The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler - 385: Shane Mauss Thought He Hacked the White House With His Mind | The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler #385

Episode Date: May 11, 2026

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We highlight the low lights. I always say these are the stories behind the storytellers. I am very excited to have this guest with us. First time on the honeydew. Ladies and gentlemen, Shane Moss. Welcome to the honeydew, Shane Moss. Thanks for having me, buddy.

Thank you for being here, buddy. You as well. And before we get in what we're going to talk about today, right there, please promote everything you'd like. Easy, peace. Well, my name's spelt or pronounced weird, depending on how you look at it. So, Shane M-A-U-S-S dot com. I have a brand new.

Are we all have been saying it wrong? It's like mouse or some shit. Well, my family pronounces it moss, and I believe my family's been saying it wrong. Germans say it mouse. Somewhere along the way, something went wrong. I am saying Moss correctly for you all. I almost changed it to M-O-S-S before Star Wars. us before starting comedy just so I wouldn't run into this very situation. But now it's too late.

All right. I was too lazy. Um, and, uh, yeah, so I have a, a two part, uh, special about psychedelics called trips. And the first dose is already out, available through 800 pound gorillas. And the second dose is, uh, available for pre-release bicycle day, the anniversary of LSD in April 19th. And available for everyone on May 19th through 800 pound. Gorillas. It's the first ever special recorded at Meow Wolf. We did it in Denver and there's about 20 different artists and I had a VJ that does concerts and things of blending all the things in real time to go along to bring to life so people can have a vicarious trip for the nobs and then people a little more experienced can have those I've been there moments. All right. I mean,

I have a million questions because we'll get into it. I'm definitely pro shrooms. love me some shrooms, never take an LSD in my life. Yeah. Not interested in LSD. That's fine. So if I'm watching your special on a substance, do you recommend shrooms or LSD? Oh boy. If I'm going to take something.

You want to know what's funny. So there's this whole, they just clipped this joke of mine where I talk about how there's a rivalry between the LSD and mushroom people. and how it's like, yeah, not that big of a deal. Like whatever your personal preference is, we're just fighting over shapes, basically. And I have this joke about it.

And all the comments are about one, how there's no rivalry over mushrooms and LSD, and then lots of people fighting over what is better between mushrooms and LSD. I made the show. It's funny. So I had to, when I toured with, we did like 150 cities warming up for this.

And I had to put Q&As and frequently asked questions because it's like, is there going to be drugs there? What drugs should I show up on and that sort of thing? And we made the show that is meant to be like a trip in and of itself. So like doing a psychedelic to watch my psychedelic, it feels like a little bit of a hat on a hat. It's not. It cancels itself out. Or is maybe a bit too much. I mean, I think I would say if I had to pick, I would be.

on LSD to watch my own special, I suppose. But that's something because LSD doesn't do too much to me. So any other ones would make me be like, what the fuck am I doing with my life? And too introspective. So let me go back to the beginning. Why? Why this special, this journey? Why?

Sure. I started as a regular old stand-up comic way back when cop breaks, got to do Conan and Kimmel and all the things, became a full-time. touring comedian and uh and and and the advent of podcasting and i kind of did i got like a half hour comedy central presents and stuff i was so happy with it was that was kind of like my dream starting out i've got it like you know less than five years in the business and i had uh and then i was like okay i guess i'd do an hour now and then i did an hour and uh it was like you know a lot of like dick jokes and drinking stories and stuff it was like

like I just watched your special. It's like fucking cool and personal and you know like thank you about stuff you know and and and and I was a I just felt you know I turned 30 and I was like I'm missing that and this was you know 15 years ago and there wasn't like really like solo show type things by I was doing international shows where people are doing themed shows and I was like what would my theme be I was always reading science books as a little hobby and and and I went through a period of time when I was like in a little bit of a funk like everything was going well but I didn't know. I was like, do I even want to do this with my life? And I found myself like eating a lot of mushrooms and watching the animal planet.

Yeah. And I just had a lot of questions. And I started emailing scientists and come to find out they'll just write you right back. They were like pumped to hear from like a comedian that cared about what they did. and and so then I started being like maybe I'm going to put together some science shows I was in a new relationship at the time I was writing a lot of relationship jokes then I'm watching like David Attenborough documentaries and like starting to connect like so I put together a special about mating behavior called mating season years ago on Netflix back when it didn't do anything for you to have a Netflix special and I was a real hipster in that way and then And then I started doing these. I like to do things when either before or after they matter for one's career.

And I try to stay underground, right? I always stay like that poor Eric Estrada just missed that Latin boom. You know what I mean? Eric Estrada just missed that Latin boom. Chips would have been over the 90s. Eric Estrada's, boom. He's up there. Exactly.

And so, and that was. I didn't really like that special that much either. And then I, and then I, um, and then I started putting a, I put together this show about the evolution of negative emotions and I was doing it. It was going pretty good. And then I broke my feet while hiking. Feet, both of my feet. What the hell have?

I jumped off something that was much too high. I'm an adrenaline junkie. I was in the best shape in my life. I was like 34. I was rock climbing like crazy. And I was supposed to, I was in Sedona, Arizona. I was supposed to go rock climbing for my birthday. birthday there was fires there so i couldn't so i was still trying to like get my adrenaline fix

jumped off something that was much too high uh broke both of them both my heels one of them exploded oh fuck i'm a few hours it sucked ass you're laying there uh someone with you yeah someone well someone was with like so i i landed and and i heard it happen and i was like i was just like Hey, I just broke my feet. Don't jump. But I said it like that, so they thought I was joking. Oh, no. Like, I have a dry demeanor, you know?

Apparently, even when I break, maybe I was in a little bit of a shock. And so they almost, then they had to like go all the way around. It was too steep to do anything to like carry me. Like they tried a little bit. You're crawling? So, yeah. For how long? A few hours.

Hours, bro. So I almost called a helicopter, but I wasn't sure where my insurance was. at the time. Turns out I did have insurance but I was like waiting for this. I specifically. I'm looking at their car. Like do I have helicopter?

This was right when the like ObamaCare shit came through and I like got some confirmation that I got it. Yeah. It turns out you could have been airily. Oh yeah. I wanted to save some money. So I just crawled for a few hours. Look, I just saw this whole thing.

And I had a friend of mine. tell me she did this one time. We were no longer friends. But she went to the ER and she's just like, I just go in. I don't fucking take my license. I don't take anything. I refuse to give my name. Legally, they cannot refuse me service.

And they can't. And they will pressure the fuck out of you. Please put your name on a credit card. Nope. And then you walk out. And so many of the comments are from nurses saying, I work in a hospital. Unfortunately, this is true.

Yeah. And it's like, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was, I'm paying a helicopter. But see, that's where they got you because you want to get that helicopter. I could have got the helicopter. Shame off. And I've always wanted to be in a helicopter, too. Not like that.

Yeah, it's not the best way for a helicopter. They're going to dope you up and everything. Well, when you have two broken feet, you're looking for silver linings. So you're crawling for hours. Yeah, yeah. And it was a whole thing, you know. But then I had to perform on crutches for like a year. I ended up getting a foot infection and all that.

And so it integrated into this act. I'd already written about like why the evolution of, it's an evolutionary mystery. Like, why would we have anxiety to crush in these things that feel maladaptive that we don't want to have, that we don't want to experience when we are experiencing them. We want them to go away.

We don't feel very productive when it's happening. And so it really personalized it, that I was able to make it about this injury. And so I put up. this album my big break that's the first time i was like kind of able to integrate science and interesting like philosophical ideas into comedy in a way that was meaningful and i thought was like well executed and i went on pete holmes uh you made it weird podcast for like it was you know i've been on a few times and to promote the album this is like 2014 or 15 and he's like

where were you you know i was like oh i was in sidona arizona what were you doing in said, Don't Arizona. I was like, oh, it's going to do ayahuasca for the first time. Didn't get around to it. It broke my feet first. This was back before everyone in the world knew what ayahuasca was. Now every other person's a shaman. I used to be someone who didn't put much thought into my outfit ahead of time. But lately, I've caught myself trying to be more intentional in the way I dress. I used to think looking professional meant uncomfortable, stiff clothes that you can't get out of quick enough by the end of the day. But thanks to the pieces I've gotten from Quince, I know that's not the only way. If you're wearing,

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It's about every other person in L.A. at this point. And so you're an ordained, Reverend? Oh, hell yeah. I'm over one, no, bro. I'm married my buddy and his wife when they got divorced. I'm overwhelmed. Well, that's a small sample size, man. You can't be too hard on yourself.

You got to get back out there. My numbers are great. I got to get out there and marry more people, man. I suck at that first one. And so, and he was like, what's ayahuasca? I was like, well, there's a stuff DMT that I got very interested in. And I've had a bunch of these experiences and I had a hard time, like, wrapping my head around. Dude, I'm having a flashback right now.

It's odd to say. It's funny. But I'm pretty sure you were the one at the Portland Bridgetown Festival. You've been there, right? That was educating me on DMT the first time I'd ever even heard of DMT. I was giving a lot of people. I'm pretty sure. There's a lot of comics that did DMT for the first time.

I never did it, though. But I would listen to you and the way you were explaining and my memory, I'm sure you did it much better. But like this chemical that gets released as you're dying naturally and things like that, I know. It's pretty speculative. But you went into like what this thing was and it just made me think of that because I was like the first time I'd heard of it was from you. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

No, don't be sorry. This is a real life flashback and fucking in our psychedelic story. Yeah, yeah. And so we started talking about DMT. It took over the podcast. I wasn't like up until I always had a couple psychedelic jokes in my act. I had all these psychedelic jokes, but you did them and the people look at you like, you're crazy. I mean, I did one on Conan in 2007 and I had to fight with the FCC forever to do the most adorable little mushroom joke. And and so it never occurred to me that I could do, even though I was putting together a themed show. shows. I could do like a themed show about psychedelics. But this, I got so many messages afterwards. And Pete and I had the same agent at the time. And she reached out and was like, what was that DMT? I thought I was in trouble. Like I thought like, my agent was like, I got a, I didn't realize I was working with a crazy person, you know. And she's like, that was really fascinating. I said, well, I do have like an hour of psychedelic material in my back pocket. I thought to be able to talk about

psychedelics, I would need to be like Carlin or something like that, like big enough where you could, like Carlin would just be like, you know what, I'm going to eliminate three quarters of my audience and start over going this like new direction, you know. And she's like, no, let's just try some indie shows. Tried it. My met the psychedelic audience was like really cool, especially back then. is uh you know they've changed there it's it's the normalization of psychedelics over the last 10 years has changed the demographic um and so it's a weird space right now but um but yeah i i had these fun shows and people came out i was shocked by it and i was shocked but you know before you're a name or whatever you can crush it at a comedy club and you can have the best

set you've had all year. People dying laughing. People are like, hey, nice job. And I leave it. They're just like, yeah, I paid for a comedy show. That's what I expected. Don't quit. Yeah, don't quit. You're doing good. I get that one too. Like, yeah, you're pretty good. I've been doing this for 20 months ago. You just don't know me. And it's, it's like the enthusiasm. And then they were, they were also like, you know, I really liked the bits of information that you put in there. And I was like, I have been waiting for an audience. I'd been. crow barring information into like you know fucking uh the chuckle hut you know saturday date night like the see if they'll tolerate a little bit of more complicated ideas in between dick

jokes or whatever and so it was really exciting and i put together this um this psychedelic comedy tour back in 2016 and 17 i think i did the crab feast back then i did a whole bunch of podcast pumping it up and and uh it was great and um and then this guy matt schuller who produced my specials trips um he reached out he produces a ton of comedy specials and he is like you know i've never i've always wanted to do something you know beyond a comedy special and uh do you do you want to like put together a pilot for something i was like well i've always wanted to do so i have this science podcast here we are at the time where each week I was traveling around interviewing a different scientist a lot about how the mind works

and perception a lot of my psychedelic experience got me very interested in consciousness and perception and why we have the beliefs that we do and and so I started learning a lot but I never went to college and so I'm like going at all these universities and and I always thought that I wanted to do like a kind of like a Mike Rose dirty jobs but like academia sort of thing like kind of normalize science and and and and and so I pitched that idea as a documentary and I's like you know it's too bad you didn't get a hold of me earlier because there's a psychedelic conference that I got invited to this maps the multidisciplinary association of psychedelic studies that's pioneered much of the model all of the psychedelic space is

hilarious and wild by the way but yeah there They're the ones that kind of got like the MDMA studies going again and now psilocybin and others. They've, they've, people really had to jump through a lot of hoops just to study psychedelics. So they're schedule one, the most scheduled drugs that there are. And so I was like, I'm doing this conference. Like this is not a normal science conference. This is like, you know, the word science should be in quotes. you're at a psychedelic science conference.

And are you performing your show there? Yeah. Or you're a guest speaker. Okay. Yeah. Like Duncan Trusel was on it. Of course. Adam Strauss and some other comics to do some psychedelic stuff.

And I was like, we should check this out because this will be, you know, you go to a psychedelic science conference. You're going to hear the word quantum more than you would at a physics conference. You know, it's a little, it gets into the pseudoscience area. And so, you know, this would be a trip. It's a bunch of people way into drugs trying to act sciencey. And so we went and shot that and had like a lot of the best psychedelic researchers at the time for this, what would become my documentary Psychonautics, a comics exploration of psychedelics. And I had 20 years of nothing but positive psychedelic experiences up until that point.

20 years. That's a hell of a run, bro. like helped out with depression, incredible creative aid. You know, I felt like it was like a superpower for me. I felt it made me a better comic, everything else helped me see,

uh, the world a little differently. And, um, just great, you know? And so I was rather arrogant about psychedelics. And then because I was making this documentary and some other things,

I had like a couple months before this really started. I had my first panic attack because, um, in advertising my shows. I had this 111 city tour and it was like gangbusters, but then the social media sites started cracking down on any substance-related content. I hadn't even considered that. In early 2017, suddenly I went from like filling rooms everywhere I went,

selling out everywhere and adding shows to like, oh, I hope 20 people find out about this. Yeah, I was able to figure it out and navigate around it and find new ways to market things. But it was making this documentary for the, I'd never done anything like that. And I was like, I had my first panic attack.

I went to a hospital where it was just a panic. I thought it was a heart attack. And, but that was the first, I'd had depression my whole life. But that was the first time I experienced real anxiety. And so I didn't have like tools to manage it. Wow.

Six. Okay. No, 37. Almost 37. Yeah, like never really experienced it like waves, but not like a chronic state of anxiety. And all these like weird things happen. I was trying to make a psychedelic special then. I was getting all these like weird notes from industry.

It was like very skittish about at the time they wanted breaking bad. It had come out and they wanted like sex drugs and rock and roll. But I was saying like positive things about like psychedelics could be good for mental health and everyone's like, oh, no, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Like Showtime. It'd be like, like, I literally just got done watching a show where like, um, uh, Benedict Cumberbatch was like shooting up and then being cool and having a three way and stuff.

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I was eating mushrooms constantly at this time, trying to figure out what this documentary was going to be. Because I was basically like, constantly. Are we doing it daily? Like three times a week. That's two minutes. Okay, three times a week. You could do that for like all week, but you don't want to do that.

But when you say you're not microdosing, you're going for it. Yeah. Yeah. So like, I want to make sure. The famous like heroic dose is like five. grams of mushrooms that really doesn't mean anything because of a bunch of things that I won't get into because of different species, different potency, everything else. But that's like a standard. So that's like considered a large dose. I was doing, that was like a minimum like every, every single time. So I

wasn't like allowing time for integrating. And you kind of have a tolerance at that point. And it usually takes a couple days to come down like fully from psychedelics to or like, you know, you're in a very open space and so just to keep on like reupping like that what had happened was i had always used whenever i i'm bipolar and so anytime i i started a depressive episode without psychedelics it'd last for like two months um that's really standard for bipolar too and um but with psychedelics if i caught it early on things could wrap up like really quickly if the first one didn't do it i'd do it like again or one or two more times in the following week or two, that depression would lift, I'd be okay again.

I was making, so that had happened. I was making this documentary, I was like, you know what? Instead of like using mushrooms to feel like not depressed, what if I could like feel good, you know, so I did more. And then I was like, felt good. And I was like, you know, what if I could feel great? You know, did more. I'm feeling great.

and I was like, what's after great? And I learned a very important lesson, which is that if things are going great, leave that shit. Hello? Great's really fucking good. Stick with great. Great is great.

I'm like that psychedelic sign. Stick with great. Great is great. What's better than great? Well, what did you find out? Oh my God. So we basically were like, well, let's just have me doing, let's just shoot me doing all of the psychedelics. So I did like ketamine in a clinical setting for my first time during the documentary.

We shot that. We just didn't really know what we were doing, you know? We didn't know what the shape of the, what the documentary was going to be, which is also why I was doing so many. Hoping, like, I would figure out like what the, and I was trying to stay in that space and figure out what visuals we might want to add and stuff. And then I went to prep to do ayahuasca on. I wanted to do I, I had done ayahuasca twice, and it was like very mild. And I thought that was because I smoked so much DMT, which is dimethythlyptamine the active ingredient in ayahuasca.

So it's like a 10-minute kind of ayahuasca experience of being overly simplified way of describing it. And so it's like a very out-of-body experience. This is, you know, people come back with reports of like meeting spirits and gods and things like that. and and and and and I was like you know I probably just smoke so much DMP that I have such a tolerance for this space so I was trying to find what dose would be appropriate to like send me a little further before recording it um and so I went to this person's house in Colorado that I knew it's also it's also weird going like being in the psychedelic space especially you start to become known as a psychedelic comedian a comedian all of a sudden and now you just meet all these strange people so now you like meet so and everyone wants to give you the introduce you to their thing and they're and and so you know you'll find someone out of

place and like i don't know if this person knows spells um but they certainly believe they do and i don't know what that's all takes some time that's all religion and voodoo is is belief in it. Exactly. It doesn't exist if you don't believe it. I don't know what's scary. Them having powers or believing they have power. Without belief there is nothing.

Exactly. And psychedelics are such an unpredictable space. And so you see all these like kind of, I think a lot of the rituals that evolve around or like almost a ritualized OCD of like a kind of a way of of having a perceived feeling of control over these experiences. I'm also a science guy. So I also like I tried to be, I try to go with the experience and be an anthropologist and everything.

And then I have like little voices and, you know, I have me pray to the north and the east and the west and the south. And I'm like, we're the space doesn't work like that. That's like our like, why not have me pray to a certain. coordinate like that doesn't what why not like northeast you know i have stupid things going off in my mind so i so all of this like getting into like the uh you know the deep spaces of the ritualistic side of psychedelics also like can be for someone that's a little skeptical minded it can be a little bit like unsettling sometimes too but anyway i trusted this person she's great and um but i was like

hit me, you know, hit me harder. Like stuff didn't work the first time I did it. It's just like all these careful what you wish for stories that are about taking. And I had this amazing, like the single greatest trip of my life. So much so I was supposed to stay like the weekend and have a couple more like ceremonies. But so much so that I was like, I'm good actually, you know. And then I left. and then shit just started getting really weird.

And basically, like, I just never came down from that trip. And there was all these things during the ayahuasca experience that, like, you know, these beings are. So I, yeah, what do you see? This one in particular, is it scary? Are you seeing the wild shit or not? That comes like the, the bad part comes later. Bad part comes later. Okay.

That was good. It was just, there was unsettling things. So I was working based off the mental model of what you're experiencing on these like DMT experiences, is that you are exploring different parts of your subconscious mind that you don't normally have access to. Most people that experience these, the face value take for very good reason is if you experience these, you're going to be like, I just saw God, you know. and but my take is is that we have all of these different archetypes and sub-sselves in our minds that we are just in the same reason that you have dreams at night they're just kind of like running simulations and stuff all of the time like five different worlds coming up with what I'm going to say next I'm just not privy to what's going on normally and then you do psychedelics and you see all these worlds where like so what might look like a god might just be like your memory of your neighbor or something like

that that you're interested in this space they seem so familiar but it like looks like a hologram or whatever it doesn't look like this waking consciousness so it's just different and so that was my working idea and so i was always like when i talked with these entities or whatever and the spaces i'd always be like you got to do something but like show me something that it would be like outside of myself or whatever and there were several things that happened during that trip one was it set that I was going to be the first, and this wasn't necessarily out of nowhere, because I

talked to the guy putting together this study. But there was a study of this first DMTX. So DMT is a 10-minute experience. It's like, you know, often considered the most intense psychedelic

experience that you could have. And the idea is that can you, along, using an anesthesiologist to keep the supply going can you elongate the DMT state and stay in there for like hours to like really explore these okay so actually put you under and you're on DMT so you can stay longer than 10 minutes yeah yeah yeah yeah and so

during my ayahuasca experience and I had met the guy putting this together but I had this like it told me I was going to be like the first person um to like be asked to participate in this and and then And it told me this one, like, scientist was going to reach out to me. And, and then, and then it was like, it was like, all right, now I'm going to, like, give you this, like, download. Are you ready? And like, yeah. And then, and then I just, like, it just felt like, like a lightning bolt, you know, really did.

Yeah, I started, like, fucking vomiting and stuff everywhere. Which everyone's worried about the vomit during Iowa. That's reasonable. When you're on Iowa, vomiting is the least of your concerns. It's an intense experience. And like, I swear I like felt the whole fucking house shake. And so afterwards, hours later, I was like, hey, did anyone else, like, feel the house shake? And like, some people over on my side of the room were like, yeah.

And then she was like, oh, you know, it rained recently. I wondered and like checked the foundation and there was this fucking enormous crack in the foundation like right under where my head was I was like that is that is strange under your head yeah yeah I'm like that's strange yeah and I'm always just like tripping be you know tripping's crazy just crazy shit happens like I've had a thousand trips I take it with a grain of salt you know and and then um um and then um um But so I leave and I didn't have phone reception and and and well on this like mountain. This is such a fucking cliche story. It's a fucking mountain with no phone reception doing ayahuasca. And I get off and I have phone reception again. And it's from this guy, Daniel McQueen, he goes, he's like, oh, Shane, I saw, I saw you're coming through your, you're in

Colorado crazy question we're doing this whole press release tomorrow with the DMTX study and we're wondering

actually if you would be interested in being the first participant and us like announcing you during this the shit that they just just told you

and I was like the trip just told oh okay Yeah, like, sure. I mean, like, I'm interested enough in a four-hour DMT experience. Like, I'm just going with, you know, I haven't come down, really. Like, in hindsight, I just, I realized that I had never, I just never really integrated. And, and then I, like, check my Twitter DMs and this fucking scientist that I've talked to months earlier messaged me at the same time.

I was like, what the fuck? It was the same. And so then I go to this DMTX thing. And I'm, there's this guy, Andrew Gallimore, talks about DMTs and neural scientists and stuff. And he has a whole, we have different takes. He's been on my, here we are podcast. But his whole take is that you are actually talking with entities that are in different dimensions. And this is how and this is, there's all these.

different dimensions according to the laws of physics and this is why your brain is under these states able to tap into this and I'm like yeah I don't really buy it but um but I'm like sitting there watching that while they're like announcing me poor and like like hey I'm gonna do this weird thing and and and and and and I'm like in hindsight very manic now and not realizing it and so I'm not sleeping, like sleeping an hour or two a night. And then the next week I was just like sleeping an hour or two a night. And I was just

like obsessing. One of my first science shows is going to be about time travel actually. I just like the concept is funny. And I just started like obsessing about ideas of like how you would test this and and like

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I was like I think I'm like making all these drawings and discovering new kinds of math and shit I'm blabbing anyone's ear off that will listen and and then and so I'm already you know getting there I'm like you know this is how a mind slowly falls apart and and I a week later I had I had tickets to Roger Waters the guy that flies the inflatable pig for Roger Waters is is a is a fan of mine like show you dude I've been to pig Floyd I've seen the pigs bounce on the fucking silence is that right Yeah, yeah. He showed a wild fucking world.

It was so weird. I was doing my psychedelic show in San Diego and I'm like signing merch and stuff afterwards. Someone goes, hey, what's your favorite band? I was like, well, Pink Floyd is like a classic, you know, big influence as a teenager. And next guy's like, hey, did you say Pink Floyd? Come on. What are the odds? And that's your job. Right? That's your job. That's crazy. And, uh, yeah. And, and so. I'm, um, um, uh, uh, so losing your mind. I'm losing my mind. I have free to free tickets. So I'm going to get like VIP like tickets or whatever to Roger Waters and I have like friends and stuff, uh, that I'm bringing with. And and I'm losing my mind. I'm in Milwaukee. My girlfriend came out. She's concerned. Um, but and and we had plans to eat mushrooms with friends that day. And she's like, I don't think you are in a place to eat mushrooms right now.

Like, do not eat my. And I think I'm okay. And like when you're manic, you're like, everything's fucking great. And I'm solving puzzles. I'm figuring out the universe. And then I had this idea. And it was, it was right before going, I was like, you know, I was like, if I was in the,

this DMTX. So say I was under, what I would do, I'm only going to tell you this. What I would do is, is I would like tell whatever these entities, if they're like time traveling, whatever else, in that space, I would tell them to arrange it so after I'm out of the space, because I'm sometimes fairly coherent when I'm in like a DMT space and I can like communicate with these things. We have these long conversation. By the way, DMT can feel like you live like a thousand lifetimes like when you come back here it's like oh i forgot that this is a thing that i'm ashamed in a human oh wow this is you can forget like this feels like a sliver yeah compared to the thousands of lifetimes that you just live and and uh that might sound like an exaggeration but

they ask people that have done it years ago on the crab feast we had a guy um Steve can't well Steve can't end well is what we nicknamed him he had told us Salvia story. Oh. And he, it changed my whole. Yeah. Just view on. This right now.

Yeah. Could be the byproduct of two aliens, 14 goddamn rocks in outer space that way, smoking their space dust. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he got stuck in the Salvia world for, I think it was seven or eight years,

where he finally convinced himself that that. That was real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And then he wakes up in there. And he realizes that it's been in our time one minute. Yeah. And he, I was like, whoa. And I'm thinking, well, 10 minutes in that world is 70 years. That's a lifetime in our life. Yeah. And that's when it really opened my mind up to like, oh, fuck.

Yeah. Yeah. We could just get good, go. And that could be a fucking those alien smoking rocked. could be a product that that, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I hear you on the going. And it's also why I'm such a fan of all these psychedelic artists that are able to pull out

recollections of that space. There's an artist Selvia droid. He often deletes his stuff and then starts reposting it. It has his own stuff going on. But he captures the Selvia space in a way that makes you go, I don't want to do Selvia. I don't want to fuck it. That's cool. That art's real cool and no thank you.

Yeah, no. But so DMT had already started getting weird for me and I had already kind of like stopped doing it frequently. But anyway, I was like, you know what I do in this DMTX? I would tell these things just to test it to prove to myself that it's not, you know, time travel or anything. I would tell them to have and like go back in time and then have when I come out of this experience, just have someone hand me like a manila envelope with something meaning. meaningful in it that's like really meaningful to me that I wouldn't even know what it is and then I thought Why would it have to be then? Why wouldn't it just like if I'm going to do it in the future? I could just have them send it back to me to today

Like I could just have someone send me a manila envelope I'm starting to feel like I need to go get it over Christ. Yeah, and so then once I had that idea is like so that's ridiculous then and then I like it cleared my head. I was like you know what? I think I think I I'm sane. I think I just went a little crazy for a week. I think I'm good. It doesn't matter. I just had some bad ideas. So self-checked yourself there. Okay. Yeah, like I was able to like

rationalize everything and it like calmed everything down. And so I'm like, I can do mushrooms. So I go and I I gobble some mushrooms with friends and we're in the like a backstage-ish area of Roger Waters, and

and dude comes out. And he's like, oh, let me see your tickets. And I show him to him and he looks and he's like, he gives me this weird look. And I'm like, what? He's like, I'll be right back. And then he fucking comes back with a manila envelope. No, come on, dude.

And I was like, the fuck is happening right now. And he's like, here you go. And he gives me it. And it's a fucking signed photo from Roger Waters and this like upgraded like family section shit and stuff. And I'm on mushrooms right now. I'm tripping balls with a bunch of, and I just like had to sit down. It took my brother. I was like, what the fuck is happening?

And then I saw, which was, this was 2017. And he was still able to like really fucking. perform and incredible show like but but i'm like thinking i'm communicating telepathically with roger waters things are getting off the handle now you know and like after the show i need to tell everyone how i fucking figured out some new kind of math and self-time travel um and so now my girlfriend's like really fucking concerned we had to fly back she was like worried i wouldn't even be able to like hold it together on a flight she was right like i was really really fucking losing it and then um like a week went by of her just like hope and i'm gonna like calm

down and and now i know i'm going crazy uh like i knew intellectually i was completely losing my mind i'm like i can't stop like i'm writing all these like weird formulas and stuff and i'm like getting paranoid and i think every time i like see like i walk past someone i i think they're like communicating with me telepathically and now everything is like everything's one thing and I can't there's no there's no and everything's very self-referential so it's all about me for some reason and I'm like a little close to the sun bro oh yeah wait you landed on the sun it sounds like you landed on and so like everything is like it's like if you move your arm and like a bird flies and then a train horn goes off that was you're converting or it's coordinating me

you can't tell which is which is did the train move my arm or do my arm make the train i know it's one of those two things it's got to be one of those oh shit so when you what do you do to help yourself and so all this whole time the thing is is this is like the stuff that i studied is like is like cognitive biases in the predictable ways in which the brain errors like egocentrism um correlation and causation type stuff, inability to like classic egocentrism things and like why we have like negativity biases and how confirmation bias works and how it can flavor conscious experience. And these are all,

I mean, I have like flashcards. I regularly look through checking through cognitive all the ways in which brains can err. So this is stuff that I study. And it wasn't that like I knew. Like most of Shane knew he was going crazy. Like 98%. It's just the 2% that was like, but maybe.

It was like it was such a powerful point. Like I would have ideas that like I once thought I hacked into the White House with my mind. I thought, we might want to bleep that shit. Hacked into the White House with your mind. Why in case I did? What even mean, though? Are you mentally walking around the White House? That is that, dude, if you get a fucking call from what you know, bro, we'll let you know.

Hey, we heard someone hacked into the White House with their mind. What does that mean, though, in your mind? Are you, like, walking the halls? Like, what is, or do you mean their, like, their security or what do you mean when you say that? Like, what's happening? I thought like, I guess the easiest way to explain it was that this entire universe was like just, you know, an illusion that I was somehow controlling. And this was, this was right when the Trump North Korea, this was the little rocket man comments and stuff. So like the first like threat of like nuclear.

And so like I thought this was, I thought this was like a reflection of me. I thought this is like my own inner turmoil being expressed of this thing and I had to calm myself down. Are you saying that out loud to anybody? No, not this part. Not this part. I'd be like, all right. Because I was already like one foot in a psych ward and I knew it. Like there was like a lot of talk.

You knew you were headed that way. Oh, she was, you know, getting friends involved and stuff. And like, you know, having, you know, good caring, understanding friends. trying to help and and um and i just couldn't i was sleeping like an hour to a night oh shit i mean this is going on for like that alone that alone of no sleep at night lose your mind too and there's something that like when you're on in that state there's like your something wants you to stay awake so it will just use whatever emotional state that i can so at first it'll be like exciting ideas but then it'll be like paranoia then fear and just like whatever

hyper emotionally salient thing will like keep you awake it will utilize to like just so you won't sleep basically and um like there's something about that state that wants to like keep your attention in it it's fucking scary and um and so finally she takes me to a hospital um and like here's how fucking crazy i agreed to go to a hospital because i convinced myself that I had trapped Donald Trump's mind in my brain. You're like that, look, listen, I'm not going because I'm crazy. I'm going to fucking sedate that fucker.

I'm going to you say that many of them? Before he blows up the world. Okay, so you're on your way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so like I'm fucking gone. That is gone. And I remember I got to the hospital and and like you know walking and like any homeless person i see is just it is like uh i think they're

like communicating with and then it's um so my my vj that does the visuals for for my shows and spends things in real time to bring the stories to life he has a fantasia do you know what that is it's where you can't see anything in your mind's eye like picture an apple right now you kind of picture an apple. People see gradients. They see maybe like a flat gray apple or a flat color cartoon apple. Some people see like a ripe apple like I do. And I like have hyperfantia. Well, in this state, like your mind's eye like takes over your vision. So anything you like, you see like a homeless person and all you just see like all of the world's homeless. It's all like the scariest. You see like a dog shit or something like that. And all.

all you see is like intestines and all that near like fucking horrifying. Like you can't even see like a wall in front of you. And and so I got there and I, I'm explaining to the doctor what a genius I am. Are you showing them your equations? Like, look at this right. And it's also weird because I like interview all these scientists and I'm a stand up comedian and I've been on TV and so So it also sounds like crazy things that crazy people would say, but I also do those things.

And so I'm like, no, you don't understand. I have like this deal with Universal Studios. I need to get to L.A. That's like, my girlfriend ended up to be like, well, that's actually true. But also, but also he is crazy. And so the doctor is finally like, listen, like, you see those cops over there. like you can either fucking take the sleeping pill or we're going to have those cops involved i was like fine is that right they just knocked you out yeah and then i got the first night's sleep i

had gotten in forever uh like weeks and uh woke up like eight hours later and felt like good enough that take some more shrooms no i mean i also wasn't sure they could have gone that your first Sure. Oh, yeah. I mean, it could have gone that way. Absolutely. I didn't think of it, Ryan. Yeah.

You were too busy to solve the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, you felt good enough. So felt good enough. Well, I was sane enough to kind of like talk myself out of the hospital. Whoa. And, well, first of all, is it a 5150?

Is that? what it is the hold they have you in like what are they putting you in not yet okay we'll get there uh no no but um so on your own recognizance yeah they say he's he's talking a little more normal day we'll let him go and i attributed this to me actually like being sane again come to find out it just is very hard legally to like keep someone like against their okay so if you said i want to get the fuck out of they kind of got to let you know yeah yeah yeah like i've heard you haven't been a danger to anyone or anything like that either so it's i have an eye doctor friend who told me this story that once he who's he he does uh like he does plastic surgery and stuff but then he'll he'll go through cook

county to like give back a little bit once or twice a week and and uh you know these fucking awful cases and teach new residents and stuff and he had this guy like oh yeah this guy he he he was uh he broke his handcuffs and um and um he um he decided to like he got some sort of thing to like jimmy opened the handcuffs and broke them and then he took the part of the handcuff that he broke and he swallowed it like the evidence like he swallowed like he showed me the x-ray of it and it's crazy and then they're like the little stuff and he's like well what do you bring me in for and he's like because the piece that he broke it open with he decided to jam it in his eye he just jammed this thing in his eye to like hide it or something and he's like okay so we got to

get it out he's like no he wants to keep it he wants to leave it in there listen and if i see that guy in prison i'm looking the other way i don't care if it's five foot two it's my A fuck fuck's got a piece of handcuffs sticking out of his fucking eye. And they're like, well, you can't let him keep. And he had to be like, well, is it like endangering? They're like, no, you like miss the eye. It's like the eye socket. And they're like, it can still see.

And like, well, there's like, you can't take it out against his will. Like you can't. So there's just so that you need to bring in someone to like take away the power of attorney. Like that's how hard it is. So you're free to go. So I'm free to go. And so. I just start ramping up again.

Like I just, I slept for a night. I just start ramping up again. Crazier this time. Go back to the hospital. A week later, I'm much crazier than when I thought I had trepped the president in my mind.

And they put me in some like next level thing. Is it a room? Are you by yourself? Are you solo in there? There was some other people you could hear, but I was solo in there. the room yeah sedated me again same thing i'm like cognizant enough the next day i'll let you out then ramp up again and like within a week or two like my parents are called people were involved

i ended up basically people had to like trick me into giving away my power of attorney then they put me in a psych ward is that right yeah who do you give it to uh i think i give it to my parents yeah so now they're in charge of whatever happens yeah you don't even get to wake up and say i feel fine i'm I got it back, but yeah. I hope so. Yeah. So now you're in there, in there. Yeah.

And what do you have to do or show them in order to get the fuck out of there? Well, what do I think I need to do? Let's start there. Let's start with where that brain is. The brain that trapped Donald Trump's got ideas. Let's hear. You got ideas up there, bro. Oh, my God.

So, first of all, and I didn't know this until this. second i've been to psych ward twice now the second time was not drug and related though it may not have ever happened had i not opened my mind up in this in this way you know the first time can i just say this real quick um you know we're talking about roger waters all this shit you know you know's you got to know about sit barrett oh yeah yeah yeah yeah sure yeah yeah sure you know about all that oh like that's a guy that took too much yeah yeah yeah crazy fucking i also have a cousin who was the same thing. Absolutely. He took too much. Yeah. He's now, he's bipolar, paranoid schizophrenia. He's probably in his 70s now. He's never been able to hold a job in and out of halfway houses and hospitals.

And, you know, just a mess. But it was the, he was our say no to drugs campaign in the family. Because he was my dad's first cousin. And he, and they were bros. And he was like, Ryan, he was great at lacrosse. He's a black belt and karate. Like, this dude was not the guy you now know that just has the long stairs and you know he'll chain smoke cigarette Shane this motherfucker won't pull it that he never puts it that he never puts it that

yeah yeah yeah I get it he had poetry written all over his walls yeah because he was said at night when he he would pass out doctors would come in through his window yeah put liquid acid in his ears render him useless take skin samples from them for whatever

they need well you know And then he's rendered useless at that point. That's the sample from people who no one will believe. We'll start getting me into the crazy. So he would say his girlfriend would come over at that point. And he's incapacitated. So the poetry is stuff he wants to tell her. So when she gets there and he can't talk, she can read the walls.

It's everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was one time I would go and every now and then I go, and we sneak him some weed and smoke weed with it. It was just crazy. But one night, I'm at his place, and he's got the TV on with the volume down and the radio on with the volume up. Yeah. And Shane, at one point, it merged and it made sense.

It worked. Everything that was on the TV. And I was like, I got to get the fuck out. Is this contagious? It's crazy contagious? Because I was like, why is that lining up so beautifully? I'm getting to fuck out of you. Yeah.

Oh, I mean, the mind's just going to do that. I mean, it's the power of suggestion, suggestions stuff. Like, I always,

when entertaining, I would often, you know, have like a David Attenborough documentary on the TV and then, um, just for ambience and then I'm,

some playlist going, everyone. They don't need to be on drugs or anything that comes over. It's like, what, what is this? And you can try it yourself. And like,

oh, that's just, it's just on mute. There's a play. How, it sinking so perfectly because this is our consciousness really strives for coherence and so especially when when we're in these altered states your brain wants to put together something that's wants to make it all make sense sure some like yeah needing poetry or that you solved time

travel and that's why you're experiencing all of these things whatever it is all right so i derailed you we're we're back again so so yeah so So what I found out is, at least in my two experiences, small sample size, is like, so you're, you go into a psych ward. They don't tell you like, hey, here's what to expect in there. Well, heads up. Here's a frequently asked question. You see? They don't prep your shit, man.

You believe it. They'll ask you if you want to be sedated. Because they'll take you in there. So you just wake up inside. I don't know. I don't want to go that route either. Anyhow, what they ought to tell people from someone that's been through it a couple times is that, or have like security like curtail this a little bit, is that what happens when you walk in a psych ward is that the craziest people in the psych ward want to throw like a welcome party for you. They're like always very interested in who like the new person is.

and there's like especially if it's like a dude they want to like establish hierarchies and things like that and there so this is like this isn't like jail like establishing uh you know hierarchy through like i'm in this gang and i have these huge muscles you know i'm in charge around here this is a crazy person this is interesting because we're talking about a normal jail situation which is physical and muscles this is all mental what's this motherfucker gonna bring in here what's this guy gonna come tell everybody yeah so it's just they want to like fucking know who you are and they and they don't know if you're like an undercover cop or like whatever they're off on their own fucking paranoia and everything and and so you get in there they're fucking shaking you down for information then they're giving you a fucking let me show you around like i don't i'll sort it out like i don't need the tour from you you know like and and and and you know it'll be it'll be a lot of like sage wisdom they've been in there for a while would be like hey they don't eat the food they poisoning yeah like a lot of stuff like that

then you're like wait are they you're fucking crazy too and it's like well they have more experience with this than I do are they poisoning the food and also uh when you're like hyper because I wouldn't know what to believe so if I'm already going crazy and I'm in around crazy. That seems to like it would cancel itself out. Let me tell you where my head was at going into the psych ward. I thought that things I had been putting stuff out. I was still recording my podcast somehow and like pulling off like interviews where people

didn't know I was crazy for a few. That's impressive. And, um, and I was putting in like little, uh, no, I was. testing ideas that like everything gets captured digitally and eventually things will have like the accumulation of everything that's tested and then once time travels is discovered they'll be able to go back and influence like these little butterfly effects along the way and let me see if I can get these things to like influence and interact with and create these like changes these are some of these ideas that I'm having while also trying to talk to smart people about like how dung beetles

behavior, whatever. And so I had the idea that because I had this documentary coming out and becoming the psychedelic comedian, that there was like, I was going to influence like the deregulation of psychedelics and their drugs or something. That was going to like, and that was going to like hurt the cartels. So there's like cartel from the future was coming back to like stop me from doing that that's where my head was at. I thought when I was going into the psych ward, I thought it was a building that had been constructed by like the cartel from the future to like stop me from like whatever powerful ideas that I was having or what they weren't powerful.

I checked the notes afterwards. They were not powerful ideas. So how long? you in there? Like seven days. Wow. So not that long. That's long.

I think it is. Well, so I did take the medication that they gave me that time and that actually did quiet things down quite a bit. But it was insane. It was like, you know, I would start. Wait, I'm sorry. What are they giving you to kill the fucking MDMT and DMD or whatever is MDMA and DMT and Shrooms and LSD?

What's canceling that out? Alanzapine, I believe. That's something that they know will just knock that shit out of you. I hope I'm getting that right. Alanzapine? Yeah, mood stabilizer. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's more for acute.

Because then I was supposed to like theoretically transition into lithium eventually. But seven days. Okay, I hear you. That's not that long. But for me, in a terrified, mental state, I feel like every day. So you're already paranoid. You already think like the cartels trapped you here. And when you walk in, you think everyone's watching.

you and now you do have they are professional people watching you and taking notes on you and you're watching what do you have to show them for your parents to be able to say he can leave because isn't that the way it'll work now because you don't have your right yeah yeah yeah basically there there's you start taking meetings with therapists and stuff so one one thing is one one one hack want to get out of a psych ward in a hurry just start fucking cleaning up everything just start cleaning up orderly and get orderly and neat

because crazy people aren't and not like in a you know OCD kind of way. I don't really remember every person that's been here and that's that there

swears the food's phenomenal. Really? All of them. Like not just good. They remember it being exceptional. Every person who's been like food. I don't remember it being bad. I just don't remember it very well.

I mean, I think it changes the flavor if you, you think there's pills and poison. Let me ask you this question. You're doing all these things. You're showing them that you're able to get back to normal function, whatever. Are you lucky that you didn't, it didn't open up that portal like a Sid Barrett or my cousin where you're permanently like that?

Oh, yeah. And are you scared of that now? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have been. I definitely like. So there's a couple things. about it. One, going back, one last little thing that I'll warn people about for the psych ward is the other thing is, is it feels like a puzzle that you need to solve in terms of how to get a, what you'll

think is that there's some sort of test that you have to pass that's like a hidden puzzle. And then what they do to, because they have different people coming in and out through the day, so they have like color coding things on doors. So a new staff member can readily see a situation that they're walking into and they don't tell you that got a blue square you think you got to like figure out why the blue's that color it's just for them and i'm changing things and so i'm trying to figure out how to get out and i'm like oh maybe it's no and then you see people wearing like different things so it's like and you don't know what is this person actually in here is this person a test so it's like oh maybe it's regular shirt on hospital pants no socks and you go and change

and then other people crazy people see you doing that now they all change the same way and now you're influenced so no we're all like no we all have like one fucking sock on is that how you get out your guess is as good as mine and then the other thing was I had when I was first making this

documentary Psychonautics I was like such an evangelist I mean I still psychedelics can be incredibly helpful for mental health I still use them sometimes for mental health way more cautiously than I used to but I mean I had an absolutely life-changing experience not too long ago when I was like fucking had some dark times recently and helped me but um I I I had like an immediate disclaimer in the in this because I

basically was like hey I want to show people that you don't actually go crazy and then I fucking went crazy so you know there there wasn't we didn't need to put a thing yeah in the beginning of it that's like careful like it's watch you'll see you'll see you'll see you'll see, bro. Exactly. So it's like, you know, psychedelic communities diverse. And I'm kind of known as a guy that's like, I've had these wild experiences. And I have like somewhat grounded compared to a lot of people's perception of it.

Because I've had these unhinged experiences. But my interpretations of them are like, you know, somewhat grounded. I don't think that they're a cure all or anything else. I'm like a little skeptical of some of the pseudoscience surrounding it. I'm a little skeptical. of the modern like gold rush kind of in the capital. No, as soon as corporations get involved and the government gets involved, you know how that goes. And it's also like there's not much money to be made off psychedelics because you're doing it like once a year.

You know, it's not like weed or you can smoke it every day. Where are you on the microdosing of it and all that sort of stuff? I was such a skeptic for a long time. I'm open. I've never had an experience that. So I've tried microdosing for depression because, you know, I've been scared to do like. you know any large doses ever since this was 2017 and um and so i'd been you know pretty you know careful since that time and um and so i had tried microdosing for these depressive

bouts like i told you i normally had done large seemed like it made it worse for me i don't think i'm not organized enough to do like the pulse dammit stack of like this is what you're supposed to do on these days or whatever i think that the safe of it is one of the big selling points. The efficacy, I don't know how much better it can be than a placebo. I don't know how much better it can be than like an antidepressant necessarily. I'm also like, I mean, you know, I've been skeptical of pharma my whole life, but I've also spent enough time in the psychedelic community to be like, you know what?

Maybe some fucking rigorous studies. And the mental award. Yeah, yeah. Dude, this was great, man. Thank you. Thanks for coming on and doing it. Before we wrap up and promote again, advice you're given to 16 year old shame moss. Can I throw one in? Oh, fuck yeah, man. I've never done this before. Great is good enough. Great is good enough, man. Yeah. Hell yeah. What would you tell 16 year old Shane Moss? Don't ever fucking drink alcohol or cigarettes. Honestly. That story, that story that I just told you. told, you know, it was hard on everyone else. It was harder on everyone else than it was on me. It was embarrassing for me. It was scary. I never want to experience. I did experience something

somewhere, but for another time. But it was also interesting. It gave me a lot of empathy for people that go crazy. It got me more interested in how the mind works and how it can go off the rails and it gave me a unique perspective on that. I've learned so much. And so, you know, I've made the most of it. I can't say that about, you know, my alcoholism through the years and stuff. I mean, you know, I had a pretty successful early career and stand up and wasted a lot of it, drinking my life way and screwing up and blacking out like crazy. So if I could tell 16-year-old Shane, it'd be stay the fuck away from alcohol. And cigarettes, and it's, some of those, I mean, some people can handle.

alcohol. Not me, man. I was just straight fucking beer bongs and hard liquor right from Jump Street and like, you know, crushing like, last time I was drinking like, oh, I'll drink wine to be like sophisticated. It's like three, four bottles of wine lit. Fucking stupid. Stupid. You know, just annoying. I'm so happy that I'm not drinking at the moment. I'm

sure I will be again in a few years for a little while and then I'll have to do with all this again. But it's fucking alcohol, man. As crazy as that shit is that I just said, alcohol is worse. Listen, I believe it. I'm with you. I don't drink anymore. Yeah, yeah. Dude, thank you. Again, right there, please plug all of it. Yeah, Trips. My new psychedelic comedy adventure, if you want to hear the highlights instead of the low lights, check out Trips. It's the two part. The first dose is like mushrooms LSD 101 type stuff on 800 pound gorillas and then the the second dose which will be available for all May 19th, but you can get at early access. Bicycle Day April 19th. Talking about DMT, ketamine, some of these out of body experiences, some of these wilder adventures, ayahuasca and stuff, and representing all of it in real time with visuals and incredible artists that were able to articulate these experiences.

And I can confidently say there's never been a comedy special like it. You're damn right. Good for you, dude. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. Go watch Shane Special. As always, Ryan Sickler, on all your social media. We'll talk to you all next week.