The Hope Hotline - Lies with Charlie Kirk's Murder | So Tired & I Want To Skip Church

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

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Real talk Hello and welcome. Thank you for joining us today. Um, I am like, I is probably as well as well as as you are. I'm married to somebody who's always keeping everything informed. But I myself am trying to stay informed on things myself about this because literally talking to Tom is my kids talk to him more than I do right now. That's crazy. Like last night they're all hanging

out and I'm in bed. Oh. Yeah. I was too tired. Sleepy girl? Yeah. But I'll watch his podcast but I don't get to talk to him about it. So I'm going to talk to you guys about it. Okay. Did you find that photo? I sent everything to you. I told you that. Via email? No. TikTok. Oh, TikTok. Okay. I was waiting for a text. Gotcha. Oh, no. On it.

So I was telling the girls. I was like, the saga continues. And if you're not staying up on it, well, you probably should. Current events is super important to stay up on. And I was watching this, it's so, funny like i think i got lipstick on my teeth um i was it's so funny because i was watching um this um i don't know if it was a speaking engagement that charlie kirk was at or he was at a church i think he was at a church but he might have been at a turning point uh usa conference and he was talking to people christians about how they'll always say that when you're in church, you shouldn't speak about politics because it's not in the Bible, which was funny because it's all throughout the Bible.

And, I mean, the whole founding of our country is based on Deuteronomy. Like the Constitution, and I don't know how people do not know this, but the reason our Constitution has lasted 200 plus years, because it's based on biblical principles. They literally took Deuteronomy and they made that be our Constitution, which, if you're going to, how smart were they? Because that stands the test of time. The Bible has stood the test of time. So they took biblical principle and they put it into the Constitution. That's one of the reasons why we've lasted so long where other countries never have.

It's not complicated. So that's why one of the things is said that our country is founded on biblical principles is because, it's out of the Bible. So he was talking about how that all throughout scripture, Jesus and the New Testament it talks about that we are like, we are to talk about what's going on in and around the world. It talks about nations talking about what's going on in other nations.

And like Tom always says, you know, when we're talking about life and death of different I've got to be careful because I don't want to get banned but like

when you're talking about issues that most preachers won't talk about from the pulpit like how do I say that? I can say it. No I can't because I've already been I've been out of each

like if it It was your phone. The A word? Yes. Yeah, I think it's okay. I can't say that word. Okay. But everybody knows.

Yeah. What happens? The A word. Yeah. If you don't keep a child and you choose to not keep it, that's biblical. Like that should be talked about in church. Sorry, that's not politics. That's life and death.

Yeah. And most people stay away from those topics. And even about. What's going on, I mean, if you want to talk about tariffs, come on. All right, we're not going to talk about tariffs in the church. But we are going to talk about things that are biblical principle. So he was basically with scriptures and verses, he was giving, which I'm not going to go into all of them. He literally was saying, what about this scripture?

What about this scripture? What about this scripture? And he was saying, if you're going to a church that doesn't talk about politics, you need to leave that church. Which is opposite of what everybody says. which is separation of church and state, which is also not in the Constitution. It's not anywhere, but people say it all the time. It's not in there. So what I was saying is this.

If you're not paying attention to what's going on with this whole entire thing, it's like being asleep in 2020 and going along. We always said the next thing's coming. And after this, the next thing's coming. after this the next thing will come after that that shakes and rattles it's like Tracy you did a good um tick talk on um like basically sustaining you know you've been this has this has rattled you right this this whole thing with charlie kirk has rattled people and what you were basically saying is if you went to church for the first time on sunday it's no different than in 2020 when people got

all rattled then and then once all of the feels left and all of the emotionalism and the scared and the worry and everything else they went back to their own life right and you were saying don't do that again right or don't bother kind of like yeah what's the point hot or colds yeah because the thing is that you feel a certain feeling right now and that makes sense because this was a big deal but the thing is that feeling is going to go away there's going to be a new news cycle, something's going to happen in your own life and you get distracted and you don't even have the word in you. So you don't even know how to stand. You know, you just, you're standing on feelings and those will be fleeting. All the time. Yeah. But if you pay attention to what's

going on politically, which is where I was going, what you talked about will help sustain you and continuing on with where you felt, where you felt like you need to go to church every single Sunday. You need to know what's going on. The signs of the times are super important. And you need to stay politically aware. And what's going on? Is that brought up? Do you have it yet? Yeah. Yeah. So, like, we're going to show you this video. Like, listen, guys, if you believe what you're being told, it's like back in 2020, we didn't believe what we were told. We were one of the few churches that never closed. We didn't six-foot distance.

We didn't have alcohol gels. We didn't take your temperature. Everybody came in, loved, hugged. We had no deaths. We had nothing. And our church wasn't small. At that time, what do you think in 2020? 2021?

we probably like 500 people then Vanessa would you say because we lost like half of the church because we didn't close and then big time grew huge overnight so we're all like 500 people right you'd say that estimating yeah yeah I think so too I think it was like 500 people and then we grew from there two surfaces with an overflow but then we grew from there beyond that yeah so yeah i would say that's true i just don't want to make it sound like i caught a fish this big but i'm really saying it's this big no not at all you know no at that by 2021 we were doing two services plus overflow for both services that's not including kids that's not including kids so yeah i'm not like exaggerating no okay um and people always think

compromise and being a little tom always used to capitulate which is also a fantastic work they feel like that helps them it doesn't help them actually god loves a salmon swimming upstream he loves narrow as the way there be that find it and he loves the one that's willing to go the narrow way to be the one that's not like what everybody else is saying so um with this i would strongly suggest don't believe what you're being told because what you're being told and what the truth is are two different things. People really need to pay attention. And I wouldn't stick with mainstream media to get your information. I would go to some serious sources like a Tucker Carlson, like a well, I know Candice Owens people are not big fans of hers. But in some ways, you can't throw the baby out

with the bathwater. Then there is apparently Milo Yianopoulos, he's back or he's coming back. But he went from being outspoken homosexual conservative to now he is very repentant of that lifestyle and now saying he's coming out of retirement because of Charlie Kirk. And then there's Steve Bannon. There's my husband. I would strongly suggest you listen to really good podcasters that are looking at all things. Because look at this. I sent this to Tracy. I'm like, like, they're telling us it was one shooter right now from the most part.

That's what they're trying to sell. But look at this. They gave us a picture of a guy. So there's a discrepancy with the video is that on X, they're saying this is AI generated. What is AI generated? The video. The photos that they're showing. Yeah, the ones that this video chose.

But I, like, but if you do look, I think we should show the video because if you do like look at the lips, at least we can see like. Well, here's the thing. That's the picture that they gave us. of the kid going up the steps. So that's on X and that's, that has a grok thing where they scan photos and can tell you if it's AI generated. Yeah.

And X says it's AI generated. Okay, but what I'm saying to you is when they took the picture of the kid going up the steps, even if it's not that one, it's to make it super clear. Right. Right. That's what it looked like though. Okay. So go ahead and then, yeah, because I understand what you're saying.

But go ahead. Okay. So yeah, and it's a video, so it's going to kind of slip through. So obviously we're looking at the. lips and the forehead and it's going to cycle through twice but these are things right yeah i have i have it right here yeah thanks for turning off that music i didn't even notice because like it there is music to it but might cause me it might cause us to be taken down totally yeah so just these are things to look at and all the photos that end up coming up um and i'll show you the actual

and the thing is is there's other pictures that they originally put out that were fuzzy yeah yeah that you pulled up, pull up the one that you pulled up with the fuzzy. That's the real one. But it's not the same guy. The jaw is completely different. One they have him limping, one they don't have him limping. And they say the one with him limping is because he's got a gun in his pants. Yeah.

It's not even possible. It's not even possible. I agree with you. I just saying that specific photo. No, no. glad you said that because people will say absolutely you got to you got to say that but even still like and even like I'm a video I'm a photographer right so when you take a photo and it's very grainy and you denoise it or you change it with AI that's what happened is that the AI went like

in lightroom I can I can take like it filters it out it just yeah it makes it like it AI is the photo so it looks as clear as that video did but it doesn't necessarily change the photo it just makes it clearer using AI. So I'd have to look and see, like, well, what was AI? The fact that they put a filter over it that made it AI, because I can do that on my own account using this photo. Which doesn't change the picture. It just makes it more, less fuzzy.

I could take this photo, put it in Lightroom, use my AI. It'd still be the same photo. It would just make it look different because they're using computer-generated stuff to make it more clear. So, yeah, it's just, yeah, it's important to look to these things because things aren't adding up. Like the older guy that they arrested has admitted that he was, that he was a character and the, I mean, people are coming out. Well, and there's more stuff too.

He had child pornography as well as supposedly the next thing that. And he got arrested for that. Who is it the old guy? Yes. The old guy. The old guy actually was a plant in the crowd. Yeah. Now, you're going to tell me that kid, that Robinson kid,

set that guy up to be a plant in the crowd? Are you kidding me? You think that 20-something year old kid was smart enough to do that? No, I don't think so. I don't think so at all. I think it's a whole lot of maybe one didn't know about the other but somebody organized this. Either way, it's just so ironic how both of these people

are like, like he has a furry chat. He's a full on liberal. Like he has a furry chat. chat, he's a furry. Which is so weird. And the old guy was gay, loved to act pregnant. There's a picture of him with a fake baby and a fake girl. Oh my gosh. And he's got a wig on.

He actually was a trans kind of guy too. Oh, yeah. The old guy was a trans as well. He was like supporting like trans pregnancy and stuff like that basically. Oh my gosh. Okay. So there's this guy that I have fallen in love with on TikTok. he sells a lot of makeup

he actually he is unbelievable makeup artist is it Jeffrey Star Jeffrey Star I love Jeffrey Star I love Jeffrey Star I love Jeffrey Star oh my gosh he is so real

even before all of this oh my gosh I'm in love with him like I kid you not I mean I'm sure there's a lot of people who want to be best friends with him but I kid you not like I love that guy that's what truth is like I mean all of us should be able to like whether you're gay or not gay hetero or gay whatever it is whatever your lifestyle is look at truth and the truth that it is in do you know what I'm saying like be honest about the crap that's what

I love about him because he looks at truth and he's like well that's the truth so I'm going to tell the Truth. I mean, I don't understand the delusion of people's minds. Yeah. Like, as a straight heterosexual person, I still have to speak truth, even about myself, about things that I do that aren't actually right. So do I live in delusion and then I pretend that they're not what they are because they don't fit the bill or they don't make it look good for me? No, I still have to tell the truth and that's what I love about that guy because and he's taking lots of heat right now yeah I mean he is taking a lot of heat he literally always has he's always been about the pronouns yeah only two genders like that's always been him while we're while wearing a face full

of makeup of makeup and let me tell you if I could learn how to put my makeup on like that guy he has a makeup line too I know he does like he's so good he's so good sounds so crazy but he is so good his videos with Shane Dawson you gotta watch those so those are so freaking funny what is it him and Shane Dawson Shane Dawson Kylie Jenner's skincare yes oh my gosh I would love to watch it I'm just saying like Thursday we should watch that Thursday okay so for me it's like for me it's like so so the the older guy is is like he can be he can look like a regular dude but then he also goes trans and puts it becomes pregnant the older guy

see i'm telling you this is a whole lot of actors there's a whole lot of actors behind this and then tom had on his podcast last night uh another and he and obviously he's being very cautious about saying how many people are actually involved as far as the shooting goes but off to the side where his um his bodyguards they're not involved in it i know lots of people have said they are because they were making a lot of like movements and stuff like that but like way off in the distance you can see and Aaron slowed the video down you can actually see the bullet in the air just before it hits him and it didn't come from the direction of where they're saying it came from on the roof it did it does not and is that what he's saying like that's from the side

off where the security guys were that they said we're making all the like hand signals it came that way through this way not this way through that way and it clearly shows it bounced off nothing you can see the shirt fly yeah I mean it's not I mean lots of people do believe it's multiple shooters it's just like the Kennedy assassination right where they said there's multiple shooters and stuff like that there were multiple shooters on the Kennedy like they had a plan on the roof who actually didn't really do it And it was really the guy in the front seat that did it, a CIA operative. I mean, guys, like, we need to wake up and not believe everything that we're being told.

The best way you can control your government is not to allow them to control you. Yep. And that starts with not believing everything they tell you. True. Because we all know, listen, if they put a bunch of the senators and House representatives, the congressmen and the House of Representatives. If they put all of them together and you saw their rap sheets

and how many times they've been arrested or the things that they've done, you might not think that they're the greatest human beings. And I don't. I don't care what aisle they're on. I don't care Republican or Democrat. They're all bad to me.

I mean, maybe here and there, there's a good one. But really, in my eyes, no. I don't buy anything they sell. Not at all. But what do you guys think? Well, if you do watch, I mean, those security people don't really, like, really, like, jump. They don't, like, really, like, react compared to all the other people reacting. What do you mean by that?

Which, maybe it's their job, but, like, the people behind Charlie, when he got shot, they don't, like, react. Like, when he shot, they don't, like, move. It's like they know it was coming. one thing my mom because she asked me about this early on sorry mom to call you out but she asked me about the security guards too and the thing somebody said that kind of didn't make sense to her is why would they stand behind him or even to the side i think they always have if you look but if they were involved in this and they knew that he was going to like why would they stay in those

areas that could actually that's a good point put them in some kind of harm's way yes that That actually is a good point, which I didn't think that they really were a part of it. They'd go back a long way with him, although, let's say, that doesn't mean nothing. Sometimes. Yes, exactly. Love of money. So, in some cases, but, I mean, that's a good point, Kim. Okay, Mom.

That's a really good point. I just made my finger bleed. Can somebody go on the top of my left-hand drawer and get me a band-aid? You know where it is your band-aids? Yeah, top left-hand drawer of my desk. So that's really good. What else? Anybody else?

Like, noticed anything or heard anything? Okay, so with... I know Vanessa is probably staying out of this. No, I just don't know enough to have, like, a true opinion on anything, really. I'm just waiting for, like... Yeah, it feels too... Every day, it's a different angle. Yeah.

I'm enthralled in it, though. I know. And so, like, this is, like, with COVID, like, like, I'm... I had to know what the heck was going on. Yep, that's me. I had to. It was driving me crazy. And with this, like, I know, I know we know it's evil anyways, but like I know it's evil

and I know it's so deep and I know it's going to be like with COVID and we're going to find out in five years from now, hopefully sooner, that other people are involved and like the mask didn't actually work. I know, we all knew that. You know what I mean? Like I feel like it's going to be the same thing. And I don't know. They're just, they're so good at like keeping.

things hidden from us until somebody pushes hard enough for it to be revealed, you know? So I do. I hope every single person that was attached to this is brought to light. I mean, this is, I mean, this is, oh, my gosh, are you kidding me? That's the old guy. Oh, my gosh. That's the old guy. Yeah.

Why does it say Black Baby Factory? What? What? That is, that to me is racist. That's wild. Like, why would you do that? This is so, okay, that's so bad. But just so you guys know, that picture is circulating.

I just, see, I'm telling you, it's because you probably said the C word. What, what happened? I don't think they could hear us. Oh, ha, ha, ha. You want me to adjourn it or whatever? Yep. Yeah. How many people were watching?

That's a lot. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well. Story of my life. I know, right. 551 viewers.

Oh, my gosh. One new follower, though. Thank you. I lost you, but thank you. I know. it i don't even know it's because you said the c word and then you talked about masking i'm sure of it that's the reason why i kept saying 2020 you can't say that stuff like they've they have up the game on ticot as far as what they will allow you to say they just did it in september 13

yeah yeah it's it is ridiculous they're going to try erase history yeah so you appealed it trying yeah they prove it or not because last time I got suspended for seven days it won't be good because they'll suspend me for longer like the more strikes you get the more they limit your account which I'm going to kill Tracy you don't know what's that we're literally talking you know what I'm about you know what's going to happen is I'm not going to go live anymore you know it's going to but no I've seen people

talking about Charlie Kirk and they're not getting anything They're not getting anything and their things are going high. It's every single time you talk about COVID, every single time. It's because they do not want to, they, the agenda is ridiculous about that. I know. It is. It's the biggest lie on the face of the earth. And you can't even see the, you can't say the C word.

No more C word. It's ridiculous. It is. Literally ridiculous. I'm sure that they probably have it in the algorithm. I was not probably reported at all. It's because it's that stupid word. AI, yeah.

Oh, my gosh. They will. Guys, please. So I'm not ever going to go back on live with them. Because it's going to ruin what we're trying to accomplish. And that's the bigger picture. You're getting most of your followers from your videos. Yeah, so for real, I'm not even going to bother with that anymore.

Maybe if we know we're just doing like a question or something, the medical one I want to do either, like with Natalie, right? But if we know we're answering a question. We could just pop on, excuse me, live for, like, that one question. Yeah, that's probably a good idea. Like, this next, if we get to this question about church, like that one, that will be safe. Yeah, if they let me back on. That's what I mean. Like, yeah.

Because they told it, they remember they put out the thing that their new rules is, like, they're cracking down on this information. Yeah, everything. Which they think that that's misinformation. Like, I mean, I just don't, I don't get it. Oh, my gosh. It just ticks me off. Like, you're so censored. It's unbelievable.

It needs to be the Wild Wild West. Maybe it will be once they switch over. Oh, yeah. I wonder what will happen. I'm saying. Maybe it'll... That's a good question, actually. It will be less censored. I wonder.

Maybe that's why he's saying that he's not going to agree to it because of their new rules, Tracy. Mm-hmm. And maybe that's why he's saying lights will go out tomorrow. Yeah, FYI, if you're not. paying attention on TikTok right now and you're on TikTok. Oh my gosh, Tracy. Good point. There's a good chance that it's going to go black like it did in January, which means that when you go to like reset, like you go to on TikTok, it just won't load anymore. And eventually you won't be able even go on TikTok. It'll just keep shutting off. So just don't delete TikTok off

of your phone because if it comes back on and it's like in the app store the same, you'll be able to just use it again. But if you delete it, you might not be able to reinstall it again like a lot of you guys did last time, but it's supposed to be switching over from China to American. And so in that, you might lose all your content. So it's probably a good time to research if you have stuff on there that you don't want to lose, how to get it backed up on your phone. Yeah, you have to plug it into your computer. Yeah, because it's too heavy.

The content is too large, the gigabytes and megabytes and all the stuff that the thing is. Which we'll have to do today for mine, but especially if they delete me, me, which they might. It's a good thing. I only have 1,700 followers. Yeah, speaking up, I know. I got your new updated. Yeah, do your thing. Now that we ain't got much to live for. I know. It's over. It's all over. It's ridiculous, though. It is absolutely ridiculous. So if you're on Facebook, they don't really help us either. But, okay, Facebook, if you're there, like, share, comment, and then let us know where you're watching from. We love that. You have the option watching on the whole.

potline but also on foundation church so wherever you are say hello talia will probably see you over there i'm over in rumble if you want to hang out um uh oh i got to save this i changed our title um yeah so if you're in rumble say hello coming back over i was just fixing something real quick so if yeah if you're here hello hello and um i see you guys watching so say hello to us and then if you are watching on youtube that's cool you can stay no worries um i see a couple of you watching over there. YouTube definitely doesn't help us very much either, which is fine. I know. They're all mad at us because we just say what's true. And then black robe as well. Obviously, we're not live on, hey, it's hope anymore. I might have to go live on the Hope Hotline at some

point to kind of battle what we're doing. But we'll see how what happens with this change on TikTok. Also, if you have anything drafted on TikTok, there is a very high chance that those will all disappear as well if it goes black that happened last time. And I just drafted so many. I'll show you guys are a new account in a second but I just spent so many drafts and they're beautifully drafted and tell you told me a way that I maybe can get around it so we'll see but if you're listening to the audio podcast it is not live right now because I have to post that so feel free to go over to Spotify or Apple anywhere you listen to a podcast at Apple Spotify Amazon like literally anywhere it's over there all right that's that and then moving right along to send in your questions please do

that, any questions at all that you have, even if it has to do with this stuff. Like, if this assassination has brought up questions in your mind about your faith or just anything, like, send in the question. We'll talk about it. If you want to talk about the C word with what happened in 2020, sorry, don't send that in. Oh, you can say that because we're not on TikTok. We're safe right now. Okay, we're safe. Screw these people. YouTube and baseball. Ridiculous. But yeah, YouTube, we've got a lot of hits on YouTube, and it's usually because of this lady asked Natalie. She usually comes on

and gives us some good information. Oh no, where's her little slide? And so yeah, usually we have an issue every time Natalie comes on because she says something, well, not even necessarily her, but like our questions that we ask or anything at all to do with the medical world, social media doesn't like when you say things that don't align

with what they think. So that's kind of frustrating. But either way, we're going to try our best to always answer the questions for you guys so please send them in um here i've been stalling because i have this one as well that i want to show you guys friday september 26 she will be here so you've got a week and a few days to send in your questions um if anything from last podcast that she was here if something kind of brought up something in your mind if you're dealing with something in the medical realm or you have a family member or friends or anything that you can think of some questions um natalie is a great resource and we would love to be able to ask her um and then on to our

favorite place that is being brady right now, TikTok. So, oh, my goodness, that one too. Let's see. Okay, we're going to go here. We're actually going to start with this one. So we have a new account. And if you're on TikTok, I need you to go right now and find Foundation Worship. And I want you to go and follow us over there and go like all those videos and go listen to them all and share them and do repost and everything like that. That would be really great for us. We would love to get our music out there. And yeah, just we love having this new account. It's really cool to see that we can kind of touch every area of TikTok. I'm going to do, I'll do this one real quick. We're going to jump around. So these are some other accounts. If you're a TikToker,

you can go follow these ones as well. We've got everybody and everybody on TikTok. Because you know what? We're all going to point it back to the church. And then everybody's going to find us and then they're going to have hope and get the full gospel. Isn't that great? That's what I want for everybody. Okay. Next stalling again. Pastor Tom is, no, I updated that one. That's why I literally stopped it. Oh my gosh. Okay, let's go to this one. Okay, mine's not updated either because that one didn't update. Okay, so you can follow the Hope hotline and you can follow me. something happened the other day and the views were really weird so I thought that was it I thought that was the beginning of the blackout and it was not so I was actually happy to see

that our other videos did pretty good once that whatever whatever happened that day it actually got better okay this one's going to be a little bit silly but we've got Vanessa's on there too and Talia's on there too and sometimes Vanessa's sporadic and Talia is even less sporadic and So if you want to follow, which I have to update yours too, Hope. Like I had them all ready. Where did they go? They're probably in the folder somewhere. Video tick, nope, not that one.

Oh, that's that video. That's why I was glad you turned off that music, girl. I know. Okay. Because you could have gotten flag for that. Okay, we're just, so Hope is doing way better than this. But that's her following. Hey, it's Hope, so make sure you're doing that.

I don't know what's, I mean, it's coming back in Jesus' name. And then you got us and then you've got these people. And then Pastor Tom's doing it. He has 160 right now. We just had a video kind of blow up with 4,000 views. We're definitely getting, you know, not a ton of feedback like with the comments, which is kind of great because I kind of just want to get his information out there before he gets anything. Because you just never know what could like, we're talking about marriage.

Okay, well, now that's going to offend somebody. I don't know. So hopefully not. Hey, you know what? Well, no, because I was talking about homosexual. sexuality. I didn't say anything bad. Okay. I was going to say maybe it was that. It was that. But do you remember when I was driving and I got booted off live and everybody else gets to drive? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, exactly.

It's not fair. It's not fair. Life is supposed to be fair. So if you get banned on TikTok, let me just ask you this for lives. Did that, did that ban my account where I couldn't post anything for seven days? Or was it just going live for seven days? That's what I thought. It was just live. Yeah. Screw that. I ain't going back live. Screw these people. Forget about it. Forget about it. It's not the big goal.

The big goal is Foundation Church anyway, so I don't really care. I know, exactly. We're not going to hurt that. That's the goal. Right, that's the goal. We're on a mission. We're on a mission. So that's why we've got Foundation Church worship.

We've got Pastor Tom's. You saw that he had his TLP clips and his Tom Leipley podcast and we all of us. So the point is it is to get back to Foundation Church so that people will hear the gospel in its full like complete completeness not like a little bit of you know this and a little bit of this like everything you get everything yeah so that's the goal um and people are hungry right now so this is our way in yes the people that need it um excuse me and then lastly this will be tomorrow um come and join us we will be at the crown plaza in fort mires at gulf coast i thought it was bell tower but i was um in my brain had made up something else so it's not it's gulf coast uh crown

Plaza, Fort Myers. So tomorrow night will be Pastor Hope will be preaching. So you definitely want to be there for that. And then on Friday, Pastor Clover, and then both of them will be at the lunch session after breakfast. And if you want to go to breakfast, it's $60 per person. You can scan that QR code or you can go to Riverfortmyers.org. Or come after the breakfast. Yeah, or you can come after if you don't want to. Because we have to drive there. So it might be too early for people. Yeah. Breakfast might be too early, but then there's something afterwards. Yeah, 1230. Yeah. So, yeah. definitely come, definitely support the river and pastor hope because she's got a good word.

I know it. I know it. And I'm very excited to go and, yeah, be a part of another woman's conference. It's always good. And, again, good time to be doing these kind of things, too. Yeah. It's a really good time. It really is.

Great person, too. Man, she's just. She's the best. She's a great person and such integrity and character. Like, I love that one. woman. Yeah. And always consistently the same. She is always consistently the same. Yeah, I love people like that. Yeah. She's a bright light in the not so bright world sometimes. So let's go to the first question, ladies. Yeah. Let's do it. I'd love to know your thoughts on this. Okay. I have

scripture. Oh. But let's talk about what you guys think first. Okay. Along with me. Is it wrong to skip church to catch up on sleep I work six days a week I cannot tell you like this is one of tom's pet peeves because he would work all night long yeah I know on night shift and then still go to church whether or not he was preaching or whatever he was an usher whatever like he would do night shift all night in a patrol car and he would still go to church and have to do two services I work six days a week and Sunday is the only day I have to rest. You know what I have to say to that?

Wea! Come on, give me a break. Sorry to insult you, but... My gosh. I love Jesus. Do you? Do you love Jesus? I love Jesus, but I'm exhausted.

Thank God he didn't have that mindset when he was dying on the cross. What's more important? Sabbath or Sunday service. oh so you can just take a nap after church like tell you votes for a nap okay so normally i give my opinion which i only gave a snippet but what's you guys's opinion on that since i was a little harsh while reading the question i just can't stand this week mamsie pamsie crapola i cannot stand it so what do you say i'm always tired

consider a different job like why are you working six days a week that's a good question Vanessa and like in the hours like how many hours are you working right and why do you have to what lifestyle are you keeping up with yeah like this that's the natural are you good stored of your money yeah so like yeah listen I just got offered to get hair extensions put in my hair and I was like I can't do that

I got stuff I got to take care of first. Like, be a steward of the funds that you have. Like, you can't do everything you want to do. You just can. That's life. Go ahead. Yeah. Yep, there's that.

There's checking if your job is actually, like, listen, like, I'm excited to come to church on Sunday. So also, like, do you love Jesus that much? Like, because aren't you excited to come? And maybe your church is terrible. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. And so, like, I'm excited to come. All my people are here.

I love worshiping. I love taking photos. You're challenged. It's a highlight. It's not something that you have to check off a list. It's a highlight of your day. And like back in the day, like not that I ever did this, mom, don't worry. But when you would like read a horoscope and you're like, ooh, what does my horoscope have to say?

You know? Yeah. And then you read it and you're like, that's stupid. But like church, you come and you're like, oh, what's Pastor Tom have to say for me? Because he's been praying all week preparing this message. And then when he's speaking, I'm like, okay, this was for me. Like, and then I can focus on my. So like, and then you take that through the week.

And then you use. use it because he literally pray over it for you like so do you have a pastor you missing out on like how many times do you guys like on sunday mornings think about this because you've built relationships and stuff like that how many times do people come to you and say hey listen i need to talk about something all the time all the time because you're you don't go just to go you go because you serve and i'm not saying serving yes she said she took takes photos that That's like so beneath serving is really serving one another. Correct.

That's what the word is telling us to do. Serving one another is being a listening ear and walking and iron sharpening iron, talking somebody through something. Right. Like that's why you go to church, not because there's no, the reason this person actually thinks there's an option is because they're not looking at church in the right light. Correct. That's the reason why.

Very true. It's all about me going and being fed and probably what you're eating while you're there ain't very good. Right. I love that she mentions the Sabbath or this person mentions the Sabbath. Like have you, have you like really studied out like keeping the Sabbath? Because if you're going to keep the Sabbath, keep it. Right.

That means you do nothing. Right. You can't even like push buttons. Okay. Growing up we had because we lived in like, it's true. No, you can't. I grew up in a very like, next to a very like Jewish acidic. community so they were like elevators made for the sabbath where it just goes to every floor because

they can't push buttons you're not allowed to do anything when you keep the Sabbath your food you can't make food the food was made the night before you do nothing on the Sabbath pushing a button that is wild you can't that's considered work okay I didn't know that you couldn't even walk a certain distance there was only a certain amount that you could actually walk on and then after that that too far too far right not even take a nap you do you were breaking the sabbath if you if you walked a distance okay yeah so i mean let's if you're gonna do it let's do it come on right don't be hypocritical and this is like we don't live by the old law anyway true true like i mean should you rest yes but if you're gonna if you're gonna do all of the of the um law yeah

And, and, like, keeping of the law, then you're going to have to do the new moons. You're going to have the festivals. You're going to have to not eat certain meat. You're not going to be able to eat certain shellfish or fish. We had friends who, I think they were called Torah observance. Mm-hmm. Yeah. They converted to Torah observant.

And they do. They do all these festivals. They can't have leaven bread in their homes. And it was just every time we try to like arrange like for us to get dinner together, it's like all these rules that they had to follow. And it was just, it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot.

It's a lot. People don't understand it. So I just sit there and. Thank you. Say thank you, Jesus for like. being that redeemer that you are because you've redeemed us from that along with our sin and provided you know hope and salvation but you want to go back to that have at it oh happy day for you you're going to regret that but i just sit there and think that you don't look at you

don't look at things in the right light i would also question how much you how much you how much of your, how much of your life has spent in the world versus in, in the church. If you can't even give God two hours out of your day, which most churches are 50 minutes, as pathetic as that is, most churches, it's 50 minutes. And if you go beyond that, people are like, how much longer is this going to be? You can't give God that? You can't give God two and a half hours? Most people only go to church Sunday morning. And they're sweating two and a half hours. And they're sweating two and a half hours. Shame on you. This is ridiculous. Most people don't even open their Bible throughout the week. So you're looking at your clock after two and a half hours, mostly 50 minutes. That's the

reason why. Listen, the modern day church is like the in and out burger. Drive through. That's, I want to get in. I want to get out. As fast as I can. Like, you're not going to stay saved if you're saved at all and and like that kind of mentality god wants all of you not part of you yeah and you're just saying i'm going to do just enough to get into heaven if you think going to church for 50 minutes is going to get you into heaven you are sorely mistaken just skip it because i would question what you're doing the rest of the week and that's probably what the very thing is is that's not going to get you into heaven compromise it's it's pathetic but go ahead and i'm going to to do scriptures. You want to add anything?

No, I just, the only, like, the one thing that frustrates me is that it's like we have a two and a half hour service and then Pastor Tom will pray randomly, you know, at the end. And he does it so fast and, like, people literally sprint out of there. I know. And I just don't get it. I'm like, this is your opportunity to like, be in agreement, like push hands toward, you can't lay hands and that's fine. But like, you can, you can pray. And then one day. And then one day you're going to hear the testimony and be like, I was a part of that. I pray, but I don't think people believe that their prayers even work. They don't.

But I'm like, how do you run out of here? Or let it be them that needs. Or let it be them. They're sick. Yeah. And needs hands laid on them. And then they want the very people that they've walked out on when they needed prayer. They want those people that stand in agreement with them.

It's selfish. It's like it floors me because it's, it floors me. I'll tell you why. People get sick. This has happened. when people get sick and they're in need of things they get very bothered and offended that the church isn't there for them and they're like like why isn't anybody helping me they literally get mad at the church but they get mad at the people in the church like nobody's coming to help me

my yard needs to be mowed um like we need groceries um my kids need this my kids need that or whatever and a lot of times it's like do you guys have a meal train because like my person is coming and like I'm going to only be able to take care of them so I'm going to need help right these people if you say which we have said no because there's been reasons but it's never for somebody who has been like a very or has attended the church it's a lot of times it's people who do not attend the church that call from the outside wanting help and if you tell them no

I'm like, but we have had people who have gotten mad because we didn't rise to the occasion of what they felt like we should and there were reasons we didn't which I won't go into. I sit there and go, I have said, when was the last time when you heard about somebody needing

what you're asking for, you help them? Crickets chirping. They never did it. They never helped one person they never made one meal they never gave one ride they never changed one diaper or helped with somebody else's kids never but how dare you not do it for them or somebody in the church doesn't do it for them it's like that's it doesn't matter that I didn't do it reaping and sewing I think that's what the word says yeah it does matter it does very much but people are like they live in a delusional world. You never do it for anybody, but how dare you when nobody does it for you?

You've never invested. You never made relationship. Nobody is going to do it. I literally have had people that have invested and have done so much for people that when they've been in need or they needed help or a family member was sick, we had to call off people helping them because they had so much help. They were like, my refrigerator can't hold any more food. Like stop. Please. Please. I love you guys, but you're doing way too much. The reason why is what they sowed into so many people, people were waiting for an opportunity

to bless. If you're not getting people who want to help you, you might want to need to look at your fruit. You might need to look at what you've done. There might be a reason for that. But that's not how people live. So let me just read you these scriptures. It says

Hebrews 1024 through 25 says, let us think of ways to motivate one another to acts of love and good works. and let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do. But encourage one another, especially now, this is, you need to pay attention to this part, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near. You don't have time to sit home and go to sleep. You might want to show up for church, because the time is drawing near.

That's a warning. Next one is, and Mark, and these are New Living Translation, Mark 227 says, Then Jesus said to them, The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people and not people to meet the needs of the requirements of the Sabbath. Ouch. So I would say no excuses. Do what you got to do.

Drink a Red Bull. Get an alani. A big cup of coffee. But wake your butt up and go to church because you can't afford not to go. It might be the very thing that gets you saved if you're not saved. And don't just go to any church. Yeah.

Go to a Bible-believing church and not one that pulls their messages up off the internet and preaches them to you. Yep. And then repeats them and memorizes them word for word. Or another pastor that they heard preach it. And then they copy that person word for word, right, Vanessa? Exactly. Don't think it don't happen. It does.

Literally repeats it word for word, joke for joke, laugh and laugh. I've heard of that. Vanessa, literally I've heard more than, I've heard that story from other people now. Really? Oh, yes. Yes. That's scary. Because when we stumbled upon that at the very church that we were on staff on as children's pastors, I was mortified. I've heard that other places. I'm like, exactly. I was like, am I really living this life? It's a tremendous show. But down to the, down to the grunts. No. down to like the personal family like um examples that he used in the sermon so you're not only are you like taking their words but you're also lying those are not your stories yeah that part

was not true i didn't that part i've heard the person i've heard of another person saying the joke the same exact way laughing at this is laughing the same the whole thing like how about you be you. Thank you. You be you. God, if Jesus, or excuse me, well, Jesus too, but if God didn't make snowflakes the same, fingerprints not the same, then how would you preach the same message sounding like a same individual that preached it? I know. Scary. And it's just sad. Like, it's like this potential in a human being and they just shell it because like they don't know who they are in Christ. Or maybe, maybe you weren't called to be a pastor. Or you weren't called. Yeah. And trying to force a round peg into a square hole

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I've always wondered something strange when I read the book of Genesis. Why did God put a talking snake in the Garden of Eden? And was that supposed to be literal or symbolic? And while we're at it, did Adam and Eve even have belly button since they weren't born like the rest of this? Which somebody asked this question so long ago. When I read that question, I'm like, I answered that question like when I first started this podcast a couple years ago. First of all, let me just tell you, I think it is not symbolic. I believe it is actually literal.

And nobody even, nobody doesn't know whether or not the animal spoke back then or they didn't. I know that Balaam had a talking donkey. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, like, the donkey didn't talk until he beat it down, and then the donkey saved its life from the angel, which I'll read you those scriptures, but to prove my point.

But, I mean, I don't know if all the animals didn't have the ability to talk in the garden or weren't talking. I mean, it doesn't say they did or they said they didn't. Right. But the one thing it did say is that, that the snake was very cunning. Let's look at that scripture, Genesis 3-1,

which if you think about it, if the serpent was considered cunning, obviously that's the one that the devil's going to use. Because he's not going to get a deer, right? Who is gentle and kind. He's going to use something that's the disposition of what he needs to accomplish whatever the will list that he has, correct?

Just like you. Make sure you're not shrewd and make sure you're not cunning. Because the devil might be able to use you. I don't know. Think about that. Genesis 3-1 says, The serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. He's a perfect specimen for the devil to use.

One day, he asked the woman, did God really say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees and the garden. Now, let's look at that question really quick. He said, did God really say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden? Is that a true question? No, that question is not true. That question was, just like he did with Jesus, he framed the question and he twisted it. Was there a truth to a portion of that question? Yeah, there was a truth. The truth was, is God said you cannot eat from the tree, from the tree in the middle, which is, the tree of life. Okay. There was one tree. He said, did God really say you must not eat the fruit

from any of the trees, plural, and the garden? Okay. Adam was standing there because she then gave him the apple after the serpent was done. He should have said, that's not what God said. Because God said it to him and then he repeated it to her. So he should say, no, no, that's not what God said. God said we can't eat from a tree. not trees. So, like, be very careful in what you think you hear and how you interpret it. It's like when people, it's like that telephone game. Like, by the time it gets to the end of the line, it's totally different than what was originally said. That's how Satan works.

So if you're going to listen to him, remember, he's a liar. And so don't let him talk to you. That's the first thing you can do is don't let him talk to you. Yes. Yeah. take captive we talked about this last night at a bite i was like i asked i was like how many people have ever had a conversation with a liar before and everybody raised their hand and i was like and how did that conversation go good or bad and i'm really you know bad and why did you listen

to him right and so that's who's the author of the lies so if you're engaging with somebody that is not a sold out believer a christ follower like you're engaging in something you know they are lying why do you keep engaging or if it's demonic why would you keep listening if you're If it's like a thought that comes in that you know isn't from God and it's condemning, don't listen. Why give it the time of day? Or if it's a divisive person. We all know divisive people, which is what Satan is. Right.

He's a divisive creature. Yep. Yep. Don't listen to something that even if it's only being devices, he's acting in a way that causes division within you. Right. Right. Which people don't think that it does. They think being divisive is between you and other people.

That is true. Yeah. But he can cause that so that you're conflicted within your own self, which is causing a house divided cannot stand. Okay. You're not going to be able to withstand the nonsense. If you listen and he's going to play like ping pong in your mind, causing division of what you know is truth and what you know is lie,

which is a spirit of confusion. You have decisions to make. Make the right choices. You can listen to a liar or you can listen to a liar. or you can listen to a truth teller. But most people fall for the liar because he's very cunning. And cunning means having or showing skill

and achieving one's goals through deceit, cleverness, or trickery. Is Satan, he is a trickster. Satan will trick you. He'll make you believe that whatever he's telling you about whomever he's telling you or even about yourself,

he will trick you. believing that is truth. It's a lie. It often carries a negative sense of being sly, crafty, or manipulative. Are you like that? Yeah. I mean, people need to think, are they like that? Do that they, because I can tell you so many people that calls themselves believers that they are cunning and they are manipulative. Right. And their motives behind why they say and what they do are to manipulate people and to cause strife and division and chaos and drama. Stay away from those people. Even if they say, oh, I'm a Christian.

Yeah. Yeah. They're not a Christian. If what they're saying is causing division, stay away from them. Or confusion, like the serpent said multiple times, did God really say? like oh yeah did god really say yeah good point you know like hmm so if you don't know your word and you're not rooted in your word right when you have those confusing thoughts you kind of you're you got you're subject to him you have no would like to stand on yeah you start believing the

lies it's so true yeah yeah i believe i believe i believe 100 percent that that snake spoke. Me too. There's not a doubt in my mind. I mean, I've always just believed that. I don't think I've ever thought the opposite. So when we get to heaven, will we be speaking to animals? I hope so.

That's pretty cool. I do. I think that there's a chance. If you know how many times you've looked at your dog and you're like, if I could just imagine what your voice sounded like. I know. Yeah, you're dogs. I know.

They literally look at me and I'm like, what are you thinking? Just say, what are you thinking? You know, like you can imagine what their voice sounds like. Well, it's like when you have a baby. Yeah. Remember when you have a baby and it doesn't talk or anything? Because you're just like, I wonder what's going to sound like. And then it starts talking and you're like, I wish I didn't know what you sound like.

Be quiet. Be quiet. Talk too much. Oh, man. I don't know. For me, like, I don't know. I take the, there are a lot of symbolism in the word of God, but I take pretty much everything it says is literal. Yeah, me too.

Same. Me too. Same. So let's look at numbers 22 through 28 because even donkeys talked. It said the Lord gave the donkey the ability to speak. That's the very first sentence of 22. I mean, excuse me, verse 28. And it goes on to talk about how it actually had a conversation with Balaam

because it was trying to save Bailam's life. And Bailam was trying to kill it because it thought it was trying to harm him. That's how stupid we are. so again literally I do think the snake talked you guys did but also it said they didn't say like the snake crawled on its belly when it first started it said it walked it had legs so everything transitioned when it when that snake participated in causing the downfall of Adam and Eve it paid a price too it did it would now crawl on its belly meaning it didn't crawl on its belly before yeah I'm glad it crawls on its belly now could you imagine seeing snakes on

legs oh my gosh that this I don't like that it's kind of like well it would kind of be like what's those animals that like but no it's like because kind of lizard but it's kind of skinks or skinks oh true yeah I don't like those no thank you that's I when I see a skink I think of like I've ever seen a skink a skink a skank a skank I love the action Bible because if you look at the action Bible and it was the old version I I don't know with a new one, because it came out with a new one. But I loved it because when I taught, when I taught the very thing about Adam and Eve, they actually had the snake with legs.

I was like, way to go. Good job. Way to go. Because a lot of kids don't realize. It's those little things that teach kids, like the depths of understanding the Word of God. Right, yeah, 100%. Let's look at the second, and then because we're two minutes over. The second question was Adam and Eve.

Did they have belly buttons? No, they didn't. How could they? They didn't have an umbilical cord. Exactly. Like, so no, they probably didn't have belly buttons. No. The odds, why would they?

Right. They weren't in utero. They were formed from the dust, or Adam was. Yeah. And then she was taken from him. So, like, I don't think so, which is going to probably deceive people. What? Do you think Adam had one less rib?

Yes, I do. Because they said she came from his breath. Right, exactly. So where did this whole thing with belly buttons start? Well, belly buttons come from the umbilical cord. It's what feeds you when you're in utero. So like, they wouldn't have that. Right, because there's no point in it.

There's no point in it. So why would they have it? Just for aesthetics. So all the pictures that show them with, that show them naked with the leaves, thick leaves, it's totally inaccurate. sorry people had kids obviously yeah their kids had belly buttons

yeah their kids had belly buttons they had to yeah yeah because they were born from a woman right from a womb they came out yeah that's what I was saying well because I was like they weren't born from a woman though they were born from God God literally made them from the dust

well she didn't bird them but they were born of him true well I was could he had made them with belly buttons for the purpose that superficially well he could have but what's the point I don't know so that the kids

didn't feel uncomfortable I'm going to see Eve up in heaven I'm like let me see your your belly yeah and she's going

like obviously I don't have one yeah she's going to look at you like you're weird why would you why would I have one she's going to be the only one up in heaven

without a belly button and so is Adam Adam and Eve what if that's our glorified bodies what if we don't have them oh why wouldn't we though why would we

why would we right because you do now we're a new glorified body so a glorified body would mean that you can't have a belly perfect design i'm hoping i get abs i want abs oh my gosh can i just get rid of the flab that's true i i'm almost to the point of who cares about the abs just get rid of the flask remove the fat i just need the flab gone oh my gosh true whatever all right people well hopefully we see you well Hopefully for you ladies that come out tomorrow night,

I appreciate you coming and supporting me and supporting Faster Clover if you come out to Fort Myers. Otherwise, we will see you on Friday. And I think that's about it, girls. What do you say? Yeah, me. Let's say you. Let's say you.

Let's see you. I say, say you. Bye. Real talk.