

times in the past that it's now i'm in such like a like a secure relationship and i trust frank so much that if he broke that trust like i don't like that would be such a huge rupture i don't think I could come back from it I'm pretty sure I have been cheated on and just didn't know yeah um with shoe man no actually um someone I was how old was I when I was dating him 24 when I was 24 I was dating someone for I think a little under a year and like after we broke up I googled his name and his like plenty of fish profile came up and the last time it was active was when he went on a trip by himself to portland and like uh it was while we were dating it said like when it was last active what a piece of shit yeah yeah i mean i'm like i think that that alone

though is a level of cheating at least for oh for sure you know even if nothing happened yeah and i'm like okay did he hook up with someone in portland because that would be gross what a piece of shit yeah i just like nobody's making you be in a relationship this is what i don't understand about cheaters it's like unless like you're you know you know that they're not going to leave you and so you know you can get away with doing it like what's the point of being in a relationship yeah you know what i mean like if you clearly don't want to be monogamous so don't be and we didn't hello I think we knew we like weren't gonna be together one thing I regret in my early 20s is not listening to my gut like when I knew I would always know early on that

the person I was dating wasn't right for me but then I would like try and gaslight myself into being like you can make it work yeah totally like can you see the potential of this being like the rest of your life yeah and then it would be like yeah if I change everything about them right that is a very like 20s everything about them they'll be perfect for me yeah I was thinking this is also kind of sad I was going through like an old friend's like Pinterest that which is so random like I was going through their Pinterest and some of their Pinterest like boards like are all about like like several of them are like about manifesting and like improving your relationship and stuff like that and like I have boards like that too but like knowing what I know

about her life and her relationship I it just made me think more about how many women are out here trying to like improve the life that they've created for themselves without changing anything they think it's a problem with them but not like something that they actively need to change outside of themselves like your job where you live like your friends your partner like sometimes you do need to make those difficult sacrifices yeah and that it it's not easy no so it's like oh well if i change myself but then you're going to always be seeking this like thing that you can't just keep changing yourself until you hope that you're okay with the life that you have yeah sometimes you need to change these external things totally yeah it just made me sad i mean

yeah people too often people will rest their expectations for their own life on somebody else like oh if i just like make my boyfriend love me more than like my life is going to be better and it's just like that's such a that's such you're building your whole world on a fault line at that point yeah like and like that could truly like more geology terms like you could like that tectonic plate could like flip up at any point and just like fuck everything up and then you have zero sense of self from there and i've watched so many people do that especially in their 20s and i think that there's something kind of beneficial about doing that in your 20s I wouldn't say everyone should but I do think that that having building your world around a

volcano and then having the volcano erupt is like kind of a rite of passage in a way yeah it's like I think it's a rite of passage if you learn from it absolutely but like how often how often do you see people like not learning from it it fucking sucks yeah I I told you this and I told another friend this but I can't remember if I said it on the podcast like um a few months ago I was going through my old journal from when I first moved to Seattle and I was 27 26 I was 26 um which is very young yeah um and when I was reading it like I was so resistant to the change that was happening to me like I when I think of that time in my life I remember it very fondly um but reading my journal like I was also on an emotional roller coaster it was like a being in the eye of a hurricane like

it my feelings were just like overwhelming and because I was going through a breakup yeah and I was trying to like mentally make this relationship like work again yeah and I like when I reflect on it now because I would I had written down like our text conversation so I could analyze it which is crazy just pages of me analyzing text messages and when I read them now I can totally see my ex's perspective yeah it's not crazy and I'm like he was trying very hard and I was just like resisting and the only thing that he could do was cut me out yeah and I respect that not but I like yeah he did some pretty fucked up things but I can see both sides of how things went down and there was this period where I wasn't dating at all and that's where I

noticed the most change and growth in myself like and it's documented for you to reflect on right the moment i stopped dating and was intentionally single is when i saw the most growth and like the changes i was seeking in my life yeah and i yeah you just can't rely on another person to be the thing that no gives you like what you need to be giving yourself and it's really sad because I feel like a lot of women are socialized to find a husband and make it work and like yeah at any cost like including your sanity so then like when you don't have that anymore like you can't even focus on being happy about being single and finding yourself because you're you feel like you failed yeah and you've been kind of told your entire life that your self-worth is

dependent on your relationship status yeah right I don't know and like once you're out of it and you're on the other side of it it's like would I really want to have that over being happy by myself we talk we say this all the time yeah I would totally rather be happy doing my own thing than like in a miserable relationship absolutely I also don't think that I would have been able to have the kind of relationship that I have right now if I didn't have that time to myself that is a very good point yeah yeah sometimes you need to have your ass beat in a relationship my fucking god just no kidding I was I was one sad motherfucker you need to learn from it for sure yeah I even in my relationship with Mr. Liz I'll reflect on like some of the early

like the earlier days of our relationship like the first couple of years and just like even though i love and adore him i was still very insecure yeah and i feel like i did some crazy things so you know we all learn from these things and like we're always just trying to serve ourselves in the moment i think it's acceptable to be a little crazy before you hit 30 yeah you know totally and i think i'm i think after that i i grew out of it yeah because i started to get more comfortable and trust him more yeah not that there was never a reason to not trust him i just want to clarify yeah right just because i dated a bunch of shitheads ding dongs yeah my god i was kissing too many frogs it's these dudes like these like bad guys like will be such

dicks about like well oh now it's my problem that you got cheated on and it's like yeah uh-huh it is your problem that this other fucking asshole like broke me like he did because like now i'm going to have to relearn how to trust someone and it's just so happens to be you you know like this is now your responsibility you're choosing to take this on even though that sucks i think nobody should like be responsible to do somebody else's work but like it's having somebody that's like patient with you while you're learning how to like trust people again is so huge but also i think that being like spending that time alone and getting trust back up yourself is when i started dating mr liz he was 26 jesus christ i know he was an infant and frank was 27 that's crazy yeah

i'm two years older than mr liz which i regularly forget um you would think it's the other way around he just has like bossy energy he does yeah he does have yeah i think it's because he's a tall white guy yeah that he just is like default he assumes he's in charge yeah it's also the oldest sibling too yeah and i'm the oldest sibling and i have war of worlds i have short person rage so i'm like if he oversteps i just start shaking yeah yeah yeah before i explode yeah um but what was i gonna say oh yeah there was like i had this it was probably a few months ago where i had this kind of moment where i was like fuck we started dating when he was 26 and i was like do you feel like i robbed you of like your youth and he was like no what yeah what that's like

it's just because like 26 is so young i mean it is but but we also have we have friends who got married at that age is that crazy i got married like at like 22 see that's weird that's crazy it's bizarre but i mean they found it and they're still together so fuck um i still hear the multiple pull updates for this we have plenty of time um little mini update number two mother-in-law told father-in-law to get a dna test with megan or she's divorcing him he said he would try and schedule something tomorrow oh my god he thinks megan's his daughter no no i'm very glad i came to write with his half daughter and his oh my god no i'm very glad i came to write it with this or some stuff we are finding out wouldn't have come to light i hope they're related if megan is her

husband's sister if Megan is her husband's sister that must be just like a typo oh if Megan is the girl's husband or the Megan is her husband's keep reading okay keep reading because this makes me think maybe it's not real if Megan is her husband's sister that would be hilarious and would be their problem also mother-in-law is getting divorced no matter what but he doesn't know that yet she just decided an hour ago yes i will be helping her with a place to stay and she wants to get into real estate with me so i'll try to pull some strings and help her out in every way i possibly can she has seen all the comments and with reddit and my support gave her the strength to leave it's a painful situation for both of us but i'm glad we are going through this together

so we can have each other's support uh i also want to say that father-in-law was sleeping with megan's mother for maybe a month or two that's why mother-in-law thinks the timelines add up and yes father-in-law knew about the affair that boils my blood he isn't even a decent enough human to tell me about it if it was me or mother-in-law cheating both father-in-law and ex-husband would be very pissed test it lie lie to them and say you've been having an affair yeah just for a little and see if they call it even or if they're they accuse you of being a cheater yeah i don't know just for fun yeah if you're already getting divorced yeah you might as well some of you asked why he didn't just marry his best friend at the beginning of my and my ex's

relationship she was in a serious relationship i'm assuming when he would go and comfort her after they broke up that's when it started my husband did try to contact me but i was told to not block him that it's getting very hard to ignore the texts and there's a screenshot comforting comforting her with his beepers um so the texts say this they're all in separate texts i overheard my mom talking about the divorce please don't go through with it we can fix this i will cut her off i'll never talk to her again it was a mistake come back come please i want to talk things out you didn't turn your red receipts off i know you're seeing these please answer me she probably turned them on just to piss them off please i just found out she might be my half sister i don't want

anything to do with her this is a very hard time for me please come back you just don't care about me you're a terrible person if you don't come back sister fucker yeah you sister fucker what if she is my sister are you just gonna leave me all alone during this time melissa please come home i want a life with you not her i'll tell my dad stop inviting her to family activities you'll never see her again what a piece of shit um dna dna oh so this is all this all these updates did not happen in an hour i posted this somewhere else first so this is like a grouping of i see yeah and then megan contacted her you're a bitch with the wrong you're and she said who's that must be real yeah she said who's this Megan I can't believe you would tell your our whole family

about this and now I have to get a DNA test so I can find out if I've been sleeping with my brother you made this whole thing so much more drama than it had to be I see why he cheated on you and do you know what he would say about you he said that you two got married he said that after you two got married he thought you were disgusting you are disgusting and stupid whore I hope you really go through with the divorce that so that he can be mine what a terrible person and a terrible wife what kind of wife are you you won't even cook and clean for your husband every day I know I can treat him better what a bitch and then okay I did a 12 year old right seriously he said okay so that might be your half brother but you would still date him do you hear how gross that is if

if anyone disgusting if anyone's disgusting it's you two and your little family affair I never cheated on my husband and so don't call me a whore and if I did and I did everything for him I cut friends off for him I cut family off for him I did everything he asked how did he repay me by cheating on me you both are gross um oh my god i think i would just be like okay brother fucker right i just wouldn't even this is giving her too much yeah um anyway so that that goes on but it's boring um like i hope you get pregnant and have a deformed child yeah your baby's gonna come out with three arms um that that was also a mean thing for me to say i'm sorry i didn't mean it well i don't want to bring an innocent child into this well you know maybe this is a fake

story and so it's a hypothetical and in general you know yeah yeah hypothetically i hope she has a deformed baby with her brother episode title i'm just kidding well wouldn't they look alike maybe babies look like their dads so their dad can be like that's my yeah that's that isn't a that is an evolutionarily adapt yeah they bond with the baby yeah that's so true my friend who is a mom taught me that and now you know um okay i'm just gonna scroll past all like the thank yous for the support and shit hold on oh several people have asked whether they resemble each other while there are some similarities it's important to note that many people share features like brown hair and blue eyes making it hard to say they look alike i can't provide oh these are more

screenshots for those curious we definitely don't live in alabama we reside in rhode island okay rhode island's small enough that i would think that would happen there there's an update screenshot oh this is from the mother-in-law the doctor has emailed me with the results the dad is megan's father i have no idea how to handle this i'm starting to think he knew all along and that's why he kept it acute a huge secret from me for such a long time i can't wait for the divorce to be finalized this situation is absolutely disgusting my son is no longer a son to me how the fuck could the dad defend his son knowing that having an having an affair with his half-sister right that's like there's a bad end i'm like big a deal out of this

yeah huh is you gotta get over it you gotta just let him fuck please for me i would pull him aside and be like hey i don't know you need to be like you cannot be doing this right that's your half sister right no you right you would you would think and that would also expose him not the brightest bulb no but that would also expose him for the affair even though like he's had a bunch of affairs before so it's not like that would be like yeah what you cheated well if you've had like 10 affairs you gotta assume yeah and he he clearly if you if you're having 10 affairs i just assume a man like that is not using condoms probably not that's so true yeah that's not that's not a responsible man in general that's so true okay they are so fucking stupid and in the post

i linked my mother-in-law messaged me about it i'm unsure whether i should be happy that they are siblings and are experiencing pain similar to what they put me through or if i should be sad because i literally got cheated on with his half sister i would be laughing and crying oh yeah i'd be laughing so hard i'd be sobbing this is one of those stories that i feel like i would tell everybody if this happened to my friend uh-huh but i would never share it if it happened to me you know what i mean my husband cheated on me with his half sister and he didn't know because his dad cheated on his mom 10 on 10 separate more than 10 more than 10 and 10 partners and the dad was like encouraging them fucking apparently like in one way or another

you know what i mean it's just all strange um my father-in-law claims he had no idea and my mother-in-law is waiting for a reply from megan's mom megan is crushed they can't get married and my soon-to-be ex-husband is disgusted according to megan they made a mutual decision to remain together despite any challenges they might face huh oh lord on a different note my ex-husband has been reaching out to me frequently expressing his desire to rekindle our relationship and suggesting we should get back together also apparently megan is now pregnant with another man's child so that i hope yeah he is okay so they got the this ends with him he signed the divorce papers um he stopped talking to megan and the ex-father-in-law still chats uh oh i understand

what's happening here okay okay okay so this is this was a post that happened on another forum and this is somebody else sharing updates on this new page okay because it's like just wanted to share a little update like um like she still kind of talks to uh the mother-in-law he signed the divorce papers there hasn't been any more updates so that's that's what's uh that's how that ended up can you fucking imagine honestly okay i was thinking about this after i read it like if my husband cheated on me with someone i would hope that it was something absolutely fucking disgusting for him to find out yeah you know yeah like that does feel like instant karma yeah that's like poetic justice in a way yeah he has to live with the rest of

his life knowing that he fucked his half sister yeah and like how do you enter future relationships with that knowledge you right like how do you say like oh how did your last relationship end uh i cheated on my wife with a woman who actually ended up being my half sister and i didn't know because my dad was having an affair with her mom yeah and she was a lifelong family friend that's just fucking crazy isn't that bonkers i hope it's real i hope it's real i don't know if i got pregnant with a married man's kid i would definitely get an abortion abort that baby at least i think i would you know i don't think i was in a place where i was like yeah i really want a kid and i don't want this man to be part of my life i think i would just uh have the kid

and never talk to him again you know yeah that's fair yeah because then you get a baby at the end of it if you wanted that that's pretty dope yeah you know if it if it felt right yeah right um well that was that do you think that you would owe it to do would you if you were in that situation would you tell the would you tell your the man who sired your child that i was having his kid yeah yeah definitely even if you didn't want them to be in your life yeah i would tell him yeah because like i think for the it totally depends on my relationship with them yeah that's fair but i also think like you know that child is going to get older and be like who's my dad yeah it's like oh i actually never gave him the opportunity to know who you are that's crazy

that's fair yeah I just think like if I didn't want that man in my life I guess depends on if that man was like an actual like piece of shit like a bad bad dude I think it would be different but if it was just like him and I have beef you know well because I think that you would also be inviting the opportunity for them to be like I don't want you to have this kid yeah and I'd be like it's none of your it's not your choice yeah it's my body you son of a gun you should have if you didn't want to bring a child into this world you should have considered that before having unprotected sex don't be silly wrap your willy i like that that's a good rhyme thank you don't be a fool wrap your tool i have so many of them liz i'm fucking chock full of them did you just already

know those i did unfortunately i just have all this knowledge stored in my brain that's why i can't remember shit that matters just use a condom we got an email we just got a letter we just got a letter and I'm editing this week so I get to keep it in we just got a letter I wonder who it's from the subject is dating and sex life update hi ladies

you and the listeners will probably remember me 31F as the person who decided to divorce my MAGA husband yay did we read that update I think so I didn't know if we read the I decided to divorce my MAGA husband part of it

no that was a different that was oh there's a different one oh there's two there's two oh that's right okay well well we had two separate listeners who wrote in about their partner voting for trump this last election cycle yeah and the update is both of those relationships have ended yeah which is truly the best news i've passed the halfway point in our year of separation before we can legally divorce and now our two-year-old has been adjusting well to his parents being separated you asked in a recent episode if listeners are having sex because statistically i guess people are having less sex now or at least not talking about it as much i am with the hand raising emoji i have actually been listening to the holy hour sex playlist oh which

we haven't updated in so long so now we need to now we should add some songs to it um can you see top listeners i feel like i might be on that list quick question liz you've mentioned that you often use headphones when in subspace do you listen to music if so what's the vibe do you listen to a curated playlist I do listen to music and the vibe is like kind of like dark sultry music I don't know how to describe it and I I have playlists for that should you make them public or maybe public versions I'll make a public version I'll make a public version of my favorite subspace song amazing i love that so you heard it here first folks she's gonna do it yeah okay she goes on to say anyway i'm regularly seeing two dudes and have been unable to choose

between them so i'm continuing to date both of them until one of them gives me a reason to stop seeing them or be exclusive with them i'm at the point where i feel like i have two boyfriends and i've been clear with both of them that we are not exclusive i avoid giving specifics though because i'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings or cause jealousy i'm also swiping on hinge i'll go through my matches but when i swipe i specifically filter for women i'm bi and have not had a sexual experience with a woman yet post separation men are way easier to catch quite frankly i guess that makes sense they are kind of dumber yeah but and the men listening agree with that too um i found that women want to be pursued and i don't always have the energy for that it's much easier to let

the men come to me there are a few other guys that are in my dms too but these two are my favorites right now i'm not ready to be exclusive again with anyone yet so i'm keeping my options open that feels wise yeah if you're having a good time yeah and you're being honest with both of them i see nothing wrong with this yeah when i was still regularly going on dates i kept running into a phenomenon where these men would not kiss me on the first date girl you are preaching to the choir that was such an ongoing fucking thing i got kissed on one that's so true i remember that i remember you talking about that that was such an insane phenomenon like i was like i'm always kissing i was told that i give big don't kiss me energy unquote which like i tried to fix and then

i still wouldn't get kissed on i would like more information on that what does that mean apparently i would like hug them and then step back i'm like well yeah what am i gonna do like fucking like a like invade your space yeah like are you supposed to be the one who makes the move that doesn't no i i when i've like gone on dates they usually say something that implies like it's like an invitation to kiss see i've got none of that and i was always my ears were always perked on my first day with i believe i think it was my first date with um someone here i i like got an uber back to my apartment and he was like should i kiss you before the uber comes or do you want to like that's kiss like later or something like that yeah it was smooth oh my god that would

be my vagina dance now i like that oh my god yeah no none of that would happen to me i remember six seven it took oh my god six seven's a thing now we have to change his name i refuse it to be a thing it's like oh my god dictionary.com that's the nickname that's the nickname i forgot about that yeah and it's dictionary.com's word of the year is six seven by the way but anyway six foot seven six foot seven foot eight foot bunch excuse my charisma call that shit patricia i think that's the best song of our generation which i'll get it was a banger it was a banger some like poetry the kids would like it yes okay um but so he waited he didn't wait he wouldn't make a move for the first seven times i remember at his apartment

i remember seven times like how many like what other hints do you need i just jumped on him that was i was like i was about to leave and i was like we're gonna we're fucking we're gonna fuck right now and then the comedian didn't kiss me in for five dates and then we dated for like anyway okay i'm gonna keep reading um we would close down a brewery and have an awesome time and they would not kiss me at the end of the date i asked my older sister 36 how to get guys to kiss you on the first date and she in return asked me how i get them to pay for stuff apparently we just have different vibes when dating so that's so funny then i kept having an issue with men not being able to get and or maintain an erection or finishing faster than i would like i think that

may be a result of dating men over 30 though also with one in particular it got better over time so I think it was an anxiety issue that's fair he's one of the guys that I'm still seeing and we continued to get to know each other and as we continue to get to know each other I think he got more comfortable in that department going back to the original premise of people not talking about sex I've gone through some friend breakups recently too so I don't have a lot of friends I'm close enough with to talk about my sex life but I'm an open book if you have any questions thanks for reading you should join our discord yeah or if you just want to write in and tell us what's going on we love reading it even if we don't read it out loud on the podcast we're always reading

emails that y'all send us and we love them so much yeah I think sometimes I don't at least I forget to check our email oh yeah I mean I was just and then I'll open it we'll have like five emails yeah because it goes to my phone so I just file it into listener yeah I should do that yeah it's been five years I already have two email accounts on my phone I have four it's four three too many yeah uh I know for what reason if I didn't have to have my work stuff on my phone i wouldn't yeah because that's work-life balance and you know what people used to survive without having their cell phone and having access to like literally everything on online the world still turned if i don't know you don't need to be contacting me i've sent you so

many good tiktok since you've not had tiktok i don't i'm so sorry i don't know when i will redownload it well they'll just keep accumulating i feel so good without it i'm so sorry good for you i know what's it like it's really freeing i'm being honest it's a the first two weeks were difficult and then it's gotten a lot easier that's good i just remember moving things that i am addicted to from my life that's great yeah like i'm taking a break from weed and i constantly i'm like god i wish i was high right now yeah that's pretty tough that's fair even while we've been recording i'm like what if i had a gummy yeah i know but the last time i smoked because i had that little intrusive thought i was like when i smoked after taking like a week off um

i i did and i was like i don't i hate this why did i wow i didn't like how i felt that's like big yeah i didn't know that so it was a little disappointing i i wonder if stoners if all stoners get to a point where they're like remember when it used to be fun and then it stopped being fun yeah and you keep wanting it to be fun but it's not i mean that's what i mean yeah that's profound that's also childhood i don't like it when do we stop playing with barbies i want it to go back to being fun i just want to escape sometimes well that's the problem that's the problem i'm like i can't use substances to numb myself yeah uh because then i feel bad that i didn't do stuff that is good for my brain like making stuff and yeah reading or whatever yeah

um and then i feel ashamed about that and then the cycle continues where i continue to self sabotage and feel ashamed about it yeah i don't want to feel like that anymore no it's not a good feeling and good for you for taking control of it thank you I'm proud of you even though I don't have you on TikTok anymore which like for selfish reasons I'm pretty angry about you can always download them and send them to me which I know is too much work delete them what if you you can send me a link you can still watch them I think you have to have um no you can this is a little hack for everybody you like so when you go to like when you paste it in your um browser there's like after the question mark i think you delete it and it'll show you oh there's some stuff that

it's like oh this is only okay for people who can verify like that they're over a certain age so some of those i can't watch that i send you is that but anyway the ones that are really good i'll send to you direct like the woman that drove three hours to find that man i like that more than one person sent me that yeah they're like you know who like this liz oh yeah that was big liz energy yeah um i would love to be crazy like that before i forget that um to say this we're taking two weeks off for the holidays yeah and just so you know well is this episode going out this week or is it going out i think it's going out this week oh is it not oh did we plan to release this january 2nd i think so oh i thought we were going to do our predictions january 2nd oh okay yeah

well then we have to record again yeah so well because i'm also going to be traveling this is how we plan things on this podcast yeah this is how it goes we do it in real time we need an admin um yeah when are you coming back i come back i'm looking right now i come back on the 30th okay that's when my parents leave you know we'll figure it out i think we should um maybe wait to release this then yeah you guys are hearing this in the new year happy new year happy new year happy new year um we'll post on instagram and tell y'all that we won't be on for the next two weeks that's how you'll know and if you don't know and you're finding out in the new year that we took two weeks off why aren't you following us on instagram is my question why aren't you following

us on tiktok is my question following us on tiktok even though i don't have one yeah i'm running that shit now but if i became famous and i didn't even know i would tell you i'd be like you gotta get you're famous yeah your tiktok's blowing the fuck up well would you like to sing us out should we sing that old saint ein or whatever the fucking new year song i hate that i don't know the words to that i remember i celebrated it's a little saint nick little saint i celebrated new year's going to 2010 with my family in michigan and all of the adults that were like the average age in that group was like 75 they all held hands in a big circle and sang that song and i was like i hate this song that's very uh

it is you're right what's your favorite holiday song okay this is a hot this is going to cause some controversy oh baby it's cold outside oh it's a little rapey but i do like the song you know you can uh separate the art from the artist i guess or whatever i think that it's the only one that's fun manageable to listen to um i have a few please uh i love what are you doing new year's eve by casey musgraves oh we're talking like like pop culture yeah yeah okay okay under the mistletoe by justin bieber hell yeah highly recommend it's fa la la i can't remember how many laws are in it um but that's also justin bieber and boys to men oh wow good for him what a crossover uh also uh justin bieber i love that album because it's just so funny but the the

little drummer boy version and it has uh is it buster rhymes oh my god yeah buster rhymes so fun you know okay i thought we were just doing like classics i fruitcake by sabrina carpenter sabrina carpenter's whole christmas album is phenomenal i haven't listened to very many pop like new pop uh holiday songs because i feel like they're just covers of the classics yeah and i'm like give me something new that is a banger otherwise i don't fucking listen to sabrina carpenters none of it is covers they're all new okay same with ariana grande uh another banger album is hillary duff's christmas album did you listen to the new hillary duff song i did it's pretty good the more you listen to it it gets better and better when i first listened to it i was like

the fuck is this shit and now i listen to it like every day i did like it yes i remember being surprised i know her and her hubby wrote that um i saw a tweet that was like hillary duff is proof that you can be mediocre at everything and have a great career yes it's so true god bless her she's she's iconic she is i i love a mediocre queen and she's just like love her to death not a very strong actress she's not a strong definitely not a strong singer no but we love her and that is truly just like so cute and fun that's just i think that's what made her so lovable is like she's a relatable girl yeah you know she is a relatable girly that's and she's the only one that like didn't go through some sort of like major like crisis after leaving

yeah how did she manage to do that impressive impressive in private all right would you like to sing us out we've been recording for so long yeah one hour and 10 minutes are you cooking tonight no okay all right sorry i forgot what we did i was like let's just go offline completely i was trying to remember what we sing that's so sad i know i feel i think i just forgot again we love you our children that's right that's right we've just done 250 of these we love you our children oh we love oh you are children she forgot all of it i wanted to do a rap version i mean that was beautiful it was inspiring um all right happy Happy New Year.

Happy New Year.