The Hope Hotline - The Hope Hotline | Chit Chat

Episode Date: September 25, 2026

The Hope Hotline | Chit Chat

Real talk. The Hope Hotline. Thank you for joining us today. I'm Dominion. Representing. Yeah, I didn't have time to change my shirt, so I am representing. I mean, I'm not going to be honest because I was not planning on wearing this. I literally threw this on after I worked out today.

I'm wearing the same pants I wore yesterday. I told Tracy, I'm like, wearing the same pants I wore yesterday. I wasn't even to tell anybody. I'm going to tell it. That's how I roll. True. But. True.

True. I was like, and I haven't, I haven't slowed down yet. I mean, not that I haven't slowed down. It's just, I haven't had a second to change my attire. So I'm like, screw it. I know, but I'm wearing this. It looks good. I'm going. I match. At least I match. You do. It does. It does. My hair's greasy from my facial. So, oh, yeah. I did. And it was good. Always. But I'm greasy. So there you go. I didn't have time to wash my hair. I thought I was going to have time to do. do a lot. That did not happen. There's never enough time. Never enough time. Never. Ever. Okay.

Okay. All right. I hope. Get into it. Let, let, let, I don't know if I just, let us get into it. Okay. And it's not about the word, the Bible, or the too good to be true gospel. It's about Christians.

They say they're they're Christians, but they're not because they're having an affair. And then they murder. You know what he was saying? You know, we're talking about Caleb Flynn, who is on trial right now for not convicted, but presumed or on trial because people are, you know, I don't even know if they have circumstantial evidence outside of, well, they don't, outside of him saying he wanted or dead. I mean, that's pretty substantial. But they have no evidence that he actually did this. Right. So if you're not paying attention to Caleb Flynn, which is the one that was right after the Lindsay Clancy that we started talking about, it's gotten good people.

It is spicy. Okay. So here's my thing is he says to his mistress, who's 20 years old, heavily influenced. I was thinking about this. Like he's 36, she's 21, and she's an idiot because her front of law. lobe is not fully developed. He's the worship leader. She's on the worship team. And she's in love with him.

They're having an affair. But, I mean, let's think about that. 21 years old, a guy that is on the worship team that everybody ooze and ozano's over because he sings. And then on top of that, he was on American Idol. So you're sitting there going, that guy likes me. Well, let's look at him real close. And I would be like. Yeah.

But it doesn't matter. I know. I know. It doesn't. Big Jagger, come on. He got lots of women and yeesh. Fair. True.

That is one ugly dude. But women were chasing after him. I mean, there's a, Gene Simmons. Are you kidding me? Ew. Ew. Ew is right. But lots of women.

That's wild. When he took off his makeup for the first time? Yeesh. Yeah. Well, you would hope that those women, he, like, didn't take off his makeup. He left it on. He left it on. He had a better chance.

Golly. jeebers. But you know what kills me? And I was thinking about this. You know what kills me is, okay, so she, she's an idiot, but she's young. She's stupid. Right. I mean, so stupid. And probably somewhat naive to a certain extent. And she was enthralled with somebody that she thought, like, had some kind of influence. So that, like, he likes me. Oh my gosh. that if you think about it. But him, he's sitting there saying, I'd kill her, but I don't want to go to hell.

And I'm just sitting here going, you're committing adultery. Right. You're already going there. So, hello. I know. What are we thinking? That's bananas.

That's the part. Like, I like understanding why people think the way they do. And that is the area that I just can't understand because he knows. No, because if you are in the Calvinist mindset, like I have told you before. Like, if you're in the Calvinist mindset, I've literally have heard people say that it's okay, you said the sinner's prayer.

I've had people tell me that they were told, it's okay, you said the sinner's prayer when you were very young, and they were living in major, I mean, people don't consider like white lies or gossip, major sin. It's all sin, and it is major. They were living in, fornication, homosexuality, doing things that they absolutely shouldn't do.

But it was okay because they said the sinner's prayer. But murder is not. So they're going to heaven, even though they're doing those things. But murder's a whole different story, I guess. Okay, okay. Because I'm thinking if that's, I would love to know what Christian Life Center, their denomination actually is. It's non-denominational.

But I bet you if we looked up the message they preach, the message they preach is probably on sermons.com. Arc related or it's got a Calvinist, because Associated Related Churches is Calvinist. The people that write that, Craig Stevens, I think is what his name is, Life Church. He is Calvinist. Greg Greshel, right? Oh, Greg Grishell, thank you. I always go to Craig Stevens. It's not Greg Grissel.

Craig. It's Craig, right? Craig Grisheel. He is Calvinist. Stephen Ferdick is Calvinist. So you put that, if you're in Assemblies of God Church,

which is not Calvinist, they are Armenian. So they do believe you lose your salvation. But if you teach anything from sermons.com, you are like injecting into your bloodstream the Calvinist mindset. Hmm. the Calvinist teaching because they don't they don't believe you can lose your salvation and then

when you start preaching their stuff which lots of them do I mean we have 36 of them in the area that preach that stuff when you do that and you don't you're Armenian and yet you're teaching it and you're not saying that there is a deference then you are actually teaching them eternal security. So, but he must say if he, if he, um, he either didn't believe because he was having an affair that that was sending him to hell, but murder does.

Are he, you know, sin, like sin makes you stupid. It does. You're right. No, so he's 100% right. He could have thought, you know, I'm, which might have been the thing. Finally, it triggered in his head, I'm going to hell anyway. I'm committing adultery. So I might as well just kill her. I mean, what's the if? Maybe. I've already done the dirty. Might as go a little bit dirtier.

That's crazy. I know. I mean, think about that. When people cross the line sexually speaking, when people start breaking those walls down, what happens is they do a little bit. That's true. Then they do a little bit more. That's so true. Then they do a little bit more until they're finally like, I've gone this far.

Like, what's the difference? That's what they think. And so they're just like, well, let's just do it because I'm not going back. It's what it is. And you kind of get to the point that you think you can get away with it too. And you're desensitized by the whole entire thing. So it's pretty wild people because when I left my car, I was telling the girls, when I left my car, the trial was live. I was listening to it live.

And he looks like he has lost like 40 pounds from what he was. He is a shell of a human being. Literally. He's scared to death. Mm-hmm. His eyes, he doesn't look like he has slept a wink in months. Like he has got dark circles. The dark circles are like, I wouldn't either.

If I was on trial for murder. And having to listen to all the text messages and the AI music. And the videos of him and the 911 call. Like all this, this is like torturous. Okay. the 911, like, so fake. His reaction. It's so embarrassing.

Let's talk about the songs. Okay, let's talk about them. Should we talk about, we're going to make it brief as brief as possible. But you guys need to be in on the whole thing and you need to catch up. We're going to catch you up. Because we're not going to let other Christians end up in the same exact spot. No, absolutely not. We have to save them from them.

We have to save everybody. Nobody else. You guys need, am I kidding you, there will be a Netflix on this. Oh yes. There will be a Netflix on Lindsay Cleansy. Guaranteed.

A hundred percent. There is so much like, there is so much. Netflix doesn't even need to do a search. Like it is just being poured out, right? So easy. In real time. Being handed to them.

Literally. Real time. Yeah. So do we want to start with the mistress on the stand or do we want to start with the singing, the songs. Singing, singing, the sing songs, the sing songs. The two songs.

Oh my gosh. Which note were they in? Because the FBI agent was like trying to explain. Like one's in a low, I think they're in two different notes. I'm like, what? What? One's like a hat, key. Yeah, maybe he said key.

Did he say key? He said something. And I was like, what are you talking about? He's like, I'm not a music professional. But what was like a little happier and one was a little more sad? Oh my gosh. But man, that was rough watching. that.

And watching the people behind him. Yes. All the people behind him. I came from the corner of their eyes. Like what's going on about? And not laugh. I know.

Oh my gosh. So many people trying not to laugh. You know, he actually does have a pretty good voice. That was AI. Wait a minute. That's not his voice. No. I thought that was his voice.

No. These are AI. No. They said he wrote them or supposedly wrote them. So he had, I thought it was him singing them. No. Are you sure? Yes.

Well, he's a professional singer. So I'm confirming. I was pretty sure he didn't write them though. I was like, I don't think he wrote these songs. The song was played in court where AI generator recordings. Caleb was not singing the vocals you heard. That makes it even worse. I know.

Well, that's what I thought the whole time. Like, this is so embarrassing. I mean, it was embarrassing before. I was embarrassed for him before. Yeah, no, he did not sing that. Why didn't he sing it? He's a flipping professional. singer. Because he had to do it very quickly because he had to love bomb her because she said like

prove to me that you love me. I know. Are you kidding me? So many things. So many. Film himself in the house. Yeah. Like yelling. And yelling her name. And I love Alia. Yeah. To prove to prove that his wife wasn't in the in the room or in the house at the time. She would have him do all sorts of things. He's an idiot. I know. Well, both of them are idiots. something come on let's face it so wait a minute so she said prove to me yes that no one's in the house with you and he would have to I heard him I heard him I heard him yelling I love Alia and he would have to film himself and say I love Alia ew that would give me such like like like like that is so gross 100% and that he did it oh yeah double it oh yeah no I'd been like

oh my gosh you're like but she wouldn't let him say like happy Valentine's say or happy birthday to Ashley. She was very controlling. Yeah. Yeah. And then they went on a cruise together and she was so upset and was like, you're going to have to make this up to me. I'm breaking up with you.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, crayos. That was Tudy's favorite word in 2020. It was crazy and chaos together. Who's she? Allison. Oh, my gosh. She said Krayos in 2020.

So funny. This is it. That's the word. Oh, no. Okay. So she probably was the catalyst. and she knows it. Oh, yeah.

And pushed him. That's one of the reasons why what I've seen is, are some people thinking that she played a part in this? And maybe it's going to be held accountable for it. She needs to be. I wonder. I wonder if she will be. And that's one of the reasons why she was crying. Yeah. I wish I hadn't said this.

Yeah. No kidding. I want her dead. Her Google searches after? No, I don't know about that. Like how many unsolved murders in this area or something like that? Yeah. Yeah, something about like how to get away with it basically.

Pretty much. Because she said like, oh, well, I thought when he said today was the day, was like the day he's going to break up with her. But her searches. Don't indicate that. Don't indicate that at all. And for a year, they said basically like back and forth. I wish she was dead.

I wish she was dead. I hate her. I hate her. And so I asked my mom because she was kind of paying attention earlier. I was like, what do they, why do they hate her so much? supposedly Caleb said that she cheated on them two years ago, two years prior to this. So, but there's no evidence of that. But that supposedly is why they like had such deep hatred towards her.

Bologna. I know. But I was like, why do you hate her? Just break up with her. Oh my gosh. Some of the comments on these videos are of women. Like, if you want my man, you don't have to kill me. You can take him.

Like, take him. Yeah. It's like, that's me. Like if you want my man, like don't kill me. Oh my God. Well, especially if he wants her. Right. If you want him and he wants you, well, I don't even care.

If he's having an affair with you. Yeah. You don't have to kill me. You don't have to kill me. I'll walk. I will leave peacefully. Yeah, I'll walk. That's not a problem.

You'll never see me again. Literally. What that. And I'll be happy. I'm not kidding you. Oh, I believe it. We've had these conversations. I'll live my best life.

And you can live yours. I won't even ask for a dime. You can have it all. I don't care. I'll restart and build my whole life up. God will bless my socks off. I don't care. They're it in.

Exactly. But my goodness, gracious. And then mom said one of the newest things today was that supposedly the day of the murder. So in the afternoon at some point, a door salesman came a knock in on the door. And she was like, I guess, like, freaked out or just like kind of unsure about this person. So I have a feeling. So he's saying that that happened? No, I think it was in the text messages they recovered from Ashley's phone that she

text him and said somebody just showed up at our door. So I don't know if the defense is going to use this as like a who was this guy. Nobody knows who he was. But I looked it up and they had some kind of blink camera system. Was there anybody there? We don't know yet. But they said the FBI was able to grab evidence from the blink camera. So we'll see.

Because that was the problem is that the dogs who did above and beyond everything, they couldn't find any evidence of anybody leaving the home after the murder. So that means the murderer was still in the home is basically what they're saying. There was no evidence of anybody fleeing. They looked at bike trails. They looked in like groundhog holes. They looked everywhere. And the dogs always went back to the home.

They couldn't find a trail out of the house. The door frame was only destroyed from the outside, I think. is what it was. And they said the door swung wide open. So like there was just too many things that that's why I ended up getting arrested. There was too many things that didn't make sense for an intruder. Interesting. But there's no gun. Well, he had one in his console. He did. That can't be found. Right. But it can't be found. Where did it go? The intruder. The intruder took it out of his truck. I think that's what he said. And the intruder knew exactly where his gun was. But if they could just get that smoking gun.

Dude. But it does. This is going to be an interesting one because what do you do when there is no, like there's like, of course, like they're going to say that too. Yes, he was a terrible husband. Yes, he said terrible things about her, but that doesn't mean that he killed her. That is true. I know. But here's the thing.

Okay. And this is going to probably take off some women when I say this. But you are not going to see any men. liberal or conservative trying to fight for this guy to keep him from now of course he's not saying he was insane so that's a whole different thing but no he's saying he didn't do it right which lindsay said she did do it and she was insane so it's kind of a different whole different thing true true but i guarantee you there won't be anybody crying and putting a plea out there for him and even If they find him guilty, nobody's going to, like, try and help him out.

No. I didn't do with Scott Peterson. Even though Scott Peterson, like, that is, like, I think it all, like, me and Tom were like, oh, he did it because nothing adds up. But they have nothing on him. They have nothing on the guy. I was too young for that one. Me too. Did he end up going to jail?

He's in Alcatraz. Oh. Oh. Isn't it Alcatraz? Look him up. Like, I think maybe nobody's in Alcatraz. I think he's in some, I mean, he's in a big name prison. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Like, he's remarried. Some idiot married the guy. Oh, my. There's some women that love this stuff. They love it. Like, you've got to be nuts. He is currently incarcerated at Mule Creek State Prison in California.

He no longer is on death row. Right. San Quentin. San Quentin. That's where he was. He was transferred from there. So he was there. Yeah. San Quentin.

I knew it was some big name. But Alcatraz isn't open open anymore. How do you get off the death penalty? Because I think appeals, the appeals process. And there was probably something that in the appeals process that they proved he didn't get a fair trial to some extent. But it's not enough to have a mistrial or not to not acquit, but whatever it is to make you have to go back to trial. So it says his death sentence was overturned in 2020 because of problems with jury selection

during the penalty phase. And his conviction for killing Lacey Peterson, the unborn son Connor were not overturned. He was resentenced in 2021 to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Was that also an affair? He was having an affair. He was. He had an affair, which is so funny because they keep, her name was Amber Fry. And they use Amber Fry next to who was the one, was it?

It's this girl, this Aaliyah girl and said one was innocent because she didn't know. And Aaliyah absolutely knew that he was married. And so one is innocent and actually did the right thing. And then you got this hoe right here who was a homewarker. Like a literal. And then trying to be innocent. lead to worship. That is the other part.

Well, when you only have to sing three songs and the Holy Spirit doesn't have to be in the room, it's really easy. Oh, yeah, I guess so. There's no anointing. It's like we're going to get a lot of people in, and then we're going to get them out, and we're going to bring the next set of cattle in,

and then get them out, and then we're going to get the next set of cattle in because you're only a number. Really, that's what most churches are, services are nowadays. You're a number, like at a doctor's office, let's get you in, get you out, let's take your money and move on. It's got nothing to do with the business.

It's got nothing to do with the Holy Spirit, any anointing, any moving of revelatory biblical knowledge. It is all about a business and finances and budgets. And then hopefully somebody gets saved and they, somehow, some way through a whole lot of saying nothing, grow in their walk with God. But we're not saying none. I mean, most people can't say that that's what they see. No, right.

Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. That's how you are able to do all that. But the truth is, is all of us, well, I don't know if all of this is, me, I've gone to two churches. One, the pastor was having, an affair. And he was preaching. I know. That's true. He's preaching a fairly strong word. The church

was growing. Yeah. But he was living like the devil and his staff was leaving because they found out about it. And then they said nothing. I mean, how is that possible? Like, what are you doing? but he got like as he i think the church did grow but he water kept he continuously to water down the message i ended up leaving after well i left because i dated both of his sons and oh yeah that'll do it and then he had the affair and i was like yeah i'm out of here and then my youth pastor at the new next church i went to had multiple affairs was hitting on on me and yeah and um i was so naive that i didn't realize it until i was told that was happening but then i also went back and started thinking i'm like holy crap he was hitting on me he was doing

stuff you should never do so i know he had multiple affairs at at not only that church but he had affairs at the churches that he left that church for and was pastoring. He was the lead pastor and he was having affairs on his wife. Not good. Man, the devil doesn't have new tricks. So it happens in Pentecostal ones. Oh, yeah. But I will say, I mean, is the anointing there?

No. The anointing wasn't at the one where the pastor or lead pastor was having the affair. He was preaching a strong word. Don't get me wrong. But there was the anointing. because as soon as his worship leader left, that anointing left. But the worship leader, I think, left. I don't know how soon after he found out that the guy was having the affair.

Because I think he walked in. And then he left. Like, he should have said something. Maybe he did. And I was so young and stupid. But I don't think so. I think my dad was on the board at the time. My dad knew nothing about it until it was exposed.

by the husband of the wife that he was having an affair with. It always comes out, but usually once it comes out, it spreads like wildfire. So I would assume that you probably would have heard. Yeah. That's crazy. And I'm sure I'll be getting a text from my mother telling me what parts I got right and what parts I got right. Yeah. It's always too.

I know. We all have our own perspective. Yeah. Well, no, she always tells me, just this is how it, I'll get a text. Just so you know, or it doesn't say just so you know, well, this is how it. actually was. This is what happened. Or like if I don't remember something, she'll text me and tell me what it was.

Oh. I feel like that's how I'm going to be as a mom. You know, but to my adult children. They're like, actually, let me tell you. Let me tell you all about it. They don't want it. Trust me. They're like, it's okay.

You don't need to tell me. I'm good without knowing that. And she'll keep going. Yeah. Vanessa will keep up. My mom would keep going. going because you guys are your own people exactly you'll do what you want to do and we all have to we all have to eat it like hello who cares old enough that you know what you don't even care who cares

listen do you think i'm going to listen to my kids like if my kid just said that i'd be like i'm still texting it and i'm still doing it so forget it get over yourself that's how i feel and my mom probably will be like that too and i'll probably get a text afterwards as you should miss narma yes you should i don't blame her doing what you're doing. So yeah, that's pretty crazy stuff. But that's what happens when, I mean, the gospel has been watered down so much that people in leadership, they literally don't care.

I mean, you- Zero fear of God. Zero. Zero. That's one of the reasons why Tom has strict rules about, I mean, if you are on staff here, you better not, we better not ever hear about you drinking alcohol, ever. in private or in person. It's not happening if you're on staff. Yeah.

It's not happening. Mm-hmm. Because you represent Foundation Church. You represent Tom and you represent God. True. And that is opening the door. Where's my shoe? It is opening the door to some bad ju-ju.

It really is. You start to compromise. If you're going to compromise in one area, are you going to compromise? Oh, yeah. Maybe you won't compromise in other areas, but it opens the door. It happens. Oh, yeah.

If you, if we have lots of single people on the worship team. If you were, if you were doing stuff you shouldn't be doing on the worship team, you're gone. I don't care if you're the best one up there. Yeah. You're gone. For the record, I stepped down on my own. That's true. We didn't ask you to leave.

You all. Could you imagine? Yeah. Yeah. It's a rumor start. And we haven't ever really had to do it because if I think, people because I think people struggle so I'm not saying that this has happened when I am saying is if it happened and we found out about it we would confront it and then you have the opportunity to fix it get it right and then prove yourself yeah I think that's fair but if you're going to live like that you're gone you're gone it's out because you're you're affecting the Holy Spirit and the move of the Holy Spirit it is a cancer a little leaven leaven's the whole lump that's just the truth it is the way it is. But I, I mean, I was just told about somebody who went to a gathering of a, from a pastor of a very

large, not the lead pastor, one of the pastors of a very large church in the area. They went to a gathering. And at that gathering, one of the pastors from that very large church was there and just drank one beer after another. One beer after another right in front of them. Which, listen, expose yourself. It's better that everybody knows instead of you hiding it. 100%. Yeah. Because I've been with somebody who went to who I was friends with, somewhat friends with.

I mean, they were head of the women's ministry of a very large church in Sarasota. And they drank and then they would take the women away out of town. they could all drink because they didn't want to do it in public. I'm like, if you're going to do it, whatever, you know, whatever you're doing in private, you should be able to do in public. Otherwise, don't do it. There's a reason you're hiding it. Yeah.

Right. True. It's not good. Mm-hmm. It's not good. You can't do those things. You can't. So it's crazy, though.

It's crazy. Mm-hmm. That is. But you're, but that church is eternally. secure so you can be drunk. You can be a drunkard and go to heaven because you said they're sinners. But don't murder. Don't murder. Drink, adultery. That's fine. That's fine. Because you'll be forgetting. Homosexuality. The line is murder. Do not murder. You can gay. You can gossip. You can lie. You can get drunk. You can fornicate. But murder is absolutely not an option.

That is not going to happen. Not on their watch. I think Caleb's our age, too. I think he's like 41. No, well, he was 36. When it started. When it started. And I think it was a two-year affair.

Okay. And it was for two years. So he's 38 because it happened in February. But he was born on May 13th. How do I know all of this? Because I just listened to the trial on my way here. And those things were actually talked about. Like, look at like, he looks like.

he has had a long, hard life. He looks like he's been through the ringer. He looks like he's been through the ringer. And that's what sin does. Yep, it sure does. You know? Can you imagine, and I thought this to myself, can you imagine being married to him for two years?

Can you imagine what that was like for her? Like everything, she goes from them being on him and being on American Idol, which he was, I think this was his first affair. I don't know if that for a fact. So she went from him saying all these beautiful, loving things about her to now basically being considered a nuisance. Like she's in the way.

They used to call her a douche. They referred to her as douche in their text message. It's so mean and so unkind. It's also so weird because like they would say that And then they'd be like, you know, get rid of douche. And then they'd be like, I love you so much. You're so beautiful. You're so amazing.

And I'm like, reading the text messages, I'm like, this is so weird. Like, I don't know. Not normal. It's, it. But again, like you said, she was 21. Like, I mean, obviously not every 21 year old is like this stupid. But she's a manipulator. She's, she was a master manipulator.

And he was stupid and he was stupid. And he was manipulative too. Yeah. So, yeah, exactly. Both of them. Both of them were. They would like, yeah. Yeah, they'd love bomb each other to the, like, point.

And then all of a sudden they'd, like, they got to reach that game. And then somebody would fall. And then they'd have to love bomb the other one up. And then they'd fall. And then it would just go back and forth all the time. Well, that's what those games do. Like people get married playing those games. Ew.

All the time. No. I mean, people get married with this tumultuous, but they think that that's what love is. And what it ends up happening is, you end up always be looking for the very, because you never feel enough like you're enough. So you're always looking for something you can catch them in so they can, they are forced to love bomb you. Because of your, you know, life becomes normal again.

So you don't have that excitement and you don't have that person, ooey-gooey over you. So you want to get mad at them so they'd have to make it up to you. Do you know what? That's the games. I know exactly. That's the games people play. And then they get married. And then they wonder why they don't have a successful loving marriage.

You know what I would do in those situations? What would you do? Tell me. If that was me. And I got married. Well, I don't know. Well, probably when I was younger, absolutely. I was so stupid.

And I got in the most ridiculous stupid relationship ever. Probably worse than anybody in, like, I'm an idiot. that's to God's honest truth. That relationship proved how big of an idiot I realized. Not so much anymore, but boy, oh boy, was I an idiot. Here's the thing. If that was my marriage today, and I married somebody that I was doing that with, I would not play the game anymore.

I would just be consistent in being faithful to that person and being and honoring and loving them in spite of, And I wouldn't love bomb. Right. But I would be consistent in just being the person that God's called me to be. And if they change, great. But if they don't change, I'm good because God is one, number one. And I'm being faithful and being the wife that God's called me to be.

Outside of that, there's no feelings. Yep. And you think, like, nobody probably wants to actually live like that. It's just something that they're familiar with. Right. If somebody breaks that cycle, you would think that probably, I mean, without the God factor, that actually there would be a change because nobody can enjoy that. You just, you do it.

And then the other person reacts. And it's just a bunch of two people that are reacting all the time. And they grow accustomed to it. And it's drama. Right. Right. And the excitement of it feels good. But after a while, it's like, it's too much.

You can't even sustain it anymore. Right. It's not, yeah, it's not sustained. anymore because it's the constant and then you become fragile in that relationship because you're always like on eggshells like what if I say this what if I do this I'm going to make them mad then I got to do then I got to pick up the pieces I mean it's a constant there's so just like being that steady stream removes all the equation out of it that makes the game out and then you model the behavior that you want to see right and the hope is that they would catch on yeah I mean

some relationships and people will go, that's not possible. It is possible because I do this already with some relationships. I have to do it with some relationships, regardless of what the response is from the other individual. I mean, in life, if we think about it, we have relationships where we have to live this out. The problem is it seems unattainable because it's with the person that you've committed your life to. So they, there's going, you're going nowhere. right the other people in life you're like they can come they can go it's not going to really break any covenant so when they go see you but and i know it it there people will say there there's a difference there is a difference and i get it but if you practice it enough that even with the

person that you love the most it's doable yep because even them in life they're going to tick you off Like you're going to have to not respond. You have to learn. The Bible says to do nothing with quarreling and arguing. Yeah. Or complaining. You have to learn that behavior. And your marriage will be truly successful.

I'm not saying that there won't be times that you're sitting there going, I can't wait for the season to be over. Because there are seasons that it's not as, like, it's very hard for me to talk about it. because I don't live a tumultuous marriage. Okay? But have there been times in my marriage that I've been like, I can wait for this season to be over? Like, it's not like what we normally experience or whatever.

But in comparison to what everybody else, they'd be sitting there going, I kill to have that season every single day. Well, for me, like, that's not good enough. For me, that season should never exist, what should always be consistent is what I know, what is biblical. And even though there's no meanness, there's no unkindness, I was just saying this to somebody who was, because Tom was talking to somebody and he was like, man, I've been in a really bad mood

for a week. Okay. Well, I knew he was in a bad mood. But Tom is, he never, he's super quiet. When he's in a bad mood, he's very, very quiet. And he's not mean. he's just very to himself, which might be hard for some people, but if you're married to somebody who's barking at you and taking it out on you

because they're in a bad mood so everybody's going to have to deal with them, you'd pay for somebody who's just quiet. You'd be like, that sounds like a piece of cake. It is a piece of cake. But another person was saying that they were in a really bad mood. And I'm like, as long as you don't take it out on other people and you keep it kind of contained, then it's something that the person you're married to

can actually handle. It's not ideal. It's a season they are like, I can't wait for them to get past this. But at least it's like, it's not affecting me really. But when you start taking it out on other people, then it's affecting them. So you've got to like,

those are the seasons for me. I'm like, I can't wait for that season to be over because he talks and talks and talks and talks. And I love the, that's what I'm talking about. Jeff gets really quiet too. And there was this one time where he got really quiet for a longer. A longer period of time than I'm even like used to. And so I remember going into his office and I sat down and I go, he laughs about this now.

I go, it's okay, you can tell me you're having an affair. You did not. Yes, I did. Oh my gosh Vanessa. You're flipping kidding me. That's freaking funny. We can work through this. We can, you know, we can get help, you know, whatever it is.

Thank you. Gosh, Vanessa. Vanessa, that's freaking funny. That's the best. He's like, what are you talking about? He's like, I'm letting my words be few right now. Like I'm trying to honor God in the mood that I've in. See, and that's a profound thing for many people because they don't see it like that.

What happens is, is what he was doing was actually what the word tells us to do, but people feel like they got to be true to themselves. They got to like, if they feel it, they got to say it. You don't because a fool errs all its thoughts. A wise man is slow to speak, slow to be angry. But when you, like, when you're used to your person talking all the time. Right. Yeah.

And they kind of withdraw a little bit. And I was just like. What the what? I went I went immediately to the worst case in there. That's flipping funny. I love you knew you didn't do anything wrong. You immediately assumed and Jeff did something wrong. Oh yeah, it wasn't me.

It was definitely not you. Not me. Like I might be like, what did I do? Why are you so mad at me? No, I was like, you're having an affair and we can get through it. Oh my gosh. You know what I highly suggest the next time you feel like that? Put that scarf on with that shirt and say, I'm your airline stewardess for the day.

the exits are here and here which one do you want to go to the bedroom in vanilla i might i might do it you're historicist for the night oh my gosh my gosh i keep looking at you and i'm like she looks like a flipping airline stores oh man i'm trying to be shiek or 50s i feel like either you're in the 50s i'm trying to be chic all the young girls are doing it i know i told you they're coming back and i guess if you're a certain age it only it goes straight to stewardess and not she Amen. No. No.

Or what is the woman, the neck lady from COVID? She, Barbara Burke or not Barbara. What was her name? I don't know her name. But she wore our scarf all the time because her neck was turkey. So she had to hide it. My girlfriend in Emerillis. Yes.

In Connecticut. Because I posted on Instagram and she's like, are you hiding a hickie? Oh my gosh. Somebody asked me that. No. I'm like, First of all, I'm married. I know.

Married people are too. But that just goes to show you people your age aren't wearing them either. Quite possibly. Okay, we're bringing it back. No, I don't think you should. We're new to that. Listen.

Are you both over 40? Are you both over 40? Barely. That's who's wearing on. It doesn't matter. Are you both? Mentally or physically? No.

I haven't seen any 20-year-old wearing one. Are you seeing 30-year-olds or late 20s? I look like I'm 20, so that's very hard. No, no, no. I'm just telling you. What you got to do is, listen, this girl is one year from 60. And when I turn 50, and when I turn 40, everything changes as far as attire. Really?

Embrace the face. I think these are, because it's called the granny scarf. So I think we can, I'm almost a granny. So I think I can wear it. Okay. You aren't almost a granny. You don't even have a married child yet. And three weeks.

Okay. Oh my gosh. And they're not going to not try to get pregnant. True. She'll be pregnant on their honeymoon just like Vanessa. I'm going to be granny Tracy very soon. So I can wear the granny stars. No, you're not going to be a granny.

You need another name than that. I know. We got to work on that. Oh my gosh. You're going to be a grandmother before. I'm a grandmother. 100% I am. Thank you, Jesus.

Thank you, Jesus. 100%. Because Tommy just told me like the plan. Oh. And it's for a while. And they're both in agreement. It's for a while. Okay.

So God loves me. Watch Norma. I'm sick. Watch Norma pop up with some guys so soon. One year from now. Tie in the knot. Just saying. Listen.

I am not. This is, I told Tommy, I'm like, listen, I know I'm going to be 60. And I know the average person is a grandmother in their 50s. But I don't care that I'm dead. And they're going to be like, where's grandma? She's dead. What? And like, they're going to be young and it's okay.

Oh my gosh. I'll be dead in my 90s. No, you're not. Like in their 20s. I'm not. Tom is, he's going to marry somebody else because I just don't want to be here. My 90s, I'm good. I just don't want to be here.

I don't want to be here in my, in the one. hundreds. There's nothing for it. What if you're in really great shape? Because you're getting in such great shape right now. I don't care. I want to see Jesus. Jesus is way better than living in my hundreds. Like he, like I don't hate, I don't hate people like Tom does and want to prove to them that they're so wrong. I know. I know. He doesn't hate people. He hates the theology. That's the reason why. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I don't, I don't have anything to prove. I don't. Okay. Just. Give me Jesus. Just give me Jesus.

I see like first grandbaby. She's going to be such a wreck. Oh, yeah. I was listening. She's a sister Brinley. Yeah, I was going to say I literally. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to be in big trouble.

Yeah. Yeah. Because like I just got, I just got told like I, those squishies and stuff like that, I sent them to Brunley because there's a big rack at Ace Hardware. Like, like so many squishies. people. No way. And I sent them to her. And so, and I sent them to Heather too, because I was like, they're squishies. They're squishy. My girl likes squishies. And she saw me, she goes, mom says, I can't have any more squishies. And I said, listen, girl, I don't know what we're

going to have to do, but we're going to have to find a work around around that. Because we've worked around other things before. There's an advent calendar of just squishy. I know. Everybody's looking for that. My sister-in-law is like, if you find one, I'll pay you so much money for it. Well, here's the thing. They're not on the TikTok shop? No. Well, she got scammed, but I did send it to everybody, and I'm not saying anything in case somebody's watching, but I'm just saying. I totally got scammed last year. Do you know the little tiny, like, they're like little cute animals, but they're very squishy. They're just teeny tiny. That's what was in them. But they were supposed to be like needos and all these things. That's not what I sent you though. No, no. That was different though, right? The one you sent is different. Okay. But I got something very similar to, it was like the newest thing. And I.

got that for Allison and she opened them. She's like, oh, wow, these are cute. I'm like, no, they're supposed to be needos. And they were like, it was like 50 bucks last year. Goodness. She's like, I don't like needos. I like schozy. Yeah, she wanted like the actual, like, they're supposed to be like the brand name and they were just like the Amazon like little tiny like animals that were like $3. I was like, it's not going to work. It's not going to work. It's not going to work. So I don't know, like I am a sucker. Like that's, that's for sure. Yeah. When you love who I love. You do. That's for sure. That is for sure. That is for sure.

That is for sure. But. No, no buts. It'll happen. And then when it will, you'll be like, oh, yeah. I take it all back. No, I won't take it all back. I'll be very happy that I became a nanny at the age that I became.

Yeah. Otherwise, no. Well, that's happening. But I found out that I can actually, Brinley said I could share her name that she has for me with Tommy and Norma's kids. That was crazy. I could not believe it. Like, you could, like, literally, you could have knocked me over.

Me too. Because I thought for sure, because Norma won't let me share anything with her children or Tommy's children. Oh. No, that was hers and that's not happening. And Tom. And Brinley was so upset when Allison wanted to call you that. Yeah. And so I was like, there's no way.

That's your name only for Brinley. And then she's like, no, I don't care. It's for Norma's kids. I literally almost fainted. I was shocked. Because, again, she's way nicer than Norma. Norma literally will not let her children get the same things done to her kids that we did with her. She's like, no, that was mine.

I'm like, so your dad can't play, like he did a bouncy girl thing. He had a song. And I'm like, Brunley was not allowed to have it, even though Tom did it anyway. She was very upset. But I'm like, your dad can't do bouncy girl with your own kid. No, that was mine. I'm like, you need help, girl. Yeah, we'll see.

We'll see. Once the baby comes. We'll see. But yeah. Sucker. All right. 12 minutes. We're going to try and finish what we started because we haven't even done anything.

It's Friday. It's Friday. And these are Christian people that we have been dealing with. I don't care. Christian, whatever. They say they are out in the earth. They proclaiming that they are Christians from a stage. So we need to make sure that we put out what we put out what we're.

we feel like about this because we are also Christians and so we can judge one another. Exactly. Exactly. We do judge. So we're not going to pretend that because other people like all these Christians probably don't even care. No, we do. No, we absolutely. We absolutely care. And we're absolutely very upset with us. Giving us a bad name. Don't call yourself something if you can't live in it. So I was saying this to somebody. I'm like, they, they were saying, I don't remember how it was said something along the lines of. like not these particular people, but people in general who claim Christianity,

they don't know any better. I'm like, no, they do know better. Because what being a Christian means is you have Christ as the first, you know, five, what is it, five letters, six letters. So Christ is the first part of Christian. That means you're to be Christ-like, little Jesus is. We all learn this. at the very, what we call ourselves is actually him.

Right. So how are you going to say that not this person wasn't saying that he was like, I think it was a guy. It was like, maybe they don't know. And I'm like, not to look like Jesus? Not to act like Jesus? I don't think so. How do you not know that? You're calling yourself the very thing that his name is.

I just. I know. I know. It's you don't care. It's a label. It's a title. And it means absolutely nothing to you. That's why.

Mm-hmm. Yep. But if you are, it's like some people are presidents, vice presidents, and they don't act like them. Mm-hmm. That's all this is. Right. True. You haven't earned that title.

Right. You just climb the ladder, never really earning the title. That's this. And it just drives me nuts. Right. And make sure you're not, you know, a Christian just by label either. Like, examine your shirt. yourselves true like yeah do you harbor unforgiveness do you gossip like do you the you may be not

murdering or having an affair but are you doing other things that would you know yeah send you straight to hell yeah you know it's so funny because my cousin when she was going to dental hygiena school yeah she worked really hard and she said I think she said I think this is how the conversation went somebody was like saying you know you don't have to work that hard or whatever, you don't, like, have to be the best. And she was like, who wants to go to the dental hygienist with the lowest grade point average? Like, no, I do have to work that hard because if I'm going to do it, I need to be the best at it. Well, that's the thing with Christianity. Like, who wants to go to the Christian that's barely getting into heaven? Or who, to

to have them, like, help them. Or who wants to look at that as their example? Probably a lot of people who want to have one foot in the world and one foot in Christianity, but that's lukewarm. So good luck with that. But we all should be the one that wants the highest grade point average in our Christian walk. So that we're stellar. And so that, like, when you earn that diploma, people were like,

dag, did you see what her grade point average was? She worked hard. She, you know, like, earned that degree. That's what we should be doing with our Christian walks. We should be like, people should be like, man, I want what they have. Like, they don't settle. They, like, go for it. Exactly.

That's not what we're seeing today, though. And that's the difference between tradition and religion and then transformation. Mm-hmm. That's very true. Yeah. But you're seeing a lot of people, a lot of Jinziers and young. younger millennials leaving Christianity, evangelical, charismatic. They're leaving it and going to the tradition.

Right. Because they're finding no substance in that because there is no substance in it. It's empty. It's empty. They're being taught like great swelling words of emptiness. Okay. So that's why they're feeling, they don't feel like there's any difference or change and who they were before it.

That's because you didn't really repent. When you really repent, you're going the opposite direction of where you were going originally. And you're being told that you can say you can believe and still be the same person. Like that's not how that works. I literally heard a pastor say, you don't have to change. You can come just the way you are. God doesn't expect you to change. He's going to change you.

No, it don't work like that. He tells you what he wants you to change and then you have to make the change. Like when he said to me, you need to stop cussing. He didn't take the words from my mouth. He pricked me. Then I had to make a decision not to say or to say that. Okay, you do have to change. It doesn't happen through osmosis.

Right. True. So now these people are leaving and they're going to religion because they find something in it that makes them feel good. Well, that is tradition. tradition of man that's like have you ever walked into something like tom says when he goes back to the catholic church there's like a familiarity there's like it's not there's a novelty to it like there's a special like feeling about it but it's not the holy spirit it's just the sanctity of

that religion okay but if you're not living sanctified and you're only walking to a building that has the sanctity of it, then it's no different. We do we. You're not going to, you can go to that very thing and still not change. It'll just make you feel like, wow, wow, this feels holy. They'll circle back. Yeah, for sure. I think they will because when I look at it.

The problem is they're circling back to a weak gospel. Okay, hopefully they don't circle back. Hopefully they try the next thing because I'm watching all these like new age witch people. None of them are going traditional Catholic. They're all going to the Bible. Like holiness. Yeah. Holiness. Right. Exactly. Because the spiritual stuff isn't like they already know that's real. It just was the wrong spiritual things. Yeah, wrong. Yeah, exactly. And so I think these people that are going over to Catholic, they're looking for tradition, not encounter. And then the new age people had an encounter with the wrong entities. And so now they're like, they met Jesus. They met something holy. And now they need to pursue holiness,

is the Bible. So some of these new age girls, most of them are girls that I see, they are so against the church because of the church that all these ones are leaving. And so they're all saying, like, you don't have to go to church. Like, you have to read your Bible. Like, we know that you have to meet with other believers, but it's not, you don't have to go into a building to do this because they're just teaching this, this and this. So it's so interesting. There is like this pull away from the church in different directions. That's not good either. No, it's not. Because we're, who's disciplining them. Right.

They say there's no accountability. That too. Right. So there's no iron sharpening iron. Yep. And supposedly they are, but they're going with other ones that also don't like church. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's just like the mag of people, like the ones that are such extremists.

Well, here are the other. Like I'm all about hearing both sides. Like tell me both sides. Let me make my own decision. And so it's, there is this weird pull. And they're the younger ones too. Most of them that I'm seeing like on TikTok. talker like I would say like early 20s um yeah probably early 20s and they're all coming out of like

witchcraft and stuff and uh that's why and they're not getting plugged into churches because they have this they it's they probably haven't found a like a holiness church like that they've gone yeah and they're going they're trying but they're like that preach the full gospel right right because there's not many left right there isn't that many you know the term full gospel isn't even used really anymore I didn't even know it was a thing until I came here. And I'm like, why does not everything call the full gospel? Like, that is so funny. You listen to Kenneth Hagan.

That's the term he uses because that was like even though it wasn't a denomination, when you went to full gospel, you actually knew it meant like everything in the word. Right. Everything in the gospels, the four gospels. Like so like you just knew. Like it was, go ahead. And those people can probably sniff out fake. Well, and they are, they're reading their Bible.

So when they're going to church and they're like, this isn't even what the Bible says. So they're like, why am I like he's manipulating what the word is? Right. And so they're leaving. And now they're like, you try so many different churches you eventually are like. I'm dead. No, I get that because when we first moved down to to Port Charlotte, we, we attended every single church. And until we, like I said, Foundation Church was the last one on our list.

And until we found Foundation Church, our last resort was, all right, then we're just doing church at home. Home church, right. I know. We're doing, we'll read our Bibles together. We'll pray together because I just, I couldn't stand being a part of a congregation, a body of Christ that just was weak. And we're not operating in the gifts. And yeah, literally. Yeah.

I just, we couldn't do it. no it's it's pretty wild but thankfully we walked in thankfully you saw that video I know so yeah and we're like it's an anglewood I know from where we were living it was a stretch for us well no I can tell you

well I can tell you I told Tom so many times I'm like I think being an ingled hurts us well but but I also would say but what is crazy to me is that people went out into the wilderness to see John the Baptist. I know. And they came in droves and people won't come to Englewood. I know.

Shame on me. Yeah, no. It's true. No, it's true. Yeah, when you try so many different churches, like, we were going to drive to the river. Like, we were ready. Like, every Sunday, we're like, we're just going to drive because we know they'll never close.

And then so Engelwood did was, but mine was more that it was such, it looked very small from Google photos. And I'm like, these small churches are weird. You're handling snakes. That's because we were small. I know, I know. And so it's like, I don't know about these small churches. I'd rather just get lost in a big church.

But I was like, let's just try it. Well, you're because you're a mother. I know. Oh, it's all my mom. When we first started coming to a foundation, it was even smaller. Yeah, that's crazy. What? 100 people?

Yeah, maybe 120. Yeah. We had just went through a really rough stuff. It might have been 100. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was itty-bitty, but there was just something like...

People would always come and they're like, how are you not bigger than what? I know, yeah, I thought that. Like, how is this not possible? I had that same thought. We were like, nobody knows about us. We don't know how to make that change because it wasn't like... Yeah, I never heard of you guys. And we were going everywhere too.

Like, I was Cape Coral, Fort Myers, Sarasota. We went up to all the way up to the Sarasota church up there. So, yeah, we were all over the place. The problem is, is you can only, I think God really spared us because Tom was working full time. Right. And he knew what we could handle. True. And yeah, should we have been bigger?

Yeah. But we wouldn't have been able to handle it. He didn't have the capacity for it. So he gave us what we could do and he's faithful in that. And there you go. There you go. Oh my gosh. We're going to go.

But I do have to tell you. this. I'm not going to tell you what it is, but I got one of the coolest from our healing class last night. We laid hands. We didn't. They laid hands on each other last night. And like the coolest thing happened. I got a text just, I don't know, an hour before I got here. And before I left my house to go get Culvers. I got the coolest text about something that happened from that healing class last night. Like, it's, it's amazing. So I can't wait for people to hear that hear about it on Thursday night.

But man, oh man. Good stuff. You just got to open the door sometimes. Well, we've, yeah, we've seen, like people, since the first week, people have actually laid hands on people and they've actually seen things happen. happened. Last night, though, was the first time they laid hands on each other instead of, you know, inside the church at a different time or somebody that they know, God told them, and then they saw the miracle or whatever. Excuse me. Last night was the first night, which I told them, you're going to get two times. We're going to get enough word in you, but by the third time, be ready. And I said, and half of you guys are going to go. I'll lose half of you from the first night. I said, I'll lose half of you because you won't come back because you're not going to want to do this. But that's what, This isn't a hub. It's a course.

Right. It's class. And we did. We've dropped, not half. Not half. It hasn't dropped in half. But it's dropped pretty significantly because that's the way the things are. But it's still over 100 people.

Still good. You were expecting six. I was expecting six. And listen, I don't care if we go down to six. Tara might cry. On the other hand, I can do a lot with six to ten people. I'll do a lot with the. people because God's in it. Yes. Right. But, well, like after last night, I can't wait to hear

what other people to say, but this person texted me and they were like, I mean, and it's good stuff. That makes me so happy. Oh, yeah. Me too. Amazing. So, amazing. So that's what this is all about. We will see you on Sunday. If not before then, because Tom's got his podcast tonight on live, Instagram. Thank you. Instagram and TikTok live tonight 8 p.m. Good, good, good, good stuff. You're not going to be able to see it on repeat. That's just the way it is. He's only doing them live. And that thing is growing. So that praise be to Jesus. So hopefully turn on and tune in tonight for his TikTok life. He was like up to 140 some of people last Friday. Gosh.

Live. Good. Incredible. So be there, be square. And we will see you. It like, or in person on Sunday. Such good stuff. Great worship. A little birdie told me that Kristen will be singing marvelous. Oh. On Sunday. Yes.

So you won't want to miss that. I listened. Listen, again, I don't want to offend. But we were out on the boat. Fishing. And I was, that song came on.

And the first time I heard it, I was like, I hope we don't sing this song. because I was like, I don't like, like, I'm sure the girl's nice, but she don't sing it that good. I heard. I, okay. Yep. Yep.

You agree? I totally agree. I was like, I was like, I don't like this song. I wish they would say it slower so I know what they're saying. Like Kristen, when she says the words, like, yeah, you can tell what she's saying. I don't like that girl's voice. I said, I said to Aaron, I'm like, she ain't that good. And he's like, uh, but it's Bethel though.

So God forbid you say one bad thing about Bethel because he's common. No, that's not true. I mean, he speaks truth about them. But I'm just saying he loves them. Okay. Yeah. And obviously she's good because, hello, she's the one in the recording. But I don't like her.

I don't think her voice is that great. Loads of people do, though. Kristen beats that chick by a mile singing that song. Oh, I agree. By a mile. I agree. I'm not prejudiced either because I'd be honest about that. Huh?

I don't think I've heard the original. I'll have to listen to it. Oh, you're not going to like it. I can promise you that. We have it on YouTube. Like, we have Foundation Churches marvelous on YouTube. So. So good.

So you can just listen to ours. Yeah, I'm telling you, you'll be disappointed. Well, you already have a good version, so you won't be disappointed. But I'm just, when you hear it, you're going to be like, they let that girl sing that song. They all try and sound like Jen Johnson, though. They all, like, literally all trying to sound like Jen Johnson. For me, God love Bethel.

They put out some phenomenal music. Yes, they do. Phenomenal. Yes, they do. But it almost is about, they all sound the same. They all sing the same. I'm like, I can't bear it anymore. I literally told Aaron, I don't want to hear any more Bethel.

Please, no more Bethel. Because it all sounds the same. True. It's like a formula that they use. Yeah. Yeah. And they have stuck to it and God bless them. They have knocked it out of the park.

but stick a fork in it I'm done I'm done I use that phrase I'm not the only one I mean like Tom's the one that's the one that's been like

okay let's I use that phrase not so long ago sticking a fork in it yeah but I was around teenagers they didn't not know what you're talking

and they had no idea what I was talking about okay that's why you can't wear the scarf okay that right there should tell you the scarf comes off

unless you want to be a stortist for the night. I'm just saying. That's your cute. That's your cute. Now we know. That's it. Pretty much.

That's how you know. I'll wear a scarf again. I will. Dendo. Sunday. Oh yeah, of course you are. Because like, again, like my mother, you won't care. Right.

What I say. And God bless you. That's the way it should be. Always hope. Oh, man. Like you think I care? No. And I love it when other,

and I love it when other people don't. People don't. I'm going to untire right now. She's taking it off right now because she does care. Give it to me. Don't care, Vanessa. Don't care. You be you, as Tracy would say.

She'll probably forget. Be the biggest arc person in the room. You be you. You be you. Whatever happens happens. But we're going to see you on Sunday. Yes, you will. Tune in or be there.

Because you will not be disappointed. Good stuff. And we love you. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for being with us. And it is a sin to kill somebody. so please no murdering this weekend. Bye.

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