The Hope Hotline - Bloom Conference Recap | Pastors Didn't Speak About Charlie | "Depart From Me"

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

The Hope Hotline | S03-E64 | 09-19-2025

Real talk. Real talk. Real talk. Real talk. Real talk. Hello and welcome to the Hope Hotline. Thank you for joining us today. Busy, busy, busy day.

Busy, busy, busy podcast. I think we're going to pretty much hop to it. But first, I want to thank all my foundation church peeps for coming out to Pastor Clover's Bloom Ladies' Conference last night. She has her, it continues on tonight. Breakfast is tomorrow morning. And then the final conference meeting will be after the breakfast. It was a great time.

It really was. It was so good. So fun. I so enjoyed myself. But, I mean, I wasn't planning to enjoy myself. I'm going to be flat out honest with you. not because of the conference I was fighting tooth and nail with that message

I told the girl you didn't know that did you I didn't we thought that you were like right loving yeah what you prepared from our last conversation right yeah I hated it every minute of it and it ended up being so great oh gosh I love you so much no it was because I love that

well first of all I love that you called certain people out for things that you know they've they've taken situation and, you know, really, I'm moving stuff. I have this, the photo from last night. Okay. So I like that you took, like, you called people out of our group and let, like, the river people know that there's people in our group that have been there for a long time, but also have gone through really hard things.

And then you've seen them through these seasons. And I love that you spoke specifically to the river girls and let them know, like, you were just there. And, like, how it almost happened overnight from, like, having this small church. and you like blinked and now we are a much larger church and so I don't know it was just really cool and I love the patience message that you gave um it was it was a really good word it was yeah thank you very much such an encourager yes not usually too much we're rubbing off on her we are not usually the cheerleader but unless I'm not kidding you like that that thing I mean to tell you

was in the car the it was just horrible like the night before I mean, every time I thought, well, because the problem is, is this. This is the God's honest truth. Okay. I'm going to be fully transparent right now. Do it. Okay, so I literally started that message, and I felt like the Lord told me to teach on pollination, right?

And I'm like, I don't know anything about pollination, and I don't really, I don't want to. Yeah. It's like, it's very sciencey. So I'm like, there must be something about pollination, which really, I think the part was that I could not grasp until the night of when I'm actually in the moment. As you're preaching. As it's unfolding. Yes, as it's unfolding.

Was that the pollination process produces life. And it produces seed. Yeah. And that seed multiplies. Right. But I didn't get that until, didn't get that until near the end. I'm not kidding you. I was fighting with that.

I literally started over, Thursday, wait a minute, Wednesday night, I, like, literally crumple up the paper. Oh, my gosh. Not physical, because I'm doing everything on the computer. Talia comes out at, like, midnight, or comes to get a drink or something at, like, midnight. And it might have been, like, 11, I don't know. And I didn't go to bed until after midnight that night, trying to figure it out. I'm, like, go to bed, wake up in the morning and just start over, because I told her, I said, it's going to, it sucks right now. this is terrible.

That message that I am preparing, Elstinko. Oh my gosh. And I'm sitting in the car, I'm looking at it, and I'm like, this stinks. Yeah. This message stinks. Why?

It was not, like, Thomas even said to me, he's like, I didn't like that. That stunk. And I'm like, oh, that was really good. And I'm like, please God. I think it stinks, but hopefully somebody else doesn't. No, it was good. It was very good.

No. It was a word that was for that congregation for that specific group. Right, right. And I call that Holy Ghost Freestyle. It was. There you go. That's it. It really was.

Because that message did not start out anything like I wrote down. Really? And it absolutely pretty much didn't end. Oh, no. I only took little bits of what I, and it's so funny because Talia said, Talia said, she said, you'll just, what's going to happen is. Yeah. which wasn't even when I redid it on Sunday morning.

I was redoing it all throughout the day. I kept delete. And Heather's always like, you always do that. I'm like, no, I always am eliminating things that I'm like, I don't need that anymore. I'm not, I'm like, I'm eliminating things and I got nothing to replace it. That's not a good thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's tough.

That's because when I'm eliminating things a lot of times, it's too much. I'm like, I don't need this anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Not because of what she thought. Yeah, no. And you were very much yourself and you're around your people, your D.C. people. And so that brought a whole other hope out of you. But like you are. You're getting more confident preaching and speaking and. Right. I remember when that happened to Tom. Yeah, I bet. I used to always say to him, just be yourself. You're funny. Like, be relaxed. Be funny. Be yourself. Because as soon as you do that, you're going to love it. Right. Yeah. Right. You are. Right. You're going to love it. And the thing is, like, you study. You know the word. Right. The word is this. That is true. That helps. And so you can speak freely and, and, and pull from a place of, like, where you have already studied, you already know the word. And so it's just, it, it becomes just this conversation that, like, comes out of you.

Very true. So it's, yeah, it's very authentic. They are my people, though. I know. Oh, yeah, we could tell. Vanessa and I were like, oh, yeah. We are one. She's comfortable. I love them. Although I felt like I was, I was in the midst of, like, family. Because I grew up on music, that kind of just, like, vibe. Right. My dad used to go in the, listen, this is like in the 70s, right? Okay. This is like, yeah. My dad used to go into black churches and preach. Oh.

We'd be the only white he's in there. Oh. Interesting. Okay. Like, so for me, like, I mean, it's not my first time. Like, but that's not an all black church anyway. They got Hispanic, blacks, they got whites. I got, it's very mixed.

Yeah. But listen, go to an all black church. True. I literally want to do my third clap. Oh. That's probably where I learned that from. I went to an all black church. I got baptized in one when I was 16.

Like, there's nothing like it. It's the best. If you've never gone to an all black church, you're flipping missing out. True. I agree. There is nothing like it. It's the best. It is fun.

Very. But, yeah. They know how to clap, too. They know how to do everything. That's musical. Back in the day, you probably remember this, Hope. Back when we were in the old building, Casey, the old worship leader. Oh, yeah.

Literally stopped the song, mid, midsets. And was like, stop, you guys are clapping wrong. And he gave us a lesson on how to clap. Oh, my gosh. I know. It was the best. It was all the white people, right? Yes.

Of course. I was like, thank you. I'm like, listen to the. drum even I know that even I know that I know but they were throwing off the band I that's what I mean that was his problem he's like you're throwing even us off no not them like me oh yeah everybody should listen yeah I agree with you 100% like that's the trick well not not not not not not waities don't know that though I'm I'm preaching you're help guys you're helping you I'm teaching you right now listen to our church is so big now though

you know the thing is is like um like like for six years to be like if you saw if you ever went to their church like they have two services and then they have a Hispanic one okay so they have the Hispanic church is their church it's not a person renting out their church to have that Hispanic church that they have three services right and they're six years old and I'm like man like I would have killed six years to to be doing that great and that well and that fast but it is i really do like i think um and this is the one thing i love about um adalus and and jonathan and stuff like that because um and even pastor rodney um you usually tend to run with the people that you're the most like right but the one thing that is so

great about them is they never make it sound like that things were never that everything's always been great that everything's always been easy that they got it going on from the very beginning and that um like everything has it has it has it just has it it's always been right it's the great thing about um faith is is when you have a story that you can share that bring hope and inspires and then also builds faith because for us like for me that is a great testimony of how God can really radically change something overnight when you're faithful and you endure and you grind and like that's one thing about Jonathan and Adalas and even Pastor Rodney like they'll they never make up their numbers right they're always honest about everything and

they'll flat out tell you the truth like almost to a fault yeah which makes you more real which makes things more realistic in how things really are so that there's no I think there's just so many people who live in a delusional they want they're delusional so they want other people to believe and buy into their delusion and I'm just like well that's not reality it's not reality and there's something dangerous about that but so for me I love to tell the story about how I mean literally five years ago I mean five years ago we were lucky if we were on a Sunday morning had 250 people now look what God's done all because you do what's right

and you do what's hard right and that's a season out of season and you're steady and consistent yeah the other day I think it was yesterday or the day before Jeff, one of his memories on Facebook was the original stage when we hadn't flipped it yet.

Oh, really? Yeah. I told him to like share it because it's, it was like even before what you saw. Oh, yeah. I know. I saw a picture where it was one where it was like that way. Yeah.

Yeah. Because before we like switch the sanctuary. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. I do. Like I didn't see that. that picture though i don't think he shared it he showed it to me it's like it like like a flood of memories just came back i well i was when i was speaking last night i was literally thinking of

even before you got there vanessa talia it was so little she won't remember it but um because she was little i carried her in this place but the the the sport port that we were in right across from the high school Lemon Bay High School. The workout room where we had our services, then a big huge game room for the youth group, and then a small little room for the children's church, and another small little room for the nursery. And the nursery was one room, because that's all you need it. And then the children's church room was slightly bigger. But it's like, because the youth group was bigger than the congregation.

it's crazy but i i remember i mean i remember being in there because tom was worship leader i was on the worship team we had it was basically nothing it's a whole lot of nothingness right and if we had 40 people yeah and get this at that time we would have 40 people come the youth group would be about 100 people 100 kids excuse me and we had a a lease payment of 10,000 228 dollars with 40 people yes and the lord told us to rent that building first of all you couldn't get anything cheap right there was nothing because at that time the market was insane it was 2004 that was just when the balloon you know was growing it was nuts you couldn't get anything and um tom and i were like uh we only got 40 people coming and the lord's like do it do it do it

And Tom and I were like, oh my gosh. Okay, we had a piece, but at the same time, the math didn't make any sense. Do you know we made every lease payment? We were in there for over a year. Every lease payment we made. God was like, wow. It's wow. And we grew, but maybe to 100, maybe there.

Maybe. Yeah. But it's crazy. God is. It's a, it's a, it's a. when like what the average church tithes like 10% of the church actually tides or that's like a really good number is 10% tides or something isn't it really low i'm i'm going to ask chat what is the national because if you're 100 people 10% yeah that's 10 people tithing enough to cover that i think it's less it's like 5% now i know i think it's really low the last time

i looked i think it was i think it was something like it was either 5 or 12 i can't remember okay it might have been 17 it's one of those three okay i don't know i'm all over the place we'll find out it's 5% there you go i did my memory is good so yeah like five yeah which this church is probably i think in this church at the if i were to run the statistics because i just had to put all that together for the the bank i think we're at like um 20% something like that. I mean, it's still low, but it's, that is much better than the national average, which is always a good thing. Which is funny because we don't pass the plate. I know. I don't. I know. We don't pass a plate. So that's even more, that's more astonishing because when I, when,

when the lender was when we were getting a loan, like we broke every record on getting a loan when we do nothing like anybody else. Yeah. True. I remember asking, so how many times have you ever given a loan to a church that doesn't have a budget? Never. How many times you ever loaned a church that doesn't have a building fund? Never. How about membership? Never. Never. I'm like, we're about to break every record right here. Literally. I love that. And then he comes back. You are one of the strongest because we are not in debt outside of the mortgage now, but we've never been in debt. So he was like, you guys are extremely strong across the board. I'm like, thank you. God is good. You do things God's way. That's all it takes. It's the best way. But that was great fun.

Did you want to show, did you show the picture? No, I didn't show it yet. Let's do that. Yeah. Vanessa says that our face is looking a little funky. Oh my gosh. I was cackling at night. I zoomed in on my face. I'm like, girlfriend, get a moisturizer. Oh my gosh. You look great in that picture. No, so weird. Yeah, let's look at her. Let's examine her specifically. Okay, we're going in.

Keep going. I'm going. There's her beautiful Emma right below her. What are you talking about? You don't need voice. What? She's tired. Oh, my gosh.

It was way past your bedtime, that's for sure. Take her home. Way past your bedtime. Yeah, that was great. That was really good. I was a lot of fun. zoom out so people can actually see it let me reset oh yeah there you go let me do reset we had such a great group we did have a great group yeah lots of laughs lots of laughs lots of laughs lots a good time

like I'm oh I know oh my gosh it's amazing yeah it speaks volumes like I can tell you like every person that's there um yeah let me see that every single person that's in that group for the most part i'm looking at it um even the even some of the youth uh pretty much all of the youth there's something special about each and every single one of them like i feel like i've been able to play a part even if it's small part in them but like i'm looking at every single woman and literally there is not one except for Cindy Glass, but even her, because she's newer. There's not one woman up there that I haven't, like,

had some kind of good relationship with, like, that I feel like God's, I don't know. But even Cindy, she's such a great person. I love her. She's so dependable and so, like, consistent, And she's so dangerously consistent. Yeah. Yeah, God's got some great things.

But that's only because, like, I do with her husband so much more than her, right? Yeah. But she's so heavily involved in so many other things with the women, but their family is just a great family. Amazing. I love that. Oh, yeah. Just a great family. So, that was, I was not surprised to see the women that did show.

up that they would be the women that show up to support me. And I'm so like, I love that. But, um, so, um, so I, going back to what we were talking about how in 2020, that, how the script flipped for us, um, I pulled something up off a TikTok, um, that I wanted Tracy to share because this is, is why God entrusted us, I believe, and allowed growth to happen because he knew that we had been faithful with a little, right? And so, this is a time for people to shine. You're going to either rise to the occasion or your true colors will be shown. And you may do well, but you could do, but you won't be entrusted in the way, same way. You may, things may grow for you, but it'll be the man that builds the house, not God. So play that thing for me. Okay, so I'm seeing

a lot of videos and comments from pastors saying, hey, I'm getting pushback because I didn't talk about Charlie Kirk on Sunday, or I didn't really make any sort of significant mention about it. But I just want to know that, you know, at our church, our services are only about Jesus. And we just really want to focus on Jesus. We don't want to focus on anybody else. And look, that sounds good, and I understand what they think they're saying. But here's the reality. I want you to ask yourself a question for a second. Do you think that the early church in the book of Acts talked about Stephen after he was stoned to death? Do you think that the early church in the book of Acts talked about James after he was beheaded? Do you think that the second century church talked about people like polycarp

after they were burned at the stake and then had a spear thrust through their side to kill them. Do you think that those groups talked about the martyrs that they experienced, that were among them, that were in their midst, that gave their lives for the sake of the gospel? Nobody is trying to glorify or deify Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was my friend. Charlie Kirk was my boss. But what we are saying is that giving your life for Jesus and standing up strong and not being afraid of this world and being willing to testify, even at the risk of personal peril,

even at the point of giving of your own life, that that should be an honorable thing, that that should be something that the church should remember and celebrate and uplift. The Bible says that the martyrs of God are actually precious in his sight, but unfortunately they don't seem to be very precious to every single pastor or person who calls themselves a man of the cloth. So I just want to issue this maybe challenge to those of you that are going to churches that didn't mention Charlie. I'm not trying to say that a pastor has to say specific things. But what I am saying is this, that this is a canary in the cage. If your pastor wasn't strong during COVID, if your pastor

didn't know what to do when all the technocratic policies were being forced on the American people, they didn't really know how to address that. If they didn't, if they were silent with the overturning of if they were silent in the face of kind of this, this, you know, a rainbow cult that we have seen. And now they're silent at the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I'm just going to go on a limb here and say, maybe you're in the wrong church. Mike drop. For real. That gives me goosebumps. Because, I mean, in such a brief, oh my gosh, how long was that thing a minute two minutes yeah like so many great truths were spoken in two minutes

and so many great examples of why why you shouldn't go to a church that doesn't stand at me the row v wade are you kidding me most churches did not talk about that the overturning of that i mean i know they should be ashamed of themselves totally agree yep And people wonder, like, people have literally wondered, like, how did we get this building? How did we grow so fast? How did the money come in for us? Okay, first of all, if you don't come to this church, it's not your dagging business. But second of all, because God, blessings reap upon, are reaped to those who do the tough things, right?

and say the tough things. And that's the reason why we did get this building because he knew that we could be trusted and that he was going to fill those seats. He could trust us that make sure that the people who sit in those seats will hear the gospel, yeah, you could probably say, well, there's lots of churches that are way bigger than yours.

They didn't say it. And I would say you're absolutely right. But we don't get money from any other place. we don't get money for we don't we're not under the umbrella of somebody who's giving us money like we're not under the ark or another church that's under the ark and those people are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars of money from the people that they're under the umbrella for we don't we don't get that we never took ppp money not one time that was asked that was asked um when we were um going and getting the finances for this church

Did we take PPP money? How did we get the money that we had? I was able to trace it back to, like, it was grassroots. Like the most successful campaigns are grassroots campaigns. And that's basically how we got our money. It was grassroots. We didn't get money from, everybody would probably suspect we got huge money from being with pastor writing. We didn't.

we didn't get huge money and we didn't get huge money from jonathan we got we got what we needed because god sent messengers and people to finance it and it wasn't under another church it was under god's direction and so um that's what i would say i mean i i know of one in the area who gets hundreds of thousands of dollars because they're underneath another church that gets hundreds of thousands of dollars from another big church or another big organization. So you can say they're successful, but are they getting the money from somewhere to keep them successful and not from the people that actually attend their congregation? Does that make sense, ladies? Yes, sure it does. Because you can be under a denomination, and that denomination will give you

money. Oh, yeah. Which is most churches are denominational churches. We are not. Yeah. I know for a fact there's a denomination that they have a separate, like, area of the denomination for planting churches. Like, so you can ask. What's that denomination? The Ark Church. Associated Related Churches. Yeah. They're the biggest, one of the biggest things going around right now.

They do collect money to plant churches. And then they give that church a large sum of money to plant. And then they give churches that are under the Ark a large sum of money, depending on your size. And then that church can. can actually distribute money because they're bringing in listen the arc is bringing in huge money just from the sales of their products and the sales of their of their growth track and the sermon series that they are pushing because you don't have to write a message if you use the associated or related churches message series sermons.com go on it see if your church uses that

to write their message. I asked, yeah, what, sermons? Does that exist? Sermons.com? Oh yeah, yeah, it does. Yeah, look it up right now, sermons.com, or sermon.com. I asked TikTok the other day if they feel like their pastor, because it was Monday morning and I asked if they felt like their, did their pastor speak on Charlie Kirk?

And if they did, do they feel like they were just checking a box? Like they just, because I did hear a sermon, or I did hear a pastor speak and say like, somebody was murdered this week and there's been terrible things going on in the world, but we are overcome orizable, but they didn't ever. They didn't mention his name? It felt like, okay, we said it. Like, we're patriots. We believe this is not good.

So we said what we need to say, but now we won't get in trouble. Like, that's what it felt like. Did you hear this pastor yourself? Yes, myself on social media, yes. So was that pastor in the area or was he a big time pastor somewhere else? No, in the area. Oh, he's a pastor in the area that did this? would I know this church?

Yes. And it was one of those things because they're... It's one of those things that they aren't even online right now because they're doing a movies series. And so they can't be... I know who you're talking about now. They can't play their sermons because they're using movie clips and obviously there's copyright issues. So they did do a clip to make sure that they posted on social media. And I might be wrong.

They might actually... But they didn't say his name. They didn't. It just felt like... Okay, we said something, now we won't get in trouble. Right. And that's sad to me because I'm like, what an opportunity. Like, we have such an opportunity right now.

And then again, you don't have to say his name because now, I don't, like, you just do it with the right heart. And everybody can tell if it's the right heart. And I asked on TikTok, I have 72 comments. Some are mine responding back. But everybody said, like, either yes, and it felt like they really meant it because people know. And then the other ones were like, they said it, but it felt like they just checked a box.

or no, they never said anything. So, and this is just from normal people. Like, it's not. So Sunday, Sunday is coming around. Sunday is coming. And the church that you're planning to attend. Yes. If you've never, because a lot of people decided,

I'm going to church, because Charlie Kirk. And, hey, listen. Get in the dark. I'm totally fine with that. Right. Whatever it takes to make your eyes and ears be potentially open to the gospel and stirs you up inside, if the life was taken, so that a life might become eternal.

Like, I don't like it that a life was taken, and life wasn't taken so that that would happen. But Romans 828, all things work together for those who love him. So let's take a negative that should have never happened because John 1010 says that Satan comes to still, kill, and destroy, right? But the latter part of that says, but I've come to give you life and life more abundantly. So God had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk being a second.

assassinated. Satan did. But God said that, but I've come to give you life and life more abundantly. So he will then, whatever is robbed, he will then take in Romans 828, work it for his good. Yes. If that makes you go to church and you haven't gone for a really long time or for the first time in life, thank you God. Right. That is a beautiful thing. But here's the thing. If you go into one of these are churches that are not preaching the gospel, that's something that is like, I can't remember the scripture that says about tickling ears. What's that one? It's Matthew. It's in Matthew where your ears will be tickled. I think it's Matthew. If you go into a church that is going to 2 Timothy, 2 Timothy. Second Timothy. What does that say? The time is coming when people will not

endure sound teaching, but they will have itching ears. I'm sure tickling is one of them. They will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into the myth. So make sure that that scripture in 2 Timothy is not you. You haven't gone to church in a really long time. And if you have been going to that church and they didn't talk about it, get the heck out of that church. That's the first thing. Second of all, if you're going into a church that is an arch church or something weak like that, that doesn't really talk about anything of substance of any kind you need to look at the sermons you go everybody's got a marquee or if you go on their website they'll have like the name of the

sermon series that they're teaching on you need to go copy and paste that sermon series title then go into google and say sermon series then paste that title and then it'll bring it up and it'll tell you whether or not they wrote it or not if it comes up and it's underneath that if it comes up and another church has taught that same name or it goes to sermons.com or something of the like that tells you they themselves did not write that they paid for that message so that's dangerous guys that message is like full of nothingness you don't go there What's the point in going? You're not learning anything.

Just gathering with a whole bunch of other, like, what's that thing? It's a social club. It's a social club. What's the thing? What is it when there's players that are, like, they're not essential players, but they're just in the game. MPC. You're just going to be an NPC. True.

And that's all you are. If you're church is doing at the movies right now, it's probably a red flag. It's very much of red flag. Summer Playlist. They're just getting done with summer playlists. I did question this when I went to an arch church about, because I knew. Like, I'm like, well, they're also doing, I think it was dangerous, dangerous prayers, I think was the series. I just saw the graphic recently for it.

And I asked them, like, everybody's doing the same exact message? Like, that's kind of weird. And I was told that it's, yes, it's the same idea, but each pastor prays over their own message and gives a different message. But if you listen to the messages, they're very, very, very similar. But that's what they say. So what I had a hard time with is I, and this is what Jaron and I were looking for, is I'm like, I just want a pastor that is spirit led. That if we're in church and we have to sing an extra song

because the Holy Spirit's telling him we have to sing an extra song, we'll sing an extra song. I want him to know when he's supposed to pray. I want him to know if he has all this, like, I hope you were just saying about your message. You have this whole message, well, I worked hard on it, so I'm just going to do it anyways. Okay, but like, what if the Holy Spirit has something else? Like, you have to be willing. That was the problem.

I know. Like, I knew it was ick inside. I knew. I was like, you could have just pushed through and been like, you know what? It's fine. There's scripture in it. It's good enough. Right.

Exactly. And I didn't want to be under leadership because I knew that there was going to be another time that something else was going to come down the line. And when you're not being spirit led, you are immediately going to go to flesh and flesh response is yucky always and it's always self-focused so i knew that when something when poop hits the fan and everybody starts like running away from everything like that's not the response i want because i don't have family down here it's me and jare and my girls yeah and so okay so everybody just hides like what are we doing that's part of the problem they are hiding i know they're

from talking about charlie kirk right and you plant that seed there it's going to go everywhere else and you're afraid of what they're going to say and you're afraid of this you're afraid of the money not be like I don't want to live like that because what what if this scenario ever came about what if this is where I I think like there's always going to be something else right right yes what if the situation arises where Walmart closes right Walmart closes you can't get anything. In those churches, because they don't preach the gospel, you're going to be like, what the heck is going on

and I'm not prepared. Whereas in a church, like ours, we're always preparing. And if somebody wasn't prepared, then we are of the mindset of we come together and we help each other out. Whereas in those kinds of churches, is it is not preached that you favor your brothers and sisters in Christ, that you come together and you share with one another, you protect one another. Those things are not taught. And even if they

are, okay, this happened. And then how did your church respond? You know what I mean? And so if you didn't, if you didn't speak about Charlie, why? Because of persecution. So what happens when the next thing comes down the line? What are they going to do again? They're going to hide again. It's always going to be a like don't just don't look don't look where when things happen around here we all do come together there's always good fruits so even if they're speaking about it you've got to check and see like okay when something happens how do they respond like these are the best i love these times i love when things happen not the thing that happens right i love when things happen because everybody shows their true colors it says trials and trials and tribulations consider it pure joy

because you will true colors will show out well whatever is done in the dark will be brought to the light. And so whoever you are that you're hiding behind, whatever you're hiding is going to come out. I'm not talking about your sin. I'm talking about if you're not willing to stand up for your sin, I shouldn't say that like that. I mean, if you're doing things in sin and you're proclaiming this or that and you're living a dual lifestyle, then yeah, it's going to come out because that's the word of God. But if you are not to be, If you're a person that's supposed to be preaching the gospel and you say you do one thing and you do another, God's going to reveal that. He did with COVID.

Yep. Very much, though. So, I don't know. It's, I think that if you're watching this podcast and you are, you don't have, you go to a very weak church and they didn't talk about Charlie Kirk or if they did, it was just to check the box, you need to. leave people like you are perpetuating that place staying open and harming other people you may be able to make it to heaven because you're strong enough but you are helping other people to go to hell because they're not and they don't know any better so those things I'm not saying your your blood is on their hands I'm just saying you're helping that place stay open and I like some people came into the

comments and like you know you should leave the church and other people like you should at least have a conversation with them and they're like I did and they said that it wasn't their place to talk about this at church so fine if you if your pastor didn't talk about it at least go ask take that take the opportunity there are also like some churches where the the pastor isn't accessible right right they can't just go and ask like I think of like elevation right and other mega churches where there is no talking to the pastor or leadership there's like The gatekeepers don't let you get there. Yeah, they're a little untouchable.

That's crazy. Which, I mean, you can be a church of not even 5,000 people, like 2,500 people, and that's how they run the show. Yeah. I mean, not everybody gets to come and talk to Tom. I mean, that's the truth. But he's out there every Sunday? Well, that is true. He is at the door every single Sunday.

Maybe not a full conversation. No, but. But if you wanted to sit and, like, pour out and get advice and stuff like that depending on what that is not even depending probably we're sending you to Vanessa's husband Jeff right he that's he's for he's the counseling pastor like that's what his job is so because Tom can't do that with everybody right right and Moses he was trying to do it all and his father-in-law came over and said saved his life yeah you need you need to delegate this right exactly yeah so

So pastors can't see everybody, but, I mean, an email. I was going to say, yeah, an email, at least tries, or somebody in leadership. Like, is there a reason we didn't speak about this? Right, absolutely. I mean, I've heard that churches have been getting emails saying, we have a problem with this. So you don't think the church secretary ain't going to make sure that the higher-ups, you may not get to the top, but the higher-ups aren't going to. And then they will go to the top. Right.

And then if you don't get a response, yeah, leave. Like, at least you tried. Yeah. You know, and you can leave anyways. But James 1, 2 through 4, this is the message version. So it's a paraphrase. It says, consider it a sheer gift, friends. When tests and challenges come at you from all sides,

you know that under pressure, your faith life is forced into the open and shows its true colors. So don't get out of anything prematurely. Let it do its work so you become mature and well developed, not deficient in any way. and this is like this is it COVID all that stuff like you guys did not get out of anything prematurely you showed up your true colors proved yourself and that's why you have created the people that have come to this church like you guys like what you embodied during COVID is why I came you know and why other people came and that's why we have such a strong core group of people at our church is because you guys did the right thing at the right time when it was hard you didn't get out of

anything prematurely, even though you were getting threats and all this stuff, and you became mature and well-developed, not deficient in any way. So when the next thing comes, we just do the same thing. Rinse and repeat. Exactly. But the great thing is, is this. Like, the first time, the first go around, it's like, there ain't a whole lot of you. That's the truth. And it's like, what is happening? Like, this is wild. It was wild, man. It was. We never experienced anything. Yes, I know. It was wild. I can imagine. But this. But this. But then as other things happen, well, the thing is, is the army gets bigger. Right.

Yes. So the stand is way easier. Right. Because you have like-minded, strong, biblical people that were all in it together. Like, thick as thieves. It's way easier when there's way more. When COVID happened, there was maybe like $1.25 maybe. We're all looking at each other like.

with the kids and it might have been 125 with kids no it too it wasn't that bad but it was pretty bad yeah yeah you're you're literally like looking around going is this it I feel like right now I'm gideon about to go fight and the Lord is say get been down and whoever drinks like this you keep the rest of them have to go and you're like this is all that's left we're in trouble oh my gosh I know I can't even imagine but thank God you guys did it did like that I mean, I can't imagine, but I also can't imagine. It was the only place that, like, we felt normal. Because once you walked out of church, everyone was social distancing.

Oh, my gosh. It was such a terrible time. Nobody wanted to be near each other. But once we were in church, like, it was as if nothing happened. Yeah. Yeah. That was, it was very, like, it's wild. Yeah.

Because you do know, Tracy. I know. Well, when I came in August, everybody's, like, reaching their hands over the food, like, licking their fingers. And they're grabbing another piece. I was like, this is amazing. Yay. It was like our old little utopia.

It was. I felt so normal in there. And everybody's like, and that was the last first service or that one service that we had and everybody's hands are up. Everybody's like this close. We're squished in this room together.

And it just felt so good. I'm like, yes. I can't imagine. I can't imagine what that would have been like because literally, because you, it started in February. Yeah, March. Yeah.

Closed in March. But everybody started talking about that flip and flu. I think it was the end of February. If I remember, Easter was like early 20s. So they said that everything was going to close then went into like the beginning of April. But from the end of February through until you got there, like things were, I mean, at the end of February, things were like, people are like, what the heck are you talking about? There's a virus. What are you talking about?

People are getting sick. Right. Right. And then it was like, we're shutting everything down. And then we're like, wait, minute, what? Yeah, two week quarantine. And then April was a mess. And then at the end of, our beginning of June was BLM stuff. So that was weird. Everybody's being weird. It was just, and then the whole summer. And I'm just like, traveling all over the place. Because I'm like, you're not going to tell me what to do. So I'm like flying here, flying back, like picking up the girls, bringing them. And I'm just like having my mesh mask on to get on the planes. Oh my gosh. Like Jared's beard is sticking through it because it's not a real mask. I'm like, Cher, you can tell. Take your beard packing. Whenever we had to travel, Jeff actually put a slit in his mask. And he would give people the tongue.

I love it. That sounds so much like it. Or he would eat peanuts. He would eat peanuts. I would drink. I'd have a coffee and drink it the whole time every time somebody'd come. I'd just leave it under my chin. I'd take a sip every time because I'm like, what are you going to do?

Yeah, I was not a good girl. But that must have been really weird Because all of us We were living like normal You were living life normal But you knew nobody that You know what I'm saying We're living life normal

And we're a community You're an island in and of yourself 100% That would have been That's like Tara Yeah Yeah true In New York City

In New York City Like that's like a big flipping deal And then you walk into Foundation church and you're like Whoa I found my people I literally did That would be wild though I know it was

That would have been wild to go all that time by yourself. And then all of us, I never thought about it until just now. Like, what would it have that been like? Because we had each other. I know. Like, we could all talk to each other. Like, these freaks, what's going on? You had nobody.

Nobody. Yeah. I know. That's wild. I know. It was a wild time. So it was, and we, like, we came to rule you guys out because it was such a small church. And I was just like, I don't know.

Do I want to do a small church? And it's an angle one. And, yeah, well, I was ready, we were going to drive to the river. Like the goal, because I'm like, they never shut. So at least I know they're never going to shut. And they were like, well, just make it a day trip. We've dropped off Alexis, blah, blah. And, uh, but then we came in.

And it wasn't just because of all that stuff. Like, the Holy Spirit was so heavy in there. I felt that way when I walked in almost 12 years ago. And we were at teeny tiny church. I walked in. You're battle ridden. Huh? So I think you would have felt the Holy Spirit in any situation.

Oh, I was bad. Because you went for sure. But you went to another church and you didn't feel that. So I take that back. No, true. I went to another church where I felt stolen from. Me too. How does that happen?

I know. You feel, yeah. You're like, I feel robbed. And then we walk into Foundation Church also to rule it out because it was so far away from us. Which it wasn't. It was like 40 minutes. And I walked in and it's like, oh, the Spirit of the Lord is here. Yeah. And we were, we were looking for a church that operated in the gifts. That was super important to us. If I wanted, I wanted a pastor that would lay hands, you know, and pray over people and were invested. I mean, at that point, you were having dinner with every new person that came in. Oh my gosh, yes. That wanted to eat. We wanted to do it, except for it. Sometimes we would ask because we knew. Yeah. But most of the time, unless they asked, if they asked, we would do it. Yeah.

those were tough i ain't gonna lie but you were willing to do it you were absolutely willing to do it and i we just felt like you guys were invested in your congregation and the word that was given was for the the congregation because up to up to that point we had been either working for a church that was arc or right and or pretended not to be arc but that was yeah because that's a lot of right now it was just we were battle fatigued one but also like like like malnourished. Like, yeah. Starving.

Yeah, we were starving. Which is why you felt like you got stolen from. Another meal taken from the talus. Yeah, right? It's so funny because what was the church that you, that was teaching the Ark, but wasn't a Ark church, what was it? Because a lot of them are, like the Assembly is a God in town.

Two of the assemblies of God in town, they're both Ark. They use all of the Ark. stuff there's a baptist church that does the same thing it doesn't only matter the name of the church or the what the denomination is they all they'll go to sermons.com and they'll use that growth track because it's all like it doesn't matter what you are but what was that was it a symbolized god the one here in port charlotte no would they were they the one in port charlotte doing it too no okay i didn't think that would that was yeah that was another issue no um no the one in alabama

Oh, Cross River Church, but... Oh, she said the name. Oh, I mean. They're not... It doesn't exist anymore. What? Yeah. No, it doesn't...

He's a viruliter now. The church completely closed. Completely closed. Mm-hmm. That wasn't a small church. No, it wasn't. Mm-hmm. Holy.

I want to say like four years after we left. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Resolved as a congregation. Mm-hmm. wow I know what was that what denomination was that that was non-denominational arc it was oh it was oh wow yeah that's rough yeah and that's rough and that's rough what do you I mean what do you expect nothing nothing more but I will strongly sell you in these last 10 minutes and I'm going to

get to this one question because somebody's been waiting for this question for forever. So I'm going to scroll down. I'm going to do sponsors really quick. But I will tell you, listen, if you are going to a church, we're not kidding, because it is that serious. And they're not willing to say the things that need to be said and do what needs to be done. Get out. You are supporting that you are supporting that bad teaching and that bad operation. It's not good. It's not good. So, all right, enough on that. it bothers me so bad because people are going to die and go straight to hell and yes ultimately it is the fault of the man that is in the pulpit and he'll answer for that but it's also the responsibility of those who attend and they know better to help not support it don't support

that nonsense I mean to what degree you'll be held accountable I don't know if you would I mean, but I wouldn't want to know that I help keep a place open that people didn't receive the lore because they thought they were saved when they really weren't. I mean, that's a big deal. Yeah. That's a big deal. I wouldn't want them on my hands. That's all I'm saying. Not that it would be held to my account, but I wouldn't want to participate in that.

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so or tries to make it right which is way better because most people have an excuse as to the reason why they don't own up to squat so true yeah this is a question that I've had for a while and I am going to have to I am literally answering it

because I because the question came from August 3rd from one of Tom's messages August 3rd so listen I like this cannot wait any longer this like I was like I am determined to answer this question says regarding Matthew 722 through 23 where Jesus says many will say to me on that day

Lord Lord we have not prophesied we have not have we not have we not have we not have we have we not have been out demons in your name and done many mighty works in your name and then I will say to them openly I never knew you depart from me you who act to act wickedly regarding are disregarding my commands starting from verse 15 to verse 27 taking it all into context my understanding of verse 22 through 23 has been that these people that told Jesus that they prophesied in his name drove out demons and did mighty works were either lying to him or were never saved and were saved or were saved and fell away and their righteous deeds were not remembered. Actually, you are correct. A lot of people do believe that.

A lot of people actually believe they were never saved. That is one of the theology. So you're absolute correct in that. But then you go on to say, as Ezekiel 1824 tells us, which is Ezekiel 1824, 24 says, but if the righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? None of his righteous deeds, which he has done, shall be remembered, which goes along with what Tom preaches all the time about eternal security. There's no such thing, which might tick off a lot of people who are watching right now, but listen, you need to study that out if you believe that, okay?

That theology, you really, really need to study it out. really, really need to look at the scriptures that prove otherwise. None of his righteous deeds, which he has done shall be remembered, it says, and his trespass that he has trespassed, and his sin that he has sinned to them, shall he die. And Pastor Tom's message this past Sunday, which was a long time ago, August 3rd, he mentioned Matthew 722 regarding those that Jesus spoke to of in verse 22, which Pastor Tom said, those people were casting out devils there's lots of saved people who never cast

out the devil and he did say that he did say that there were a lot that you basically quote when you say what you're saying you are quoting what he said those people were casting out devils there's lots of saved people who never cast out devils true

I know most saved people have never cast out a devil that's the God's honest truth they've never dealt with the demonic but they also never laid hands on the sick so that they would recover. They've never won the lost either. Okay, so along with casting out demons, most Christians have never won the anybody to the Lord, never laid hands on the sick so that they would recover. They never cast out a demon. He also said that these people were never saved at all.

Well, it says that. And my question is, is how could these people have cast out devils if they were never saved? They didn't have the power of the Holy Spirit in that. Can you please clarify this for me? Thank you, because I'm going to just say this very quick because there's three minutes, and I'm going to read your scripture. But it says if you speak the name of Jesus, devils have to flee. So you don't have to be saved to say the name of Jesus, and that name causes them to flee.

Does that make sense, ladies? 100%. Okay, so he was right. And that's everything in a synopsis very quickly to say, what he said was true. Unbelievers can speak over something, like unbelievers, because that is, what it says is, if you say the name of Jesus, demons have to flee. Okay, it didn't say only the saved, if they say the name of Jesus, they have to save. Just like if a person pays tithe, that's a covenant promise. If a non-believer pays tithe, they actually reap the blessing of giving of the tithe and

offering, correct? You didn't say only believers. does this work for? There's no stipulation in the gospel that says this is for this person, this is for that person. It doesn't say it. Now, hedge of protection, there are things that clearly are certain things that say that the Lord will do if you're a believer. Then there are things that it's just open. It's an open-ended situation. Okay, Matthew 721 through 23 says, it's actually titled, I never knew you, which is profound. Says, not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my father in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you, depart from me, you who practice lawlessness. If I never knew you, that means you were never saved. and really what this is a lot of people believe is this is the Lord speaking to pastors and people that are clergy not to say that it's not talking to like a person like myself or like Vanessa or Tracy or Talia it could also refer to them but a lot of people specifically think this is the Lord speaking

more towards somebody who's in leadership over people, okay? I wouldn't say that it was the only people who was talking to, though. So if the Lord's saying, I never knew you, that means that they pretended. Like you said, maybe they pretended to be saved and they weren't. Maybe they were never saved to begin with. Because it says I never knew you. What does I never knew you mean?

I never knew you If somebody comes up to me and says Hey we've been friends for a long time I knew you back in 1985 And we were friends And I've never met that person in my life I would say I never knew you I don't know who you are

Because we never really met Because we never really had a relationship Maybe I saw them Maybe I met them But did I know them? No two different things Exodus 710 through 12

says so Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did what the Lord had commanded them and threw down his staff before Pharaoh and his officials and it became a serpent then Pharaoh's sorcerers did the same thing huh the wicked can do the very same thing

and it looked like they are righteous then Pharaoh's sorcerers did the same thing with their magic threw down their staffs which also became serpents but then arrow staff swath swallowed up their stas. So God will still reveal truth. And even though somebody may pretend that they are something they're not, and on day of judgment, God's going to, like, really show

who they are. I'm like, I don't know you. Their true colors will be seen. They may fool lots of people, but they're not fooling him. Matthew 2024, 24, 24, 24, 24 says, for false messias and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive even possible even God's chosen ones so there are people that can absolutely do signs and wonders and they're not his they are not God's people second Thessalonians two nine says this man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles so yeah I believed I believe that the law The unsaved can actually cast out demons and devils because it actually says it in the scripture. But it also clearly says that if we say the name of Jesus, demons have to flee.

So with that being said, it didn't say, like I said, that you have to be saved in order for that to happen. A lot of lost people are scared. And in the moment, they can say just the right thing and get the reception. response that we ourselves do because they believe actually what the word says they just don't want to live by it yeah so that's all i got to say ladies it's pretty clear yeah good word yeah it is pretty clear yeah i think it's pretty clear if you if you read it out or if you know certain things but true but i can understand why you didn't understand it yeah yeah you made it clear though yeah you cleared it up that's it ladies

I got a head to Fort Myers. Yes, you do. I got things to do, places to be, people see. It was so fun. Clover speaking tonight. I cannot wait. Lord only knows what she's going to say. Oh my gosh, I know, right.

Hopefully it's nothing like what I said last night. That'll be great. People learned a lot more about me than they probably should have last night. Oh, my gosh. Yes, that was good. That's okay. It wasn't recorded either, so you're all good. I was thinking that.

I know you are. I literally was like, I'm glad this thing ain't recorded. that thing would be held to my account. My gosh. Thanks for joining us. We will see you on Wednesday of next week. Hey, listen, looking for a good church, want something that's like nothing you've ever seen

or experienced before ever in your life. This is the place to come. And you will not, as I said last night, you'll not leave the same way you came in. You will be changed. You may leave if you're not in the right frame of mind or you're not in the same vein of Christianity? You might leave pissed.

True. People do. And I don't say that word lightly. You might leave just like that. You will. If you're not there, if that's okay, bye. But the ones that won't be, that will love it. Take their walks seriously with the Lord.

They'll stay. I want to know the signs of the times and want to be ready and prepared. And they don't want to just check a box and say, I went to church on Sunday. Because as many pastors are checking in the box, so are people going to church. Yep. Only want to go for the 50 minutes, three songs in, 25 minutes of preaching, if that. The rest is announcements and get the heck out of Dodge.

That's all they got time for. Shame on you. God deserves better than that. What Jesus did for each and every single one of us deserves more than 50 minutes a week. So shame on you if that's your heart. I'm done. See you on Wednesday. hopefully on Sunday. Bye.