The Hope Hotline - How Would You Respond?! Pt.2

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

The Hope Hotline | S04-E46 | 09-11-2026

Real talk. Hello and welcome to the Hope Hotline. Thank you for joining us on this beautiful, hot, muggy, stinky Friday. I feel like this morning was okay when I went out. And then all of a sudden I went out again and I was like, oh, no. It feels like the sun is like right on top of us. Oh my gosh. Yes.

And you know what? It's been beautiful. August wasn't that bad as far as heat goes. I don't think at all. And then September, I mean, we're only 11 days in. Today is a day. Yeah. To remember.

Today is a day to remember. I am enjoying the rain, the afternoon rain. Oh, yeah. I am. It makes it feel like fall. Last night when we came out from the podcast, it was beautiful out. Tom's like, I'm going to enjoy my walk tonight, which he's walking 15 to 17 minutes. But he's like, I'm going to enjoy my walk tonight.

And I'm like, man, it's beautiful. I brought 2D to dance. And it was the sunset was insane. And then it was nicer. Yeah. Oh, I sent you as now. It was like 10 o'clock at night when we left. I think so.

No, it was way after 10. It was like almost 11. Yeah. Yeah, well, that was even cooler. Yeah, it was so nice and cool. But it's hot as tar outside right now. I walked in and I was like, ugh. Hot as tar.

But then it's nice and cold in here. Oh, boy, is it. Let's not let that air condition turn off. I am one sweaty mess right now. Oh, my gosh. You might have to put it down. Yeah. Uh-huh.

What was I going to say? I was going to tell you guys something. You said a day to remember. Oh, obviously, because Twin Towers and 9-11, 25th anniversary. I mean, that's crazy. 25 years. There's no way because we're 20. Exactly.

And I was in high school when that happened. I was in chemistry class. When it's a home room. Yeah, well, okay. So Vanessa was actually in New York when it happened. I was actually talking to my son about it. I was reliving the day because I know exactly what I was wearing. I know where I was, who I was talking to.

I know every detail of that day. I was thinking about you today when they were naming the names because you guys, You lost people that you knew. And I was thinking about you today when I was watching them read off some names. And I thought to myself. Abigail Medina. Her name is at the Freedom Tower right now. So sad.

Where does she, which like which? I think she was in the North Tower. And she was high up there like 100 and something. So she couldn't get into that. They never found any remains. That's what when I was working out this morning, Natalia was saying to me, I was in the sixth grade.

I'm like, shut up. That's crazy. Sixth grade, she remembers. She said they took her outside. Now you know how I feel. You're in high school. Shut up. I know.

And I was like, I was in my living room with Norma. It was barely, not even one yet. Right. With Tommy running around like a chicken. Oh, of course. Yeah, wild man. And Tom called me. He's like, are you watching TV?

I'm like, no. And he's like, turn on the news. And then I turned it on and not even five minutes later. The other one. The other one fell. I mean, the first one fell. Or no, the other, first one, the second one got hit with the plane. That's her.

What am I saying? Yeah. Yeah. Right after. And I told her, I was like, I literally watched the plane fly right into the building. Yeah. Yeah. My high school was situated in Brooklyn.

But if you look at the map, Brooklyn and Manhattan are very close. There's just a bridge that. separates that separates them yeah so my high school was right on the other side of the bridge of the williamsburg bridge and could you see it from your like were you guys watching i was in school and everyone was freaking out but nobody would say anything no one told us anything so the teachers yeah so i go into my so from chemistry i go to my government history class and my my teacher is bawling her eyes out she's pregnant bawling her eyes out her high it ended up being her husband was in one of the towers. Did he make it out? I don't know. I don't remember that detail. And all of a sudden, I hear my name on the loudspeaker because parents were coming to pick up their kids.

And we walk outside and I look on, I look up and there is just like a black sky. Wow. Literal black sky. Dust. It had to have been. It almost looked like the end of the world. I was like, are we, is this? You were like, it might be behind.

So here's the thing. Let me ask you this. So they picked you up after they fell. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And then my brother who was going to school in the city was in the subway, underneath underground.

And the cell phone towers were done. We couldn't get a hold of anybody. And so we're literally sitting in our living room watching the news, not knowing anything about where my brother was, about his safety, and all of a sudden he walks in our apartment. And we literally like fall apart. Turns out he walked.

So he got off at one of the stops, and he walked home from the city. It was one of those moments that just stayed. Like I remember every single detail of that day. it's one of those moments where it stays with you. I mean, as in Florida, and I remember every detail. I can't imagine being a New York City New Yorker. I know.

Which is, I mean, Brooklyn, you're still New York City. I don't care. One thing I do remember about that time was the patriotism. Right. Happening. Every one of us, it's like we all came together and we were like, it didn't matter. It didn't matter if you were white, black, Hispanic.

it didn't matter at that moment. Like we just helped each other. And it was like you had like there was so much pride. There was there was American flags flying everywhere. Everyone loved the cops. Everyone loved the fire department. Even down here. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Even down here. Like it didn't matter. Yep. Yeah. Like we were like celebrities. We were taking pictures with them. Like it was incredible.

I just remember that. One of the, I worked at Chico's headquarters for a little while. And my boss there actually was in New York City at JFK catching an American airline flight to Los Angeles. She was at the airport ready for it. And then they said that she got to the airport. The ticket agent said that a small plane had hit the World Trade Center. Guess what they kept saying? A small plane, that's what, just from down here. They kept saying it was a small plane that hit the first one. And that went no small plane. I don't care what anybody says. But they, I heard the same thing.

thing. Yeah. The news kept saying it was a small plane. Yeah, that's what they were, yeah, that's what they were saying to her too. And so she said that I checked my bag, went to the gate and sat, and then the second plane hit. And she remember as being in front of the TV at a Chili's airport or at the Chili's watching the third plane hit the Pentagon. And then she said it was complete chaos. So she decided to stay there. She called her mom and her aunt. And those are the only two people she was able to call before the phones went out. And she was going to make any more phone calls. And then she stayed and helped at ground zero and so she got like a little certificate of her time down there that's crazy yeah so crazy my sister was the did and she still does but to that same extent had a huge event for her the company she works

for and they did this huge event and i believe it was on the west coast um i can't remember it wasn't california but i don't remember where it was but um she was stuck there. Wow. And she was going to have to drive. Oh my gosh. Because they said basically, there ain't no planes going up in the air for a while. Right. Right. So you want to get home? You might need to drive. That's, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's like trains, planes and automobiles. Yeah. That's what it was like. That's what you got. Yeah. Because nothing was, everything was grounded. Right. Right. And then you think, do I want to get on a plane? Right. Everybody was scared to get on a plane afterwards because they were afraid that it would happen again. It's happening. Right. Yeah. It's wild.

And I was 15 at the time. So in my brain, I was like, are we still under attack? Yeah. That whole week, I'm like, I'm like bracing myself for another like attack. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. I know. Because of the one plane came from Boston going to Los Angeles.

And so same. Like I remember being like, wait, like, what's, is there something bad in Boston? Like I'm an hour from there, you know? And so yeah, it was definitely a weird time. It was so wild. The Pentagon one was shocking because I, I am from that area, so you kind of know that area. And my sister was back by this time back in D.C.

But it was pretty crazy. That was pretty crazy. I can remember my mom and I talking that morning. It was like, wow, it just had happened. I don't even know if everything had collapsed by this time. My mom was like, this is an act of war. And I was like, calm down. I didn't say calm down.

But I was like, no, it's not. Stop. Because I have little kids. Right. Not that they could hear her. Right. I could hear her, though. I don't want to hear that.

I had no kids. But I remember going, no, it's not. We don't even know. Just stop. And then I'm like, later on, I'm like, yeah, that wasn't actually. You were right, mom. I was like, you're an idiot. Imagineable, though.

Like, yeah, it just seems so crazy. Yeah, it was so far-fetched. Right. Yes. But, I mean, as if, like, I probably should have listened because it wasn't the first time. I mean, she was, when I was born. the Vietnam War was going on.

So, like, she know what war was like. She's like, I know what's happening. As if I did. Oddly familiar. Idiot. Like, maybe you should just shut up. Yeah. My thoughts around it have definitely changed.

Yeah. Like, you do, listen, I just listen to a scientist, like, like an engineer scientist. explain how it's impossible that those planes, and even with the amount of gas and heat that it came off of the planes, it's not even possible for those buildings to have come down. I mean, people need to do their homework. I don't care what people say about conspiracy. This ain't conspiracy.

This is actual factual engineers saying not possible for how those things were built with the metal that they had, with the coating of heat repellent that they had. And then cops literally saying, we heard bombs going off. And then people have died since then that were witnesses to different things. They know not from cancer, not from being sick, not from natural causes. Like they're dead because they're dead. Exactly. And what was in that other building that went down that wasn't even affected

about like affected by the planes. There was three buildings that went down. Yeah, but they, if I remember right and I could be wrong, they all said that was from the impact. Yes, of the Twin Towers going down. But it's too, like, it's too odd. Yeah. That, I mean, Tom had it on his podcast.

If you want to know the, if you want to get to the nitty-gritty and the real down and dirty real fast, watch Tom's podcast because he usually only puts like the real important stuff that's been checked out and then you like you don't have to do a lot of digging he's already done it for you but like how is it possible that certain floors had no one come to work that day for certain departments that are governmental departments no one showed up that day for and I think it's like three floors of employees that don't happen unless somebody knows something Unless somebody knows something.

Also, cameras were shut down. This is one thing that he had on his podcast. I didn't know. He had this on last night. Cameras were shut down from September, I think it was 21st all the way to August 21st through September 2nd. Did you know this? No. All the cameras, security cameras shut off and shut down to the Twin Towers.

For maintenance? No. They just don't know. They just weren't working. if I remember right. Wow. And people saw people from three to five in the morning going to the Twin Towers, going into the Twin Towers, all of them from the 21st of August through the 2nd of September, every single night from three to five. What you doing?

And they're from three to five. Right. Did we have flock cameras back then? Too bad. We didn't. shoot. They would have been shut down to. Because, listen, it's not, it's too sus.

Too suss. I agree. Think what you want to think. At least the passports didn't burn up. Stop. Okay. Okay. So somebody was just telling me about how these passports, like I think it was in Italia saying that the passports didn't burn. But you know what?

here's this is the other thing that is crazy too so I don't know about the passport thing but the first in the first class I heard this guy talking about how he almost got on the plane but he had changed to slight the day before because he wanted to ride first class and eat lunch not breakfast that's fair back to he was flying out of Boston he's flying out of Boston to Los Angeles back home and he's like listen if I'm going to fly first class I ain't breakfast I ate breakfast on the way here

I'm changing it and I'm having lunch because that's better I like him too So he and he didn't normally fly first class So this is back in the day where you had to make the phone calls Or you had to go I mean it was a whole thing to change your flight But he did and he came after his flight left that morning But he came early enough to make sure he could get on the flight than he needed to, that the person on the phone that changed it for him said,

no, you don't need a confirmation number. Everything's good. He's like, no, I'm not going to do it. So he gets there, and he's standing at the ticket counter. And that same ticket counter was the one that the plane, it was 11, Flight 11. Flight 11 flew out of and had just, like when he's standing there talking to them, the plane had just crashed into the Twin Towers. And they had just found.

out that was that flight. So the ticket girl that was the first class ticket girl and she had checked in the hijackers and she was like, oh my God. I just checked them in because and they knew it because the stewardess for the first class stewardess was in the back and she was giving them second by second by second information and telling them what seats they were in so that they could look up who they were and that's how the girl knew. So I don't know anything about passports, But I do know that that happened on that plane. And then the other plane, there was another chick on that other plane. She risked her life.

And she went back there. And she was only on for a short period of time. But she did the same exact thing. But she stayed on longer, I think, than that one stortis that I had heard about. Because she literally, and then the one in Pennsylvania, somebody called and they told that wasn't a stortist. If I remember it in Pennsylvania, it was a passenger. somehow got on there and they were able to. But how, what's the, I don't know about the Pentagon.

Is the Pentagon where the passport was? Because I don't only heard, what's the passport that they did? The passports of the hijackers were found in the rumble, in the rubble. Yeah. How's that possible? Somehow. Is that true, though? No, that is true.

That's what they said. That's how they were able to identify them that they were the ones that were on it. Like, that was the flight. I'm not going to say too much. That's my only comment. I don't want to get a shut off YouTube. That makes absolutely no sense. None of it does hope.

But, I mean, I believe a sureness. Okay. Over. I mean, they have the call. Mm-hmm. They are talking. Oh, my gosh. Are you saying that that's all made up?

I mean, because I will tell you this. I will, this is freaky wild. Okay. Yes. I just looked it up. Four passports belonging to the 9-11 hijackers. were recovered by investigators in the rubble. Okay, well, here's the thing.

Remember Muhammad Atta? Remember his name? He was one of the hijackers. Okay. He lived. Do you know where they learned to fly, by the way? Yeah. Venice.

Yeah, but I got it even better. Okay. Two of them rented my sister's brother-in-law's house. No. Yeah. You should be in jail right now. And he would come out. They were nice guys.

He came and he would talk to him and mo. He moed. Yeah, but they, okay. We're going to talk about this after and we're offline. Yeah. He rented to them. They wanted him to, like when it all went happened, they came to him. I think it was like the National Choir, the Star, or some like TV thingy and wanted to talk to him because they wanted to find out more information.

He's like, I'm not, I'm not getting involved. I don't want to, I don't want any parts of this. Nice guy. Super great guy. but he's like, yeah, they lived in my house for like a year. And then they moved right around the corner from my mom, both of them, and a house right around the corner from her house where she lives right now. Pretty scary.

Pretty wild. Yeah, very wild. We're going to dig into this when we get off. We are. We're on Rumble. So Rumble won't take us off. Did planes actually hit the tower? No.

That's my take. Okay. Like, were those guys good guys for real? And they didn't do all? I'm just literally asking a question. Like, how did we, like, so what were we watching? Well, here's the thing. Like, they literally have people from the ground.

Mm-hmm. That took video of it. Like, what are you thinking? It was all, like, the Truman Show or something like that or whatever that is where somebody just keeps. It's just interesting, like just some of the footage. And the technology, so what I've always been told, the technology we have today, they have had for at least 50 years. So this like chat GPT thing.

So I'm sure some of that is absolutely true. Right. So 20 years ago, what kind of technology did they have? How much footage do we actually have of the planes actually crashing in? Like, how is it like three people? Was it 10 people? And I know phones weren't like as prominent back then, especially with like videos and stuff. like that. Like I didn't have a video on mine.

But it just seemed... I didn't have a video on mine. But they weren't done with videos on their phones. Correct. So what does that mean? They were video... They did with a video camera. As easily as it was to find the passports and the rebel was as easy as it is to produce something that you want everybody to believe to be true.

Yeah, but here's the thing. They literally had people like this is my only thing. Mm-hmm. I remember I remember seeing footage, and I think, I don't know if it was live where they were in the Twin Towers. And like legitimate, you could hear the body's hitting the. No, I think that's true. Yeah. Okay.

So what do you think? I think something different. Like an explosion, like a bomb? Yes. Hit the side instead of it being a plane. That's a theory. That is a theory. That's a theory.

That's an idea. Okay. That's a new one. Okay. Here she comes. You know how people like demolish a building? Yeah, I know. I think the whole thing was bombs, but I don't know about the planes.

I think they were inside because if you look how it falls, it's perfectly. Oh, yeah. It's like a demolition. Like I believe that it was bombs that knocked the whole thing down. That's not. I think that the planes, I think the planes were so that I think actual planes did go into the. And that was how. they said it fell so because they were actually the bombs.

That's a theory. Okay. So what's another theory? Because I've never heard your theories before. This is quite interesting. I actually, DC Drano just posted something and said it's not AI. And as soon as somebody says it's not AI, I'm like, you just proved it was. Let's see.

Let me pull some stuff because it's been a while since I did this one a long time ago. D.C. Drano. But that, that is definitely. one of the theories is that. Because that was the excuse to say for them coming down. That's what I have thought. But I didn't even know, listen, I've always bought into this thing up until like maybe three or four years ago.

Yeah. That it actually was like maybe not that long. Maybe not that not sure, not that short of time. But it's not been that long that I've always believed it was the planes. I just kept saying like, but I always was like, how could he?

from up there take I'm like it never made sense to me but I'm like what do you know you're not an ingenuity right you don't know what you're talking about so like shut up that's how I was like yeah you don't know it's like the moon landing yeah but my mom saw them on the moon she looked out the window and she saw them how do we lose that technology it's 2026 it got but here's my things which which highly suss about this which is about the moon landing is how is it that we have the very first person stepping out but that another person taking the picture of the very very mad.

Who's videoing it? So you weren't the first person stepping out. Somebody else did it. And they're just not getting the credit for it. That because and that's what they were like, that's who they were like, I don't know. Like that they think we're that dumb. to just believe information that's given to us. And here's the thing.

Well, that's stuff like that started being suspicious. Like there's a lot of stuff that people are suspicious of that has, it can't be covered up for as long as it has been. Like, they couldn't even get away with COVID that long. But that's because of how quick information is given. But the moon landing made it. And so did our John F. Kennedy. Right. That all of that stuff made it for a very long period of time of being under suspicion.

Because it was like a lot of people were suspicious of it. Like, I don't know. I was in junior high and people were like, was he really assassinated by, you know? Like I'm in that you're talking about people who are, I'm in the early 80s. So John F. Kennedy was, everybody was suspicious of how. he was really assassinated so long ago like so long ago like that's not even that's not the moon landing even I've heard about that for a real really really long time and then there are people who say well it's all a studio right that's a theory that's a theory so but but if

you sit there and go once you start going well like this doesn't add up up to a certain extent, but there are just some things that if you don't know, like, the moon landing is kind of like, really? Well, maybe, but why can't we do it again? Right. Why aren't we there again? Right. See, that's my whole, my whole thing is why could, if we went there once and we are far more technologically savvy, why can't we go there again? That's what I'm saying. I want to go. That's that me. I'll go up there. Do you know what I'm saying? I'm not. I'm saying that. I'm not. I'm That's where I think a lot of people have always been like, how did we get there once? And we can't go back and we are so much. Like we have SpaceX and we can't go.

Come on. That's where people like, that's when you put your little thinking cap on and go. But the Twin Towers, like literally, like probably was between three and five years ago that I was like, man, that's rough. Like that ain't right. That those buildings were never supposed to fall. and somehow they did.

But they even said that on the news. Like they should have never fallen because of how they're made and la la la la la. That's true. So remarkably, remarkably, only three known cameras captured the first impact and only two were conventional video recordings. Because I asked,

I just said how many people got video of the Twin Towers being hit? Both of them? only three cameras can because I watched it on TV the second one so the second one yes this is the first so let's see okay yeah this is where this is where I'm like well okay okay that's true the first one but what how do you explain away the second one right okay so right this one because I sat and watched the second one on TV me too yeah so how do we explain that one away no we don't we don't explain that one away so some of the conspiracies were that the planes were CGI are digitally inserted theories

claim television networks at an aircraft to live footage, which is not impossible. Like, we know that, but very challenging, especially. But if they have the technology we have today, it's not super easy. No, because we're watching people, people are actually thinking that, like, they just got caught doing, like, bombs and countries, and they actually didn't happen. We were doing some funny business. Yes. So, and it looks real. Of course. Right. So I'm not, I'm not opposing that that can't happen because it has happened just recently within the last 12 months. Right. Yeah. And if we're seeing it. Right. So the second plane looked military as one of the other conspiracies. Really? This usually comes from low quality footage. From the underside of the flight 175 appears to have

an unusual bulge or pod investigations of clear imagery having established that it's military aircraft carrying a missile haven't. So that's another theory. the aircraft should not have been able to penetrate the building. Well, what happens to the passengers that were on those... Were they a light? Have you guys... What's that new show? That's out?

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, she has a friend that... Oh, and she didn't. She wasn't on the plane. She was in the building. I have a friend that her son... Well, she was our secretary at high school and her son was in the building. Okay, but I...

There was a... Susan Olson, who is a... Was a big time, like... really conservative, not a reporter, but an analyst. Yeah. She was on the plane. Not well liked. Is that what you said?

Yeah. I don't know. She was, I don't know. I mean, back then. Does she have enemies? Well, but back then it wasn't the same as it is today. Okay. But all I'm saying to you is she was on the plane.

Yeah. Her husband, I'm not saying he said she was on the plane, but she was supposedly on the plane that hit the Pentagon. Now, I don't believe that I think the Pentagon was also bomb related, but I'm not 100%. But everybody, there's people who say there no plane hit the, but I don't know. Like, for me, it's all like, it's all set. It's all, it's all very suspicious. And it would take a lot.

Because even the Pentagon for me is like, but what about the plane in Pennsylvania? Right. There's, I know. So like, it's like, it's like, you can't. It's so hard to add up all the parts and the pieces. Airplane. That. Manification.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because the thing is, is like, I mean, the guy on the plane that, though, from Pennsylvania, let's roll. Let's roll. I was literally, they made him a whole movie about it. I know.

So for me, because people were calling from the planes. Were they? It's just, these are just theories. Like, I know. But to go to that level is pretty wild. But they, there are people that be that are very, very manipulative. And they want, they, they're, the love of money is the root of all evil. And evil will do evil things and it will never make sense to us ever.

So it's just, it's just, these are just theories that I've heard in my, I never thought I'd turn you into a conspiracy theorist. This is like, oh, I've always been to a certain extent. I will probably never go to your extent. But. That's fair. That's fair. I've always questioned things, but COVID has made it 100 times worse.

Same. Yeah, I think that's where it's like, I used to like always be like, I would listen to the conspiracies and I'd be like, I mean, probably not. Right. But it could be. Now I'm like, it probably did. Probably. Now you have to prove to me that it's not a conspiracy. But it probably did. That's the thing.

I'm like. That's how I lean now. the odds are high that it happened, exactly like the conspiracy says it. And you're going to have to prove me otherwise. But, I mean, it could be not. But no. Yeah, I'm like...

Either way, people died that shouldn't have died. True. And it was a complete... It was just... Either way, it should never happen. Total tragedy. Should have never happened. And it just gets more tragic as you, like,

find the inconsistencies. And the thing is, is, in my opinion, our government, as well as other governments that, in my opinion, perpetuated this. It's like I was telling it to tell you this morning, she's like, how can people do these things or justify it? I can't remember exactly what she was saying. But I'm like, because people come to a mindset of the ends justify the means

as far as, okay, so we lose three to five thousand people, but we'll save 20,000 people. So if it costs us three to five, it's worse it because this many will be saved. Really? Right. I don't think so. I don't think so. Yeah.

The dangerous mindset. As soon as you realize somebody lies, she said the government lied, you start looking into other things. As soon as somebody lies, you have to like question. Unfortunately, that is what happens when somebody is lying on a consistent basis. You have to question things. Yeah. Yeah. Trust is out the window, that's for sure.

Trust is out the window. It's pretty sad. It is. Pretty sad thing. People should never forget, even though New Yorkers just elected the very thing and the very religion that took those, well, helped to take those two towers down. Because I don't believe it was them by themselves. I think it was a collaborated effort of many, many countries. Me too.

not many many a few countries all to eliminate certain people that's enough okay because it's really not about all of that it's really about the lives that were lost it's really 100% right that's why i know once you like kind of dig in enough and you're like i have my opinions then you just focus on like what we're going to remember yeah and you know even which is very very sad right it is it's yeah people should never never forget. No, never. Never forget and never believe anything you hear unless there's proof in the pudding. And a lot of times there's no proof. It's just a whole lot of yap, yap, believe me, because I told you. Never believe anybody because they told you. Always investigate everything. Amen.

Investigate everything, especially in the direction we're headed right now and the way the world is going. And the Bible is very clear about that. Yeah. It's very clear about that. So make sure you're doing, that all those all those things okay okay so do we have now that we have 24 minutes left do we have anything let me just put natalie's thing up so we remember because she's coming and it's going to be the 18th so literally next week on friday we're going to have her here so please join us that day if you have questions feel free to send them in but we are going to be focusing on the mind and you know mental health is probably the easiest way to just put it but it's all everything combined and it's going to be really cool. So we're going to kind of have Natalie's perspective,

but also the biblical perspective. And so obviously Natalie's will be biblical as well. But she'll have a different medical side to it as well. So we can kind of like tie all of it together because guess who created our mind and our bodies and our brains? Exactly. God. So should I tell her my opinion of if you have mental health issues, never have children? Let's talk about that. Let's see what she says. yeah because she'll be very diplomatic about it so it'll be fun to watch i was telling i was telling tom because tommy heard the podcast and i was telling tommy about did we did we raise me on that did we no he agreed he was like okay okay okay he was like oh because i've told him in the past when selecting and and and like like he's obviously going to marry a woman

true hopefully and so i was like i used to tell him like I've always had that opinion. Do not, either do not marry a person that is having to have medications to keep them stable. I know that sounds mean, but God can take care of anything. And if somebody can get off of them and stay off of them, but if they have to go on them after you're married to them, you don't have kids with them. And I flat out said to him, do not bring a child in the world where the mother might not be stable. And I know that sounds mean. It doesn't. It's just, I never even had that thought. Not that I agree or disagree. I just never had the thought of that. So it's funny that that is something that you've. Oh, yeah, long time ago, years ago. I was like, do not. Do not do it.

Is it something that you like had experience in ministry and you, okay, interesting. No, because I'm a forward thinker and I think to myself, how fair is it for that child? Oh, yeah, no. It just never came on my radar. No, never. Never. That was never. But also I didn't know anybody really was on. I didn't know as many people were on. And I thought it was like you're really crazy to have to be on it. I didn't realize like as many people were until recently.

So many people are on medications. Yes, I know that now. And to keep themselves, to keep themselves balanced. Right. If you can't keep yourself balanced, like how do you even think you should do that to a kid? I, more women, I think, well, there's a lot of, men who are on like ADHD and things like that. Even that, I think, don't have a kid because you're on that medication and then you're procreating. And that child, all of that that you've been

taking goes to that child. So that all of those, all that medication is in your DNA. There's some kind of addiction that that child might be able to. And they've never been able to just prove what I'm saying to you. Okay, we've got, we're going to, this is Friday. We're definitely doing this. Yeah. Okay. So like, you're on ADHD medicine for years. Yeah, I heard. Addicted to it. Yeah. Because it is addictive and it is addictive. People will not tell you that, but it 100% is, it is not good for your body. You become reliant on it. That's for sure. So how is it not in the very thing that you, you're, because a male, the sperm is the child and then it goes into the egg. Okay. So how is that child not in some, or that sperm, not in some way affected by that medication? So I'm like, come on, guys.

Let's think about what we're doing and think about the children we're having. Yeah. They say the healthier the man is at conception, the healthier the baby will be. That makes sense to me because he's the carrier. Yeah. The mother's health isn't a factor. I mean, to an extent I'm like, obviously if she's doing drugs and cocaine while I'm drinking and smoking. Right. I totally get it. But the cell itself is. The healthier the father is at the time of conception. Which makes complete sense. Yeah.

Makes complete sense. But for me, I'm like, I don't know. I just like, one plus one equals two. Like how do we not know this stuff? How do we miss this stuff? I don't even understand. And how do we keep having. thinking it's like a bad marriage like I said before somebody who is having a who has marital problems let's have a kid that'll solve the problem a lot of people do that and it's so stupid so let's add and let's add something that's very dependent on two people yeah who can't even depend on one another yeah and add that to the mix true it's dumb and dumber that That's all it is. I don't mean to be mean, but really it is. It's just like, it's so selfish.

It is so selfish. I cannot bear it. How about you think about somebody else and what other than yourself when what will make you happy momentarily versus what the long haul looks like for that poor innocent creature or being or human or whatever you? You know, like for me, I'm like, that's, they're going to. rely on you for the rest of your life and you're not reliable. I don't know. Call me crazy.

Fair assessment. I just don't get it, guys. I really, really don't get it. We're going to talk about that on Friday. We're going to get you all wired up again. That's the reason why with that Lindsay Clancy thingy, that's why I was like,

that's why I take, I literally am like, he's responsible. Now, I understand that he's a nice guy. Everybody says he's a nice guy and what, but there's some responsibility. I agree. Because even if he didn't do anything, he did do something, and that was not protect those kids from her. That's plain and simple.

I mean, literally, if you don't think she did it, you're crazy. Like, everybody says she did do it, including her. So you have to know. But did he, is there some suspicious things about him? Yes. Exactly. There's no, it's no difference in the Twin Towers. It's no different than Charlie Kirk, like we said.

It's all not right. But you know, the attorney is defending. Her attorney is saying he absolutely had nothing to do with this. The reasonable doubt, yes, but he's like, I'm going to, because they've asked him to defend it. I've heard him twice on two different talk shows. He literally has said he had nothing to do with the death of those two kids. And I say, okay, maybe you're right about that, but he did, dude. He did because he didn't protect them from.

her. So I disagree. Did he, did I make this up? But did he asked Trump to pardon her? Yes, he did. I heard that. Yes, he did. He's nuts, man. No, no, no. He thinks she should be pardoned. I mean, like, are you lost your mind? They're just running with this 15 minutes of fame. That's what they do. You have to. I mean, like, she does not deserve. Okay, I thought I saw that. I also heard that they juror the one that held out was a man of color and he was the only no no no there was two him and another guy and the man of color was the one that ended up there was three men okay a white guy two white guys a man of color and the man of color was in his 30s he ended up flipping and was and but that bothers people

women that are of color right because like they can't believe a man of color wouldn't have just immediately. Exactly. That bothers them. I'm like, why does it bother you? I just don't, I don't get, like, for me, I'm like, I applaud the guy. I mean, whether you agree with him or not, at least applaud him for standing up for what he believed in. Like, come on. Like, I think it's pretty, I think, even one of the jurors was like, he went through hell. Because he's like, everybody was against him. And he had, he literally had to stand up for. for himself for days. Yeah. I'm like, good for you. Good for you. I would hope that everybody sticks to their convictions like that. Come on.

That's the way it's supposed to be. We should not be so. Yes. Right. Yeah. True. But people, we've seen it. 2020 proves it. People get bullied all the time and then they just cave.

That season was, that proved to me that anybody, can get bullied into anything because the men that took those shots to keep their job. Or it's a travel. A travel. Cruise. You're never going to be able to cruise again. I know. The cruise was like the biggest thing.

I'm like, I know somebody who got vaccinated to go on a cruise. I was like, are you kidding? Come on. And then it was like two weeks later. They lifted it. I know.

I was like, what are you thinking? I know. And all these people that are getting like the back pay and all this stuff are not caving. And it was mostly women that I keep hearing stories about randomly. that are getting back pay? Mm-hmm. Good for them.

I know. But, but I mean, that's why I love the guy. I mean, I said it from the very beginning. I'm like, good for him. I, whether you agree with him or not.

And at the time, we didn't know everything. So even I was like, even if, even if she is innocent to some extent in this, like, good for him for standing up. Like,

because I know what it's like to be him. And so do you guys. We know what it's like to be him and to have everybody against you. I mean, you've got to do that in life. I don't care if people don't agree with you. You still have to stand up for what you believe in and never, ever cave to your convictions. Because you have to look in the mirror for the rest of your life. And, like, no, that if he would have caved, he would have to look at himself every single day and go,

I didn't do what I knew I should have done, whether or not he's right or wrong. You have to be comfortable in that. You got to stick with your conviction. You have to. No matter what. Even if you're wrong. Even if you are wrong. Because somebody even said to Tom when everything was going on with COVID, they're like,

what if you're wrong, though? And this person was on the other side and they were hook, line and sinker believing in. And he was like, what if you're wrong? And he was in my living room. And he was like, and this is somebody who we both really respected. And he was like, what if you're wrong about this? And Tom was like, if I'm wrong. I will say I'm wrong and I'll actually go on my podcast and say I'm wrong.

I was totally wrong about this and eat the whole entire thing and apologize. And he's like, you'll do that. And he's like, 100% I will do that. And he's like, well, we'll watch it play out. And you have to be willing to do that. Even if you're wrong, you've got to say in some of the, is that thunder? Holy moly. that's that that's when you know like

I mean nobody should make rash decisions on either side until they to like we're on the other side of like now we can hear everything so to have made your decision that she should go free you didn't hear all everything

you can only hear parts of it so for people to have made such strong stands and everything you don't know everything so how but now we do and don't base your opinion on your feelings and how you're feeling in the moment you literally have to separate that and then yeah if you're wrong then you got to eat it yeah you got to just be willing to be like

oopsie daisy oopsie daisy yeah okay we got 13 minutes we got a scenario okay what are you doing getting food what are you looking for over there you got her all stressed out snack she's trying to run away. Plain. Peanut. Go right and get her some in the snack room. Peanut. There's no peanut butter.

She needs her fix. Sorry. Right. Okay. Okay. What's the scenario now? I'm distrusting. Okay.

Someone, okay. I'm not going to even tell you what it is. I'm going to just read the scenario team. Because that's how I did them before. Okay. You're at work. or maybe even in ministry.

Okay. Okay. And you've worked hard. Okay. You've done right things and you've been faithful. Okay. You have integrity. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Then somebody else gets the promotion. So there's a promotion, an opportunity. So then somebody else gets the promotion, opportunity, recognition, position. position or influence you wanted. Okay? Okay.

And you know they weren't honest about how they got it. Ooh, there it is. They all right. That's the tough one. Okay. They took credit for somebody else's work. No, they did. They manipulated people.

They told half truths about you. Oh, gosh. It's getting bad. Shut up. And it gets more interesting. Okay. You have information that could expose them. about all of it.

So what do you do? Do you say something? Do you expose what they did? Do you defend yourself? Or do you say God knows the truth and you leave it alone? Hey. Vanessa, have you been in this situation before? Actually.

Have you been in this situation before? I have never been in this. I mean, I've never been in a situation where somebody lied about me on a job so that they get permission. Never. No, not to get promoted. Obviously, you have people take credit for some of your work, but like they sometimes people have thought they actually were a part of it. So, like, they were kind of innocent in it, I think. I've never had anybody back by me.

I never had anyone lie about me to get ahead. No. But I did have people lie about me. All the time. All the time, people lie. For a promotion. I've never had this happen to me before. I was like, I wonder what I would do.

This one's tough for me because work's not that important to me. Okay. I know that sounds terrible. If it's work related? Yeah. I don't care. I know. If it's ministry and we're part of a church together.

And I know something bad. Like I know that somebody's doing something really bad. Yes. Then I am compelled to go to my leadership. I would expose. I would expose to. Final answer. But work?

Yeah, but it's not about something you know. It's about you. So then read the end because you said that you have information that could expose them. About either in ministry that they did to you to get ahead or that causes harm towards you. So do you expose them? Can you give me an example of like what? I can't. Come on.

It didn't give me an example. It didn't give me an example. It didn't give me an example. So like, I would expose. That's a, that's a bad fruit. That is,

if it will, it will like spread like cancer. I will expose. 100% final answer. You know what though? If it's my business. Because then how could they can't actually overcome? Because it is the cancerous thing.

They're going to do it to me. They're going to do it to somebody else. I might first pray and ask God to expose it. And then. And if he doesn't, I might do it. I might expose. I don't think this is one I would sit back on. I know.

I'm sorry, Hope. I know you don't like my answer. But final answer. I'm sticking on my conviction. You just told me, go to the grave with it. Even if you're wrong. Oh, my God. But okay, but no, now tell us.

Not because I want to clear my name. I love my leadership and I love my church so much that I don't want this person to continue doing what they're doing. facts. And even if I was like, okay, this is what happened. They can stay and they can be promoted. But I want you to know this is what this happened. Do what you want with it. I don't care. But, and I would even question if I want to stay under that, like in that situation. Like, if I know somebody lied about me and they're going to be promoted, I don't even know if I would, I mean, you can't leave unless God tells you to leave if it's ministry. But I would be praying, God, am I even supposed to be here at this point? Yeah. You know, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. And I mean, I would pray about it and see if the Lord would have me to defend myself

His vengeance is mine say that the Lord and I will vindicate you. So you like I, I, on my job, it's never happened. But I do care about my job. I know. I know. Like I literally. I know. If I was working in the corporate world, like.

But you've done, see, like for me, maybe I just haven't been in a role. Like I've always been like at an internship. I was like a paraprofessional. Like I've never done anything where... I was a barista. That's what I mean. Like, I don't know if I've ever done anything like where I've been like this is this important, you know? Well, I wasn't important either.

Yes, you were. You were like, you did big things. To Israel. Literally. So what? I was a training specialist. She worked at a funeral. I'm not.

I just like, every place that I've ever worked, I care about my job. Even if, like, I was a barista. I was caring about being a barista. I love that. Hope, I love that about you. Sad to say, I'm very serious about everything. You are.

I'm going to be, like, the best barista. I know. I'm going to sell more coffees than anybody. Or I'm going to make more copies than anybody else. There's not an employee of the month, but she is it. She is it. I said there wasn't an employee of the month. but you were the, you printed your own thing and said, I'm the employee of the month.

I did the most. This girl, that's true. This girl, that's true. Okay. I would have prayed, Lord. Yeah. I'm not kidding you. If I worked for Starbucks, I'd be like, okay, Lord, let it be that I have favor and, like,

make it be that I stand out so I can, like, first of all, excel and be excellent in what I do. But then on top of that, then I can proclaim your name. Like, that's, I'm not kidding you. Right. So then you're the scenario. So that just happened. You said that to the Lord. And then somebody comes up and they're like, hope everybody's like hope's going to get she's going to be the top barista i've been like you're right she's going to get all those things and then this person comes up and there it starts spreading those lies about you and you overhear it and then your manager is like this other one's gaslighting the manager and then the manager is like i know i love jessica and i know hope's good but like i heard

a lot of bad things about her so i'm going to promote jessica what would you do i don't know that's the part of the problem i would have to pray about it and then the lord would have to direct me because i care a lot what would hope like in her 20's son I would have, it would have, God would not have been involved. Because in my early 20s, God was not involved. And I literally would have taken Jessica out behind Starbucks and beat her face. Oh yeah. Fire hoops.

Yeah, I literally would out. Sat on her like I did somebody else and just pound her face. Oh my gosh. And I would have felt pretty good about myself after I was done. I may have gotten fired. It would have been worth it. Yes, but it would have been worth it. And I would have loved every minute of it. Oh my gosh. 100%. That's so funny. Okay. I just, I don't know. Like, I care too much. But if God would have said, you know what, go and, you know, expose the truth. All day long, I would expose the truth. You love the truth. And I would like, I can't answer any of these questions without being like, I would 100% consult with the Holy Spirit. Like everything I do. Like everything I do, I consult with the whole. Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth. Right. So he would say it would definitely, he would say like, definitely expose this. Absolutely. Take matters into your own hands.

Right. Sit on her and punch her until she says sorry. He would have gone back to the Old Testament and told me that I could handle things like Old Testament. Old Testament. God. I'm for an eye. And that's totally okay. Absolutely. I don't know for like, I think that, um, I think that God does allow us in some ways. Like I have had to, like I've said, I've been like sued three times. I've won each time because I have my assets. Because you're your own attorney. I was my own attorney.

I know you were. I know. But my mom and I, like one of them never even went because as soon as we, I handed over all of the documents because my mom like taught me well. And she did too. But we took notes and we kept every thing that was. written out for years. Yeah.

Years. I mean, the one thing that saved me and the last lawsuit that I won was a check that I had it in my file and I had it in my folder for years and I kept wanting to throw it away. And that's all that I had of this one file was just this one check. And I thought about throwing it away so many times and I felt a check from the Holy Spirit every single time. And years later, it's the thing that I gave to the judge that's actually saved my butt. So I'm just saying, like, sometimes God's going to let you take care of things, right?

But then there's going to be times that, but keep record. I'm always like, keep good files. Keep good files. Because it'll save you. And then you have your guardian angels that send you that one piece of mail that you need to prove your entire case and you win. Is that what happened to you? Yeah. Was that?

Oh, wait a minute. Was that? I was back when our Google pages got shut down. And somebody mailed you like how your Google pages were getting stolen? No, that they were switching. So it was proof that the person's at the address that it was supposed to send to, but it got forwarded to us. By accident. On accident.

And it was supposed to go to them showing that they were going to be the new owners of our Google pages, which shut our entire company down. And we ended up winning and getting money for it. so sometimes yes you should definitely keep receipts oh yeah but also when you have the holy spirit sometimes he loves you and he's like you didn't do what hope told you to do you forgot to keep your check so yes i'm gonna help you out i'm gonna help you out i know so yeah but i'm telling you that one piece of paper man i can save your butt all day long you got to just trust god'll take care of it yeah oh my gosh uh let me see do i have scripture for this what does the Bible say. Let's hear it. That helps. Oh, but you know what? One of the things it said was

expose the wicked man from among you. It's my pastor says all the time. Expelled the wicked man. Is exposing wrong doing the same as getting revenge? I don't think so. No. Depends. It's the heart. It's the posture. Poster of your heart. 100%. If you're doing it because you are so mad that you didn't get the promotion. The intention, it matters. It matters. But the crazy part is if I expose, like, let's say like I was the bad person in the situation and I went to Hope and I like, I expose somebody. Let's say, how do I say this? So if I was like, Hope, I've got to tell you this. I got to expose this person. Like, they're so bad. You don't even realize it. Like, you're going to know, you're going to be able to tell with your discernment that I am doing it because I am doing it because I am doing it because I am doing it. I'm doing it. I don't know. Because it depends on what I, if I eat lunch or not sometimes. Oh my gosh. If I'm hungry and I'm like, I might just be like, you know, like, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know if you can always count on that person having the right discernment. No, I'm specifically talking about you. I don't know if you should count on me. I don't know if you should count on me. I mean, the right discernment. I thought six to ten people were going to sign up for the healing, divine healing class. I'm not going to see what we're at right now.

Okay, fine. I was completely wrong about that. You were very wrong. But you smell. No, you have a smeller and you can smell when somebody's coming to you to tell you something with the wrong heart posture. Wrong intention. Okay, if you say that one more time. I already said it on the phone earlier too.

I'm going to throw up. Gosh. She's going to start gagging. Yes. Let's look at scripture. Please. Because we only have three seconds left. Romans 1219 says, dear friends, never take revenge.

leave that to the righteous anger of God. And I'm telling you that has paid off for me more times. Same. Same. Than ever. Because he can do it. I say this all the time. He can do far worse to somebody than you could ever think of.

A hundred. Because he knows them inside and out. Now that doesn't mean he's going to destroy them. But he knows what can really bring them to their knees and make them think about what they did to you. So they don't do it again to somebody else. You'd never be able to do that. You don't know them like their inners.

Yeah. He knows. He knows. He knows. So you're going to think of a way that you think will be effective. He's going to think of a way that it's reaping and sewing, which is far better. Yeah. Okay, so that doesn't mean that you're not, that scripture doesn't mean that you're not allowed to, like, I don't want to say avenge, but it doesn't mean that you can't, you know, like, that rain is, that doesn't mean that you're not allowed to, like,

expose the truth or like make sure people know that you're not who this person thinks that you are to keep your integrity intact but ephesion 511 says take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness instead expose them so that's where we go back to let the holy spirit tell you what to do because it's far superior that the lord tells you what to do in each and every situation so Is there a difference between I'm exposing this because it's wrong and I'm exposing this because I want to destroy you? Right. There is.

That's where you check your heart, not your posture. You check your heart in the situation and you go, okay, what's the motive here? Yeah, right. Why do I do what I do? You did a great podcast probably like two years ago now. Why do I do what I do? Something like that. Yeah.

That was so, it was so good. It was so timely. And you ask yourself that. Why do I care? Why am I this upset? Why is it burdening me? Is it something to do with me? Or is it like, because it really is wrong.

Like, it's actually God's heart towards it as like, this is literally like evil. Like, this is not good. It's so true. And I'm telling you right now, if more people would pay attention to what is true, instead of allowing themselves to be delusional. If you really, really paid attention to why, or I should say, your motives behind a lot of the things that you do, if you really were honest, paid attention to your motives

and go back to being honest about them, you'd find out that you're probably not as great a person as you think you are. A lot of people believe a lie about themselves because they convinced themselves. No, no, no, I really did it because of this. The truth is, is if the Lord really shined a light on that situation and your heart in it, you'd be like. Right. So be honest because it matters. Because you can lie to yourself all day long, but God knows.

Right. And you think. You know. Yeah, you think it doesn't. Like, if you say it, if you say it a lot, then it'll be so. You can say it a lot to somebody else and they might believe that it is so. But God, you will never fool him. He is, you will not mock him. He is. He knows. So you might as well just expose yourself and be okay with it because that's the way it is. Absolutely. Okay, that's, I'm going to do scenario four and five, possibly next week. Not saying guaranteeing that, but I will say, listen, I'm being dead serious when I say this.

Today is a very, very powerful day for this country in that, like, let's not lose, I don't want to say sanctity, but, I mean, it was, it was a pretty, this country took a major loss and took a big hit on this day. 25 years ago, let's not forget about those lives. And those lives, and that those people, when they lost their lives, the lives that those people touched. Because they had families, they had children, they had friends. And we should never forget. I know that people say that all the time, but understand that that is not just a phrase.

That is actually mean something. We should never forget not one of those people you may not know them, but let's not forget that their life meant something. And to those especially that took the loss, you might not have been touched, but somebody was. And they'll never be the same potentially because of it. I mean, you move on in life, but like Vanessa still remembers where she was. So do I. A lot of people remember, like, different things.

things in history. Pearl Harbor Day. You can ask people who were alive at Pearl Harbor and they are like, they remember where they were at when they heard about it. And it's powerful. So we move on with life and we act like since it didn't affect us that, oh, whatever. No. Like it was the biggest loss this country on our soil has ever incurred, I think. I think it beat out Pearl Harbor even by a lot. Like, we lost between 3,000 and 5,000 people either on the planes

or, whether you believe there were planes or not, either on the planes or in those two buildings and the Pentagon. And, like, those souls should stand for something.

Absolutely. You know? Don't forget. That's all I can say. Because when we forget, we repeat history. And those people, those people

mean something. And we should treat it like that. It's more than patriotism. I mean, it's actual human life. So let's not forget about it. Because to me, every time September 11 comes around, I think about it days and sometimes weeks before it ever comes. And it moves me. Not because I'm so sad and so solemn. It moves me because I often think of the kids are the mom and the dad that lost somebody, you know? And then you add on that these people had friends, you know, they were young. Some of these people were so young. And their lives were robbed from them. And that means something. So let's not ever forget and let's never grow callous. And some people are like, oh, here we go again. Never be like that. Never grow so callous and so hard-hearted.

that someone's life means nothing to you, and just in general. So that's it. I will see you later. Peace out. See you Wednesday. Bye.