The Hoely Hour - Infamousmaxxing

Episode Date: May 1, 2026

IMPORTANT NOTE: We recorded this episode before the recent sexual assault and battery allegations brought against influencer Braden Peters, AKA Clavicular. Clavicular is brutally self-awareness-mogged by two podmaxxers! This week: who he is, why he’s infamous, and how a man can confidence-maxx his way into a full-blown public identity crisis. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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god i'm so fucking smart and i'll post it on threads and i'll get like six likes once you have one the same six people pops off yeah you gotta you gotta do the uh the topics i know well i did uh i did a topic today i did the staged white house shooting threads threads is just like the total opposite of twitter like twitter feels like you're surviving a drive-by shooting or something like it is trash over there it really is it really does feel like you're like over on threads and it's like kind of like the nice part of town and then you go over to x and it's like dumpsters on fire and everyone's like running around with their hair on fire i mean like i think that uh i mean obviously it became horrible after elon bought it and just has like he's just

been kind of running it into the ground it's been totally astroturf by bots um and i don't know if you notice this if you're ever scrolling through twitter it's like video video video yeah and it's like it's the worst like lowbrow raise rage bait trash video or like something that you've already seen or a video from like 2018 or somebody like um like engagement farming like anybody else noticed in this video anybody anybody else see what happens in this video and it's just like nothing happens yeah thoughts and it's because they're getting incentivized to get people to watch their videos all the way watch out for those blue check marks on twitter y'all yeah and then when you open the comments on something to try and get context there's no context and then there's

just replies of like other videos that are bait to watch but blue check marks are incentivized to get more blue check marks to reply to them how is this not an mlm it is an mlm before we started recording liz said that america's an mlm i fully believe am i i'm just like i'm so mlm pilled like after reading um little bosses everywhere which i still have not finished i think i just have like sometimes i just need to disconnect from the horrors of the realities of the world that we live in we were talking about this before we started recording too i'm like i know shit has like always there's always been bad things going on but it feels like your brother said things feel especially bad yeah y'all today my brother turned 40 fucking years old what do you mean i have a

40 year old brother what the fuck happy birthday but i was talking to him today when i called him to say happy birthday and i was like have things always been this bad or do we just like have and we just like have phones now to record it is that why it feels like it's worse he's like no i think things are like they're more consistently on fire right now talk about um another really dumb fucking thing which we're having a super fun topic today um we hinted at it last week we're gonna talk about clavicular he needs more pr um so i got most of this information from um a newsletter i subscribe to called garbage day it's fucking amazing uh i'm sure i've talked about it on this podcast before but you guys should totally subscribe um they do really like thorough and

interesting coverage of things happening on the internet and like internet culture um um and the other person i got a lot of information from was half of the taylor lorenz video i watched before you came over okay um she made it like three months ago and it's like why are you seeing clavicular everywhere oh shit and uh that was before i had like i i saw her post that video and i was like who the fuck is that i know never heard of clavicular until when was the first time you heard about clavicular um it was like a few months ago that i was just kind of like yeah he kind of became like more well known online in like the fall yeah yeah september area september time um the september times the september times um and then i feel like i

didn't hear anything about him until after like christmas i just keep hearing more and more have you heard of um androgenic yeah i just heard about him yesterday i will be mentioning him in will you yes i he it's i just keep hearing more and more about these fucking idiots or is it androgenic see i thought it was androgenic it's androgenic his name is i think his name is andrew so and he does look androgynous i don't does he i think he looks a little androgynous he would probably kill himself if he heard you say that i thought it was on purpose no he's wearing makeup he looks like he's wearing makeup he looks like he's wearing blush and lipstick so i thought that was all the thing no i think that he's trying to look as manly as possible i mean that does make

sense because he's part of like that community okay so if you're not chronically online and you have a life first of all what's it like maybe you've heard his name by now i feel like most people have heard his name by now yeah my therapist even brought him up yeah well once mr liz knows who someone is i'm like it's mainstream it's really it's like when people on the news start doing like memes that's how you know it's about to die yeah yeah the meme is about to die there's i mean that's kind of how i feel about so there's two definitions that are very like attributed to like two words that are very attributed to clavicular and they're mogging and looks maxing and i i texted amelia this there's i'll give you a definition for mogging if you

don't know what that means um the definition as we know it now is to appear physically superior more attractive or more dominant than someone else often making them look inferior by comparison basically it means you are dominating whatever the thing is so an example is like mr liz was at his jujitsu gym which side note um apparently like a bunch of people just get high and go to jujitsu which sounds like my personal nightmare yeah what the fuck like taking an edible and like getting choked out by someone's legs yeah like no thank you a bunch of like sweaty strangers like yeah wrestling you yeah um apparently they have a lot of fun so good for them but um he was at he was at his like gym like

stretching and there was like this stoned dad stretching next to him and he was like are you hype mogging me so and then the dad said that yeah he was like are you hype mogging me and then mr liz was like i think he has like a teenager he has that's the only explanation how it originated the root of mogging is from an acronym a mog a m o g which means alpha male of group and that originated from the bodybuilding and insult message boards like 4chan and in the early 2020s phrases looks maxing and mogging started to be adopted in more mainstream pop culture and online spaces and now it's mostly used ironically um and but is clavicular using it ironically no okay i mean actually maybe a little bit because have you seen clips of him

first let me explain looks maxing okay so looks maxing slash blank maxing um looks maxing is an online subculture focused on maximizing physical attractiveness primarily among men through methods ranging from skincare to extreme cosmetic procedures which is also called hard maxing i feel like i'm dissociating um this originated from 2010's incel forums and spread via tiktok and other platforms in the 2020s with practitioners striving for symmetrical ideal features like sharp jaws sometimes leading to obsessive behaviors or body dysmorphia um while i was like just looking up these terms like how i could describe them there's an i came across this article and it was on parents.com oh no and it's called what does mogging mean how this slang term could affect

your child's confidence oh and my favorite point that there was like one of the paragraphs i was like should you let your child use the term mogging well i can only imagine if you're a parent and you're like what the fuck like when we were teenagers we that's kind of when the internet started to become like a third space and not a lot of adults were using the internet the same way teenagers were even then so like we were still using phrases and slang from the internet that parents were like what the fuck are you talking about yeah i remember there were like news like uh reports about like what these acronyms mean and there was like lol pos was parent over shoulder do you remember that yeah yeah it's like you so people knew that your parent

was in the room they were like fucking snitching on us on the fucking news also i feel like a lot of them were like uh not true like lol meant lots of love oh my god i know i remember no it means laughing out loud yeah lmao dumb as hell um anyways so the looks maxing and blank maxing i think that clavicular and other people use the blank maxing remember i used to say something maxing a lot well when that first like became a thing it was like oh yeah i'm like 2020 self-care maxing yeah yeah and um like people do like the looks maxing thing i feel like isn't i don't think it's inherently problematic which yeah maybe is a hot take i don't think it is either like the idea is just like you are maximizing your attractiveness which that sounds problematic but

i think if you're like looking at it from the perspective of like my big fat greek wedding where she's like doing it for her she's like yeah you know what i i want to like get out of my comfort zone and like improve myself for me yeah you know and i like the idea of like like i'm not above not caring how i look you know like right i like the idea of like looking you're like feeling your best right i mean there's like a big piece of looks maxing is like eating healthy and going to the gym and like yeah sleeping and like that shit is yeah good like you should be doing that but then they bunch that into like the more dangerous aspects of it like yeah and it's like also very rooted in like i mean a lot of it is rooted in misogyny and um like i think the way

that like bodybuilders and like now like kind of these incels approach the idea of looks maxing is it's ironically like so rooted in the male gaze and but then they're like we're doing it because like if you're attractive to women like then that's like the best life you could possibly live even though how like the way that they're trying to look is exclusively appealing to men yeah right men are the ones who are going to be like that dude's fucking jacked yeah and like the more women that i know are more attracted to the guys that they're making fun of like the soy boys well that's called gesture maxing oh well gesture maxing is like being funny it's it's like personality oh it's not an insult like no i don't know i don't is it an insult i

don't know like it's like oh yeah he's gesture maxing like he's being an idiot i don't need i don't either i don't know i don't fucking know i feel like all of this is very tongue-in-cheek oh speaking of which sorry this is kind of a side note but like in in the vein of like um internet culture you know people say like chat are we cooked so that's like from twitch you know like yeah kaisa not yeah there are now gen alphas that are saying chat is this real because they're talking about chat gpt yes chat is this real help what do you mean like that's so sad like what a time to be alive anyway i just learned yesterday so many things have like change and happen we're watching culture form faster than ever before it's crazy we didn't we didn't have

a word mogging last year and now it's like a huge fucking thing what's next i mean it wasn't it didn't exist to us right it existed that's all that matters forums for a very long time if we don't know about it it doesn't matter that's true i agree with that sentiment okay so let's actually talk about clavicular his real name is brayden peters he would be named brayden um he's a racist 20 year old American streamer and influencer known for looks maxing um and I say that he's racist because he is he yeah he's always saying the n-word um and that's why he's like only on kick like kick is where problematic streamers go when they're banned everywhere else uh so he's really only on kick and I think clips of him they just like clips of him will appear on twitter a

lot like the i've only ever seen clavicular clips posted on twitter um and then i'm sure like i'm not on tiktok anymore so i'm sure they're on tiktok as well have you seen any no no okay yeah but it's also not yeah in my wheelhouse world that you're in yeah yeah so they probably are on tiktok yeah um so the looks maxing subculture focuses on maximizing physical attractiveness ranging from relative relatively ordinary habits like fitness and skin care to much more extreme and risky methods like doing meth and smashing your face with a hammer aka bone smashing um bone smashing do you like what do you know about bone smashing they'll they'll like hit their fucking bones like their cheekbones over and over because it promotes bone growth well so the idea

is like you create miniature fractures in your bones and they like become stronger as they like repair and like you can change the the way like the shape of your bones essentially like what this is i mean that is like a that is how like micro fracturing bones works like a lot of people who are in like combat sports talk about bone smashing or whatever like it can make you stronger but like doing it on your face is a really bad idea and this is really funny okay so bone smashing is the idea of creating micro fractures in your bones to make them stronger and he bone smashes his jaw yeah i don't know if he bone smashes his cheekbones he does he does yeah okay um i was looking up does bone smashing work and i came like obviously the searches are gonna be like no don't

do it yeah um but then the next obvious thing is does bone smashing work reddit because those are where people talk about the results of the thing that they did um and i came across this thread that was like does bone smashing work and someone said it's legit and has a lot of potential to completely transform your looks if you if done correctly how old are you though and then the op said yeah i'm 15 so it might work better for me and the reply is no don't do it at that age you're going to mess up your growth wait until at least 21 and i was like who knew that the incels were at least giving some advice i was like don't do that until you're 21 i mean i'm 15 should i bone smash absolutely not that is the thing with clavicular it's like you see him and he's on

the mewing separate he started oh there's i mean if there's a whole separate mewing clavicular if you look at him before and after bone smashing the only fucking thing that happened was he went through puberty yeah and like started doing drugs he like he's a handsome kid and it's hard like when you look at him he looks like he's fucking 30 he's 20 years old and um i'll get into like kind of like the timeline of his life like so in 2019 he was 14 and he comes across a nick fuentes video oh no um and that's kind of like yeah he's he was probably part of the groiper culture slash still is but uh he allegedly started using steroids at 14 and that's like right when you start going through puberty so i'm partially like i'm like you probably didn't need to do this shit

and you could have just like gone through puberty and like looked the same yeah like I don't doubt he probably would have looked the same he also talks very he talks a lot about having autism and that wouldn't be surprising to me he he talks a lot about how he's like lonely which is really fucking sad yeah like I think that's really relatable like as a teenager to be lonely and also just like being a person is very like you can be lonely sometimes and I imagine that someone who is autistic and maybe struggling to fit in and make friends like you're looking for a community and then like your special interest becomes looks maxing yeah yeah and I mean like the looks maxing I can't believe I'm fucking those words are like the looks maxing community

is like all it's just it can it comprises most like the majority of the people that are doing it are the most insecure people including the people that are peddling it and like but they won't the people that need to hear that he's lonely and really see that for what it's worth won't yeah you know like that's fucked up like he's doing all of this and he's telling other boys to do it and he's still so sad it's like let that be the lesson yeah not like that you need to also be doing this like you're like the thinking is like oh I am I don't have like girls aren't interested in me I don't have friends because I'm not attractive yeah there's always I think that's also just like a young person's mindset like when you're growing and

developing like you're like I need something to blame for this like weird feeling that I have yeah like no you're just a person and like this is part of life and another thing that is crazy and people should not do is like when you're a teenager and you're taking steroids that early as your body is developing can be incredibly damaging yeah also when you're taking steroid like the fact that he's taking steroids as a teenager like now that he is an adult um his body is not going to be able to uh create testosterone normally it like now is dependent on yeah steroids right um okay so when he was 16 uh there was a town controversy with him because he started an instagram account where he'd rate the local high school girls ew uh-huh okay and give

them like a rating um and then he becomes prolific and on looks maxing forums like while he's still a teenager because he starts you know like doing all he's doing steroids going to the gym he's bone smashing whatever the fuck um he gets kicked out of college for telling teenagers on these forums to do steroids so he's like uh he was going i think his handle is just clavicular and you know he has his like before and after photos and they're going viral and then i think kiwi farms doxed him oh shit yeah like kiwi farms which has zero like morals whatsoever yeah um is like we gotta dox this guy because he's telling teenagers to do steroids that's insane so that's why he gets kicked out of college um he's also talked on stream about how he wishes he hadn't been kicked

out of college and he wasn't streaming and that he was just having like normal experiences with friends in college which that's really sad i know his like he he's a tragic character he seems very sad he is very tragic and like i he i'm this is also on my notes um he goes all in on content after he's kicked out of college all in on his content career um he says the n-word a lot on stream which i mentioned and he like just talks about how he's like black pilled now which if you don't know what black pilled is it's just like this very nihilistic nothing matters mindset and um it's really yeah i think more and more young people are starting to adopt this nihilistic mindset of like nothing matters um and he says he doesn't care if he dies early and all he cares

about is being attractive like he doesn't care if the decisions he's making now kills him well clearly like so i'm like is he gonna is he gonna be part of the 27 club i mean like i'm sure this is in your notes because you brought up uh androgenic but like he fucking almost died on stream yeah that is part of my notes so we can talk about a bit more about that and this tragic character clavicular anyways back to the bone smashing look smaxing thing i guess a lot of these looks look smaxer dudes who promote like jawline hacks um like hard chewing so like i don't know chewing like a lot of gum or chewing like rubber to make your jaw like and your jaw muscles more aggressive um thumb pulling which i was like what the fuck is that i pulled my finger i looked

up thumb pulling uh because I had never heard of that and it's when you put the thumbs on the roof of your mouth and apply like upward or outward pressure um mewing which I think mewing is like the only thing that is actually like proven to help with like posture and breathing and potentially like jaw shaping which is why there's a mewing subreddit but um it's a tongue posture thing where you put your tongue on the roof of your mouth if you don't know what mewing is um and then bone smashing so they they say a little like to do all these hacks but then they just get jaw surgery and lie about it and then like sell something yeah um like matt rife yeah you don't just look like you don't just now he looks like he looked i just remember seeing a picture of matt rife

with like jaw filler and then i think lip filler i don't know just face filler yeah and i thought someone had edited it i was like there's no way that's his real face like someone definitely edited this no it was a plastic surgeon edited it and i mean yeah and um it's it just feels very american to do that to like get plastic surgery and then like sell something it's kind of how like workout influencers will like get a bbl and then sell you like a booty workout yeah um so i feel like anytime i think a good rule of thumb then is like anytime you're going into looking for advice for something check and see if that the person giving the advice is selling something um but he became so clavicular became popular on the streaming platform kick which i mentioned is where

problematic figures go when they've been banned everywhere else on the internet uh and you've probably seen clips of him somewhere from his streams and this is interesting so i got this from garbage day i'm just gonna read this youtuber devin nash went into kick's official clipping discord and grabbed screenshots of what the biggest streamers are offering for clip campaigns he also managed to get into some of the more secretive invite only rooms for higher level more shadowy campaigns and yes these are the campaigns responsible for those videos with the stupid kick banner slapped on the bottom nash estimates that clavicular is spending over six hundred thousand dollars a month on clipping holy shit like no one had heard of him before and now

we're all seeing clips of him because he's paying over half a million dollars a month for like these people to just sit and watch his streams and like clip things that could be like potentially viral that's insane and also like probably a really good return on investment for him i mean yeah and the where these like clip people clip farms i don't know um they're all located in other countries yeah right so uh nash's video which is worth watching makes two important points these clipping campaigns can make anything go viral but not clavicular level viral you need to be making salacious or outrageous content that will work on short form video platforms the second very important point is that all of this is being subsidized by kick because they

want to build buzz and most of these streamers will vanish from public view if kick cuts their budget or more likely short form platforms go for a power play and kneecap clips algorithm algorithmically which like that wouldn't be surprising right now how would they do that well there are a few options based on what has happened historically tiktok and instagram could incentivize videos made directly in app they could boost videos with more edits cutting down on live feed ribs or they could very simply downgrade videos featuring kicks creators or some other new thing clocks ticking baby um he also talks pretty openly about taking steroids appetite suppressants testosterone and fat dissolvers which is called a i might be wrong here it's

alleged allegedly it's called a pen stack um you might hear regular people talking about stacks like people who are just like getting into working out i heard mr liz and some of his like gym friends talking about stacks which is like peptides and like oh other supplements that you take like yeah that makes sense for working out um this is from garbage day as well peters has been pretty public about his drug use among looks maxers it's typically called a pentastack sorry i said pen stack a pentastack and includes substances such as adderall disassociatives um and ketamine one for butanidal butanideal which they misuse as a replacement for alcohol and anti-convulsants called pregabalin that's typically used for nerve pain peters has been

pretty open about using meth as well as an appetite suppressant is this where all the fucking adderall is going i'm pissed probably i mean he's just straight up using meth right um well adderall was in that stack and that he's probably i mean it's so easy for people to get their hands on i mean technically adderall is meth yeah like a form of meth yeah it's an amphetamine yeah uh if you're confused by any of this it's easiest to think about this cocktail of drugs as a complicated way to feel drunk without consuming the calories because all of these guys have eating disorders and i think that's like the main thing to take away from this is like this all of these like bizarre drugs that they're taking is so they can have the experience of being

drunk without having to drink a drink yeah because they're counting their calories so severely like the fact that he's using meth to suppress his appetite is insane yeah um there's also a rumor that he's secretly being funded by palantir founder and jeffrey epstein associate peter teal what he has a big donor that is just named p and it's suspected that you know how he went to jail for like a few days or something um it's suspected that this person bailed him out of jail holy shit couldn't he have just bailed himself out of jail he has so much money i'm like does he i feel like we don't actually know how much people are making i i mean if he's paying people 600 000 a month i i'm i'm wondering if it's him or if it's peter teal yeah or if it's a kick or

maybe it's a combination of the three what the fuck does peter teal benefit from peter teal's a fucking freak right but so is he like he like in love with clavicular like what is it i think he's a predator yeah um he like he killed one of his lovers excuse me yeah he fell from a balcony is Peter Thiel gay yeah I didn't know yeah Peter Thiel's gay Sam Altman's gay that's so disappointing that Peter Thiel is gay I know I expect better from the gays I'm just like this is not the we don't need to be progressive in this way no like you're doing terrible things for the gays yeah what the hell um well this is also I mean this isn't part of my little uh clavicular study but what's interesting is young people were recently polled like kids in school

about how they like feel about gay people specifically like gay men and they don't care about like men being gay as long as they're not feminine about it which they just hate women yeah yeah and i mean one thing i've been thinking about while kind of like looking at and thinking about this like looks maxing stuff is like this is how women feel all the time like this this like self-hatred this pressure to like be attractive constantly having these expectations about how you look and how your body looks like shoved down your throat 24 7 and it makes me sad yeah it makes me sad that this is also how like boys are feeling now yeah like i don't know yeah i mean it's like what like women are just cooler about it because it's kind of like baked into our like

dna and i think there's more of a like this is this is the thing that is positive about feminism like you get to a point where you hopefully outgrow this mindset you outgrow caring so much about like what people think of you but also you outgrow like understanding that you're doing something for the male gaze or to like appease patriarchy and it's why like creepy bitter old men like they they hate women over 30 yeah because women over 30 aren't gonna put up with their bullshit yeah women over 30 have seen that anytime you see someone like a guy who's like in his 30s like dating someone who's like 19 you're like that's because women his age think he's like fucking creepy yeah they need like a blank slate yeah and then they're like oh you're not like

you're not like women my age they're so like bitter you're so mature for your age yeah it's like actually no women his age think you're fucking free yeah um anyways some major reasons he's been in the news recently i didn't know this until i was watching taylor lorenzo's video he ran over a stalker with his cyber truck on christmas eve and got it on camera that sounds like a mad look it absolutely does clavicular hit stalker with cyber truck on christmas eve yeah isn't that crazy he that's actually the first time i heard about him he just ran over him and he was like did i kill him i think i saw a clip and i was like i don't know who that is yeah scroll yeah um he i think he went this is what he went to jail for shooting an alligator yeah but it was

already dead oh he's already dead that's that's the word less sad yeah he there was a dead alligator and he like stood up and just started like firing rounds into it but you can't do that in like a protected wildlife area was it wasn't it a was it just him or was i thought it was a bunch of guys i think it was him him and a couple of his friends were like in a boat and like one of those like swamp boats and he stood up and just started at this dead gator what are you doing dude i don't know anyway so that's why he was in jail but he also there was another reason that he was he did something else around the time that he shot the alligator do you have that in there um well he like he it was probably for going to a club because he's 20 so he has a fake id

oh um he also like is constantly getting in trouble because he's always streaming and they're like you can't do that here and he'll do it anyways he walked the runway at the new york fashion week and was kicked out of the after party because he was streaming the whole time and wouldn't stop um he went on and walked off of australia 60 minutes when they asked him if he identifies as an incel and he's like well that's a dumb question because obviously i'm like fucking bitches yeah and i mean like they also asked like his connections with andrew tate and he was like i know what you're doing man i know what you're doing like well i heard about like your wife cheating on you and the the guy interviewing him was like well i'm not married so

that's fine but like he just like he's like well maybe if you were more attractive you would have a way right like what are you telling what wife are you talking about i also think that i mean to be honest like i think to clavicular and the people who are like his fans and in that world they probably like saw what he was doing as he walked away from this as the winner because he's like kind of trolling them and the questions that were being asked of him were like

they're a little bit out of touch because they don't know about this internet culture they don't know how these people talk like you know it's like someone's parent like oh I just learned about mogging and looks maxing like yeah so

I think to his audience like those do seem like dumb questions I don't know it's like oh my god what was i gonna say i was just we were just we're talking about him on 60 minutes oh okay i got it back did you see his thing his interview with andrew callahan on like the channel five news andrew callahan um where like apparently the whole interview andrew callahan was asking him exclusively about looks maxing and then at the end of the interview clipper killer was like what the fuck dude like we were supposed to be talking about looks maxing this whole thing you haven't

asked me a single fucking question and even clavicular's chat because he was live streaming the interview at the same time was like dude he's only been asking you about looks back like he they were calling him out but he fucking like flew over the handlebars about it and then like got he like stormed out yeah he's he's he's yeah his brain is soup um the most i think the most like recent thing people might remember uh happening or remembering him from is his suspected overdose and hospitalization during a live stream earlier this month um if you've watched the clip he like kind of like loses consciousness and he just seems like he's super fucked up and then this is where he's out with another um looks maxing streamer androgenic which i'm just gonna call him androgenic

okay because i like that more yeah um and he like started having a seizure but like before he has a seizure androgynic is such a good friend and is like hey do you want an addy dude like to try and get him to pep up yeah like you wanted addy you wanted like did he have a seizure is that confirmed yeah and then he had a seizure dude uh and then like they're like oh we gotta take this guy to the hospital and you can see his bodyguard in the mirror and like during that like whispering to the camera guy they pan away yeah like not show him right only show androgynous yeah and they like his kind of reaction i didn't know that it was like a confirm that that's what had happened was that he had a seizure yeah that's really sad it is really sad and it's sad that like he's around

other people who are also super fucking empty yeah like like when i was thinking about a situation like i would never do something like that like most people i know would be like we gotta go home yeah but the fact that they're not drinking and they're just like doing a bunch of fucking drugs like it's like oh you're not okay and they're also incentivized to continue on like we're not gonna go home we have like streaming the whole yeah exactly yeah this is how they're making their money um also androgynic i don't know if you saw this uh i saw this clip like going viral for like a week someone came up behind him while he was like streaming or whatever and pulled his hat off and there was a wig attached snatched his wig literally snatched his wig because he

surprise surprise doesn't have a good hairline yeah i want to know if it's if it's a combined hat wig or yeah like those like visors that have like the crazy hair yeah i don't know i'm like actually this is completely unsurprising because the hair the wig hair does look synthetic yeah and obviously i don't expect a looks maxing straight boy to know that to make a wig look more natural you got to use dry shampoo yeah you got to use dry shampoo and you got to kind of like thin it out or like get hair plugs well he he's not that popular in streaming enough like he's not popular enough to go to turkey yeah yeah well uh speaking of surgeries clavicular keeps talking about going to turkey to get a double jaw surgery that takes like five months to recover jesus

christ and i don't think he's gonna do it because he's like already popping off online like why would you do that at the peak of your life right you can't you're gonna be wired shut for i mean help with not eating i guess how are you gonna stream bro um and allegedly his parents like took away his passport oh my god i wonder no he he can't still live at home no but i mean like he needs to be under conservatorship like he was like streaming from like a game or something he was somewhere where there was like a lot of other people and like talking to a girl about how he like does meth or something and then his dad texted him and was like you told me yeah he was he called it he said like his he called him like pathetic or

something for like being a drug addict and then his eyes started watering and he looked like he was crying a little bit it's just hard to not be a little sad yeah i mean like i don't think that there's enough the narrative around him i don't think is is um like being empathetic enough based on like the the general like yeah world the society how they're talking about yeah they're like oh this kid's fucking yeah look at this fucking like doing all these drugs if you like look at the core of it it's like really fucking sad yeah if he started doing this as a teenager he's he's a kid yeah to me he's he's a kid did you see the clip 20 this is a clip of him eating mcdonald's and crying about them putting cheese on his burger no it on first look is like come

the fuck on dude like let's be so for real relax you know he's like i i always tell them not to put cheese and they always put cheese on it and he like starts crying and the girl next time is like laughing but then she's like oh because like he's actually crying and like when i first watched it i was like this is fucking dumb but then when you think about it's like he is so starved of nutrients it takes nothing for me to cry when i'm hungry and like he has autism supposedly and so like he might have a thing with cheat like all of this stuff is being put under this microscope and is being blown up in a way that he can't get ahead of now like he's it's like it's all kind of getting away from him and it's we're watching it break him down in real time like

overdosing on stream yeah and it's objectively sad like he's like a person i can disagree with everything that he's doing and think that what he's doing is harmful to boys everywhere yeah i'm like i have no doubt that he would like if he watched us talking about him he'd be like these stupid millennial bitches yeah these ugly bitches these two threes are talking about me yeah something uh and we're together that's a six but i just like above average i don't know it is sad he doesn't have any real friends yeah and it's hard to not like i don't know i've been lonely yeah and sad right and cared so much about how i look like yeah i don't know it's hard to not see like the the relatability and like the tragedy of like how he got to where he is and he's so young

that you're like dude you're not gonna you're not gonna care so much about this yeah i feel like you need to go outside yeah go go like lay down in the grass and like touch it yeah yeah just appreciate how beautiful nature is or something like yeah find a different hobby i feel like people see people like him and he probably saw people like him before he was who he is like with all of these like beautiful women around them and like all this attention and money and be like oh that's like those guys have it fucking made and then when you're there it is so lonely everybody around you is using you everyone around you is trying to get something from you and like even when you're when you're in that it doesn't feel good no because it's like oh everybody's

just here because they want something from me and i am so fucking lonely i mean at the end of the day all anyone really wants is to like be seen for all of their for everything about them like your flaws all the things that make you lovable like and still be accepted and loved for them yeah like to be loved despite your flaws yeah and he's depression maxing there's like a clip of him like going up to a girl and he's like why are you by yourself or something like that and he's like oh so you're like by yourself maxing and i'm like that's kind of funny right i'm like he's gotta know this is kind of funny by that is so fucking funny by yourself maxing and i'm gonna say that from now on

what are you doing i'm just by myself maxing at home sofa maxing um some other things he might be memorable for is like youtube channel removals and bans for policy violations and alleged ban invasion i mean like youtube is if you're like openly talking about and doing meth on youtube they're gonna be like no yeah if you're like shooting a dead alligator i feel a little less sad that the alligator was already dead yeah i mean that's what i heard if the alligator was alive well yeah animal cruelty is repulsive that is psychopath behavior even an animal like being hurt on accident i don't want to see it no me neither i don't even want to hear about it no i don't even want to hear about it i want to know that all animals are loved and taken care of and

safe they're so special and if they you know if they die because of like natural causes or like you know the circle of life like i understand that some animals got to be dinner i don't think so i'll be more accepting of that all animals should be vegetarians people are like purposely harm harming animals i just there's something so disgusting i think that people that harm animals we should be able to like well if they're harming animals on purpose they're definitely harming people on purpose oh for sure but i think that we should be able to like hang them in like a like a crowd like time square not to kill them but to like pull their fingernails out one by one pull their teeth out one by one and make them eat their balls maybe we should do kind of like a

reverse uh what's what's that short story called like man's greatest game or something i don't know where like they hunt humans but it was kind of like a reverse of that where like we just kind to put like a guy in a cage and then like the most aggressive animals just kind of get to do whatever they want hell yeah you know no weapon i really i'm i am put them with a gorilla i am against capital punishment unless it's somebody that's been harming animals and murderers of course and pedophiles and pedophile well yeah i mean i think if the two there's yeah the top two are like pedophiles um and people who hurt animals on purpose including humans humans are animals yeah including humans yeah that feels fair okay well we're gonna be president now we're making

we're calling the shots anyone could run the justice department uh violence is only okay when we condone it yeah um criticism for promoting unhealthy or dangerous beauty standards to young men and ties to the broader manosphere slash looks maxing discourse which some critics connect to misogynistic or extreme extremist online spaces that concludes my notes thank you for compiling that book report i am sure there is significantly more like thorough research that other people have done especially especially like when you leave i'm gonna finish watching the rest of taylor lorenza's video she does such thorough research on like she's so great internet subcultures um yeah she is really great so love you taylor lorenz you as well should watch taylor lorenz's

video listener yeah uh and if you guys are like who the fuck is taylor lorenz she's actually the person who unmasked libs of tiktok yeah which that bitch should be banned from the internet yeah she should anyway well what an exhausting fucking topic yeah and i'm sure we could go on on i'm certain that we could maybe we'll have a clavicular part two in the future the clavicle the too fast too clavicular um i don't know there's probably a mogging looks maxing clavnado yeah joke in there somewhere anyways um you