The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler - 371: Nic Novicki | The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler #371 | Full Episode

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

My HoneyDew this week is comedian Nic Novicki! Check out his latest film Bitter Sweet, and his appearance on the Netflix series Bad Thoughts. Nic joins me this week to Highlight the Lowlight of having pseudoachondroplasia dwarfism, one of the rarest kinds! Born at a normal height and weight, Nic describes what it was like for him and his family to not notice the development of his condition until a few years down the road, and how they navigated something so new before the days of the internet. Plus Nic shares some of the wild encounters he’s experienced with strangers due to his dwarfism.🎟️See me live. All tickets atwww.ryansickler.com/tour🎤Check out my new standup special “Live & Alive” streaming on my YouTube now!youtu.be/PMGWVyM2NJo?si=SrhXjgzR1pe6CyYE👉 Subscribe for more standup and new episodes of The HoneyDew, The Wayback, and more!youtube.com/@rsickler✅ Subscribe to my Patreon “The HoneyDew with Y’all”! Get The HoneyDew audio and video a day early, ad-free, for just $5/month!Want more? Upgrade to the $8/month premium tier and get everything above plus The Wayback a day early, ad-free, censor-free, and exclusive bonus content you won’t find anywhere else!patreon.com/RyanSickler📧What’s your story?? Submit at [e-mail]👕Get Your Merch👕www.bonfire.com/store/ryansickler/🎧 Listen to my Podcasts 🎧The HoneyDew - podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honeydew-with-ryan-sickler/id527446250The Wayback - podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-wayback-with-ryan-sickler/id1721601479Patreon - www.patreon.com/ryansickler📣 Follow Me📣▪ Instagram:   www.instagram.com/ryansickler/▪ TikTok:   www.tiktok.com/@ryan.sickler▪ Facebook:   www.facebook.com/RyanSicklerOfficial🕸️ryansickler.com/🍈thehoneydewpodcast.com/🦀Subscribe to The CrabFeast Podcast🦀podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-crabfeast-with-ryan-sickler-and-jay-larson/id1452403187

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I'm very excited to have this guest on today with me. First time here on the honeydew, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome. Nick Novicki, welcome to the honeydew, Nick. Hey, oh, man. Good to see you, brother. Great to see you. Thank you for doing this. Before we get into your story, please plug everything you'd like.

Yeah. First of all, you can find me at Nick Novicki on all social media. My name is NIC. There's no K, which is frustrating to a lot of people. when they're searching. But Nick No, Vicky. I got a movie coming out, Father's Day, Bitter Sweet. It'll be out on hopefully a bunch of different areas, but in select theaters.

And also very excited to be on bad thoughts. Yeah, brother. That was nice. That was a nice surprise when I saw you at the premiere. And then none of us know what we're doing. So I was like, oh, I can't wait to see what his episode is. So it was an exciting thing. So check that out on Netflix.

Also, see me do comments. comedy, all my dates and everything else coming out at Nick Novicki. All right, brother. So we're going to get right into your story here. And before we started talking, my first question, excuse me, before we started recording to you was, you're 42, you said, and I wanted to know, you know, back then, did they know you were your parents aware you were going to be born a little person? So this is the wild thing.

I have pseudoacondroplasia dorphism. So it is a really rare kind of dorphism. It is also the only kind of dorphism where they have no idea that you're little. So I'm the mystery. I am the mystery. Even after you're born? After you're born? You are born to what they seem statistically is normal.

Statistically, I have two brothers. I was taller and I was heavier than both of my brothers. At birth? At birth? Are your parents, little people? No one in my family. No one. There's no.

I grew up in New Haven, Connecticut. There's not one chromosome from somebody way to hell back there? We don't know anybody. I'm like the only little person that anyone in my family's ever even seen. Seed! I mean, this is not now. We're everywhere in movies and TV. It's like nobody has any, like, what is a little person?

So we're going through different doctor checkups. My mom is bringing me in. At what point? What point do they start worrying like, hey, he's not growing or what? When is that? This is the wild. We're just going in regular checkups. Okay, boom.

This is the height, the weight, normal. height, the weight, normal. All of a sudden, they're doing something. And they're like, he shrank. What do you mean? He shrank. They're trying to do numbers. They're like, how is this possible?

He shrank. Well, my spine started to curve because of my scoliosis. So I'm now literally shorter than I was somewhere around two. So really between like three, you know, two to four is where people find out, sometimes even five, that my kondorphism is pseudoacondroplasia. Do you have any memory of this back then? No. No, no memory of that.

But my parents were like freaking out. They're like, what is going out with them? They were doing all kinds of different tests. They thought I had a kidney problem. Well, then also it turns out that not only you're a little person, but you're this rare version of it. So you got to go back to this and it's like all this. And then you're like, wait, but then there's this other thing too. And this is like before Google.

So you got, you know. Yeah, what I'm saying? You're 42. They have no idea. My parents are just staring out of phone book. Like, what do we do? What is he? You know, they're trying to like figure out things.

There's no internet. My mom is watching the Donahue show, a talk show. Can we pause right there for a second? Shout out to Phil Donahue. Is he still alive? If he's not, I hope you are, Phil Donahue. Phil Donahue is the OG. Donahue.

Whether you're here or whether you up there, PD. He's the OG. And I'm telling you that guy before Montel Williams, all of them, it was Phil Donahue. And you know he used to do the best impression of him, legit rest in peace is Phil Hartman. Phil Hartman used to do him. And he would do the thing where he'd run up into the crowd and he'd put the mic in their face and he dropped his head like this. And he'd stand there with the attitude and shit. Phil Hartman did a great Phil Donahue.

I'm sorry to pause your story. You're watching the legendary Phil Donahue. I'm just thinking of Phil Hartman doing all kinds of stuff. You got the fills, bro. Both Phil. So my parents, though, they're just randomly watching Phil Donahue in the afternoon. A group of little people come on. Because at this point, they're like, you know, maybe it's a kidney problem.

Maybe I'm this. We don't know what's wrong with me. And they just go, maybe he's a little person. So they find out about a special, like, little person doctor. And, you know, my mom just randomly called. This is Johns Hopkins. That's where I'm from. Baltimore, yeah.

That's the, that is the, I know. That's like the place you go. That's why everybody's like, we'll call them. Yeah, exactly. So they call and I go in and they find out I'm a little person. So what sort of test do they do on you? Just blood or, you know? I don't even think so.

I just think that they were able to, like, with x-rays, figure out because I was like, I was sort of like my, my, I was starting to, like, curve in my spine. But they thought, you know, they didn't. know what to think. They didn't know, you know, there's no little people like now where you can watch 53 seasons of little people big world and like, see. You can watch them, you can watch them fuck a bunch of people and everything these days. You want to do all your pot. So, I mean, but at that time, it's, that's it. Maybe it's a kidney problem. This is, you know, it's Gary Coleman. He's kind of little, but he's just about to say the little guy of my generation was Gary Coleman and Webster,

Emmanuel Lewis. Yeah, but they literally thought it was more like kidney. related. That's our local doctor. It was like just there's no little people there. So we go in there and find out that I'm a little person and then it's like, boom, you're in this world. And we go to a little people convention all within like the first six months. And I'm now like going in to like as a little kid, all of a sudden there's 2,000 little people. I meet Billy Barty, who was this famous little person that kind of created Little People of America. He was in Masters of the Universe and Willow, all these movies. When do you find out that what specifically you have and how rare that is?

Yeah. I mean, all in that. All in that time frame. Hey, what'd you have for breakfast? By the way, your son is a little person. It's pseudoacondroplasia. Try to spell that. You know?

And then like we just, you know, come figure it all out. But, you know, so for my parents, I think it was, you know, a surprise. a little bit, you know. And so how do they raise you? Like, how are you brought up? Are they telling you from the get-go, like, listen, man, kids are cruel, elementary school, every, all of it. You know, I mean, I think I grew up in the blessing of growing up on the East Coast,

which you did too. So growing up in Maryland, you know, it's like, right up in New Haven. You're walking around. New Haven is also like, you know. You're not to get a while educated. You know, it's just, you know, so luckily my parents were kind of just like, we're going to treat him the same. So my brothers, you know, would play football together, you know, I just, I would always, like, learn

how to, like, just make sure I wasn't going to, you know, get beat up by my brothers. Kind of be the diplomat, you know. So when I went to school, it was all about that, you know, I was going to learn right away, hey, you're little, you're tall, you know, what's going on? I'm like, well, what's going on with you? What's that shirt, you know, like, just coming back with other things. And, you know, that was what my life. was all the best. My parents were kind of, you know, this is who you are, embrace it. And I think

honestly, that's where comedy came from. Because, you know, as a little kid, it was, it's like a turtle instinct, you know, you're going to walk in and the East Coast, everybody's going to be like, hey, why you look so crazy? He's so tall. I'm like, yeah, I am tall. Look at this. And, you know, you start kind of reverting things like, hey, just like a, you know, a karate, you know, moving a jiu-jitsu. You're going to. roll at me, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, dodge it. What, at what age do you stop growing completely? I mean, as a, see, that's what's so wild about my dwarfism.

I was the same height as everybody else when I was two. Sure. Even when I was in elementary school, I was shorter. Then once I get to like junior high, it starts getting crazy. where everybody is just like, boom, you know, they're just like so much taller than me. You know, so I think that's like a point where things do get a little, they change it a little bit. I have so many questions. Okay.

So luckily at the time when, you know, you're like, hey, let's go through junior high or everybody's feeling crazy. And you're like, what's up, man? Yeah. I mean, you already got so much more going on. Yeah. So let me ask you this as far as just basic humanity goes, percent. of people who had your back versus bullies and stuff, would you say the good far outweighed the bed or 50-50 or the other way?

I mean, I've always kind of, my philosophy has always since I was a little kid. If people are going to say something crazy to me, they want to, hey, I want to meet you now still, you know, always people have like wanted to take pictures with me. I've always kind of even just envisioned it like, hey, man, you know, it's part of the business, you know. even as a little kid where I'm like, this is just me. They don't know who I am.

A lot of times I want to take a picture because I'm little, but I'm kind of looking at it like, hey, yeah, strangers will go up. Bro. Let me take a picture. No. And I'll be like, you know. You're walking through your regular Wednesday day to day

and some person would come up to you. I had, I was just in France up until yesterday. You know, I was at the Comfilm Festival. Yeah, yeah. I had a random French guy come up to me like, in French, I can't speak with anything.

Nothing to do with the film or anything. I need to do with the film, whatever he goes. I need the photo. I need a photo. He said, he's kind of drunk. He's like, and now I'm like, I'm waiting for the second part. He better be drunk. You know me from comedy?

You know me for, we're at a film festival. We know him for some, no, fuck, though. And then I'm like, okay, well, I'm feeling good. And he's like, then he starts doing like a sign. Like, I like little people. I'm like, all right. Now we're in this shot. And I'm just like, but look, for me, I'm like, I'm in my philosophy, you know,

Since I was little, it was always just like, look, I'm not going to let that person get me down. You know what I mean? I got to just roll with it because especially growing up in the East Coast, I also grew up with people that wanted to fight all the time. And they would bring me into fights. Yeah, tell me about fights. All the time. You're growing up in East Coast. I know you're fighting.

Yeah. But the interesting thing with me is I literally as a kid would always, I was strategic. I would make friends, like, as a little kid with, like, the biggest and the toughest, like, the crazy kids. The people are like, we're not going to go to the regular school because we're fighting on the bus, like, from the, and I would, we would bond a lot, you know, just with, like, outsiders or people that were different would always have an attraction and, like, an affiliation with me. And so, you know, growing up, too, like, other minorities, the same thing. There's, like a certain thing, like a hidden code where people just kind of end up being, like, being, like, like, like there's like a hidden bond where people like ended up honestly having my back a lot of times. That's what I'm wondering.

So when there were bullies coming at me like a lot of times I would I wouldn't even really have to say anything. You just hold everybody's beer. You know Steve. Hey man. Have you met Steve? And then he just come in like fourth grade with a tattoo. You know? Yeah. And so there was a little bit of that kind of like I would just be like, you know, again, just kind of be reversed. you know, in that spot. So I never really gotten picked on. In fact, I mean, I think there were times where I was in a position where other neighbors

would ask me to like, hey, this is what's going on. I mean, because not that I would defend them because I couldn't, but they kind of knew that if I was on their side, it would be trouble for that other person if they attacked me because I always had other people that would kind of, you know, defend. fend me because my philosophy was always I'm going to win in this fight. I'm going to come in, you know, if you come at me kind of alpha, I'll come back at you like that. Yeah. And then try to be like, what's up, man?

You know, we're cool. It's all good. But then I knew that, you know, I would just, you know, it's like the people at a nightclub that will- - Steve ain't happy about this shit. I'm good with it, but you got told to Steve. I mean, that's the way that now even you see like modern-day Instagram fights, people will try to go, What you said to me? What'd you say to me like that?

In a crowd because they just feel like it's going to get broke up. Was a little person. Generally, people will always want to get involved unless, you know, you're, you know, I mean, who knows? If you're not good at. Was there ever a time where somebody's like, no, no, no, I want to see it in. And you had to fight? If you ever had to fight? Well, crazily enough, I did just get jumped.

Like recent? Yeah. When? Yeah, it was a couple years ago. I was living in Hollywood. I just moved to Culver City. Fucking Hollywood. Good.

I mean, that's better for sure. I'm riding my bike home late at night. What time? This is, I don't know, one, two in the morning. The fuck are you from where? The store or something? Where are you coming from? I'm doing a show like East Hollywood.

I'm like, I'm an idiot. You know, I'm from the East Coast again. East Hollywood. I'm just like, yeah, exactly. And you're riding all the way into Hollywood? But into my mind, you see, into my mind, it doesn't make sense. I just feel, I've always. kind of dodged my way out of trouble. Just having this like, oh, if I'm friendly and I just kind of

act street smart and I know how to find that Steve, you know, the guy with the tattoo or something else and kind of lock eyes with him. So I'm riding my bike home late at night. And as I'm riding, I just do a show and it's like, you know, it's not like a big show either. You know, it's one of these shows where you're like, I rode my bike there and I did a set. And, you know, it's like a set where you're like, ah, there's like not that big of a crowd. Kind of bike you ride, bro. It's a little bike, but I got custom. Is it like being mixed style or 10 speed style?

I took the speeds off because I bring it around the world with me. Oh, okay. Yeah, because I bring it anywhere I go because it makes me get around faster. Gotcha. So I have the bike kind of, you know, tricked out a little bit. I took the gears off. We had it custom made with the handlebars up like that. So it's like, uh, you're fucking driving home.

I'm riding on. One of the board in Hollywood. Listen, dude, you couldn't pay me to do that. I'm riding on. You couldn't. You'd be like sickler. I'd be like, no. How much?

$2,000? Fuck no. No. And so I'm, now I'm riding home. And I'm going by this, this girl and like this guy. And as I ride by, she goes, oh, look at that midget. And I turn around. I go, it's little person.

and then I can hear the guy he goes, I'm gonna knock that midget off his bike. I go, oh, it's a bad time for lessons. And I get off the bike and I'm like, look, I'm just gonna act hard, you know. You got off. You didn't keep pedaling? Well, I could feel them. Oh, they were that close.

They're right there. You know that, like you could kind of feel like an earthquake is coming or that danger? Like, I could hear steps on Hollywood Boulevard. Like, this guy. I is. And like my philosophy usually of like alpha back, you know, again, all that kind of thing. Just kind of, you know, it wasn't a good idea. So I now get off my bike and he's right here.

And I was like, whoa, man, relax, dude. I'm Nick, man. What's up? He's like, I'm going to punch you in the face. I was like, whoa, man, chill, chill, man. I'm Nick. I'm like, I'm just trying to go home in him. He hit me.

He hit you. But in fairness, he did. just tell me he was about to hit me. He said, I'm afraid of God. I swear to God. So now I'm so mad. The girl, like, you know, she's, like, upset about the whole situation because, you know, she was just trying to be like, oh, cute or whatever. And, like, he's like, you know, it wasn't even that crazy. He gets, so now I'm just mad. And I'm kind of like, I wait until he's far enough away. And I'm just kind of yelling back at And I swear to God this happens.

Homeless guy approaches me. He's a guy He's got like a sign A whole thing. He's like, hey man, I saw what happened, man. He's like, you know, I was going to get involved, you know, but you don't look disabled.

You know, so I didn't. I go, what? Like, what the heck? He's like, what's your disability? I'm like, all right, dude. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out.

This motherfucker of her looked at you and said, What's your disability he did? So now I'm getting on my bike and I'm riding home and I'm like, I'm so pissed. First of all, my wife doesn't want me out riding my bike. No shit. No shit, dude. I got like a, uh, my face is all swall and all I'm thinking about is this homeless guy. Like the whole way back and I'm like, this is crazy.

So that's the only time, honestly, like that I've ever been. Like, have I ever been like 40 years? It took 40 years. Forty years. Growing up in the East Coast, I lived in North Philly. I lived in New York, always like poor. Like when I went from Philly, I was right. I was sleeping in Penn Station back and forth.

I started doing comedy shows when I was in college. So I didn't have enough money. Where were you in college? I went to college in Philly. Yeah. Temple University. You say it like it, college. College.

Yeah. So I went there. Temple you, yeah. I went to Temple, started doing comedy literally the first week of college, which was its own whole. crazy thing. I found out about a comedy show. I brought a little person. We go in to the show. What you brought one? I brought a little person with me. Okay. I just started dating. It's the first week of college. Okay, okay. It's not like a buddy to do a routine or something. No, no, that would be

awesome. I was like, we're tag team wrestlers. We're going to this open mic and take it over. So I bring her, we get seated in the front row. And this is North Philly. Like, you know, in intense. I mean, the club was actually South Philly, but everything at that time, this is early 2000s, Def Jam, you're an open mic, it's all about just let's just get you, you know? So I have no idea. I'm the first time I've ever in a comedy club. And they're like, oh, it's Willow, Willow's wife, all this stuff. And, and I'm just like, you know, she was like mortified, you know, but I was just like, like, I'm going to make a life out of this shit. Yeah, exactly.

It's killing her. I'm a ruin my life. This is my hit right here. So after. What a moment for two different people. People were like, you know, because I was out, you know, he was like, why don't you go and tell your story then? You know, because I was like, you know, all right, I will. And he goes, come back next week. So I did.

And meanwhile, the whole life of me with this little person girl was like, she ended up leaving me for some other guy in my dorm. It was a whole nightmare. So basically, like, I come back the next week. But it was just telling the story about her and just. like, you know, what happened? And I get, you know, she ends up leaving me and all this stuff. But, you know, like comedy, it always, like, it sucks you in. So from that time, I started doing comedy, was like, this is what I want to do.

I was going to school for business. I was like, this is not really what I want. I want comedy. This is awesome. And you're on stage. So I started, like, riding back and forth in New York. I was sleeping Penn Station. I would do random shows in New York, sleep at Penn Station.

go back. I mean, I would be next to homeless people. I got like a random, like, books, a book bag that's like half the size of me with heavy books. I'm like sleeping next to like crackheads, never get jumped, never anything. I grew up in New Haven. I lived in Philly. I would do comedy shows in North Philly where people would throw Heinican bottles at your head, you know? And just the random, I'm 40 years old riding my bike home.

and I get jump Also, you're insulted you turn around and correct it He insults the correction And then jumps you But the funniest thing too It's like I don't

I mean it was a little bit of me being hard But I think I was kind of There was a little bit of me Just being like Just throwing it out there It's a little person You know I wasn't kind of like Hey you idiot

You know You don't know what you're talking about I was just like Little person You know I tried throwing out like that But it was just that wrong time. You know, you get somebody and there was like my whole philosophy of everything else. Like it always working out was like a little, not always.

Okay. So let's talk about this. Yeah. Something I was asking you outside, like, you know, I'm born in 73, man. I grew up in the 80s. Midget was in the vernacular. I said outside, you know, it was like there was midget football, thing like that, midget wrestling.

There was no like retarded football. You know what I mean? Like that was a word that was used to, you know, shit on somebody. Yeah. But midget wasn't meant. And when I was trying to explain to her, I was like, it just means this one means little. Yeah. Little league.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't. And she's like, you can't say that anymore. So then we talked about dwarf. Yeah. And we talked about little person. And I don't know.

Yeah. What is 100% correct today. So, I mean, that's the kind of crazy thing about language in general. It changes. Little person is the correct term. Little People of America's where I met my wife. My wife's a little person. She is.

Okay. And, you know, I'm part of this culture, this community. And little people, I always argue I know a little person everywhere we go. I say that all the time. People are like, no, you don't. I'm in New York with a group of people. I go, I argue I know every little person in the world. And they're like, shut up, Nick.

Stop being like that. Within two minutes, we're walking on Fifth Avenue. A little person walks up, like clockwork goes, what's up, Nick? I go, you see? You see? It's my world. I was like central casting. I could have never like timed this from a conversation to a little person who's also dressed in like a business suit as a briefcase.

It looked like it was like a movie out of like a weird. But little person is like so originally like it was midgets of America. Little people of America was. Oh it was. It was. Midgets of America. Okay. So that was the word that people knew back in the day.

Now the word midget, though, it derives some. the word midge, which is an insect. So it literally was a circus term P.T. Barnum, they would use that to be like, and they actually separated it. So there was midgets, which be midge, which is an insect, it wasn't even a real person, if you were all proportionate. Or you would be like, you're the dwarf if you have, like, more features of dwarfism. So, like, there is a lot of history behind it.

Now, again, a lot of that, too, is, I believe also it's intention. You meet somebody, you know, sometimes people don't know. I'm like, regardless to me, that's just not my world, certainly not now, you know, and really as a kid. I mean, of course, you're a teenager. You're in that weird age. Everything's like hard, you know. But it is what it is, you know. I don't care what somebody calls me.

And then ultimately I don't care if I end up correcting them, though, and saying, look, I'm not amazing. Obviously, you did it. You got jump on fucking Hollywood. I got it. Am I correcting people after midnight now? I'm like, no. What's your Instagram, man? I want to talk to you about this tomorrow morning.

I'm going to follow up with your ass from the safety of my home, God damn. But the funny thing, too, about words and terminology, too, is no one's going to challenge, like, no one's going to challenge me on what I want to be called. If you're confident about it. Fair enough. Yeah. I want to be called the chicken now. You know, I want to be called this. we're going to call them a chicken, whatever. Like, I, you know, I like being called a little person. But if somebody else wants to be called, you know, a dwarf, little, just by their name, a person short stature, I'm kind of like ultimately like let whatever they want to be called be that that they're called.

And one step further about that, too, of like the word, I have a hard time saying the word dwarf. I, the word dwarf, it's dwarf. Yeah, the DW is tough. It's dwarf. Dwarf. Yeah. I have a hard time saying that. So this, I swear to God, this happened.

I did an episode of private practice. It's a show. It's like Graves Anatomy. You know, I got to talk about, you know, dwarfism. So I just say it, and I'm going through the moments, I'm talking about everything. And it's like me as like a father and I want to have my child. We're trying to make sure the child has dwarfism. I just keep saying, look, I'm proud to be a dwarf.

I keep saying Dorf, no one's going to correct me. Listen, bro, that's what I want to say. No one's going to be like, no one's going to. Who's going to correct a little person that he's saying dwarf incorrectly? Nobody did. Nobody. So I go through everything. You could have put a K on the end of that.

Dork. I'm filming it. Everything happens. So then all of a sudden, you know, my agent calls me and goes, all right, Nick, we've got to do some, some ADR lines. Now, ADR is after you, you know, film, sometimes there's sound things and airplanes. comes. So I go in there and they're like, okay, we got to you know, there was a weird glitch

where you said clock and they go, okay, and now 47 times you said Dwarf. Now we got about 30 takes of you saying Dwarf. So we're going to need you to say Dwarf and now they're going okay so I say it, I go Dwarf and they go no, no, no, it's Dwarf.

So I got somebody else standing in in front of trying to tell me how to say Dwarf and we're both saying it together. Dwarf and I just like honestly The way I say it is the way That I say it because no one corrected me Yeah

Oh fuck I would just tell My audio guy just scrub a W in there We're not having him back again God damn And you're gonna you're gonna think I'm lying It happened again What do you mean? I was on another TV show

I swear to God You just can't say it right And again it just I forget because the first time it just happened in a way and like you know sometimes when just things happen you don't even think about it and I'm back doing ADR again

and this time the only thing they want me to say they don't have any other lines where there's an airplane I come in there I'm on the show Trapped Tativa and they go I don't know how to ask you this but

we think you're mispronouncing the word dwarf. And there was like a weird moment where they were like, they didn't know how, like, I was in like HR. Do you know how to say that moment to like fuck with them a little bit? No, I mean. What the fuck did you just say?

Oh man, I would. Oh, come on, bro. I wish I did. That person would melt inside like, what the fuck did you just say? No, it was the opposite. Like to me, I just couldn't stop laughing. It was almost like I was peeing myself.

Did you tell them this is the first time? And I'm like, so now I'm like, because there's like, it's not like just me. By the way, this is going to count as another session. I mean, I'm getting paid for this. I would just get, you're on to it. We should cut this out for you. But I'm now like, when it happened, I realized this happened on the second time.

And it's not just like we have a recording engineer. There's a microphone. There's somebody else. There's a grown person standing above me saying, no, no, it's door. And I'm like, this has already happened. So now I'm like, I am like living in a Larry David. like curb your enthusiasm. There's like, this is the second grown adult that has told me how to say dwarf.

I'm like, I went to college. You know, like I got a scholarship. You know, but it's so I mean, look. Well, you could have pulled the Shatner sabotage, sabotage. That's how I fucking say, guys. I'm not going to give you another take. No, I mean, I'm like, you know, I wanted that extra session. Hell yeah, that bread, bro.

So let me ask you this, going back to childhood, outside of. of like you said you would go to, was it conventions or meetings? Outside of that, were you the little person in the neighborhood and in your school? I was the only little person ever. Ever in the history of the town. In like, I feel like I was like this was a time when you were like, I just didn't meet anybody else little. You didn't see anything. I saw Willow when I was kid. I was like, oh, this is beautiful. It's wow. I got to go into the words. I'm like, I'm just preparing a spear. And my mom's like, what are you doing? me my people.

She's like, where are you going to dinner time? I'm like, I got to prepare for battle. You don't have that raccoon pelt, man. But it was like, literally, I'd never met anybody, you know. So, you know, it was that weird thing where, yeah, I was, I was the only little person. I was the only little person that ever did sports that did this that wanted to play literally. I used to, I had a lot of surgery when I was a kid, too.

I had complete reconstructive surgery, hips, ankles, knees, a body cast. Whoa. When I was 11. For how long? surgery, you're in the hospital in in Baltimore, randomly. The connecting, uh, at Hopkins too. Well, it started at at Hopkins and this, uh, doctor that was like the greatest doctor of like surgeon for little people.

They gave him his own wing. Damn. At St. Joe's. That's where my brother just went. And, and, uh, you know, so, so that was. That's a good hospital. Yeah, it was a great hospital in Towson.

So, uh, I spent a lot of my childhood there. It was when I was 11. I went in there, complete reconstructed surgery, hips, ankles, knees. Every week, you're doing another set of surgeries. And how are they doing it? Is it rods? Is it like, are they putting extenders in or straightened? Like, what do they do to your bones?

They were literally breaking it. So my, my, I used to walk like this. My legs would be like on a crazy angle. So I couldn't stand for like longer than 20 seconds of being pain. So I end up having all these sets of surgeries. But I was 11. and I had no idea what I was getting into. So I kind of, you know, it was sort of a blessing.

My parents were just like, hey, we're going to a movie. I'm like, what, what's happening? And boom, I'm in like, you know, I'm in the hospital now on morphine in a, you know, room after a 16-hour surgery. And I'm in a body cast up to ear. Oh, my God, dude. And then it's like, okay, we're going to do now, now that was your ankles. Now we're going to do your knees. That was just the ankles?

Yeah, and then we got to do your hips. What? Didn't do all it once. Once? You can't. These were, we're talking about 16, that one of my surgeries was 17 hours. God. So they had to wait a week in between each of these.

So, you know, I'm in the hospital now. And at the time, too, was like, this is like the 90s. Like, this is like a time, too. I was a huge sports fan. People find out about it. I'm getting random stuff. I was a Notre Dame fan. I'm got like a Lou Holtz hat, you know, all these.

You got a Rudy hat. A Rudy hat. I'm in this bodycast. I'm going to play for Notre Dame. When I get out of here, I'm going to play. You know, I'm convincing myself all these crazy things. And then I'm just like in this bodycast. And I'm in that for, you know, for when I was 11,

I have to go back home now in a bodycast. So I'm living in this homeschooling and stuff. You know, and that's it. I'm in this bodycast for six months. You know, I went out to a movie. You know, we would have like a movie. movie day to see Patch Adams when I was in the hospital. I remember Patch Adams.

And I'm like, I'm in the hospital. I'm like, this guy. Yeah, where is he? Yeah, why isn't he hanging out where I am? But it was like a cool thing because it was like a community too. Because there was little people from around the world that did get together and because they just all had surgery from this doctor. They would be somebody from India coming in.

Wow. Somebody else from California, Oregon. all different dorphisms. You know, there's like 300 different kinds of dorphism. And 86% have acondroplasia, which is Brad Williams. That's Peter Dinklage. You know, the majority of little people have acondriplasia. And then the rest of us were the just like, we're coming out with kind of wild cards.

Like you don't know everything. You've got to pull out a textbook and figure out what we have and, you know, what it is. So. Thank God for that, sir. You never been able to ride that bike through Hollywood. Never been able to ride that bike, bro. It was, you know, I kind of talk about it too because a lot of times people are like, man,

that must have been so hard, you know. First of all, when I was 11, you just don't even know. I went into it with such innocence and stupidity. Just kind of like blanket. You're like, oh, boom, now I'm in it. You know, this is what, you know, and it ended up kind of being a cool community of like people that I met.

I got to be honest, like, too, like I was, you know, they definitely, I think was a little depression in my life, too, in between. Like, that was the one time in between the first set of surgery when I was 11 and then when I was 16, I had to have everything happen again. No. So all my legs got, you know, we're talking about this is like, you know, surgery style of the 90s. This is like you're in like the Soviet Union. They got guys coming out with like sled chambers. It's like, your legs are like that. We're going to fix them back.

Boom, boom. Boom. I mean, they literally took them in. It's called osteotomies. They break them and make them straight. And all these different things. Well, when you go through puberty, it happens again. So everything breaks out.

But the doctor was like, look, we need to do this because we're afraid if we don't do it at this time, it's going to, you know, things are going to deteriorate and just quality of life and pain. You're not going to be able to do the kind of things that he knew I love sports. doing little league. I mean, I would, you know, play baseball and just sit halfway through trying to go to first. And, you know, this is out. You know, I make my own base. People are like, you can't do that. I'm like, yeah, I'm just here. He's like, he's out. I'm like, I'm, I think I'm not, you know. But I was in that spot, though, in, in, like, junior high. That was, like, the one time where, you know, honestly, like, that was, like, everything was hard. All of a sudden, my friends that I was playing sports with that I loved, because I finally, he after the body cast and you got to learn how to walk again and all that stuff. Then I'm like, I'm playing baseball and I'm back and I'm like, oh, this is so fun. You know, I'm like going from 11 to 12 and playing with all my friends. All of a sudden everyone now is like just gets so much taller than me.

Now they're all playing sports. Everyone's like, you know, the girls are coming in. Everyone's in that awkward phase. And that was like the awkward time for me because I also knew. that I was going to have to do the surgery again too. So that was always like in my mind a little bit. And I was like, look, this is, you're going to end up having to do this again. And it wasn't like when I was a kid.

I had no idea. We're just going to go into a movie. Hey, here's some candy and ice cream. We're going to go in here for a minute. And then you're like, boom. So that was like on my mind, you know, and it made me kind of, you know, that was like, that was, I would say, my philosophy has. has always been generally, I'm going to just enjoy life.

I'm going to have fun. If people are laughing at me, I'm going to be like, yeah, yeah. You know, like, I don't care because I'm going to reframe it. Because for me, I'm like, I'm not going to let that guy in France that wants a photo of me bother me. I'm having fun. I'm in France. When am I going to feel bad? This dude better buy my flight, you know?

Yeah, for real. Because I'm having fun. I'm not letting this guy bother me. And I'm also not going to let my friends. get into a fight over it because things escalate quick that way too. They do. Like, I would have friends, too. They would just jump in and fight for me no matter what.

Yeah, how could they not? Yeah. And then it just started getting the point where they wouldn't even be looking at me. Yeah, drunk's trying to pick you up and shit like that, dude. That's happened. But I'm good at just kind of going like that. I didn't know. I didn't know.

You picked me up? Not you, bro. Hell no, I never picked you up. Were you the guy in Hollywood? I did a drunk in a bar and I was like, oh, my gosh. God, and they were like, you just picked up a man. I was like, oh, my God. And I was like, they're like, why would a kid be in a bar, right?

And I was like, I'm fucked up. I think I should go, oh, God. Yeah. But he high-fived me. Yeah. No, but my friends were, again, you know, going back to the, you know, just the crazy one with the tattoos and all that stuff. So I always gravitated from a little kid to people like that. Tough people, you know, kind of just outsiders.

Really, everybody. I think I have always been friendly. But in that junior high, you know, time. That was when everything kind of changed. And I was like, hey, you know, I got it. That was the one time where it was hard for me to kind of focus on that world and coming to terms of being little and, you know, all that time. So at what point in regular life, regular world, do you finally run into another little person? I mean, because you were the dude forever, only one in your town stuff.

When do you, the college? Do you? No, I mean, so that's the kind of beauty of it. No, no, no, no. I grew up with little people. so not in my town but my parents we went to a you know doctor

and they were like hey I mean separate from that organically that was the only time that was the only time randomly there would be like I remember one time and I never at a party in college and be like

you see another little person like this motherfucker I'm like I still to this my wife is like you gotta stop this and I see a little person I try to chase them down like hey what's up I'm Nick you know I want to meet people I'm like this is my buddy

Dale's like the guy's in the bank. What are you doing? You know, though. But I want to like, I feel like a connection. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I remember actually once I was, you know, a little kid and I did see like a little person in, you know, a grocery store. And I was like so excited. I told my mom, I was like, it's a little person.

And I go up to him. I was like, hey, he was like, ah. He like kind of went like that to me. But and I was like, I was sort of like shaken and like sad. and like, I was like, why would he do that? You know, because he kind of like, sort of like scared me away. But then I'm like, okay, first of all, I'm like, he could be on a date. He's on like a business meeting.

I'm just a little kid that's like, I got questions. Like he's doing his life. And, you know, sometimes it's the wrong place, wrong time. But, you know, I've always enjoyed that. I love that. I love meeting people in, you know, other areas too. I've had, you know, a cool experience of, you know, being a little person, just getting a tour all over the world. As a comedian, you know, we're blessed, man. It's like, I've got to do

U.S.O tours all over in the Middle East. You know, I'm like, I'm going to find a little person. I want to try to go to their house. I want to go. Honestly, like, let's come over. Like, I'm like, I want to go. Let's have to eat. Let's hang out, you know. But that was like, you know, I would say, too, because also at that time, this is again, this is before Google, before cell phones. I met little people at these conventions. I would hand right there. them letters to like a little person dude. I'm like, hey, I like playing ping pong with you. We should play it again.

You know, you're handwriting letters. But you wouldn't find people. It wasn't like that, you know. You said your wife is a little person. Have you only ever dated little people? No, no. So I've dated little people. I dated tall women.

What's the tallest lady you've ever dated? I dated a pretty tall, pretty tall girl that she was almost, I mean, she was five, 10 and a half. That's tall. She was tall. She was tall. But, you know, and I've dated little people and, you know, my wife, I've been with her for 15 years. Oh, wow.

Okay. So we've been together a long time. When you meet these ladies prior to your wife, are you on sites? Are you meeting them in person? I'm so old. There weren't no sites. Yeah. I mean, I've been with her 15 years.

I'm like, sites were just like, I'm going to go up to, like, it was like Craigslist. I'd have to go on Craigslist. like, hey, I'm a little person and I'm not crazy. Or, you know, like, there was no, like, thing like that. Did you ever worry that these ladies didn't really like you and that you could be a fetish? Do you ever worry about that? Yeah. Did you ever care?

I'm like, you got to roll the dice. You know, we got to do we got to do. What am I doing wearing this clue outfit? What about checking off for you, ladies? No, I mean, I, you know, look, first of all, you got to sometimes you got to take the wins for the wins. I didn't, it was hard, man. Like, dating was really hard for me. And that was, like, all part of, like, the junior high thing.

Like, I was always good at just talking to people, you know, like deflecting, talking to people. Hey, what's up? Making friends with people being like a politician, mostly to keep me from getting beat up, but also just, like, it's a part of who I am. I'm friendly and I'm just going to talk and talk too much sometimes and all that stuff. And so I'd be able to talk to everybody. But at that time, too, like in junior high, that was the time when I was. I was like, I just wasn't comfortable being little, too.

That was the only time in my life. Well, also, probably physically. Girls, I was in pain. Yeah. I was in all this stuff. I knew it was like. Oh, yeah. I didn't even consider that.

Yeah. Puberty is fucked up enough on your body, but also adding pain to it. And you got to have another, I mean, basically a full body surgery. Yeah. I mean, Jesus Christ. It was not even basically. No wonder you hated that. Reconstructive all the time, you know.

How were you when you lost your virginity? 18? I was going to say, I'm wondering, because you're in cast and stuff too a lot of time. Yeah. Yeah. So I was, you know, yeah, I didn't. I had a hard time. So dating.

Also, I would be friends with all these girls and that. And all of a sudden, they'd be like, hey, I'm making, you know, I'm bringing everyone together. And I know where the party is. You know, I threw this crazy party when I was in high school. Where? So I had a second set of surgeries. Mm-hmm. And I threw like the biggest party anybody had ever seen.

At your house? Yeah. It was like a, you know, just a rager. It was just all outside, everything. I, you know, we had like a basement. We had outside area, just street thing. I just locked the doors, everything. And, you know.

Where are your parents? They were, I don't know, somewhere like Vermont or something. They're like, here's 20 bucks for pizza. And I'm like, okay, I'll see you later. And I'm like a nightclub manager. I got kegs coming in, there's bouncer. There's people. I'm on crutches right now.

I'm on crutches. And I got, you know, I'm trying to, I refuse to let any girls into the house. Because I was like, once I let people in the house, then everything's going to be tore up. Girls always try to. So girls are like, I got to go pee. I got to pee. We got woods right here. You know, there's a little bit, you know, on the other side, you get out there.

You know, and everyone's out there. Girlfriends only. And I'm just like, you know, riding around. I'm on crutches. But that was always the thing. Like I would always kind of connect people. I have all these people at the party. So I always knew the girls.

But I never, I would always be in that friend zone. You know, so I was like that thing where I didn't, that was a weird thing. Where my, you know, teenage years into that. And, you know, it made me kind of in that down period. But I think honestly, like that second set of surgeries, though, actually changed everything for me. Because I was like, I sort of was on a path to go nowhere from that, like, you're in that down period where somebody, I've born optimist, like friendly, all that stuff.

I was just having a hard time being like who I am, you know? So at that time, though, I went and had surgery. And so I'm back in the body cast again. I'm back in the surgery again. And I'm so mad. And everything was about like, I don't want to do this again. And, you know, all the stupid things of like, and girls don't like me. Stuff where now you're like, who cares?

It's not going to work out. But at that time, everything felt so hard. But that experience kind of changed my life because my mom wasn't there that time. It was me at 16. All right, you're not a kid anymore. You're in the hospital. You're a grown man. You're going to work.

Your work is just sitting in this cast. And then you're, you're seeing other kids in the hospital. Kids missing their arms. There's things, you know, they got surgeries. Kids got half of his head is being, you know. You're seeing that shit in there? And so I'm like, you know, I'm wheeling around. Then you start thinking to yourself, I'm going to take my shit and run with it.

Yeah. So it's like it shifts your focus. It has a perspective where you're like, look, when I come out of this hospital, I'm going out to do something. Good for you. And I'm getting out. I don't want to be. I got my whole head. I'm getting out of here and doing some shit with this whole head.

Little do I know I'm going to get hit in that head. It's little person. Did you have a helmet on? No. Brown. Come on, man. I hear you. I'm a little person.

I try to act hard. It's a bicycle. I don't care if you're close to the ground. You hit your head. It's still going to fucking knock you out, bro. I brought this bike with me and the guy that wanted to take a picture of me in France. I had my bike with me. You were on the bike?

I had to get off the bike to take a photo with a random person. And I'm waiting for him to go, I like you, you know, bad thoughts. He goes, no, no, no, you're just a little person. I have no, I do. I like little people. But I'm like, hey. Just a friendly out of here, buddy. I'm just a friendly, yeah.

Yeah. Okay, so you talked about being a dad. We talked outside. Yeah. If you have a four-year-old and a brand-new baby, is that right? Four-year-old and a brand-new baby. How old? Like months?

Three-month-old baby. So, you know, being a dad. And you're jet setting off the France and coming here and everything, man. Holy hell. I'm like to my wife. I'm like, hey, we got to do it. Look, it's work. I'm working.

She's like, you're in the French Riviera. You're riding a bike in the French Riviera? No. Taking pictures with drunks. Wait, so you're a little person, your wife is a little person. Are your children? So here's the interesting thing about this. And tell me about that.

So my wife has a contraplasia. Again, that's what Peter Dinklage is. Gotcha. You know, Brad Williams. And yours is what again? We have every little person that you could think of has a contraplasia at least, you know, 80%. Mm-hmm. I have pseudoacontroplasia, which means that we are kind of a mystery.

So we have no idea. Mm-hmm. So we don't know until the wildcard genes. So with our four-year-old, you know, we still don't know. I think she has my kondorphism, but we don't want to do your kind. genetic testing. So we knew right off the bat, she doesn't have my wife's kind because that shows in, you know, ultrasound. I was going to ask you, these days with the advancements and technology, you can see.

You knew that in like the 80s, then, you know, the 90s. So when I, when I was born, if I had been born with my wife's Dorfism, they didn't know. They would have known before I was born. That's why they didn't know you. So, yeah, they didn't. Now they don't know me. Is that right still? We're talking about it.

The only way you know, even with my children, is if you take, like, genetic testing and you, you know, go through all these steps. Now, I don't want to do that. And, you know, now here's where I start getting a little crazy. But there's, like, a whole thing where these pharmaceutical companies have located the gene of dwarfism. And they're trying to make little people tall. And they haven't fully even. gone through the 20, 30 years to see what the side effects are of these drugs. They just FDA goes, oh, wait a minute, it makes somebody tall.

It's good enough for us. But you're going to die in five years. No idea. Right, right. Cancer. And they're no idea if they're going to make people tall or little. And, you know, even at just the baseline, that says to me, like, I'm not okay because I'm three for ten.

I'm like, look, I'm so far past removed. this like, I want to be tall and, you know, any of those things. I'm not my height. I'm not my height. This is who I am. I mean, it's like saying I don't want to be Polish or Italian or, you know, Irish or a New York Giants fan or, you know, all these things like, things within your identity. I don't know why I said Giants. I'm like all these other, you know, elements. And so we, we, we don't know. But it's the cool thing about it is we're part of this community with little people. You know, we have, we go to conventions. We get to go. We get to see people. You also both have hindsight to all of this coming up and you can really help. Is your newborn going to be a little person?

No. So even the other thing with this, too. So because my wife and I have different dorphism, there was a 25% chance. It's her kind of dorphism, you know right away. 25% chance it be my kind of dorfism. We don't know. 25% chance it would be her kind and my kind, which, again, we would know because her kind would be in there. Or 25% chance tall.

That's what I want to ask. So we're in this mystery. So even though you're both little people, because you've got this wild card thing, there is a chance your children could be tall. I mean, now it's a significant chance. That's 25%. You said that's a lot. But when they're born right away and they're not her kind, that's not 25%. percent anymore. That becomes like whatever, you know, 50-50.

Could be your kind or none at all. So I kind of love this corn flip, you know. Okay, can we talk about that for a second? Yeah. How are both you going to handle a daughter, a teenage daughter who's taller than both you? Actually, all three. I mean, we're going to need somebody to be her. She's going to be the outsider. She's going to be lifting things, right? I mean, we're going to start training her like, you know.

Come get this soup Why do I need to move this luggage again? Because I want to travel. She is going to hate her like everybody in the family's lit out. I'm grabbing everything. Her dad's a comedian. God, he's always getting in and out of an Uber. It would suck.

Stop with this suitcase. That would be difficult. And it would also be difficult to empathize with her. Like, what are you bitching about right now? Just get the fucking jelly down and fucking sit down. But it is like, it is like, we have our world so like just kind of modified where I'm like, look, you know, I do okay, you know, but I'm also not like killing it to where I've like, you know, completely customized the house.

So we're going part ways. They're stools. So we can have somebody tall. It's like we haven't fully committed to like we're all three foot 10. For company. Let me ask you this. If, if, if you had unlawful, Unlimited funds.

Yeah. What's the one thing or one of the things. I don't like to always say the what's one of the things that you would fucking pay that you know you'd be like, this would make my fucking life or my day so much easier. Something that we maybe take for granted. What would you pay? Unlimited. I don't care if it's $10 million. You said the house tricked out.

I mean, after yesterday in flying into LAX, I would like to have them change this stupid system. where you have to take a shuttle bus to get an Uber where I have to walk like 10 miles. I'm getting a wheelchair to it and it looks like I'm walking into like a, you know, where am I going? Worst fucking airport. So just these stupid things where you're like, you know, so it's like more things like that.

What would I do? I would limit my crazy, like I need to just walk a mile for no reason. Now, if it's unlimited funds, maybe I have some kind of weird like helicopter that's like, that could take me from here to where I have to go to take a lift. Tiny chopper. Because I'm too cheap to take. You'd be the only one out there.

He's spending $10 million to take a $35 lift. But he's got that money that he has. So you don't, well, I'm just trying to think in my head of the scooters and shit like that. Yeah. I don't, they're none made for smaller people. Well, a lot of little people. that you will take like a razor scooter. But I mean, I'm sorry, I mean like the lime ones that you could rent and run around the city.

No, I did a gig actually for Uber. Like the headquarters of Uber we're talking about like because I do a lot of stuff for disability representation. That's a huge part of what, you know, my world is. I created something called the Easter Sales Disability Film Challenge. We're in our 12th year of it. Hell yeah, dude. We've had 850 films created by people at disabilities. You have to make a film that has somebody with a disability.

in front of her behind the camera. The films aren't about disability. It's just about showing. Yeah, yeah. What's your disability, man? Nah. He could be the guy that decides whether you get it or not. And the best thing about you,

man, I was going to get involved. I was going to, yeah. I was, but then I thought, man, he was fine. So all that. I thought you were just a kid. Exactly. It goes up, he goes, well, you don't have anything, man. But again, I'm like, it's not like I presented my, like, you know, handicapped sticker to him too and said, I have a disability.

And you didn't get involved. He goes, but what is their disability? What just came out of nowhere? Yeah, no. But it was like, you know, so I'm all into that world for little people and just disability representation. I forget, even when I was talking about where that way. We were saying, we were talking about making your life easy. and unlimited funds of what you would do.

But this is the way I am, though. So at a certain point, you're just like saying, too, like, you know, it's getting a nose job. Do you need the nose job? How much does your life change that much? You know, it's like, this is the way it is. And also, it just changes everything. It's that weird, like, matrix where if you take that blue pill, it changes everything else. Now all of a sudden, I don't end up going to the hospital.

I don't end up going to do this. I don't, you know, meet my wife. I don't, you know, even my wife, I met her at a little people convention. She was walking out the door. She wasn't having a good time at the convention and literally is about to leave and never come back. And she ends up talking to my friend who's a little person. She's like, yeah, I'm not having a good time. I don't think this is for me.

He goes, wow, what's that? She's like, well, you know, I'm an actor. I wanted to meet little people actors. And so I come here and I didn't meet me. And he goes, this is my boy, Nick, you know, he's an actor, you know. And boom. If I had not been in the lobby at this Little People Convention, if she had not been like, I'm fed up with this and I want to leave and tried to exit the lobby of this hotel at the same time,

we never would have met. So it's like the beauty of it. And I would have made her life so much easier. Dude, thank you for doing this episode. This has been great, man. Oh, man. Thank you for having them. Before we wrap it up, I want to know advice you'd give to 16-year-old Nick.

16-year-old Nick. Yeah, because after everything you're saying, I'm saying that that age seems to be really pivotal for so many people. It really was. It really wasn't. In fact, that was the age did everything I was talking about because I was in junior high. I was in that dark years, the surgeries come. 16 was the surgery. Okay.

So the 16 year old Nick, look, it's all going to work out. And also, these girls that don't want to talk to, who cares? You know, like, it's going to work out. You will find girls. You'll find your rhythm. You'll find your friends. The whole thing. The whole porn category for us, bro.

Tall women that like little guys. You're going to find little women. You're going to do it. But there is all these other things. So there was that moment where it just felt like you're like an outside. It's not going to work. But it does. And also, I would just tell.

myself to just like to go with that dark spot, you know? And luckily, that dark spot was what ultimately changed everything. Because I wasn't in that crowd with people that were, you know, having their own dark times and getting into trouble and all that stuff. And that was my crowd. And I wasn't caring about school. But it was like I go into the hospital and I end up hooking up with a girl in the hospital. Did you?

So I did better in the hospital than I did out of the hospital. Oh, man. One more time, please promote anything you'd like, man. This was great. Thank you. So follow me at Nick Novicki. You can learn about my comedy. You can also learn about the Easter sales disability film challenge.

Go to at Disability Film Challenge. Check out Bittersweet. It's going to be in select movie theaters starting Father's Day. Hopefully it stays. Bad thoughts. You know, Netflix. I got some other projects coming out. I'm going to be touring and doing shows in L.A.

and all over the place. So, you know, follow me. And thank you so much for having me on the show. You got it, brother. Thank you for doing it. And as always, Ryan Sickler on all your social media. We'll talk to y'all next week.