The Hope Hotline - Is Judas In Hell | S02-E25| 04-26-2024

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

The Hope Hotline | S02-E25| 04-26-2024

Real Talk. Real Talk. Real Talk. Real Talk. Hello and welcome to the Hope Hotline. It is Friday. I was trying to put my in-ears in and you caught me. Because I totally forgot about it. Thank you, Talia, for reminding me.

That was Heather. Oh, thank you, Heather, for reminding me. You're welcome. I'm going to wait until Heather does her little spiel and then I'll put my in-ears in because otherwise I can't hear a daggum word any of them are saying over there. Except for Sarah. Because she has no computer in front of her. How you guys doing today? Life is good. I have no hat on people. I just have bangs. Great looking. No hat. I'm so happy not to be wearing a hat but I'm looking at it but I do have bangs and I'm almost over it. I'm almost through the bruising process. We're moving on past that.

We're going into tonight. Listen, ladies, if you're a lady, I'm almost willing to let guys who identify as women come tonight. Now, Heather says no, you can't come. No. We can deliver them, though. We can get them delivered. Well, I can deliver you while you're here, but that might be a wild process.

We might not need to do that. But tonight, like, I'm super excited about tonight. It's going to be a good, good night. We got some nice little treats, hors d'oeuvres for people. Show up at 6.30, get some food. Then at 7, we're going to start, and we should be done right around 9.30, get some food. Then at 7, we're going to start and we should be done right around 9.30, 10 o'clock. Maybe

not. We'll be done probably by 8, 8.30 tops. I was like, really? Heather's like, this is already a long day for me. 9.30, 10 o'clock. Heather's pumpkin will arrive and her coach will be taking her away.

I'll just be in my couch on my office. Yeah, she'll be asleep. Yeah. Yeah, so seriously, it'll probably be done between 8 and 8.30. But it's good. I mean, God gave me a really good word for everybody and I'm super excited about it. And it's something that, you know, it's like people who write songs. They usually write a song about either an experience that they've walked through or an experience they are walking through.

And so for me, what I'm going to be speaking on are the things that I'm walking through or coming to the other side of but deeper revelation of so I think everybody will when when I talk about it they'll be like oh I know what you're talking about and I'm doing the same thing but to the degree of all of us and where we're at in it it differs because some of us are just new on our walk some of us not taking our walk seriously or some of us are like, we are like digging deep, right? And you can't stop us. There ain't no stopping us. So we're just on a fast track to whatever God has for us.

So this message will reach wherever you're at, and I think that's exciting. And if you're brand new, it will probably bring some truth to you and it'll bring some hope. So that's a good thing. Heather, do you, so you'll talk about that again, dare to be. But please, please, please, ladies, do whatever you can. We do have childcare. So if your husbands refuse to watch the children, we get it. Bring them on to church.

We have childcare. So go ahead, girl. All right. So we're going to start out. We are still banned from YouTube currently with a strike. So you're not able. Thank you, Natalie. You're not able to watch on YouTube at the moment, but you can follow on Facebook. We want you to like and share and comment. Also, our number one pick is Rumble. So if you're not on Rumble, go ahead and create an account, switch over. If you watch it later, we'd love to know.

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And then if they're over 12, can they come in? 13 and up? If they're a girl. Well, right. OK. That might be a problem if they're, because some people might bring their kids and their kids ain't boys. So only if they're girls they can attend. Yes.

All right. I'm glad we clarified. Yeah. And then next we have save the date for the Beloved Conference, August 22nd through the 24th. We have things coming together for that behind the scenes. So that's super exciting. And that's pretty much it on my end. Awesome. And I didn't tell anybody this because I just thought of this, I think it was last night. So there will be a door prize. We are going to raffle off, and it's going to be the Perrystone New Testament and Old Testament tonight.

So if you do not have that, well, I guess anybody can wear it. I mean, Sarah's got one. Heather's got one. Talia, you got one? Oh, girl. Tonight might be your night. Oh, you're not coming. You're out of one. Heather's got one. Talia, you got one? Oh, girl. Tonight might be your night. Oh, you're not coming. You're out of town.

That's right. You're leaving after this. If I win, you can have mine. Yeah. Okay. Even if you have one, you can still win one. That's right. So come because that's a phenomenal.

People are asking if they can watch it online. Nope. I'm sorry. We don't have that just yet. I really feel bad about that because could we record it and then post it to black robe that way it's not live but then okay that is an errant question because i i do feel bad about that because that's one of the things that that i'm going to be working on yeah uh i'm going to be working on. I'm going to be working on some other stuff

so that it's a full service. But it's a slow, progressive move. Everything for us isn't overnight because we're such a small staff. And we have lots of volunteers, but I just don't know about that one. That's pulling a lot of people. And to learn how to run a camera yeah but then you're

running the camera but who's running the back end of that sucker because the problem is is there we don't know i don't want sarah to have to do it because sarah already does that that's the reason why she does it on sundays she's one of the people problem is with that is then they miss yeah no i get it and i don't want that I get it I agree you know so I got to figure it out but it's one of the things just so you know I am working on that and then it is my goal for my next one it's that and something else that I have because I wanted it to be for this time but it just I couldn't I couldn't figure out how to make it work for myself so that's that what else anybody else got any questions i don't all right well we do have questions we just don't have questions in the room okay seriously though plan to be here tonight

we got it'll be a great time great time to fellowship with each other, eating and then spending some time together learning. So let's go to the first question. Hi, I've been wondering about this for a bit, and I would like to get your opinion on it and see what you think. And the Peanut Gallery, of course, love you all. Well, we love you too, even though I don't know you at all, probably. Or maybe. Or maybe I know you. If I know you, I can tell you I love you too even though I don't know you at all probably or maybe or maybe I know you

if I know you I can tell you I love you if I don't know you well I love you in Jesus in Jesus name I love you we have to love each other it doesn't matter we don't have to like each other but God says we are to love one another so I can't promise you I like you but I can promise you I love you. That's all I'm going to give you. That's it. Oh, and by the way, okay, since that wasn't the question, I'm going to interrupt this. You know what? Before I forget, Heather, you killed it for the last two weeks. Thank you, thank you, thank you for stepping up and filling in for Tracy because I can promise you like if Tracy's not here because you were always supposed to be like Tracy's spot kind of thing no you were you're

gonna you were gonna be somebody that I always had that I always talked to remember I was gonna have you yeah I weaseled my way you weaseled your way out of it yes that's true but i'm just saying in the beginning when i started this yes yes and you've done one heck of a job and you always step up to the plate no matter what is asked whatever you need always so for me if i can't have tracy if i can't have you can't have tracy nobody baby that's right i'll take heather and heather you killed it thank you so much because uh two weeks without tracy is pretty tough but you made it pretty dang easy and you did a great job so i really appreciate that so god bless give her the give her give her some uh clapahoonies and some praise aroonies on the uh comment section all right let's go. That's right. Okay, so Judas, is he in hell? I've thought about it. I

think I've answered this question before, to be honest with you. I've thought about it and asked around. There are a bunch of signs that says he is. One, he killed himself, and two, he betrayed Jesus and was deceitful and greedy, but before he killed himself, he had a little bit of regret. In Matthew 27, 3-5, it says, Then Judas, his betrayer, seeing that he had been condemned, was remorseful and brought back the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, I have sinned by betraying innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? You see to it. it whatever then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed and went and hanged himself so was he sorry however it doesn't say he repented so would that mean that he is in heaven because he was sorry and then again he was also he was

also a disciple but it also doesn't say anything about his last moments it doesn't say anything about his last moments and you know't say anything about his last moments. And you know what? When I looked up this question, because I was curious, like what do people say? Some of these questions, like when I do the research, I'll do research like what is the consensus of people's thoughts behind this? And do you know this is one of the most common questions that Christian asks? Really?

Yes. Interesting. I know. I was shocked. I was like, you've got to, which I know I answered this question before and I didn't look it up like how I looked it up this time. So because then I would have, but yeah,

it says this is one of the most common questions that Christians ask, is Judas in heaven or is he in hell? Which I find super interesting that people want to know that. And I would love to know the reason they want to know that. Right. Because there's, for me, I can think of like two to three different reasons why somebody would want to know that. One being he was a disciple.

And if he was a disciple, that means that he was most likely saved at one time, even though he ended up stealing. So there are some that believe he was saved and then he lost his salvation. So some will say that proves the fact that you cannot be eternally secure. That's one thought behind it. Number two is people who know somebody who committed suicide. And they want to know, and their thoughts behind it, whether or not because he was a disciple, would he be able to go to heaven?

Does that make sense? Yes. Yes. Yes. So their hope is maybe if he did commit suicide and he is in heaven, maybe their loved one might be as well. Right. Does that make sense? Yeah. And then I just think the other, the third reason is, is probably like this young lady's is she's just curious. Right. One way or the other. But those are the only reasons I can think of. Can you think of any other reason why somebody would want to know whether because for me i never ever ever thought was judas i didn't care

yeah yeah i'm with you there i am too it didn't matter to me but your reasonings are i think what people think of yeah because they're looking for. Answers. Answers. And maybe even. Hope. Hoping that, yeah. Hey, we literally just said the same thing at the same time.

That, you know, that what they don't want to believe, they're trying to look for reasons that it may or may not be true. Or validates their doctrine. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Ouchie. Yeah. So for me, I just can't but I mean

it's interesting you know have you guys ever thought about it either tell you did you ever because you're younger so you never thought about either it's interesting I mean I I bet you this person probably is I'm just curious but there are like I said others so I'm gonna tell you for me like you said he was a thief and he was greedy so he was already not saved he was already in bit he's in bad shape he's a bad seed right first Corinthians 6 9 through 10 and this is the new living translation and I like to tell you oh yeah and Heather put it up there too. I think Tracy does too as well. I always like people to know where I'm reading from. The reason is if they read a different version

or if they want to know what that version is because they're trying to find it, then they don't have to hunt and peck and find it. So this is New Living Translation. I love New Living Translation because it's so easy to read, but you do not lose any, you lose nothing with it. So don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin or who worship idols or commit adultery or are male prostitutes or practice homosexuality or are male prostitutes or practice homosexuality or are thieves or greedy, which he was both, people are drunkards or are abusive or cheat people. None of these will inherit the kingdom of heaven. So for me, he ain't in heaven.

Like he was all of those things, right? Then Luke 16, 13 says, New Living Translation, no one can serve two masters for you will hate the one and love the other. You will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and be enslaved to money. He was, he was enslaved to money because he was a thief. Okay. Now you will say, well, you, nobody knows what he did in his dying breath. I agree with that to a certain extent, but we're going to keep going. Okay? So on the whole, most people who live like that, and then some, which is what he did,

the chances of them calling out to God in the moment, they're so far from God, that's not their thought process. I will tell you, when I walked away from the Lord, I was so deep and embedded in sin. If I had been hit by a truck and there was a little life left in me, I would not have been asking God. It would not have been a blip on the screen for me. And this is coming from a girl who grew up in church all her life. So it's not one of those things i mean heather you got saved young so i this one really won't count for you because i mean you you never grew up in a christian home so you didn't really know any better and then when you got saved you pretty much stuck with it right So that doesn't count. Talia's pretty much only known. Sarah, you've

had my life still a little bit. If for some reason a freak of nature happened and your life was being cut short, would you have thought to say to the Lord? There were times when I did cry out to God. Because I still prayed. I still even out to God. Yeah. Because I still like prayed. I still even like tried to read my Bible. I just didn't have the fear of the Lord. And I didn't have an understanding of his holiness.

And so I thought like, this is my lifeline here. If something's wrong. Like I had, I used to have sleep paralysis, which some people say is like demonic. Where had i used to have um sleep paralysis which some people say is like demonic where there was like sleep paralysis well you're like a half asleep half a week but like i was like pulled off of my bed onto the floor and like that's freaky wow and we'll see like figures yeah and i have never heard of this before And I would just literally in my mind, like, say, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, because I couldn't talk like you.

You can't talk. So, yeah, that's I definitely if I was ever in trouble and I got myself into some troubling situations, I cried out to God. But I think that's rare. I think typically people. That's not normal because most people... You weren't saved and yet you were trying to read your Bible. I mean, your lifestyle

was definitely not a Christian's lifestyle. Did you think you were saved though? Oh, yeah. But that's what this goes back to. There are people walking the broad road thinking they're getting through that narrow gate and they absolutely are not.

And she is a perfect example of that and that is that is what bothers me about these churches that are preaching preaching weak gospels like she said she didn't even know the fear of the lord no one ever taught her that right and she was reading her bible and praying but full of sin devotions and stuff but when you're full of sin the Yeah, like do devotions and stuff. But when you are full of sin, the revelation knowledge, there is a division. There's a divide between you and the Lord. And there's no communion. So she was never going to hear, even though she's reading it, there was no revelation there because she had a blockage.

And the enemy couldn't be happier. Yeah. Right. Because that's right. He wants you to think that you're saved and you're living great. Spirit of confusion. Yet you're headed straight for hell. Oh, yeah.

That's the best thing since sliced bread, which is what a lot of, there are so many lukewarm believers out there. Whole churches. And he's got them. Yeah. And he's got them right where he wants them. But that's interesting. You would have actually asked the lord to forgive you because

i never would even thought about it well and the christianity that i was raised with was that of convenience it was like god is there to help you god loves you no matter what you do oh yeah that wasn't mine both are both are true and you know god does love you and he does want to help you grace does not cover a multitude of sins which is what is so i still and i still struggle with that i still am like there's still something that i'm like oh i feel like i'm back now and it's not because of me like it's because he loved me first yes that I was able to come back into you know right relationship but um yeah that's something that is that's tough for a lot of people because they

don't and I think we also and we talked about it on Wednesday a little bit there's too much focus on where we lack and not enough focus on like what he did to remedy that. Because once we start to see that, then we want to act right. We want to, but the problem is, we want to act right. A lot of people don't even know that they're not acting righteous.

Right. So you have to, that's the thing. It's like, um, it's like when you raise your child, you're not praising, praising, praising, praising, praising. You're correcting, correcting, correcting.

Then you're praising, praising, praising. That's how that works. You correct, you praise. You correct, you praise. Because the thing is, is they won't even know what they're doing wrong if you don't do the correction. And as a teacher, I can tell you

that that's what a lot of these kids are used to in their homes is just praise. That's's right and when you give them boundaries and you give them correction at first they don't like that but then they crave it they're like wait a minute this this they they recognize it as love because that is love well and because it becomes stability they know that they're going to get the same reaction each time. And it's safe, too. Always. Always. That's why you have to know the boundaries. But nobody teaches the boundaries.

And then once you start walking in those boundaries, that's when the Lord starts going, Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and all these things will be added unto you. When you seek after his righteousness, he starts adding. But he ain't going to add when you're living like the world and nobody teaches the boundaries. So those who love me obey my commandments. Okay. There are clear guidelines. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. We don't teach those things anymore. We teach a lot of grace that covers a multitude of sins. But at what point does the sin stop and the grace abound because of the righteous lifestyle?

You know what I'm saying? And I don't see it. So there are a lot more people. Like for me, I was taught. My dad, I grew up in a very strong biblical home where it is be hot or cold, be one or the other. So when I decided to live like the world, I stopped going to church. I did not play like I was somebody that I wasn't because I knew that was dangerous. So I just lived. I was a hellion and I was so far into sin that I don't think I would have even thought to say, Lord, please forgive me. I don't

know if I could have because I was that far. So. But at one point you got to that place where you were like, OK, I'm coming back. But that's because he drew me in. Right. And my family was praying for me. And then they put themselves in positions where the way they handled me was very much like Jesus, right? Right. So, but they didn't enable and they didn't condone bad behavior. Not at all. Like they were not, like if I wanted to go and do something that I knew would not be allowed, I definitely did not do it in or around or near any of them. It would not have been allowed and I would have heard it. So I was like, okay, well, I want to be around you people because I feel like there's something that I like and maybe I want.

But even then I didn't know it was Jesus. I just knew that I loved them and I wanted that relationship back, but it was all Jesus and the Holy Spirit the whole entire time. But I also knew I was not going to get a lot. There would be no condoning and there would be no enabling bad behavior. So, and that's where I think a lot of people go wrong too, because they're like, take me back as I am. No, it don't work like that.

And pretend like nothing ever happened. Doesn't work like that and pretend like nothing ever happened doesn't work like that no it's not healthy that is not it is not a healthy uh way of healing or restoration so even with jesus i mean he tells you you have to repent like he's not going to take you as you are you got to repent and then you got to start changing like and a lot of people want to repent and not change and that's not how it works well that's not even repentance it's not but they think it is yeah it's not but they think it is yeah i'm sorry and then go back and do it again is not repentance correct repentance is like turning the other way and moving in that direction. Exactly. And not looking back. Right. When I, and what you just said, Heather, is exactly right. Because when I decided to get

my life right with God, I like, it was a serious decision. And I knew like, if I do this, there's no turning back. Like I can't have one foot in the world, still hang around the people that I was hanging around with and just still try and be a Christian and go after having a holy lifestyle, being like Jesus. Because we are to be like Jesus. And so I knew once I like verbally said okay I'm going to I'm going to be saved I'm going to get my life right with God I'm going to be a

Christian I knew I had to leave every single person behind because it was not possible for me to hang on to one of them right so I had to move I had to do it like I had to leave one of the best jobs I've ever had in my whole entire life I loved that job but those people were not good for me and he'd kill her money for a 23 year old like it was insane the money I made but kill her money great job lots of perks had great friends and I was friends very worldly friends but they were very sweet with me you know they were good to me because i they were i just i had a variety of different kind of kind of friends but i knew there ain't no way so when you make that decision you better be you better be willing to cut the cord on every single thing that doesn't you know that is unequally yoked with the Lord.

And a lot of people aren't. They don't want to cut the cord. They want to be unequally yoked and still have Jesus. It doesn't work like that. Well, and they try to convince themselves that they can. Oh, I can still be friends with that person, and I can still be around that, and I can still go hang out at that restaurant.

No, you can't. No, you can't. You've got to change your lifestyle. It's just like, it's just like Sarah said, repentance is the opposite direction of whatever your head, way you were headed. And I would have stayed going in the same direction all the while pretending that I was somebody different and I would, it wouldn't have ever happened. So you just got to be willing to do for him. It's like she, like Sarah was saying, you, you want to please the Lord. You want to, to walk in that. So you better be really serious about it because you really want to please the Lord.

You love him that much that no matter what, you're going to do whatever it takes. Like I didn't cross the line with Tom when we dated for three years. We didn't cross the line. And the reason we didn't is because I love Jesus so much that I could not bear to break his heart. And I knew that would tear him apart if I sinned like that. And now when I mean like would have torn apart, yeah, because I would have been saying what you did on the cross for me

was just not enough. So I love him more than what you did for me on that cross. So that sin is far more important than that redemption that you provided for me. And I don't think people think about it like that. Sin is that serious. You throw back everything he did for you as if it was worthless. It's nothing. It means nothing.

No one has suffered. No one has died. No one has given so much for people as he did. And he's so deserving of everything. So let's keep going because I just went off track big time, but that was good stuff, girls. So you can't serve God and money. And a lot of people try to do both, but it doesn't work. John 13, 27 says, when Jesus had eaten the bread, Satan entered into him and then Jesus told him, hurry and do what you're going to do. So let me just go. I know that this is, uh, everybody that our church is aligned with, like churches that we're aligned with, they all believe as we do. But there's a lot of churches out there or there's a lot of people who believe otherwise.

But a Christian cannot be possessed. OK, it's not possible. It's scripturally not even possible. OK, for Satan to enter into Judas, which he did. Satan would have had to not be saved. The Holy Spirit and Satan can't dwell together. A demon and the Holy Spirit cannot dwell together. A house divided cannot stand.

It's not possible. Can you be oppressed? 100%. But you cannot be possessed. And here's the scripture. 1 John 5, 18 through 19. We know that whoever is born of God does not sin, but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one. So let's see. The last one I'm going to tell you is if, um, there's no real scripture that says that if you commit suicide, that you die and go to hell. There is no real scripture. Um, that says, I mean, it says your body is the temple of the Lord and the Lord gets to, you know, count your days. He's the one that decides as far as how long you'll live. Okay. It does not say if you take your life, you'll go to hell. But Exodus 20, 13 says you shall not murder. And when

you take your life, that's self-murder. Okay. So that's taking your own life, self-murder, just like if you took somebody else's life, that's a sin, you'll go to hell for it. Okay. If you don't repent, self-murder is the same. Now I will tell you, do I believe there are people who have tried to commit suicide and there is a time frame before their life is totally, their last breath is taken from them and they still have a heartbeat and they ask the Lord to forgive them, I think that, yeah, God does forgive them because I think God's fighting for us up to our last breath. And if your life isn't taken immediately and you have the revelation of, oh my gosh, what did I just do? And you truly repent.

Yeah, I believe. I do 100% believe that you can be saved. Do I believe that Judas did that? No, I don't believe Judas did that. Revelations 21, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. So I definitely believe Judas is in hell. And I want to tell you one thing.

Now, there are people that will sit there and say, oh, I'm going to hit back on the demon-possessed. Okay, there are people who will go, I know a Christian that is demon-possessed or has been demon possessed. And I would have to say, I would have to, there's a lot of people that call themselves Christians that are not saved, but they call themselves Christians because they go to the Ark Church down the street and they did a fresh start in the beginning and their lifestyle reflects nothing of a Christian, or if it does, it's like barely, and they have so much sin that the barely doesn't override the sin.

And so for me, just because someone says they're a Christian and they're demon-possessed, that means absolutely nothing to me. Nothing, because a lot of people say they're Christians. Narrow is the way, few there be that find it. So I would bet you my bottom dollar, okay, that they're on the broad road thinking that they're on the narrow, going through the narrow gate. Does anybody want to add to any of that about Judas,

about anything that I said? I don't have anything. I agree with you on everything that you've said. Definitely that with even what you just mentioned, that you can be oppressed, but you can't dwell in the same place. The light. They don't coexist. No, you can't have darkness and light in the same. I mean, why would the Holy Spirit dwell with a demon? It doesn't happen. And it's clear about a house divided cannot stand.

It does not go together. It doesn't. And you'll have people that have these theories and theologies that make absolutely no sense. But that scripture right there should toss out all that mumbo jumbo that they believe. Because why would the Holy Spirit who dwells in you allow for that?

He won't even stay where a demon is. And it says for us as believers that all we have to do is resist the devil and he will flee. So as a believer, but I've, listen, I've had, I heard a very fascinating story. Kenneth Hagin tells a story about a Sunday school teacher, a husband who was a deacon. His wife was a Sunday school teacher. She went crazy. She ended up going cuckoo. She ended up having all these voices in her head. She was demon possessed.

Now, he never said that she was saved anymore. He did not claim that she was saved or anything. But the husband was mad because he took his wife to Oral Roberts, a tent meeting, a revival meeting, and he wanted her to be delivered. And Oral Roberts couldn't deliver her. Then they took her to another big name and i can't remember who it was and they couldn't deliver her and kenneth hagan the holy spirit was very the holy spirit said to to the husband we're going to go into the pastor's office and we're

not going to do this out in front of everybody but because i want to talk to you about is in private so he takes them because everybody knew this couple, right? So they take the, they take, Kenneth Hagin takes them into the pastor's office, tells them everything I just told you. You've gone to Oral Roberts. You've gone to this guy. You're very angry with them.

They weren't able to deliver her. And, you know, your anger is towards them versus what's going on with your wife. And your wife is about to be put into the mental institution again on Monday. Right. He's like, everything you just said is absolutely true. Cause Kenneth Hagan says,

stop me if I'm wrong. He's like, everything you just said is actually factually true. Now, Kenneth Hagan knew none of that. That was the Holy spirit telling him, he said, here's the problem.

I could, I could pray and try and have your wife delivered, but it's not going to work. Then you'll be mad at me. You're right, Heather. He said to the wife, you invited these voices into your head and you don't want them to leave.

You like them. And she was like, you're right. I do. And he said to the man, as long as she wants them, she will have them. And she was like, you're right. I do. And he said to the man, as long as she wants them, she will have them and she will stay in that mental institution. That's what people don't understand. It's like people with healing. I have prayed for people to be healed secretly behind the scenes. They will tell me privately, I'm ready to go home. The rest of the family believes that they're standing in faith

and fighting the good fight of faith. And in all actuality, it's not that they gave up. It's just they didn't want to fight. They've come to terms with, you know what? Earth, heaven, I'm going. I mean, heaven sounds good to me. That's where they were at. And if you tell that family, they had doubt and unbelief that they didn't want to fight anymore. They get mad at you

and they say, no, you don't know. And I'm like, and I never say anything anymore. Yeah. Well, actually I will be honest with you. I've never said it. I've never, unless somebody's asked me privately, like, do you know something that we don't know? Which I have been asked. I'm like, yeah, I sure do. That brought relief to some of them, but it would have ticked off others.

Nobody knows the heart of man. Nobody knows. They think they know. Even your own children, your spouse, your aunt, your grandmother, you don't know the heart. You don't know when they've given up, when they've conceded, when they've invited things in that they shouldn't have, and they have allowed. They're not saved. When you allow a demonic possession, they do not coexist.

Evil and purity do not coexist. Evil and purity do not coexist. They can't. The Bible is clear about that. But yeah, nobody knows the heart of man except for that man. Nobody knows what's going on and what they're saying privately to the Lord. Nobody. And for us to think that we do, we're crazy. It's just like I say, somebody who's committed suicide and had moments of maybe clarity and knowing what they've done. And it's truly remorseful. We don't know that God didn't forgive them. Who are we? Who are we? We don't know. He judges the heart. He knows it. So for us to say anybody who's committed suicide and didn't die instantaneously, it's not for us to say whether or not where they're at. For me, I take great peace in knowing and comfort in knowing I might see

potentially friends, loved ones. You just don't know. So next question. What happens when a Christian dies? Do we go straight to heaven or do we rest until Jesus returns? I was always taught that we go to heaven or hell right after death, but some scriptures seem to say otherwise. Either way, I'm just happy to be with the Lord whenever he calls me home,

even if I have to rest a bit. But what are your thoughts on this? Now, ladies, she gave, I know this was a she. I do know that. I don't know how I know that was a she. Well, I might not. This might not be a she. I might want to take this one back because I got a whole bunch of questions. I might be wrong on that. So if this is really from a guy, my apologies. Gave me a list of scriptures and I did grab like three or four of them. It might have been two. I don't know.

One, two, three, four, five. I did. I did a little bit more. So, ladies, what is your thought process on it? Do you go straight to heaven, hell, or do you go or do you rest? My thought process has always been to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. But I haven't seen other scriptures that would sway me otherwise. I mean, I have read other scriptures.

Like when she would, I say she, sorry if this is a guy. When this person, I know of scriptures. So some of this I was like but there are plenty there are scriptures that clearly say exactly like what you just said um Heather yeah I've always assumed I mean in my head as I think about it now is you die you're at the gates ready to go in. Like he's there waiting. Tao. Yeah, same for me. Same for you. Okay. Same for me.

I think you go to a straight one or the other. That's my opinion. So we agree with you, guy or girl. Daniel 12, 2 says, And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some thought process on the people who rest are people who died before Jesus was crucified. I probably should have prefaced that at the very beginning.

But because when he rose from the dead, the dead came out of the graves. So we know that there are people who rested. But I think what happened is, in my opinion, is that when Jesus resurrected, just like the old covenant died, the new covenant started, and that's where we are redeemed and we go and be with him. Because he was resurrected, we are resurrected, right?

Yeah. In Christ. But I think if you were before that, because he was resurrected, we are resurrected, right? Yeah. In Christ. But I think if you are before that, I do believe that you are resting. And there are scriptures that we're going to read. Okay, 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 through 17. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel,

and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. And then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. But you also have to remember you have your soul and you have your body. So maybe your body is resting, but your soul is in heaven. We don't know, right?

It's John 5, 28 through 29. Do not marvel at this for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear his voice and come forth. Those who have done good to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation. Okay, now here's the scriptures that say opposite.

Ecclesiastes 12, 7 says, Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. Which is very similar to what Sarah just said. That's why I said to Sarah, there are other scriptures that confirm what she says. Luke 16, 19 through 31 says, There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple. Now, this is a parable that Jesus told, okay? But even still, he wouldn't have told the parable if there wasn't truth to it, okay?

There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, the dogs came and licked his sore. So it was that the beggar died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. Now, Abraham can't be in heaven, or he can't be resting if he's in heaven, which goes against what I also just said that before Jesus.

So none of us know. But in my mind, that's how I see it. OK, I don't know, though. I just believe that we go to heaven. That's all I'm going to tell you. The rich man also died and was buried and being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. And besides all this, comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this between us and you, there is a great gulf fixed so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot,

nor can those from there pass to us. And then he said, so that's one of the rough things I think about heaven and hell is because I think in hell people can actually see us in heaven. And I think that's going to be rough. Rough. Then he said, I beg you, therefore, Father, that you would send him to my father's house,

for I have five brothers that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment. Abraham said to him, they have Moses and the prophets. Let them hear them. And he said, no, Father Abraham, but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent. But he said to them, Father Abraham, but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent. But he said to them, if they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rise from the dead. And that is absolutely true. That is absolutely true.

Nothing's going to change somebody except for them wanting to change, not like an experience like that. You have to want to, it's not, it doesn't work like that. Luke 20, so for me, that says Abraham and Lazarus went to heaven, and the rich man went to hell. So for me, why would Jesus give that parable if that wasn't the case? Girls? Opinion? It's a parable, I know know but his parables were always true they were always about what was actually factual he always talked about sewing like guard like agricultural things because that's what they knew of the day he whatever he did he talked about

fishing he used all the things that were familiar familiar to them because they were a simple people. So he used what they understood. But Sarah, because you made a face like, I don't know. What do you think? I am perplexed. By all those scriptures that I just read to you? Well, I've studied some of this out before and never really gotten like a clear understanding but so if jesus hadn't died yet and come back then he's talking about abraham's bosom so if people couldn't go

to heaven and hell before jesus then i know that's why I might be wrong about that. Yeah. That's why I said, I might be wrong. I don't know. Abraham's bosom is that... I always thought of it as a place. Abraham's bosom, I believe, is his chest. Yeah. Right? So, I don't know. I would have to study that out in the original, like, look back at the

Greek and... I've read up on this before because we had somebody at the church that um many many many many years ago wonderful guy and that was one of his big things he's like we don't go to heaven we rest we rest before we go to heaven and he would always ask tom he's like what do you think about that and tom's like i don't care right I don't care about it he's like if I rest okay if I go to heaven okay either way I'm going to heaven but it doesn't matter to me like he was a wonderful man but he had sin in his life like that he should have been he should have been more

worried about whether he's going to heaven period because his lifestyle was not was he had little had a lifestyle sin and he was a really nice man but he had a problem with the ladies so i was like i was they had a problem with the ladies yeah because he was a very nice man. So for Tom, Tom is always like, worry less about that and worry more about lifestyle. Because Tom's like, I don't care about that. Like, what is your lifestyle? You should be worried less about resting and are you going to heaven? Or winning souls. Well, he couldn't have won souls.

He needed to win himself first. That's the problem. So then there's Luke 23, 42 through 43. It says, then he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom. And this is what Jesus said when he was on the cross with the thief. Remember? And Jesus said to him, assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise. Right. Remember? Hello. That does the resting part right out the door.

Right. Philippians 121 through 23 says, for me to live as Christ and to die as gain. But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit for my labor. Yet what I shall choose, I cannot tell. For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart to be with Christ, which is far better. So that was Paul. He knew when he died, he was deal with Christ. But he also went and had an experience in the third heaven.

Or some believe he did. So, I don't know. Like I said, I lean, I lean. And here's one of the other reasons I lean this way. It's because lots of people have had death experiences, right? And when they had death experiences, some went to hell and some went to heaven. And Kenneth Hagin, I'm a big, you know, you guys listen. Sorry, but I listened to the man like, I don't know how many hours a day. Kenneth Hagin talks about how there was a doctor who did a study.

He had many patients die on the table. He was a cardiologist. He had patients die on the table. And he said he knew where people were going. He would literally, they learned that the ones that were dying would die with peace. And their faces, he said you could just tell on their faces who was going to heaven and who was going to hell. And he said they would call, you know, you would call people back. You would try and bring them back to life. That was one of the things, you know, everybody tries to, when somebody's dying, they're trying to bring them

back to life. So you're calling their name. And the ones that had the peaceful look on their face, if they came back, they're like, why did you call me back? I was in heaven. And then he's like, there would be people that they were calling back and they were screaming, screaming. This doctor said it got him his life right with God. He grew up as a Christian. And then after experiencing this so many times, he got his life right with God again. Because he would have these people screaming and writhing in pain and begging when they would come back, please don't make me go back there, please don't make me go back.

They had gone to hell. That sounds pretty instant. And they did a study. And Kenneth Hagin was actually in the study because Kenneth Hagin actually died and he went to hell. And he knew he had to get his life right because he had walked away. He got saved when he was nine. He walked away. He took his walk for granted. He walked away from God. And then he got deathly ill and he went to hell. And that's one of the reasons why this doctor wanted to talk to him about it,

because he was like, I want to know. So for me, I listened to those experiences and I go, I think you go, I lean more you go to one or the other. That's my take. Ladies? I agree. Especially after that story that you just told. About Kenneth Hagin? About the people that

Oh, about the doctor? Yeah, the doctor and the cardiologist. That's like instant. You're screaming. You die. They bring you back. Literally, people will be begging him, Yeah. Because that's like instant. You're screaming. You die. They bring you back. Please. And he literally, people will be begging him, please, please don't keep me alive. Don't make me go back. Yeah.

Yeah. So for me, I'm like, I don't know. Tal, what do you think? I don't know. I think that you go right there. I mean, when Jesse Duplantis went. Yeah, I know. I think about him too.

He talks about Abraham's bosom. Okay, what did he say about Abraham's bosom? Because I can't remember that exactly. Wasn't it the place where the kids were singing? I can't remember. Hold on. I just watched it today. I just rewatched it.

Huh. When the kids were standing on the podium. I know he talks about it. And they're like, pick me, pick me, pick me, correct? Something like that, yeah. Because he knew us before he formed us in the womb. And there are children that are saying, pick me, because they want to go. It was all of the children that the world didn't want.

That's what he said. Oh, I don't remember that part. I do, vaguely. Like the abortion, Children from abortion? Yeah. Interesting. Huh. I just re-watched it today.

I've watched that several times, too. It's such, oh man, it's so powerful. Jesse Duplantis, When He Goes to Heaven. Everybody needs to watch that. Yeah. It was so powerful. You lean more that way too just because of Jessie? Yeah.

Sarah, you're perplexed. It's all over her face. Listen, I get it. When I did this question and I studied it out, I was like, I don't know. I mean, I'm going with my gut based on experience. Not mine, but. I think just know where you're going to end up. That's the most important thing.

Whether you go right when you die or, you know, this, I just looked up the bosom of Abraham and it's the place where the righteous went. It was like a holding place where the righteous would go before Jesus. So he was talking about the bosom of Abraham being like Hades or Sheol in the Greek. So yeah, I don't know if that's not the same now or I don't know. So I think just know that you know eventually you're going to end up in heaven. And then the rest will work itself out. True. I mean, that's like Tom said, I don't care.

It doesn't matter, rest or I'm heaven bound. But I'll get there. And I think really that's really what it's all about. Making sure that you know, that you know, that you know where you're going. That's important. We have time for another question. Hot daggum diggity.

If you could only have one meal for the rest of your life and had to eat. Now I'm going to answer mine and you guys are going to think about yours. I already know mine. Me too. You do? Yeah. Gosh, I mean, it took me flipping forever to answer this question. Like I'm like, this is serious business. Like this is like my last meal.

Like I wanted to make sure. Okay. If you could only have one meal for the rest of your life and had to eat only that, what would it be and why? And this person said they're rooting for Taco Tuesday every day. So they must love tacos, which listen, I love tacos. So I almost was like, I think it's going to be tacos for me, but hold up because I thought I was like, I don't know. I mean, if you think about it, you're going to have to eat that sucker every daggum day. I'm ready. And you can't ever change. And it has to be that every day.

I guess it's got to be something really good. Like hearty. Tacos wouldn't do it for me. I'm going to be honest with you. Mine is not hearty. Yours is not? Okay, I went with steak and potatoes i love steak and potatoes steak and potatoes my second would be tacos and then my third is pizza believe it or not pizza pizza yeah yeah and that's mine so i'll allow you guys to have

three if you don't want to just stick to one but mine is steak and potatoes obviously sour cream and butter lots of both tacos with all the fixings and then pizza and not pizza and wings just pizza i'm sick of chicken i'm done chicken. Although I did have a little bit of chicken, Heather. I did. Okay, Heather, what's yours? Mine is steak, medium rare, all the way. You're my girl. Potatoes.

I would need a salad with like all the veggies on the salad. Oh, that's a good idea. Wait, what was the question? Do you have to pick one food or your whole meal? No, your favorite meal. I might Wait, what was the question? Your favorite meal. I might have to add salad to mine. And some dessert. I'm going to come up with a smorgasbord for this meal.

Like what I had for dinner the other night at Longhorn. And I even had the onion things beforehand. You could do that every day. Every day. Even without the onions. Steak and potatoes are it. I could eat steak for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Oh, I every day. Every day. Even without the onions. Steak and potatoes are it. I could eat steak for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Oh, I love it.

Every day. Every day. Tal? I could just do potatoes, to be honest, because potatoes are my favorite thing ever. If you ask Vanessa, when I go to Taco Bell, I get a potato taco. I didn't even know Taco Bell does that. With no tortilla?

Potato taco? I know, I was joking. I have never heard of that. I didn't even know Taco Bell had that. Yes. I love steak and potatoes. And a crunchy taco? Potatoes and a crunchy taco?

No, it's a soft taco. Wait a minute. There's a taco with? No, it's a soft. A soft taco. Yeah. So wait a minute. There's a taco with only potatoes in it? Yes. It's not a potato with taco and fixings in it? No, it's a taco with the stuffings

like potatoes, lettuce. Okay, that's the weirdest thing I've ever heard in my life. I could do potatoes on a breakfast burrito, but not lettuce. I love potatoes. And then my second

would be pasta because I love plain pasta any pasta i'm not a pasta person i love pasta yeah but with potatoes you could do lots of things yeah yeah yeah 100 yeah lots of things okay so we know talia is potato potato yes i wish i would have answered before i heard all of that. Because now I'm like, wait. Now she's perplexed again. Wait a minute.

That's actually. Because my first thought was. Yeah, tell us your first thought. And now you can just change it if you want to. Yeah, my first thought initially was I love parfait. I love yogurt with fruit and granola. Yeah, but that's not going to keep you full. I know.

Then you said it has to be like you would want something hard. But if I can eat it all the time. Yeah, but that's not going to keep you full. I know. Then you said you would want something hard. But if I can eat it all the time? No, I mean, you can. But no, it's your meal. It's a meal. That could be a meal for breakfast. That ain't going to work, sister. You're going to have to change the whole entire thing.

That could be your dessert. Then I thought about yuppie bowls. I love yuppie bowls. I would want to have acai bowls. That's the worst thing you ever introduced me to. And the best thing ever. I need one of those today. I had one this morning.

That sounds good. Maybe I'll go get a salad. Oh my gosh. Well, you gotta hurry up because they close at 5. Alright, talk faster. Talk faster. And then I just love a salad bar. Like Ruby Tuesday used to have the best salad bar ever. And then there's like a lot of variety.

Is it like Ponderosa salad bar? No, I don't know. Like back in the day? It was fresh. It was fresh. Okay. It's fresh. Like Shoney's.

I love that song. Like Shoney's. Remember Shoney's salad salad bar that was good salad bar even pizza hut used to have a decent salad bar what yes what happened to that then you could have pizza and a salad bar yes yes to that and convince yourself that you're eating healthy if you eat enough salad then when you have the pizza, it doesn't count. I used to,

you know, back in the day, you used to eat in Pizza Hut. Yeah. Yes. I love, that was like one of my favorite places to go and eat dinner. When Derek and I were dating,

we used to go to Pizza Hut like once a week. I loved it. It smelled so good in there, but I would always do a personal pan pizza with my girlfriends, personal pan pizza and a salad on the salad bar every single time. So good. We used to go to CC's in Port Charlotte before they closed down. Yeah, but it was bad because we would eat so much food that we were like,

Tom, we were never eating again after we left. But then you're miserable the whole night. Oh, I can't eat like that. But then you're hungry again in an hour i don't like eating where you feel so full like thanksgiving i won't even do it to myself anymore it's i'm too miserable i don't like feel eating so much that you feel sick yeah and you can I can't do it. It's not pleasurable for me at all. Like I vowed. Now everyone's commenting. It's like the comments are blowing up right now.

The food? Yeah, with the food. Do we have any good ones online? Yeah. Does anybody have any? Vanessa was like, get out of here with the yogurt, Sarah. Listen, I like parfait. Okay.

But parfait is a dessert. It's not a meal. I have a parfait. Okay. But parfait is a dessert. It's not a meal. I have a parfait every day. I feel like it's a, I'm saying is it's gluten free granola with fruit and yogurt. That's not a dessert. That's like a snack or breakfast. It's like a snack or breakfast.

It's not a meal. Okay. Vanessa's going back to white rice and beans every single day. Her grandma's though. Oh, yeah. But I like that though. Someone put shrimp tacos. That sounds good too.

No, thank you. No, you don't like shrimp? They're the cockroaches of the sea. I'm not a big shrimp fan. They're so good. I love shrimp. Longhorn shrimp is so good. I'll eat them. But after a couple, I'm like,

this is like a... No, what am I eating? I don't know. It's a mental thing for me. Yummy goodness. That's what you're eating. Oh my gosh. Throw me down some coconut shrimp.

Yeah, if it's fried, I'll eat anything fried. All day long. What's that? Bang bang? Bang bang shrimp? From Carrabbas? Not Carrabbas. What's that bang bang? Bang bang shrimp from Carrabba's? Not Carrabba's. What is it?

Bonefish? Oh, bonefish. Yeah. That bang bang shrimp. Their Brussels sprouts are good at bonefish. I mean, you could just go

to Bonefish and do only appetizers for dinner and feel so satisfied afterwards. Have you ever done that? Yeah, actually we we have done that it's been a long time but so good it's like going to and then i'm gonna end after this okay

but it's like going because we gotta we gotta we gotta make somewhere by five um but it's like going to olive garden and doing their all you can eat breadsticks salad and soup. I was just thinking that. That's like going to Bonefish for their appetizers. It's just like that. But Olive Garden isn't what it used to be. No, everything's tiny and like if you want to do all you can eat

it's like they resent you for it. And make you wait 30 minutes before you get your next bowl of salad. You want another bowl of soup? Okay. Yeah. Like as soon as you say all you can eat, they're like 30 minutes, 30 minutes, 30 minutes. We ain't going to, because they know you'll finally give up.

We haven't been there in years, but when we would sit down, we would be like, bring us three baskets of bread. I know there's only five of us, but I'm telling you, bring a pitcher of water, four baskets of bread. They don't even do pitchers of water anymore. You know? They don't even do that stuff. That's smart.

Like, that drives Tom crazy. He's like, just bring a pitcher of Coke. Then you don't have to keep walking back and forth. That's not what they do. I don't care. All right, guys. I'm going to see you tonight at Dare to Be. It's going what they do. I don't care. All right, guys. I'm going to see you tonight at Dare to Be.

It's going to be fun. Listen. Pray. Pray. Pray before you walk in the door that you get the right raffle ticket so that you're the winner. Well, I always win. So whoever. I'll be praying about who I'm going to give that Bible to when I win.

Do I get to get in the raffle? Yes. Absolutely. Yep. So that's the deal. Be here. Be square. Be round.

Be a triangle. Just get here. Be female though. Yeah, be female. And don't be like feeling like you're a female. Have the organs of a female. Amen. Peace out. Amen. Peace out.

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