The Hoely Hour - YAPPY HOUR: Sydney Sweeney’s Bath Water

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

Frank bought a hat and we talk about it for the first 6 minutes. Should Sydney Sweeney be selling her bath water? Should height filters on dating apps exist? Should doctors be able to give you pelvic exams without your consent? Are we the best singers alive? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hold on, can I get something off your eyelash? Because if it goes in your eye, it's going to hurt. Oh my God, thank you. That's a serious one. Saved my life. Yeah. That absolutely hurts. You can bill your insurance for that.

truly the most aggravating thing that we own 16 bucks when he it's a birthday hat when he asked the uh convenience store clerk how much this was like he was like he looked at me and he was like should i get that good vibes only hat and as i was saying no absolutely not he points to it and says can i get that hat to the clerk and he was like you want that one and then he handed it to him and he was so like reluctant when he handed it to him are you sure i'm pretty sure it's been back there the whole time the place has been open it looks like it's from 2008 it should have stayed there i'm gonna google image search this will you describe the hat to our listeners describe what the hat is so it's a red hat that says good vibes only on it but not only does it say good vibes

only on it it says good vibes only in about every color and also every font with a neon green and on the back it also says good vibes only in every single color and on one of the sides i like that it says good vibes only on the front and the back one of the sides is a is a money face a smiley face with money eyes it's like they went out of their way to make this hat as agitating as possible well you'll be pleased to know it comes in other colors um no fucking way it comes in yellow and pink uh navy blue and yellow and black and green the black and green one is the least offensive to the eyes let me see here's the picture with all the color options i feel like i want to cut this out of the episode just so frank doesn't find out because i can see wow that is

literally exactly the same hat uh-huh I can't believe that this wasn't an accident this like this feels like a factory glitch I need to see where the okay top pro sports well you guys paid too much for it because this website is selling them for six dollars and fifty cents I'm surprised that are not paying people to take them that's how awful this hat is we'll give you six dollars of 50 cents to take these hats off our hands yeah amazing i bet that they priced it that high just to do the world a favor they're like we have to keep this behind the counter it's honestly pretty funny i i think it's hilarious i'm glad that you feel that way liz it has impeded you don't have to look at it it has impeded on we were on mushrooms on saturday and i went outside and

frank was wearing it and i literally felt the need to leave and go back inside like physically recoiling i was just like that i don't i do this hat is passing off some negative energy so what you're saying is i should get you the yellow and pink one for your birthday so you guys can have matching hats yeah we can throw in a bonfire together and then that's the christmas photo honestly that would be kind of a serve i'm gonna overnight this kind of a serve i need to have it by sunday i can't believe you paid ten dollars extra well the pink and yellow one is twenty dollars on ebay so it's on ebay like somebody's like it's like an auction moment yeah yeah okay let me get into a bidding war um they've sold 19 of them new with tags are you fucking kidding

why do they have that many it's a great question i'm trying to find where they have the description of the hat this premium snapback hat features a solid design in yellow black and purple colors with good vibes only theme and embroidered 3d that gorgeous doesn't even do it any sort of justice we should buy a bunch and and sell them as our merch just co-branded buy them in bulk that would actually be kind of funny this hat that's hilarious that the the worker was like are you sure he was so appalled i thought i thought frank was joking too i was like not certainly he will not be spending his hard-earned money on this and he did i i don't even know i don't know what i would think if i saw someone wearing this hat

just not knowing frank like if i if i saw frank wearing this hat and i didn't know him i wonder i wonder what i'd think no it's it's it's mortifying walking around with him when he's wearing that he was also he bought a black and mild at the same time and then smoked the black and mild walking through the streets of seattle wearing that hat and i would definitely expect someone wearing this hat to be smoking a black and mild yes for sure yeah when it's backwards it doesn't feel as threatening i'll say that i love that on the side it's a smiley face uh and the smiley face has dollar signs for eyeballs yeah because if you're wearing this hat you're rich and everybody should know you're rich and you're happy oh he'll also left the tags on and

he will not take them off and i kind of support him you know it's legit it's it feels like he's gonna return it and i like it for that reason orange tag on it yeah amazing anyway beautiful hat i would like to be excluded from this narrative moving forward um talked about this hat for six minutes you know that feels it feels like it at least deserved that uh-huh so yeah you know now we can throw it away it was a hot topic at the at the birthday party it was oh yeah yeah frank's birthday party was this last weekend it was a lot of fun that's why we were doing mushrooms and wearing hats yeah it was truly good vibes only it was except for the hat the just to explain what these mushrooms are like to the listeners oh my god so I was like a little bit hungover

um not in like a painful way you know when you're just like oh yeah I'm a little tired I was drinking the night before and I was up late and I didn't sleep amazingly because I don't know if you experience this but like if you drink a little bit more than you normally would like you wake up a little earlier like yeah I mean the sleep overall just like fucking sucks The sleep sucks. Yeah. So I was a little hungover in that capacity and I just wanted to eat everything. But I was overall doing all right. You know. And then we eat the mushrooms and they hit fast. And one of Frank's friends looks over at Mr. Liz because Mr. Liz is getting high as hell. He's getting high. He's having his come up I think is a lot better than mine. and i i like withdrew i was like i'm gonna vomit yeah and i'm trying to like process i knew exactly how you were feeling it's a fucking awful feeling my heart was pounding and my heart usually pounds anyways during the come up of mushrooms like i always have kind of like a mini meltdown you try

taking beta blockers before taking mushrooms that is a great idea yeah i haven't and i should do that yeah i should try that next time um so i'm freaking out and i'm texting mr liz who's sitting a few feet away from me and I'm like I'm anxious and I wanted him to like comfort me and he's like hi good luck babe fucking kind of stupid about it but Frank's friend looks over at Mr. Liz and he's like these mushrooms are kicking your ass aren't they and then he's like oh yeah he's like last thing you want to hear before you get really high it's truly the worst thing you could hear before getting high and then I was like I'm gonna go sit outside yeah I'm glad that you did that but then when you were sitting outside you saw my neighbor it's a very upsetting sunshine statue that's

attached to their stairs yeah it's like uh what would you call that it's like an outdoor sun yeah it's like a metal yeah it's like a metal hanger yeah hanging picture it's outdoor decor yeah for sure so I'm like deep breathing because I feel like I'm gonna puke and I know it's temporary but i still like i feel awful yeah and i'm like looking around looking at the beautiful clouds trying to calm myself down and then i see this i see this horrible ugly jarring face it's it's i was like it's a menacing face it really is there's something about it why is it looking at me like that i don't like it either and then like it's also facing frank and amelia's like driveway it's so it's i'm like why is it facing their home if they put it trying to put

a curse on your right it feels like a religious ritual we need to sage this there are multiple i was looking for sage for the hat initially but i think the sun should probably be staged also but after uh after my come up kind of breakthrough i was like okay i'm having a great time but mr liz came outside with me and was keeping me entertained while i was coping with the the ass kicking come up you guys were so funny it was it was you guys were just laughing oh my god he he cracks me the fuck up especially when i'm on mushrooms i really needed to take those mushrooms that day i was in like super hosting mode and originally it was just frank's friend that asked for them and i was like you know what let's turn this into a party affair

did frank's friend give them to you no but he wanted to smoke weed but then nobody had weed and then frank was like but we have mushrooms but my issue my problem and my mistake was that i opened up a new bar and it was a very potent and thank god i told people to take just half of a square even people that i knew take mushrooms i should have taken that advice yeah but I was like I don't know even though Mr. Liz is literally twice my size I'm like how much did you take these I could take the whole I took the whole square and then I was like okay I saw that you both grabbed two and I was like okay well yeah and I had recently done shrooms and it felt fine I don't know I don't know what I was thinking I was like yeah I can do it

but i definitely should have uh spaced them out you know we live and we had a good time it was a good time i think if i wasn't hung over the come up wouldn't have been as aggressive but but it was aggressive for mr liz too it was aggressive for me i only took half mr liz is kind of lightweight in general that's so funny because he's so large yeah when we first started dating he'd get hung over after like two drinks damn relatable king yeah you hate to see it i went to a doctor like specifically a vascular doctor to that was that was covered by insurance which was impossible to find there were only two doctors that treat lipoedema that were covered by my insurance which is crazy because it's blue cross blue shield so you would think that they would

cover more but then I found out at the doctor that they didn't start studying lipoedema until really seriously until 2020 so the doctor said do not read anything pre-2020 because like they didn't actually like really give a shit she didn't say this but they didn't really actually give a shit until 2020 she didn't need to say that for that us to know that yeah it was the implication yeah because it's like really overwhelmingly women deal with it um and it's over diagnosed as cellulite and being overweight so often um and she felt my legs and she was like oh yeah that's absolutely what you have which was very affirming because like this has been an issue for me even when I was in like the best shape of my life I was always so self-conscious of my legs

and it doesn't get better with weight loss in general I am a fan of um compression socks though they're so comfy have you you should try wearing them on the plane the next time you're on that's what I've heard that's what I've heard I'm a fan I mean yeah they're they're they're pretty great they're expensive yours look nice yeah these are mine were cheap on Amazon and they are a little lung comfy these were 60 bucks they measured me for them and everything crazy yeah mine aren't that nice but they um are referring me to a surgeon that will probably be covered by my insurance and then i will have liposuction stories to tell that will be fascinating yeah yeah i was reading the lipoedema subreddit and also i want to just highlight my um

the progression of my relationship with reddit over the years i didn't know how to use reddit when i first started this podcast look at me i'm a trailblazer i'm an i'm an i'm an adopter i'm a i'm a tech maven yeah and i just wanted to call that out she is she's ahead of the curve thought leader she's a girl boss she mover and shaker yeah yes thank you for a her story and if you will amen sister um but um i was reading the subreddit and people were saying they've gotten like a few rounds of lipo for this because if you can't ever get rid of it it just kind of keeps coming back but getting lipo can slow the progression of it so that's that is what I'm gonna do hopefully it's just a one-time thing it's so I just think it would be oh god getting

a surgery like multiple times uh-huh and liposuction is not a small surgery no it's serious yeah uh would it just be on your legs yeah yep my my legs and my calves so like usually only happen in one area yeah sometimes um people get it in their arms instead of their legs some people will get it in both um it's usually even on both sides of the body there are other i think like lymphedema is more um like one side of the body will be more affected than the other lipedema is very like it's mirrored um which mine is and i don't know it's just like it's really the doctor said she looked at me and she was like she was looking at my legs and she was like it's not that bad but I know to you it is that bad and I was like I wanted to cry like thanks for validating

me this is all I've ever wanted and she said it so casually she wasn't like I see you you know she's like I know this is like that bad for you and I'm like I've never heard a doctor say that you know I usually I'm used to getting the advice when shit is wrong like well I don't know like wait until it's bad I guess you know what I mean how what yeah it's like no that's I don't want to do that so other than that i'm also taking a lymphatic drainage pills that are like the size of my hand that's a that's dramatic they're big do you have to be prescribed lymphatic drainage pills no you can get them on amazon fun fact interesting i personally i would not buy pills on amazon i know but my doctor told me to yeah because same i never ever get like vitamins or

anything from amazon it's like not regular like anyone could sell anything on amazon yeah i'm like right right she gave me a link though to the company's specific page and it was like branded for the company so I felt okay about it yeah typically don't get pills from Amazon or anything that you put in your mouth on Amazon um but yeah they're huge and I have to put them in peanut butter like a dog which is pretty sad that's all I wanted to say about my lipedema switching topics I do have a couple of like lighter topics to talk about I mentioned one of them to you another one i just remembered and i thought it would be fun to just briefly talk about uh did you hear about sydney sweeney selling her bath water yes what are your thoughts on selling bath water i am of

the camp of if you can capitalize off of horny men you should absolutely do it like she that is a phenomenal thing for her like it's it takes nothing away from her it's in it's it's like a partnership with a soap company yeah that she's already like partnered with it so it does it feels like she's already being objectified yeah yeah without her consent so she might as well like make people pay for it i also wonder how legit that is but i think the biggest concern for me is like okay let's say it's real bath like real sydney sweeney bath water like if your dna is in that though that freaks me out that's the same thing i i have with like selling your like used underwear yeah i'm like if your dna is on that that's kind of scary what can people do with it

yeah and do you trust internet creeps who are gonna buy your bath water or your used underwear you don't know but like i also feel like when you're that famous like i wouldn't be i hope it's i hope she it's just fucking not water with a little bit of soap in it i like i feel like if you're that famous gift of the year people are maybe already like waiting for you to throw shit away and like grab it from the garbage can and that has your dna on it you know what i mean so people are so weird they're so weird recently more like people are harassing um like female athletes there's like a college gymnast and like she recently started talking about how like um creepy photographers and like paparazzi will be waiting for her at the airport

so they'll either be where she needs to go like when she's going through tsa pre-check and she'll they'll like bombard her and have a bunch of they're all she said they're all middle-aged men and they'll bombard her with like pictures demanding that she sign them and then if she doesn't do it they start like yelling at her and harassing her or they'll be waiting at her gate which means they bought a ticket to go wait at the gate that's true yeah post 9-11 you can't just wait at the gate it's insane that's crazy yeah and then a lot of the comments were like how the fuck do they know like about your flight like how do they know where you're going there are ways there's somebody I was talking to somebody who is like not super she's like d-list maybe which

doesn't mean to say she would say the same thing she's a comedian she was saying that like she would land at an airport and there would be like a family there like with pictures for her to sign waiting for her to get off the airplane and she at first she was like that's so cool that like they wanted but then they but then she realized how the fuck do they know where I am and where i'm gonna be and like they know what my flight is there's hundreds of thousands of flights a day so there either needs to be someone who is like selling off this information or there is a leak yeah somewhere right oh it's so gross you see this is creepy did you see i know that there's like stuff going on with justin bieber that's like actually concerning but one of the things that

they're calling out as being like a crash out is him yelling at the paparazzi did you see that video they were like at his the house he was staying at at coachella like on the property and he ran out to them and he was like money money money like all you want is money money money that's what you want huh money money money he just kept saying that and people are like oh my god he's like losing his mind it's like no these people are so all up in your fucking face all the time and harassing you i can't imagine what it must feel like as a young woman to be still in college as a gymnast and having people harass you to that degree it's just the older i get i totally understand why Britney Spears shaved her head and yes uh used a what was it umbrella hit a car with

her umbrella some yeah I went through a phase there before getting on Prozac that I was like I will I would do that I would shave my head and smash out a window it would take so much less you know yep but yeah no back to Sydney Sweeney I do think that she it would be interesting to know if like there's like small print on it i hate that like the internet makes me defend sydney sweeney yeah she's someone i otherwise would not give a fuck about yeah right anyways the other thing that i wanted to talk about um height filters on tinder what are your what are your thoughts on that in general yeah is there discourse right now about it are you just talking i mean like i haven't really looked into of course there's discourse i have no idea

really it's predictable right you know it's uh dudes being fucking pissed about it yeah um and women being like well sorry you're all terrible and you infantilize women so but i i mean i i just think like uh i think it's hilarious that there are so many dudes crashing out about it and i also think um like the dudes crashing out about it are the same type of guys who will say like um say shit about like single moms and yeah only want to date women who are like 110 pounds because they've never seen a real woman right um that was what i was about to say and then i also conversely i think the other side is like i think that a lot of women might miss out on some really great guys yeah if they're only thinking about their height absolutely

but also like what if you're really tall and what if you're a tall woman and you want to date a guy who is at least your height i was just about to say that i have a friend who's six foot and she was having the hardest time dating and now she's dating a dude that's like six three i'd rather just have a filter yeah right and if that's a preference it's a preference like who fucking cares well what if there was like a weight preference i'd see that's that's dude's argument and it's like you know i just i don't feel it's tricky i don't think that i don't think that men are good at gauging like how much someone weighs. No, I think you can look at someone and you assume how much they weigh. Absolutely. Yeah. No, they don't. Everyone carries weight differently. Yeah.

And it looks different on everybody. And I don't know. Yeah. It is a little, um, it is a kind of a weird little gray area because y'all are judging women based on how big you think they are anyway. So like, we can't tell how tall you are in pictures. So it's like women are being open about, you know, like, this is me, this is what I look like. But then you're showing up you know 4 11 on a date and like you put what if there's a hair filter you can't be bald a hairline filter how far is your hairline from your eyebrows i think dudes would lie about that as much as they do about their height i went on a date with a guy who his profile said he was six foot and i wasn't i wasn't dating based on height yeah you know um i love a short king but his

profile said he was six foot and he showed up and he was shorter than me and i was like what is the play here because like we're gonna find out eventually yeah so what are you doing you know that's a real short six feet yeah am i six feet were you measuring in centimeters yeah right yeah metric or yeah what's the other one imperial are we imperial or imperial yes yeah correct sick um that sounds more british than metric it does you know anyway so yeah that's my thoughts on the height filter i just feel like it it's another thing if people have a type they have a type people are dating based on type anyway i do wonder though what it would be like if they made it a paid filter because like there are some filters like religion and like political affiliation that like

you can filter against on dating apps but you have to pay for it at least they you did when i was on you mean shelter against like you don't want to see anyone that's republican you could like set it for that okay um actually i think that the political one was free the religion one no the religion one was free because i was filtering out christians because i couldn't filter out trump supporters any other way which is i'm not if you're christian please don't yell at me it was the only way for me to get rid of trump supporters yeah um and it worked but i couldn't just filter out trump supporters so it would be interesting to see what would happen if it was a paid feature for height does it filter out just like christians for you or does it also remove them from seeing

you that's what i'm curious about i think both unless they've already they can't see you you can't see them i think unless they're already like in the like you're already in their queue of people to swipe through it would be nice then they wouldn't see you yeah because it's like okay well if i don't want to date you then i don't even like why even waste their time showing them my profile yeah that's a good question i actually don't know but you know i've been off the market for a hot min now you even longer you you dipped right when we started this podcast i know it's weird yeah it's weird that we started this podcast and i immediately got into a relationship yeah but we had a good like five episodes that you were really you were we got single list yeah don't go

back and listen to those they're depressing they're just kidding the quality their audio quality is not good but we were having a good time yeah we had a great time we had a great time we still are having a great time i agree go us um yeah do you have any other thoughts on the height filter no i mean i think it's interesting yeah i think that if you can filter other things like why not also filter this and like you're saying like i don't really think that weight is an accurate filter anyways and if like you have eyes you can see their profile yeah right same with that same with the baldness it's that's i think what the difference is is like the filters are for things you can't see yeah yeah and you can't yeah you can't tell someone's height because

yeah it's just like a picture of them right what if you could filter out like virgos filter out a certain astrology sign yeah that'd be so funny if you were to filter out an astrology sign is there one that you would filter out i don't think so maybe scorpios they kind of scare me i don't really know why though scorpio men are insufferable every scorpio man that i've met has been like a little unsettling like and not in like a creepy way just like in a like they're they have kind of chaotic energy to me it's in a way that they think that they're more interesting than they are and i'll say that with my full chest damn um i'm trying to think if i would filter out anything else i probably would have said gemini's before i started dating frank

honestly because like the past few gemini's the last like 10 dudes i've dated they are well the last like 10 men that i've dated i've been gemini's which is so weird oh that is weird well you're also a gemini so i think that makes sense there are a few there are a few signs where i think if they double up it makes a lot of sense to me and gemini is one of them gemini and Gemini and then Virgo and Virgo oh makes a lot of sense to me um Capricorn and Capricorn interesting what about a Libra and a Libra oh god that sounds like the worst relationship ever yeah that would be that would be a lot of the most I'm saying that as a Libra yeah I think that would suck well Mr. Liz is an Aquarius I love that we're like we're just two air sign relationships

oh yeah i never thought of that yeah mr liz has a scorpio rising whoa a lot of sense interesting well because he has this like um like your rising is kind of like how you come off in the world i guess yeah um people say it's like people's first impression of you which kind of like i do think that sort of that works for me well the way i make the sense make sense of most of it is your your sun sign is your life's purpose and then your rising sign is how you fulfill your life's purpose okay so it's kind of how you show up in your day-to-day life so he has this kind of intensity about him um i think that especially if you don't know him yeah he can come off really intimidating yes um which I just remembered the thing I forgot that I was gonna say uh when when

we were in Bellingham um we went on a walk and we're like holding hands and then his friend took a picture of us which I didn't know and then he sent it to Mr. Liz and then Mr. Liz had his phone up and he's like oh I gotta show you this picture and before I like observed the whole picture I thought he was gonna show me a picture of like an adult holding a child's hand because that's it looked like from the back yeah yeah I was like oh that's us yeah because neither of us really like think that much about our height difference you guys are like a full foot yes different yeah yeah that's crazy I don't know it doesn't like process through my head because I don't know we spend so much time together too that you don't really think about like your height difference

totally and I also do think it's funny like I think it's funny observing when someone is being like intimidated by him because I'm not yeah I don't think I've ever really been that intimidated by him either like maybe a little like nervous because I liked him right but I was never like I mean he's such a goober when you get to know him yeah but he still kind of intimidates me a little bit yeah and I I can understand that when he when he is being intimidating Mr. Liz he has like he changes his voice kind of uh he has like a stranger voice he's like a business voice yeah exactly he has a business voice and when he starts talking in his business voice I'm like yeah knock it off yeah yeah I know you're a dork yeah he when you you disappeared for a sec not

not when you were outside at the party but you disappeared for a sec and I was like where's Liz and he was like bathroom and I was looking at this bathroom and I was like you're no and he was like do you have more than one bathroom like in the most serious voice and I was like it's because you're right i'll go to my room i'll confess this to you i was shitting my brains out which bathroom did you use the one downstairs nice yeah oh yeah it's a new toilet did you enjoy it huh it's a new toilet it was nice yeah yeah cool um the fan didn't work and i was like oh it's fine do you have a bathroom fan down there i don't think so yeah i was like i don't there's no bathroom fan i hope no one comes in here for a few hours that makes sense when he

said do you have more than one toilet i was like oh she's she'd be shitting to lie about it she'd shitting well i was like live texting him i was like i'm about to blow up this bathroom dude the mushroom shits are crazy well i i also had like a little bit of hangover constipation oh my god fuck i had some back potty yeah oh yeah hell yeah we're bringing we're bringing back potty into the vernacular from potty and back potty mr liz texted me earlier today when he was at work and he was like i can't come wait until i'm home so i can back potty it's serious it's it hits different i hate when i have to shit in public strange toilet yeah it came on quick yeah i was like i'm going downstairs for this it's quiet down there too you can really focus

it's nice and cool yeah i was deep breathing it honestly it was the most relief i've ever felt that's the best feeling oh yeah if you had if you had a what's the little handicap yeah yeah the bar the handicap bar i would have been gripping onto it for your life get one of those i find myself needing one often we both get um vasovagal syncope too me and me and frank do you know what that is it's like a really fancy way of saying fainting it's like the it's like a benign kind of fainting you faint on the toilet i i personally will faint on the toilet how many times has that happened uh it'll happen like twice a year but it's not when it happens it sucks but it's not like i don't like wake up on the floor like oh where am i you know it's like you start to like see

your vision kind of closing in and you like have a sec to get to the floor but when me and frank had food poisoning oh no yeah it happened twice to me when i was on the toilet and that is terrifying passing out when you have you can't leave the toilet scary um but anyway vasovagal syncope for anyone that doesn't know is when your heart rate drops and your blood pressure rises at the same time and it makes your body like what's going on it happens almost every time i drink which is why it's like twice a year because i never drink anymore yeah anyway um yeah what were we talking about how did i get to being on the toilet fainting uh i don't know i was talking about oh sign we were talking about astrology oh yeah yeah yeah of course as one

does yeah the astrology sign important stuff to toilet pipe yeah i don't know if i would filter out an entire sign because i don't know you have to see the whole chart everyone's a little redeeming in their own way yeah it's also everyone only like talks about their sun sign it's not just the sun sign that matters true yeah that is true so if that were the case then i would filter out i wish i could combine it i would definitely filter out pisces sun labor moon talk about insufferable oh shit talk about a terrible decision maker okay very emotional every that i know is so they're empaths oh you called out on saturday something i want to say on the podcast that you can't call yourself an empath only other people can call you an empath and i

didn't realize that until saturday yeah that's so if someone else is like oh you're pretty you're you're an empath like i can tell that you're very empathetic towards other people and and their situations but if you are self-describing as an empath super get the fuck out of here yeah millennials really ruined being empathetic because everyone was an empath for a sec i'm an empath yeah i'm an empath so i can tell you're like really sad right now no no and i'm sobbing and i think it's funny that they like co-opted the word to mean like um i really understand my the intensity of my own feelings and why i have them and then they like don't use that information to inform like observing other people and how they might be processing their feelings and information

right you're not you're not applying the empathetic part of being an empath yeah yeah you're self-aware at best yeah yeah at the very best yeah you're maybe a little self-aware people love that anyway um so i also have a topic that'll piss you off oh great you excited about it no uh we talked about it a little bit um so this is the wikipedia page pelvic examinations under anesthesia by medical students without consent pelvic exams under anesthesia by medical students without explicit consent may be occasionally performed to teach medical students how to conduct pelvic pelvic exams they are typically done during gynecological surgeries but not exclusively i'm going to pause really quick before i continue reading this so essentially like you

could be getting any surgery under anesthesia and in certain states they can have medical students come in and just give you a pelvic exam it's so fucking i don't which is assault that's assault you can't just like take my pants off and do something to my body without getting prior consent to do that i yeah i don't understand and i i feel like they must do that because they know that they won't be able to get consent to do it like if they were giving me paperwork before a surgery and like one of the things in there was like can a can a medical student come in and like like fist you while you're out like i would say no like who would say yes i mean maybe some people would but probably not a lot of people would so they just

go ahead and do it anyway yeah that's so fucked up in 2024 the united states federal department of health and human services banned hospitals from performing non-consensual breast pelvic prostate and rectal exams for educational and training purposes by medical students nurse practitioners or physician assistants hospitals that do not obtain explicit consent may be ineligible to participate in medicare and medicaid programs and may be subject to fines and investigations for violating patient privacy laws i believe okay the practice was first banned by california in 2003 followed by illinois virginia oregon hawaii iowa utah and maryland in subsequent years by 2019 it was still legal in 40 42 states though some individual medical schools such as

harvard had implemented bans by 2023 more than 20 states had enacted bans on such exams first-year medical students find examinations more morally problematic than those who have completed clinical clerkships in obstetrics and gynecology an example of a phenomenon known as ethical erosion oh so first-year medical students are like the fuck yeah i don't want to do that and then people who have already like been doing it for a while are like it's not a big deal yeah fuck they i mean it's like these programs are kind of designed to wear you down ethical erosion i think is a great band name term a study done in 2003 found that 90 of pennsylvania medical students had done pelvic exams on in anesthetized that's a fun word patients during their gynecology

rotation one medical student described performing them for three weeks four to five times a day that's insane that's an unnecessary amount yeah that's like anytime someone's under anesthesia yeah get on in there bill for three weeks four to five times a day i was asked to and did perform pelvic examinations on anesthesia anesthetized women without specific consent solely for the purpose of my education a 2022 study of six american medical schools found that 84 percent of medical students that have performed public exams under anesthesia, 67 percent stated that they never or rarely witnessed explicit consent being obtained for a student to perform the public exam under anesthesia. Right, of course not. It is possible that such consent had been obtained when

the clinician provided a discussion of the type of procedures to be performed along with a discussion of the risk benefits and alternatives to the procedures. Students have described the pressure to do the examinations from their superiors. They've reported that they believed they did not have the personal autonomy to object to performing pelvic EUAs that they believed were unconsented what like why though were they doing other exams too when these people were asleep like why no why pelvic like I don't understand I think it's just that this is how the medical I mean not to point the finger at like every person who works in the medical medical community but I think as a whole this is how people view women's bodies especially when it comes to like a medical

situation yeah they don't yeah it's like women's health care is never no one has ever really given a fuck about it yeah as a whole a recently published study by the hasting center a bioethics research institute estimate that as many three points as many 3.6 million u.s women and men have received an intimate exam without their consent within the past five years jesus christ it is unethical and unacceptable to do something to any patient's body without their consent said laurie bruce associate director of interdisciplinary centric for bioethics at yale university i mean the fact that these medical students are like uh we don't want to do that but then it's like okay then you can't be a fucking doctor yeah like to threaten them with not being able to have a job

simply because they don't want to consent to violating someone else's body without their consent yeah it really is it doesn't it's just insane that this is like a practice at like the administrative level it's still happening yeah alexandra fountain a fourth year ohio university medical student said it is still the way medical students learn to perform pelvic exams this is very common practice she said it happens a lot unfortunately on her first day of rotations as a third-year medical student, when Fontaine was in the middle of an operating room of a Columbus hospital, the senior resident looked at me and said, hey, now's a good time to practice your pelvic exam, she said. I thought, oh my gosh, is this happening, she said. I knew it was wrong. I

almost panicked. When asked if the patient required a pelvic exam, Fontaine said, not to my knowledge, she did not. When she talked to other medical students, she realized her experience was not unique she said they were also instructed to practice pelvic exams on unconscious patients without their permission they feel like they're traitors to women she said advocacy by medical students bioethicists and legal scholars has led to a wave of bills banning medical students from performing pelvic exams without explicit consent it says um as of late 2022 which is three years ago so hopefully it's more now 20 states have laws regulating pelvic exams on anesthetized or unconscious patients requiring consent these states include arizona arkansas california

connecticut delaware florida hawaii illinois iowa and louisiana additionally several other states have proposed or are considering similar regulations for instance washington state has a law prohibiting pelvic exams on unconscious or anesthetized patients without consent with exceptions for sexual assault cases and when evidence would be lost that's it that's interesting yeah i guess that that makes sense i think you could probably deduce that states that don't have explicit laws prohibiting it that while it may be in like a legal gray area and it is probably pretty risky but i mean even in these articles they're saying it's common practice yeah for medical students right well it says by 2019 which is again you know now six years ago it was still

legal in 42 states and does it list the states no I think it's really interesting how difficult it was for Amelia and I to find like a list that explicitly named the states well this conversation reminded me that I saw a video that I want you to watch if you don't mind yeah it's not long but it is interesting because it highlights the importance of keeping yourself and other people safe in ways that like you wouldn't ever think of you know um so this video is from uh the creator is called your skin therapist you are like the letters you are skin therapist oh i've seen this dude yeah okay so i'll describe the video um a man comes in and asks um if this clinic or whatever um if they do die sport which is like it's like botox it's a neurotoxin um and then they're like

yeah we provide that and then he asks if uh he could like buy his girlfriend or something a gift card for that and um he starts trying to like get this person's like information yeah the the his quote-unquote girlfriend yeah he was like she comes here right and like they clocked him right away like both of them are like we can't tell you if someone is a patient here right it's a HIPAA violation but also even if it wasn't like they that was so quick and the fact that he comes in and is talking like asking them like you could have called yeah first of all but right and then he tried like when they're giving him nothing they're like oh we can't give you that information we can't provide that information to you and they're like you can buy her a gift card

they're giving him a bunch of perfectly reasonable alternative solutions yeah and he keeps trying to to like give them a different story or like make them feel bad for him yeah and then he starts crying and their eyes are so fucking funny while he's crying they're like trying sore not to laugh and he's just like we've been on bad terms like like she just she wouldn't be expecting an email from me so like I can't email her the gift card and they were like no the email would come from us but he would not take that as an answer and I was reading the comments and somebody in there was like just so y'all know like there was a case where a man like went to his wife's doctor's office and was like oh she can't make the appointment today can you like can we reschedule

for tomorrow or something and they rescheduled and he waited there for her um to like I guess they called her and they're like oh your appointment's been rescheduled and she just like was like okay whatever I'll just go tomorrow and she showed up and he killed her he was waiting for her there and so now I don't know if it's because of that but like there are strict laws in place of like you can't tell people where like if somebody goes to this clinic or this doctor's office or whatever whatever like stalkers will get creative it's so it's so scary it's like it's shit that you would never think of like oh you know where i get botox like who gives a fuck but it does matter like yeah it's really it's really scary and i i i want to know why he was asking that but

it was clearly a nefarious purpose yeah and they knew right away like right i mean they knew to start filming when he walked in so they probably got a bad vibe from him what weird shit are you asking me now yeah uh so scary anyway well keep yourself safe super fun note for us to end on and there's a seagull outside that's wanting wanting to make itself known let him in yeah why not we have we need grandpa's not here we need another co-host yeah yeah it'll be seagull um all right would you like to sing us out sure cool we love you Thank you. Move aside, Mariah.