The HoneyDew with Ryan Sickler - Joey Diaz - Back to Colorado

Episode Date: July 27, 2020

My HoneyDew this week is Joey Diaz! The saga continues as we cover 1985-1986. Joey leaves New Jersey and heads back to Colorado. If you’re all in on Joey’s life story, it’s a wild ride. This epi...sode is no exception. I love Joey Diaz but he’s the reason I lock my doors, even if I’m just going to get the mail. SUBSCRIBE to my YouTube channel & watch The Dew there every toozdee! https://www.youtube.com/rsickler SUBSCRIBE to my new Patreon show, The HoneyDew with Y’all, where I highlight the lowlights with y’all! It’s been a wild ride so far! What’s your story?? https://www.patreon.com/TheHoneyDew Sponsors: Go to​ hellotushy.com/HONEYDEW get 10% off your order and FREE shipping Superhero Stuff You Should Know - Available on Spotify, YouTube & iTunes https://apple.co/3hqIO2F Hurry to http://upstart.com/honeydew to find out HOW LOW your Upstart rate can be! Checking your rate only takes a few minutes

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This episode of The Honeydew is brought to you by Tushy, Upstart, and Superhero Stuff You Should Know. More on that later. Let's get into the do. The Honeydew with Ryan Sickler. Welcome back to The Honeydew, y'all. We are over here doing it at the night pan studios. I'm Ryan Sickler. As always, Ryan Sickler.com.
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Starting point is 00:01:35 behind the storytellers and uh ladies and gentlemen it is great to have back first time here in the night pan studios ladies and gentlemen, Joey Diaz. All right. You look good, God. The mask you brought me to the podcast association has no beef with us. None. We're fucking doing our thing. Number one, I want to thank Jimmy's Seafood in Baltimore.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Fucking straight up gangsters. John Minidaga, shout out to Jimmy's Seafood, Baltimore. They sent me the dip. I had the crab cakes yesterday. You know, you gotta help out. Every week I try to throw something somewhere and I order a couple crab cakes and I'm getting two boxes.
Starting point is 00:02:16 So I want to thank you. I want you to let you know to reach out to Jimmy Seafood and fucking order something. Yeah, they do free tutation. You want these fucking crab cakes? Fuck Phillips. These are crap cakes. Phillip and his brother can suck my dick, okay? It's Jimmy's Seafood when it comes to crab cakes.
Starting point is 00:02:32 And the fucking stuff. And so let me see Rancher on the fucking table. Ruin my afternoon. You filthy fucks. It's so good. And people say, how much does he pay up? Nothing. He's a friend.
Starting point is 00:02:44 We've gotten to be friends all because of the Rogan podcast. That's it. He sent me a package. I'm like, this guy. And I do my shows there now. It's a great family business. If you're looking for the best seafood, crab cakes for sure in the country. Jimmy's Seafood, Baltimore, Maryland.
Starting point is 00:02:58 All right. Tommy, pull that mic up because that visor, you sound a little quiet on that visor. I'm all right. I'm all right. Yeah, there you go. Tell me about your new Patreon. I wish I would have had one of these when I was snorting coke outside. You could fucking just put it around. Forget the Patreon.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Let's get to the fucking story. All right, Patreon. So last time we sat down, it was the worst year of your life. We did all of 1984. So let's just start wherever. January 1985. So when we left off last time, I was pulling out of the hotel with Mr. Terranova, and the drug dealer, Joel, was pulling in.
Starting point is 00:03:36 That's exactly right. And I pulled out. And this is a story. This is funny, because I was talking to Theo Vaughn about it. What the fuck is wrong with me? What happened was this. Mr. T was a good guy. He was one of my high school
Starting point is 00:03:52 teachers, but great guy. He had gotten clean. So when I saw him, he's like, look at the fucking shape of you. You look fucking terrible. You gotta go to a rehab. You gotta get it together. He goes, I got a friend that runs a detox, so I go, alright, let me think about this, so I owed so much money, I was in so much trouble, I go, how bad would a detox be for
Starting point is 00:04:18 10 days, I go in there, he goes, they'll feed you, they feed you like a fucking king. You'll love it. So as we pulled away, I had, you know, 2,000 bucks maybe, and we were headed to the detox. It was New Year's Day. I get to the detox. I got a two-week waiting period. Why? Because everybody gets clean on New Year's Day. People went right from the fucking boozer straight to the fucking detox.
Starting point is 00:04:47 You either go to the gym or detox. It's what it got. It was like fucking Corona. It was like people were walking past me in stretches and shit. That's it. They had had enough. They were out. I walked in.
Starting point is 00:05:01 They're like, you walked in? Look at these guys. They're fucking people like swatting flies and shit. I saw him. I saw him. I was in. They're like, you walked in? Look at these guys. They're fucking people like swatting flies and shit. I saw him. I saw him. You know, I was in Columbia. People were fucked up. It was the end of 84.
Starting point is 00:05:12 So he goes, why don't we do this? When can you get him into the detox? And the guy goes, ah, I don't know what day it was. He goes, I don't know. Maybe next week, one day. Leave your number, and we'll definitely put him on the priority list. So I'm like, what do you want to do? He goes, well, come over, and you can stay at my house for a few days.
Starting point is 00:05:31 So I went to his house. He was in the program. I think the first three days, I just slept. I just basically got up to eat dinner, and I would go back to bed. So did he just assume like sort of a coach role for the week or was he keeping an eye on you or were you free to fuck up if you were gonna fuck up you know what you know what and then he had he had two kids at the time like four and two wow and he let you stay and his wife and they had a bedroom upstairs, a little bedroom.
Starting point is 00:06:08 And I just stayed in there like with a blanket I brought and a pillow and just shivered for a few days. Like I was just shaking, not from the detox or the drugs, but just of what I had been through for those five or six months. You know, I had been through a lot. It was like seven months of getting pounded, just getting pounded. People are right now. Right now, it's six or seven months. People
Starting point is 00:06:31 are getting pounded. On top of COVID, they lost their job. Their mother-in-law died. They lost a house. It's one of those type of years where you just sleep for three fucking days. I basically slept.
Starting point is 00:06:46 And he goes, listen, the guy called. He'll have a bed for you in a few days. And then we were talking, and something happened where he said, you know, I can't fucking believe it. I'm kind of light on the mortgage. And I go, how how much you like and he goes like eight bills or something something weird i go why don't i give you the 800 and just detox here with you because he was already taking me to meetings you know so i started going to meetings
Starting point is 00:07:17 with him fucking hilarious what the shit you're hearing at the meeting? By the fourth day, I was already shaken for a line. Emotionally, I was beat up. And I'm going to these meetings and these people... You know, a meeting in Hollywood and a meeting in New Jersey is two different stories. I was talking to Theo that when you go to a meeting in Hollywood,
Starting point is 00:07:39 everybody's like, you know, huggy-duggy. I remember people getting insulted in the meetings in Jersey. Like, some guy comes in, like, yeah, when I drank, I used to drink like a bottle a day. And people were like, a bottle a day? Go fuck yourself. You fucking pussy. I would walk into a bar and tell the bartender, give me the bottle, no ice cubes.
Starting point is 00:07:58 I didn't even drink fucking ice, you fucking pussy. They told me right away, first off, if you want to complete these meetings, you gotta smoke. If you're going to be sober in these meetings, it's not going to work unless you smoke. Cigarettes or weed? Cigarettes. You might as well start smoking now. So I tried it, but by then I was still an anti-cigarette. I was like,
Starting point is 00:08:17 I can't do it. And then I figured, I went to like two weeks of meetings, maybe a week of meetings, and Miami Vice was coming back that Friday night. And I made up a story. I go, listen, Friday night, I got to do something. I got to go see a guy about a fucking job. And he's like, job?
Starting point is 00:08:34 I go, yeah. This guy wants to hire me. I don't know. Let me go talk to him. And I remember, he lived in Crestville, New Jersey. I remember from going to the supermarket, I kept seeing the buses going by. That means all those buses go to New York. So I ran up to the corner.
Starting point is 00:08:50 It was fucking freezing. I ran into the city. Got a nickel bag of weed. Like I hadn't smoked in like nine days. That had been the longest ever. Since I started smoking. And I remember it was freezing out and rolling the joint on the platform at Port Authority on 81st Street.
Starting point is 00:09:11 It's outside. You're outside. There's no fucking, you're outside. There was maybe like four people shivering, and I'm like fucking rolling this joint with frozen fingers. I smoked it and I walked in. There was the episode with Glenn Fre Fry, Smuggler's Blues. I'll never forget that.
Starting point is 00:09:28 It was fucking, and tea was going crazy. Look at this. This is fucking tremendous. Did I ever tell you when I went to Columbia, I saw the coke with the fucking Galindo family. I mean, he was just going off. So we're fucking howling. So I got this job.
Starting point is 00:09:44 I stayed with him. I stayed clean uh i stayed with him i stayed clean i stayed with him all right so hold on i want to make that clear like so because i hear about a lot of aa clean some people say they use marijuana some say aa i hear you but clean for you was a little bit of weed i'm saying clean for me at that time was we a little bit of weed and then i figured. Clean for me at that time was weed. A little bit of weed. Just weed. And then I figured out that if you smoked weed and went to an AA meeting, it was really a party.
Starting point is 00:10:10 I'll bet that was. That's a party. I'll bet that was. I'm like, T, listen, I don't know about you. I'm not a boozer, but I love my marijuana. He's like, Jesus fucking Christ, you kids. You can't do the program. I have cocked.
Starting point is 00:10:22 I go, I'm not using coke, and I'm not drinking. That's what got me here. Reefer don't bother nobody. It doesn't. So I would take two hits off a joint and go to those meetings and just giggle. Oh, yeah. Giggle my ass off. The only way I could get out of going to meetings with him is if I had a job.
Starting point is 00:10:38 So one day I applied for a place called Crestkill Liquors. Just three white guys that didn't have a clue. The owner was a good guy, but he was just the whitest dude in America, and he was a sweetheart. They had one of those old registers. Again, one of those registers that you had to hit a nine, eight, and a nine, and then plus,
Starting point is 00:10:59 and it would give you the tax. And if you got a bottle of scotch that was $49.99, I'd put $9.99 and then give you change like you gave me $3.20 and I would keep pocket that $40. I would work from $4 to $8 and I would
Starting point is 00:11:15 walk out of there with like $500. They couldn't figure it out. Then the three guys are there watching me. I'm taking it, running to the city, copping reefer and coming back in the house like nothing happened. Oh, God. I worked at that place from maybe the last week of January
Starting point is 00:11:36 to like the second week of March. And then one day I came in and they were like, listen, we figured out what you're doing. Whenever you don't work, we make money. Whenever you work, we get zero profit. We couldn't figure it out. We finally figured it out. You're fucking fired.
Starting point is 00:11:56 How'd they figure it out? Because that's the time they figured it out. There was a huge gap. Every time I worked, they were always $400 lighter than the night I worked. And they couldn't figure out. It behooved them how I was doing it. I was doing it to the register, you stupid fuck. Right in front of them, I was doing it.
Starting point is 00:12:15 And they'd be looking at me, and I'd behooved them. And then later on, I'd paint. I'd do the math in my head. I had the math count of how many 20s I was taking. And I'd go, I got 180 coming to me. I just take 180. And then another guy would come in. Let me get two bottles of this kind of whiskey, $300 order.
Starting point is 00:12:32 I charge 30. So if it was 330, I would do the math in my head. If it was $330, I'd charge him 30. And I'd take 300 right off the fucking top. And they figured it out. Now, I'm on suspension this whole time from a bartending job in New York. Of course. Okay?
Starting point is 00:12:51 I'm on suspension. What is suspension? And I'm collecting. Like, I'm a fucking wild man. I'm collecting, and I don't give a fuck. Okay? Like, you're supposed to collect if you're unemployed. I'm collecting, and I'm working, and I'm stealing with two hands.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Like, that was all part of the fucking deal like i'm collecting and that's those are the days when you went down there they gave you 450 cash whatever the fuck they gave you they give you cash most days you gotta go to a window it was right down the corner from kentucky fried chicken and uh it was called geno's it's kent Kentucky Fried Chicken and Burger King or something put together. It was a chain in the 70s. Okay, so Geno's was Kentucky Fried Chicken and something. My father worked at Geno's. It was Geno Marchetti's restaurant. Something crazy.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Defensive end number 89 for the Baltimore Colts. It was a Kentucky Fried Chicken. It was like burgers and chicken. Yeah, it was absolutely. I think more of the burgers, though, but whatever. Geno's was his. I don't know. They went up to Jersey?
Starting point is 00:13:47 Well, this chain wasn't Jersey. They were a fast food chain. And so I was doing all this shit. And I'm still on suspension from New York. And one day, T says something to me. T goes, listen, my wife knows you're getting high. And that wasn't the deal. You got about a week.
Starting point is 00:14:07 You know, he didn't say it in a bad way. Like, he loved me to death. I just needed to go. So I picked up a little studio apartment in Tenafly, New Jersey. All right? I quit my, I got fired from that fucking job. I don't know what I did. I was just banging around the city all day.
Starting point is 00:14:26 I had a little money put away, a couple grand, maybe a grand, and I would just walk around the city, go get a bag of dope, maybe apply for a job. I didn't really know what the fuck to do. So I went back to what I usually do, stealing. So I'm living in town to fly, and I'm living in a house. What's the shit you got today, Airbnb? Yeah, Airbnb.
Starting point is 00:14:52 This is like an Airbnb. A woman lived in the house. She lived downstairs. Her sons had moved out, and she had three spare bedrooms upstairs. So she rented it to two guys and a chick. You never saw the chick. The other dude was a Cuban dude. So we would talk from time to time, me and the Cuban dude, whatever.
Starting point is 00:15:14 And one day I'm leaving and the son comes home. The son comes in and he's like, oh, you're living with my mother. I'm like, yeah, how you doing? My name is Nick. I don't know what his name is, okay? We start talking and right off the bat the guy's like, I'm making the
Starting point is 00:15:29 squat today. You want to come with me? This is the only shit that happens to me. You had never seen this guy? Never seen it, but he thought I was cool because I lived in his mother's house. Yeah, right, right. The rule was you weren't allowed to use the kitchen
Starting point is 00:15:44 or watch TV. That was part of the thing. As soon as that bitch left, remember like you weren't allowed like the rule was you weren't allowed to use the kitchen or watch tv when she was you know that was part of the thing as soon as that bitch left i was on the phone calling long distance i'm watching cable i'm making sandwiches i had no respect for nothing right like there was nothing i had respect for like Like, nothing. So me and her son, like, this is after I'm there, like, three, four weeks. It puts you out, like, maybe March. Me and her son go out, and he tells me about this car he's going to go look at. It belongs to a bookie, some shit. And we bust into the fucking car, and there's maybe 200 bucks, but there's jewelry.
Starting point is 00:16:26 We split the yardstick, and we split the jewelry, okay? I go my way, he goes his way. I got a guy in the fucking city that I go in there, no ID, he melts it. It's worth 80, he gives you 65 with no ID. What do you want to do? You want to take the $80 with an ID? I'll give you $65 and I don't know nothing. I turn the camera off.
Starting point is 00:16:50 What do you want to do with it? Give me $65, turn the camera off. Is it gold? Is that what it was? Yeah, it was gold. It was like a gold watch or something. Well, fuck all, takes it to a real porn shop. They do a police report on it.
Starting point is 00:17:02 And three days later, I'm in my little house, eating a bologna sandwich, scratching my nuts on the ladies' bed. In his mom's house. Watching TV. Not your house. Yes. You're in his mom's house. I'm on her phone, sniffing her bras, you know, fucking.
Starting point is 00:17:18 And all of a sudden I hear, and it's Jose here. Yeah, I'm Jose. Can you please come out? You're under arrest for possession of stolen. He got pinched, and he ratted me out. So now they're like, what did you do with the jewelry? I go, what jewelry?
Starting point is 00:17:33 I knew my jewelry wasn't going to be found. I knew that jewelry was melted. That was on some Greek guy's hand already. That was done. They made a ring and gave it to some Swami. You know those rings, those immigrants in New York with the ruby, the hypnotizing shit. So I get back to the apartment. Okay, I get arrested, but let me tell you what's more interesting about this arrest
Starting point is 00:18:05 I did the thing with this kid and I used to be a walker like I always go a walker like why would I take a bus I see it's a beautiful day so I was in Tenafly and I think I don't know where I walked
Starting point is 00:18:23 and I started walking that same fucking day. As I'm walking, I look over, and I see a kid raking a backyard. And I know this kid. He's not, I mean, we're both, he's from a town called Cliffside, and I'm from North Bergen. We met in summer school, my freshman summer. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:44 Okay, And I stayed friends with him, but very distantly. Now we were old, I would bump into him in clubs in the city. I see him raking there. And I go, George. And he turns around and he goes, what the fuck are you doing up here? And I go, you know me, I'm casing stuff.
Starting point is 00:19:00 And he starts laughing. Researching. And he said, how you doing? Nothing. How you been? So he started talking. Researching. And he's like, how you doing? Nothing. How you been? So he starts talking. One thing leads to another. He's telling me he's a gardener and he works for his mother part-time.
Starting point is 00:19:13 So we get to talking and he writes down his number. And he goes, call me, man. I go, fuck, I'll call you. I'm looking for a friend. Thank God. So I go do something, go get weed, and when I
Starting point is 00:19:31 come back home, that's when they knock on the door, the cops. So here's the funny thing. Whatever I went to do, whatever mile I walked was to get something to eat, and then the store was to get something to eat. And then the store was closed or something.
Starting point is 00:19:48 I can't remember from my memory. And I walked back and I was still hungry. And that's when they arrested me. And they took me to wherever I had. They arrested me, but I had a warrant
Starting point is 00:20:02 from a different, from my first pinch, for possession of stolen property. Okay. So here I'm getting arrested for possession of stolen property. But you're getting arrested only on this dude's word that you did this with him. It was an Uzi case. Okay. They asked me where the jewelry was.
Starting point is 00:20:18 I said, I don't know what you're talking about. What jewelry? They go, we're going to New York. All we got to do is make one call, and we'll find the paperwork. I'm like, no, you're not. There's no paperwork. I know these guys. I spent the $15.
Starting point is 00:20:31 I spent the $15. You're not going to find it. So they took me to the Tanafly Police Department, and they realized they didn't have enough evidence. So they said, that's fine. You got a warrant anyway. So we're going to take you to Hackensack. Now it's 6 o'clock.
Starting point is 00:20:50 It's 7 o'clock at night. I'm in fucking Tenafly or some shit, Tenafly, whatever, wherever they take you. And now they got a transfer from me. I got to wait for a fucking, so the cop goes, there's no more transfers tonight. You might have to spend the night here. And I'm like, ain't this a fucking bitch? And all of a sudden the cop goes, there's no more transfers tonight. You might have to spend the night here.
Starting point is 00:21:05 And I'm like, ain't this a fucking bitch? And all of a sudden the cop goes, I'm not doing nothing. I'll transfer. So I get in the car with him. He has to take me to Hackensack Police Department to go in front of a judge. It's like 9 o'clock court. We're driving there, and I'm talking to the cop. We're talking. I tell him
Starting point is 00:21:26 who I am. North Bergen. He's telling me he's from Fairview. We're talking. We're talking. Finally I go, I gotta ask you something. He goes, what? I go, bro, I haven't eaten in like 10 fucking hours. He goes, they didn't feed you dinner all day?
Starting point is 00:21:41 I go, no. He goes, I don't know what to tell you. I go, listen, can you do me a favor? I go, you got my paperwork there. You know who I am. You got my fingerprints. I got handcuffs on. Where am I going? Can we stop at Chan's?
Starting point is 00:21:53 Dragon Inn. This is my favorite Chinese restaurant. You don't even ask for fast food. You got balls. I go, we're going to drive right through it. The cop looks at me and goes, you going to Chan's? That place is fucking filthy. He goes, you go to Chance? That place is fucking filthy. He goes, I had to do a stakeout there one
Starting point is 00:22:08 night. There was supposedly going to be a guy who was robbing safes. So we pinned it down to where he was, whatever he was going to go. So we all did a stakeout there one night. When they turned out the lights, we thought there were people in there. We turned the lights on. There were rats. That's how big they were.
Starting point is 00:22:24 He goes, I'm not going in there. I go, I don't give a fuck if they got rats. You gotta go over there and get me some pork fried rice. And then I go, and the guy actually stopped. We walked in there with my handcuffs on. Yes, I did. I had him behind my back.
Starting point is 00:22:39 He switched into my front. I ordered it and he let me eat it in the back of the car and then throw it away. Then he put the handcuffs on my back and we went. I owed him a solid. I had a get out of jail card in my wallet. I knew a lot of cops. I was
Starting point is 00:22:55 dropping names and shit. The guy's like, okay, you're legit. We get to the fucking thing. That was completely crazy. Nine o'clock court. Night court was a great show back in the day, but that was completely crazy you know nine o'clock i've never i mean night court was a great show back in the day but that was a real thing that's a real thing new york i didn't know that used to be till like two in new york really 2 a.m 2 a.m i had no idea at 1 a.m you know fucking tremendous so you're going up in front are you actually in a courtroom or are you
Starting point is 00:23:22 in like an office okay they take me into a cell first. And then they go, Diaz, upstairs. And when I go upstairs, I'm sitting there handcuffed. And they go, hold on one second. You're next. But they got to bring this guy in because they got to take him to the hospital. I'll never, ever forget that. They propped this motherfucker in.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Like they propped him in. He walked in like Jesus. Like there was a trail of blood behind his leg. You think I'm fucking kidding you? They propped him up and it's like, guilty, murder, whatever the fuck. 30 days, whatever. I don't know what he got.
Starting point is 00:23:55 I don't know what he did. I know that there was a line of blood following him. They had thrown a tremendous beating on him. They shot him. But he was answering, you alright? Answer the fucking judge, you fucking... The guy's like... They like hit him right there again with the stick.
Starting point is 00:24:14 And I'm like, damn! So, I got nobody to call. They go, uh, Mr. Diaz, because I made bail. What I didn't do was complete the program or some shit. And that's why you got the warrant? That's why I had the warrant.
Starting point is 00:24:31 I had a cousin that had some unofficial. Listen, just go to the two days of this thing. You're going to go here. We're going to go. There's no bail. You're remanded. It's fucking 11 o'clock. Where am I going to go?
Starting point is 00:24:43 I just got thrown out of my house. You know, the cop said the lady was going to put the bag out with my stuff. I'm like, God damn it. I got to go all the way to Tenafly, get my bag of clothes, my bag of clothes. Not even a suitcase. So I went in my pocket, and I found George's number. And I go, George. He picks up the first ring.
Starting point is 00:25:07 201-943-2629. Wow. 1985, baby. That's the memory on Uncle George. Ask me what I have for lunch. You'll throw me off. It's like Jeopardy. It's like being the dumbest guy on Jeopardy.
Starting point is 00:25:20 But ask me what somebody's number was in high school. I still remember it. That number's about to get called like a motherfucker. It's done. It's done. was in high school. I still remember it. That number is about to get called like a motherfucker. It's done. It's done. Oh, they can't. Yeah, they can't. They fucking, he answered, and I go, George, I need a big favor.
Starting point is 00:25:37 You got to take me to the front and pick up my clothes and drive me off on a hotel on Route 4. I was in and out of those hotels. I knew them 44 a night. I was a lifeguard at one of those hotels in Baltimore. You're going to hit fucking next to you. There's no lifeguards at these hotels. You go out there, you just drown.
Starting point is 00:25:54 You shoot heroin, they put you into the pool, nobody knows nothing, you know what I'm saying? People go outside, actually look at you for a second. They'll call their kids, come here. Look what happens to heroin people. See? Take a picture. You like it being from London.
Starting point is 00:26:10 So George takes me to get my clothes. And I go, all right, let's just go to the roof. And he goes, no, no. You're going to come and stay with me. Because I talked to my mother. You can stay with me in my room. You can sleep on the floor. I'm like, are you fucking serious?
Starting point is 00:26:29 So he took me home. He introduced me to his mom, his grandma. Only this could happen to me. And I moved in with him like in mid-March. And he came on my podcast. He did. About a month ago. He did a Zoom.
Starting point is 00:26:42 and he came on my podcast. He did. About a month ago. He did a Zoom. And he goes, I knew you were the first deal, the first two weeks. He goes, the first two weeks, you broke into my roommate's house, you stole his fucking speakers, and I stole his unemployment check, and I cashed it.
Starting point is 00:27:03 That's not like a cash anything. I had a guy in the bank. He didn't give a fuck. That's his introduction to you. Whatever you want to do, like whatever you need. What kind of check you got? It's in the plumber's union. Who does it belong to? Ivan Volsky.
Starting point is 00:27:12 Give it to me. He'll sign Ivan, and we would cash a check. I mean, it was in the throat. The guy was a loan shark. He worked for a loan shark. So if you borrowed from the loan shark, he would cut you a check to the bank, and you would go see my friend.
Starting point is 00:27:25 So I move in with George. And they spoke Spanish. They were from Panama. And we just talked. And at night, I'd stay in with his grandma. I was clean. I wasn't doing any coke. I was smoking reefer, but I wasn't drinking, nothing like that. I didn't doing any coke I was smoking reefer But I wasn't drinking
Starting point is 00:27:45 Nothing like that I didn't have a girlfriend I didn't get laid from like that August Like I had been without a woman I had turned so much into coke That I really wasn't even into women anymore Like I wasn't into men either I was just trying to take care of myself
Starting point is 00:28:03 I was 20 fucking. I was just trying to take care of myself. I was 20 fucking one. I was 22. It was 1985. I was worth zero. I was clean though. And this is a connection coming back from your past childhood with a guy from summer
Starting point is 00:28:19 school or whatever. 79. Right before the summer before my mother died. All because you were up there casing that place and he was breaking a yoke. Whatever. I stay with him. I get a job right off the bat for a bricklayer and I'm laying brick with the
Starting point is 00:28:33 guy, Italians. Good guys. I did that for about seven weeks and then the bar called me back. A friend of mine called a friend of mine and said they want to meet with you.
Starting point is 00:28:49 This is very like official bar shit here, right? It was the Sheraton Center. Oh, okay. And I was under investigation for that. You know, there was just so room charges. I mean, there was 8,000 ways to rob that hotel.
Starting point is 00:29:05 Yeah. And all those guys did it. Everybody who worked at the hotel was robbing people. I mean, it was horrific. And I didn't invent it. I don't want anybody to think I invented it. I walked into this, and these guys were like, you want to make money? Do this.
Starting point is 00:29:22 I worked at a hotel at the front desk. They would call their own room service. We had hustles. Send it to you. Then you would deny it. money do this you know they worked at a hotel they would call their own room service we had hustles send it to you then you would deny it we would i don't even remember tell the people to clean it real quick if they paid cash say ah they don't like this side they want this side to view and boom they would clean it real quick and we would keep that 500 cash it's the craziest thing in the world people hotel employees are beefy motherfuckers that's why i don't put my safe inside nothing in that safe man your business take it with you because there's people like me so
Starting point is 00:29:50 i'm moving with him wait i gotta say something this is the truth too because of you and sitting down and talking to you when you're like i'll break into your fucking sliding glass door or whatever my daughter and i will go down to the pool. And I mean down our stairs to the pool. And I shut and locked my god damn door. Everything. Listen, I give a fuck. She's like, it's hot in here. And we come back. Well, I don't give a shit. It's all still here, though, ain't it? Every time I think, Joey D has
Starting point is 00:30:15 to climb right on this balcony and get up in here. When I wanted something, I was going to take it. I hear you. I do it every time when I think of you. And we are 50 feet away. So I went into the city, and they told me that they weren't going to hire me back, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They gave me some type of severance.
Starting point is 00:30:36 They said not to call that for a reference, that they would give a bad reference. Can't imagine you had any real good references. They gave me like, I don't know, I don't even know what they gave me, like $800, something crazy. How long did you work there? I worked there legitimately, like, bullshitly a year and a half, but legitimately maybe eight months with no problems. Okay.
Starting point is 00:31:03 Stealing, but no problems. Right, not calling. Then I would just not call in, not show up. You know, it was just being 22, being a kid. I was a fucking dumb, I was a 21-year-old. I thought I wanted to bartend and this whole thing. But I'm living with George. Before I moved in with George, I was living in a hotel.
Starting point is 00:31:24 And one night I was really broke. And I went across the George, I was living in a hotel. And one night I was really broke. And I went across the street. There's a string of gas stations. Right? So I'm living with, before I moved in with George, I think it was before I got the apartment with that lady when I was looking for the apartment. I stayed in Fort Lee for a while because it's closer to the city. Fort Lee? Fort Lee, New Jersey is right across from Manhattan on the apartment. I stayed in Fort Lee for a while because it's closer to the city. Fort Lee? Fort Lee, New Jersey is right across from Manhattan on the bridge. They have all these hotels.
Starting point is 00:31:50 It's where a comedy club called Bananas is. They ever ask you to play Bananas? It's right there on Route 4 next to the Bada Bing. That's why people go to Bananas because they go to the Bada Bing. So I don't think it's still open. It doesn't matter. But one night I was staying at that hotel and I was hungry one afternoon and I crossed the street to the gas station because that's how much money I had.
Starting point is 00:32:13 And I saw a for help sign. And I asked the guy, what were you looking for? And he goes, I need the money to pump gas from 4 to 12. I go, okay. When can I start? He goes, tonight. He goes, what's your name? I'm like, Ryan Sickler.
Starting point is 00:32:29 He's like, Ryan Sickler. Okay. I see you at 4 o'clock. So I come back, and I realize I'm by myself. So he trained me for the first hour. In Jersey and in Oregon, they pump gas. Yep. Still, right?
Starting point is 00:32:43 Isn't it illegal to pump your own gas in Jersey? That's crazy to me. You got to pump gas. That's Oregon still too? Yeah. I don't know. But it is still Jersey in 2020. I think in Oregon, they're just lighting people on fire right now.
Starting point is 00:32:54 Yeah, you're right. They got a bigger problem. They got a bigger problem. Don't worry about the guy pumping gas. You're right about that. That guy's pumping gas with a hook right now. Man. Pumping gas on a crowd, lighting a whole fire. It's with a hook right now. Man. Pumping gas on the crowd like the whole fire.
Starting point is 00:33:05 He's crazy up there right now. So I went across the street, and I'm pumping all this gas. And he told me, he goes, it's nighttime, so drop every time you got $500 in your pocket. Put an envelope. Put what time. Sign this paperwork and put a drop in there. I didn't see the reason to. So every hour, like he told me, I'd take like a dollar bill and drop it.
Starting point is 00:33:32 A dollar bill and drop it. Because for some reason it was like computerized. He goes, I'll find that in my house if you don't drop. So about fucking 2 o'clock, I realized I got about $1,200. Plus what's ever in the register. Plus the food. Plus he's got a box of change under the fucking register. So I took everything.
Starting point is 00:33:53 I took everything at 3 o'clock. Hershey bars, the whole fucking thing. And I just walked across Route 4, jumped over the fucking banister in the side of it. Cars were whizzing by me doing 90, and I went home. The next morning, I look up. I look out my hotel window. Cops are there. The whole thing. People have been
Starting point is 00:34:13 pumping gas for free for four hours. Because I just left. I just left. I just left. I just left, right? I forgot about the free gas. I said,. I just left. Right? I forgot about the freaking. So I said, fuck. He calls that motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:34:29 He was pissed. He came back. His name was Ryan Seacliff. So I figured this out. But here's the problem you got. You got a row of gas stations going that way. And you got a row of gas stations going this way. For me, that's a fucking hit.
Starting point is 00:34:46 So I wait like three days. Sure enough, I go to the gas station. Two doors down from that guy. That moron needs help 12 to 8. But here's the story. The real story was my buddy worked at Hess. Hess. I used to get the trucks.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Hess Gas Station. He was the manager. I still talk to this guy. He's still one of my best friends in the world. Oh, yeah. So I told him to give me a list of anybody who ever got fired for stealing. And he sent me a list of names. So I would apply under those names. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:15 So now I was smart the second time. The second time I went in there, what's your name? Tony Ramirez. Where have you pumped gas? Hess. Where? Weehawken? Yeah. When can you start? What do, where? Weehawken, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:26 When can you start? What do you got? 12 to 8. I'm in. I'd get there at 12, and again, once I get 1,000, that's it. That's it. I put a dollar in the MLO. Pew!
Starting point is 00:35:37 I just walk off. Even if I was working with a guy. And you're leaving the gas. You're always working with some guy in a jacket on. I'd say, listen, I'm going to go to the bathroom. I did this every two gas stations. Then I went across the street and worked myself back 1,200, 1,800. It was always something. And that's that old school gas shit where you pulled the lever out of the way.
Starting point is 00:36:00 There was none of that bullshit. And then you also used to hang gas. Hang gas means Brian Sickler's a broke fuck. He comes in, he gets $4 worth of gas. When Lee comes in for gas, guess who's swallowing that four? Lee is. That four is going right into Lee's. I'm going to put that thing in without popping the thing back.
Starting point is 00:36:21 I remember because you had to pop it all the way back. Yeah, you did. But if you didn't pop it all the way back and just put it in there, the car would move up and then that make-believe, it's already on four. By the time I'm putting it in, I'm making the first four dollars. This was hysterical.
Starting point is 00:36:35 It was caught. Hanging pumps. That's what me and my friends called it. Hanging pumps. So I would hang pumps. Not only would I hang pumps, I wasn't even going to pay the gas man anyway. So I did that all around that gas station, all the way back. And then I took my show on the road, and I took it down to South Jersey. And I started hitting them all over South Jersey.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Every day I'd take a bus. And it was hilarious. I would take a bus to a new area Get out, see a gas station Walk the three of them and get hired by one I'd go somewhere, eat And stand there like an asshole for six hours Until I had to go back at four
Starting point is 00:37:16 To train, because they'd tell you Can you start today at four? Fuck yeah, I'll start today at four And I'd get back there at four o'clock I'd pump gas till ten I'd be working with some guy. Can I go to the bathroom? Yes, but hurry up.
Starting point is 00:37:28 We're not running a chowder here. All right, yeah, good. And I'd just go. Sometimes I'd call George. I would call George. I'd go, George, meet me there at 10 after 9. Why 10 after 9? Just be there at 10 after 9.
Starting point is 00:37:41 And George would be there thinking he was just picking me up, coming off the bus. I'd get in the car and go hit it. Why? Just hit it because I just robbed the guy. What are you talking about? You robbed the guy. He was just flying. I give him two bills. Here's 200. Don't worry about nothing. So tell me
Starting point is 00:37:55 what happened. So one time I did this all over New Jersey. This was hysterical. This is fucking hysterical. So now I'm not going to tell you the name of the place. This is a huge gas station. Like, to pull this one off, it was like Ocean's Eleven. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:38:15 Because they had like 18 gas guys. This place is huge. Like a truck stop? Like a truck stop. Yeah. Like a flying J? Let's just, you know. Yeah, sure enough, fucking boom.
Starting point is 00:38:29 The fucking, they need me from 4 to 12. And it's nonstop. It's about to rain. So I'm going from one car to the other. Everybody, 20s, 20s, 10s, 15s. The fucking thing is getting thicker. Stacked. My hands are filthy from all the dollars I'm having.
Starting point is 00:38:50 They had to have four guys on one island just pumping doubles. You're doing big rigs and shit like that too. Yeah, I'm doing everything. I'm doing everything. I'm pumping gas. No, I wasn't doing diesel. I was just doing cars. So I'm doing cars.
Starting point is 00:39:04 And all of a sudden, the fucking, the sky is starting to turn gray, I'm doing cars, I'm doing cars, the sky is starting to turn gray, I'm like, fuck, and I call George, and I asked the guy, I go, hold on, can I go make a call, and I called George at his mom's shop, and he goes, I can't get to you, we got a special order, man, I'm sorry, called george at his mom's shop and he goes i can't get to you we got a special order man i'm sorry i don't know what to tell you oh fuck so i got like 2 000 in my pocket i'm working and it's about to rain but it was also park and drive is that what they call them park and ride where people you meet and get in one car yes park and ride we used to have those all over maryland there's buses that go into new york from there so sure enough park around looking at these buses and they're lining up
Starting point is 00:39:49 and you get on any of them because they're all going to new york i see all these people so i got like two g 2100 i go up to a little fucking indian dude like listen i gotta go take a shit i got diarrhea how heady up with're busy mom can't you see this I go yeah and I dodge to the bathroom but I just come out the side door there's a ton of people and I just mix into the New York line and I get on the bus
Starting point is 00:40:16 and I'm watching this fucking guy and this guy is pumping gas and he's looking at the door to see if he sees me he's pumping gas he's looking at the door to see if he sees me. He's pumping gas. He's looking at the door. And after about five minutes, I'm getting itchy. My bus is, I'm waiting for the bus to fill. Okay, you're all early.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Okay, the guy's not going to get off until the bus fills. I'm like, God damn it, I got on the wrong bus. I'm on the second bus, and there's still a bus in front of me. And now I see the guy go, you know, like, hold on one second. And he goes in there looking for me. Now I see the guy run out. And, like, he's, like, looking around for me. And he runs back to his little fucking friends.
Starting point is 00:40:54 And he's like, you know, and I'm watching all this go down. And all of a sudden he runs into the office and he gets on a fucking phone. And they're fucking calling somebody. And then they're all looking around. And another guy goes in there looking for me. And I'm telling the bus driver, let's go. Let's go. It's going to fucking rain. And I mean, the fucking sky, the skies are fucking turning gray and shit.
Starting point is 00:41:16 And they're looking around. And finally, when my bus takes off, as my bus takes off, they're all looking around like, where the hell did this guy go? One of them figured out. He's on one of those buses so i'm like oh no so as i'm pulling out of there i see cops pulling in oh shit i'm dead so bus pulls out i figure they're gonna arrest us when we get in the port authority i get the port authority there's not a cop inside. I walked out the Broadway. They didn't stop you when you were leaving? Nothing.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Oh, no shit. Nothing. We didn't stop them. We got on Route 3 right to New York. I went. I picked up George. We took a shower. We got dressed and we went to this club in the city with another friend of mine, Devo. And we went to the club and the Eurythmics were there hanging out,
Starting point is 00:42:07 just hanging out. Like, you couldn't even talk to them, I said. I thought I was a fucking big shot and shit. But I stayed with, and at that time, I was just doing creepy shit. How much would you say, average, you probably hit in the gas stations? 1,500 to 2 grand a pop? A pop, yeah. And about what, a dozen? Yeah pop yeah and about what the biggest yeah like wow
Starting point is 00:42:26 what's the biggest maybe like it was like 2400 and i had like 15 of them but i had a thousand scams going i just didn't want to stick to one scam i wanted to throw enough spaghetti i would do something for two weeks then lay off it because i know now they were hot for it. Like, I'd put a suit on. At that time, I was good friends with these dudes that were running a credit card thing. These were legit dudes. They also had counterfeit money. You could buy money by the pound from them. You could buy money by the pound.
Starting point is 00:42:57 This was crazy. I had been involved with these dudes. I didn't really know them, and I met them later on in the game through drugs. But then later, later. That's some real shit right there. In 84 is when I found out what these guys were about. And when Ryan Sickler orders a credit card, they had it so wired that the guy who makes the credit cards
Starting point is 00:43:17 would make two credit cards, one for you in your name and one for them in your name. I mean, it was crazy. It was this corrupt. These guys had tapped into so much corruption. Yeah, it is. They were into traveler's checks. They were into credit cards.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Anything forged. IDs, passports. $500 got you a birth certificate, driver's license, social security card, and an insurance card for your car. For your car, a fake insurance card. That would work. Like, they would call, get a fucking name on it. I mean, it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:43:54 It was all done out of, like, Brooklyn, the baker. I forget what the guy's name was. But I just got involved with these guys that were high level. So I started buying credit cards from them and I started buying suits. And what I would do is go into big time office buildings and just look for people to make a mistake. You have no idea how many times I've opened up a door and seen the bank deposit for the day sitting on your table. And I just put it under under my jacket walk out of the building yeah take the cash and throw away the checks and everything okay so during this time
Starting point is 00:44:33 you're 25 you say no i'm a baby i'm 22 okay 22 are you looking to outside of that bartending gig are you looking to really work anywhere or are you just hustling and surviving? I'm looking to get the fuck out of Jersey. I'm looking to get a payday. But do you know where you want to go? I'm going back to Colorado. You're going to go back. This time I'm doing it right. I'm going to go to Colorado Springs and work myself up to Aspen
Starting point is 00:44:58 by November. That was the plan. And all of a sudden I'm doing all this illegal shit. And it's the beginning of sudden, I'm doing all this illegal shit. And it's the beginning of June. And I got a call from a friend of mine. And he says, they're looking for you. Did you do some phony insurance scam?
Starting point is 00:45:14 And I go, yeah. He goes, the lawyer's got a check for you. And I go, come on. What? And they're like, they got a check for you. Call the lawyer. So I went on the yellow pages, got the lawyer's name. I called him up.
Starting point is 00:45:28 I go, this is Jose Diaz. He goes, yeah, I got a check for you. Come to my office and get it on Friday at 1. It was probably June 29th. It was a Friday. And I went to his office. He told me to be at his office like two hours there, 10 to 2. I went in. I did the paperwork.
Starting point is 00:45:51 When I looked at the check, it said 18 grand. Damn. And that's for what? Some phony insurance shit. Some guy got me involved in that. I took the check to my friend's dad. He cashed it. I owed him a little bit of money for gambling shit, probably.
Starting point is 00:46:10 He cashed it. I told him to hold on until 10 for the weekend. I still wasn't doing coke. I was pretty good. So what I did was I went and bought a card with a huge limit. And I took my friend Lubz and this girl who had taken care of me. And
Starting point is 00:46:29 George couldn't go. This girl worked for Ann Taylor, whatever that company was. I think that's right. I mean, it sounds familiar. The shoe division. She was a general manager of the shoe division. So she had access to credit cards and stuff.
Starting point is 00:46:48 So whenever I went to that mall, I would give her a credit card. And that's the old school. Yeah. These credit cards. Yeah, but she would call in and see how much limit I would have. Okay. Because she would do it for women all the time. Women would go, I want to buy those $800 shoes.
Starting point is 00:47:03 But I don't know what I got left on the card. So she would call and they'd tell her, you know, 20 grand. So I took her and my friend Lubes and I took them fucking shopping in that mall. I go, whatever the fuck you want. Whatever you want on a Saturday. And we've got, I got the white Miami Vice suit. I had everything. I just bought a whole new fucking wardrobe.
Starting point is 00:47:27 Gold chains. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. I took my friends out to dinner, like four of us. I took them out to a good fucking place called Piccolissimo. They had a dish called lobster fried diablo. And I knew people were looking for me. I knew I was on the hit list. I knew that anybody could find me at any time.
Starting point is 00:47:51 My godfather, the dudes I beat in West New York. Oh, I had them everywhere. So I took them to eat off the beaten path. And then that night, I had already made in my mind I was taking the one o'clock flight from Newark Jet Blue it was called People's Express now here I got
Starting point is 00:48:12 18 grand and Jet People's Express you paid for it on the plane with a credit card you had to go stand on line and then if they picked you that sounds scary oh my god they had a flight
Starting point is 00:48:26 every two hours. They only flew from Newark to Denver, Newark LA, and Newark to London. Darren, what's that bus that everyone used to roll like New York to Boston or whatever, the Chinese bus.
Starting point is 00:48:42 It always break down on the side of the road. People tell me about it all the time. That's what it sounds like. The airline version of that shit. People's Express. They went to LA? They came here? They came here. They went to LA because I took them one time. I was taking them so much
Starting point is 00:48:58 on stolen credit cards. I would just get on there with stolen credit cards. So you would get on and then you sit down and then they run you? It was $49 one way. But that's if you just want a chair. Oh, you want cushions? That's another $10. Oh, you want a salad?
Starting point is 00:49:15 That's another $10. You want a beer? $22. So I'd get on there and buy everybody drinks. Give them all drinks. Give them the whole world drinks. Give everybody drinks. Give them all drinks on me.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Because I'd be giving them Joe Swing's fucking credit card. Thank you, Mr. Jennings. They'd take it up there, ching-ching it. I'd sign it, and they'd rip it. They wouldn't know nothing. Nicest guy on People's Express. People's Express via video.
Starting point is 00:49:41 That's right. You could smoke on it back then. It was a pisser. And what happened was I was beating them for so long and one time i was out here the time i got into the beef with my uncle i got into beef and i got on one of those and i was going to beat them you know i was going to get on the plane when they came to me where's your, where's your credit card? I go, I left it on my luggage. And they go, okay, we'll see you afterward. I thought they were going to forget. I'm like, this is how crazy I am. I'm like, they're going to forget. Fuck you. They had two ramp agents down there. And they went with me to my luggage. We took it to
Starting point is 00:50:18 a secure place. I looked around. I sat in the cabin. They go, okay, you have an option. This is theft. You call the cops, or you call somebody to pay it right now and come get you. I had to call a friend of mine who was pissed at me. He's like, you're fucking crazy. I got to pay $69 now. Jesus fucking Christ, I'll be right down there.
Starting point is 00:50:40 He had to come to Newark. He had to come down and pay. It was horrible. It was fucking horrible. They didn't do it over the phone back then. There was no phone. There was nothing. He had to drive.
Starting point is 00:50:52 Yeah. Like there was 1-800-WESTERN-UNION or something. So now I'm leaving Sunday morning, and it's Saturday night, and I'm with my buddies, and I'm having a good time, and I'm not doing blow. I got a couple drinks. I mean, I go to this bar called The Spot in Union City. My friend's uncle worked there, and he would give you Cuban crackers.
Starting point is 00:51:16 He was Irish. What's that? He would give you Cuban crackers with mortadella cheese on it. A real Cuban. With mortadella ham and a little cheese and give you tidbits. So I'm there eating and I'm having a good time with my friends. There's a couple chicks I'm looking at. I'm not
Starting point is 00:51:31 snorting. And all of a sudden one of the hottest friends I have comes walking in the door. Her name is Regina. God breast her soul. She's dead now. I hadn't seen her in about eight months. And she sees me. She lights up.
Starting point is 00:51:47 She gives me a fucking hug. And she goes, I got to talk to you about something. And there's a cop in the bar. And he's my cousin. His name is Julio. I grew up with him. We're not blood cousins, but I've known him since I grew up with his brother. Me and his brother were huge fucking friends. We used to run numbers together when we were kids, all three of us. Even him as a cop,
Starting point is 00:52:10 when he was a kid, when he was 12, we all ran numbers for the same bookie on Sundays. We were family. I'm watching him and he's just staring at me. I'm like, fuck, something's not right. And this girl pulls me aside and she goes, listen listen i just want you to know that those people they know it was you i'm trying to play it off but it's like you coming up to me going they know and i'm like sick come on you know me better than that she's like knock it off they got a description they saw you going in you went down went down there in a blue car. They watched the whole thing go down. They're looking for you. They have knocked all the cops.
Starting point is 00:52:48 They are physically looking for you. I'm like, fuck. She just took the energy out of me. And I went up to the bar, and I paid the tab. I go, let me go talk to my cousin, give him a hug. And I go up to him, and I go, I'll see you next time. And he goes, I think you should leave. And I go, I'll see you next time. And he goes, I think you should leave. And I go, what are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:53:09 And he goes, I think you should leave. There's a lot of people that you pissed off. You should really fucking leave. And I was like, okay. And I got in the car and I was like, that's it. This ain't just a fucking, I got to go. So I went back to George's that night. Went to bed at like 12.
Starting point is 00:53:27 My flight was like at 1. George couldn't take me to the airport. He had to do something that day. So I had to take a bus to Jersey City, and my friend was going to take me to the airport. Wake up the next day. I put some money in George's grandmother for bingo. When I lived there, I would take care of her bingo bill.
Starting point is 00:53:49 That was one of my responsibilities. Give her a 20 for bingo. I gave her like 100 for like a couple nights of bingo. I gave the mother the rent. The mother would charge me like 50 bucks a week. I gave the mother like 100 bucks. bucks a week. I gave them all like a hundred bucks. And I
Starting point is 00:54:05 get a I think I take a cab to White Castle on 88th Street. Because that's where the bus came from. Jersey City. I got my military bag. I got my shorts on. And I'm free man. I'm ready to go
Starting point is 00:54:22 to fucking Colorado. Holy shit. This has been 18 months of pure fucking hell. I'm going. And all of a sudden, my bus pulls up. Number one Nungessers. That Nungessers
Starting point is 00:54:38 is what they call that bowling alley. That's what they call it. That's the number one bus that takes you from North Bergen to Jersey City. But the bus driver gets out. He has to take a piss. He goes into White Castle to take a piss. He goes, shh.
Starting point is 00:54:53 The door whips open. I'm sitting out there with my bag, and I hear a motorcycle. Vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom. I don't think nothing of it. Just a fucking motorcycle. It's like I don't know what to do with me. I don't think nothing of it. Just the fucking motorcycle. It had nothing to do with me.
Starting point is 00:55:09 I look over at the white cast. I keep hearing the motorcycle. And the motorcycle goes. And he goes around the fucking bus. And he makes a U-turn around the bus. And rides up on the sidewalk. And comes right towards me. What?
Starting point is 00:55:27 And he's like, what the fuck? Dirt bike? Yeah. And then I had a, there was a side pocket. I had a little 32. Is that what they're called? A little 32. And I just, my bag was, it looked like a punching bag. It would look like.
Starting point is 00:55:44 A 38? Yeah, it was a.38. A.38 Special, that little one. No, the little one. Yeah. It wasn't a.22. I think it was a.38. Who the fuck knows?
Starting point is 00:55:52 .38 Special, I think. It was a tiny one that a friend of mine, that I stole. That's the one I pulled on my uncle in California. That's the one. I still had that gun. I'd never fired it. I'd never oiled it. It was in that fucking thing.
Starting point is 00:56:05 And guess what? I was going to Colorado with it. I was just going to take it out and put it in my luggage, okay? So I hear, mm-mm-mm, and the bike is coming towards me. I reach, and it's like a flap, and I just happen to grab the gun. The guy doesn't know I have the gun, but'm left i'm righty it's in my left hand ain't gonna do me no fucking good and he pulls up where you are and he flips this thing and it's my godfather who's been hunting me down and he goes hey remember when he chased me in the bed yeah
Starting point is 00:56:39 right i remember motorcycle okay he's 50 something on a fucking motorcycle. Okay. He's 50-something. On a fucking motorcycle. I'm like, really? On one of those Chinese ones, what do they call them? Rice zippers or whatever the fuck they are. They call them fucking rice rockets and shit. I don't know what the fuck they call them. He comes up on one of those. In Spanish, he goes, you never came by and gave me that money, did you?
Starting point is 00:57:01 And I go, Gabby, I'm sorry. He goes, the next time I see you, he goes, I'm going to put a bullet in you. Damn. And he closed this thing and he took off. I'm like, fuck, I don't even know if I should get on this bus. I said, fuck it, let me get on the bus. I got on the bus,
Starting point is 00:57:18 took me down to Jersey City. My friend took me to the airport. I got on lines of People's Express. I got on the plane with a Fugazi credit card. I get on this plane. I'm headed to Colorado Springs. Colorado Springs is where the Air Force Academy is. It was the number one growing city at the time in 1985.
Starting point is 00:57:40 It was booming. So I figured, like I said, I'd go down there, make some money. I got $18,000 to play with. I had about $17,000 to play with. And I'll fucking go to Colorado. I'll go to Aspen in November. My buddy's up there. He's house-sitting.
Starting point is 00:57:56 I'll get a job up there. I could stay in the garage for a few days. He don't know that yet. But that's the ride I'm going to take. On the plane, it's a party i'm drinking i'm fucking smoking weed it was like a party on this point that's that people so i mean this is this is this is crazy i start talking to this african-american dude real good guy we just start talking the whole way and he's like and this is exactly what he told me. He goes, man, how old is you?
Starting point is 00:58:26 I go, I'm 23. He goes, you ain't going no Colorado Springs with them fucking soldiers. He goes, you're going to Boulder to get some pussy. Now, I haven't gotten a piece of ass from August of 84. It is now July of 85. I'm 22 years old. That's like 10 years. it is now July of 85 I'm 22 years old I have not even I have not even touched a woman and it's coming up in a year
Starting point is 00:58:51 well guess what on the fucking plane I start talking to this daughter she's from Jersey we should start talking now people's express was a fucking party you're in the middle aisle you're talking to four people.
Starting point is 00:59:05 Come here, waitress, come here. Give them a drink. Waitress? Yeah. Give them a drink. Give that table over there a drink. It was like you were in Goodfellas. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:14 It was a fucking party. Like, you fly today, it's horrible. It's a horrible experience. June of 85, you're giving all this. You're buying people a drink. Give them all a drink give them all a double
Starting point is 00:59:26 take a tip you have to do the fucking store this is we're drinking we're here so I got this free drinking
Starting point is 00:59:34 on the plane we go downstairs we get our luggage do you know what the store just says she goes what hotel are you staying at tonight
Starting point is 00:59:42 I go I have no idea I don't even know where I'm going. Because the plan was to land in Denver. I think we landed like at 10. I was just going to take a hotel and then take a bus to Boulder the next day and look for an apartment and keep my clothes at the hotel in Denver, rent it for like a week, and go to Boulder.
Starting point is 00:59:59 Because he told me to go to Boulder. He told, bro, I hated Boulder. I fucking hated Boulder. I hate it. I went there when I lived in Aspen. It was just a little bit too hippie-ish for me. I wasn't ready for it. It was like the village.
Starting point is 01:00:12 I wasn't ready for it. Bro, I get off the fucking plane. And this little cute stewardess is like, what hotel are you staying at? I go, I don't know. Where are you guys staying at? And she goes, we're all supposed to stay over there. I go, looks like I'm staying over there. She goes, okay.
Starting point is 01:00:27 So we took, they went on the shuttle. I went on the shuttle with them. All the pilots were on there. I'm there like in street clothes. And we went back to this hotel. And she goes, I'm in room 218. I don't know what room I was in. We went to our rooms.
Starting point is 01:00:41 We all went down to the front bar. We were drinking. And then later on, she came up to my room and threw me a little oven, just like that. People's Express. Just like that. I get up the next morning, just as planned. She leaves.
Starting point is 01:00:55 I take a shower. I didn't think I drank coffee. I got out of the bus, went to Boulder. I started walking around Boulder. I saw a free paper. I'm walking down the street. I bump into this fucking girl that's a 10.
Starting point is 01:01:11 Nice big tits. And she's like, are you looking for an apartment? I go, yeah. She goes, me too. We could do it together. I see her just like that. I'm like, oh my God. I haven't talked to a girl in a year. I'm here two days. I haven't talked to a girl in a year. I'm here two days.
Starting point is 01:01:27 I've already talked to two women. Back to back days. So we both put, she went and looked at her apartment. I walked her. And then she walked me. And I got my, I put my deposit in for my apartment. Mine was 1012 14th Street. And she was like three doors down.
Starting point is 01:01:47 And she was moving in with her college roommate. So we spoke. We wished each other luck. I don't think we went and got in. There was no coffee then, and I went back to Denver. Got like a steak, went back to the hotel room. The lady called the hotel. I got the apartment.
Starting point is 01:02:04 I took my clothes. I went to Boulder the next day, and I moved in. Two days later, I'm going called the hotel. I got the apartment. I took my clothes. I went to Boulder the next day. And I moved in. Two days later, I'm going to the gym. I see the chick with the big tits. We start talking. She invites me over for dinner. This was the craziest time of my life. And I,
Starting point is 01:02:19 third night, we start swapping spit. But she's got a crazy roommate. She's got a guy or girl? A girl. But she's got a crazy roommate. She's got a roommate. Guy or girl? A girl. Okay. That just won't quit. Always cock blocking and just as good looking as this one.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Oh, yeah. She would cock block, like come out topless with a thong on, like, oh, I didn't know you were here. I'm like, really? So me and this girl, this is going on. I'm lifting weights. I joined the gym. It was downstairs.
Starting point is 01:02:48 There was a store called Rose's. I would get the rotisserie chicken. That's all I lived on. Rotisserie chicken, that. Then I had a Japanese roommate. He didn't speak English too good. He's like, I ain't broke. I go, you're broke.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Don't worry about it. Let's go down to Alfalfa. You got a new job. Your name is Kato. And you're going to be my international chef. So I called him Kato and I made him my chef. He's funny to you. You know the cook?
Starting point is 01:03:17 Szechuan beef. He's like, Szechuan beef? Yes, Szechuan beef. You're cooking Szechuan beef every day. Every day I get up, this motherfucker be cooking onions. He could cook though. So I had him. I had a white dude for a roommate that played the air guitar. He was in the finals of the air guitar.
Starting point is 01:03:35 Come on. Oh, you got to hear this shit. Three retards, okay? And I had a Mexican dude that just came from Mexico. And he was really like, you know, si, senor. He was perfectly cast out of a fucking movie. Speedy Gonzalez. So I'm only going there at night basically to take showers.
Starting point is 01:03:56 So I start sleeping with the big titty girl. So I'm pretty much hanging out with her all the time. I'm lifting weights. And even though I opened up a bank account, I put the 10 G's in the bank, and I kept the other eight just to run with. You know, I pop Kato off at 20 every day. Go down to Alfalfa's, get some beef, get some scallions, get some nice jasmine rice.
Starting point is 01:04:21 You know jasmine rice? I love jasmine rice. I know jasmine rice. I know Jasmine Rice. Kato, that was his name. Now, so they would have parties at night. Those three morons would like say, hey, where you going?
Starting point is 01:04:34 We're going to have an air guitar final. I'm like, what are you kidding me? I'm going next door to get my dick sucked. What's the matter with you guys? And I would come back and they'd all be staring at me like they didn't like me. You're not part of this house. You're no good.
Starting point is 01:04:48 And then the girl tells me about, I go, I don't know where they get any reefer around here. And she goes, well, the people next door from you seem to smoke pot. So one day I just knocked on the next door. I don't matter. I smelled some reefer. I'm like, come on in. I saw a reefer. She was in I saw reefer she was like 50 he was like 20
Starting point is 01:05:07 she was maybe 48 the ugliest woman you ever seen she could stop bird shit in mid air when she looks up the bird shit will stop she wore little Yoko Ono glasses she was almost as ugly as Yoko Ono I'm no more good but this woman was bird
Starting point is 01:05:24 dog ugly. And her boyfriend was like 20 years younger. That was her boyfriend, not her son. No, he was a trust fund baby with a ponytail, with little glasses, used to roll his own cigarettes. Nerdy, couldn't hurt a fly. They were the sweetest, dirtiest couple you ever met. And she just sat there all day drinking,
Starting point is 01:05:42 and he would run errands for her, and she would sell me weed. So I'm getting weed from them. I'm hooking up with this chick. I'm doing all this stuff, right? But I'm bored. So I call my buddies and I go, listen, this is my address, 1012. Send out some credit cards.
Starting point is 01:06:00 I'm bored. So they start sending me out credit cards. There's a little mall in Boulder. I mean, I'm bored after 10 days, right? 10 days. July 10th, I'm already bored. They send me credit cards. I start using credit cards all around the mall.
Starting point is 01:06:18 Chains. You should have seen my room. You ever see Coming to America? Yeah. When he redid his room? Yeah, yeah. I lived with four, yeah. I lived in four retards.
Starting point is 01:06:28 I had a TV, VCR, I had every movie I ever made. Yeah, they moved downstairs. I had everything. They're like, where you getting all this stuff from? I'm like, I make money you fucking Kato. Make breakfast. I had Kato on breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Starting point is 01:06:44 So, hysterical. Bruce Lee's Chinese, too. That's so. Oh, yeah. And he didn't speak no English, and his parents cut him off because they wanted him to be a doctor. He wanted to be an astronaut. So they cut him off.
Starting point is 01:06:59 So now I got the kid fucking. I'm duking him 20s every time I see him. I got to duke him 20s to get rid of them too because I'd bring a girl over right away who wants to come over and translate with sign language. He thought he was Garcetti's fat little fucking sign language chick, so I would have to give him a Douglas and you got to go. Go where?
Starting point is 01:07:18 Go cook. What do I pay you for? I don't pay you to stand. I pay you to cook. I don't pay you for, I don't pay you to stand, I pay you to cook. So come a Sunday, the gym where I'm going to has this big annual barbecue. It's still July. I'm already, I haven't even been there a month.
Starting point is 01:07:38 I'm sleeping with this girl. She's got a crazy roommate. I'm copping weed and I'm already using the credit card. All right? We go to this barbecue. I'm having a good time with this girl I'm dating, but we bring her roommate, the hot one that would come out with the thong and the fucking, you could hear the dildos in there and shit.
Starting point is 01:08:01 Three weeks of this shit. I'm looking at this girl. I'm like, she's a piece of ass. So we're at this barbecue. So help me God. And I'm sitting there. And the girl I'm with is actually flirting with another dude right in front of me. Now, I'm not her boyfriend.
Starting point is 01:08:18 But at least don't flirt in front of me. Take his number. Cop it for the side. And when I'm not around, you can suck his dick. That's got nothing to do with me. I'm not that type of guy. So she's talking to the thing. So the roommate's got three drinks in him, and she's talking a lot of shit.
Starting point is 01:08:35 That her pussy's so good, I'm missing out on it, that I'm fucking the wrong chick. You want to stab him? She goes, where? I go, I'll fuck you right over there by that wall. You think I'm kidding you? We went over that wall. Everybody could see us. It was only like a three-foot brick wall. It was maybe a three-foot brick wall.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Everybody could see us. We jumped over the wall. She took her panties off, and I did it doggy style. They're playing like tennis. In the middle. They're cooking hamburgers, and I'm doggy style. And all you can see is from my rib cage up. And I'm working this ass, right?
Starting point is 01:09:09 This is hysterical. Now I got to get in the car with both of them. And the one girl is yelling, fuck you. You stole my boyfriend. He wasn't my boyfriend. Fuck you. They get into a fight. It was horrible.
Starting point is 01:09:21 So now I lose them both. Both of them are pissed at me. I lost my piece of ass. The whole thing goes down the drain. I'm sitting in my room one night, and I go, you know what? This is bullshit. I could have done this dumb shit in Jersey. I got to get my life together.
Starting point is 01:09:37 Let me go get a job. So I start putting applications in. It's a college town. It doesn't pick up till September I go everywhere everywhere, well guess what my mistake was without even thinking I go back to this mall and I go in the mall
Starting point is 01:09:55 and I start passing on applications and one place where I heard it was great to work was Foot Locker so I go to Foot Locker give them an application, the guy's from New York right away we start talking, he goes I only got part time, you can start tomorrow Foot Locker. So I go to Foot Locker. Give him an application. The guy's from New York. Right away we start talking. He goes, I only got part-time.
Starting point is 01:10:08 You can start tomorrow. I go, boom. I'll start tomorrow. It had to be the end of July. I start. First day I'm selling sneakers. You know, after three or four days, I know how to run the joint. So I'll never forget this.
Starting point is 01:10:24 And I got to say this story. I'm very ashamed of this story. This is what started it all. What do you mean by it? This is what started the whole rotation of Downward for me. So I'm doing great at this fucking place. I'm making strides.
Starting point is 01:10:42 We're going out for beers afterward. Like I was part of the crew. I'm there about two weeks. I don't know what time I had to go to work. You had the ref jersey and all that, huh? Yeah, the whole thing with black pants. We were just about to do paperwork. No, let's not speed it up.
Starting point is 01:11:00 I'm doing great there. Everything's going great. And one day I have to go in in the afternoon and my room is dirty where the fuck is the vacuum I go out Kato where's the vacuum I don't know I don't know where the vacuum is
Starting point is 01:11:15 okay the fucking white dude he don't know because there's supposed to be a vacuum for the building so as I go out of my apartment, you're not going to believe this story. As I go out of my apartment to look for the vacuum, there's a girl in my hallway,
Starting point is 01:11:34 and we both look at each other and we go, is that you? Two years earlier, I was in Tempe, Arizona, and I met a girl at the airport. Talking. We were both delayed. And she goes, I love your accent. No shit.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Where are you from? She goes, Boulder. I go, I'm from New Jersey. She goes, my sister lives in Jersey. Her husband has an accent like yours. We started talking. She goes, where are you headed? I go, I'm from New Jersey. She goes, my sister lives in Jersey. Her husband has an accent like yours. We started talking. She goes, where are you headed? I go, back to Jersey.
Starting point is 01:12:10 She goes, you know what? I'm going to go to Jersey soon. Why don't you exchange numbers and I'll call you. She called. I would give her like my friend's number. I didn't have a phone. One day my friend looks for me and he goes, hey, some girl, Kathy, called you. And she's staying at such and such on Wednesday. So I got
Starting point is 01:12:28 a hold of her at the hotel and I went over and met her. I had just met her in Arizona. So we basically went to like Joe's Pizza, one of those pizza places in New York, and walked around for two hours. God made my witness. I didn't even try to do anything.
Starting point is 01:12:43 I was in such a slump that a pussy doesn't even go for it because I knew the answer was going to be no. So I walked her back to the hotel like a gentleman. I go, I'll see you some other time. And she gave me her Colorado number. But in all my fucking drug. This is March of 84 when I bump into her and she gives me all this stuff. I have a girlfriend kind of sort of.
Starting point is 01:13:14 It wasn't worth it. I didn't have a girlfriend, so it had to be later than that. It had to be when I was going through my shit that she called and I met her in the city. I didn't try nothing. I just, I was a mess. This was like a breather for me. For me to hang out with her was a breather because I was usually hanging around
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Starting point is 01:18:18 and we went on a date and boom She was my girlfriend the next morning. We stayed out all night. Ended up wrestling with her. Who fucking wrestles on a date? She told me she had three brothers. She used to wrestle them. She wanted to wrestle. So we started wrestling in front of the fucking lawn. She ripped my shirt.
Starting point is 01:18:41 I ripped her shirt. It was tremendous. And we just started dating. And I didn't tell her what I did, you know. And I was doing great at Foot Locker. I was doing great at Foot Locker. In fact, they just had offered me paperwork for full-time position. Me and her were dating like three weeks. She did not know about the credit card scams.
Starting point is 01:19:04 I'm bringing her jewelry every other day and flowers, all bought on a Fugazi credit card. I'm taking her for lunches, all like fake fucking credit cards. So now one day I'm at the fucking Foot Locker. It's August of 85. I'm in a footlocker. And what the fuck do you think happens? A Chinese family comes in.
Starting point is 01:19:31 And they had like one of those celebrations, like one of those yin-yang celebrations where they put all the money in envelopes and put them in one big envelope. So I'm fitting all the kids for sneakers, but am I balling the envelope? I got fucking 10 G's in the bank. You know, this is the shit
Starting point is 01:19:48 that, this is what I said to you. The sickness. I had everything going on, but that envelope was sticking out and it would not fucking... It was whistling at you. I fucking clipped the envelope, I put it in my pocket, I go into the back, I rip the envelope open, there's
Starting point is 01:20:04 I don't know, five grand cash. I fold it. I put in a sneaker, like a size 14 orange sneaker, which nobody's going to touch. And I take the paper and I flush it. I don't know. I just had a weird feeling. I go back out there. I'm talking to the family.
Starting point is 01:20:22 Everything's great. We go to pay. And all of a sudden, they're like, oh, yeah, ma. Oh, yeah, ma. What happened? No. And they're talking about money. When they came into Fort Lauderdale, the money was there. That it had to be somebody who worked there, took it. So I'm like,
Starting point is 01:20:36 there were some kids. And they're like, yeah, those kids took it. So they called the cops. They made a big deal about it. They called the cops. And that's when the about it. They called the cops. And that's when the jewelry chick came over. And she goes, you know what? A couple weeks ago, some guy came in and used a bunch of credit card to get jewelry. He looks like him.
Starting point is 01:20:58 And then they fucking came like three days later. It's like August 20th now, 25th. And they came in to me. came like three days later. It's like August 20th now, 25th. And they came into me. Detective Sipa was his name. Okay. He wasn't even a detective. He was a patrolman.
Starting point is 01:21:19 This is going to come back to haunt you. His name was Sipa, something like that. He comes in and he goes, Jose, can I talk to you? He goes, listen, I know it was you who robbed those Chinese girls. We're just waiting for the tape to come back from the store. He goes, also, we've passed your picture around. You, three or four people recognize you as the guy that ran a credit card scam here.
Starting point is 01:21:44 He goes, it was quite amount, and you ran up. I mean, I was just buying jeans every day. We're waiting on the footage from the gas station. Bro, they couldn't get me. They were doing all this shit, so they came to see me on a Saturday. Then they came back on Sunday, and they're like, listen, Monday we're going to have all the evidence to come and arrest you. If you do this now, it'll be a lot easier on you.
Starting point is 01:22:10 And I'm like, guys, I don't know what you're talking about. That night I go home. They fucking knock on my door that night about 9 o'clock. And they go, listen, we're waiting for the pant sizes to come back. And once we get the pant sizes, we're going to make a, what waist are you? And I'm like, I don't know. You know, I don't know what my waist is. But once they left,
Starting point is 01:22:32 I went downstairs and knocked on their door and took her outside. I go, look, this whole fucking Joey Diaz shit, this is bullshit. My name is Coco and I'm a fucking thief. Yeah, I work at Foot Locker, but I told her the truth. I gotta leave.
Starting point is 01:22:49 I don't want to. You're a sweetheart. You're the first person I've ever had in my life that I don't want to lie to. I don't want to. I'm sick of doing this shit. I'm 20-something years old. You're a nice girl. This bitch looked at me and she goes, I'm coming with you.
Starting point is 01:23:01 nice girl. This bitch looked at me. She goes, I'm coming with you. Next morning, we got up. I said, pick a spot. She goes, San Francisco. San Francisco it is. Got to San Francisco. Now, guess what I did?
Starting point is 01:23:21 I left a 10G. It wasn't like now. You had an ATM card and you had 10. No, I left at 10G in Boulder. I had like six Gs. I said, we'd go to San Francisco, get the party started with six Gs. We went to the Alexandria Hotel. It's probably still there. It's a dump.
Starting point is 01:23:38 It's in that fucking part of town that's horrible. I forget what they call it in San Francisco. Like the Haight-Ashbury back in the day? Downmore. Downmore. There's a name for it. It's horrible. We lived there. We were across the street from a restaurant called the Hotel California
Starting point is 01:23:56 that had breakfast and diners and shit. We stayed at the Alexandria for about a week but it was too expensive so we ended up going to the Virginian Hotel I don't know what street that was on but this was one of those rooms where you take a shower in the hallway
Starting point is 01:24:11 and you live in the room but you have to share a shower with your side of the building you go in that locket you can put your towel down and your clothes and you walk back to your room real cool, older people live there I blew through that six grand like in two weeks. Like in dinners, breakfasts.
Starting point is 01:24:32 So I had to go on the grind. You know, I'm buying. So here's what really happened. So it's 1985. I haven't dealt with anybody Cuban. I haven't spoken any Spanish. And I go to San Francisco. We check in the Virginian Hotel. I haven't spoken any Spanish. And I go to San Francisco. We check in the Virginian Hotel.
Starting point is 01:24:48 I tell the estate, I'm going to go get a bag of weed. And I walk down the Tenderloin. That's what the area is called. I walk down there, and as I'm walking, I see these black guys, African-American. And I'm like, I'll go ask them if they have weed. And as I walk up to them, they're speaking Spanish. And they're not just speaking any Spanish.
Starting point is 01:25:11 They're speaking Cuban Spanish. And I asked them, do I go out on there? Like, we all Cuban. There was like 60 of them on that corner. And they're just shaking down people, selling coke, selling IDs. So I introduced myself. down people, selling coke, selling IDs. So I introduced myself. I met one of the guys, and I started buying weed from him.
Starting point is 01:25:33 And that's like three or four days. They're like, you speak English? I'm like, yeah. They're like, you could be a little helpful with the whole operation here. Oh, they didn't speak English at all? No. No? Ah. So they had a bunch of shit to do that they could do, but they didn't speak English at all? No. So they had a bunch of shit to do
Starting point is 01:25:46 that they could do, but they didn't know, you know, how to do it. But just standing on that corner, all the action came to you. So I'd be on that corner, and you'd come up to me and go, hey, man, I got 600 in traveler's checks. I'll give
Starting point is 01:26:02 you 200 for 600 in traveler's checks. Because I give you 200 or 600 traveler's checks. Because I know I could take that to Japantown by Van Ness with a suit on and I could charge. I could take a $100 traveler's check, buy a dollar
Starting point is 01:26:17 postcard, they'll give me 99 cash. So I come ahead. They're insured. So I became Mr. Traveler's Check anybody who had Traveler's Checks they brought them to me anybody who stole Traveler's Checks they brought them to me there was one guy on the block
Starting point is 01:26:34 that you had to pay him his tribute every day all I had to do was give him a bottle of scotch he liked a certain expensive scotch so I gave him a scotch and that let me operate on the block. I had to pay a little vig to help out a couple guys, but it was okay, because every time I'd go down,
Starting point is 01:26:50 I had to make money. I'd go down there with a suit. First thing I did was go to a liquor store, give the old man his tribute at Boodle. That was his name, at Boodle. And he just dropped history on you, and shit Cuban history. I used to talk to him all the time. I'll never forget one day this Mexican dude came up to me.
Starting point is 01:27:06 He's like, I need money. And then Budo's like, talk to me in Spanish, you motherfucker. You're fucking Mexican. Spock, Spock. He goes, you know how many fucking white people kicked your fucking family's ass and threw them out? He goes, California used to belong to Mexico. And white people took your Mexico. Now you want to speak Spanish?
Starting point is 01:27:24 Go fuck yourself. Speak English, whatever Mexico. Now you want to speak Spanish? Go fuck yourself. Speak English, whatever the fuck. You want to speak English? Go fuck yourself. When you talk to me, speak Spanish. I was just an old fountain of, but it was just a collaboration of fucking characters. And, bro, I was doing everything.
Starting point is 01:27:42 One day I'd be doing traveler's checks. One day I'd be passing out counterfeit loot. It was endless, endless. My girlfriend at the time wasn't doing dick. I was bringing home the money. We would go to Tad's Steakhouse, Chinese. We were living day to day, like after a while, hand to mouth. So I started pawning jewelry.
Starting point is 01:28:04 You start pawning jewelry with the credit cards. You buy jewelry. You pawn it. Whatever. There was a place called Coffee Runs. It was a topless coffee shop. Topless coffee shop? In 1985. No shit.
Starting point is 01:28:16 My girlfriend at the time. They would serve you topless? Yeah. Yeah? You could either be topless behind the bar, or you could have a shirt on. Okay. Whatever you want. you could have a shirt on whatever you want my girlfriend kept her shirt on so she
Starting point is 01:28:28 would work at whatever and then I walked into a you know like I was always trying to go legit I don't want people to think I was always a criminal like I was always trying to go legit but on those days when I couldn't get a job I had to go back to what I did best you know
Starting point is 01:28:44 and I remember one day I went get a job, I had to go back to what I did best, you know? And I remember one day I went for a job at a Mexican restaurant, and I wrote the application, I gave it to the guy. The guy goes, where are you from? And I go, North Bergen, New Jersey. And he goes, what did your parents do for a living? Like, they owned a bar. And he goes, well, guess what?
Starting point is 01:29:11 My name is Jose Diaz, and I'm from Union City, New Jersey. We're like third cousins. Come on. My human well's nephew. I go, no, I'm Manny's son. And he goes, my cousin is your father's uncle. So he goes, listen, bro, it's great to meet you. That is nuts.
Starting point is 01:29:30 He goes, I can't give you a job, but I'll get you a job at another bar. Let me call my friend. We'll wait right here. And he got me a job. So how long are you in San Francisco at this point? A couple months? I'm in San Francisco maybe three weeks. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:29:45 And he gets me a job at a place called Rockin' Robbins. There's a bartender slash doorman. And I go, okay, so fuck it. I'll be a bartender out of here. So when I left him, when I went to the Sheraton, I was part of the American Bartender Institute. The Sheraton sent you to American Bartender School, and you get certified to be a bartender.
Starting point is 01:30:07 Big fucking deal. You might as well drive an Uber, right? So if you go to bartending school, you're a fucking loser, okay? There's nothing better than going to bartending school because you find out the true alcoholics on Thursday, they would have, like, mixed night, like, drink all the mistakes you want for 50 cents. You just see how many people go in there.
Starting point is 01:30:29 Oh, they show up and drink when you're practicing. You're making Singapore slings with the wrong shit. 50 cents, people don't give a fuck. They're just drinking up the mistakes. They would make like a pseudo bar. But part of the National American Comedy, whatever it was, part of the National American Comedy,
Starting point is 01:30:45 whatever it was, part of it was that they had to hire you. It was nationwide, whatever, for the rest of your life. Oh, okay. So I could walk into an American Bar Academy,
Starting point is 01:31:01 tell them my number, they could go on the computer, and they had to send me on job auditions. I don't even know if they still exist. So I'm just walking down the street after this interview, and I look up, and I go, American Bartender School. I walk upstairs, and I go, hey, my name is Joey Diaz. I went to the school in New York.
Starting point is 01:31:19 They go, hold on. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. How you doing? John, this is whatever. I have Joey Diaz here. Do you have him on file? Hold on. In those days, there was no peep, peep. How you doing? John, this is whatever. I have Joey Diaz here. Do you have my file? Hold on. In those days, there was no computer.
Starting point is 01:31:29 Somebody had to go to a file. I said, yeah, he graduated in February of 84. Okay, thank you, but we'll get you a job. In fact, we got a job that's perfect for you. Are you Italian? I go, no, I'm Cuban. He goes, don't say nothing to him. Just tell him you're Italian.
Starting point is 01:31:45 I'll never forget, I'm Cuban. He goes, don't say nothing to him. Just tell him you're Italian. I'll never forget. This is horrible. He gives me this piece of paper, and he goes, go down there. They want to talk to you at 945. Now, if you know anything about me, I'm going to get there at fucking 9. That's how I was raised. So I get there at 5 after 9. I get there with my suit.
Starting point is 01:32:02 My girlfriend goes with me. So I get there at 5 after 9. I get there with my suit. My girlfriend goes with me. We are down to the money we took on the bus to get there. That's what we have. We don't have a dime of money. Every dollar we have, we just spent on the bus right there.
Starting point is 01:32:20 She's waiting outside. I go inside. Only this could happen to me. Now, I didn't have the Rockin' Robbins job yet. Like, I was going for an interview that night later. This was my first interview of the day. And this is for a lunchtime bartender. So I go in there and I'm like, the paper says I'm looking for Art. Art. Art, hello. I'm here at 9 o'clock, 945. You know, the coffee's on. No, Art.
Starting point is 01:32:53 I walk a little deeper. Art. Art. I keep walking. And there you go. There's an office wide open. I was waiting for it. No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:33:10 go there's an office wide open with the bank deposit and the safe wide open with stacks of money i'm like oh art's about to get ripped apart three two one and i go in there And I just start taking that stack of cash I'm putting the cash down my pockets Because I've done some bad I'm putting it down my pockets I'm putting it in my jackets I take everything But I'm a fucking gavone I go for the quarters
Starting point is 01:33:39 The stacks of $10 quarters And I put them all in this pocket here Because this pocket was filled with cash. So when I walk out of the office, I walk in, and my jacket is twisted. This side's all heavy. It's all twisted. I walk out, and the guy's like, hey, what are you doing here? I'm like, I'm looking for Steve.
Starting point is 01:33:59 He's like, Steve? We got no Steve here. I'm Art. I thought you were my 945. I go, no, no, no, I'm not looking for a job. My friend told me to meet him here. He goes Steve here. I'm Art. I thought you were my 945. I go, no, no, no. I'm not looking for a job. My friend told me to meet him here. He goes, oh, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:34:09 What restaurant? I go, I think it's Amelia's. He goes, I think that's down the corner. And I walked out of there. And that's when I heard him go, come back. And by that time, I grabbed my girlfriend, and we just took off. 20s were flying out of my jacket.
Starting point is 01:34:24 We're running up the fucking hills of San Francisco. We finally see a bus and we get on the fucking bus and we jump on it. We get in the back. We're like, was that close? She goes, what the fuck just happened? I go, let me tell you what just happened. I start giving her like $100 and quarters. And I'm taking 20s out of every fucking
Starting point is 01:34:45 suitcase I got every package and all of a sudden we counted up I don't know, a thousand bucks we put it in our pocket, she had $100 and quarters as I'm getting off the bus a little old lady goes whose $20 bill is this?
Starting point is 01:35:02 I know it's mine but fuck it, you take it for good luck. She goes, God bless you. So I made this call. But this is the killer from Manila. When I was a kid, and no offense to the LGBT community, when I was a kid and I wore a scarf, like every once in a while I would wear a scarf
Starting point is 01:35:26 and my mom would go, come here. What are you, Rock Hudson? Get the fucking scarf off. Now, my mother died in 79. I love that your mom knew because my grandmother denied the shit out of like, he fucking, he said it. My mother 79. My mother
Starting point is 01:35:42 died. Rock didn't come out until 85. If I call me, when you're Cuban, you're supposed to call me here on the left side. If you call me on the right side, they'll call you over. Come here. What are you, Rock Hudson? You're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Starting point is 01:36:00 So my mother over the years would call me different names whenever I acted a certain way. Instead of calling me gay, she'd say something what are you going to grow up to be a Bouguaron? Now a Bouguaron is a guy in jail that commands respect because he takes you and he makes you gay. You suck his dick
Starting point is 01:36:17 and he fucks you in the ass. But you don't fuck him in the ass. And he don't suck your dick. He's basically your husband. And in the Cuban traditions, he could smack you, beat you up, and you got to take it. There's no one, 9-1-1. There's no fucking hell is for children.
Starting point is 01:36:36 There's nothing. You take the beat, and that's how it is. Now, I ain't heard this. I ain't heard about this. Did I ever see it? No. Well, guess what? It's the summer of San Francisco in
Starting point is 01:36:49 85. I saw it. One day I'm on the corner and they're like, shit, don't say nothing, bro. This is the big time coke guy. And he came like with the cape over him. Like, you know, flamboyant as hell. Yeah, I just came back from Miami. I got the good shit
Starting point is 01:37:06 if you guys want it I'm in room 131 at this hotel down the corner I'm like 131 where Rob the guy and they're like dog he's connected all the way to Miami he'll get shot in the head but he had two guys dressed up as women
Starting point is 01:37:20 that would hang out with him like with a day hole beard women that would stuff their bras and they hang out with him, like with a day-old beard, women that would stuff their bras, and they would walk with him. And what he would do is he'd stand on the opposite of us, and they'd hold the coke. And you'd go up to him, and he'd go sell him a gram, and she'd collect it.
Starting point is 01:37:39 But when one would fuck up, he'd, like, smack them, right, in public. And they would fall down. The weight would fall down. You couldn't write this shit. Like even today I'm looking at this and I'm like Jesus Christ. What is my, I'm 22 and I'm seeing a
Starting point is 01:37:56 straight man beat up on a poor gay guy that doesn't even know he's gay. Like he's caught up in a cult. It was, and I saw him punch him. Like, one day they made a mistake, got him the wrong cigarettes. He threw a beat on one of those fags. He was just beating him like
Starting point is 01:38:11 it was just crazy. The guy was on the floor. He threw the wig on top of him. He kept kicking him in the stomach. Don't you ever get me the wrong cigarettes. That's a sign of no disrespect. The guy's bleeding from his mouth. It was just hilarious. After's a sign of no disrespect. The guy's bleeding from his mouth. It was just hilarious. After about a week,
Starting point is 01:38:27 the guy watches me and he knows I can handle myself. He asked me if I had a gun. I told him, yeah. He goes, listen, I need somebody to watch my back on that corner. It's a deadly corner. So he gains my trust. I'm
Starting point is 01:38:44 working for like the small hundred a day, and no cocaine. I wasn't doing cocaine. I wouldn't even touch it. Wouldn't even touch it. But he keeps talking about this room 131. So one day he goes to eat lunch, and he goes, I'll be back in an hour.
Starting point is 01:39:06 We're going to the other side of town I go I'm going to 131 I go to 131 kick the fucking door down this is the genius your uncle Joey is I go to 131 kick the door down in the middle of the room is a fucking bag
Starting point is 01:39:23 I unzipipped the bag. There's no Coke. I don't know if there was no Coke, but let's just say there's no Coke. What there is is about maybe 20 grand in American cash. Damn. And when I zip it back, when I zip the other zipper,
Starting point is 01:39:48 there's stacks of Colombian money. Stacks. Then he had another bag that had stacks of Colombian money. Stacks. I mean, I don't even know how much it was. So what do you think the guy in front of you did? I took all the Colombian money because there was so much of it in this bag that rivaled the American cash.
Starting point is 01:40:12 I go, let him keep the cash. We'll make this look like one of the gay guys did it. So I'll take the Colombian money. So I take the Colombian money. I take it to my hotel room. I go back to the corner like nothing happened. He comes back an hour later. I've been robbed.
Starting point is 01:40:28 They took the Colombian money. Blah, blah, blah. I'm going to find out who it is and put a bullet. I'm like, I'll do it for you. I've been here the whole day watching. You should have sent me over there to watch. This would have happened if you would have sent me with you. I'm one of those guys.
Starting point is 01:40:42 I'll put you together. That's why I shut my fucking door. So I run home. I get on the phone with my goombas and jerseys. I'm like, dog, listen. Rent out the garden. And they're like, what? I go, see what it is to rent out the garden.
Starting point is 01:40:58 I got to have at least three, four million Colombians. That's got to be at least a million dollars. I'm going to pick it up tomorrow tomorrow and I'm going to come home. I went down to the corner and I've got the biggest, blackest dude that hung out with the Cubans. He had to be 6'6", 2'80". Big black guy.
Starting point is 01:41:16 He goes, what's up, Cuba? I go, tomorrow you got to walk me to the fucking international bank. It was right across the street where people do fucking Tai Chi. San Francisco, there's a hundred people out there doing Tai Chi. You gotta see me at nine o'clock.
Starting point is 01:41:33 I got one of my best suits on. I got Sinatron. I lost you. I lost you to the summer wind. I got my cuffs. I told my girlfriend, I go, when I come back here we're gonna be millionaires. She's like, what are you talking about?
Starting point is 01:41:48 I go, what do you think is in the bag? I go downstairs, big Lou's down there waiting for me. He's got a weapon on him. I got a weapon on me. I go, Lou, listen, we're going to go over there. I got about four million here. Hopefully, they'll give me a million American. And I'll cut you
Starting point is 01:42:04 and I'll give you like 10 grand and then you have to drive me we gotta figure out how to get to the airport I'm going back to Jersey I called all my friends in Jersey I got a million dollars I got a million dollars the bank opens at 9
Starting point is 01:42:21 I'm there at 10 to 9 I'm saluting the flag what a great country oh my god The bank opens at 9. I'm there at 10 to 9. I'm saluting the flag. What a great country. Oh, my God. She opens up the door. And I'm like, it's your lucky day. And she goes, what's going on? How much do you have to transfer?
Starting point is 01:42:37 I go, I don't know. And I start taking it out in badges and putting it out. She's like hitting that calculator. I'm hearing all these numbers and I'm like oh. And I'm looking at the black guy. I'm like bro we're fucking. We're living lives. We're getting barbecued.
Starting point is 01:42:56 We ain't fucking around and shit. This bitch hit numbers for like an hour. I'm thinking. I'm playing with her. I'm like you think you got enough cash back there to pay me? And she's like looking at me like. All of a sudden she goes. And she rips the thing around and she goes, this is what you got coming to you.
Starting point is 01:43:16 It was like $390. I gave the guy $100. I wanted to cry. I walked back to the fucking thing. Now I got to go down to the corner. I got to face the fags with the Cuban guy. They're all pissed off. So this was part of the thing.
Starting point is 01:43:44 But there was a guy in the building that I kept robbing every week. At the Virginian Hotel. There was nobody safe. First of all, I became the best hotel thief because I would sit in the lobby and wait for you to check in. I had great Spider-Man hearing. And whenever you would check in, they'd go, go to room 311. I'd see you go up to 311.
Starting point is 01:44:08 In San Francisco, people go up to their rooms, get their cameras, and they run right out. I would go up to the room, take the door down, take the traveler's checks. And then I'd follow. In my building, I just followed the maid around. And one day, she would open the door with the key and leave the key in the thing. I creeped up behind her, took the key, took it off, not even took it off the ring, went downstairs. There was a bodega slash fucking lumberyard downstairs, right downstairs.
Starting point is 01:44:40 They made me a spare, and I put it back before she even knew it was missing. That's how good it was. And I had that key, and there was one old man that was retired, and he'd always sit in the lobby downstairs. I'm a bookie, if you want to. And he would do those ticket slips. So I would go into his house every Friday and take like his poor little $150 from the slips,
Starting point is 01:45:03 and I'd leave the gambling slips. I was just torturing them. Every week. Everybody gets it. Around me those days, you got it. So I'm banging them out like three weeks in a row. But I'm also doing rule number one.
Starting point is 01:45:19 I'm shitting where I sleep. I'm starting to fucking hit the people in the building. And I was friends with the fucking guy who ran the hotel and I was friends with his wife. And we're going out to dinner and drinks and they're telling us
Starting point is 01:45:36 we think it's a guy in room 14 that's robbing people. And I'm like, yeah, it's probably him. The whole time it was me. There was a little gay guy. We had a... We had... If you opened up your window,
Starting point is 01:45:52 there was no view. There was no bridge. It was another window there, another window there, another window where you are. And it was maybe eight feet. There was a guy in that window that would put that music on by Stevie Wonder. You and me, part-time lovers.
Starting point is 01:46:12 He would put a thong on and leave the window open. He was gay. And he would just dance the part-time lover. He would put it on over and over and over. It's like, oh, part-time. Give it a part time! And he'd go, fuck you man! I'm getting ready for my performance tonight!
Starting point is 01:46:32 So I'm doing this shit I'm torturing the guy I'm robbing the bookie and I'm fucking bartending, I think Monday I worked the door and I had a Thursday bartending shift. And that's what I'm doing.
Starting point is 01:46:48 And I'm not doing, guys, and I'm with the Cubans in the daytime, I'm not doing bad, but I got greedy. Again, one day I'm downstairs, and these fucking guys come in, they're talking German. And I don't know, Wunderbar, I don't know, I heard money. That sounds like money, huh? They leave, and I go right know, I don't know, I heard money. That sounds like money, huh? They leave, and I go right to that room. I open it up, I close it,
Starting point is 01:47:12 I go to their luggage, I go to nothing. Guess what? They're at the door trying to open the door. Oh, fuck! So I lock the top lock. They can't get in. Who's in there? who's in there?
Starting point is 01:47:26 And I actually go out the window to see if I can walk the ledge. Thank God I'm on the second floor, but I don't have the balls. I gotta go to the ledge and I don't have the balls. So I go, what am I gonna do? They keep knocking. And I say, hotel security, who's in there? It was my friend. And I open the door and he goes, what the fuck you doing?
Starting point is 01:47:44 And I go, Bart, before you say anything. I go, I'm sorry. who was in there was my friend and i opened the door and he goes what the fuck you doing i go bart before you say anything i go i'm sorry i go the door was open and i thought the maid was in here i came in here to get two towels and there was no towels and the germans were like we're calling the police and i go call the police i didn't take nothing i didn't touch nothing you guys knocked on the door and I got scared. I was just going to take some towels. I go, how long do I live here? I've been here like two months with no problems. They're like,
Starting point is 01:48:11 ooh, somebody's been doing shit around here. And the cops came and I talked the cops out of it. I'm like, I've been here for two months. I work at Rockin' Robbins. I go, why would I rob somebody? I go, I went to get towels and they're like well it's true the maid and the two cops let me go but the Germans
Starting point is 01:48:30 were like they called their embassy did they they did they're like this is bullshit if we were white you would arrest him so they started pushing for it so the restaurant the guy that owned the hotel, the guy that I was friends with, called my room and he goes, hey, the cops are on their way to arrest you. You might as well get out of here. So me and my girlfriend packed up. There was a back set of stairs and we could see them walking up the stairs. We were going down. We ran maybe two blocks and those were buses to Reno.
Starting point is 01:49:02 we ran maybe two blocks and those were buses to Reno for like the night you go to Reno five hour drive and I remember getting on the bus and fucking there was an Arab guy on there and he was smoking and I go what do you smoke and he goes I get weed and I mix it with
Starting point is 01:49:18 cigar and I put hash in it and I go let me get a hit of that I thought I was going to fucking die so that's it you're out of San Francisco And I put hash in it. And I go, let me get a hit of that. I thought I was going to fucking die. So that's it. You're out of San Francisco now. I puked all the way to Reno. We basically went to Reno, got off the bus, walked,
Starting point is 01:49:36 and then came back to San Francisco. And then we just went to the airport. And I had enough money to put her on a flight. And then we just went to the airport. And I had enough money to put her on a flight. So the plan was for her to go to Boulder, go to her bank account, go to my bank account, and get me a plane ticket for me to fly back to Boulder. It had gotten too hot and whatever for me. So I lived in the San Francisco airport for two days.
Starting point is 01:50:04 You did? Yeah. That's when nobody knew nothing. Right, yeah, back then. Nobody had an idea. There was no charging phones, everything. And I remember even then that every time you went to a bathroom, a guy would walk in and he'd go up next to you and piss next to you
Starting point is 01:50:20 to try to look at your dick. And I remember sitting there all day going, what is this guy doing? All these flights have taken off, and he's still here. But he goes to the bathroom, and I go, let me see if this guy's a closet gay guy. Sure enough, I go to the bathroom, and I'm pissing. He comes in with me.
Starting point is 01:50:41 He's like two things away, and he comes in next to me. He looks at my dick. I'm like, you freaky motherfucker i'll beat that because i was raw back then and uh what a great idea though god you could have lived in an airport back i was living in the airport you could have just moved terminal terminal they're not gonna follow you or figure that out in those days they flew all night right 3 a.m flights yeah you know there were flights to fucking so they didn't't know. There was no international terminal. You could fly next to a flight that was going to Hong Kong,
Starting point is 01:51:09 and they were boarding. Wow. Bars closed at like 2 then, but there were lockers at airports, and you could put your fucking things out. That's right. So we went back to San Francisco. We went back to Boulder Boulder and we basically stayed in Boulder for a week.
Starting point is 01:51:30 And when I called my buddy to tell him if I should come up, he goes, I have news to tell you. You know that girl that came out here from North Bergen to be with me? I go, yeah. He goes, she's knocked up.
Starting point is 01:51:46 We're moving back to Jersey. You could take the job. Whoa. It was a house-sitting job. It was 16 hours of work a week, free rent in Snowmass Village, Colorado. You have no idea. Most people would suck a cock for that job. Like you could get somebody to suck your cock
Starting point is 01:52:05 wait a second I get to live in a fucking two million dollar house for free the guy worked he was on the board of directors of Fridays TGIF so he only it was one of his 18 houses
Starting point is 01:52:21 so he only came once a year. And he had a Jeep. And he wanted you to use the Jeep. So when he came to town, everything was running. He didn't want you in his house. He built a house for you over the garage. That was great.
Starting point is 01:52:38 It was great. Fuck you. I was living in his master bedroom the second night. You know what I'm saying? Jacuzzi, skiing, ski out. I had the fucking, I had the thing going. I asked my buddy. My buddy had the job for like three years.
Starting point is 01:52:55 I go, does he ever come? He goes, he'll call you a week before. The guy's cool. He knows what we're doing here. He'll call you a week before. Paint, 16 hours of work is basically mowing the lawn in the summer and shoveling snow in the winter. I moved in there like November of 85.
Starting point is 01:53:19 And I was good. I got a job at the Crestwood at night as security at a hotel from 4 to 12. I would pick people up at the airport and check them in. And then I got a job at a video place called Commander Video in Snowmass Village. Just my love for movies. I met Michael Douglas there. I met Robin Williams there. I met Sidney Poitier there. It was great.
Starting point is 01:53:47 First month, I think it took me a month to start snorting. That's when you finally got back in. New Year's. Oh, New Year's. By the year. By the year. I stayed clean for a year and I think it was like either that New Year's or two days after New Year
Starting point is 01:54:04 I snorted a little bit and I was like okay I have respect for it now so I would snort once a week once a week on Saturdays me and the girlfriend would get a package fucking sniff each other's assholes fucking suck
Starting point is 01:54:21 and you know that was it that was what you did when you were that age. You know, get coked up and they'll give you those half hour blowjobs and you eat their ass for an hour and you tie them up. I wasn't even into tying people up back then. I was just a square.
Starting point is 01:54:37 But that's all it was. It was very innocent. Then, a guy that I'm still friends with calls me one day out of the blue, and he goes, hey, I'm in Denver. You mind if I show up? There's something I got to show you. And he comes up.
Starting point is 01:54:52 His name is Danny B. He's called into my podcast a thousand times. He shows up to Aspen, and he shows me this Coke. He tells me how he buys Coke, and he re-rocks it. And he could sell it to you for $800. So I asked around. They wanted $1,800 for an ounce.
Starting point is 01:55:13 He would give it to me for $8. Even if I sold it for $16. I made an $800 profit. God forbid I cut it. God forbid I cut it. God forbid I cut it. So I started borrowing money, like I would go to you and go,
Starting point is 01:55:31 give me $3,000, $4,500 for two days. What are you talking about? Because I already had the Coke sold. The Coke was so good, it was sold. It was already gone. When I'd borrow money from you i had already had the coke sold so all i had to do is bring the coke back get the money and give it to you that's what i was doing i would take a flight back to jersey every wednesday
Starting point is 01:55:57 and come back with a quarter keat nine ounces i was beating up the local drug dealers. They couldn't even compete with me. I would sell like seven ounces for $1,500 and I would still make $700 per ounce plus I'd cut it and then I was selling grams for $80. And I'd sell them for
Starting point is 01:56:19 $40 and I'd put a little rock in the package and a little bit of chunk and I'd still cut it. And I had a dude, Carl Hall, selling for me. He would go out at night because I didn't go out at night. He would go out and come back. He would sell two ounces a night in fucking bindles. It was just crazy. But I was snorting fucking everything.
Starting point is 01:56:39 Then I figured out, I'm flying back there with coke and I'm flying back there with Coke. And I'm flying back there with nothing. And I'm bringing back Coke. And I go, why don't we fucking build this business up? So I started bringing back pounds of mushrooms. Oh, all right. And they went nuts.
Starting point is 01:57:05 Because in my hometown, it was all microdiet acid. You'd get top dollar for mushrooms. But then a friend of mine asked me something that was crazy. He goes, can you get guns? And I go, let me check. And I went down to the gun store, and I go, I want to buy a gun. They're like, give us your ID. Pick one.
Starting point is 01:57:23 That was it then, huh? So I picked one. I was it then, huh? So I picked one. I was buying guns from this guy. And then I got it where I'd go to you. And I knew the guns were 400 new. I could get six and a quarter. But I got the same holster that Don Johnson used. Remember that? With the one ear
Starting point is 01:57:45 and the two clips here. It was called the spider or something. You're not going to believe this. I would land. I would take the 7 a.m. flight out of Aspen, which got you to Denver at 8 a.m., which got you
Starting point is 01:58:02 on a 940 flight from Denver to Newark. I arrived in Newark like I wanted to. I would walk off the plane with a suitcase filled with guns, two bags of mushrooms, underwear, socks, and a toothbrush, just in case you looked in there. I'd lock the suitcase and nobody could go in there. All the guns were in boxes. They were brand new. I would
Starting point is 01:58:28 get to my friend Danny B's house and he'd have like eight guys and say, hey, how you doing? And I would get ready. I'd put the whole straw with the gun and I'd come out like dancing and they'd go crazy. 800! We'll give them 9! 950!
Starting point is 01:58:44 How do you model modeling this fucking shit? It's fucking hysterical. Why would you? I'd sell it and pull the gun out of him and tell him to lay down. Lay the fuck down. Lay the fuck down. I'm sorry. I'm fucking with you.
Starting point is 01:58:56 And they would go, oh, you scared us. And then one time, I brought a pound of fucking mushrooms. Okay? I put a pound of mushrooms. Danny was crazy at the time. Danny B was crazy. I mean, our whole worlds were crazy. I'll never forget walking to Danny B's house with the guns
Starting point is 01:59:15 and him going, listen, I'm going to be busy for an hour. Is there something you could do? I'm like, me and your cousin are going to get a sandwich. And I remember coming back home, and he's on the phone talking to a drug dealer. He's got his safe. It's a huge safe. It's like a three-foot, four-foot safe. It's wide open.
Starting point is 01:59:36 And there was money on the top shelf, and the rest was little bottles of decadarabalin steroids. Okay. Because he also sold steroids. It was justadarabalin steroids. Okay. Because he also sold steroids. It was just rows and rows of steroids. And on top of the safe was a mirror with a little mountain of coke on it and three lines cut out. And he's talking.
Starting point is 01:59:57 I'm watching this from the couch. And he's talking to whoever he's talking to. He's like, yeah, I know, man, I know. He's like, hold on. Ma, get the shot ready. And he's like, I know. I know how it is, man. Yeah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 02:00:10 And he would talk to his mama. Ma, get the shot ready. I didn't know what was going on. And he'd go, listen, I got to call you back. My mom's going to shoot me. All right. He would go into the room. And he would go, Ma, you ready?
Starting point is 02:00:22 And she would go, yeah. And he would bend over, do a line of coke, and then she would shoot him with the steroid. Come on. You can't write this shit. And I can have this motherfucker. He's sleeping now. His mom's in trouble with steroids.
Starting point is 02:00:38 With steroids. But here's what gets better. And we'll tell you. He had a younger brother, not the sharpest guy, a little retarded, never had a chance at life. God just never gave him a full brain. I forget what his name was. Lee, what was the guy's name that went to jail?
Starting point is 02:00:59 What was his name? We tried to get him a job. This guy's career started as a 14-year-old. He would put fishing lines down night depository boxes. People make deposits at night. And one
Starting point is 02:01:16 night he fished a bank deposit bag with 14 grand. He took a cab to Kennedy Airport and he tipped the cab driver $100 bill. And he took a flight to Hawaii Kennedy Airport and he tipped the cab driver a hundred dollar bill and he took a flight to Hawaii and they caught him in Hawaii so they put him back in jail hilarious
Starting point is 02:01:32 they recognize him by him giving a hundred dollar tip to the cab driver Gary Gary so Gary was about maybe 13 one day. It was like a year before he thinks about the fish line thing.
Starting point is 02:01:51 I'd get there, and I'd get there, and they'd go, what'd you bring us? And I'd put weed on the table. They'd go, ah! You know, let me see the guns. Ah! And then I I put mushrooms. There was a bag of mushrooms.
Starting point is 02:02:08 At this time, that would be an ounce or two. And they were dry. And I put them on top of the table. And we were in the bedroom. It was me, Danny, and his partner. Danny. No, Tommy. And I don't know who was in the kitchen,
Starting point is 02:02:25 but I'm hearing, like somebody's eating. I go, Danny, who the fuck? He goes, what the fuck is that? We go out there, it's the 13-year-old brother eating the mushrooms like they're fucking snacks. I mean, he's like. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:52 Then he's like, Gary, what the fuck are you doing? Those are cyber-sailing mushrooms. And he's like, what's a mushroom? He goes, obviously, you're going to fucking see. How many of those things did G.E. eat? He goes, I don't know. He ate like fucking a quarter of a bag. He's 13 years old.
Starting point is 02:03:10 Me, Danny, we all go out drinking. We go snort coke. We walk in at 4 o'clock. We pull up to the house. And Danny goes, fuck, my house is dark. I wonder what's going on in there. He goes, whip out your guns. Something's not right.
Starting point is 02:03:26 We fucking go for the guns. We all carry guns. We open up the door. We walk up the stairs. We turn the light on and there's this 13-year-old brother in the living room sitting there by himself with his wires wide open. He's rubbing his legs and he goes, what?
Starting point is 02:03:41 I'm not tripping? That was it. That was it. We fucking died. We're like, ah! So believe it or not, Ryan Sickler, I was fucking making money.
Starting point is 02:03:57 I was making money hand over fist because I was selling so much coke so fast that I wasn't snorting it. So even if I fucked up, I'd make money. Right. And at one point, I was up like 60 grand. That's the only time I've ever been a winner in my life.
Starting point is 02:04:21 By September of 86, I was up like 60 grand under my bed. And then something happened. It just snapped. I could not have any success. And I started just flying over there to get the Coke and snort it with my friends. Me, this dude Mike, and my girlfriend at the time. By that time I had another Kato. He wasn't Chinese though.
Starting point is 02:04:49 It was Keith Korn. They just called him Kato. I had Carl. I had this whole army and we were just selling bare minimums. And then the people who I was dealing against this is one of the wildest stories I'll ever tell you.
Starting point is 02:05:06 This is like one of the wildest things. But this is just to let you know where I was as a 23-year-old man. There was a couple other drug dealers. They blew up a drug dealer in Aspen. His name was Dan Grabo. They blew him up. He got arrested. He had like $8 million on him in cash. Damn.
Starting point is 02:05:30 They didn't find no drugs that were going to arrest him for tax evasion. And 12 days before, you can look this stuff up if you want. December 12th, 1986, as he got in his car,
Starting point is 02:05:45 he went to start the Jeep and a pipe bomb. Oh, they really blew him up. Yeah, they weren't playing games. So that network was scrambling. That network was scrambling. And here I am behind their back pulling $1,500 ounces, cutting that. And then I'm taking their street action from them because I had a couple dealers
Starting point is 02:06:07 that, I don't like going out and selling on my belly. It's called selling drugs on your belly. I didn't like it, going to a bar and having a package. You can't go, it's like being in a stolen car. So they did it. I gave them like, I said, listen, just give me the principle.
Starting point is 02:06:24 You can make all the profit, but I need this shit out of my house because I'll snort it. I gave them like, I said, listen, just give me the principle. You can make all the profit, but I need this shit out of my house because I'll snort it. I remember I had a bomb. At that time, the big thing was bazookas. You take a cup like this, you put three fingers of water in there, you throw a gram of Coke
Starting point is 02:06:39 and three tenths of baking soda and you put it in the microwave oven for 26 seconds. Once you get addicted to the b soda, and you put it in the microwave oven for 26 seconds. Once you get addicted to the bing, once you hear bing, you take it out, and there'll be little white pebbles in there. You take the white pebbles out, you let them dry, and you put them, you cut them up with a razor blade, you take a joint with regular paper, roll up the joint,
Starting point is 02:07:03 and then take that cocaine and sprinkle it into the joint, that pure cocaine, you roll it. Then you get a lighter, you melt the fucking coke into the reefer, you spark it up, that's a bazooka. They call that Cocoa Puffs in Baltimore. In Colombia, they would take the nicotine out and put coke and smoke it with nicotine. We went on a roll with that shit.
Starting point is 02:07:24 Once that took over, our neighbor, we went on a roll. And then we were just getting the weed. We ran out of rolling papers one night, and I had one of those not glass bongs, but the other type of that other material, like plexiglass. Yeah. We smoked so many bazookas that the bong collapsed like tower number two. It just kept going down and down. We woke up. It was like the bong collapsed like tower number two.
Starting point is 02:07:47 It just kept going down and down. We woke up. It was like a bong for a midget. It just collapsed. That's how much heat we put through it with the fucking blowtorch. Oh, God, dude. So I wanted a complete and total disrespectful tear. Like, I really. At the end of 86.
Starting point is 02:08:08 Really at the end of 86. And then what really kicked it open was I was supposed to go to my girlfriend's brother's wedding. She left on a Wednesday. And all my cocaine foundings, I had found this coke that they called, like, I forget what they called it, like white powder mock coke or something. Sea of Pearl. They had a name for it. I happened to get two ounces of it.
Starting point is 02:08:37 It was pink. It was going for 2,000 an ounce. The guy owed me a favor, gave it to me for like 14. I took two ounces. I was going to save him for the wedding. So I had this friend who was an electrician. I brought the two ounces to his house. He didn't get high. And I go, put these in your safe. I do not want to touch them. For a month, I didn't touch him. The wedding was Saturday. I was scheduled to leave on Friday night at 6 o'clock. I went to pick up the Coke at 1. I went home.
Starting point is 02:09:12 I got dressed. I packed the bag. I did one line of Coke, and I missed the wedding. Oh, shit. I sat in there for three fucking days with my dog. I was so paranoid. I wouldn't let the dog out to pee. He would just sit there like, when can I pee?
Starting point is 02:09:30 And I'm like, you're in no danger, so you better hold on to it because you ain't peeing and you ain't shitting. That's how bad I was. Man. From Friday at 1 to like Monday, I didn't stop snorting. I called the cops on myself like four times that weekend. This burglar was on my property. Just paranoid about you.
Starting point is 02:09:49 It was terrible. I was in a horrible place. She came back like Tuesday or Wednesday. She was three-quarters heartbroken, and she was like, listen, I don't know how long I can keep doing this. I mean, this isn't really a life. This is just we're living like animals, you know, with snorting coke. I'm like, keep doing this. I mean, this isn't really a life. This is just, we're living like animals, you know, with snorting coke. I'm like, okay.
Starting point is 02:10:09 She goes, I want to go back to school. There's things I want to do. I'm like, school? I want a piece of snorting coke. I'm eating your ass every day. What do you need school for? Yeah, there's school. The fuck are you going to learn at school?
Starting point is 02:10:21 I want a piece of skiing, snorting, fucking, sucking, you know. I could feel. I was just wearing on it. And then it wasn't until Thanksgiving that everything fell apart. I went to City Market and I ordered a turkey. And I thought it was Tony Montana. I invited like 10 people over for Thanksgiving. She got a bunch of shit to cook like 10 people over for Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 02:10:48 She got a bunch of shit to cook and invite people over. And that Wednesday before Thanksgiving, those were the days where I would just come to you and go, Sickler, can I talk to you for a second? What are you doing tonight? You're like, nothing. I'm staying home. I go, do me a favor.
Starting point is 02:11:01 I'll give you $200. Go stay at that hotel. Let me get you out for the night. Don't come back. And I would sit in your house because I thought the cops wouldn't be watching me there. And I would just watch your TV, watch HBO, and jerk off and do coke by myself. And I got a batch of coke that I went to Kato's house. And I stayed there from that night. And I missed Thanksgiving. Holy night. And I missed Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 02:11:25 Holy shit. But I came. I walked in on Friday. And she was back. She was done. And she goes, I have to go. This is not a way to live. And I go, you're right.
Starting point is 02:11:37 I'll go with you. But I got to borrow money. I didn't have any money left. I went through all this 60 and over. So this kid owned Mama Maria's Pizza, and he was dying to be a gangster. I had like two of those guys I never borrowed from because I was just setting them up.
Starting point is 02:11:54 Like every week I'd tell them, you know, fucking Ryan Sickle made 20 grand with me. Fuck. When can I get a piece of that? Don't worry about it. Once Ryan falls out, let's get rid of Ryan. I had these guys.
Starting point is 02:12:09 I went right to that idiot, Mama Maria's Pizza. I took him for like 5 G's. Damn. He goes, when do I get it back? In fact, I'm going to give you a bonus. I'm going to give you $12.50 on Sunday. So I had that $5.00. I went to some other kid,
Starting point is 02:12:24 borrowed $2.00 for $27.00 and I had that five. I went to some other kid borrowed two for 27 and I had a coke dealer chick. Today the chick lives here in LA. We haven't connected but people told me she's here and she's probably forgotten about what I did for her. But I did the
Starting point is 02:12:40 perfect scam on her. I bought this weed that was Fugazi weed. The weed looked like it was weed from today. But it was 1980 or whatever. That shit wasn't around back then. It looked good, but it didn't get your eye. So I sprayed water on it to make it weigh a pound. Between you and I.
Starting point is 02:13:01 Man, everybody listening. Oh, my God. Between you and I, Man, everybody listening. Oh, my God. Between you and I, I owe this lady. I forget what her name is. It comes to me from time to time. I think her last name was Vermont or something like that. I went to her, and she's like, you better have my fucking 20 grand. At that time, I owed her 20.
Starting point is 02:13:25 I owed this other dealer 40. Damn, that's a lot to owe somebody. Holy shit. Oh, I owed this other dealer 45. Grand? Yes. Holy shit. And I owed her his partner that was a female, dirty large.
Starting point is 02:13:40 Yep, that's 100 in. But I had a crush on her. And I knew how to soften her up. She was hotter than fuck And I'm but she was on a date. She broke up with a boyfriend a boyfriend was a psycho. I Still remember her name. She wanted a date She went to get in her car and a boyfriend was hiding under the car He grabbed her by the ankle broke her fucking and damn got out beat the fuck out of the guy he's date So we well known not to even ask her on a date.
Starting point is 02:14:07 So we had become friends. Everybody was scared of her. I owed her like 30 large. The cops were watching me. I had the DEA watching me, which is official. The cops were watching me because a guy was snorting coke in Aspen and his wife was the accountant for the town of Aspen. She was skimming money off the top.
Starting point is 02:14:31 So her and her husband could snort coke, and she got caught, and part of a pledge agreement was to go after other drug, to turn in people. So somebody turned me out to him, and he would come over and go, every time, can we do business outside? I'm like, why? These guys are cops. So I played him.
Starting point is 02:14:54 I played him for like a month. I kept my house clean. I found the tap on my phone. In those days, you broke into your phone box, and there would be a little wire, and it would say who was tapping it. And then one day... Really? Yeah. One day I had a friend of mine come over and it was a two-car garage.
Starting point is 02:15:11 I had him pull into my garage and then I left. I went into the car dressed as him with his car. Yeah. And I took off and I took the long route and went behind the house and you could see the guys in the telescope. And I beeped at them.
Starting point is 02:15:27 They froze. There was nothing they could do. But my house was clean. I had no coke in the house. I had nothing. So that Friday after Thanksgiving, we got all our shit together. That was worth it. We had a little Mazda 2 door. We got all our shit together. That was worth it. We had a little Mazda
Starting point is 02:15:46 two-door. We packed it. I went to that lady's house and I gave her I said, listen, I know I owe you $20,000 but you know my friend Ryan said, right, yeah.
Starting point is 02:16:03 He's getting married and he needs an ounce of coke. I know you're not going to give it to me on the arm. Did I ask you? Did I fucking ask you? What I brought you is collateral. It's a pound of the sweetest weed you've ever seen. She looks at me and she's like,
Starting point is 02:16:18 oh my god. You think you'll trade me for it? I go, no. Let me go give him the fucking half ounce of coke. When I come back, what would you be willing trade me for it? I go, no. Let me go give him the fucking half ounce of Coke. And when I come back, what would you be willing to give for that? And she goes, tell him I'll give him another half ounce. I go, fine. Let me go get the, I wasn't coming back.
Starting point is 02:16:35 Never. I got in that fucking car with that half ounce of Coke, and we just left. And all night long, there was a car following us. The car followed us for about two hours. You know how many hotels we checked into that night? Three. It was a four
Starting point is 02:16:51 hour drive to Denver. We checked into three hotels because we'd go into a hotel, do a line of coke, we'd get so paranoid we'd have to leave. It was terrible. It was a horrible, horrible, horrible Time for me And this is the end of 86 now
Starting point is 02:17:07 86 ends with us in Boulder We're clean She went back to live with her mother I moved in with four Fucking dirt bags And I got a job I ended the year
Starting point is 02:17:24 Working at a car wash, drawing cars. That's where we're going to stop. Good. It's another fucking great episode. One more story. One more. When I'm living with those three idiots on 10-12-14 street.
Starting point is 02:17:40 10-12-14 makes me laugh. I'm dating. I'm dating the girl downstairs now fuck the girl next door with the big tits fuck a fucking roommate I'm dating the girl next door
Starting point is 02:17:57 I love the girl next door she's beautiful she's blonde she's got pretty eyes those two little fucking desert tramps. They were just desert tramps. One fucking the other one's roommate cock blocking me with a tits out. It was a disgusting situation for a guy like me. So he comes to me one day and he goes, hey, can I talk to you in Spanish?
Starting point is 02:18:24 He goes, listen, man, she made moves on me. I go, well, go do your thing. He goes, but I'm scared. I never did it before. I go, how old are you? He goes, like 21. I go, you never got your fucking pinguita sucked before, right? So something happens.
Starting point is 02:18:40 He went over there and started, like, dating her. And, like, a week later, he copped out of two with me. Like, I heard what you did over there. You did not supposed to do that. I'm like, who the fuck does this guy think he is? So one day, I'm running out of ideas. Because I'm torturing the Cato. I'm torturing the fucking white dude.
Starting point is 02:19:03 And I look in this Mexican's room that our doors shared, but there was no lock. So I could just open it. And I look through his room. It's like a picture. This is the piece of shit I was. There was a picture of his mother and his grandmother. It was like Coco. You know, it was pictures of all his family
Starting point is 02:19:19 members. And there was a towel in the closet with like a little jar of Vaseline. I go, the fuck? And I pick up the towel and this $100 bill. I took those to go. That night, he knocks on my door and he's like,
Starting point is 02:19:40 can I talk to you? He goes, somebody stole $200 from my room. And I'm dying inside. I'm like, really? you he goes somebody stole $200 from my room and I'm dying inside I'm like really and he goes you see my hands I work in the plantation all day for that $200
Starting point is 02:19:56 so if you know who did it please give it back to me I'm like okay you ain't never see him that you fucking Ayanara. I was just nuts, man. I was just fucking nuts. Oh, man.
Starting point is 02:20:11 Well, as always. That was 86, and I'm sure we left out. I mean, yeah. It's two hours of 86. If I didn't get back in time, if my flight was delayed in Newark, and I didn't get back in time, I would have to spend the night at the Denver airport and catch the next first flight to Aston Airways.
Starting point is 02:20:37 That must have happened three times. Do you know all three times I hooked up with either a chick or a guy at the airport and we snorted coke all night? I would put the coke in a locker and take out like eight balls at a time. I would spend like $80 in quarters because I had quarters in a combination. There's no one like you, dude. I met a guy from a record label once. He was like fucking everybody's record manager.
Starting point is 02:21:04 I'm feeding them with coke. He's like, call me if you're in LA. We became friends. I mean, it was just. Oh, man. It was such a, I was buying the guns. Like the shit I was doing. I had a cop on my payroll that came over to my house one day.
Starting point is 02:21:22 I was talking to him about guns. And something came up. He's like, you want to do coke? I'm like, yeah, you want some? And I was giving him the pure shit. You know how many nights he knocked on my door on his shift? On his shift. All fucked up.
Starting point is 02:21:39 Like, I mean, his eyes were. He's like, you think I can borrow some more from you? Fuck yeah. He wouldn like, you think I can borrow some more from you? Fuck yeah. He wouldn't pull nobody over. He was a Picking County Sheriff, and they drove Saabs. And I remember him pulling up to my house. There are Saabs. That's right, Colorado.
Starting point is 02:21:56 He would come up to me, and his eyes were bulging out of his head. And he would go, I need another rock, man. So he started giving me all the guns he would confiscate. Jesus Christ. Alright, this is what we're going to do. We're going to end here. We're going to pick up on January 1987
Starting point is 02:22:15 when we continue next time. So, now! I'll talk about the Patreon because I'm not really getting... I don't know what's going on with the book deal. Social media is getting very evil. I wanted to do something different. Little videos.
Starting point is 02:22:36 I want a little bit more interpersonality. Plus, I want a commitment. The guy up at the Rochester Club said, Do you ever notice when you do a show, people don't pay for tickets? They're a rowdy or fucking audience. That's right. The podcast is still free. I'm not that.
Starting point is 02:22:51 I'm not an Indian giver. The podcast is still free. This is different content I want to create, and there's two people in particular that I want to help out. There's a director dude and a graphic designer dude. Lee and me do the podcast. That's cool there. This is something for me and two other dudes.
Starting point is 02:23:09 I used to shoot all those Joey Karate videos and regular videos. I want to come up with a new character, like an Uncle Joey type character that gives advice to the youth every week. Something funny. I don't give a fuck. It's something outside the box. That's why I charge you $1. Four quarters.
Starting point is 02:23:28 $1. I just need $1. If I wanted to rape you guys, I could rape you. I'm looking for $1 of your commitment. Because I know you're not going to fucking send back negative shit at me and call me a fat fuck and tell me that. Yeah, they're the diehards, the loyal fans. Yeah, you guys are loyal fans.
Starting point is 02:23:47 But the other thing I love that you're doing, I want to say this too, because what I've learned about Patreon is it's a dollar, but you can give more if you want to give more. If you feel like I do $5, you can give more if you want to give more. But I do $5.
Starting point is 02:23:58 You get video, you get audio. It's a new episode. It's not like, here's the rest of this or here's that you know it's a full new thing with a podcast good for you the podcast always been for free you know what i might do i see that when you take a like a mean you do a podcast somebody will take an eight minute bit out of this they'll get eight million hits why aren't we doing that right so we'll call them podcast bits where i just interview somebody for 11
Starting point is 02:24:26 minutes and put it on Patreon. It's great. There's so many different things to do on page. Well, look, standups gone right now. We have to figure out how to make some. That's right.
Starting point is 02:24:35 And let's, and I'm not in business to rip. I know what you're paying for. Patreons or whatever. I'm not in business to rip. Nobody's hard. I just want a community that you don't open up the page and it's like, you know, Nick Cannon is trending.
Starting point is 02:24:51 Yeah. Everything that's not, this has nothing to do with us. This has to do with us. That's right. So patreon.com slash joeydears, a dollar or give whatever the fuck you want to give. Next week I got the chance to shoot videos. So I'll start experimenting with videos. That's it.
Starting point is 02:25:08 That's it. Well, thank you. There's no dates. Everything's fake. For coming on, we'll start with January 87. Thank you to Jimmy Seafood. Thank you, Jen, for the masks. And as always, RyanSickler.com, Ryan Sickler on all social media.
Starting point is 02:25:23 I'll talk to y'all next week.

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