The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler - 406: Jack Osbourne: Life With and Without Ozzy Osbourne | The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler #406

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

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and fifth, get your tickets now to all shows at Ryan Sickler.com. The Honeydew with Ryan Sickler. Welcome back to the honeydew, y'all. We're over here doing it in the Nightpan Studios. Ryan Sickler here. Thank you guys, as I always say, for supporting this show, for supporting anything I do. You know what we do here. We highlight the low lights.

I always say that these are the stories behind the storytellers. I am very excited to have this guest with us. First time here on the honeydew, ladies and gentlemen, Jack Osborne. Welcome to the honeydew, Jack Osborne. Thank you, thank you. Bro, it's early, so I'm going to hit you hard with some energy. Okay. First of all, thank you for being here.

No worries, thank you. You never met you. You've come. You've been nothing but polite, kind, sweet. Flip the table in a little bit. We can do it at the end. I'm very excited to have you here. Before we dive into whatever we're going to talk about,

right there, please promote everything and anything you would like. Sure. Okay, head over to SparkTV.a.i. It's this new channel that I started with some friends and it's kind of all things paranormal, wuggy-buggy, like UFO, ghost, whatever. It's all there. It's a fun streaming network. We've got like, you know, man, it's probably a couple thousand episodes of like new original content already. That's what I want to ask you. So it deals with paranormal. So what are we dealing with over there? So we've got stuff on ghosts. We've got stuff about like, you know, ancient culture, like ancient alien stuff.

We've got a ton of UFO stuff, a lot of consciousness stuff, some like health and wellness and alternative health. Any mediums? Oh, yeah, we've got some mediums. Have you decided to talk to anybody on the other side yet? I've had, well, uh, what I've tried to talk to your dad yet? No, no, no, not yet. No, I don't know. I've had some, like, because I've done like paranormal TV shows for a long time.

And so I have, I have really good friendships with a lot of the mediums I've worked with. And so there's been some, you know, some phone calls that they've kind of hit me up with. But, you know, I kind of, it's nothing that I'm like actively seeking out. It's like, all right, you know, something comes, it comes. But I'm not like, are you out there? Yeah, yeah. It's like, I don't need that. What about, have any of the people you've worked with, I was telling my daughter about this the other day,

helped solve crimes or anything like that. Yes. I know sometimes they will go, even if it's a last resort, they're like, let's go. And then sometimes it pans out. Yeah. No, some of the mediums I've worked with have actively worked murders and missing post in case. That's wild.

That's the thing that is more impressive to me than whatever might be over there is that you can really help while it's here. 100%. Not just tell me something that's being said over there, but you're making a difference. Here is wild. Yeah. That's really cool. It's called SparkTV. SparkTV.com. Dot AI. And that's on any streaming. Yeah. Yeah. It's on my Roku or whatever.

I don't know. No, we're not on Roku yet. But if you just go online, you know, it's kind of web streaming right now. We haven't quite made the App Store jump yet. All right. Yeah. We will. Well, I'm excited and unfortunately excited to have you sit here because I too am part of the Dead Dad's Club. I was telling you before we recorded my dad died when I was 16. And my dad was my fucking hero. Yeah. And I don't know how yours wasn't. Oh, obviously. However, I want to talk to you about Ozzy the dad. Sure. Because, you know, he's Ozzy Osbourne to everybody across this rock and outer space.

And you've been with them for 40 years and you've seen everyone and or hurt all the, hey, your dad, your dad, your dad. But what is it like to have not only Ozzy as a dad, but to be gone now? Like, you've lost your dad. You're a man with five kids, five girls. Five girls. And you're on this planet now without a dad. And what is that like for you?

It's, you know, it's evolved. It's still early days. It's strange, you know. The further, you know, the longer it goes, the more you kind of realize like, oh, wait. You know, I was having a conversation with a woman who works with our family. And we were just talking about how, you know, my dad was like the, he was the quiet glue. You know, he kind of held it all together. And now that he's gone, it's like this strange like, oh, wait, where, you know, in her case, like, wait, where's Ozzy with this and his opinion on this?

And I think a lot of people wouldn't have expected that from my dad. You know, I think the public perception of him is that he was kind of checked out and just kind of in his own world. But he certainly was, you know, as much as people thought that it was a very matriarchal family with my mom kind of a dad. Yeah, for sure. It was, you know, it was much more kind of him holding it down. Yeah. I don't know that people ever thought he was not dialed in or whatever, but certainly you're the fucking Prince of Darkness.

And there is a, there's a role that comes with that. Sure. Yeah. So I always looked at him as like the wild, the wild, loud, crazy guy. Yeah. You know, not that he was not checked in with his family at all, but just certainly not the what you're saying, like the quiet reserved, hey, let's go talk to Ozzy about this real quick. Yeah. And he would have really great advice and really great feedback. 100%. And people

miss that. Big time. Big time. That's nice to hear, actually. Yeah. They're not going to him for the wild crazy rock and roll stories. They're really going for him for real life shit. 100%. And like, what do you think we should do here? And like, what's your thoughts on that? I mean, it's so much of it. And, you know, my dad was, he was like a, he was just, he, he, he knew everything that was going on. He was like such the observer, you know, he was, he was the quiet guy in the room often that would just be kind of sat back, just taking all the chaos in and knowing exactly where to put it. What do you, what would surprise us to know about him as sort of, as a dad? Like, did he like board games? What are the, did he take you fish in?

Like, what are, what are some of the things you guys would do? We went fishing a bunch. He did? Yeah, actually. Yeah. It was something that we liked to do. Yeah, I mean, not like, it wasn't like an every weekend thing, but I have quite a few memories of us fishing together. He taught me to hunt when I was a kid.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. What kind? What are we hunting? We go rabbit hunting. Okay. Yeah. And so, like, that, he kind of got me into that.

And, you know, I've, like, the moment I turned 21 and had my green card here, I was like, I'm buying a gun. Yeah. I'm going to do. I'm and we he kind of my love of shooting and kind of came from him. Um, yeah, he was, you know, but the thing with my dad is like, there's like, there was like phases, you know, that, that he kind of went through. You know, there were times where he was super present and like involved. And there were times where he was dealing with his own demons and, and checked out. And there's no, that's no secret there. Um, you know, a lot of it heavily documented on the show.

And, and so it was, uh, but. But throughout at all, he still was that very kind of consistent, I guess, grounded advice when it when it was needed. Okay. What was he like as a grandfather? He was very, he was funny, actually. He was really, he didn't really know, like, you know, he had these weird things where he was like, he would always be like, if he was in bed, you know, with my mom or whatever, he would always be like, he would always be like. Like, I don't, the kids aren't sleeping in bed with me. No way.

No way if the kids, you know, they were little. It'd sleep over whatever. He was like, nope, not happening. He would like get up and leave because he was like, I don't want them saying like I was in bed with my granddad. Like, what, you know, he was always kind of bound. I see like when that later in life. Yeah, exactly. He just was like, boundaryed with it.

He's like, no, that's fucked. I don't want him. Not that anything fucking weird. Yeah, of course. But he was just like, he was like, not. But he's on a different level of a filter that the rest of the world doesn't have to worry about. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. But he loved him. And it was funny, like, well, sort of funny. A bunch of, I mean, if you want to, I know this is not a podcast about good things. But like, in the year before my dad passed, like, a bunch of, like, fucked up shit happened in my life. And I had to move back in with my parents for a bit because I had to shut my company, that whole fucking thing. We can, we can really dive in that if you want. I want all of it.

But I ended up moving back in with them for like, like four or five months. Your whole family? Yeah. So me and the five kids and yeah, which was awesome. I'll bet. I'm telling you, the times in my life when everyone died and we had to go live with an aunt for a little while, whatever, my cousins are there. It's the, it was the whole best of times, worst of time. 100%.

No doubt. And it was, yeah, and it was kind of like a thing I look back on and I'm being like, oh, man, what an amazing gift ultimately to be, you know, it was like 30, 38, 39 at the time. When was that 30? I was 38 when I moved in. And it was just such an amazing gift to be like, great. I'm here. My kids get all this time. And, you know, none of us knew that what was going to happen. Right. Yeah. But just to have that time and the connection and the memories and just all that. It's just the greatest gift ever. So why don't we talk about that for a little bit? What happened with you? You, so what happened? I had, so I was making a lot of TV shows at a production company. And I was doing a ton of TV shows for Discovery Channel and travel and all that. And then TV took a swan dive to Shipville. And then we pivoted and started doing a lot more digital content. I started something called Osborne Media House.

And at the time, my parents had this business manager who probably, you know, can't go into too much detail, but not the best. And made some, you know, basically was like, this a tariff. idea. And so the whole company had restructured to do digital content. And then all of a sudden, you know, I was, I was funding it with my parents. And then they were like, we're listening to the business manager. We're not doing this anymore. And literally just like pulled the rug on it. And so I was like, oh, hmm, okay, like no TV jobs, no nothing coming in for the digital space anymore. So I had to shut the company down. And all of a sudden, I'm like, hmm, well, now I can't, can't, can't pay rent. So our fantasy commission says for him it's all about the friendships.

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Yeah, they were like, yeah. I secretly think maybe it was their plan all along just to be like, why don't you just come live with us for a bit? I like it. Yeah. No, it was okay though. And, you know, and, you know, there's been a, you know, but it's been a, it's been a hard few years for sure.

I mean, from work to dad, I mean, those are, major changes in life. Big time. And then moving also. You got to move in and then you got to go find a place. Those are. And that's just the tip of the ice book. You know, my,

tell me. Oh man, my fucking accountant didn't pay my taxes for three years. Yeah. How do you find out? Because you get a letter in the mail from the IRS being like, we have a lien on your house now. And I'm like,

what the fuck? And so what happens in a situation? Like, because we hear this a lot. Yeah. People get fucked over by their family or whatever. Oh, man. So that guy,

you're hiring to pay to do this job and he doesn't. Is he embezzling the money or is he just not fucking, is he fucking off? TBD. It's, I don't, wait, I'm like digging through it still now. I'm still figuring it all out. And part two is, does he, shouldn't he go to jail? I would think so. Because the funds were there to give.

Yeah. And some of it, some of the fucking taxes, it wasn't like it was like, fucking 25 grand. Like, for one of the, I was like, what? And he's just not paying. And then the fucking penalties on top of it. Oh, dude, it's insane the position I'm in. And then he didn't properly secure my mortgage on my house. He somehow got a fucking bridge loan at like 10.5%.

And I'm like, what the fuck happened here? And someone like this won't go to prison? It's, well, you know, when you basically sign all these documents saying that they're not responsible. So it's like, I mean, but then it's, okay, in order to. kind of push this further. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal. And you're like, okay, I'm already, you know, I'm already in a not such a great position right now. And so it's, yeah, it's really, but it's the game that I fell into early on when I started making money. Because when I started making money when I was like 15, there was no apps. There was no,

like, web banking. There was no, you hired an accountant or, you know, business manager and they were like, don't worry, we got you. This is how it works. And you're like, okay. And so for most of my, all of my adult life, I just trusted these people to make choices on my behalf and whatever. You're like, okay, great. Well, this guy fucking just bent me over and fucking went to town.

Yeah, in every way possible. Oh. Yeah. Like taking out all these loans in my name. Yeah. So he knows what he's doing on that side. Yeah. And so I'm like kind of, you know,

Now it's all, you know, still still in the thick of it, figuring it out and trying to get it all solved. But, like, having to deal with that. I was going to say, you don't have enough shit going on right now that that is. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking ass kicker. I'm sorry, dude. Hey, but it's honeydew, right?

I mean, that's what we're here for. All right. Let's go back to the beginning for you. Talk to me about just being little Jack and, like, what you remember growing up with dad. Yeah. I have so many memories of that. I think, you know, I'm sure you experienced this with your kids, but your kids will remember anything out of the normal routine, right? So I never really had a normal routine. I was

constantly traveling with my dad on tour. You were. So you didn't go to normal grade school at all? I did. But in England, the way the school system works, you have shorter, like bigger holidays, but you get some cool half term. So every six weeks, you get a week off of school. Oh, okay. So we would go and kind of take these trips. often and then there would be times where I would just get pulled out of school and go on tour for three months. So I spent a lot of time on the road with him. And who's making sure schoolwork's getting done? Mom or nobody? I mean, Randy Rhodes? I was good. Yeah, there was, it was, schoolwork was not the priority for sure. Yeah, we're not the most academic of family.

I just, and I was super dyslexic. School was always like a struggle. for me. There was nothing I ever. You're dyslexic? Big time, yeah. When do you realize that? They started realizing probably when I was about 10 or 11. And what is it for you? What happens when you? For me, it's like, it's reading something and then like holding on to what I've just read. It's sometimes putting like I'll read stuff. I'll read it wrong. I won't see it just, I'm kind of all over the place with it. I'm not like a consistent. But mainly it's, it's, reading and and holding onto what I've read.

Comprehension? Yeah. I might have that shit then, dude. I can't tell you. I'll read two pages and I'll snap out of that. I got to go back and read it again. Yeah. Yeah.

Man. All right. So being a little kid, you're out with dad, traveling around. Yep. When do you get the regular moments? You know what I mean? In a situation like that, where's dad? And do you always call them dad?

Always dad. Always dad. Yeah, always dad. Yeah, regular moments. there were a lot. I mean, but it was regular for us, right? Like, he would go and, you know, we'd go on tour. And, you know, my dad didn't really leave the hotel room much when he tour.

So, you know, it was a lot of time in the hotel with him or. I'm mad. He can't go anywhere without being mobbed. Yeah. Yeah. Back then it was, and I try and explain it to my kids. I was like, you can't really, like, fame now versus fame back then. It's very different because it was an echo chamber back then, right?

You had the radio, you had MTV, you know, a few cable network. It was like it was more, the world was smaller in what, with how people got exposed to stuff. And it gradually was growing. Not like today where it's instant, instant, instant, every single time. Yeah. Like you could be sat next to someone on an airplane that's got 20 million YouTube subscribers and you have no idea that fuck they are. Yeah. But you would see someone who had a top 20, I couldn't tell you who has got a top 20 song now.

But you would know who they were. And she, you know, my kids just don't really, it doesn't really make sense to them. Yeah, I think it's interesting. There's so many people throw the word fame around, especially in comedy. Like, I'm famous. I'm like, no, you're not. You're not fucking famous. And then they'll say, well, I'm kind of famous.

No, there's fame. And then there's popular, ranges of popularity. Yeah. You're incredibly popular. You could even be famous in your genre. Mm-hmm. You could be the most famous fucking conductor. Yeah.

Nobody would know who the fuck you are. Yeah. That's not fame. And if you stop doing what you're doing today, will they remember you in five years from now? I don't like them, but Michael Jackson, that is fame.

Yeah. That is fame. Oh my God. Yeah. Going anywhere on this rock and people are like, that guy, old ladies, people who don't even speak the same language.

Yeah. You can't say that for these comedians in this genre. There's so much popularity today that I think fame, I don't know, I can't think of the last, like the youngest person who would be considered famous these days. I would say maybe like a Billy Elish. Yeah. I'd say Billy Elish. Taylor Swift. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, like, I think Taylor Swift is, but it's not what it used to be. It's a handful. It used to be like, like, you know, new kids on the block. Yeah. like freaking. And then they're everywhere. Yeah. But there's also only three, four TV networks at the time.

So you're only getting these things, not 800. Yeah. You know. So you're a little kid out on the road in and out. Mm-hmm. And then getting into some mischief. When do you realize this is not a normal life? Because when it's normal to you, look, even people I sit on this show with who are physically abused at their house.

And then they go out and they're like, oh, what's happening over there is not normal? Yeah. When does that hit you that this isn't a normal thing? I always knew in a weird way. And I don't really know how to describe it because it just always was. You know, when I was, I was born in 85. And so at that point, my dad had already been a rock star for 15 years. Like, he was well established.

And so it wasn't like he was, you know, in the garage with his guys. And then all of a sudden he made it. And then it's like this different life. Yeah. He was always this thing. I think I always knew, but then there came a flip where I began to appreciate what he did and what he does. And that was probably when I was about 12 or 13, when I started actually, like, actively listening to his music and kind of recognizing the impact that he was having, you know, within kind of his genre. And that's when I was like, oh, okay, this is a little different.

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Not someone else. Yeah, why listen to this? And I'm like, yeah. Do you have a favorite song of your dads, whether it's from Black Sabbath or Ozzy? I mean, it just depends. Like, there's so much, you know, this, you know, this, I, it's, I, as I was explaining, I was explaining this to, who did I say this to the other day? I was like, you can't look at like, Ozzy and Black Sabbath is the same thing. They're two separate books in the same universe.

Yeah, absolutely. And so it's like you kind of, like there is that separation. Yeah, it's, I don't know, like the Sabbath stuff is kind of stands on its own. A lot of, you know, my dad's solo stuff. There's, there's not a song where I'm like, fuck, that song sucks. Even the stuff that over, but and over time have kind of become to appreciate. Like, my dad was never a fan of the album Ultimate Sin. He used to call it the Ultimate Bin.

Why? He just didn't like it. He didn't like how it got mixed. And, you know, he didn't like a lot of, I think it was just the time period. It was peak 80s hair band. It was hair band. Yeah. And so he, but like, there's a lot of really good songs on that.

Shot in the dark is so fucking good. I started the other day again. I was like, this is great. That little, we have some synth in there. Yeah. Yeah. He just didn't. he didn't but I think you kind of have to when you understand the era and you understand the

time you're like okay like that is a perfect snapshot of like hard rock metal in you know 86 87 so how does jack osborne create him's own identity sure not just be Ozzy's son the rest of your fucking life well that that's gonna be I always said this I was I could reinvent the wheel and someone would turn around be like well you only did that because you're like I could fucking kill cancer. Oh, you only did that because you're all his son. I always knew that. That's why I never wanted to do music.

Because I'd seen growing up how many kids of famous musicians tried to, I mean, there's a handful of musicians that came from very well-known musical families that made their own real impact. Like, Miley Cyrus, like, that's one. And, you know, freaking Nancy Sinatra for a period of time. Like, it's just, it's a, it's something that I just didn't want to ever do. And I just, music, I just, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't have the ability to make music just. So what were you into? What did you like? Oh, man, I was really, I, I enjoyed the, the, the, the industry side of

things. I enjoyed the, the business side of things. I would always, I was always getting, you know, I was always been taking a little meetings with my mom and I, I, I, I enjoyed that. I thought it was a lot more fun just because you kind of, you know, I saw it as a way of a bit more hands in the kitchen, if that made sense. So I would help out with Ozfest early on and, you know, helping pick bands. And there was a time where I worked for a record label. So, yeah, I was just the business side of things. And then when we did the Osbournes, you know. How were you when that first started?

I was 15 when we started filming. And what happened was the show Kind of completely changed my direction My kind of direction in life Because I never thought ever about being on TV ever It was never Can I think some old-ass philosophy I had I thought reality television

Was gonna go away like disco I thought it was the disco of TV And it just nah It became everything It changed everything It did I called it the hip hop of TV because when hip hop came around

everyone had that attitude of what this is this isn't music this is gonna be gone in in a couple years yeah now you're just doing it right here on your phone and everything like it really took off yeah and you guys are at the beginning I like to think I mean no disrespect to the Oz no no no I like to think maybe the OJ chase

might have been the beginning of reality TV I'll do what he meant to the beginning cops for sure cops was really the first and then it was like the real world and road rules And then OJ busts loose and everybody ran to that TV and watched that court case. And I think that was the beginning of like, yeah, we got something here, everybody. I can remember the, I mean, speaking of doing stuff with my dad, we were camping in England the night. It was the night for us during the chase.

And we were sat around the camp by listening to a radio of the, we were listening to BBC. Not football. No. But didn't they actually have it on the football game? Did you, have you ever seen that? There was a, there was an NFL game. And in the bottom corner, they had a little screen of the OJ Chase while people were watching. I'll have to look.

I always thought it was in the summer. And it might have been, it might have been preseason or something like that. It might have been. Yeah. It's wild. That is wild. Yeah. Tell some stuff about your dad.

We would never fucking know. Never know. What would surprise us about your dad? You know, I think people that were fans of his actually kind of knew this about him. But, you know, he was really. At home, he was, he was very mellow, very quiet. It seems like it. More of an introvert?

Way more of such an introvert. And so he would just turn it on for work. Yes, big time. Okay. Big time. Yeah. He, no doubt big time. What a switch.

Yeah. Also imagine all that adrenaline and everything for two hours has got to make you crash hard after that. Yeah. I mean, think about it, right? And it's funny. Like I, I still, you know, everyone was making a huge deal because it was, you know, Shane Gillis doing that.

show to 80,000 people, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, doing a show to 80,000 people, not that it wasn't a big deal, but like, that wasn't, that wasn't abnormal for my father. Yes, it wasn't, you know, if you would just do, you know, for a big gig, yeah, it wasn't always a big gig. But I always think it's funny when, you know, when you hear, listen to a podcast and all these comedians are like, oh, we sold out like Madison Square Garden. And it's like, that was a fucking normal day.

That was a Wednesday. day. Yeah, that was a normal day. So I'm sure you can relate to that adrenaline of when you, you know, you are in front of an audience that's bigger than not like anything like that. You're like, okay, like this is a thing. I got to be on. Yeah, I did the forum with Tom Segorro a couple of years ago for the Netflix festival and I couldn't get over that. Yeah. I did the San Jose arena and I was like, okay. But every fucking night of that. And there's a, there's a reason why every actor wants to be a rockster. Because there's like, there's a, there's a power. to that, right? Like you, and you've experienced it. You stood there and you're like,

there's X amount of thousand people here and they're all listening to me right now in this moment. And I'm controlling it. Yeah. It's wild. That is a while feeling. Yeah. It's, it's, what's the biggest? I know those, like, in Brazil, they have 100 and some thousand. Yeah. I mean, what's the, I think maybe his biggest was like some Russian place or something that has. Yeah, because he did the Moscow Peace Festival and that was, I think. That's the one I see in the video where it just, I mean, literally a sea of people. Yeah, like 500, You can't even see it. Cal Jam was like 500,000 people as well. But solo for him, just him was probably something in South America, you know, 80, 100,000 people. That's nuts. Yeah. Yeah. What's, um, what did your dad like to listen to around the house? Oh, a lot of Sinatra. Okay. Beatles. So he still liked his roots and stuff then. He, any, and he purposely didn't like listening to new stuff because he didn't like. want it to kind of percolate.

Like, bleed in. And all of a sudden he's coming up with a melody line that he thinks is his, but it's actually from, you know, something he just heard.

And so he purposely wouldn't wouldn't listen to a lot of new stuff. Did you ever help him write anything or create anything? No, I never necessarily. I didn't really help him. No, never really with his music.

Did he do all his lyrics? No, he didn't. He didn't. My dad's big thing was because he never, he never was trained. He never went to school for music. You know, he couldn't, the only instrument he could really play was harmonica. But his thing was melody lines.

And like that was where he really, that was his strong suit. And, you know, he wrote a lot of his own lyrics when he went solo. But most of the lyrics when he was in Sabbath were written by Giza Butler. And he never was one of these artists that pretended he wrote every. He never was that because he's like, no, like, I know what I'm good at. I know what I'm not. I know when I need help. And I'll, you know, and I'll say it.

You know, it's like, I mean, going back to this, but like you look at a Taylor Swift album, you turn it over and it says written and produced by Taylor Swift. Yeah. Well, that ain't fucking true. You know, it's like, things called buyouts. And like, that's what's happening there. I'll pay you to shut up and put my name on this. Exactly. Yeah.

And 100% Taylor Swift is fucking. talented, beyond talented. Yeah, no doubt. But she's not writing all that music alone. Like, it takes a village. Yeah. What, um, when do you realize that your dad's not well? At what age do you say, all right, dad's sick?

So it was actually, he got diagnosed with Parkinson's during the Osbournes. So 20 years, you know, 20-something years, 25 years ago. Do they know what it's from, Jack? Like, can they, is it from drinking? Is it from? No, or is it just a genetic thing? It's just a genetic thing.

And have you been tested? So I, well, actually, I have multiple sclerosis. You do? I do. Yeah. So I don't,

and for him with his Parkinson's, it was something he was born with as a, he had a, he had a Parkinson's mutation that he was born with. And so we, we were aware of it back then, but it was very manageable. And it wasn't,

it was kind of like in the time period where he, it started to kind of, kind of become a little more pronounced. And then he ended up taking that fall. And when he took the fall and busted his neck is when things kind of began that kind of seven year clock, if you will. And so is that what it times out to be about a seven year decline? Yeah.

Yeah. And there was stayed, you know, there were ups and downs with it. But it wasn't, it wasn't, yeah, he had a hard time really bouncing back. Did you ever have a conversation with him about. look, this is inevitable and it's coming in what we're going to do or no? No, no. He would, my dad was like the king of dark humor and joke. He would always, well, you know, I'm not going to be around much long.

He would, he would, it was just his, you know, Midlands, just humor always coming out. We'd always, oh, shut the fuck up. Like, you're going to live forever. And, yeah, but it was, you know, it was a thing where I kind of, I saw it for what it was, you know, and I know enough about, you know, the human body and experience to kind of know that, like, when you're his age and you had the injuries he had with the Parkinson's and it's like... And the lifestyle and... Yeah, and it was, but here's the thing, the lifestyle to that point wasn't, he was, he was fucking

healthy as shit. He was, he was eating healthy and, okay, he's going right by himself. Yeah, he was doing good right up until that fall, like, you know, and... What happened? How did he fall? He got up in the night, take a piss. and came back to bed and just tripped. That's it. And yeah. I fucking hear this all the time.

No pets. There were pets, but they were. I always think that's what gets us when we're older. I hear about these people fall and I'm like, my dog's under my fucking feet nonstop. I mean, do you know that, have you heard the statistics about breaking your hip or your leg is it off to the age of 70 or 75? So if you've always heard that when the people fall and they break their hip, it was actually broken and that's why they fell.

Oh, interesting. I've heard that stat. Oh, okay. So there's statistic, I think it's 70 or 75. If someone falls and breaks their leg or their hip, statistically they have about 18 months to live after that break. In our 70s, that's it? Yeah.

Fuck. That's a year and a half tops. Yeah. Why? What the fuck happens to us? A body in motion stays in motion. So once you kind of stop, you know, a broken femur or a broken hip to a, you know, 70 plus year old person is, it's a that's a hard one to kind of recover from yeah so i um i have a blood disease called factor five

where i clot okay so that's death for me okay if i can't move i'm done i think about it all the time like one of those rascals is going to be the death of me yeah literally because i got to get up and move my machine yeah absolutely yeah how did you find out about the um i clotted actually first i had kidney stones and my both my legs clotted like the veins you could see them and feel them. Yeah. And they were like, this is not normal for kidney stones. So it was a six-month ordeal of blood test.

And they thought I had lymphoma, leukemia. I'm still seeing an oncologist. And they were like, you're, you got to go see an oncologist, but don't freak out. I'm like, I am freaking out. That's a cancer doctor. Yeah. Like, what do you mean? And then the guy gave me his personal cell phone number.

I said, I've never been more scared. I'm fucking. Yeah, you're like, wait, why do I feel better? It's not a good thing to have a doctor's personal cell phone number. But I had a moment where when I went in, this young lady was, you know, she was taking me back to see him. And she had my results. And when I got done, she goes, how do you feel? And I said, I just feel relieved.

I feel like a monkey off my back that I don't have cancer. Thank God it's something else. And she goes, listen to me. My job every day here is walking in and telling people they have cancer. today I got to tell someone they didn't and I know that might be just a relief for you but in my world you go fucking celebrate that shit right now yeah and I was like I am and I went you know that's her job every day is you do you do you do and for her to be like I got one that I didn't I made her day yeah I can made my life so now I got to watch what I have blood thinners and I just have to make

sure I keep my machine in motion there's nothing you can do dietary or whatever It's just hereditary, which is something. So then do you have your kids been tested yet for any of this stuff? No, not yet. No. Yeah, no, it's definitely something that is, you know, comes up. Because it's like, we're not, certainly not a family that has like, we didn't win the lottery health-wise. Like my dad, you know, had his issues with Parkinson's.

And my mom had colon cancer and all that. So it was, you know, it's definitely. How does your MS affect you? I'm really lucky, man. Like, it's not been anything crazy since I, so when I got diagnosed, I, what prompted me to go to the hospital as I went. Thank you. I was going to say, what made you want to fucking go and check that out? I went blind in my right eye.

What? Yeah. I was like, what? Just woke up and you just woke up and there was a little black doll. It looked like those old film like, you know, little blips. And then throughout like a 48-hour period, it went from kind of a. dot to like a cigar shaped and then like an L and then it was black. I had I was I had lost about 95% of my center vision all I could see was about 5% of my peripheral. Damn. Yeah, it was black.

And so I was like, well, I need to go to see the eye doctor because I can't see. And so I went to the eye doctor and you know, being a he was an ophthalmologist, he can't diagnose a neurological disorder, but he knew what it was. And he was like, hey, I think you need to, I was a was at his office and he's like you need to go to cedars right now and i'm going to tell them that you're coming and you need to go get an MRI immediately and i was like an mri like what the fuck it's my eyeball like what's going on he we don't know so i went in and you know got checked into the hospital and first they were like it could be a stroke and then they're then they were like no this is looking like ms so and that's something that happens with ms yeah so well that's that's the

really difficult thing about diagnosing is because ultimately it's a autoimmune disease, which your body attacks your own nerves. So anywhere where there's a nerve in your body, you can have an issue. And so for me, in that instance, it was affecting my optic nerve. And so that's why I lost vision. And how long before it comes back? It's different for everyone. After doing like a heavy round of steroids and, you know, treating it, it probably came back

within about two or three months. Months? Yeah. Holy shit. But it never came back fully. Like my, I always say, yeah,

I always say like my right eye, my left eye is like HD TV and my right eye is like TV from the 70s. It's just kind of washed out. Standard death. Yeah, like it's standard death. Like I can, I can still see there's no blind.

I used to not be able to see the color red, which was very strange. With the one eye? With the one eye, yeah. And now you can see that? Yeah, but it's just not. Like, if I look at your little old bay, Like it's like it's just washed out.

It's not as vibrant. Huh. Yeah. But then I have like then realizing that I had MS, then I did a bit of, you know, wait a minute, 18 months ago, my legs went numb for a for two months and three months. And so yeah. So I have a, yeah. And what do you get now?

Like now, I've been, I've been really, really good. I think the stress of kind of the last year kind of took its toll. and I was having, it felt like I had road rash from like my mid chest down, like all over my body and legs. So like it hurt to wear like trousers. Really? Yeah. Yeah. That's like shingles.

It sounds like. Yeah. That's what I hear all the time. My brother just got it. And I got my, I went and got my fucking vaccine for it right. Hell yeah. After he said that, he said the bed sheet hurts, Ryan. And I was like, fuck.

Yeah. It was fucking not fun. Yeah. Not fun. Man. So what is it like to be a dad on this planet without your dad? Oh, man. It's a good question.

Well, I'm very outnumbered is the short answer. You know, I've got five daughters, two sisters and mom. I have a half-brother from my dad's first marriage and, you know, and I have a nephew there. I see them a handful of times a year. So I'm very much outnumbered, you know, my buddy Kenny jokes that I'm in an estrogen headlock. So I definitely feel the void of having, not having that kind of other male kind of presence to, you know, commiserate with. Yeah, it's just, it's really, I'm still getting used to it. So I don't necessarily know if I have like a, oh, this is what it's like.

It's, it's, but it's, it really is, it's just a void, man. It's just like, where's that presence? How often would you go to your dad for dad advice? It was never like a deliberate thing. It was more just we spoke a lot. We talked just all the time. And so just having that soundboard. And my dad was never, just his nature being what it was.

And then as his kind of health deteriorated, he wasn't the biggest conversationalist all the time. He would have his moments. But just having, you know, I can just remember talking to him and just about, you know, the kids are doing this or, you know, I'm going to fight with the wife, this, that, and the other. And, you know, he would just have these, like, one-liners. You know, he's like, he would be like, he would always say, well, you know, everyone's always like, oh, you can't live with him, can't live without him.

He'd be like, can't live with him, can't kill him. Yeah. Yeah. just shit like that he was the king of like one-liners and just he was he just always had this this sage

very quick wisdom it wasn't never this long drawn out like sit down son yeah here's how I'm gonna tell you how this is it was always like this really kind of tight feedback is there anything that we as fans

don't know about your dad that would surprise us hobbies interests I think most of his fans knew his art prolific artist like when the fuck did he have time

I mean we he and he's got MS Parkinson's yeah he yeah I mean he's good he did about we're still counting it all but it's like over 2,000 paintings holy shit yeah and where would he go

he had his art room where he had all his supplies and just go and do his own things for the day and then you wouldn't even know. You're finding work right now that you even know he did? Stacks and stacks and stacks of it. Yeah. You have any up in your home? I do.

Yeah. What resonated? What did you like? Well, it was like there's like a huge, there's an evolution with it. He'd go through phases, you know? He would do stuff where he was just doing these little dots to make pictures. And then there was stuff, there were times where it was like super psychedelic. There were times where he would like experiment with watercolors.

He mainly used like felt tip pens. Mm-hmm. Um, but his stuff is so, uh, it's just trippy. Like, his stuff is really, he's a artist for sure. He's not just a fucking rock and roll singer. Your dad's an artist. Yeah. And he never, um, never wanted to do anything with it.

No, no. Just like to do it? He just liked to do it. Yeah. And he spent so much time doing it. I mean, there's paintings that we found that go back to like the early 90s. So from like, okay. 91-ish till the, the, the,

the day he, the day before he died. Would he find inspiration while painting for writing and stuff? Or was that just a nice checkout from the noise of having to be, you know, I got to be performing and writing and not working all the time. Is that just a nice checkout? I think it was a checkout for sure. But I also think it was, he got inspiration from it or he, you know, he would, he would be inspired to do it.

It was a, you know, his, yeah, I just think it was just an outlet of his that he, that he wasn't beholden to anyone through. Like he didn't have to, he didn't have to do it. He wanted to do it. Yeah. No contracts. Nobody up your ass. You got to get this done.

We got to go out on this tour. Nothing. It's just my time. Exactly. There was no. Yeah. He didn't owe anyone money for it or he didn't. It was just pure, it was a pure outlet for him that he didn't have to.

It was just because he wanted to do it. Mm-hmm. He also seems like a very loving man in the, sense that he loved at least what we see company yeah you all around the animals all around like it seemed to be a more the merrier and i'm okay with that type of thing for him but he was not social was not social or like even with you guys or like when you bring friends home yeah with us he would be and friends he didn't he was not overly thrilled when friends would i mean did he ever have a friend that you brought over it he was like don't bring that motherfucker around anymore um never with me

Never with me. Your sister though, yeah. We'll leave it at that. Never with me. Yeah. I could read the room well. Gotcha. Gotcha.

Actually, there may have been when I was like a teenager, but other than, like, in my adult life, never. So he would just hello, be polite, and then he disappeared or whatever. He wasn't hanging out and saying, how's your life going on? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He, yeah. Very much so.

Yeah. But even in his own life, he just wouldn't, you know, he didn't have, you know, he wasn't hosting parties. He wasn't doing like, oh, come over to my house. We're going to have a dinner this evening. Like, no, he was not that guy. Did he have a best guy friend that he would throw with at least go do something? Like, what would he do that wasn't music related with his buddies? And were they in the music world?

Sure. Yeah. A lot of his friends were in the music world. A lot weren't. Yeah, that's what I want to hear about the people that weren't. Yeah, but a lot of guys he met just in recovery, you know, and, you know, so through the rooms and he would, you know, have friendships there. But a lot of it was also guys in the music industry.

Like he, when he got an iPhone and he could text, that kind of opened his world up majorly. And he didn't actually get an iPhone until probably, it wasn't there. It was probably 2010 or 11. is when he first started, like, texting and he had his own cell. Because he never, he just, he's his assistant. You would call his assistant to get a hold of him. But like, he loved texting and, you know, having good back and force and a lot of just dark humor. You know, people think that text chains are bad.

You should have seen some of his. I'll bet. All bet. So, yeah. What about soccer? Is he like sports? No, not a sports guy. Not a, not a, not.

He loved boxing. Boxing. Loved watching boxing. Why? What was that? I don't know. He just enjoyed. Did he have a favorite?

I loved Tyson, which was great because he ended. The heyday of that was just something else. And then later in life, I don't know if we'll ever see anything like the Mike Tyson fight. Like, we would get together. I'm East Coast. I'm from Baltimore. I mean,

it would be a Vegas fight. It wouldn't come on until after midnight. My dad, I have memories of him delaying going on stage because he was watching Tyson pay-per-view. We're all out there away. Yeah, and he's like watching the paper-due. Usually in his defense, though,

usually those fights were over pretty quick. quick. So that's why he was like, yeah, whatever. It was, as I remember, it was the, it was the holy field bit the ear. That's a legendary one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No shit. Yeah. That's fucking funny. And he actually became friends with, like, with Tyson later on in life. And because my dad, I guess Mike Tyson would raise pigeons. Like, that was his thing. Yeah, yeah. He loved pigeons. And my dad, when he was a kid, that was like a big thing in his neighborhood.

So he knew a lot about pigeons. So they would, oh, and they bonded over the birds. They would talk pigeon. No shit. Tyson and your dad talking pigeon. Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah. It was pretty funny.

What an interesting bird to bring those two people together too, right? I had this idea of doing, I thought the greatest like buddy comedy would be to have them do a movie about like planes, trains, and automobile where they're trying to get home for Christmas. Fuck yeah. And it's them like stuck in an airport being like, shit, we got to get home. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah. That was funny. What, um, can you tell me some of the last.

conversations you have with your dad? Did you know the end was going to be the end? Did you ever get the fucking have a heart to heart with them? Thank them or... 100% I did. You did. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't want to go too much into it. I understand. It's so much. The way I've kind of said is like so much of all lives we kind of gave publicly. And so it's like there are certain things that I just don't, you know, I don't want to get too deep into, but we certainly did, you know, without giving it. giving out details on it. But like we,

but you did get to have a coherent conversation and not when he was laid up. No, yeah. It was, it was, I think it was in March of 25. We sat and talked for like seven hours. Wow.

Yeah. That's fucking, oh, seven hours. And that's a different type of dad too. Oh yeah, big time. And it was,

it was about anything and everything. Yeah. You know, it wasn't, it was just, we did the whole thing. Did he ever express any regrets your dad? As a young man, he's right into music and stuff.

Did he ever? Yeah, yes. But I, you know, there's in kind of the looking back on like the last seven years, I think, you know, if my dad had stayed kind of where he was before the accident where he was just like, bra, like he was on red, he was touring. He had another like three years of touring lined up before his accident. He did. Oh, yeah.

And then it was a Vegas residency. It was just go, go, go. Like, I think the save, if there is a saving, if there is a glass half full component to my dad being laid out as much as he for as long as he was, is that I think it kind of forced him to slow down and like really just take it, take inventory. you will reflect a little bit yeah and just kind of come to terms with some shit and and i and i and i choose to think that that's what a lot of of that time brought uh you know amongst all the discomfort and shit from it because there certainly was no shortage of that um but no it's i i i don't think there were many huge regrets um did you ever meet his parents no no my uh they were both gone before you were born.

Yeah. What were, did he ever tell you what they were like? He loved his dad. Oh, him and his dad were like, yeah. He was really, and it was his dad musical? Was anyone in the family musical, mom? Yeah, but it was like, um, like pub musical, you know, could rattle some keys on a piano and sing a pub song kind of thing.

And, um, but I think what, you know, my, my dad said a time and time again, you know, owed it all to his father because my grandfather bought my father a PA when he was starting out. And that's how my dad ultimately got hired or met the guys in Sabbath. I mean, he knew them from school, but he went to a local music store. And he famously wrote this note that says, Ozzy Zig requires gig, has his own PA. And back then, if you had your own PA and you were a singer, like, you were a, you got the job. You were a step above. You didn't even have to be good.

Yeah. And the little note had his address on it. And that's when... That little PA. Yeah. And it's also while, like, he knew these guys from school. Yeah. It's rare to meet people in school and then you become black fucking Sabbath.

Like, you know, in the age of super groups and all that shit, for these guys to meld together and then create something that, last forever. Totally. And it's and the weird, we, so before it was Black Sabbath, it was,

it was a band called Earth. And they ended up having to change their name because of, it was already a bank called Earth and, you know, and they were changing, musically, they were kind of evolving into something that wasn't traditional blues, you know,

what would become, you know, hard rock, metal or whatever. But, uh, we actually just got, We managed to get it back from the old manager of Black Sabbath, the original Earth demos.

Wow. Which is just wild to hear because it's Sabbath before it was Sabbath. Yeah. And you're kind of listening and you're like, they were 18, 19 years old. And you're like, what fucking 18 and 19 year old is making music like this? Yeah. That just doesn't. Like, what is that?

And it's so strange when you kind of think about these most. moments in music, right? When just someone is doing something differently, why that happens or what it is, is it, you know, divine inspiration, is it just luck? Like, what is it? But like, you can absolutely kind of hear that in these demos where there's veins of Sabbath, but there's also veins of like what they're kind of evolving from. And it's really, it's really kind of fascinating to hear. Yeah. When do you realize, oh, this guy's not just my dad. This is fucking the world Ozzy Osbourne.

When does it hit you that it's just bigger than your house and your family and your mom and dad? It's kind of a tough question to answer because it, no matter what, he's still my dad, he's still the guy not letting me fucking go outside and, you know, or like telling me I have to be home at a certain time. It's still, there's still these parental kind of blockades that I'm hitting. He's not, you know, what he was to me, he was only, there was only, you know, and I've said this, there was only, there's a very, he was Ozzy Osbourne to the world. He was, you know, whether you knew him from TV or whether you knew him from his music, but he was only dad to five people. And, yeah. And so, like, it's a, it was a very different, um, I think it's a, I think it's a, different, just my experience of him was, was my experience with him as a father and only as a father.

Yes. And I'm sure you can relate to that. I mean, what did your father do for a job? He worked for Ann Am as a crew chief for the airlines. So you knew your father as your father that had a job. Yes. But the people at work didn't know him as your father. him as the crew chief. Oh, he's, it's crew chief. You know, it's, there we go. And so it, it's a really

kind of strange question to answer because it was, it was, I, you know, I had such a, an individual unique relationship is really, it sounds like that mom and dad did a good job of that. Sure. Yeah. They were definitely, they certainly tried, you know, I was not, I was not an easy teenager. That's, that's for sure. I don't know one that is. Yeah. This is. I don't know one it is. And also, if your dad's teenager, then yeah. Yeah, I fucking burned it down. That's for sure.

Yeah, that's why I ended up in that room right behind your office at 17. All right, I have a two-part question here. Do you have a favorite song and has one become a favorite since your dad's past? Has there been a new song that's, has it been a new song that's, that's read? resonated that didn't as much before. Yeah. Mom, I'm coming home or any of those that now or no? No, there is.

Let me think. Favorite song, I think my favorite Sabbath song is, man, God, it's a tough, Sabbath-wise, it would probably be, like, symptom of the universe or children of the grave. I like the wizard. No, the wizard's a good one. Wizard's a good one.

Did your dad play that harmonica on that? He did. He did. You said to your hormone. That's him. Yeah. man. He famed, I would always, but when him and I were doing the, we did a show together called Ozzie and Jack's World Detour where we traveled around and, I don't know why this happened.

He did, we were in the car and driving and he, and he just got this harmonica. He's like, oh, yeah, I really like this harmonica. It's in the right key. And I was like, what key is that? He's like, it's in D. And I just looked at him. I went, D's nuts. and he was just so like

what the fuck and it just stopped in motion I just deezed nuts to him as often as I could and he would just just hearing that you're these nuts and Ozzy nuts

he just fucking looked at me like what the fuck did he ever use it on anybody hell yeah he picked up on it real of course he did yeah yeah So yeah No shortage of these nuts

Um But then I got So to answer your question Probably I don't know I think I listened to a lot of It became my Just my kid started liking it And I was listening to it a lot

Before he passed was The ballad so tired Just a good song Yeah totally underrated And then do you like ever just float Through your house and the kids are watching Something and there's you know, there's crazy train on, what the fuck, trolls.

Was it trolls? One of those. And do you even know it's in there? I know you might not be in the fiber of every business, but you ever call it by surprise? Yes. He did an episode of bubble guppies. Nah, the little cartoon for kids? Yes.

He played this like evil fish. And I had no idea. And I was in the other, it was, and it was not recently. This was probably 10 years and longer. maybe it's 10 years ago he did it. I was in the other room and I was like, the fuck, and I go in there and he's this villain fish.

And so there was stuff like that that would like catch me off God or wait, that's in this or like a, you know, a song will be in like a trailer of a movie and I'm in the theater and I'll see the trail on. I'm like, oh, I didn't know that they would, they put that in it.

But for the most part, especially now, I'm so much more involved in helping my mom with the family business stuff now. and I'm really kind of like, you know, in it. So it's a kind of, I'm aware now. I'm curious. You said it's been about, what, 14 months that your dad passed?

Just about. I mean, my dad died in 89. And there's moments where I'll be in a grocery store or something and I'll hear a song. Something will take me back. And I'm just, I'm just welling up in the fucking frozen food section. Yeah. Has it happened to you yet where you've been caught off guard. And what was it?

What got to? Big time. Oh, man. What's kind of. Because for you, your father's in the fiber of mute the world. You're never going to be able to run from. And I at least get a little fucking relief. Yeah.

But when's it been a day where you just went out, you're doing your shit in the last 14 months and boom, it just gets you. I'm trying to think like when the last, I don't know, it comes and goes. It's usually when I'm, I've been, I've been writing a book. Okay. And it's, you know, like I was born. I'm kind of, it's like a collection of essence.

days and it's been it's been hard doing that um and then it's kind of just just weird moments it's usually when i'm like talking to him about the talking the kids or listening to certain songs where i'll remember that time period when he did the album or when he first played me the song whatever like that kind of stuff kind of kind of gets me but it's never uh It's not been like a, I haven't, well, actually, I don't know. There's, there's just been weird shit that's happened, like, weird stuff where I'm just like, the fuck simulation are we in right now? And, um, and that, that kind of gets me, that catches me off guard.

So, yeah, there's, there's definitely been, you know, I was, I was telling this story on, I was doing this other podcast and they asked me a similar question and I was talking about how I was flying from, I had to go down to Mexico to go film something for Spark TV. And I had to change my flight because a huge storm hit Texas and I had to get rerouted through Guadalajara, then up to LA. It was like a whole fucking hellacious day of travel. And I was at the airport at like 4.30 in the morning, had my headphones on. I was in a bad mood, pissed off, not feeling very good about myself, being like, what the fuck am I doing this, whatever? Marching through the airport and someone comes running past me and like bumps me and and my instant response is like the

fuck like you know you have the whole no one's here why are you bumping into me kind of thing and I look up as this guy's running past me and he's got a big black Sabbath patch no yeah you got it just let back and I'm like okay message received well then yeah on my connection to guadalajara they get me off the plane, put me on this shuttle that drives me to the complete opposite end of the terminal, only to get off this shuttle to come out and realize, well, the plane that I just got off is the one that I was supposed to be on to now fly up to L.A. And now that's leaving in 20 minutes. And it's saying it's going to take me 30 minutes to walk. And I was just like, pissed off, like, start running. I was like, I'm drunk my shit. I start running through the terminal. I'm frantic and whatever. And I make it onto the plane.

I sit down and I'm headphones on still in my like fuck you world mode and I take my earbud out to make sure I'm on the right plane and you know they're saying where they're going and all of a sudden I hear my dad's music and I look over and there was this old he must have been 75 year old old Mexican cowboy you know just big old you know big hat on in his cowboy boots and he's just watching one of my dad's videos wow yeah Fuck, yeah. So like, I love the universe. Hello's. Weird. My dad's name was Irwin, but he also went by Lefty. And I mean, I tell my brothers all the time, my dad has showed up more in death than my mother has in life. She's still around. She doesn't show to fuck up. This dude, I went to the cemetery. I went back to Baltimore. I went and shot some content in my buddy's junkyard. And we did a podcast in the junkyard. And there's this clip, this little fucking clamp that's on something in the junkyard. and it says Irwin. I'm like, the fuck are the odds of that. Yeah, you're here. Then I go sit at the cemetery. And I sit there for like an hour before I fly back to L.A.

It's just like a couple months ago. I get back to L.A. I order some food that night, delivery guy, Irwin. And I was like, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. And I love it. I don't look for it, but it shows up. Right.

And you kind of go. I don't look for it, you won't find it. 100%. And then you kind of, I start to try and, like, like myth bust it, right? Like, what are the odds of that? I'm like, I don't, what the fuck? This, it's just weird shit.

Mm-hmm. And I don't know. I wonder, like, I don't know. I think you just accept that that's what it is from the other side and you move on. Yeah. I don't try to figure out why. But the fact that you're in an airport when no one's in it and you got in a wide-ass hallway and this guy touches you.

Yeah. And you turn around. You could have just been like, whatever and kept going. And there it is. Boom. Yeah. Or some old man watching of old. Old, dude.

Like, not like... Mexican cowboy. Yeah. Like, it doesn't even fit the profile for a guy to be watching a fucking Ozzy Osbourne music video. You're like, okay. Like, the universe is universing. All right, I got a couple more for you and we'll get you out of here. I want to know, like, what are you doing now in your home to just remember your dad?

I'm sure you already had photos and stuff. Is there anything since he's passed? A lot of talking to the kids about it, you know. They ask more questions now that he's gone and stuff? No, no, no, not anymore. But, you know, we'll just, we just bring him up and conversations. And especially with my youngest, you know, my younger daughter, well, she wasn't, she was the youngest when he passed. We since have had another, another, another baby girl.

In the last year? Yeah. Oh, congrats, dude. Thank you. Man. Yeah. You sleeping at all? She's actually all right.

Yeah. She's not, yeah. Yeah, she just hit the six month monk. So she kind of, you know, as long as my wife just keeps a boob in her mouth the whole time, she'll sleep the whole night. It's much worse, much more difficult on my wife. But, yeah, just kind of talking about him and keep making sure, you know, because I want my, my daughter was three when he passed.

So it's this tough thing of like, I wanted to remember him. So it's like we kind of, we talk about him. So, yeah. One last thing here. There's a video I've seen of you guys and listening to Randy. Randy Rhodes. You know the video I'm talking about? And for me, I don't know if your dad ever had a favorite or whatever, but I to this day think Randy Rhodes is absolutely one of the most just underrated. He was so phenomenal. Yeah. And then I just feel like he doesn't get the flowers all the time because maybe it was such a short window and he died young. But I absolutely think he's up there with one of the greats ever. Hearing you guys, seeing your dad move literally get. up and even seeing you hear that after all those years. Yeah. Was that, were they, was that like, oh, that was his, that was his guy, huh?

It was a really emotional day from my dad. That like, that day in the studio there. Yeah, when we were listening to the role monster. Yeah, that like, it like fucked him up. It did. Yeah. And I think it was more, because when, you know, when you hear in that isolated track, you're like, there's no, you can't. You're not faking. That one's faking that. There's no fucking computer that that's run through. Not then. No, it's,

that's like, take. Yeah. And that's a, and he is blistering on that. 100, yeah. And it's just,

it's perfection. And so I think, yeah, that was a, that was a cool experience. And it was really, you know, my dad was not like an overly emotional person.

And it was like, he was, he was, he was holding it back. He was. Yeah. You think he thinks back to the time. It just,

that. Oh, I know for sure. Accident just that he's gone. Oh, absolutely. Like, it was, that was a really heavy, a heavy thing for him to kind of, and he spoke about, that's no secret. He spoke about it often. I mean, because he almost died. They hit the bus, didn't it? Like, they all could have died. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hit the plane, hit the bus, and then car wheeled into, into a house. Oh, into a house. Yeah. Did anybody in the house? There was a deaf guy in the house that my dad ran in and, I ran

the house and pulled him out. Yeah, he didn't know that the house had been hit by a plane. How? He's not blind. He says fucking death. What do you mean? He, because it like hit a side of the house that the guy.

Was it in the middle of the night? No, it was in the morning. And he didn't hear a plane that, I mean, you know to your death. Seriously. And your dad ran in and was like, yo, get the fuck. Yeah, dragged him out of the house. Get the fuck out of here.

And the guy tried to fight my dad. I don't know this part at all. Fucking nuts, right? Of course he's deaf, too. Could just be normal. Could just be a guy like having a cup of coffee. Yeah, yeah, he's got to be deaf. Yeah, but that whole story's fucking weird.

It is, man. There's so many weird fucking, and like the cops, the way that they had. I mean, it was clearly that landing strip was being used for like the transport and trafficking of drugs. Yeah. And like the cops did not like, and they were clearly in on it because they tried to like blame my dad. for it in a weird way and they didn't want them. They basically pushed them out of town. They were like, you guys need to leave. So is the story true that they were in the plane, they were fucking around and trying to buzz the bus? Is that part true? Yes. And so then when they accidentally

hit the bus, the accident happens. Well, there's, there's kind of like, yes, that is a version. the kind of the theory within the family was, and the truth is that the bus driver was in the middle of a divorce with his wife and his wife was there. And they think that he tried to hit her. She was stood by the bus. And she was outside. Yeah, and they think that he tried to.

That is one theory that kind of. Like actually swerve to hit her and that's, yeah. Oh. Yeah. That is something that people have, you know, I think that were there, of thought because it didn't make sense for why he did what he did. Mm-hmm.

And they never, I don't, I don't believe they found anything like overtly wrong with the plane. Well, once you start exposing what's going on down there on that runway, they're like, you all get the fuck out of here with your shit. Yeah. That's exactly what that was. The sheriff, everyone was basically like, get the fuck out of town. Wow. Yeah. Look, I can't thank you enough for doing this.

It's been great. I'm sorry for your loss as a father, as a son. I do have something. I wouldn't mind showing you. And I'd love you to autograph it if you would. What's this? So what year were you born? 85.

All right. And you're in what, November 85? November 85. So you're only a year old here. My first concert ever was seeing your dad. No way. On the fucking album he didn't. Like is the ultimate sin.

This is at Meriwether Postpavilion, Saturday, August 2nd, 1986. Wow. This is the stub I've kept forever. You know who the opening band was for this? Was it, no, wouldn't have been Maltly crew. Nope, began with an M. Motorhead. Nope.

They were younger kids out of San Francisco. Metallica. Bingo. Wow. And Cliff Burton was alive. Yeah. On this date. I saw him.

I want to say it was a few weeks later. He died that same summer. Yeah. So this is my first concert ever. I'm in seventh fucking grade. And you kept the ticket. Forever, bro. Holy shit.

I love your dad. And the best part is $16. 16 bucks we sat in the the last row of meriweather post pavilion was uh it had a lawn seats too yeah we sat in the last row underneath we're seventh grade my buddy's brother we're all ozies fans and his older brother was really into this fucking speed metal shit we were here and come out of his room yeah and we're like who's that he's like oh this is metallica this is metallica so he turns us on to metallica way before they're you know crazy popular and then we We love Ozzy and we see the Ozzy's coming to Meriwether, but lo and behold, master of puppets, Metallica's coming to. And we're like, get the fuck out here. This dude, Jason Dan Alasky convinces his dad to take him and then says, will you guys go? We're like, our parents are never letting us fucking go. But his dad said, I'm going to take him to Columbia Mall. It was literally parked next to a mall. He's like, I'm going to sit at the mall. They're going to go to the concert right there. When they're done, they walk back over here.

we were able to go. First time I'd ever seen marijuana. It came down the road. I thought I was going to get high from touching it. We're all like going. Oh, my God. Letting it go. But it was the shit.

And this is the ticket. If you're, if you wouldn't mind, I'd love for you to sign that. Your dad is my first concert ever. And I've kept that. What, in the 85?

I'm 12. I'm 12 at that show, bro. That's crazy. Would you ever let your 12-year-old go by themselves to see an Ozzie show? You sign that on the front of that. Oh, so you, fuck, yeah. You sign it.

right on the front of that. I've been waiting forever for something like this. And you're a lefty. There's my dad coming back right there, bro. Thank you. There you go. Thank you for doing this. Thank you. And I don't know if I would let my 11-year-old go to it. Hell no, bro. When I did bring my daughters to the show, I was like, you guys don't go further than 10 feet away from me. Stay with me. Yeah. All right. Very last question. Sure. Advice you're given the 16-year-old Jack Osborne. Oh, man. Don't trust your accountants. Hell yeah. That would be my advice.

Be up that, like, I told my new accountant, I was like, I'm going to be up here. I was like a fucking sock puppet. Like that, like, yeah, don't trust your accountants. Man, thank you so fucking much for doing this. One more time, promote everything you'd like, please. Head, uh, if you want to, my podcasts, uh, it's just at Jack Al's born on YouTube and, uh, go check out Sparktv.

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