The Hoely Hour - YAPPY HOUR: A Flip-flop to the Face

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

E231: Liz and Amelia recount Amelia's wild birthday weekend, hangover and all. Amelia and Liz read Reddit stories featuring a crazy gaslighter and a bridezilla (also a gaslighter), and reminisce on the insane days of TLC's early 2000's shows. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hi, it's me, Liz, and you might be wondering to yourself, why is Liz talking to me before the episodes even started? Well, let me explain it to you. So last week was my week to edit because Amelia and I take turns editing because we are a shared duo where we share the responsibilities of this podcast as true co-creators. she's my wife and my life and Frank can fight me on that but anyways last week was my week to edit and I also was going to a wedding with Mr. Liz and I forgot to upload the episode before we left so the episode was completely edited and everything before we left and I realized it on the taxi drive

to the airport that I had not remembered to upload it so you're in for a treat this week um you get two episodes um I'm going to be releasing this one right after I finish recording this um you know it's my fault for not uploading this sooner and I'm really sorry and I understand if you don't forgive me but hopefully the treat of having two episodes is enough to um continue having a a fanship or listenership or whatever you want to call it um a relationship of sorts with us so again i'm very sorry and life happens and i hope you understand but enjoy this episode it was a lot of fun it was two bitches with adhd try to remember what they were talking about and that's a whole podcast together we have one brain cell

have you ever been to catholic church oh have i christ has died catholic weddings i went i grew up only going to catholic prison prisons i mean it's kind of what that is yeah catholic wedding it felt like one when i was in elementary school i think that that's yeah that's by design but every wedding i went to growing up was a catholic wedding and it was they were so fucking long so then when i went to like weddings as adult like an adult all the ceremonies are like 10 minutes long and i was like that was it like what what did you guys forget a step like 10 minutes maximum do you forget a set yeah like don't you have another song to sing yeah right this is i was so confused ave maria yeah fucking i don't even know for some

reason there was always like opera at all of the fucking catholic weddings that i went to but i'm realizing that might just have been a my family thing no i like a lot like but but but about a yep i don't know how to say it but i know you're talking about a bit about a familiar bing bong boom um my birthday was last weekend happy birthday thank you happy birthday to our queen it was a lot of fun it was and that's we got way too drunk on saturday unplanned unplanned i i had like a little get together on saturday originally for people that couldn't come to my like birthday thing on sunday my planned birthday and it just turned into madness like right everyone got pretty turnt yeah i thought it was just me and i can't tell you how relieved i was the next day when it

sounded like everyone was a little hungover everybody was so drunk because frank i was buying shots hungover like i think i only did one shot i don't know how many shots i did i was like i'm not going to be pressured into drink because i don't really enjoy drinking anymore but the vibe was there it was and when you when you feel the vibe you got to go with it yeah we went to karaoke it was Frank did all six minutes of euphoria the Drake Kendrick

beef song it was I mean it was amazing it was there was so much passion of course he would pick that song six minutes he did a good job though the crowd was into it yeah yeah right the Gen Zers up front were like really feeling it I took a video of Frank performing

but and it totally looked like I was just recording the Gen Z girl sitting in front of him yeah no she had her light out and everything it was she contributed to the performance 100 um but yeah so that's my update how are you doing i feel like i'm on day two hangover to be honest like i feel like my throat is chalky you know when you have that kind of chalky feeling it also kind of feels like my stomach is chalky and i feel like that doesn't make sense but if you're hungover you know what i mean hangovers are the fucking worst yeah and I just cannot hang the way I once did I was thinking about it like I used to like the night

before college graduation I was out until like 5 a.m drinking and then we had graduation in the morning and then I was with family all day and I'm like how did I do that like I'm not I don't know I don't know how we we managed to do these things like I'm just gonna tell the listeners they know the most intimate details of my life um uh so after so after Amelia's impromptu bar birthday bar hop and birthday um I stumbled my way home after walking one of my friends home and we we cried together because she's moving yeah so we cried and then I walked she's like I'll walk you home I'm like that doesn't make sense because then you'll just have to walk back by yourself and I think she I don't know which of us was more fucked up so then I stumbled um

back home and i felt fine up until this point i get in front of my building and projectile vomit into the bushes you have any warning that this was about to happen i know i was like oh no i do not feel like the closer i got i was like i don't feel good oh god i don't feel good and then i was like i'm not even gonna make it upstairs and i just let let loose in the bushes and it was 3 a.m so no one was out to see me at least you aimed for the bushes because then that it's not gonna rain for a while you know yeah well and i didn't want my neighbors walking in my puke yeah and who i feel like it probably was just straight liquid at that point anyways um not nearly enough food it was an evening where i just kind of forgot to drink water because i was talking so much yeah

so that is always oldest time it that seems that's usually why i end up getting sick is because i forgot to drink water yeah that's fair yeah and then i made it inside uh started puking more and mr liz wakes up and he's like oh no cutie what's wrong and he like he's like oh how can i help you he like helps me get ready for bed he takes care of me he puts like water and and uh liquid iv next to my bed he's and then in the morning he went and got me gatorade because i was like i'm dying king uh truly truly but then later i was like how did you like know i came home and he's like well you weren't exactly quiet i was like probably was following around she she saw that the cat food was all over the kitchen in the morning i just love the image of you trying

to feed the cats fucked up drunk oh yeah yeah i'm like was it i'm i wonder like if i threw up and then i fed them or if i like was like no i gotta be my cats before i vomit more like i didn't black out until i got home this is what oh shit that's lucky yeah i this is you know how you see like random like video cameras like footage of inside people's houses i i always wish that i had one for moments like that like a gopro or something for when you're like that too yeah yeah so i spilled the cat food everywhere and then i asked mr liz like did you do this because i could see him being like oh what the fuck these cats already ate all their food liz isn't home just maybe being kind of annoyed or like being like i'll deal with this later um and he's like

no i did not and i was like okay i think that i did this understood super drunk because i was like either he did it or i did it when i was drunk and then uh wound up with a mystery cookbook um turns out is from the little free library but not one that is within walking distance like not one that's close so i was like where the fuck did i find this cookbook i wonder if somebody had like dropped it or something i don't know and then i decided it was mine yeah i was like i'm gonna bring this home i said this before recording but liz is liz is truly crow-coded like just like finding little trinkets along the way and just like bringing them home yeah yeah it's like you when you're thrifting too you know you're like really good at like finding things that you can

use for things you know you're very you're very crow-coated i am but this cookbook is beautiful it's not like you know how the books in like the little free library usually like well loved this is like a brand new book yeah it looks like it yeah it's so it's hard well i need to make at least one or two things before uh i return it it's from a little yeah it's from a little free library that is it's not close by but it is within walking distance so interesting i don't know it'll remain a mystery yeah we really should invest in gopros for those nights yeah we made a new friend you can't know yeah you're never gonna like i feel like at our age we don't know when we're gonna be getting blacked out you can't plan those things now no they just happen basically our

bodies are not processing alcohol like they used to fuck no but it was a good weekend it was fun yeah it was a blast had my little art day on sunday that was great uh being in the sun yes that was nice i'm so glad that we ended up moving it because my house is the temperature of the sun right now yeah it's been pretty hot in here for those of you who aren't in seattle it's been in the 80s which on its own 80 80s degree weather when you're outside is nice but when you don't have any ac yeah it's hot as fuck and your windows have just like the sun beating in all day and then it just sits yeah um i saw something on twitter i refuse to call it x on twitter that really troubled me it's not surprising it's something we've talked about in the past

people are doing this thing now with grok where they are asked they're telling grok to take this person's picture add like some like blush and like running eyeliner and put glue all over their face so it looks like they've got like a facial gross and one of the the women that this happened to was like how is this legal like what like yeah this has to be illegal right and somebody it was like very clearly somebody like white knighting which i'm not against but it was very white knighty like i got you and then said grok please make sure that nobody could ever do this again with nicole's pictures and grok wrote back and was like i don't have control over like who asked me to do what which is fucked up like yeah this has been a conversation for so long now

yeah i feel like there you should have to consent to your photos being used by grok yes yes like where in the fucking guidelines did i agree to that right that's the thing like chat gpt has shit in at least like whenever i've asked it to like make pictures of me like i'll like send it a picture of me and be like turn this into like a renaissance painting it they won't do it yeah they'll be like i can't do that with people and like that why doesn't every generative ai service have that built in that doesn't make any sense to me like that's so fucked up it is and it's after i like went through that thread of people like responding to that girl then the algorithm was like oh you like seeing these pictures of girls with glue all over their faces and now i'm

just getting a ton of them that just look like come on their faces do not use x i i will log in like once a day uh to look at what's trending just so i can like be kind of caught up and aware of like what conversations are happening yeah but even now it's not nearly as accurate of like a cultural zeitgeist like conversation yeah uh as it used to be it's really bad there now it's dark it's disgusting it's a shit place to be yeah it's i hate it but frank is on twitter a lot because of like sports stuff like it's still the best place to be for like discussing like what's going on in sports in real time um i feel like we should be allowed to sue grok or well sue x as a company for they 100 have something in place that when you sign up you agree to like

all this shit they they must because everybody i don't care i i know i agree there needs to be way more fucking it's also really fucked up because if their lawyers are better than any lawyer that like you or i are going to be able to afford yeah you know class action yeah we got to do some class action stuff i'll take like a like 50 cents from like a class action lawsuit you know i'll i'll cash that out happily um what was i saying oh frank is on twitter a lot and so he'll like send me funny things that he sees which then keeps me like i'll like open twitter and see what's going on and it's just like what like i don't have it on my phone anymore good don't it's i opened up blue sky by accident yesterday i was like what the fuck is this blue sky low-key sucks yeah it

was like it was better for like a slight amount of time and then uh totally like tanked yeah it's disappointing i'm like okay i guess threads is where it's at we could have had it all rolling in the deep rolling in the deep do you guys want to hear my real singing voice i'm just kidding hey do you guys want to hear my real singing voice now that we're alone yeah we could have i would love if that was a really drop in like an actual cut of a doll that's my real singing voice

oh well i have a reddit story do you have a reddit story no i didn't have time to pull that up before we started wow i know i'm just kidding i got a micro needling facial on friday it in my face it's just so much oh shit i started using tretinoin last week and it has been the like biggest hell of a face week of my life yeah because it does make everything it purges your skin and have you used it before yeah i used it like a year ago but then my insurance stopped covering it so but now my insurance covers it again i don't know how they make these decisions but um oh wow thank you oh my god oh thank you hey do i look like i have a comb over i kind of do no it does look a little like side bangy but i know and i parted i like side bangs i don't know

what's happening today um tumblr girl era that's me trendsetter uh what the fuck was i saying reddit stories nope no what was i just talking about fuck i don't know it probably wasn't important no i want to know no i do too but i will not should i pause it and go listen i guarantee you it's not worth that but if you would like to no i'll take your word for it it was probably some stupid tangent we're gonna listen back and it's gonna be something like groundbreaking i was distracted because you were trying to get your hair i know no i know i was distracted by my hair do it no i know and my hair my hair ruined everything honestly fuck my hair oh my micro needling oh no and we got there yeah no i was right it was not worth

bringing back up it was two bitches with adhc try to remember what they were talking about and that's a whole podcast together we have one brain cell that is we don't know who the mayor of seattle is i'm pretty sure it's i'm also like our mayors are they city-based or is it like a state thing it's city-based okay state is governor oh all right i did at one point i learned these things um maybe i'll take that shit out because no i don't want people knowing i'm a dumbass they they might already know is a photographer so who who is who is the mayor of seattle is the mayor of seattle this keyboard is really hard to use bruce harrell bruce harrell i was close yeah you were you were really close you knew more than me that's the only topic i've ever known more

is dan something right i feel like his name's dan greg abbott no nope that's texas greg i don't think so i'm following him on blue sky i can picture his face governor of washington bob ferguson wow the second you looked at before you even said i was like i know it's bob ferguson bob ferguson what did i say dan dan i mean both three letter names yeah you didn't say i do like i do like bob ferguson i was like no i'm pretty sure greg abbott fucking sucks yeah he's the one that fucking is that governor hot wheels that's governor hot wheels yeah damn he wants everyone to know that the disabled can be shitty people too

and he does it well he has a mission he set out to do it and he he succeeded okay don't pity me i'm also terrible i don't want to read you the title of this reddit story because it's going to give it away i actually don't know if it matters or if it's going to be helpful to know the title but i'm just going to start reading anyway read it to me this is an am i overreacting post um it says okay i guess i should have been less oblivious but since a little before we started dating in 2022 i was added to my boyfriend's just friend at the time three person instagram group chat with what he explained were some of his closest online friends the two other accounts seemed like real people because they had real followers and comments on their posts and

drastically different aesthetic slash looks to them i don't know what the fuck you're about to tell me we we eventually made a discord server for us and that alone was convincing enough since multiple times we'd all be active at the same time we we never tell me this man has no hobbies we never voice chatted but i used to never voice chat either so i didn't think twice the sorry let me adjust this the group got closer though and as more and more time passed since i was first added to their group chat and last month we got together and planned a research trip to hawaii for august we live on the east coast of the u.s like we booked everything so imagine my surprise when i'm over at his house tonight and his computer is open and i just want

to log on to my google docs when i accidentally stumbled across first of all follower bot sites and also him logged in and chatting with me as one of the individuals i thought i had become close friends with and just got this sinking feeling ew i didn't jump to the idea that they could be fake either i was like maybe he was just has their login since they're all so close and is way too interested in their messages but then i noticed their only chats were the group chats and the server and the real kicker was the email address it was signed up under was his backup email with his full name i quite literally snooped until he got out of the shower and caught me which i'm not saying was right of me but i couldn't help myself i think it was right of you at that point

yeah i feel like when you find something you're not in the wrong no you weren't going there to snoop it just so happened that you saw things that like concerned you not not were concerning like literally what concerned you it was about you well wait sorry did she say why she was on the computer to begin with yeah she was uh look looking at her google docs oh okay like okay if you're already using the computer yeah right during my snooping i gradually became devastatingly confident that he wasn't behind just one but both accounts i've never seen his face so red and he was he absolutely panicked and started shouting at me to get out of his business i couldn't even formed the right words to say to him in the end i just walked out of his apartment sobbing

it's very early in the morning i get that but the screenshot is what he has to say and i'm starting to feel crazy am i overreacting about my discovery here's what the conversation oh my god we're about to hear some gaslighting gaslighting ladies and gentlemen absolutely so the op said i just want to know why when it finally came time for the hawaii trip how are you going to explain that what were you thinking i mean yeah and he said you know something i've noticed about you not a good start not a good way to start you can never just be calm and there always has to be an issue i know you were raised in a volatile environment and still have to relearn a lot about healthy relationship dynamics what the fuck but it's like you thrive on chaos period only

period and we were gonna see wicked tonight if there goes that i guess i need to also know how old they are you can't be serious i deserve answers i am honestly she said this is this is op you can't be serious i deserve answers i am honestly so creeped out basically half of my life for the past two years has been a complete and total lie and you were behind all of it he said okay don't be dramatic you know this isn't a big deal you're just giddy to harp on this and make a bigger issue i can the level of manipulation happening here yeah boy i need this is okay i'm starting a new program where um when people are acting like a fucking idiot i smack them with a sandal oh yeah say knock it off yes an old navy flip-flop to the face oh god oh and that makes a

like a flat a well a well big worn one yeah too hell yeah they deserve that sweaty at the very at the very least because it's just like no you know that's fucking crazy yeah you know that is not normal the only in his defense the only way for him to get out of this is to make her look crazy it's like truly i mean for him to try hopefully she's not fucking stupid well i mean she's in am i overreacting like am i overreacting so the title is am i overreacting after i found out that my boyfriend's online quote-unquote friend group I became part of two years ago has just been him the whole time no girl no you're not overreacting we're severely under am I overreacting pisses me off sometimes because it's always like someone being verbally abused yeah and then

they're like am I overreacting and it's like girl you're underreacting yeah run like go to the cop don't go to the cops you're not gonna know what to do bonkers what are some of the comments the top comment is this is seriously so fucking creepy he probably made those accounts to try to get you get with you back when you were just friends and then just continued with the lie after he won his prize this is gross and unsettling i wouldn't even want to be anywhere near him after that i think that's a good point a lot of what happens on catfish the tv show which i am um intimately uh very up to date on unfortunately is it's always like i started this just because i was like bored or like curious about like you know what so-and-so is doing online and the lie just

got too you got too deep in it to back out which is not an excuse but it it is an explanation you know it doesn't make it okay it just makes it make sense i mean the fact that he defaulted to gaslighting her instead of being like instead of saying what you're saying which is like i'm really sorry this is so embarrassing and fucked up i know that yeah but i love you so much blah then you can kind of figure it out from there i feel like if you really love someone and you know in your gut that you can believe them and trust them yeah then maybe it's something you can forgive but if their reaction is to like continue to try and manipulate you yeah and this sounds like this isn't the first time that they've like gotten into some sort of disagreement

or conflict where he your bangs are just gonna be side bangs today i guess i'm sorry to tell you i know i just feel really self-conscious about them they look two sides i thought they looked cute oh thank you yeah i like them i thought they looked so nice thank you okay um yeah if that their reaction is to just like default to manipulate well yeah so it sounded like this isn't the first time that they've had conflict and he's been like you you just need drama like yeah you thrive on yeah you thrive on chaos motherfucker you created this situation how long did you think you were going to be able to pull this off right like if what if she's thriving on chaos like you created the chaos like what do you mean this man is a sociopath absolutely um i do have something for

you oh that for me i'm gonna try and find this was posted four days ago so this is on the wedding shaming subreddit um and there are some fun emails that i'm going to read oh my god i'm so excited okay um the title of it is wedding date changed last minute to a weekday in another state so i'm gonna read some emails from the bride oh no hi everyone we want to make you aware of a critically important update the ceremony date is now june 27th and the location has changed please note this down carefully we have decided we want to have a church ceremony in addition to our planned beach ceremony and reception the officiant of our choice does not do weddings at locations outside of his church having a church ceremony is very important to us morally

and ethically we are canceling the beach ceremony to spare redundancies there will still be a reception on the beach the ceremony will now be friday june 27th at 2 p.m at blank in oregon i was like mr liz we should crash this absolutely maybe um the reception will be the following day at blank in port angeles washington oh yeah so i'm like let's crash the reception if you cannot make it the 27th we understand but please be aware that will be the only opportunity to participate in professional photos bridesmaids we kindly ask you wear this yellow dress for the 27th still reserve the gray dress you already purchased to wear on the 28th. After viewing the interior of the church, gray would just not work. Thanks, groomsmen. Yellow ties will be provided for you

on the day of the ceremony. If you have any concerns, go ahead and reach out to our super girly wedding planner blank at blank. Thanks. Can't wait to celebrate with you. And then there's an email reply from a bridesmaid coming from halfway across the country and uh she is a relative of the groom so this is an email from her okay hi blank am i understanding the above message correctly to mean your wedding ceremony is now on a weekday during the day if so i have to admit i am pretty surprised and disappointed my family booked tickets months in advance to travel to washington and the church appears to be several hours away necessitating another hotel stay between that and the unexpected day off of work we can't afford this extra day i was not

participating participating i was not participating for the party aspect so much as the special memory of seeing you and blank get married and be be part of that milestone if i'm misunderstanding something or if there is another ceremony that will be happening on the 28th i apologize for the confusion but please let me know asap and then someone replied i think it's her i think the bride replied let's be respectful and take this offline please ladies friendly reminder contact blank directly with any concern so as not to spam everyone's inbox okay thanks i would absolutely reply all to one of those i am about to read you several emails from this bride shut the fuck up it doesn't end there oh my god oh my god quick updates and reminders hi everyone

we are so excited to have you as members of our wedding party thank you to those of you who actually care and stuck with us a few gen a few quick notes to do's and fyi's general we will no longer be using a wedding planner you know that wedding planner was like fuck this i cannot do this for you anymore oh for sure there's no amount of money i love the previous email she called her a super girl wedding a super girly wedding planner she's like also i was like scrolling through the comments i was like how old is this couple she is 33 the bride is 33 the groom is like 43 or something oh my god no this is early 20s behavior yes too old to be doing this we will no longer be using a wedding planner blank and i are just too quirky to fit into a box we're doing

things our own way please do not contact her with any more questions she is no longer involved with plan the planning of the wedding please come early on the 28th because we have been unable to secure enough chairs we don't really need them we'll be dancing all night if you're in the wedding party you are not expected to send a gift your presence at our special day is gift enough as previously stated we are unable to accommodate any dietary needs or requests please bring your own food if you require that hold on sorry side note the the you're not required to bring a gift if you're in the wedding party requiring anybody that comes to a wedding requiring anybody yeah no one's required to bring you no it's already expensive to go to a wedding anyway go on sorry

after careful consideration we have decided that the with the exception of our boys this wedding will be child free so this is like less than a month away from the date that they're supposed to get married this that also that does also include the reception please plan accordingly we'll have special goodie bags for all members of the wedding party available for pickup at the venue spoiler alert it includes a plant so if you're traveling internationally please plan accordingly bridesmaids if you're over five foot five please get these flats instead of the initially requested heels makeup will be 300 per person per day you don't have to get it if you don't want to on the 28th but we kindly insist all bridesmaids get it on the 27th if they want

to be in any photos also usually so sometimes the bride pays for the bridesmaids to get their hair right but whatever the fuck if you're not there on the 28th by 7 a.m you will not be let in to ensure things run on a timely schedule nobody wants a repeat of the batch i'm like what the fuck happened at that bachelorette party i only imagine i must know i i really hope one of our listeners is one of the bridesmaids here can you take us as a plus one please or wear like a nanny cam yeah we're a nanny i need i need to know i have so many questions groomsmen per tradition the groom cannot see the bride or the ceremony before the ceremony um so unfortunately there is nowhere for you all to get ready on the 28th since you basically just need ties this is no

biggie some people were going to get together at blank pub beforehand feel free to coordinate amongst yourselves we have another email i think the emails don't stop but i hi a quick few a few quick updates and gentle reminders after careful consideration we have decided there will be no speeches only confirmed catholic bridesmaids and groomsmen are permitted to stand with us during the ceremony not our rules the churches saui spelled like that saui sad face some of you have not paid the 25 per plate per person deposit for food which sets a poor example to the other guests as y'all are the wedding party they're making the wedding guests pay for their own food what are these people paying for they're not paying for a wedding planner anymore

so we kindly insist each member of the wedding party chip in 650 for expenses shut the fuck up i am sorry i have to ask at this point but it is customary for the wedding party to just offer no it's not no it's not this bitch doesn't know anything about anything this is your wedding they probably already paid for their dress like like having your bridesmaids pay for their dresses is already like that's already a lot of money well now they need to buy two dresses yeah right and different shoes uh-huh two looks the bride's gonna wear the same dress i don't know um if you don't drink we gently suggest you seriously consider whether or not you really want to come to the reception none of this is gentle this is meant to be a once in a lifetime celebration and

it only takes one wet blanket to snuff out everyone's fire you are the wet blanket this is a personal choice for you to make we will offer translation services for those who need them please direct your guests who require such services to sit in the back at the left at both functions there will be 30 minutes of open bar before the other guests arrive as a thank you to our number one ever wedding party love you all and it's like the emoji that's like puppy dog eyes puppy dog eyes hands raising emoji one more i hate maybe two more emails this woman hey ladies and himbos would anyone be interested in helping us get a wedding cake you'll be shouted out specifically during the ceremony if so

it has to be dairy-free thanks love you all so much it has to be dairy-free even though you won't accommodate anybody's food necessity whatever that's dietary restrictions allergies they should they this is a full-time job for this wedding party there's too much shit for them to remember i a shit ton of people dropped out of course this is our final email thank you all for bearing with me important read this if you are no longer participating in our wedding pulling out just days before the ceremony we totally understand but please be advised we won't forget who stood with us or not okay fine and it's like a heart that's like the lesser than symbol and the three oh yeah yeah like the millennial myspace heart uh-huh what

the fuck dude what the fuck you're i who how does this person have enough people in their lives that haven't ditched to have to have a bridal party that's crazy well so i had gone through the original posters comments because people are like there's no way this is real it's too insane he's like i'm afraid it's very real and i'm a groomsman and then everyone's like you need to tell us how this goes and he's like yeah if there even ends up being a wedding and then yeah uh people were asking about the proposal and apparently the groom proposed to the girl the girl was already like wanting to break up with him oh shit they've only been together for a year oh no and the groom proposed to her in a very public fashion in front of all of her co-workers and family and so she

said yes and now she's like oh making this nightmare maybe she's self-sabotaging on purpose maybe she's like maybe if i can make there be no wedding yeah i can then there will be no wedding early i also kind of wonder if they're having their ceremony at a church because it's free when you get married at a church you just donate to the church right but also to like but the beach is free that's true is it yeah i think so there are so many different things that like like it's really important that we like get married in the catholic church even though you're now like shaming people who don't want to get drunk at your wedding it is so catholic and you don't even have an open bar you want everyone you have an open bar for 30 minutes for the

wedding party only right that's insane so it's very catholic church coded to like have a collection bucket for your own wedding oh you did that yeah because it got dark it was getting dark um this is absurd that is absurd i don't know how i need to talk to this wedding planner i need to find out well i i think that this couple they live in washington but unclear where in washington that they live probably around port angeles i'm thinking yeah i'm like would this is this seattle couple behavior um well and then people were asking the the poster they were like has this girl always been crazy and he was like no she always seemed really normal up until the wedding planning thing maybe she is self-sabotaging then but just break up with the

guy don't lose all your friends yeah why do you have to like and if you've already made people buy a bridesmaid's dress and then someone asked like what happened with the batch party like she said like we don't want to repeat it yeah and one of the bridesmaids said that like she like they weren't expecting her to want one or something so then she was like why the fuck haven't you guys planned a bachelorette party for me and so then she made them plan a bachelorette party for her at a destination in the span of two weeks and they like booked all this stuff with the assumption that everyone in the bridesmaids party would be able to go and only like a few of them could go of course so now they have like this massive bill for like an airbnb and

all this other bullshit like she sounds like a fucking pill absolutely wow but i'm also like okay would i trust a man's judgment to be able to clock if like a girl is crazy no no no definitely not i mean this is her friends are her personal friends are probably not at all shocked by this if she has any like do you have real friends this doesn't seem like real friend behavior right i mean yeah maybe it's like the the one the one reply all email was like yeah to like book a flight across the country to like go to this person's wedding like you have to like at least be kind of close with them yeah like i don't know bananas oh my fucking god i if if like someone i love like if you were ever acting like this i would be like you need to have a come to jesus

moment absolutely i would hope that you would you're acting out of pocket i please do the same for me yes absolutely we all need someone in our life who's gonna give us loving um feedback yes of like all right totally understand why you're stressed about this but like not everything is about you even your own wedding like having a wedding sure it's your day and it is about you and your union with this other person but it's also all of these other people here to celebrate you you need to be considerate of them yes it is expensive to go to a wedding uh-huh it's expensive to be in a wedding yes i i feel thankful that i've never had to deal with that no me neither uh yeah a lot of my friends we were also talking about this before recording a lot of my friends

are just like avoiding avoiding they're just like doing away with the whole idea of a wedding ceremony situation i went to a wedding last year and it was one of my friends weddings and she came up to me she was so drunk and she was like promise me you'll never have a wedding it's not worth it it's so expensive it seems so stressful yeah I don't know you're paying for other people it's fun to be at a it's fun to be at a wedding yeah it's fun to be at a wedding I've thought about being the bride at a wedding and I'm like I've always I've always felt growing up I was like oh yeah I'm gonna have like a big ass wedding and blah blah blah yeah but I never really thought complexly about it i've never really like thought about like oh all of these details that go into

planning a wedding right and the cost and i just don't like a lot of the traditional shit about weddings i was talking about this with my family this last summer about like what i want my wedding to look like and like i want there to be like a petting zoo and like and like adoptable dogs and shit you know what i mean like shit that's like it's not gonna be very weddingy but i want but it'll be a wedding you know what i mean like it'll be a wedding at a petting zoo yeah like an animal sanctuary do you think it would be a little stoinky it'll be a little stoinky someone made a boo-boo everyone gets a puppy yeah like in bridesmaids yeah everyone lives with a golden retriever puppy um no but i do like just all i would give everyone a bag of drugs i

have a friend who paid 30 000 for her wedding and that was her being like mega conservative and i don't even know where that money went like well the second you put the word wedding at the end of something the price goes up like 150 right i that's the pink tax yeah that's some bullshit pink tax business you know what is interesting i feel like it wasn't like weddings weren't this big crazy thing until tlc started broadcasting them oh yeah did you ever watch four weddings no but my mom and I fucking loved TLC I remember like coming home from school and we'd sit down on the couch and we'd start watching TLC shows my mom's favorite show was a baby story oh which is kind of weird so it shows like all of the pregnancy stuff and then this new the the newborn

baby okay like planning for having a baby yeah and maybe that sounds not as weird but I like when I think about it now I'm like that is a little crazy and I think it's a little crazy that was my mom's favorite but my mom really loves babies yeah and at that time I think she was trying to get pregnant again oh yeah okay I don't know well shit yeah I guess when you're like what'd you say it didn't happen but yeah it's it makes sense if you're like reading up you know yeah yeah yeah no I there's it was the same thing with like my super sweet 16 it feels like when they started like broadcasting oh it needs to be a whole big thing yeah and then four weddings is they it's four different women who compete they compete with their wedding and they rank each

other's stuff they rank the venue the dress the food um the decor oh my god the ceremony the reception messy yeah so they they rate each other's weddings and then whoever has the highest overall scorer gets a free honeymoon damn and like everyone else just feels really bad about their special day yeah like you're all trying to be the winner so that's reality tv back in the day was fucking buck wild like do you remember that show that was like do you remember trading spaces yes i loved oh my god my mom and i well when my mom came to visit while mr liz was out of town we were talking about trading spaces and we loved trading spaces too and I pull out like I'm like I pull up YouTube and we start looking at like old recap videos of trading spaces and we're like

these look like shit oh yeah they look so fucking terrible and I was like I don't remember them looking this bad well it's like decor has changed so much oh yeah my mom was literally screaming she was like oh my god like appalled it was hilarious her i love when she's shocked because it's like such an overreaction it's oh yeah of course does your mom do the gasp oh yeah the mom gasp the gasp in the car and like when you wake her up that that's valid yeah no for sure but it's always a little it's always like you would think that i was like holding a knife over her or something i mean sometimes mr liz will wake me up before he leaves and i'm confused oh when he left when I was hungover in bed um so he woke up and I was like I feel like shit can you

please give me Gatorade and he's like absolutely and he gives me Gatorade and I slurp some up and then I like go back to sleep and he's rubbing my back while I'm sleeping and then um he left to go on a bike ride with one of our friends and he he later I woke up and he had texted me and he's like I went on my bike ride cutie I tried waking you up I I rubbed your back and gave you a few kisses but you didn't wake up and he was like i've never seen you sleep that hard dude they're like post alcohol sleep oh yeah you're in a whole different you're in a different stratosphere that's so funny i was gonna bring up the show do you remember the reality show of them giving like quote unquote like ugly ducklings like full makeovers they would give them like plastic surgery and yeah

and they would block all the swan yeah yeah the swan they would block all the mirrors so they couldn't see they couldn't see themselves they blocked all of like the reflections and then they would like reveal their plastic surgery at the end insane insane and a lot of these women have like a lot of problems from this process yeah mental and physical having all of this dramatic plastic surgery like i don't know if you've ever browsed the plastic surgery subreddit but like people don't talk about like you have you have this facial dysmorphia afterwards because you sure you wanted to change this thing about your face your entire life but now you don't recognize yourself in the mirror yeah and it can be very shocking and upsetting even if objectively like

you look great you're just not used to recognizing yourself so making a show out of it is like yeah traumatizing absolutely these women have to see themselves in the mirror and try and process in real time that this is how they look now and to be deemed like ugly enough to like deserve it too oh yeah crazy that would fuck me up can you imagine like that would never happen today a show like that that would never happen the shows in like the late 90s early 2000s were crazy that's why dirty rock is like so on par with like the things it makes fun of yeah they predicted milf manor before it was before it was a thing milf island milf island uh anyway i also i mean i did like what not to wear they were a little mean sometimes oh yeah so yeah um and my mom and

i hated the fucking hairstylist because he would always just chop off all their hair he wasn't considerate of like oh this is going to be like the most flattering for you and it's one of your personal preferences yeah so they'd just chop off all their hair and then they'd inevitably be crying yeah because you cut off all their hair right and that might not even be the good look for them it was like america's next top model too they would just like buzz their head yeah he i think he was just like i gotta make it dramatic so the best way i can do that is cut off all their fucking hair um but we loved the makeup artist carmen d oh she taught me how to apply blush oh okay on the apples of your cheeks yes and it helps if you smile because then you can better find the apples

of your cheeks and she did an amazing job she really did like she made them like she she picked things that suited their personal style but also was like complimentary yeah to them it's like oh you you like having like more of a smoky eye let's i'll show you how to do it the right way she actually like cared about yes the people that she's not like i'm going to cut off all your hair yeah oh my god he had an accent oh i was wondering what that was yeah hey i'm just kidding it's like yeah that's just how he would say it um i'm trying to see if the person that gave that am i over reacting post oh there is enough there's an update brief update be a friend group situation but then oh i think that means they deleted it um well the top comment is thank fuck i see too many people

just stay in toxic relationships because they think it's easier in the short term so it sounds like they broke up yeah you're ten thousand percent doing the right thing that guy's a fucking weirdo block him on everything block any new accounts he makes and don't look back wait so when you clicked on that did it show pictures though there was like half of a conversation they stopped sharing their location with them you're just giddy to harp on this and make this a bigger issue yeah no there's nothing anyway so never mind forget i said anything well they did at the very least we can presume they broke up yeah um that reminds me of a girl i saw on tiktok who was talking about like

she was like would you break up with someone over this and she was explaining the situation with her boyfriend she was like we've been together for i think she said three years and they had just moved in together and like they moved to a city um and i think it was for his job i might be conflict like confusing a few different facts but anyways they were living together at this point and um he kept like not doing things he needed to do to like just take care of himself like he needed to go to the dentist but he just wouldn't like make an appointment and just like it sounds like depression the same things over and over again like where he just wouldn't do the things and she's like he thinks he has adhd but then he also won't do anything to

assess that and he she was like how did you like do these things before you were in a relationship and he's like my mom always did it oh yuck yeah so she was just like okay well i'm not your mom so and i'm not going to keep asking you to do these things that you need to do to function as an adult and um she gave a few other examples and then people in the comments were obviously like I'm telling you now like I'm divorced from someone who is just like this yeah um and then another comment that I thought was like a really great comment they were like the things you fight about now are going to be the same things that you fight about for the rest of your relationship so you need to decide if that's something that you want to argue about all the time yes

otherwise because it's not going to change right and then uh her update was she broke up with him good i mean like you never see that you never see that no but it's like you're posting about it on tiktok and it like goes kind of viral like he's gonna see that like what like yeah it's bizarre it's bizarre to take it to the internet like that like i feel like unless he yeah because what if her friends like if his mutual their mutual friends see it right yeah but she said after he she broke up with him he immediately made a dentist appointment oh and the comments were like he's gonna try and make it seem like he can like yeah he's capable he's gonna cosplay as an independent person like do not go back to him yeah because that's gonna die off immediately

it is kind of true the times where i have um gotten back together with someone after a period of time they try and make it seem like they've changed but they haven't no of course it's only temporary yeah yeah they have to want to change they can't be changing because you want them to well and i think that should like reassure anyone who's ever like regretted a breakup or something like or if you've broken up with someone and then they move on really quickly like they haven't changed there's nothing special or better about this person that means they haven't that they've changed for them not for you absolutely i think that they just have found someone who will tolerate that yes 100 but it's so easy to look like rose-colored glasses and just be like this must

have been what it took for them to become the person I always wanted them to be it's like no that's just not how it works it's interesting that our brains convince us of that oh yeah like oh they must be doing better yeah like no I don't know yeah we tell ourselves stories fill in blanks and they're almost never correct like there are some people who not that I know intimately but they're married and then i'm like you guys are married yeah because i when when you realize you're like oh your relationship seems like it kind of sucks like i would never marry someone if that were my relationship you know just makes me thankful yeah oh absolutely amelia told me something funny the other week where she was like sometimes when i'm frustrated with frank i'll just

pull open the t app and remind myself how amazing yeah like just be thankful that i have the man that i do have it's just it's truly because i always know how incredible he is but you know we and he'll say this we get on each other's nerves and i'm just like you know it's inevitable that this person people that you live with are going to get on your nerves right he is such a fucking prince every time i open tea i'm like even when i'm not frustrated with him i'll open tea and be like holy fucking shit even more this man is so incredible i told mr liz you told me that and he thought it was really funny it's i mean i it's it's a great tactic the t-app is so scary it is it's just like scrolling through a bunch of men with dead eyes yep and then men obviously

hate the app but it's like okay well look at why you hate it there are some posts on the t-app i will say this there are some posts on the t-app where it's just like okay it sounds like maybe this guy is just a guy and like it didn't work out for you guys that doesn't make him like a terrible person and then there are some where it's like this guy made me feel bad and then it'll end with like also he like uh has a criminal record for like sexual assault and it's like girl lead with that yeah lead with that yep that's what this app is for the app is for safety purposes it's not like was this guy a dick to you like because everyone has different preferences right but like i feel like unless they did something incredibly fucked up like maybe you shouldn't

be posting yes agreed and that's where i can understand why men might have a problem with it yeah right because it's like everyone's like mistakes are going to be like put on blast you know but it's like no there there is a lot on there that's like kind of like west elm caleb it's like okay it just kind of sucks yeah he's just yeah do we does he deserve to be west elm caleb and then we found out the seattle version was a dude i was dating or i had dated remember wait hold up music man oh okay i was like was it music man yeah is he West Elm Caleb he no I mean or like was he he was no my thing I remember he was always so honest about what his intentions were but people were like liking the comment when they like said his

name they were like yes a hundred percent that is oh wait yeah because I sent it to you that's wake up yeah music man is West Elm Caleb I'm like Seattle's West Elm Caleb and then he texted me that day West Elm Caleb was hotter you're like yeah he's kind of a hot douchebag yeah whereas i felt like music man i could never remember how he looked yeah that's fair he's a pretty generic white dude and i'm i'm not saying he wasn't handsome no i just i know what you're saying it's just like okay how memorable how dare you treat someone i love yeah like they're not a beautiful perfect angel thank you you're not hot enough to be behaving like that so true and even if you were you shouldn't be behaving like that see that's why hot people need to be kind

because that just is really funny when people are like and you only like them because they're hot but then when they have an amazing personality it's like well what now yeah that's not true no it's that's so real i also feel like when dudes are good at sex they don't feel the need to be anything else that's so true it's like most tall men that i know that's their entire personality and if they like have a big dick they they automatically think they're good at sex like you just you give this power to people that are undeserving yeah it's true you know it's true anyway i feel like i was gonna tell you something else but i can't remember what it was do you want to think put your thinking cap on you want to think about nah i'm like man we're

an hour all right sick beep beep we made it and it's early too well it stays light until 9 p.m here now which is fucking crazy it's the best i have a friend in town for she's here for like labs for school and she texted me and frank and she was like how the fuck this is the weirdest shit ever it looks like noon outside it was like 9 p.m yeah so it's crazy it really throws you off yeah but anyway when you leave we're gonna eat leftover pizza for dinner i need to figure out what i'm eating for dinner i'm fucking starving man we could give you a slice to go oh that's so nice of you no it's okay i'm good i'm good i have some trader joe's frozen food at home that's calling my name i do love their frozen section me too uh do you want to play us out more than

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