The Hope Hotline - The Hope Hotline | S01-E10 | 02-17-23

Episode Date: February 17, 2023

Question #1How did you and Daniel meet?Question #2How soon after you got married did you go on your first Crusade with Daniel?Question #3You are a dietitian, correct? It’s amazing that you use your degree during Crusade’s. What does that look like?Question #4You and Daniel are expecting your first baby. Tell us how pregnancy has gone for you?Question #5You will still do Crusades with Daniel. Are you excited about this and what do you think that will look like?Question #6You have a Crusade coming up in Cape Town. Share with us the exact location, what the people are like, and how many you expect to attend?Question #7Bea, you have a great story about your wedding ring. Can you share that with us?

Real Talk. Real Talk. Real Talk. Real Talk. Thank you for tuning in to the Hope Hotline. Today I have my true official official. I know I had Jer on here. He doesn't count. He's a guy first of all. If you're a guy watching this you do count but in this instance like come on hello. Bia Dutoy. Did I say that right? That's fine yes. No I did not.

Bia. Say it to me. Dutwe. Bia Dutwe. Did I do that right? Oh, that's good. Yeah, that's good. Bia Dutwe with me. She's actually Foundation Church. Well, you know, I would say like not just Foundation Church, but you have a heavy presence at the river.

You have a heavy presence with Pastor Jonathan and Adalis with Revival Today, correct? Yes. So they are our South African missionary evangelists. Many, many crusades. How many crusades do you have under your belt right now? I'd have to count in my head before I can answer that question. Real quick. No, I'm just kidding.

Okay. What do you think approximately? Probably about 10, around 10. And how old are you? 10 to 12. I'm 25. 25? How many salvations?

Over 350,000. Okay, I'm 55. I'm probably, I don't know. If I say 200, that might be extending the number of salvations. I'm living vicariously through you that's a lot of salvations for a 25 year old it makes you take countenance of like what am i doing what am i accomplishing while i'm here on this earth um and what why i have her here is because um a lot of us need to step up our game and uh we need to be i'd say this all the time but us need to step up our game. And we need to be, I say this all the time,

but we need to be winning the lost and discipling believers. It's huge. It's a huge thing. That's what God brought Jesus to this earth, for him to not only provide salvation for us, but for others. And in order to make that that happen we have to make that happen so um there was a purpose and a plan behind jesus coming and if we're not doing that purpose and plan yeah then though you know uh there'll be less souls in heaven and really we should all care about uh winning the loss because that's really why we're here yeah um so i i wanted bia to come because she's actually uh quite interesting i love her that's another reason why um she's a

all the girls right all the girls in this room there's about one two three how many of us is there one two three four five six total of of us. She is now one of us. She's been here several times. And not several. I say a couple times she's been here. But I feel like it's several because I see her at the river all the time. So we see her all the time. But they're family.

They're family to us and super special. So I want you to see how special they are. And I want you to be spurred on and challenged and hopefully changed by their story her and husband daniel um to uh maybe take the mantle that they're carrying and apply it to yourself and and start doing what they're doing because and foundation church we support them as well as revival today they support you guys correct um like we're not all monthly people like we give monthly but all of us um support them to some extent the river church does as well um and if you so desire um when it's when she gets done we're going to make sure that you know where you can go and send and support them and their Crusades and their ministry abroad because listen every soul that they win actually I have 350

thousand myself yes because we support them that's right to our account so if you give to foundation church you're also winning the lost with them but we personally want to be a part of that too. So you personally, outside of Foundation Church, might want to support them too. It's a bigger picture. But super exciting. And I will say that she is how many months pregnant?

24 weeks. So that's six months. And my daughter and her friend decided to bring McDonald's into the room. The smell is wafting throughout here. What are you doing to a pregnant girl? I mean, come on. Oh, okay, Norma asked. All right, but I'm just saying.

It smells really good in here. It does. And I need to lose weight. So they should have considered me more so than consider her. She can actually gain right now. And she has an excuse. I need to lose. And McDonald's is killing me in here right now.

Oh, my gosh. Okay. So we're going to go on with our questions. Are you ready, girl? Yes. You're in the hot seat. Okay. How did you and Daniel meet?

That's interesting. Yes. Yes, it is. So we actually met in 2017, if I have it correct, through a mutual friend who introduced us to each other. And we just met. I'm Daniel. I'm Bia.

And I think we got each other on Instagram back then. And we never spoke again. We never spoke again for like a year. A year went by. How old were you guys? 18. 18. Youngins.

You can marry young and it be successful. Go ahead. Yeah, so then we didn't speak again for a year. And then it's, okay, I'll tell the whole story. So I was then a year later, I was busy with exams. So I studied dietetics. So it was exam time for me and then usually with exam time I delete all social media my Instagram my Facebook everything just study and just read

the word because if you try to do anything else then you're not gonna get to anything oh yeah so I actually deleted like my Facebook my Instagram everything I was studying at the desk I still remember where I was and I was like oh I want to download Instagram now I was studying at the desk. I still remember where I was. And I was like, oh, I want to download Instagram. And I was thinking, that's such a random, weird thought to have because there's a reason I don't have it on my phone right now. And I was like, whatever, I'll just download it. Downloaded Instagram, started flipping through the stories on Instagram. And then I saw Daniel's story.

He had a story up of a sunset. And in South Africa, it's a big thing to go watch the sunset so you'll always like get your friends together we go watch the sunset you have a nice coffee with the sunset or you have some pizza or whatever so it's like a fun activity to do so I just replied on that and asked hey where's the steak and it's so beautiful just because I was curious like I want to go there and see the sunset with the friends. So nothing was intended by it. Asked him and then he replied like, hi, how you've been? This is where the sunset is.

And then he went to go look at my Instagram and he saw pictures of the outreaches that I was doing to India. So he was thinking, wow, this is really cool. Obviously, afterwards I heard this part. He thought this is really cool. Another young person doing outreaches and doing the ministry like I wonder how she's doing this like I want to like meet up with her and chat about it so he replied to me hi you know how you're doing this is where the sunset is can we go out for coffee I can see by your Instagram that you love Jesus now let me ask you this did he like like you? When he sent that message?

Yeah, when he sent that message, did he like it? He was actually dating someone when he sent me that message. So I think his intentions was really pure. Like he was just like seeing like, oh, like this is a young girl and she's doing this mission work. I would love to like meet with her and like, yeah, because that time he was using his tennis because he was on the road to become a professional tennis player. So he was using his tennis because he was um on the road

to become a professional tennis player so he was using his tennis for the lord like evangelizing and wherever he would travel for the tennis to tell people about jesus he would get like crazy opportunities for church and yeah yeah okay gotcha that's awesome i didn't know that yeah yeah he was actually he was traveling somewhere for tennis and he was in a grocery shop and someone walked up to him and said, I'm a pastor of a church. I want you to come minister in my church. Like just like that. He was not knowing who he was or what.

Like the Lord just spoke to that person. Go right now to Daniel and go ask him to minister in your church. Yeah. So he has a lot of crazy stories like that. And that just goes to show you that your steps are ordered. Yes.

Like if you're supposed to be doing something, God will make a way to make sure it happens. Go ahead. That's awesome. Yes. Okay. So then we made up for a coffee and then we literally, he just asked me like, so how are you doing all these things?

And like, you know, like what are you doing with your life? And so I was just explaining, I was studying and doing the mission trips and I love the Lord and just like spending what the Lord's doing in my life and then he did the same and I was doing hospital ministry he was doing hospital ministry and he was also doing street evangelism so I was like oh can I join for that because I haven't done that before did you like him uh not at I won't say like obviously you're like oh this is a nice guy and he loves the Lord so this is like nice you know but not like oh let's like see because I actually um I had broken up with someone before that uh because I started praying and

asking the Lord was that my husband the Lord said no so I broke up with the person and then I asked the Lord I don't want to date someone again just to date like I want it to be my husband when it's next so my mind wasn't really thinking of, I want someone right now. I was just pursuing the Lord and everything that he had for me. And so this was just, yeah, I wasn't looking for something. And then obviously thought this is a really nice guy and he loves the Lord,

but I was just excited about the ministry. Like what? He goes into long street, which is like the party streets in Cape town, goes and minister days to people. I want to join. I want to be part of this. This was,

that was my heart. And then I think after that coffee, he was like, like okay he's breaking up with this girl that he's seeing i love it he's getting ready just came in his cheeks um but yeah so so he then broke up with the girl and then we started doing ministry together like hitting the hospitals and the streets and everything and um i think then it must have been soon after that i just came to a point where i was like okay lord is this now my husband because i can't be spending this amount of time with someone and like investing in a friendship like because you can't like like a lady and a man can't spend that much time together if this is not going

like that's true just that's what i think because I think the more time you spend with someone that's how feelings develop you know 100% I can never understand why people like like a girl and a guy would spend like hours on end like weeks on end with each other and they're like no no no no nothing we're just friends my son says that all the time Tommy's like no guy I'm like kidding you hey there's daniel we're gonna make you pop your head in just your head yeah you can pop your head in really quick daniel just said i didn't even see you come in dear that's what i was saying when i said he broke up with the girl he was getting some red cheeks over there oh i didn't see you saying there's daniel oh how sweet um that's what tommy says how he goes tommy says all the time no guy

no guy is ever friends with a girl just to be friends and all you guys that are saying that's not true you're liars apparently you're a liar my husband says the same thing he goes good guys aren't friends with girls just to be friends. They like her. That's the way it is. Or they see a potential future. Yes. And so you've got to figure that out.

And if there's no potential future, then you just don't even bother with them. Yeah. Like, what's the point? Yeah. You don't want to be friends with a girl. Until after you're, like, married. Then you're friends with guys and they're they're married but even that you got to be careful with because some guys aren't even

pure in that but okay so go ahead yeah so you pray yeah then i pray then i just had like a peace from the lord like i i really felt that this is my husband but i just felt like okay all i need to do now is i can just let go i don't have to worry like okay i can't be seeing him like three times you know a week for ministry like like i'll just now go go with it so i just had peace you know so then we just continued doing ministry together and he uh i think eventually he asked me out and we we were together and then a short well yeah okay that's how we made that's probably the end of the question of how we made yeah okay so after how long did you date before you um got asked to be uh engaged engaged i think it was about it must have been between three and six

months i'm not exact sure about the date that we started dating okay norma you're in the room right now do not get engaged in three to six months I might have a heart attack shut up Tracy of course you do your girls aren't ready to be married oh my gosh I understand they're beautiful my brother's speech at the wedding he started off with when they got engaged i wasn't even sure if they are dating i'll be still my heart oh my gosh okay so how old's your brother um he is 31 oh okay norma he's out 32 norma you can't date her is he married he has a long-time girlfriend okay he's out anyway norma's like, I don't care. I am a matchmaker. Oh, yes.

Not the best. Okay. How do you, I do not pick horrible. I pick married. Oh, that is true. I tried to fix my son up with somebody who's married. No. Married with three kids, but she's a cutie. Oh, that is true. I try to fix my son up with somebody who's married. No. Married with three kids, but she's a cutie.

Oh, my gosh. She is so adorable. And she loves Jesus. But, dadgum, the girl looks like she might be 21. Okay. How old is she, actually? She's 30. Is there someone in the church?

Yes, she's 37. Okay, she probably told me that, but I didn't. She's 37. She literally looks 21. It's all just a mistake. She has three kids, but she doesn't look like she's had one. Hopefully that'll be me. Oh, no, it will be you, girl. I'm in.

Yeah, it will totally be you. But, oh my gosh. 37. I thought it was bad that she was married and had three children, but 37, Chasen, throws that right on over the edge. It's an honest mistake, boss. Honestly, I give it to you. Anyone can make a mistake.

Bless. Yeah. What a great cheerleader. I love it. the edge it's honest mistake boss honestly i give it to you anyone could make the mistake bless yeah what a great cheerleader i love it it's really bad though bia i mean yeah okay you're going to show me who the lady is that i can just like you saw her yesterday i bet you if you saw her on her own she's blonde now yeah if you saw her young yeah yep look very young. Yeah. Yep. She is. Oh. Hello. You could have been my future daughter-in-law. Well, not really because you're 37. But I would have picked you if you were 21.

All day long. She's a cutie, man. She's sweet. She's cute. Huh? I am going to have to like, I'm'm gonna have to pop her on i do she might she might not want to though and she might hide from me now because i keep telling her i want her to be my son's wife my his bride i don't think a husband is liking that yeah tommy's like tommy is so focused right now on fighting and stuff like that. I mean, he, listen, he knows lots of girls.

But he's not into it right now. He's, like, totally focused. But let's go back to you. Enough about me. Or enough about Tommy's future wife. Okay, so you dated for three to six months. Be still my heart. You got married after a year

of dating how long were you engaged six six months it was eight months what's march to december so you're together a whole year and you got married within that year yeah so we started dating end of 2018 like somewhere there and then we got got married December of 2019. Yeah. And for the engagement period, Daniel was spending most of his time in Zambia. So we got engaged in March of 2019. And then he was in Zambia for seven months up until. And this is why it's so important. Like one of the things that you said was you asked the Lord, your previous boyfriend, is he the one?

You knew he wasn't. So obviously you prayed, is Daniel the one? Most people never, ever, ever. And you can get married to somebody who's gone for seven months. Seriously, you can do this. If you pray, is this person the one? If you know the voice of the Holy Spirit and you're not carnally minded. What you did is you went to school. You only did school. You turned off all the social media and you spent time in study of the word. Okay, that shows the maturity of a Christian believer

and that obviously you are diligent in your Christian walk. So you can trust that, okay, I do hear the voice of the Lord. He is the one. So it's irrelevant. And Norma, you have my permission. If God tells you that somebody is the one, I'll let you marry within a year. Not that I have much say in it, but I'm just saying. I don't see it happening anytime soon, so I'm quite comfortable in this.

Don't raise your eyebrow to me. Like, you don't know? Oh, my gosh. I know. she ain't getting married in a year well my gosh I should never say never cuz seriously everything is possible oh my gosh okay so um after you got married you only dated and were married in a year okay in a bit yeah yep so how when was your first crusade after that so our first crusade that we did together we were actually engaged that was uh september of 2019 that was our first crusade did you did daniel did daniel head that one up or does okay so how many people attended that one?

Dan, was it Salvations? Around 8,000 souls. Was it? Okay. So you had 8,000 souls, but how many people in attendance do you think? I honestly can't remember. I don't know if you can. How many?

30,000? For the first one, though? 30,000. It might be a bit less. I can't remember exactly. That's amazing. Okay, so you were engaged, but you start, but then COVID came. Yeah. That screwed everything up.

Yeah. But what's amazing about them is even though COVID came, all the churches in the area pretty much closed down. Yeah. That's right. They found a way around. They are not COVID cavers. They still kept going.

In fact, people in South Africa, they were not happy that you guys did not close down that you found a way and which are you got to tell the story how they they um and i believe this is like god just giving you revelation of how to figure out a way to still win souls to still have church because people were still hungry yeah that's right yeah so we were so okay so we had the crusade september 2019 then december 2019 got married then our plan was to do a crusade in cape town in 2020 so for the preparation for eventually having the crusade we were hitting different churches every weekend and this already started the end of 2019 so we were going into different churches every weekend and this already started the end of 2019 so we

were going into different churches every weekend continuing with that into 2020 and then um then COVID it March of 2020 so then we're like oh well how can we now continue going into the community going into churches spreading the word of God even though with the whole COVID situation because in South Africa you weren't allowed to like drive anywhere just at the grocery shop one person out of the family go back home like only the essential services you know are allowed on the way stricter than it was in here i think so oh yeah it was very bad oh yeah it was yeah so then um so then we had a friend who had like a image or like an essential service like her business got like approved for it or whatnot so we went like under her to also get the approval so that we had a friend who had like a image or like an essential service like her business got like approved for it or whatnot so we went like under her to also get the approval so that we can

continue so we switched sort of to food parcels so going into the community for just food parcels but then we also preached the word do an altar call salvation still came in so it was really just amazing because if we weren't going to the different churches over the weekends and having that those relationships with the people we wouldn't be able to now coveted now all of a sudden we want to go do something yeah you're shut down yeah you're completely yeah okay so there was a lot of crusades planned for 2020 in zambia specifically obviously yes we want to do one in Cape Town but also for Zambia then COVID did so we were like okay what are we going to do because now we can't leave like the country

can't like fly anywhere uh then we like put in an application for a crusade in Zambia and first that got denied like by the president and we had to go like around and we had to get like the military involved and like because good god all things are possible if he tells you to do something yeah then he'll pave the way and it's not always the easiest way yeah sometimes you have to listen to that still small voice and he'll show you the way around things but people see a roadblock and they're like well i guess i missed it yeah i can't do it okay no not necessarily like if you heard his voice and there's a roadblock and they're like, well, I guess I missed it. Yeah, I can't do it. Okay. No, not necessarily. Like if you heard his voice and there's a roadblock, then you, okay, Lord, I know you told me.

Yes. Now, how do we work around this? That's right. You have to be diligent. You can't just give up as soon as something seems like, oh, this is not working out. Like you need to persevere. Yeah. But yeah, so we, so we, uh, we eventually set the date for November of 2020 because

it seemed like by then we would be able to fly out of the country. So that's what we did. And I mean, we even thought like no one is probably going to want to join us because we always take a mission trip. But we had a few people coming along with us on that crusade. And that was actually also rain season in Zambia. So it wasn't like the most clever thing to organize a crusade for them. But we were like, this is the date that we can do to get out of the country.

So let's just go for it. And it was actually raining just before the crusade started. And we all prayed and it stopped raining for all the evenings of the crusade. Right, Dan? None of the evenings rained. Yeah. So, you know, Jesus stilled the storm. That's right.

Yeah. So I think we can control the weather. Yes. Nobody ever does that nobody was like well it's it's mother nature no it's god god controls the the climate and he controls the weather and we have the power and authority i mean we've done so many things we've had so many events at this church that were outside and we had to do the same exact thing and people are like i can't believe it i'm like no

like you can you can do that yeah jesus did that okay so you figured out how to work around all of these things and you ended up so churches hated you guys like people were thinking you were like with us like people thought we were so dangerous to be having church. We were killing people. Yeah. So that was actually like a little bit later because in South Africa we had like, okay, there's hard lockdown. Then there's like level five. We did levels. I don't know how it worked. Yeah.

I don't think there's levels. We would enter into level four. So now, okay, you can do this. And then level three. And then the whole place will just go back to level five. So I know that during 2021, we went back into a level five, and that's when we were placed out in the rural area for me to have my hospital year. And we actually did a crusade in the community there, and even the police came because we were feeding everyone, and that was level five lockdown. So heading from where we were

living in that community back to cape town there were still restrictions for churches so this wasn't locked down anymore but you still had to do masks and social distance and we started doing weekly meetings with no masks no social distance and that was what people were upset with us about yes yeah you guys have taken quite a hit like even like with support people who supported you yeah that's because you took a stand and you did what was right and you believed the bible yeah um psalm 91 as well as so many other things but because you didn't cave to everything um you guys financially have taken a huge hit because of that but god has come through but even so like it has like that was a step of faith yes yes we that was even i think that was back in 2020 again we were planning the crusade in zambia

so we had like a, you know, a few people give monthly or who were very, very willing to support the crusades. And then when they saw that you continuing to do large mass gatherings during COVID, no, no, no, we are no part of this. And a lot of people withdrew and yeah. So we basically headed with a clean page into 2021. Like with nothing.

Yeah. How many, how many crusades did you have on the books for 2021 so how many did you because you guys always plan the year out with how many you're anticipating on doing so 2021 even though people like left you yeah yeah you obviously said we're still going to move forward we're going to walk this out how many you think you had on the books for them we we planned two real massive big ones for zambia we had one in south africa in the eastern caip is that correct then and one in kenya so you had four that's right with no support yeah and these things cost on average how much is a true uh every place

is a little different but on average what does a crusade cost you guys to do because you have staff yeah then you have to get all the churches together because they don't just do a crusade where they win the loss and then they leave them that's because it goes first of all goes against god's word but so what they do is they when they form a crusade they get churches around the community that they're hosting the crusade in, and they get all the pastors to get in. So they disciple the pastors. You teach the pastors, right? And then when you win the loss, you disperse the loss that had been won and saved.

You disperse them through these churches, correct? Or that's the goal, so they become disciple believers. That's correct, yes. So we never just choose the area, set up crusade, correct yeah that's the goal so they'd become discipled that's correct yes so we yeah so we never just choose the area set up crusade and go in and then go out again right it's a big deal yeah yeah we do a lot of time and effort with getting as many as the churches in the area involved as possible because we want to see those churches full and we want to see everyone getting saved at the crusade being plugged into a church so that they can grow in their Christian life.

Well, Billy Graham, one of Billy Graham's biggest regrets is one of the things that he says is he would go and he would have these massive crusades, major lost come to Jesus. And he said that after they were saved, they had nowhere to go. That's one of his big regrets and he might have changed that near the end but one of the things he said which was powerful for me is that he said we'd win them but then they had nowhere to go after that they didn't plug in yeah somewhere and he's like so what happened to all those people that receive salvation so it's awesome that you had that forethought to say okay we've won them now they have to grow that's right yeah because it's the parable of the sower which is

in matthew you know you don't want that them to fall on a rocky ground and things like that where they take no fruit you know and they don't grow okay so you go into these places you get churches set up so this isn't like so how much does the average crusade cost you guys have to come up and and and believe for what is that Tanner now it's ninety thousand dollars on average on average would you say eighty to ninety thousand dollars yeah dollars yeah obviously like you say depending on the area but let's just for a roundabout let's say plus minus 90 thousand dollars yeah which were a i mean i don't know about listen when i was 24 years old i was just coming back to jesus but if i had been 24 years old and saved believing for 80 or 90 thousand dollars

yeah that would have been a stretch multiple times a year multiple times like you have eight to nine scheduled this year correct that you're planning to do that your plan is yeah to do like you have you guys have goals so the goal this year is six six okay i was wrong all right too many but even so like if you're having to believe 80 to 90 000 n at 20 you're 24 yeah you're 25 years like me and tom i'm older than him by a year so uh like that's a lot yeah it is a lot but you guys don't walk around with any pressure no you you like you would never know yeah you just trust god it's like he told you to do it you'll do it who's the man of god who says that when um like the lord just told you to trust to trust for it or you don't have to pay for it the lord told you to believe for it so i think we we just take that. That's how you do it. Yes. The thing is we've seen now every single time

when the Lord instruct us to do it, He will bring in the money for it because it's His instructions to go and do it. Absolutely. Obviously in the beginning, you know, in the beginning you don't know it yet, so you maybe worry and think how is this going to work. But now the Lord has proven His faithfulness time after time after time you know he's faithful you know he will

always come through absolutely so here's what we're going to do right now we're going to we're going to have it be so that people can see where to give because they have one coming up what are we shy for the the crusade that's coming up in two weeks? $45,000. So we need $45,000 to come in. And we'll have a couple times now. We're going to have it so that you can see where to give. Okay. And listen, I deeply encourage you.

You may say, well, I have a small sphere of influence, right? The only time I see anybody is when I talk to my neighbor. Because some people don't have jobs anymore they're retired or whatever i don't have a means to give outside of going to the or not means to give but uh means to witness or um share my faith because i only go to the grocery store and all i do is uh my neighbors. Okay, well, that's great, and you should be sharing your faith at those opportunities. But now is an opportunity for you to, if you don't have a big sphere, now is the time. Like, anything, any seed you plant, you're a part of that, which is huge.

So I encourage you, listen to the Holy Spirit. He may be prompting you right now. Give. They have six crusades this year. So even if you're watching this podcast and it's six months from now, because you may say, well, this was, you know, February whatever, that this is aired, February whatever. Okay, that's past.

Well, just know they do this every year several times a year and if it's next year that you're is it's 2024 they'll be even more bland they'll be even more because they up the game every single year that's like they always bring in that money because you have god's using you in a mighty way and then you reap the harvest of whatever they harvest amen Amen. So let's do that. Okay, so let me ask you this. You're expecting your first baby. Yes.

Tell us all about the baby. Oh, we're so excited. It's really such a new and fresh, you know, season and exciting. And we're really looking forward to it. And what are you having? A boy. A boy, Zach zachariah he will be called i love it i love it he's coming the due date is june the 8th of this year obviously so super excited getting so close y'all now listen Listen, like having babies, like huge change. Not in a bad way.

It's actually a very amazing, awesome way when you have a kid. But listen, you're going into the bush, girl, with a baby. Yes. And a papoose. I don't know what a papoose is. I just. Isn't that what Indians papoose is i just isn't that what indians carry oh a snuggie heather says a snuggie so listen you're going into the bush girl what's that

gonna look like is the baby kicking yes you i'm for i'm prophesying zachariah where you're gonna be and your mother okay so like what does that look like for you? What are you thinking? Obviously, you're not worried. You're not nervous. Yeah. The baby will go wherever you go. That's right.

And you guys go into some seriously dangerous places. Like, my daughter is about to go with you guys. Yes. And Tracy's husband, Jer, is about to go to this one in two weeks. They're coming to this crusade. Like, what is the name of the place? It's in Cape Town area, right? But where is it?

Is this, like, one of the most dangerous places to go into? So you guys are, like, you're not, like, going into Beverly Hills or something, you know? Like, even that isn't the safest anymore. But I'm just saying, it's not like you're going into some fluffy area to win the loss you're guys going into the most dangerous places to win people who will never hear the gospel yeah outside of you guys or other people like you guys wanting to go so what does that look like i know you're not worried yeah you're not you have no concern

for you or your child you have the hedge of protection but listen there's lots of mothers that are watching this right now and they never face what you face and they're full of worry and fear yeah like they will never go where you're going yeah and they literally fear their kid stepping out onto the back of the night where there's a cage there's a fence yeah around their pool and they're still worried about the the safety of their child do you know what i'm saying like we live in such a different world and fear is is real but some people just allow it to go so far overcome them with irrational thought you're facing real life real issues and you're going i'm not worried about it god's called you to do something that's the thing when the lord

tells you to go do it he will protect you so he's not gonna call you to go into an area and then he's gonna be like oh now you're on your own you know it doesn't do that so that's why i'm not worried and like i know even with many people were like oh you're probably not going to travel as much anymore and you're probably not going to like be by all the crusades anymore and things like that and i'm like no why does it have to be that way the lord will grace you for whatever is coming into your life so he knows we're having a baby and even if that looks like not traveling with maybe extra help or whatever that might look like i know that the lord will lead us into that direction then,

and there will be provision and there will be grace for that. And so I'm excited. And I mean, we saw two evangelists the other day, a husband and wife with their little boy who's doing crusades. And the little boy is probably like one and a half. And he was waddling there on the stage behind his dad while he was preaching. And then Daniel showed it to me and he was like, this will be our and i was like yes amen i mean train up a child right i mean what better way to train them up in the fear and admonition of the lord by seeing real situations but also

training them to to to do what you do if that's what god's going to call them to do and uh but seriously fear is fear it grips people like you may not be afraid to do what God's called you to do but still like you guys have animals like like pastor uh pastor Rodney and pastor Adonica were telling us about like like animals just go through villages like yeah like lions and like they told stories about they are sleeping in tents and you can hear the lions outside like yeah roaring and like it's that is nothing like what we face it's not even close and we have people in this country so full of fear or worry that they don't face the same thing so how do you walk that out like even as yourself with no child but let's imagine you with children how does that like

what would you tell a mom that's full of fear or a woman that's full of fear just like you're not yeah how do you do that and it's not supernatural as far as i wasn't born like that a lot of times it's what do you do with that fear to subject it unto the authority of of god i mean yeah well it's a choice you need to choose that i will now trust god with this and then you need to take that thought captive and put it under submission to god's word you know and then if you need to get a list of scriptures that you need to read out loud to yourself every time that you feel that fear coming, then you need to do that.

You need to do whatever you have to do to get your faith strong in God for not having fear, knowing that He protects you, knowing that He is with you. Because that is just, like, I can't imagine living in fear. I can't either.

I'm not a fearful person. And it know for people and even with doing the work of the lord like if the lord tells you to do something i mean if you would look back onto your life and think of all the situations where the lord has spoken you to do something and the reason why you have not done it fear would most probably be like one of the number one reasons for most people oh yeah so you gotta have to you gotta have to make you have to make the choice to trust the lord and put your trust in him oh yeah so it's a choice it really is you know so many people don't do things for fear of failure and my thing is i i say this all the time but one of the things Michael Jordan one of his biggest quotes is he has failed more than he has succeeded but those failures took him to being successful I'm saying the same thing Einstein had so many

different what do you call inventions okay he has more of an inventions that failed than he had successes but you have you can't be afraid to fail because failure is a part of success. And if you allow that to keep you from doing something, everyone's going to fail. But if the Lord tells you to do it, then you do it. And along the way, you see some failures. You're still going to get the victory. You're still going to win.

And the same thing is being afraid of different different things you have to take those thoughts captive one of the things uh when uh pastor adalas was here for my ladies conference she talked about how she was gripped with fear and she went in one night to um jonathan was playing a video game and she was so afraid like she something happened and i can't remember what she said something and she was so afraid like she something happened and I can't remember what she said something happened she was so gripped with fear that she went into Jonathan and he was playing the video game since she was talking to him about it he says don't fear stop stop being afraid and she's like it's not that simple he's like it's not that simple don't fear and

she tried to talk he's like don't fear and all he did is kept playing the video game didn't pay attention to her and kept don't fear yeah she said she walked out so mad at him yeah because he would not like talk this through with her rationalize it all he kept saying is don't fear i told tom that story and tom like it moved him because he was like that's the right answer though you don't fear i told tom that story and tom like it moved him because he was like that's the right answer though you don't you don't rationalize fear with somebody what he said to her and she even said it was the best thing for her even though it made her mad because really it's people say well it's not that simple it's really that simple. It's really that simple. It is. Yeah, it's that choice. Don't do it. Yeah. It's like sinning.

You don't do it. Yes. So you don't fear. You like shut that off in your mind. You're like, I can't control my thoughts. Yes, you can. Yes. Because the word of God says you can.

Yes. Take every thought captive. That's right. So you can. But it's a decision that has to be made. Mm-hmm. So that's super exciting. Okay, let me ask you this. I had a list of questions for you okay um and then i want you you have when we close out i'm gonna have you do the

salvation call if you don't mind and that's a surprise to you but i was just about to say i'm gonna do the salvation like no you're gonna do it because like this is what you do, right? Yeah. And then you have some really good giving. We only have like 20 minutes left. Okay. A little shy. So you have a really good giving story that people have to hear. I love this story. So let me ask my last question.

Wait a minute. I was going to. So my question is share the exact location which you did not so your crusade you have coming up tell where it's at tracy's gonna put on um while you're talking about her i don't know how she's gonna do it but she's gonna put like where it's at so people can have an idea we're gonna again put out um where to give the last thing i want you to tell is which is amazing how many people you're planning to attend and then talk about this area because

people need to understand what this area is like that you're going into they need to be praying for you guys you know you're safe but what we need to do is surround you guys and we need the biggest return from the number of people that are coming yeah we need the harvest yes that's right we need the biggest return from the number of people that are coming yeah we need the harvest yes that's right we need a harvest of souls to be one to the lord like what's the point in going if you don't win the lost i mean it's a lot of money to spend it's a lot of money to spend when you get no return on your investment right yeah so what's the name of the town? So it's Delft is the city. It's just a little bit to the right of Cape Town. So Cape Town, South Africa.

So it'll be Delft, South Africa. It is a really dangerous township. Because Cape Town's like a big city. It's a big city. It's like if you go there, that's kind of like going to like maybe not New York, but it would be something like going to another big city in the united states you have the nice amenity the thing yeah things like that right okay so you're so in south africa you have cape town like right here and then you have all the different areas around it so people will

refer to these areas as cape town but it's just outside of cape town so you have some like nice neighborhoods you have uh the this the big big communities where everyone lives in shacks, where the living conditions is not very great. So Delft is one of them. It's a big, big, big community where the living conditions isn't very great with all the power outages and everything. So right now you guys are going through power outages, which people don't, like we don't experience that. California does to a certain extent. But right now, tell are going through power outages which people don't like we don't experience

that california does to a certain extent but right now tell them like what's going on like every everything in your freezer and refrigerator when you go home is getting tossed why is that no the power will be off for like four hours then come back on for two hours then off again for four hours and now there's a new thing being released that you will only have power for eight hours a day in 24 hours so that's part of the plan yeah people do not understand this is part of the world economic plan they're hitting countries right now that United States will be the last one probably that experiences this because we're such we're the world power we're losing that but right now we're the

biggest world power but what they're doing is they're hitting all these little country not little but these countries that um don't have a lot of military power things like that could that could really like do something about it right the? The people are gonna have to rise up. Yeah. Big time. So right now you're experiencing what they're trying to do across the board to make us to be all a global world, if you will.

Which isn't good. So you have no electric, it's gonna soon be eight hours a day. That's all you'll have announced yeah that's what's been announced so what does that look like implemented okay it hasn't been implemented yet so i'll have to keep you updated on how that goes but you're so dull so even especially these communities in and around cape town well basically south africa they get hit also very very hard because most of them you know uh have power even out for longer than the inner cities. But yeah, anyway, so this is a

dangerous area there. There's a lot of gangsterism there. Like I remember I was even working in the hospital there sometimes during my studies. And sometimes the lecturer would let us know we're not going in today because there's too many gang fights going on, shootings happening, like it's a rough township. So that's where the Lord called us to go for this crusade. So we are extremely excited because those people need Jesus. That's the only way the community will change is if you give them Jesus and they come to the Lord because that is the only way a community can change. There's no like program or what you have that can change a community.

It's the power of the gospel. It is. And you know what's interesting is you guys don't just go in and talk about the power of the gospel, which is the number one. But you go in and you teach them about dietitian, correct? Because that's what your degree is in. Yes. So you train them.

And then you also tell them you don't just go in and do one little thing you guys bring a huge learning uh curve to to maybe how life can be with them for them correct like what what does that look like too because it's huge yeah so that'll be like the humanitarian arm of the ministry we try to always join it with a crusade so depending on the era where we are it looks different like we've had like a 11-night crusade in South Africa where during the day I would go and have all the moms bring their little children do growth monitoring with them explain to them what they can try to honor of course a cheap budget purchase to incorporate in the little ones diet to make them grow healthy and strong I do some breastfeeding education with the mommies so that's what we do sometimes we go to universities we go to orphanages we give out

massive food supply for them a lot of these orphanages especially in africa they don't you you will get there and they have nothing like they have like 60 children to feed and they have nothing they will show you their stores it's completely empty so we stock that up we teach them about vegetable gardening self-sustainable we've helped in the past with water wells being built in communities because sometimes people need to walk like a whole hour to go get drinking water it's we're so spoiled in the united oh my gosh yeah so these are the so we, so even specifically for me, like if I can be honest with you,

I want to do a lot more with our humanitarian arm. I want to put a lot more effort into it, grow the program a lot bigger. So as our team for Take the Nations is growing, that will allow me to focus more on that because currently I'm still very involved,

you know, with the inner workings of everything of the ministry. So as I can give off more of that and focus more on the humanitarian arm, I really want to do a lot more. And I'm very excited because the Lord told me to go study dietetics. And that's why I went to go study it.

I knew that I wasn't just going to be a dietitian for the rest of my life, but that I was going to use the knowledge to empower me to do it within the ministry. So I'm really excited for that. That gets me real excited. Yeah, that's that gets me real excited yeah that's amazing so yeah and so yeah we have a team coming with us for this daof crusade like you said your daughter is coming and another member from your church we yeah we always have people from america join people from south africa from europe um so if somebody wants to also come and be a part of

what you're doing um we'll put that also on the screen. The website, takethenations.com, and they can apply for any of the crusades. We always take a team, and we take a team, and it's always, I told you the other night, the most rewarding part is to see how the Lord changes every single person who comes. And many people who come, they get launched into the ministry after that. They end up doing their own crusades.

Like it really is phenomenal to see what the Lord does. Yeah. Which is, that's what you want your ministry to do. You want your ministry to grow other people and replicate that. And then, I mean, again, it goes about that seed falling and then it's spreading. Right. It's so important. Okay.

So let's see how many we got 10 minutes all right so i want you to do the salvation if you will and then um what i i always do is i do a salvation prayer and then um speak to the people that aren't saved and then let's tell your story okay about giving let's do it well if you're listening today and you have never heard about jesus you've never heard anything but you came across this podcast in whatever way and you really want to know him this this time is for you we're going to do a prayer for you to know jesus to give your life to him and if you're listening to this podcast and you were once on fire for the lord you were once winning the lost and going out and proclaiming the good news of j Jesus and now you're not doing that anymore maybe something happened in your life you know that

really like shook you and took you away from the Lord or you were angry with the Lord or whatever it might have been this is your opportunity to come back to the Lord and also if you if you've been living a Christian life but after these stories that you're hearing now about winning the lost and going into communities and telling people about the lord and even our pastor hope was saying when you go to the grocery store you can share jesus with the people and you've never done that before but you were a christian i want you to pray this also with me today because your life doesn't have to look boring as a christian it is so exciting i remember the first time I was in a church where someone gave a testimony of them being at a garage and seeing the

person's foot limping or whatever it was limping because something was wrong with the foot. Prayed for him, got completely healed. The first time I heard that, I thought to myself I'm living such a boring Christian life. Like we can be seeing salvation and healing every single day, wherever we go. And we just need the boldness

and the Holy Spirit gives us that boldness. So I want you to pray this prayer with me if you fit into any one of those categories. And we're just going to say, Dear Lord Jesus, Today I give you my life. I give you everything, Father. I lay it all down.

I believe that you came to the earth and you died for my sins so that I can have salvation and you rose up again and you are in heaven right now. Thank you, Father, that you can wash me clean, take away all my sins. Thank you, Lord, that I can be joined into your eternal family today. And I make that choice today, Father. Thank you, you Jesus for everything you've done for me Holy Spirit come into my heart come into my life give me boldness

so that I too can share the good news of Jesus Christ with everyone around me thank you Lord in Jesus name Amen I love that beautiful now giving is huge. Mm-hmm.

Monster. Mm-hmm. Life-changing. I was just talking to you about this last night. Mm-hmm. And so many people, we were talking about how so many people think the reason you talk about giving is so that you get from them. Mm-hmm.

But really what you're trying to do is give them freedom. Yeah. Freedom in their finances so they understand what God really wants to pour out for them. Like, he's so good, he's such a good dad. And like, he has so much more for us. Like, as parents, you don't know this yet, but you do have an inkling, but as a parent, you, like,

when Christmas time comes comes around if you don't have enough you're always looking at what's underneath that tree going man i wish there was more for my baby or my kids or whatever or you're looking at that christmas tree and you're like i did good this year like my kids are really spoiled right god wants to spoil you like he wants so many things to give to you like you want to give so many things to your kids underneath that tree and we control the flow yeah and most people they they don't understand this because they only they want to control every aspect of their finances yeah and that's where real faith comes in, is when you say, I give you my finances.

That's when you really release. That's why it's so hard. Your finances are really how much you have trust and faith in God and what he'll do for you. When you release your finances, he now knows how much you really are releasing yourself to him. Yes. You've given everything to him yes you've given

everything to him now right where your heart is your treasure will be yeah yeah so share with them your story of um the ring yeah the ring i mean it's amazing i don't know if i can show them the ring it's a heart shaped diamond that's in here and uh then it has like diamonds on all the sides on the sides top the bottom okay so when I was five years old obviously my dad told me this story because I can't remember what happened when I was five but my dad was in the diamond industry and he was sitting in the living room writing up and weighing a few diamonds and one of these diamonds was this heart diamond and i came into the living room saw the heart diamond pointed at it and said to him mine daddy mine and then he

decided he's gonna keep it for me until i turn 21 and then he'll give it to me as a wedding ring you know well me and my husband can use as a wedding ring. Right. And so when I turned 21, he gave it to me, the heart. And that was just before Daniel and I got engaged. So he gave it to me February. I went over to Zambia in March. And then Daniel trusted the Lord just to buy like a cheap little ring. Yeah. Just to get engaged.

And he like really put his faith out there. And I think I Googled it last night. It was like $56. And like back then, it was like massive for him to trust this, you know? So we got engaged, but that's how I knew it was such a surprise for me because, you know, the diamonds back home,

he knows we have the diamond, but we can't get engaged because we don't have the ring. Then that happened. And then we came back to South Africa. And when he came to visit one time you know from Zambia we went to the shop we he designed the ring actually so like it's all him and we trusted for the money for the rest of the diamonds and the white gold and all of that and so the ring was created and it's my wedding ring and I absolutely love it obviously it's really really

sentimental to me it's high in value it's really is if you speak about your alabaster box that you have this would be mine okay there's a huge yes from a 56 dollar yeah which was like your faith is incremental yes that's right so um he who is faithful with a little will be faithful with much which you go from what you didn't know about you go from a 56 engagement ring to like it's like our building we went from a 1700 square foot rental yeah plaza to a fifth owning a 52 000 square foot building he who is faithful with a little will be faithful with much. Yeah.

Like it's the same exact thing. That ring, like how many carats is that? Well, the heart is like 2.45, I think. And then there's smaller diamonds around. I don't know the whole carat. Probably at least three. But 36 diamonds all together on the sides. Yeah, it's at least three, which is huge.

Oh, Daniel. Daniel's got carrots hanging out of his mouth. Are you sure you were right about marrying him? No, I'm just kidding. At least they're not hanging out of your two nostrils. So it gets better than that, though. Okay, so it's sentimental because your dad held it for you since you're five. And then you believed from a... since you're five. Yes.

And then high value. Yeah. So you went from like a $56 engagement ring, which was pretty. Like I saw the pictures. Yes, yes. It was really pretty. It was really pretty. To like that's a bam, right? Yeah.

I wouldn't even know the value on it, but I know that it's really, really high. And then God tells you to do what? Yes. So now we're with pastors in South Africa. And the Lord speaks to my husband to give his wedding ring, which was also something that we trusted for. It's a 24-carat gold out of the gold mines in Zambia. He just had also a cheap, cheap ring when we got got married and we were trusting to get him this nice one so the Lord speaks to him that he needs to sew

it to the pastor okay the husband and then he sews it we're like in the living room with these pastors he sews it and after this everyone goes to the kitchen to make tea and the Lord speaks to me that I have to also sew mine to the wife okay so i tell daniel then you know the lord speaking to me i need to sew my ring and first he laughs and he says can't you sew something else and i'm like no like the lord said the ring and he says oh okay like the lord saying that then you need to do it and my heart was literally beating like this because I'm thinking this is like you know this is really like my most prized special possession like it's so sentimental the fact that my dad gave the heart you know since I was five he held on to it for me now I'm gonna give

it away you know it's like yeah it was just that was what you know the thoughts are going through your head and it's like no like is this really the lord telling me to do this oh yeah you know what you should listen yeah if god tells you to sew something and it's really big you need to make sure that it's just not like your emotions telling you make sure like you did you said make you know. Like when the Lord's telling me something before I speak or if I prophesy to somebody, like I'm always like, oh gosh, like I don't really want to do this because I'm going to look like an idiot. Like if I am wrong, I'm going to look. Everybody should be very careful,

especially when they feel like God's telling them to do something or if they're going to speak into someone's life, they need to make sure if you're going to put words in God's mouth, you got to make sure that those are God's words. My heart's always pounding. It's usually never easy. Right. Yeah. But nine times out of 10, if you're like your heart's beating out of your chest, you know, like this isn't really like something I want to do. Yeah. God's prompting me. But always, always check before you sow a seed, depending on how big a seed it is.

Always make sure it's not your emotions because you want God's blessing on whatever you're sowing. And if you're just sowing it out of emotion, I think God will honor that to a certain extent. And then after a while, he's going to be like be like listen I want you to do it because I'm telling you to do it not because of whatever the motive is behind the heart so you know God's telling you yes so now I go I go to the pastor and I say pastor I want to sow this to you but I'm like crying I'm like I want to sow this to you it was really it was really difficult for me like i said this is my alabaster box you know so i'm crying but i just stand on the scripture that those who sow

in tears will reap with joy and then and i am like crying you know giving it she's like are you sure i'm like no no no it has to be this way and um yeah so i i said this to her and so this poster has actually sewed 11 wedding rings who i sewed this ring to she has sewed 11 wedding rings okay so she would sew hers the new one comes back so again new one comes back so again you want 11 times all right okay to cut the story short so So, saying this to her, and then I remember going back to the hotel. I was still like weeping. I literally like read that scripture like 10 times, like weeping, weeping, weeping. And then even the next day, you know, you think, oh man, I really miss, I really miss it.

But no, the Lord said I need to give it. So, gave it, you know, really thankful. And then a couple of weeks, I guess, goes by. miss it but it no the lord said i need to give it so gave it you know really thankful and then um a couple of weeks i guess goes by it was probably like five weeks could have been longer i can't remember the exact date uh daniel was ministering in pretoria in south africa and these pastors come and attend the service and after the service the husband comes and drops something in our hands okay so after a while right let me just quickly say this yeah after i've sewed it um after a while like i

didn't miss it anymore i was so thankful it was like the lord broke something off of me by giving my alabaster box because once i gave this away nothing else that the lord would speak to me to give away felt like anything so it was like that break that has to come and like that's what I want to encourage you today you know if you've never sewn something that was so precious to you you've never sewn an alabaster box I would suggest doing it because it's the Lord breaks you open then with giving once you've done that yes that is just from a voice of experience because Tom and I all our lives have been huge givers materialistic things financially and it

always been like I want I don't want to say it like this but it's always panned out for us right like you just realize you can't out give God and there's really nothing that matters yeah like yeah and you shouldn't be attached to anything nothing material people are the only thing yeah that's right outside of people yeah my children um i obviously want everyone to be saved but my children are my true investment they're my only like thing that really so once you give away nothing matters like it's so easy to give away anything once you give away, nothing matters. It's so easy to give away anything once you give away the most, the thing that means the most to you. Yeah. And that is a true fact. So go ahead.

Yeah. So, yeah. So then, um, so then obviously I felt like that was why the Lord told me to give my most prized possession is because he wanted to break, really break me open with giving. So after that that he can tell me anything any amount of money like i'll empty out my bank account like i'll give away my favorite shoes my favorite handbag it really doesn't matter because this was like this was it so then um so i was trusting the lord for a harvest i was like ready for my five carat to come chill on my finger i love that hey you gave up like three so five's gotta be it yes yes and then um so i was just wearing like a little place i just went to a jewelry shop just got like just a little band just to put something there you know that

everyone can know that i'm married yeah and um then and we're now at the service, and after the service, the husband walks over to us, drops, like, something in, I think it was my hand, yeah, dropped something in my or Daniel's hand, and he puts it to mine. And obviously you can feel, oh, it's rings. And I thought, oh, did this pastor not really go buy us new wedding rings, you know? And I looked at it, and it was our wedding rings.

They gave it both back. And like I said, this pastor pastor she's sewn 11 wedding rings and they said that she's never given anyone's ring back you know so she's received like so many she's never given anyone's rings back but they really felt that this was like just a heart test of the lord and like isaac and like Isaac. Like when Isaac was going to be sacrificed, Abraham knew that God was going to bring him back. Yes. If he killed him, he was coming back. Yeah.

It's a faith thing. Yes. Proving yourself to be righteous, right? Mm-hmm. And so we both got our rings back. And and I was like I initially I didn't even know what to do because I was like now this doesn't even feel like I don't even have this I don't have any attachment to it so it was like not even like oh thank the lord my ring came back you know like I'm so it was really not even like that because that whole attachment thing completely

broke so obviously like I'm very grateful for the ring and I'm, you know, it's so special that I can still have it, but there's no attachment anymore. Which is huge. Which is huge, yeah. So, but yeah, so the Lord really just, it was, it was really special, obviously. Yes. To like see the Lord's heart also with that and just to, so yeah, so I want to encourage everyone today, even watching the broadcast, like if you, if you also feel that you even watching the the broadcast like if you if

you also feel that you're attached to something like if the lord would tell you right now give this and you think in your mind no i don't want to give that that's when you know you've got to give it away absolutely um there's another evangelist that said to me the other day like if she if the lord tells her give your give your shoes and she's like no i don't want to give this now then she immediately just does it because it's like, why do you have an attachment to earthly things? The only thing you can take with you to heaven is souls. Absolutely. Yeah.

And that's what Heather. Heather's son did the same thing up at the river. He had his lovely shoes. And listen, you pay huge money for his shoes because his feet are so big and wide. They're not cheap and he gave up his favorite he walked his favorite pair of shoes up to the altar and left them up on the altar yeah like you have to be willing to do that so i encourage you we don't i don't i'm just telling you i don't talk about giving because i want it i don't want it i want you to be free yes and once you once

you start giving you're gonna sit there and kick yourself and you're gonna be like why did i wait so long to do this because you're gonna see the return because jesus you know the promise is true jesus came to this earth he became poor so that you might become rich. Okay. There are promises in his word. In Malachi, test him in this. Yes. So I say, test him. But I challenge you because it's not always going to be easy. God's going to stretch you. But he only stretches you so you can be better in your walk, better in letting your carnal nature die, and that you're used in a mighty way for him. There's nothing more pleasing, nothing more, it's not just pleasing, it's satisfying.

Is when you're doing what he's called you to do. And that doesn't mean in ministry, that means in your job. Like not everybody's going to be preaching and teaching the gospel yeah and a big forum like in a pulpit but you are every day on your job and you're you are when you walk into a convenience store or you're an elevator whatever it is you have a purpose and god has a plan and part of that is releasing your money yeah releasing your materialistic material things and once you learn to let it go yeah and if the lord's gonna bless you back the lord's gonna be like give me like all your valuables for you to be free that's just not how it works

the return is coming and you'll have if when you start giving you'll receive more than you've ever had before so even if you think right now that no what you have right now you're very happy and that's just it and no give that away and you see what the lord does in your life you have no idea it's amazing so yeah i always say this you don't need to give to foundation church i would strongly encourage it because if you're being fed by um this podcast by my husband's podcast um which if you don't know about my husband's podcast, it's the Tom Lightpley podcast. We'll put a link up there

so you can see where to watch that. But then there's Foundation Church. If you're being fed by any of these three things, then you need to sow where you're being fed. But then there's Revival Today, which is Jonathan Shuttlesworth and Adonis Shuttlesworth. Then there's Pastor Rodney Howard-Brown and Adonica Howard-Brown, which is jonathan shuttlesworth and adalas shuttlesworth and there's pastor rodney howard brown and adonica howard brown which is the river church you know take

the nations you can seriously that's good ground because that's winning the lost as well you have different places that god may say that's where i want you to sow so that's all there is to it so and then watch just watch and see the harvest come in whatever you sow on the ground is going to come up it's plentiful yes but you have to sow first yeah amen so uh thank you bia for coming thanks for having me super special um i'm so happy you were my first guest now tom my husband he's going to be with me on the 15th of february which is already going to be passed because this one is going to play on friday so you'll i'm not even going to talk about tom then there's no point

he's not gonna he'll be my first guest dadgummit she'll be you'll be my second girl he'd be my first well jerry was my first guy i'll be i'm all confused you'll be my first lady yes so uh yeah i was gonna talk about tom being here for valentine's day but there's no point it's you'll have already seen it it's gone it's nothing but a memory so you guys all won so Yeah, we are one. That's a big one. Let me just say. Oh my gosh. That's a big one. I'm only referring to size.

Because Tom ain't no tiny guy. Big personality, big body, whatever. Okay, have a great weekend. We'll talk to you later. Bye. Real talk. Real talk. Real talk.

Real talk.