The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler - 348: Paul Rodriguez Jr. - 20 Years of P-Rod's Nike SB Legacy

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

SPONSORS: Quince -Keep it classic and cool — with long-lasting staples from Quince. Go to https://www.Quince.com/HONEYDEW My HoneyDew this week is legendary professional skateboarder Paul Rodriguez Jr! Paul joins me to Highlight the Lowlights of his skateboarding career! We talk about what it was like for Paul growing up with a famous dad before skating entered his life at 12. Paul shares how he negotiated a sponsorship with Nike into his signature shoe twenty years ago, which is being re released now! Plus we dive into some of Paul’s worst skating injuries, and the mental hurdle of getting back on the board after being hurt. SUBSCRIBE TO MY YOUTUBE and watch full episodes of The Dew every toozdee! https://youtube.com/@rsickler SUBSCRIBE TO MY PATREON - The HoneyDew with Y’all, where I Highlight the Lowlights with Y’all! Get audio and video of The HoneyDew a day early, ad-free at no additional cost! It’s only $5/month! AND we just added a second tier. For a total of $8/month, you get everything from the first tier, PLUS The Wayback a day early, ad-free AND censor free AND extra bonus content you won't see anywhere else! http://patreon.com/RyanSickler What’s your story?? Submit at [e-mail] Get Your HoneyDew Gear Today! https://shop.ryansickler.com/ Ringtones Are Available Now! https://www.apple.com/itunes/ http://ryansickler.com/ https://thehoneydewpodcast.com/ SUBSCRIBE TO THE CRABFEAST PODCAST https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-crabfeast-with-ryan-sickler-and-jay-larson/id1452403187

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And I promise you, you're in like that. All right. That's the biz. You know what we do here. We highlight the low lights. I always say that these are the stories behind the storytellers. I'm very excited to have this guest on here. Ladies and gentlemen, first time on the honeydew, Paul Rodriguez, Jr. Welcome to the Honeydard. Hello, hello. Thank you for the applause. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I'm hyped to be here. Well, before we get into your story, please promote everything and anything you would like. Oh, okay. So, Parregas, I'm professional skateboarder. Am I looking here here? Right. Okay.

That's you. That's us. Okay. Paul Rodriguez, professional skateboarder. Some of you might know me as Pete. Rod recently in May. I just re-released my first ever signature shoe with Nike SB for the 20-year anniversary. So that is out in stores now and we'll be dropping a new colorway September, October. So I'm really excited about that. I can't believe 20 years has already gone by. And also I have my lovely brand primitive. We make skateboards and apparel. Any of your local skate shops will have it. zoomies tillies uh come check us out i think that's all i got right now dude all first of all before we get into this i know i told you we're going to talk about that like you got a nike shoe yeah man at how old were you 20 years so how old were you when you got a 20 i was 20 when it

when it when it came out i signed with nike at 19 i mean that's jordan level shit legitimately jordan level shit you know what i mean what is that can we talk about that for a second yeah yeah yeah absolutely Nike shoe deal at 20 and now they're bringing it back like they don't bring it back if it doesn't do well you know what i mean it's like the the more i think about it literally blows my mind i i wake up and i just thank god every day because like first of all in skateboarding nike wasn't even a brand that's a good point it was fans and even airwalk i remember i skated for another brand that was like my nike to me it was called s some people might know it as yes and i was skating for that brand at that time and that was my

dream and you know skateboarding world was really small and I thought I was doing it the biggest possible and I didn't even think Nike was ever a thing to aspire for what were you skating in to start not not when I first started my first pair of like air walks bands yeah what most people yeah your typical ones etnese um so how does Nike come into the picture then one day I'm just literally sleeping in um you know 18 19 19 years old I'm staying up all night skating and I'll sleep until 12, 1 in the afternoon. This is the worst story for people's parents right now. Like, I can't live.

I know, I know. But that's the facts. Yeah, let's hear. My friend, he was my roommate at the time. And he worked at the local skate shop that we were all sponsored by. And a guy, a rep from Nike, a sales rep from Nike, came in and knew that we were close friends and asked him about me. Like, hey, this guy's Sandy Bodecker. He's a big wig over at Nike.

He's in charge of running up the skate program. at Nike. And were they just starting that skate program? It was like a year or two in, but they were really like trying to make a big run because the skate community is really protective and we're like, nah, you know, this corporate brands, you know, fuck that. You can't come in our world. So they were very protective and they did it very stealthly.

But then they got a little momentum and they're like, all right, now we need our big guy. And at this time, I was like really hitting my stride, really on the scene. And so long story short, my friend calls me. wakes me up. He's like, hey, what are you doing? I was like, in bed. He's like, well, can you come down to the shop? I got, I got Robbie here from Nike. He's a sales rep, and he wants to talk to you. I think Nike's interested in doing something with you. And I was like, okay, cool. I'll come down. And at this time, I'm like skating samples of my signature shoe with this other brand. And I'm thinking I already hit the top of the top in the industry. And next thing

you know, they flew me out to Portland. I'm in Beaverton, Oregon at the Nike campus, like something like I've never seen like the companies I wrote for at that time you know you go to their offices they have a warehouse and back they give you some product like we go there it's a campus it's literally like UCLA but I know people have they said there's a full on like football stadium football field soccer field uh you know uh golf um freaking driving range uh a whole lake restaurants cafeteria they have their own fire department you know like it's it's it's it's literally really like if you went to UCLA. Every building, that's a different athlete's name.

You got the Jerry Rice building, the Michael Jordan building, Tiger Woods, Serena. Everybody like, they have their own buildings. It's a little city. It's like Westwood right here. I wouldn't say even little. Okay, fair enough, yeah. They probably have, you know, I would guess 20,000 people on campus at any given time. Damn.

Employees, that could even be low. Maybe I don't actually even know. It's huge. Yeah. So they take me there. They give me the whole tour. They take me to Sandy Bodecker's office. I'm sitting in his office and boom, they give me this spiel.

Long story short, they tell me they want me to ride for Nike. And the reason why this shoe for me, obviously having a signature shoe, especially with somebody like Nike and 20 years later, obviously it's going to be special. But the reason why it really hits for me is because at 19, when I first signed with them, I was naive enough and ball. Alsy enough to deny them because I wanted to ride for Nike, but my manager called me after we went, came back home from the trip, tell me all the, you know, the specifics of the deal. And I'm like, wow, this is crazy. You know, I'm 19. These numbers you're telling me. I'm like, this is insane. And, but then they're like, I was like, wait a minute, but are they going to give me a signature shoe? She's like, no, they're not doing signature shoes for skateboarders. oh so they were just wanting to sponsor you wear our clothes wear our gear yeah oh okay and uh you know as a skateboarder your dream is complete when you have your signature board and signature shoe you think i don't want a fucking shoe i have no reason to have a shoe and i want to right right but like that's that's the actual dream is like you're not official until you have the shoe and the board and um i was already skating samples of the from the other company i was with with my name on it shoes with my name on it. So she was like, yeah, they're not planning on doing signature shoes with skaters. And I was like, dang it.

I was like, everything else sounds great, but like I have to have a signature shoe. I'm already skating my shoe and tell them, thank you very much. But if they're now doing signature shoes, then I just, I can't do it. And she went back to them, told them. And long story short, she came back to me and said, they said, all right, they'll do it. And I was like, really? And that was it. That, like, there was nothing else to think about.

You got the shoe and the board. Yeah. So I was already pro with a board at that time. And then they came back and said, all right, I guess we'll do it. It showed that that's how interested they were in me. And I'm just grateful that that kid at that time had the vision clear enough and stuck to his guns strong enough to potentially walk away from that. I can't even imagine if they were just like, all right, well, sorry, it didn't work out. Like, I, we're just not going to do that. I can't imagine what my career life would have been. I don't want to imagine too hard. But so that's why this is special to me because that right there, that decision, here we are 20 years later. I've had 10 signature shoes as well over those 20 years.

But now going back to the one. And this is also the first ever retro shoe that Nike has ever done for skateboarding as well. like for so many reasons it's really special to me and I look back on that story and I can't believe um how it's unfolded dude that's fucking great good for you thank you um can we jump back to the very beginning yeah so obviously you're the son of a famous comedian me being a comedian I loved your father I know you might be sick of hearing it no no maybe you're not but you know loved your father I said I said I was a big fan of DC cab all the shit your dad is he was fucking great. And I want to know, like, coming up as the son of a famous person, you just

get pushed into the spotlight already. So you're young, you're around all the celebrity stuff, and you're trying to carve out your own path. Are you ever encouraged to go into entertainment? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was for sure. You know, when I was a little kid, if I do say so myself, I was cute. I was real cute little kid. I appreciate it. And my dad, My mom were just like, we got to get this kid in commercials and acting and whatever. So I remember very young. I had an agent, which is my dad's agent, and they would send me out on auditions all the time after school. I grew up in the valley, and all the auditions are on this side of the hill.

So every day after school, like traffic rush hour time, I had to get in the car, my mom, go to these auditions. And I hated it. I hated it so bad. And I really wasn't that interested in it. But like, you know, are you telling them that? Are you just sort of swallowing it at this point? Early on, at first I was excited about the idea, but after realizing that we got to go to these auditions every single day all the time. And like, I was a really shy kid too.

And you go in there every, in an audition, especially with kids, all these little kids are all bubbly and corny and like, hey, how you doing? I'm not, I'm just like, you know, like, hi, I'm Paul, you know, so just like I didn't have that outgoing personality immediately. Like, I get outgoing once I warm up with somebody. Sure. But from the start, I'm, like, still feeling things out. So it was hard for me to really stand out in auditions. And after a while, I was just like, I just want to, after school, I just want to go play with my friends.

I want to go out, ride my bike. Like, I'm an active kid. I was a physical kid. I wanted to play baseball. I want to, you know, do sports. And so finally, after a while, I just started throwing little temper tantrums and, like, I don't want to go. I'm almost like, come on, we got to go, this audition.

You're agent, you know, dude all this work. book this audition for you and then finally i just went to one audition i just stood there on hi i'm paul 10 uh and like the the casting person was like you know if you don't want to be here you shouldn't be here i was like i don't she's like well don't waste everybody's time that's not polite i was like fuck off lady i was like cool yeah like i'm doing this like you drove that yeah yeah like it's like what are you talking about lady you're wasting my time you know real like i could be riding my bike right now bitch yeah like i'll be at karate class i can do whatever at that at that time so that that faded out pretty quickly uh early on but i did like the idea of it

because as a kid i would go you know my dad used to have this um series that he was on called hardball where he was like a detective him and this other white guy were a detective group and they would you know chase down bad guys whatever like late 80s early 90s and i remember and i remember I remember going on set and being so fascinated by the movie sets and like seeing them shoot scenes. And I like the idea of being on a set and doing the work. But like the process to get there was like just not where I was at at seven, eight years old, whatever it was. So that bug didn't hit me until later on. When does skating come into your life then?

Skating came into my life just before I turned 12. So around holiday time, 1996, I was in seventh grade. I went to a new school that year. Before that, I went to the same school my whole life. It was a private school from preschool all the way to sixth grade. I grew up with all the same kids. I knew everybody. I was comfortable.

And my dad, you know, he grew up in Compton. And he knew that, you know, he was giving me a privileged life that he didn't have. And he was just like telling my mom, like, he needs to go to public school. I can't, I don't want him to be just so soft. We got to put them in public school. The kids got to, like, toughen up. And so they put me in public school. Because you're crying at all dishes.

Yeah, I'm just like, I wasn't crying because I was scared. I was crying. I want to go outside and rough around. Yeah, like, I just sat at school all day, hating my life. And now I'm going to sit in the car. A bumper to bumper traffic to go do a 60-second audition. Body-rate. My mom's bumping Bonnie Ray, and I'm just like, I got to sit, you know.

That's what you're. getting fired up. Yeah. So, yeah. So that, like, that'll make anybody cry. I'll cry now. I love it. It's real for you, bro.

You remember the music. It's vivid, yeah. It's vivid. You know what I'm saying? Oh. Okay. So anyways, I got, I go to this junior high. Again, I'm shy kid.

and at 11 years old I look like I'm 8 years old and I go to this new school and I'm like I have a little ponytail too because I was super into rock and roll music I love the movie The Crow and I want to look like Brandon Lee so I had my little ponytail I played guitar I was taking guitar lessons I wanted to be a rock star at that time and Jimmy was my favorite guitarist and so I go to this school I'm kind of like you know like I wouldn't say emo but I was in that like like kind of like kind of like quiet rocker kind of grunge type of space. And so I would go there and I seen, I would walk to school in the mornings because it was close to my house. And every morning there was this group of kids skating in the parking lot. Every morning they're doing tricks. And I just found myself in the morning standing there before school, the bell would ring. And I'd just be mesmerized.

Like they would just jump and land and flip the board. You know, they weren't that good. But compared to what I knew, they were amazing. and like if a kid flipped the board and landed back on it kept wrong I was just like a little bit by little every day before and after school I'd catch myself watching them and I was just like becoming more and more obsessed with how the hell do you do that and you hadn't skated at all really yet I'd like as a kid I'd ridden bicycles I rode on a skateboard like on my butt down the driveway but never thought about it in that way none of that stuff yeah so I'm just like finding myself like starting myself like starting to obsess about how it's done like if you see a magician do a magic trick and you're just like no no no how did you do that I need to know I need it was like there were magic tricks to me so eventually I worked up a little courage and I walked up to one of the guys and I was like hey um can I try standing on your board and he was like yeah he was riding an Eric Koston girl board and I

try to stand on it you know like push and like see if I can um you know balance and um I felt like I just as soon as I stepped on the board and roll I just like something in my soul just screamed out to me like no no this is it like you were plugged in yeah you stepped on and got plugged in yeah do you still know that guy yeah Dan I was gonna say man how about this kid's like you know Paul Rodriguez junior row I'd be telling everybody he my first board me uh yeah yeah Dan Dan was one of my best friends I mean he's still a great friend of mine but like we're not as tight these days but he was one of my best friends and he followed with me through the whole trajectory of everything he was a cameraman of mine for a long time he was a really good skater

himself um so yeah i still know dan to this day and um that was the moment that was it and so that was close to christmas time and my birthdays uh on december 31st so like everyone was asked me like what do you want for christmas what do you want for your birthday and i was just like can i have some money like i want to go to the skate shop and pick out my own skateboard and so that year i just saved up all the money everybody gave me i went picked out my own board and that was it and i was is dad our dad mom supporting this transition into skating are they still wanting you to um no um mom was super supportive like if i wanted to take karate class you'll sign me up if i wanted to do gymnastics you'll sign me up if i want to play little league she signed me up so it was just another

thing of like, I want a skateboard and I just want to skate. Okay, cool. She's like, she was really good about just like, he's a boy. He wants to just do stuff and be active with his friends. So she was really good about that. And my mom always from a young age would tell me like, you know, you're an old soul. You know, there's something about you, something special. You could do what you.

She always, like, planted it really early, like a certain level of confidence in myself. my dad was just in the height of his career i i didn't see him often you know he's always touring or shooting something filming he's just you know he's living his dream and uh so to him it was like i'm 12 years old i'm riding a skateboard it's no different than me playing little league to him he's just like he just being a kid so he didn't it wasn't like supportive or not supportive he was just being a kid um that was until i started telling him like i'm going to be pro i'm going to be pro then he He started not supporting, but he just didn't know about it. And he was skeptical about it, you know, and he was just like, son, like, I get you're having

fun, but like, you should really focus on what you really want to do with your life. You know, you could do some acting. You should do acting. I was like, Dad, I'm not doing that. And then. What's the moment he was like, oh, oh, damn. When I got into the Tony Hawk game. Oh, in the video games.

That's what did it for him? Yeah. You got to be busting your ass for a long time to get in that goddamn. It was a minute. Yeah, yeah. That was like his family seeing him on TV. Exactly. Oh, you really went and did something.

The only time I outwitted a comedian was one time. And it was just my dad telling me, like, son, like, there's no career in this. You can't make money in this. Like, I get you're having fun, but, like, you need to think about what you're doing. And I just was like, dad, like, your parents are straight out of Mexico. you're a son of migrant farm workers you grew up in Compton you're a clowns you guys are broke and you're a stand-up comedian what did your parents say to you when you told them that's what you wanted to do and he was just like ever since I said that to him he never good discouraged it

ever again okay what can I say what can you say and now being a parent I get it because the last thing you want to see is your kids' dreams getting shattered and seeing them heartbroke. So I understand that because, I mean, for him to be successful in what he was doing from where he came from was like a one and a trillion shot, especially in the 80s, you know, at that time. And him being, him being Mexican and just like. I also think about your dad and Eric Estrada a lot because they were just before that J-Lo, Ricky Martin, Latin boom. Just before that. They're like the old school NFL players that still had to have a job in the offseason. These guys on the sideline are making $10 million now.

They were the first Indians over the hill. And so that was the first. So after that, he chilled out. So you get in the game and he's like, okay. Yeah, put a battery in my back. Like, all right, okay, you're going to see. I'm going to show you. And so then he had this assistant at that time named Morgan, sweetheart, love Morgan, shout out to Morgan.

And she would just keep him up to date on what I was doing. He had no idea what I was doing. Like, I'm just skating. If I was in a magazine, she would like get the magazine, cut out the picture and show him. She would like, oh, did you know your son has a skateboard? Oh, did you know your son's doing this? Oh, cool, cool, cool. And then one day I get a call from him, hey, dad.

Hey, what's up? What's this I hear about you in a video game? I'm like, oh, yeah. He's like, you're on the Tony Hawk video game? I'm like, yeah. So he knew Tony Hawk, though. He knew how big that. He knew what Tony Hawk is. But Morgan told him like, you know, Polly's in a video game. They call me Polly, you know. And he's like, what's this? You're in a video game? I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm in the game now. He's like, how come you didn't tell me? I was like, I don't know. Like, just, I don't know. I just didn't. I don't know. Sorry. It's like, this is crazy. It's incredible. You need to tell me. Like, I'm just like, oh, now you want to know. So when that hit, I can't remember what year that was, but that's when he was like, okay, I think the kid's onto something. So you mentioned parents not wanting to see their kids' dreams shatter. What about bones and shit? I mean, you're in a business that's not easy on the body either.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are some of your worst injuries? Well, I have one major injury, which was on my right knee in 2018. I blew out my right knee. The doctor called it a terrible triad. I'd never heard of it. But I blew it the ACL, ripped both meniscuses, and tore my MCL, which is the ligament on the inside of the knee. And then the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the bone names, fibia, fibula, fibula, whatever, I don't know.

The top half of my knee, I mean, the top half of my leg and the bottom half of my leg, the bone, it was a bone contusion. So I guess whatever happened, it made them basically bruise each other. So long story short, I tore it up all at once. I was trying to half cab flip down a nine stair and I missed my pop and the board went crazy. And I thought like the board was flipping and I lost control of it. And I'm coming down in the air and it's under my feet. And I know that like I need to get away from it because like I was about to fall. Like the way the board was, I felt like I was going to land like the board.

like the board would land like this and then I would land on my ribs and so like I was trying to like avoid that happening which in hindsight I'd rather have a broken rib than whatever happened but so I stuck my right leg out to um like to to like you know it's it happens so fast you're just instinct is trying shit and I tried to just put my right leg out to to halt me from falling all the way down to my body on the board and the momentum of my upper body was going this this way. But my leg was over here. And the way the pressure was just made my knee just go like that. I felt it all in one motion. Just the top part went this way. The bottom part went this way. It just went bapap. And I made some crazy noise that I never heard myself make

ever. And I immediately knew right then. I was like, that's it. I'm fucked. That's it. It's over. So you're thinking on this immediately careers over. not just I fuck my knee up. You think it's over. I thought it was over. I was like, that's it. Like, that was bad. Like, my knees, my leg is, is going to, like, felt like just like a string, you know.

Like, it was just like, just dangling like a marionette or something. And, uh, yeah. So immediately everything flashed before my eyes, like, you know, everything from a kid all the way up into that point. Like everything in my career, everything. I was like, it's just gone like that. It was like such the most. depressing heartbreaking moment and feeling

and then and you hadn't even got the diagnosis yet or anything you're on the ground knowing it was it was bad and uh the worst part is this fucking guy and his son it was like this this park that we were at

and we were skating these benches to a set of stairs that were like right next to where a basketball court was this dad and his kid were just shooting around or whatever and they happened to just be leaving and walking to their car and they were parked kind of near where the landing was and I'm just there like having the worst moment of my life as far as I'm concerned my life is over oh hey uh the dad's like oh hey what's going on there you got you got a boo-boo what happened there huh yeah like this has dangerous stuff you should be careful like thanks like just like oh my gosh it was like you know like just like just like just

The worst timing, bro. Like, pick me while I'm down. It was shitty. So that's what I remember about that. And then that was like long story short, two full years until I was able to like skate again properly. Properly. Confidence. Yeah. Why drop a fortune on basics when you don't have to? Quince has the good stuff. High quality fabrics, classic fits and lightweight layers for warm weather, all at prices that make sense. Quince has. closet staples you want to wear over and over like cozy cotton and cashmere sweaters, breathable flow knit polos, and comfortable lightweight pants that work for both casual weekend hangs and dressed up dinners. The best part, everything with Quince is half the cost of similar brands. By working directly with top artisans and cutting out the middleman, Quince gives you luxury pieces without the markup. And Quince only works with factories that use safe ethical and responsible manufacturing practices in premium fabrics and finishes.

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Quince.com slash honeydew. Now, let's get back to the do. Yeah, talk to me about that mental fucking hurdle. because, man, you got to, not only you got to get back on this thing with wheels, you got to get back to a fucking X-Games gold medal level. Yeah. What's that like? It was at the very first. I had a girlfriend at the time, and I remember, like, going home, I'm riding home in the car.

I had to leave my car there because I drove, and it was my right leg, so I couldn't even use the gas pedal. So I left my car there and rode home with the cameraman, and my leg is just sweat. swelling and throbbing. It was on a Sunday, too. So, like, my, my physical therapist, my trainer, I called him, but, like, there wasn't much he could do until Monday. He was like, don't go to the ER, do anything like that. Like, they're just going to treat you like a normal person.

You need to go to, like, a sports specific somebody, you know? So I was like, okay, okay. So he's just like, go home, put it up and put ice on it. And just tomorrow morning, I'll get you an appointment. So I'm throbbing. I'm on the way home. And I'm just like, just everything's going through my mind. I get home, I tell my girlfriend, listen, just give me 24 hours.

I'm going to feel very sorry for myself. I'm going to be very emotional. Just give me 24 hours to just sulk in my sadness. But after that, no more. Don't let me. So I freaking, she went and got me a six pack of beer and I ordered my favorite Thai food and I just drank the whole six pack and ate stuff my face while I'm laying there in bed watching TV. my leg elevated iced and uh and i'm fucking just like it's it's dawning on me like this is it

like what if they tell because i don't know what the diagnosis is going to be but i know it's bad i'm like what if they just like say like you're never going to be the same you can never come back like i'm just like fighting off tears and then that night when i'm sleeping i had to go to the bathroom i drank a six pack of beer and i had to pee so bad I wake in the middle night and I, and I forget, you know, like, you just wake up and go and, like, go to Stanley. Oh, shit. And then I realize and I like, and then I realized I had to fucking crawl. And I'm like, I'm on the ground and I'm crawling to the bathroom and I'm crying.

I'm crying. I'm like, just, what is this? You know, like, I'm just like, what is like? I can't believe this, you know? And I finally get to the toilet. I get myself up there. I'm sitting down. I'm peeing sitting down.

I'm just like, I'm just, this is the way. I'm just literally gushing tears, crying like a baby. Sitting and peeing and pain. And then crying my way back, crawling back into bed and get back in bed and just like whimpered all night. And then, you know, after I went, got an x-ray the next morning, went to the physical therapist. Dr. Eddie, shout to Dr. Eddie. I love him. He's been with me forever.

So he got me appointment to go get an x-ray. Immediately I went from the x-ray to his office. They gave you a little CD of the x-ray or the cat scan or whatever MRI. And I take it to him and he's like sitting at his computer and I'm in the gym where I work out every day. You know, and to get my mind off it, I'm just like like just like sitting in a chair like lifting weights. Just like, well, if I'm going to be hurt, I'm still. gonna work out i don't want my body to go to shit i'm gonna be ready when my my leg is ready you know and he comes out he's like let's go over here into this office i go and i can see it in his face

oh man i can even cry now and um he sits there i sit down and he was just like so it's not good and he starts explaining me everything and then it was all a sudden like um like uh uh and charlie brown wow won't even the adults start talking and he was talking and he was talking and he Immediately I had a cold sweat and I felt like I was going to throw up and I was just say he was talking and I'm like getting dizzy. I thought I was going to faint and I was like you got a trash can and he pull over the trash can and I just fucking throw up. I can't like my body physically can't accept the information and I just again I go I start crying. I'm like what what does this mean like you know and so he explains like yeah you know you can probably need surgery or you. You're definitely going to need surgery.

I got the, you know, best doctors we can refer to you, Curlin Job, Dr. Fetopoulos, they do all the high-end athletes, the Rams, the Dodgers, all these guys, you know. So, like, they do this. It's good. Like, they got you taken care of. I was like, okay. I was going to get the guy that did RG3's knee. Yeah, that's what we need, you know?

And so that, you know, throws me for a whirlwind. So that night again, I'm like, you know, tell me, okay. But does he say the way? words you're never going to be able to skate again no never he's not saying that he doesn't say that he just saying like this shit he said he said he's going to be a while he said yeah it's going to be tough surgery and i was just like i like how long does the acl surgery you know take he's typically you know eight nine months typically you know but you have you know don't forget you have the mccal tear and the meniscus tear so we have to see what the specialist says about

that and blah blah he's telling me eight nine months i was like all right i'm doing it six doing it six in my mind i'm just like and i'm assuming also that eight to nine months is for just a regular joe to get back to life not a pro athlete right and and just that's just the ACL tear with everything else being intact right you got all the other shit going on so i'm just like bruise in there too yeah yeah so in my mind i'm just like that's it like okay cool six months no problem i'm in the gym every day we got this getting surgery in three days i'm go to the doctor he's going to schedule me for surgery i'm ready so i'm like like gassing myself up until I get the doctor appointment a couple days later.

So the whole time I'm just like, oh, I got this eight, nine months, six months. I'm fine. I'll be back to it, killing it. Because I have tons of friends who've blown their knees out, you know. But I don't recall having any other friends blow it as severe as I have. Maybe one guy, Danny Way, but he's just like a bionic man. He's blown everything in his body out. But outside of him, I've known a lot of friends who've hurt their knees.

and it's kind of like a 50-50 draw. Some of them, mentally, they never come back. They're shook. Some of them, like, you know, even though the doctor tell you it's stronger than before, like they can't mentally get back to it. And then some of them come back and you're like, oh, all good. Listen, I've been to the top of that fucking X games ramp and look down. I'm like, fuck.

Yeah, for sure. And so I just was determined to be a guy who mentally will come back. And so I go to the doctors. appointment a few days later and i'm expecting him to schedule me like that week and he's like all right so um you know your mcel it's tour but it's hanging on by a little thread it's still it's still hanging on it's not completely severed and he's like but the good thing about the inside of your leg is it gets good blood flow so i think the mcel can heal on its own i was like all right cool he's like okay so i want to see you in three weeks uh and then we'll reassess i'll mean three weeks

like what about surgery he's like no I can't do surgery until the MCL's healed I'm like what I'm like can we just go in there and snip it and pop and fix it then and he was like he was like he was like I'd really like this thing and heal naturally that'd be the best way I'm like so like again I start getting sweaty and I'm like three fucking weeks what so he and he tells me for three week he gives me this brace that locks my leg he's like you cannot bend your knee at all for the whole time he's like I want this this it's like I want this it's like like um he's like the ligament if you bend it it's going to be loose you have to keep it straight so that when it when it as it's healing it heals tight it's taught you know so that if you bend it's

it's going to be stringy and um i was like fuck so three weeks i have i'm sleeping with this brace on i'm like putting a bag over my leg to try to shower crawl into the fucking toilet every day you know and it's just uh it's just weird like if i have to do anything i'm ubering everywhere um it was just inconvenient and so i go back i see him in three weeks he's like it's uh i think it's starting to heal a little bit you know they had me go do another MRI he's looking at he's starting to heal a little bit um let me see in another three weeks long story short it took four months until he finally scheduled me for surgery so four months and are you locked leg locked that whole time not the whole time so after i want to say after the second one so maybe like

six weeks of being locked he was like okay it's it's it's um healed enough where like you can like put a little bend into the brace so i still have the brace on but like i'm like you know able to like kind of walk on it which was a little better and then maybe a month after that i was able to bend it even further by the time i get to a surgery i had been working with a physical therapist and training five days a week i was like well i can't skate um so my job is now just to be a gym rat. So I worked, I would work with Dr. Eddie on my upper body to keep my core right, everything good, strong, my left leg going. And then right after him, I would have a point with the physical therapist. And then he would work on my right leg, just all the physical therapy stuff. But by the time I get to surgery, my muscle atrophy is built back up. So my, my quad is starting to build back up. My muscle looks good. And I'm like, I'm going to eat this surgery up. I'm going to, I'm coming back. Like, I was so excited. So go to surgery, I do it, and then it's like all over again. It starts all over again.

I had to lay in bed for, I forget how long was it, for at least the three weeks. They give you this machine and you have to put your knee in. And this was the opposite. He was like from day one, I want you bending your knee as much as possible. So he puts you in this machine that you have to lay in at least six hours a day. And what all as it does is just move your leg back and forth. The machine does that and you just lay there. Yeah, I would just lay there, and my legs just doing that.

I'm just watching TV, watching movies, whatever, and just all damn day. And every week, he would be like, I wanted to, he would give me a certain amount of degrees every week to make the machine go further and further. And then he would give the physical therapist, like, the goals that he wants for me to reach and the timeline for that. And I just went, I just went back in. But like, by the time, but I couldn't start physical therapy. therapy for that for that first months it was like three three three to six weeks i can't remember exactly till he would even allow me to start physical therapy so that felt like another you know lifetime and uh uh so i did that and of course my leg shrunk all over again yeah so the all that

work i did to build it back up is it looked like like this mic stand and um and so we start working with the physical therapist and I'm just in the gym every single day for four hours a day you know doing my my regular body workout then my physical therapy workout and I'm just going at it going at it going at it six months seven months you know I'm not wearing a brace anymore at that point and I'm like jumping up on boxes I'm doing everything and there's telling me like just don't don't skate and I was just like okay I got to listen got to listen But I was pushing it. Every day, the doc only said do three days of physical therapy a week.

I was just doing Monday through Friday. And long story short, it took from surgery about 13 months until they okayed me just to step on my board just to push around. Yeah, just to push around just to like, so I would go in my backyard every single morning. I have a little half court basketball. And you stayed true to that? You never got on and fucked around early. No, no, no. I was like,

little tick tacks out there. No, I knew I knew I would, I would hate myself if I blew this. All that work. And, you know, at that time when it happened, I was 33, you know. So I was like, bro, I don't have years to waste. So do you feel like, or did you have to, like, not fully learn how to skate again, but I guess you had to learn how to skate again? Yeah.

Yes. No. Tell me mentally, what's the first fucking full-on trick you did? I mean, it had to be an ollie. But mentally, I was skating since the day of the injury. Mentally, I'm visualized. I'm thinking about like, oh, when I get back, here's the tricks I want to work on. Did you go do the nine steps again?

I mean, I've skated many steps since then. I never went back to that same spot. You never conquered the one that took you down? I never went back to that same spot. But I've skated much bigger things since then. So you get on the board the first day and you're just standing there. And are you thinking I'm pushing this? Yeah. I'm pushing because I was in such good shape. I was probably in best shape I've ever been in my life because I'm working out Monday through Friday. It's all I'm doing. And so I feel strong. I feel sturdy. And by this time, it's 13 months later. So my leg is strong too. And so I'm just pushing. You know, I'm doing little manual stuff. They told me don't jump. Don't pop the board. Don't Ollie. Don't do it. Okay. Okay. So I'm like just going back and forth on my basketball court. There's the, you know, the key. And I'm just like manualing across the

key using it as my little manual pad I'm like just doing my balance trying to get balance and like I'm doing this every day for multiple hours a day just all by myself just to like my appropriate receptions coming back and I'm feeling good and then little by little I start introducing little trick here and there but like it took probably another year from there to like be back full on like confident mentally everything yeah so it was it was a long haul man it was a solid two years before like before I was like back physically and mentally but the mental battle was the hardest when they told me after surgery 13 months like I'm looking at it like it's in eternity and I would but then I just told myself look every hero I have in whatever genre

there is has this chapter they have this adversity you can't be the hero without adversity otherwise what's there to be a hero of you don't have any setbacks what the fuck what are we rooting for exactly so up until that point career-wise it was just a smooth road okay and i was very blessed so i don't know if that's better or worse because you go you get so used to everything just working out so smooth that you'd hit this one abrupt big hurdle thankfully mentally i was you know 33 i was a little more mentally mature than if it would have happened at 23 so i think that like i was able to like really buckle down you know i believe in god so a lot of prayer and just a lot of like, nah, bro, Kobe had to go through this.

All my heroes had to go through this. Jordan had to go play minor league baseball. Yeah, Jordan had to. I don't know what was the story going on all that. But he had to, you know, everybody, everybody has to pay their dues. So I was like, dude, this is just your part. You always wanted to be great. You always want to be one of the greats.

Well, this is what the greats go through. I want to, you talked about mental health or excuse me, mental. um strength during that what about growing up like you're balancing you're early on in the spotlight just being there around your dad yeah and then you're going into your own spotlight so how do you deal with that just growing up as a kid like do you did you ever struggle with that did it ever fuck with you or just wish you could be not in the spotlight for a minute no you know i'm very grateful because I think I have just the right amount of fame. Like, like, just the right amount to where, like, occasionally I'll be out somewhere or whatever.

Like, oh, what's up, P.rod. Hey, how you doing? Oh, B. Rod. What's good? Oh, hey, how's it going? Good people, not, they're not coming over and fucking with you. Yeah, like a quick photo or a signature or something. But then, like, most of the time, nobody knows who the hell I am.

Most of the time, you know, I go wherever restaurants, mall. I live my life regularly. Like the dad when you're laying there on the ground. Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he wasn't like, that's B-Rond. Oh, you got a boo-boo-boo-bye? Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Be more careful. So it's like just enough to like give you that little like ego boost on occasion, but not too much to where like you can't live. So that part has been really good. But what was I saying? And also I learned a lot from my dad growing up. You know, he was much in his heyday, he was much more famous than me. And he, everywhere we went, bro.

Everybody wanted a picture of autism. autograph everywhere I hated going to Disneyland with this guy was the worst I didn't think about no like I couldn't get to any rise because people were just constant I'm just sitting there like I'm a little kid I'm pouting like it's like come on like but what I did what I was picking up subconsciously then was that he took his time every time take a photo he was signature talk to everybody everybody like he was like and I would sit there and I'd be so pissed off but like as it started kind of happening to me in my career, that was implanted into me without me knowing that that was going to be my future. So I try to make sure that I do that nowadays. So I learned a lot by observing him in that

situation. So I kind of was like a little bit prepared for it growing up. And how old are you now again? 40. And you're still skate. Talk to me about the challenges of that. I mean, is it still a young man's game yeah for sure you know yeah absolutely you got like guys like you and tony and and bucky you're still you've been doing it a long fucking time there's just a few things like first of all you got to stay relevant like again have that shoe come back that's huge you also got to stay healthy yeah and you got to stay in like not mentally healthy but you guys got to be physically in fucking shape yeah how are you like how much harder is it these days to skate than it was in your 20s and shit.

Like, infinitely harder. Like, I thank God, you know, with the exception of the big knee injury, like, I have been relatively healthy. And, you know, my, at that time, maybe now it's developed, but at that time when they were doing x-rays on me, on my knee and everything, they're like, well, yep, the good news is you don't have any arthritis. I was like, okay, that's a plus. But you, I'm sure you probably always have a broken finger or something going on.

Yeah, my wrist is broken. It's been broken since I was 19. at that time I didn't know. Like there's no skater, I feel like that is like, hey, I don't have any injuries. No, no, no. You're bull riders. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's, that's, those guys are outrageous. Um, it's, it's much harder. I work out five days a week still. I got a trainer, two days of those, two days of the week. And then the other three days I go to this place called F-45, which I love. And then, um, I know F that's, uh, Mark Wahlberg. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, like, I love it. So shout out to Walberg, man.

I love F-45. And then I'm skating at least, I don't know, four, five days a week. You do. Where? I have a warehouse where I built my own private skate park in there. And I'm skating during the week there. And then on the weekends, if I have a good spot in mine, I go out and I street skating and try to film my tricks. Are there any tricks at 40 you can do now or do now that you didn't do?

Yeah. Yeah. Surprisingly, there's a lot of stuff that I can do now that I couldn't do then. And is that because of experience or why? Yeah, experience, just the board control that you develop over the years, certain things develop more. It's just like my endurance and my ability, like, to take impact is much different. And when I fall, it hurts more.

I'll bet, yeah. So, like, there's some tradeoffs. But now I have to be very strategic when I skate. I know that probably around the two-hour mark, I'm going to, my gas tank's just going to go like that. where before it was like five six seven hours a day like i would skate for a couple hours go eat go skate a couple more and go eat like now it's one session and that's it for the if i cool down there ain't no warming back up you know so um and then you get tired and everything and yeah so i yeah exactly so i strategically i like i go into most of my sessions of like okay

like here's what i'm planning to work on today i'm gonna focus on that today so i'm gonna just do a quick warm up and save as much of that energy for what i'm want to focus on that day and get straight to it and utilize all the energy I have for that. So I have to be more methodical and thought out about my sessions, especially street skating. I have to know where I'm going, what I want to try, what I want to do. It's not just like, oh, let's just go out and see what happens because, like, it's most of the time that's counterproductive for me. So that's much harder, but I definitely have more board control than I did maybe, you know, whenever I was in my 20s. Well, also, you've stayed in the public eye, too. And I just know as a comedian, when I started, there was, the internet was brand new for me, you know, so we're just doing spots. And then next thing you know, we got to learn WordPress for a website. And I'm like, what? And then it becomes the my spaces and the Facebooks and the Instagrams and algorithms and podcast and audio and video and sell produce specials and blah, blah, blah. For if you've been doing this as long as you've been doing this, you've had to grow with that industry as well. So how, how.

How are you for the last 20 years staying relevant in not only in the skate world, but in the public eye? Yeah. So, you know, I think because of also having seen my dad growing up, I just like, like for instance, like right now, any opportunity, like this is a probably reaching an audience that probably knows nothing about me. It's at least going to reach some people won't know nothing about me. So like I'm always just like looking to cross promote myself. Like, even growing up before the internet was like prevalent, you know, if a certain magazine wanted to do an article with me and it was not in the skate industry, I'm sure. I'm down. Like, I'm just down to like go out and talk and like just, I guess get publicity, hopefully for good stuff. And so as the internet came along, luckily I have a friend Heath Brinkley. And he was the one first telling me like, there's this thing called Instagram. You got to get on it. I'm just like, I don't care. Like, I don't care. Like, I don't. even use a computer to this day i pretty much strictly use my phone so whatever the phone can do emails i rarely do unless i absolutely have to not a technological guy so he's like dude i'm telling you

you got to do this blah blah so he started my instagram account i was one of the early instagram adopters in the skateboarding and uh he would just be with me everywhere he was my cameraman filmer content guy take a picture post for me i wouldn't even look at it on my own phone he would just have it realize, oh, there's something to this, and it became the thing. Then I'll, oh, let me get on this Instagram, you know, and stories and everything started coming out. But I just realized the value of it because after you get certain amount of followers, I was like, wait, I have more followers than, you know, Thrasher magazine has circulation.

So I was like, if I post a photo of me skating, that's like having a cover of a magazine. I could post one photo a day. I can have seven covers a week. you know that's the way i started thinking about it so like then i just realized that's the way to grow and then you have your audience right there they're right there that especially your diehards they're right there and you can directly communicate with them and so from there is when i it clicked and now you know i have my guy mike who's here with me today he's my cameraman my editor like we do youtube channel together like he films all my youtube edit edits he just started

a twitch channel for me the other day so now we're doing like live stream skate sessions What are you like teaching people how to do shit? No, just like a fly on the wall. Like me and my pro skater friends in my skate park, just skating, watch us, watch our session. And you can just stream live watch. On Twitch, yeah. So like when I was a kid, if I, like anytime I would see a pro skateboarder out in the wild rarely, you know, I would just sit there and watch. I wouldn't, I didn't even want to skate because I just wanted to see like them do their thing.

And so I figured like, you know, I'm sure there's kids out there now who aspire in pro skaters are just. skate enthusiasts who want to see their favorite skaters skate because it's different than like you see a video of your favorite skater skating that's that's an edit that's their successful attempts like now you get to see like you're just seeing the session raw like from the warm up to to the end of it like all the falls all the mistakes all the mistakes than lands that's how skateboarding is well jerry seinfeld has always said that about skating and yeah i saw that on on comedians and he's my favorite watching those guys you guys do the same shit we do we tell the same joke over and over so we get it fucking right till it's dialed

yeah and i would argue that your guys's pain is worse than ours i don't know i'll take humiliation over that motherfucker i've seen i've seen pops come off stage so heartbroken if he felt like he bombed but then if he felt like he knocked out the park you can't get a better feeling than that what point do you stop being paul rodriguez's son and becoming paul rodriguez as junior that's an interesting question um i feel like when i started to get uh stand out on my own was probably probably around that time when i signed a nike like 20-ish because i think you know the the kids who skate and knew me in my world probably weren't too familiar with my dad um because they were my age. Yeah. But what I would find a lot is, like, their parents would know my dad,

you know, like, you know, like, I can't tell you how many people I know or friends or people I've come across and, like, if they mention me to their parents, like, that they're a fan, how many people parents would be like, Paragoras, how do you know about Paragoras? Like, you know what I mean? Like, like, why would you even know? Yeah. And the parents are asking the kids, like, what do you know about Paragriguez? And they're like, what do you mean? And they have to like come to this realization that they're talking about two different people. And so that's kind of cool. I guess we kind of bridge those generations, those gaps.

Did you have the video game before the shoe or after the shoe? Dude, I'm trying to remember. Because I'm wondering, like, that's a big deal for you to get a Nike shoe and your dad's still being like, it's all right. I want to say it was probably like around the same time. I can't remember exactly the timeline. but yeah like um there's three those are the three moments are i remember him like what's this year in a video game he came to the x games one year one of a rare times he came to my contest and i happen to win it yeah and um and then you go crazy yeah and then also does he wear your shoe

yes so also when i got the shoe i was like dad we got our name on a shoe we got a Nike shoe you know like I like you know like it's the same same thing so like yeah I would always keep him laced up in in the shoes and so uh those are the three like things I remember him like really like finally getting it and understanding it yeah yeah and then nowadays it's it's really cool because like I'm older and a lot of my fans are like around my age now too so he runs into a lot of people going to his shows and stuff who are fans of me as well so it's like How old's your dad now? He's 70.

70. Yeah. Yeah. So, um. That's great, man. Yeah. So it's, it's kind of, it's blending nicely now. Yeah, the generations are, yeah, it's pretty cool.

Um, we were talking off, Mike, your Valley guy and I had mentioned I went to Northridge. Uh, how were you in that quake at 94? 94. 94, I was nine years old, the Northridge earthquake. And you're in Northridge during that time? In Northridge. Where? on on 87 47 47 sorry avenue sorry is that what it was s a r i yeah i was living in that house at

the time as the house i grew up in this before i even skated um nine years old i had a bunk bed even though i was the only kid in the house are you on the top or the bottom thank god that night i was on the bottom okay um and i my mom was out of town she was in she's the script supervisor and she was working on a film that was shooting in Vegas so she was there for a few weeks and my great grandmother was staying with me and my uncle Dave who lived with us and then at the time my mom was married which is another insane story I could go into after this but the time my mom was married so her husband was there staying and it was like whatever time in the morning early in the morning and I just all of a sudden just like boom hit the floor

Damn, you fell out. I fell out of my bed. It was pretty low to the ground, the bottom bunk. And I fell out of the bed. And I remember just like not being awake. I remember just like like, like, you know, that weird in between phase of like awake and not awake and not really knowing what's going. I'm like shaking around. And I'm like, I can't like stand up.

I can't get my balance. And somehow I end up like fumbling my way to my bedroom door. And then by this time I'm like waking up and realizing like, what the fuck is happening? we're gonna die like having this panic like we're gonna die oh and then like you know my uh uh the step dad at the time he comes out he like grabs me uncle dave comes out he's helping and um my great grandmother the the frame of the door that she was staying in the room she was staying like tweaked and the door wasn't she couldn't open the door she couldn't get out she can't get out i can't so i can't remember it was uncle dave or the stepdad who like kicked it he's like back up

kicked the door and opened it got her out and then we just rushed outside um and it felt like it was shaking forever i think it was like 45 seconds to a minute long earthquake and it was like it was like gnarly and then uh you know we're all just trying to figure out what the hell's going on all the neighbors everybody's coming outside you hear all kinds of ruckus and nobody knows what to do and uh you know then daylight starts coming and people aren't like there's no power you can't we can't get any information there's no internet there's no phones at that time like we had no idea like what the hell was going on gas lines blown up through the street and everything it was crazy um and um you know everyone's houses is just in disarray like all the dishes in the house

was crazy but all the the brick walls that lying the neighborhood all were knocked over everything was crazy um and um just those those days after those week couple weeks after just freaking aftershock after after shock after shock after after shock and like we were sleeping downstairs in the living room just in case we had to run out um that's when i got here for aftershocks and then there were even still a few of them they were like well that was actually a small earthquake you're like is this whole fucking place just going to snap right yeah and then like you find out later like about like apartment buildings that crumbled and people getting trapped and dying inside I'm staying right across from, because I got accepted to Cal State Northridge.

I'm coming out that morning. My friend's mom wakes me up, puts CNN on. I think I'm dreaming. I'm like, what? The school is destroyed. What? And I tell the story because they toyed around with renaming the gym, the epicenter, which would have been fucking badass.

But there were a few students who died, and they thought that would be insensitive. Yeah, insensitive. So they didn't do it. Yeah. But I lived on Zelza. right across from the parking structure that was snapped in half and literally looked like someone pushed it over like if Godzilla pushed it over the mall broke in half like it was it was mayhem it was mayhem it was mayhem like you know the the police officer riding by himself and the

freaking overpass just falling under him and him just being gone like that's insane um yeah it just it was just like week. It felt like weeks and weeks of just like, like zombie apocalypse. No power, no nothing. I remember finally. I came out here during that. I'm an idiot. That's crazy.

I mean. I mean, what that worked. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. Finally, go ahead. Sorry. No, I was going to wrap up.

I know we got to get you out of here. And I wanted to say thank you for doing this before I let you go. I could talk to you forever. I want advice you'd give to 16. year old P-Rod. That's what I want to know. What are you telling 16-year-old Paul Rodriguez, Jr.? Man, I would almost reverse it.

I would almost want 16-year-old Paul to give 40-year-old Paul the advice. No one's ever done that. I would like 16-year-old Paul to give 40-year-old Paul kicking the ass. Like, first of all, like, stay focused. Stay focused. It's like you're so in love at 16, I was so in love with what I'm doing. And I still am, but like at a certain point, you make it to a certain level, you start buying into your own bullshit. You feel, you get to a little level of entitlement.

You start coasting and not pushing yourself as hard as you can. Like, I would, my 16 year old self would tell me now, like, hey, you need to keep the foot on the gas. Stay focused. Like, you have so much potential. I'm working so hard at this age right now for you for you don't let me down you know what I mean like I trip out on that sometimes like I'm a 40 year old man living off the hard work of a teenager you know what I mean yeah yeah just like just just keep your head on right man don't don't get lost in the party scene don't get sidetracked by girls you seem like you seem like you're very fucking I'm trying to be you seem like you got it together especially being the son of a celebrity and then being one yourself i mean you could be a real piece of shit yeah i mean don't get me wrong i've had my moments i'm bringing my best behavior here to you ryan so don't get me wrong i'm sure there's people out there who uh who who would uh who wouldn't

have the best things to say about me but you know who are we if we don't learn amen um one more time right there promote whatever you'd like please i hope you guys enjoy the episode once again you know um well actually i just started a twitch channel i actually don't know the name of my twitch channel off top of my head but if you google me part regis i'm sure you can find it you know all my social medias at p rod uh is my instagram i have a youtube channel as well um you know like i said my nike shoe just relaunched we have new colorways come out in september october uh and uh you know got primitive skateboards and apparel out there at your finest local skate shop So thank you guys for the love and support, and God bless.

Thank you, man. Really appreciate it. Yeah. As always, Ryan Sickler, on all your social media. We'll talk to you all next week. Thank you.