The Hope Hotline - Chatting & Thorn in the Side!

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

The Hope Hotline | S03-E56 | 08-20-2025

Hello, and welcome to the whole, real talk, there is a theme with all of us, turn on, turn you guys on, turn you guys on. We're ready. Fearless. Fearless. Hold on. Somebody else is coming. Yeah, she is. She had to wear the shirt.

Keep coming. Come all the way over. This one. There it is. We're ready to go. Yes. I'm so excited. Question is, are you?

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To be honest, to meet God in the middle of what still hurts. You may walk in heavy, but you won't walk out the same. if you loved last year you are going to love this year and i have to say the decorating team which venice is a part of she came in hot she did she did she came it literally walked in right yeah i literally just stopped my latest project thank you i was like all right with Two minutes to spare. That was good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, that was good. Ready to go. It's, yeah. I wish I could give you guys a sneak peek, but just know, once you walk into this place, you're going to be blown away. It's exciting. God never fails. Never.

Just takes it to the next level every time. It really does. He really does. So, and like, what I love is it's never like, it's never like what you would see at Hobby Lobby. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, nope. Not that Hobby Lobby is bad. because I actually love Hobby Lobby.

I was just there yesterday. But it's also a cookie cutter, you know? It's just like, geatsy. Yeah. Listen, I got Hobby Lobby stuff at my house right now because, like, I mean, I didn't know how to decorate it, so I just threw stuff up after Hurricane and I haven't figured out how I want to decorate it. So it's going to stay like that for right now.

Like, I could give a rip what my house looks like as far as decoration. Like, I lost everything. Right. Everything was torn down, so I just, I'm like, everything's hitting the track. But, um, I'm just trying to save Hobby Lobby. Oh my gosh. No, but it's like, it's like going on to a model home. Like it's pretty, but it's not yours.

It's not like, it's not like, it's not like, I don't know. It's just, yeah. It's like what you see and everybody else's house. But this time, like, but every single time we decorate. Yeah. It's all organic. It's all, it's all like. like stuff you wouldn't see yeah eclectic no I don't know if that's eclectic I don't know

what I mean is is it's its own original it's it's an original like we didn't go and pick up something and then I don't know what eclectic means I don't think that's it when you pull things from different places like yeah yeah but it's all different if that's a collective this is like all on theme oh yeah yeah yeah you're right okay I see what you're saying yeah yeah like If you look at friends, their dining room table was all different chairs. Yeah. Yes. That's eclectic.

Okay. Okay. It's not where everything is. Cohesive. I have to have a cohesive. I have to have theme. Yeah. So it's like a room decorated with a mix of modern, vintage, and bohemian elements.

So there's just lots of different elements. But ours isn't. Ours has like a theme. And yeah. it's not eclectic it will always have a theme yes but it's easier that way too because like you just stay on the vision oh yeah and then everybody loves a good theme and you know what god is not the author of confusion correct so we're staying biblical and we reflect our father we do because the posture of our heart really matters for these things yes and our tribe wants to have a theme can we unpack

this let's unpack it right now thing go super like super spiritual yeah decorating went super spiritual yeah and then like horribly arc oh my gosh true you're welcome yeah that's what we do it's pretty bad it looks so good I'm like if you come just to see how nicely decorated it is worth it or like how amazing it is can I share this story yes okay I'm talking with hope yeah in the sanctuary okay I don't know what story No, the AC guy comes in. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He was blown away.

Almost like we took his breath away. Oh, my gosh. Then we invited his mother. Yeah. No, and then I invited every single woman in his life to come. I love that. He's single, but he could meet somebody. Oh, wait, he's single? Tell him to come to church on Sunday.

We've invited him. We've invited him. It's an work in progress. Okay. They could use the Lord. Okay. Great people. Yeah.

But he was like, can I see the foyer? Like, he wanted to see all of it. Yeah, he was like, this is amazing. I've never seen anything like it. And I'm like, oh, you know it's good when a man notices it. Well, last night, two men from the men's hub, they didn't know that there was no men's hub last night. And they walked in and they were like shocked. Blown away.

They were like, whoa, what's going on? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because they never come to the conference because when you walk, by the time Sunday Cup rolls, around everything is torn down right so yeah true maybe we need to leave it up have pastor tom preach with it behind him oh my gosh that'd be so funny they wouldn't bother him at all what are you talking about it would bother you yeah why why i couldn't be able to get him around if we still have like the tables oh no no no those would be torn down like everything on the stage oh but no they were talking about preaching and preaching with it he'll look at it all tonight i can't wait for him to see it

but it's going to be awesome it's going to be awesome so yeah if you haven't registered please do yeah but know this too if you don't register you're still invited yes yep exactly so this is the link except for breakfast i felt right foundation churchFL dot com click events and then you'll see both You'll see Fearless, the conference, and you will see breakfast as well. It'll look like that breakfast thing right there. So make sure you do both, if available, because there is limited space at the breakfast. Well, breakfast is closed. It is closed now.

Okay. There's no seats available. Sorry. No breakfast. It's done. Done, done. Sorry. Well, you know, it happens.

Okay. So yeah, so, but you can come to the conference. So please do. What else? This is what it looks like. Tomorrow we start at 7 p.m. Doors open at 6. So get here.

And then Friday, 10, A.m. doors open at 9 and then 7 p.m. doors open at 6 and then you will not be allowed to the breakfast so don't come. Don't show up at 8.30. We're going to turn you away. Oh yeah. And then you can come back at 10 now. So if you do get turned away, I'm sorry, but also you can come back at 10. You can hang out and TikTok in the, what's it called? Parking lot. Okay. Yeah, that's that's that. So foundation church, fl.com, click events and make sure you register. We can't wait to see you. that's so true hold on because that's okay texts i'm putting my thing on do not disturb go ahead um yeah no that's it but we've got this guy out there i've got this to show so do you want me to do what do

what do you want to talk about because i confirm this with her so do you want me go through my things yeah let's do your things okay let me do this real quick so if you're on rumble hello let us know in the comments who's watching and where you're watching from i can see a couple of you Daniel's in there. Skunk 71. I don't know who you are. So drop your name. Drop your name over there.

Amory, hello. Maybe they just want to stay skunk. No, Skunk 71. Let me know who you are. Help a girl out. I want to know. But if you want to stay anonymous, it's fine. We've had a couple of them that like didn't want to tell us who they were.

Hey, Sharon. I figured you were in here somewhere. But you didn't say hello yet. So, but hello. I'm so glad you guys are here. We are going to get into some questions today. But before we do, make sure you like share. Repost if you're on Rump.

make sure you like that little option on the side. Make sure you're following us, too. That helps. Black robe is an option as well. I'm going to go a little different today. I've got to change it up a little bit. Black robe is always an option. That's our own platform.

They can't control us over there. And YouTube, also an option. Not our favorite. Neither is Facebook. But those two are there. We're going to use and abuse. Sorry, guys, but, you know, we're not besties right now. So Holly from Missouri, it's very nice to have you on here.

Thanks for not staying anonymous. All right. Okay, so yeah, so just do all the like, share, all the stuff. We're not live on TikTok right now, but there are plenty of TikTok stuff coming up soon. So hold, hold strong. Hold the line. Hold the line, guys. Before we get there, send your questions in, ask hope at hope hotline.com. And so you can send anything at it all. But also, Natalie will be coming on Friday the 29th. So please send those questions on anything you have from previous episode. that you saw with her, that sparked your interest, any questions that relate to medical field, holistic, all that kind of stuff too. If you're dealing with stuff right now and you're trying to find the best way to do it, she might even drop some hints for you guys. So she's an open book, that girl. So I love that. She's not like, oh, well, I don't want to talk about this. Like, she just says it. And I love that. She is the best. We're on Instagram. You can get our

merch at foundationchfifl.com. Just click on shop. are all over TikTok so the hope hotline is on TikTok we got hope we're going to pause for a second with that 937 followers I know it's like numbers too like it's not even it makes no sense whatsoever but I am now getting people like saying this is my favorite yeah I love this I know I'm glad if music to my ears when you say this makes no sense because I have been preaching that since day one I know it doesn't make sense and we're just going to keep on keeping on and we did and all of a sudden we start seeing patterns and we're like you know what people love that name that tune and so if you they love questions they love questions too

they love god they do like if you talk about god they love i mean like one of my conversations about god has over like 140 now people who've now followed me like it doesn't make sense whatsoever like the things that go viral right just sit there but name that tune is killing it i was gonna say that one's very consistent they are loving that and they love that they don't always know so they get to know because people love being knowers and they love thinking i'm an idiot they do they do well they love that you like they don't they don't know rock like how dare you love a certain genre did you do and they're screaming oh we did they that was a big that was a fan favorite it was a fan favorite it was a fan favorite It was a fan favorite, but there's some she didn't know about some of the alternative music,

and they were like, pull her a Gen X card. How dare her not know that? Oh, yeah. Gen Xers, man, they're not. They don't mess around. But I'm like, keep commenting. They get fended fast. Keep that algorithm going.

Yeah. So we love a good commenter. But yeah, she's almost a thousand. So you want to go check those out and go see what's going on over there. It's fun. And then Vanessa and I am on TikTok. well and Talia and Calia with almost 2000 I know I haven't updated it though so if you've gotten some new ones okay probably a few and then we've got Sarah and Norma as well

she stays on there just to encourage her just to encourage her to keep posting because I we love Norma so um and then coming back to us I went at Tom like Tom's got um oh wait where's Tom's yes he does hold on I might not have told it yet this is crazy I looked earlier today. He had 60 followers. He's not even barely a week old. Yeah, that's true. I was killing myself to get that many people. I know. And people like it, too, which is really crazy because we know how TikTok can be. So you can watch it, but not like it. So people are actually engaging with them as well. Yeah, that's wild. And he's like only got like 200 per each video. Yeah, right. Which is insane to have that many followers when you don't have that many watching.

Yep, he's got 61. right now but I'll get that little he's he gained one since he did about two hours ago he did he's he's doing his thing over here and I appreciate we're gonna spread the gospel people we're gonna get it out there one way or another like it or not we're coming for you but TikToks hasn't seen nothing yet I know I love it I love it we're just getting started that's right um but yes so we do have that other thing that we I don't know if you wanted to mention oh yes let's talk about this okay let's talk about this because this is not good yeah Like, what's happening in, I sent you that thing.

You didn't, and it wouldn't let me download. It didn't have an option. So I was going to screen record, but I didn't. Okay, I'm a weather freak now. I'm a weather. I'm a, like, I was never really into the weather until recently because, like, I think Hurricane Ian changed things for me. I mean, I lived through Charlie, but I wasn't really affected by Charlie, even though it was right down the road. Right.

But, like, compassion, man, for these people. It's true. Because you know. But, okay, North Carolina, the water was, what, how high the waves out there and that sea? So, this was, yeah, this was the forecast that they were saying. So wave height forecast, up to 16 feet for anything that's that green, that neon green color. So that's kind of a, that's the issue right where that Virginia Beach area is. then up to 21 feet because that yellow is touching there. So the problem is it got so big,

even though it's a cat two, it got so, so big that kept spreading out. So that's kind of the problem with this one. So yeah, it's only cat two, but there's so much pushing in. And you can see the rotation. It's pushing it all in because it's rotating the way a hurricane rotates. So you can, you see it like kind of push into the United States. Yeah, well, okay, so right now, it's not it's right in front of north carolina and south carolina and they're suffering yeah they're like what's that name of that place that it's beautiful keep something outer banks the outer banks i just like oh my gosh right it's not pleasant that's like all those houses that are on those stilts and now we have and oh great look at her she's ready to share um

more hurricanes coming. But, like, really, I'm not kidding with you guys. Like, we need to be praying for the East Coast all the way from South Carolina up because they are going to be very affected by this. And what people don't know is a lot of times you believe, like, the insurance companies are going to have your back and they're going to help you and they're going to be there for you. They absolutely are not. not there for you. They absolutely are all about themselves and they have no desire to do what is

right. So not a big fan in any way, shape, or form. Never, ever, ever trust the insurance field because it's a crock crap. And so for all these people, I just feel for them because you think that you know you're going to if you lose something that if you're a Christian whatever you lose will be restored because God is faithful but a lot of these people are not saved and a lot of these people are not believers and I feel for them I really do so show the next one yeah this is yeah this is the one that the three that are coming and then this one was the last one that we just did so that's where it's at so and then the wave one we have those three okay so those three ones are the ones that you are already showing. Yes, this one. That one is ones that have already

happened. No, these are possible development. That's what I thought. Yeah. Yep. So, and are they, is there the potential that they'll go right out into the world? So what I heard with this most recent one behind Aaron, which is that middle X, is that it's going to follow the same pattern. Okay. That Aaron did is what they're, they're kind of thinking because the high and low pressures and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. But there's another one after that. So it's just it's how active it is this early on that's kind of like concerning people yeah it's all those ones that come in from africa man tell you but you know what what was the one that we just uh milton which one was the one that happened in the gulf helene helene oh helene was gulf and so was

milton okay so those were yeah i thought they both did so that that was a that was an issue helene was devastating because that's what took out uh ashville north carolina yes that's what took out parts of, I believe, West Virginia. Yep. Yep. The storm surge. And the storm surge. And that's what we got most of our world from.

And ours was the storm surge with the peninsula, the little, what did they call that thingy? Oh, the, um, no, that's not the peninsula. So the Pensacola is here, and it was this area right there at the curb, Panhandle. Oh, I thought that was Pensacola. Pensacola is the panhandle, but they also said the panhandle is this part. Gotcha. It's the part that curves, if I remember right. So, but there was one area that just got annihilated from that.

Yeah, they did. You're right. So that's, yeah, that's, that's concerning that we're very active and it is August. So pray. Let's just pray against stuff. Because, you know, if it's, if these aren't anything to do with manmade, I'm not saying they are. It's just saying words out loud. But if they are, then we need to pray against evil.

So, and we have the authority to do that. I do believe they're man-made. Well, then even more so. So I will say it. I believe they start out as something, and then we assist them. That's what I believe. So there's always been hurricanes. Correct.

Always. But there were years that there were no, when the hurricanes came, they were usually turned into tropical storms. Now there are no tropical storms. Right. And now it's, everything is a hurricane and it's like a three to five. Right. Yeah. Unheard of.

I don't care what anybody says. Yeah. When I first moved down here, it was like, it was like a span of 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. Where there was nothing. Right. Yes.

You're right. And then all of a sudden, it's just like, so busy. It's one right after the other. Yep. It's crazy talk. It's crazy. It's, I do believe. I agree with you.

I believe it's evil. Yeah. So. I do. not a big fan me either but go ahead okay before we move on there's pastor tom his 61 followers we updated it I mean he's not even had this account no we we yeah it's been a little over a week that's crazy I know the people listen a lot of you guys are like I don't do TikTok I it's it's China but I get it but it's like one of the biggest ways and I'm not kidding you I I was miss skeptic yeah

until Tracy but it is a huge way and it and and has like it's a huge way to share the gospel but all over the world I mean millions and millions of people you will never see never talk to live in other countries that Instagram and Facebook are never going to touch because those are all your sphere of influence these people are not even close right I have no sphere of influence really that follow me yeah to speak of and maybe have 20 and the rest of all these people are people who do not know me um and now interact i mean it is a great opportunity to share jesus yeah and so we're going to use it if they're going to let us we're going to use it because we'll win as many people as we can to the lord and disciple believers but it's crazy

I did not buy into it. And Tracy's like, I'm telling you. Yeah. I just saw so many people, like just, I mean, especially a few years ago, people were just going viral. It was like the Wild Wild West. Well, I think COVID is what really set TikTok apart because everyone was, you know, quarantine or whatever.

And they all flocked to social media, especially TikTok. And so a lot of people went viral during that time. At that time, too, during COVID, everybody was just like dancing and it was just fun like it was just like an escape from because facebook was all the drama all the politics all you're killing my grandma you're all the stuff you know okay and then instagram was photos which was cute yeah but then on tictock everybody loves videos everyone was being silly yeah the reels weren't even popular then no was there christian stuff going on on ticot at that time not really not that i saw on my page mine was like dancing and in those like

funny like the trending where you're talking like over somebody else's thing oh yeah yeah yeah yeah you know where you're just being silly lip yeah yeah kind of like musically was which is what it originally started as but it wasn't always it's just like funny trending sounds but the but the dancing thing was huge and people love that because it's escape from all the drama true yeah but then it went crazy and i was here for it it's pretty wild it is wild yeah it is wild yeah it is wild i wasn't on ticotter in that time crazy yeah yeah yeah i don't yeah i don't know but the I think the thing that you said, that's kind of the biggest kind of, like, light bulb is that it is outside your sphere of influence. So, you know, it's important to reach the people that you have, and you probably already are.

But then, like, I went Facebook live right before I came here. And I had, like, four people just watching me. And I would never be able to connect with them. And I was just telling them about our conference and even if they can't come to watch it. But, like, I could never reach them. If, like, how the heck? Like, I could walk around and try to get people to talk. But they chose to come on my live and watch it.

So it's just like, it's almost like. easy fishing like fishing in a plant that's fully stocked you know like they're going to gravitate towards you if you have an anointing on your life and you're willing to preach the gospel like put yourself out there just read scripture you know and sometimes it's what's so crazy is like you don't have to just stick to that like which is like what i'm not doing that what i'm doing is i'm reeling them in with one thing all the while they are going to see where i am talking about and it takes some people off and i lose some follow I don't care.

Right. I'm not, I mean, I do want to grow it, but it's not, I'm not trying to grow it for my personal gain. I'm trying to grow it for his personal gain. So if somebody wants absolutely nothing to do with God, so be it. I don't care. Yeah. But for those who I might win, that's really what I care about.

I know. You know. I know. And sometimes it's like that one question where people, the one that went crazy, where it was talking about people who are church hurt, that really. helped, like that helped people who were in the middle of having to deal with that same situation, but it was really crazy to see pastors saying, like, this is real. Right.

This is, like, real stuff. Right. And then for people who were church hurt, and they were like, I never thought of it like that. Right. Well, the thing that you say that I love is, like, if you get hurt at your job, it's not like you're like, well, okay, well, I'm never going back to my job again. You get over it because you need to get paid. And then vice versa, you're getting hurt.

hurt by people like people hurt you guys too and that you just don't show up for church because you're mad at them like why do we have the ability to just be like well you hurt my feelings I'm not coming on Sunday like what yeah so I think that it was kind of like eye-opening for people to be like huh well it's so funny because they were like I never even like that like I never even looked at things like as a as a relationship boyfriend girlfriend relationship right right they like never even and it's so funny because I mean there's been plenty of times I've listened to people say stuff and I've been like, that's like a little light bulb goes off. It just, yeah, clicks, right. But God will put the right people at the right time to hear the right things.

Exactly. And so that's what I love about TikTok. Me too. Like I don't watch a lot of TikTok. I, I'm not a consumer. I'm really a producer. Right. But, I mean, it doesn't matter. Like, you don't have to be a consumer to really use it for God. Yeah. And when people say, don't go on something, I'm always like, what is that? Why? I know, because we're so quick to, like, be listener, like, to be followers, but who are we following? The government says don't go on it?

Like, do we trust the government? No, I don't think the government was telling us not to go on it. They were actually encouraging. That's where I was like, I ain't doing TikTok. Oh, really? Well, the thing was is they, that meant, which I don't know why I was so stupid in thinking this, but the rationale after I started processing, I'm like, that makes absolutely no sense hope you're an idiot but um is like you don't want china to have all your information right

okay well if you've gone on sheen or if you've gone and purchased anything in any way shape or form amazon they have your information pretty funny that is so what's the difference right they can literally look up all your information they can look at my information right now without being in doing all those things like i've heard people say oh i'm not giving the government my DNA they have it already they could get it if they wanted it like my husband he was in the military they literally have everything yes they have tom's because tom work for the sheriff's office so but that's how they're solving crimes guys true and like there's even a disclaimer like because there's been like family drama that happens like people who are like putting their DNA in and then they're like

finding like lost siblings right that they didn't even know existed that happened my grandfather what yes he didn't know that he had like i forget what i forget what sibling or if it might have been a sibling i have to find out what it was but yeah he had had a whole other part of his family that he didn't know about i just watched a documentary oh i love it tell me tell me what's the name i'll find out okay because i can't remember it but it was about um an infertility doctor? Oh, wait, yes. Have you seen this one?

No, I heard of it. It's so good. Okay. About an infertility doctor who was helping families with infertility have children. The problem was is they were all his children that he was fertilizing inside women. And now there's hundreds of these kids in a small town, in a town that are related to each other. And now, like, they could be married to one another. no didn't that happen one girl was like married to her brother no one of the people no i didn't see that

in that documentary that might have happened there might have been that might have happened but they're finding people left and right it's still happening to this day i'd be so bad because you paid about it right of course he lied about it for so long until they they they got his DNA they forced him illness right there didn't he think he was like helping them well he's delusional right right then he then he was like to the person to the two people that were like you're evil they're his children right by you know because they he they destroyed like a husband and a wife they think it's their kid and the husband has to find out that's not my kid oh yikes so it's he's devastated families there was absolutely no reason for him to do this okay he just wanted to oh wow

Wow. That's sick. And then when he gets caught and then the kids, his children, not his, by his wife, but other women, when they are like, we're exposing you and the newspapers start calling and he's like, calls them up, gives them what for, because he's not a nice, very nice man to begin with, calls them up, gives him what for, and tells them they're destroying his life. Oh, my gosh. Silly boy.

Like, you have no idea what you're doing to me. me and my family and my wife and our relationship. Hello. Yikes. What about all the men and women are the women you impregnated and the husbands, you destroyed their lives? Right. That's crazy. That's crazy.

It is crazy. But that's how delusional people are. Yeah. I just saw another documentary the other day. Okay. The biggest loser. Me too. Did you watch it?

I don't watch it yet. Is it good? It's three episodes. Yeah. I fall asleep during them, so I can't really say I watched them. I felt like they couldn't have gone deep. paper you know they have to a very surface level but I used to be obsessed with that show oh I never watched it no but I watched these documentaries and I fall asleep unless they are like 45 minutes

that's all you're going to get for me the one we watched or the one you had on and I sat down the ice skating one and everything about them cheating oh yeah that was good yeah but that one was only for like an hour yeah and then it moves on to another one I can only do that long yeah was with me we were watching a documentary on like cults and I'm sitting there and I look at Talia and I go I think I was in a cult oh my gosh that's when she learned and then they called me Tracy right away was like Tracy Vanessa was in a cult it could have been so funny that's when they realized it all came to fruition it's interesting I don't watch TV right but those documentaries man they're fascinating we I watched one with Jeff on Waco you know Waco

oh I watched that one but I felt sleep during that too so go ahead and at the very beginning when they're kind of developing the story i look at jeff i go you know what this guy is a nice guy he's like that's why you would you would be an occult Vanessa it wasn't for you thought he was a nice guy well he did like episode what yeah he seemed nice on episode one episode one he was a decent guy but he was trying to like you know set the hook to like right that's what enemy does exactly it's got to be cute and get you okay he was not cute no no he was hideous listen i don't remember on top of that like they said he wasn't even a nice guy the way they made him look on episode one i was just like oh he's a nice guy he was just trying

to be like good to the community and like that is funny yeah you can never ever leave jeff no and that is exactly why the lord was like this is your husband and he's going to take care of you all the days of your life oh my god that's scary I do feel like I wear rose-colored glasses. Like the cup is always half full for me. Yeah, I love that for you. You know what I mean? I love it.

Yeah. Just stay with Jeff. I always expect the best. That's okay. Always. I love that. You should do that. You should.

You should definitely do that. Oh my gosh. I did not know, and I probably did, but I forgot. But I started watching the Oklahoma bombing too. Oh. But I've all slept during that. That's another dog. documentary. But I didn't know that that guy that did the Timothy McVeigh, I had to think,

he actually showed up at the Waco thing because he was one of those government, he was one of those like militia people. He showed up at Waco supporting the people and not the government, but supporting the people that were trying to make the stand. in Waco, that cult. Then, apparently when he bombed the Oklahoma building, it was over Waco, supposedly. Interesting. Interesting.

That is interesting. I don't buy all of that because, you know, I don't buy what we're told to begin with because a lot of it's a lie. But just saying, interesting. I would love to finish one of these things. So I actually know the middle, because I always watch the beginning for about 20 minutes, fall asleep for about 45, wake up for about 10. There's one that I want to check out. It's this woman who, like, lied about having cancer and, like, started.

Oh, she's the Instagram. Ann. What is it? Oh, I don't know. She's that Instagram influencer or something. She raised all this money. I started watching it, but I feel like that. I did.

I missed you. I started. I couldn't do it. I never started it, but I thought that was fast. And I was like, what? Who pretends to have cancer? Apple cider vinegar or something like that. What was it called? I watched both of them. Apple cider vinegar, maybe. Like she was trying to, she was selling a lot of organic remedies, a lot of recipes, that kind of thing. And then. It is. Apple cider vinegar. That's one of them. And then inventing Anna is the other one. Did you see that one?

That one, no. That one is wild. Two separate people? Yes, two separate ones. So good. Inventing Anna, she literally was like broke and convinced people that she was a millionaire. It was the, New York City. What?

Incredible story. She was in jail because she scammed a bunch of people, for real. And so, watch that one. Oh, the actor for that is very. I love that. So good. Oh, my gosh. So are these documentaries?

Are they movies? Oh, no. Documentary. Documentaries. Documentary. I can't say that word. it's one of my words i can't i don't have time for movies i don't have time for documentation i'm going to say i'm barely i fall asleep tom always says she has one she has only two speeds

go and stop true that you're like um your dog that is true on and off but that's funny whatever okay okay that i don't even know what we were doing are you done i'm done okay let's we can do a question oh my gosh like i don't even know where we were going How we got there. Me either. Surprise, surprise. I don't know. Okay.

So let's do a question. Okay. And then we'll do sponsors. Perfect. It says we listen to Tom every Sunday. Don't live local and believe what he says about healing, even though I'm still working on my healing. I was in a Bible study with a friend of mine that is a pastor.

And when they would pray, they would pray for guidance for the doctors to help with chemo, et cetera. Never would they pray for healing. And when I asked why, they said it isn't always God's will. heal everyone and pointed to these two scriptures and of course paul and his thorn in the side which we interpreted as an eye condition since listening to tom and andrew walmack we in studying the word i am sensitive to hear i am sensitive to what i hear the word means i haven't been able i haven't been comfortable in this bible study because i feel like they aren't really teaching the power of the

holy spirit and what we have in christ i've learned so much but didn't have an answer for these two scriptures can you explain these two for me so i understand them better uh first timothy 523 uh why didn't paul heal timothy and instead told him to use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments and then the next one was second timothy 420 why did paul leave tryphemus stick sick oh it's sick trifamous it's she puts stick but i think it's sick uh and i think was this a woman or was this a man i think it was a woman Okay, I didn't want to call him a her by accident. Why did Paul leave trifumous sick and militias and not heal him?

And I thank you so much for your podcast. Okay, so we're going to look at the two scriptures that you mentioned. First one is 1 Timothy 523 is don't drink only water. You ought to drink a little wine for the sake of your stomach because you are sick often. This was Paul saying this to Timothy. The next one was 2 Timothy 420, which is Erastus. stayed in Corinth and I left Trophemus sick in Miletus. Okay, so that's the two scriptures.

We're going to go back to 1st Timothy 523, which is don't drink only water. You ought to drink a little wine for the sake of your stomach because you are sick so often. I'm going to make this super easy. I'm going to make this super easy to understand because it's not complicated, right? I think a lot of times we make things complicated. It's not that he was sick with an ailment or he was sick with a sickness, illness, or disease.

He was sick. Like if you go to Mexico and you drink the water, you might not want to do that because what they have in their water versus what you have in your water is two different things. And they were not clean. the water wasn't purified and the rivers weren't always like they had germs they had bacterias and so a lot of things like if you look about if you look in a i think it's leviticus deuteronomy no it's leviticus there's rules that the lord gave for the israelites um in purifying even their drinking water to even what they could eat and he removed a certain things from what they could eat. And a lot of people think that's because God dictated even what

they could eat. No, he was specifically saying, don't eat things like don't eat certain fish, don't eat certain pork, don't eat certain animals, specifically because they could kill you because they have toxins. They don't, like if you killed them and you ate them and they were bad, like shellfish. We all know, clams, oysters. Not good. I mean, I like them, but if you get the wrong one, you're going to be sick. Well, the Lord knew that. So he's like, just stay away from it. Stick to the things that, because they didn't have refrigerators and they didn't have a way to preserve certain things, stick to these things, you'll be fine.

It wasn't like he was trying to mandate, you can't eat this and you can't eat that. That's not how it works. Well, that's what Timothy was dealing with. Timothy was dealing with just like Aaron went to, I think wasn't it, Italy? Morocco. This is the best story on the face of the earth. He goes to Morocco. He has done really good not to drink the water, only to drink bottle water.

But then he ate something. He got seafood. He got, thank you. But what was it? It was a stew, I believe. He just told me, no, it was just because they cooked the shrimp or they had, they had a seafood sitting in the water. Yes, but it was like a stew or something. No, I think it was just that the seafood was marinating in their water and then they cooked it.

Oh, okay. I'd be wrong, but he just told me and that's what I remember from. Dang it. So, like, you can't even do that, okay? You can't even, he did not even drink, but I feel. like hmm it could have been but i wish i wish i had him i would ask him it's going to drive me crazy what it's call him oh my gosh yeah phone a friend okay i'm phone and a friend so he well well it's not for you it's for me because i'm going to go crazy if i don't know it

but so he ate this food okay it wasn't even he didn't even drink anything he ate food that had been in their water and he was sick on the air flight home every 10 air flight the airplane ride on the flight home he was sick every 10 minutes who norma i'm not gonna you know what the deal is that like he blew up that bathroom like there's no tomorrow like uh is he telling you so he had to wait for it to get out of a system there's nothing you do at so paul is basically saying to him a little wine because the wine was from grape what the wine was it when they did wine is originally grape juice but grape juice ferment just like if you got get what's that kombucha

kombucha yep if you get kombucha like you better drink it within or a right amount of time or it will ferment and i love kombucha but i won't like you can tell when it starts turning and And I'm like, it doesn't even taste good. No. I love it. But when it starts not, when it starts turning, no. Because it's basically all fruit. What did it?

So he was in Spain, but it was during the Morocco trip. And it was farmed food. So the food was farmed. And so he said it was, that's what made him sick. And he said it was 17 hours of, it was the worst 17 hours of his entire life. It's a great story. Poor thing. 17 hours.

But. so that's the thing it wasn't that he was really sick it was that he was that paul is saying stay away from the water yeah drink a little wine stay away from the water give your stomach a break that nobody ever has said that Timothy like um that he had a sickness illness or disease they can't prove that but um And people will say that wine does, I don't know how true this is. But like grape juice, their wine that was the best was grape juice. It was pure.

Like when Jesus made water into wine, it was grape juice. And that's why they said you saved the best. Usually we get the best at the beginning, you saved the best for last. And that's because it was so good. Okay. What are you finding out for me? um if it's if it does help your stomach or not and most likely not too much alcohol actually irritates your stomach and they said that there is a certain polyphenols is that right

that may promote good gut bacteria so does grape juice um i wonder if it was more to purify the water than it was to settle his stomach probably don't drink only water you ought to drink a little wine for the sake of your stomach because you are sick so often. So what part of that is like what tell me about the purification of the water? I wonder if the the wine was was to like treat the water so that when he drank it it wouldn't hurt his stomach. I don't know. This is just my brain. Well they a good back then a when they made the water or they made uh wine it was 20 times more water than it was the juice so whatever percentage was water there was there was more water than juice but 20 times that a lot from the

studies that i had i've had they could do it varied but most of the time they did more water than they did juice. Okay. So this is interesting. Biblical and ancient times, water was safer or wine was safer than water. And it says that water was often contaminated, like you said, anxious sources like wells, rivers and whatever weren't treated or filtered. Alcohol in the wine kills bacteria. Mix in a little bit of wine with water, help disinfect it. Which is what they did. They would put the two together and more of one than the other. So wine has antiseptic properties. So wine has antiseptic properties. due to the alcohol and the polyphenols I guess is what it is it could reduce harmful microbes so diluted wine was common people often drink watered wine like you were just saying hope like one part wine to three to ten parts water to make water safer and wine less intoxicating but yes adding wine to water help reduce illness from dirty water so he's just basically saying because he I think Timothy that's all he was doing his water because you're drinking bad water all the time so it wasn't to do with his like it wasn't treating anything in his body it was treating the water yeah he i think it was

well i think but a lot of times too is he didn't want to be drunk right because a lot of it probably got fermented and it got fermented somewhat fast and he was probably trying to be like pure but at the same time or maybe he just didn't like the taste and he likes water better but at the same time the water was not good yeah so it's not not so the Bible study you need to go back to your but that Bible study and say sorry that's not going to fly try again that's not going to fly also shouldn't Jesus be our example you know what he did drink he did drink wine right but not for ailments like not you know what I mean like if like why pick this one verse this one time that possibly maybe his stomach

was bothering him but like like it was like I don't I love Paul I think Paul's amazing um and I look to him for a lot of stuff, but it's Jesus first. You know what I mean? And if Jesus healed every time. Yeah, but this Bible study doesn't believe that Jesus heals every time. But he did. Yeah. Show me a Bible verse where Jesus did not heal. Right. Well, he didn't. Okay. He didn't heal every time. That's the truth. When the people didn't come to him now. No. No, that's not true. Tell me. In the town of Besseda and in his own hometown. Right. Right. He could heal. he couldn't heal them he could do no mighty work it says because of their unbelief that doesn't mean they didn't come to him that means when they did come to him they didn't mix their belief they

didn't have belief with his they were skeptical of him and what he said he could do so that's part of the problem that people don't understand it didn't say they never came to him it says that he couldn't that's the reason why in the town of besteida when the man came and that was and was blind he walked him out of that town for miles those people followed there were people that followed him but he walked that man out because of the unbelief that was in the town it was so profound he had to walk him out and lead him and there he prayed because that and that was the only man and he had to pray twice because of it because of the unbelief so jesus did uh lay hands on people and they didn't recover and he ended up believing because of their lack of belief and he could do no mighty work it said

But it wasn't because of Jesus. It was because of their unbelief. And this is what Tom tries to tell people all the time. And people, for some reason, they don't get it. I don't understand. When you look at the man who had the child and who had the epileptic seizures and was being thrown in the fire. And the apostles, which were disciples at the time, they had just. come back with the 70 who had been healing because Jesus sent them out and he said lay hands

on the sick and they'll recover anybody who will not accept you just the same just the take the dust off your feet or shake the dust off your feet and in your sandals and go on to the next place and he told them don't take anything with you remember that all those guys had just come back they had seen everything that Jesus had been doing they had seen that's why they were so taken aback that when they laid hands on this kid, they couldn't, they didn't see what they had prayed for. The problem was, is he had an epileptic seizure. And that is, like, I think that caused them to have Dalton unbelief when they prayed over him. Like, it was something that scared them to death. And Jesus, it didn't bother Jesus, because it takes,

two people it took the Lord and that's the reason why whenever he went to somebody just like that man he says do you believe or do you have faith every single time when he laid hands on somebody he said do you believe or do you have faith

that man was at least honest and said I do believe but help my unbelief and that's when Jesus was able to do something because the man was honest and he was transparent about where he was at so his belief was more than his unbelief but he still had unbelief

that when he when Jesus went to those towns if those people said they believe but they really didn't there's nothing he can do it says we're two or more gathered in his name I will do it right those two people have to be in agreement there's lots of times I've prayed for people and they said they believed I'm the only one believing they want to believe but they're they've got so much more unbelievers that the unbelief is superseding the belief. There's nothing you can do about it.

Does that make sense? Yes. So for me, it's like, Jesus is Jesus, but he, like, he still had to have cooperation. If people were not cooperating with him, they're not going to get what they're believing for. That's why he was very dogmatic about it. And he couldn't do things.

because of people not standing in agreement with him. Does that make sense? Yeah. Or do you not, and if you don't agree with what I'm saying, please say, I do agree with you on certain things, but this is where I don't agree with you. So you can do that. Yeah. So I'm reading Mark, I do agree with you on a lot of it because I hear exactly what you're saying. Every time, like even the disciples were like, why could we not do this?

And it was always unbelief every single time. So like that's something that I think a lot of people struggle with. in Mark 6.5, while I was reading Bible Hub, I don't know, I was like all the way down at the bottom. It says he could not do any miracles there except lay hands on a few sick people and heal them. So it doesn't say either or. It doesn't say that people came and he couldn't heal and it doesn't say that people didn't come and vice versa. But it does say that. He says he could do not, he could not do any miracles there except laying his hands on a few people and heal them. And then the next one is he was amazed at their lack of faith. Then Jesus went around teaching. from village to village. So that's kind of that gist of that. That's just that one gospel.

Right. And then so that's, yeah, exactly. That's Mark. I think there was one in Matthew, too. Well, all the four gospels tell a whole bunch, tell it, like Luke is way more detailed, but. Okay. Yeah, I gave me Matthew. But then the other thing, so where I kind of struggle a little bit is that, like, the dead. So how do you, like, how did Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead and receipt? Like, he, he obviously didn't have belief because he was dead so they did well he didn't but well he did well I will tell you this okay what did Mary and Martha both say to Jesus when he got there you were late yeah like why like why did you wait so long you were late but he also they also said if you would have been here right he wouldn't have never died so they obviously believe and they also said that

they believed that he because they believed in the raising of the dead yeah right so they obviously had faith and they had faith to believe that Jesus what he said should come to pass they believe the words that he spoke so they were in agreement with his their with when Jesus basically said I'm going to raise him from the dead well they believed it so their faith was in unity with his faith and then on top of that I would say and this speculation on my part if Lazarus was asked while he was dead, did he believe that Jesus could raise him from the dead? I would guarantee you he probably would have said yes.

And the reason I say that is because Mary and Martha was his sister, and they were best friends with Jesus. They were very close with him. And I think all of them knew who he was, and I think all of them didn't doubt what he could do. And they were all in unity on that. Even though Lazarus wasn't alive, Mary and Martha put their faith with Jesus that he could raise their brother from the dead. And I believe that's the reason why it happened.

Okay. Because they said it. They said that he would have never died. Yeah. No, that's true. So I think that everything, it's so simple. Right. Everything is so simple.

And we make things so complicated. like this Bible study saying God doesn't heal every time like it's so simple just read his word and it clearly says it's played out like yeah he does yeah he does like all you got to do is read the words all you got to do is read the Lord's prayer for crying out loud it is not complicated it's true but people use their what they've experienced to come up with you know because it well I did Because people will say, I did believe, you know, and people are delusional to a point to be like, they won't even, like, reflect and say, was there any doubt there? You know, they'll just be like, why did believe?

And it didn't work. And that's it. That's good enough for them. Yeah. And a lot of times, a lot of times, I agree with you, it's based on personal experience or what they believe. But that's the same thing is when Jesus went into his own hometown and you did no mighty work. What did they say?

We know him. we know his brothers we know his mother we know who he is yep so because they knew him because they grew up with him they didn't believe in him that's like all those people they didn't believe and so you're basing everything on like you just said personal experience right oh yeah all the time I see it you can't do that you have to base everything on the word no matter how you feel about it right because it's truth and if you can't stand on the one thing then you can't stand on any of it right right it's a full gospel it is i i literally wonder how people i don't understand this but how can you believe that your salvation is secured but you cannot believe that you're

that your healing isn't the same it's as secure as that salvation yep how can you believe believe the one and not believe the other. I would be very like to me it's as it's as risky to believe that you know when you die and go to heaven that you're actually saved. To me they're both risky. They're either dead on right or they're both wrong. Don't stand on the one and not on the other. I don't get it. I don't either. How can you come how can you literally rationalize that? I know. but people do yeah yep what were you going to say i think it's just a lack of reading their word and um kind of leaning on their own understanding like because you can't read god's word and

and have those two viewpoints well a lot of people will allow other people to speak in their life whether it's medical like professionals um and then once that seeds in there yeah it's hard to rip it up it's hard to forget that somebody said something yeah yeah i don't for me i think i don't know for me i think like believing that healing can and will always happen it's like um i think people rationalize not believing it because it seems so hard to comprehend when you have to stand in faith for something and you're not seeing it come to fruition and then you have to sit there and go like what am I doing wrong or is there something that I haven't is there something that either I haven't forgiven somebody

for or do you you want to hang on to something that you should forgive somebody for like there's so many facets to receiving healing just like there's so many facets to being saved your salvation just doesn't come because you said the prayer your salvation comes with living a 180 degree lifestyle change people don't correlate the two right healing requires you having some understanding of what that entails like who is jesus who is he to you and what will he do for you and what does faith look like? Well, salvation is no different. People just say, oh, I said the sinner's prayer, so I'm saved. Good luck with that. It's the same thing, though. Like, I can do the salvation thing and absolutely do nothing to get it. I have to do something to get healed. I have

to look at myself. Or, like, why did one time it happened just like this and another time it didn't? Like, there's a little bit of work involved, maybe. But there's work involved with salvation. exactly it's it's when the lie comes in taking every single thought captive and making it obedient to god instead of making a nice little home for the lie where it grows and you know that seed turns into fruit bad fruit but it turns into fruit yeah my thing too is like you can see healing in your body instantaneously you can't see salvation until you die and go to heaven or hell like so both of them like healing at least you can experience now salvation sorry true not so much true very true i don't know for me i feel like it's just people nowadays just settling like

i feel like what's a common thing i'm seeing is people just settle for like the worst now like they don't like push to like see like the higher things like because it's uncomfortable relationships settling and healing they just like they just settle and like they're like being poor it's like i I feel like people are just, like, settling for everything now. They're not, like, actually. Well, there is no, there's not a lot of drive in a lot of people. There, there, there are goal-oriented people. And then most, like, excuse me, if you look at a lot of people's lives,

they live their Christian walkout just like they live their professional lives. Right. It's true. it is true so if you're just a person that uh that like clocks in eight to five you just do barely enough to get by on your job just so you can get that paycheck but not going to do too much because it's the man and the man don't deserve but just enough because you're happy with life just getting by because don't exert yourself too much well most people's christian walks are very much the same way.

True. Very true. And it reflects that. Yeah, it's parallel. Yeah. Everything. Whatever you do in life will parallel your spiritual walk almost every single time. You may talk a good talk, because you might talk a great talk at work, making it sound like you're doing all these things.

True. True. But there's no fruit. Yeah. Great. Where's the promotions? Where's the raises? Yeah.

but you know spiritually speaking it's the whole big thing too it's a big old goose egg just like you are at work so people never ever look at things like that they really don't yep they always think someday it will change it will never change until you do it's never going to happen faith without works is dead you need to activate your faith walk it out every single day be dangerously consistent likes discipline and disciplining yourself to be consistent is very hard people always look at discipline as in like you're getting spanked you're getting grounded or whatever no discipline is teaching yourself in the midst of not really wanting to do something you do it in spite of that do it anyway yep and consistency you run the race consistency is hard I gotta stop it's very hard so I'm going to

to finish this one little thing because we'll answer this last little part of this question, which is the last verse that you mentioned, which is 2nd Timothy 420, which is Erastus, stayed in Corinth, and I left tropphemus sick imelitis. Now, if you look at that word sick, broken down in the Greek, it is, I can't even say the name, so it's, but it's asthenio. I can't say it in the Greek, but in English, it's Asthenio, which is, means to be weak, ill, sick, weak, disabled people, invalid, sickness, weakened, weakening. So it doesn't mean that necessarily that when Paul said he left him sick, he could have been just weak. It doesn't mean that he was like he had some sickness, illness, and disease.

Now, he might have, but that word also means to be weakened. So if you look at math, through Henry, the commentary, it says about that particular trophemus is sickened militant. It says, by which it appears that though the apostles healed all manner of diseases miraculously for the confirmation of their doctrine, yet they did not exert the power upon their own friends unless it should have looked like a collusion. And if you look at the word collusion, which is a secret agreement or cooperation, especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose. So does it mean that Paul left him sick and he left him sick forever what he did is he left him he didn't do the healing and the reason he didn't do the healing is because he they they didn't want people to

think they colluded together does this mean he stayed sick though yeah just means Paul didn't heal him because they didn't want it to look like they were doing something fraudulent but it doesn't mean that he stayed sick there's a big thing there's a big difference He was maybe telling him, I left him sick. Now you heal him because I can't heal him. Does that make sense, ladies? It does. Yeah, yeah, that's good.

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because that guy was left there. Jesus didn't heal everybody either. So it wasn't because of Jesus, though. It was because of lack of faith and unbelief in the people that he was praying for or in the town that he was in so that's it what are you shaking your head for yeah you're in agreement yeah gotcha okay we are not going to be here on friday right because of the so listen Thursday night is live streamed Friday morning is live streamed that got worked out Aaron figured it out live streamed every service except for Saturday is live streamed Saturday will not be live streamed so Thursday night Friday morning Friday night all live streamed so make sure you tune in and lastly we're

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