The Hope Hotline - The Hope Hotline | S02-E30 | 05-15-2024

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

The Hope Hotline | S02-E28 | 05-08-2024

Real Talk Real Talk Real Talk Real Talk Can they see this water bottle over here? They sure can. Keep going. Oh, perfect. There we go, people.

Trying to hide it from you. I know, thank you. You don't see all that's going on over here they sure can keep going okay oh perfect there we go people trying to hide it from you i know thank you you don't see how that's going on over here yeah hello welcome to the whole pot line how's it going how you doing we're really great here it's only it's a small crew today it is we're missing vanessa yep. Vanessa is, Oh, I'm missing my airbag thingies. I'll put those on in a minute. That's, that's why I feel weird. Okay. Um, Vanessa is our world traveler.

Yeah. Vanessa went from being poverty stricken to being a world traveler. Her best life. There's hope for all of us. Yeah. I don't really want, I don't really want to travel. I do. Quick on that, Sarah.

I mean, if God tells me to do it, but I'm pretty happy the way my life is. Listen, there are people that want Tom to come and speak. I'm okay with that. But I don't even want to do, this is bad. I don't even want to do that a lot. I don't. I like what I like.

But Sarah does. So if anybody wants a speaker or anything like that, call up. Sarah's ready for your girl. And she loves a mic. Look at her eyes. They're getting dollar signs right now. I love a microphone. She does.

I got to handle one at the Chamber of Commerce luncheon today. She did. Oh, you're me, oh my. Did they know what they were doing? And they gave you that microphone? I mean, everybody gets the microphone. They like pass it around for, you know, your 30 second commercial. Little do they know.

And I was like almost. It was going to be five minutes. I was almost last too so i'm like we got 20 minutes left at this lunch i'm good your face they don't know what they're getting into no no they don't and my my thingy is acting funny and i think it's because it's almost on no life but um so how long did you actually talk over the 30 minutes no it's 30 seconds 30 seconds excuse me that's a lot that's a big difference yeah did 30 seconds did you go over the 30 seconds I didn't time myself

she went over the yeah I'm sure that I did. Well, the other ones are only like, hi, I'm John, and then pass it. So she is taking up their time. Hi, I'm Sally, and I sell real estate. That's like most of the people that are at these. They're all real estate agents. Oh, yeah. That is true.

Super scared. They'll be like, I'm John, and I'm a plumber. And then they'll pass it on to the next person. How do you sell your product? How do you sell yourself? That's the problem with extroverts. I probably wouldn't put the mic down either. Because I'm not afraid.

They should be afraid. They should be afraid. That's what it is. They're self-conscious. They don't want to mess up. They worry about what people think about them. And when you're free from that, it's like, free, there we go. There is something to be said for, I mean, you kind of wish you could sell it.

Yeah, I do. To people. Because once you realize, like, nobody really cares if you screw up and if they do who cares that they care i know it's true i don't care i know um life is way too short it's true to be bothered by that nonsense yeah so i don't know i i freedom is a great thing you are right sarah yeah freedom is a good thing i, listen, there is such a thing as being too free. Right. Right. Okay. Which I've crossed the line in and then I pushed myself back. Yeah. Sarah crosses that line a lot and then she comes right back on to the other side. There is

such a thing as being too free, but at the same time, I'd rather be too free than too bound. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's rough. Mm-hmm. That is rough. It is. I hope that freed somebody right there. Yeah. For the last two minutes. So you had fun. You went to the Chamber of Commerce.

Yeah. That's good. Okay. What did you talk about? Generators. Generators. I've said 0% of people regret having a generator. That's my statistic.

0% of people. Well, if you live in Florida, that's true. It is true. I guess if you live anywhere, really. As a blizzard, for crying out loud, you don't want a generator. Right, my dad has one. And that's a whole house generator, right? Because I have one, but it's super loud.

Mine's gas. Yeah, the ones that we specialize in are quiet, and they come on automatically when your power goes out. That's just like, come on. when your power goes out it's not like come on money can't like that's priceless it is it's where's the insurance money for that exactly come on you could i barely got the little bit that i was owed well listen it wasn't a little bit i didn't even get what was owed yeah yeah whatever let me ask you this because we're now almost two years in right september will be two years in of this yeah horrific what thing yeah september 28th oh yeah it's been when

i filed for the church 2022 yep oh my word i just heard from my attorney that the insurance company finally settled yes but not for the church okay just for my house oh okay that's one that that church is the church we're we're diligently praying over that so if you're listening yeah and you come to this church or you call foundation church your home make that a matter of prayer yes we need this nonsense to stop like it's ridiculous two Two years. Two years. And the amount of money that we've personally, the church has personally put into it is outrageous because that money really needs to go to other places. But we've still been able to do as far as giving, which I'll talk about today,

but like what this church gave last year far exceeds what it brought in. God is faithful. Which is amazing because all of us played a huge part in that. If you give to this church and you, and when I say give, I mean your tithe and offering. If that's what you do, like all of those things are, you count as yours. It's just, it's amazing. So, but like, did you get your stuff taken care of? No, Tracy,

because you're, you're worse off because I know Heather, there's just, they just finally, finally two years, guys, almost two years. And you know,

it's funny. We're not even like the HOA is like, like mad at us and they're sending us letters and like that we have to go. Because you're going to get robbed. Because yeah, because I don't like how the house looks. So we're going to get fined $100 a day if we don't have an explanation to why we haven't fixed our house. I'm like, do you want to call my insurance or my mortgage company? So basically we had the check.

It was written in March. And then they sent it to the wrong. They sent it to our public adjuster. And our public adjuster is like, we never got that. So then we had to go back and we had to hand write a letter saying like, we want our checks reissued, had to send that to Inc.

And then now they're saying they sent their send, they're sending the check now, a physical check. So yeah, it's a special. Yeah. Because like your whole one side of your house is completely exposed and open to the world. Yeah.

And then the other one is barely got anything separating it. Well, now it doesn't because it fell off. So it's like we did. Travis and Jer went up and like taped up like the tarps and now the tarps are like down. And then actually Kylie's windows were busted open. So we finally went and got plexiglass and like glued it so now she can open her window and like see out into the world via plexiglass so we're just like you know what that's see that's what people don't realize I mean third world problems over here she absolutely has problems being not

first world you're not first world right now i mean if you saw her house i know your house is so pretty and so cute not so much right now but i'm just saying right but people don't realize like life has moved on for everybody yeah this is what i was talking about on the podcast uh what was i talking about on friday that everybody worries about like what's going on in their life right now or will like it matters so much but like life moves on for everybody it hasn't moved on for us right to a certain extent mine house is like really good yeah a lot better but I'm finally just getting my money right yours is still a mess And that's what people forget.

Everything's yesterday's news. There are people who literally are not, that had to move away from this church because their house were destroyed. Their houses are still destroyed and they haven't been able to move back. We have families that literally left the area and had to move to another state because they could no longer live in their home.

And their house has not been redone. the area and had to move to another state because they could no longer live in their home and their house has not been redone so if you're worried about what's going on in and around your life and you think or that somebody's done something to you and listen it's gonna be like next week nobody's gonna know right nobody's gonna care no they move right on because everybody moves on exactly they just do. Yeah. And like the repairs, it's not as simple as just like even piecemealing it. Because we need to do the windows first.

Then the windows take time to order them. And everybody's on back order. It's a year. Listen. I know. For the windows, I used to sell windows. And I went into the office office about i was in there about a month ago yeah and they said oh man you're gonna be glad you're not selling anymore i'm like what's the lead time

58 weeks 52 is the earliest it can go as far as like 58 right that's nuts nuts i know and we every single window needs to be replaced but but i can tell you something after we get done okay but it's but that's what i mean like it's not just like we we are siding dripped off but we can't do our siding until the windows are done and the windows are in back so it's like nothing's easy to just like none of it's easy to do none of it and it's expensive too like obviously like you know it's gonna cost a lot of money to we have like a 2400 square foot two-story house it's not just like a small thing to take care of even if it was it's still now at this price point everything's expensive so oh everything's you know that's what they forget and that's why when the insurance companies give

you like this meaty ochre a little amount you're like what am i supposed to do with that right that'll do half that doesn't go very far. No, it doesn't. I know. And they act like they're doing you a favor. I'm like, you've done me nothing. Right. And it has to be up to code, right? It has to be up to code. So like if it doesn't, when it was built, if it doesn't look, it's just, it's complicated,

you know? It is complicated. So I can't, this will be fun when this is gone and Jesus named no more hurricanes. It'll all, you know what? The Lord told me, he's like, I'm going to stretch this money. Yeah. And he did. Yeah. Yeah.

He stretched that money for me. Yeah. Because what you get and what you're supposed's like, I'm going to stretch this money. Yeah. And he did. Yeah. Yeah. He stretched that money for me. Yeah. Because what you get and what you're supposed to get, two different things. Right. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Especially when so many hands are in the pot too. Oh yeah.

Because you had to hire people to help you get the money. A ton of people. And they need to get paid. Yeah, of course. Yeah. We hired so many people. It's insane. Oh yeah.

Because those people need people to like appraise it out. Right. And then you got to get a mediator. It's a mess. People don't really realize all that goes into. And then add a commercial building. Yeah, forget that. People were like, hey, when it all happened, they're like, so, like, what's the first step?

I was like, I don't know. I've never done this before. I'm going to figure it out, though. But I don't know I've never done this right I'm gonna figure it out though but I don't know yeah it's true I asked Pastor Rodney I said uh when it all happened because I'm figuring like he's been around the block yeah many times yeah like so like what do I do and he's like I don't know great yeah it's like I don't know this has never happened to me I'm like yeah it never happened to you because you sent the stinking dang gum storm down here to me i know doesn't he know i didn't get rid of it thanks a lot thanks a lot i still resent him for that me too just a little bit just a little bit but whatever um okay so you want to do our show like and all that other nonsense

absolutely not that it's nonsense no it's it's all good stuff. So we've got Facebook up and running. Very quiet. I mean, there's some people on, but nobody's in the chat. So if you're watching. Something's up with Facebook again, by the way. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay.

We got our like trusty 12. But anybody watching, if you can, you're not driving and you want to just check in, let us know. Let me and Talia know if you're watching on Facebook and if you want I'll put the link in right now so you guys can go over to rumble if you want to I'm gonna pin that for you guys and then you'll be able to find that link pretty easily so and then we're over in rumble we've got a good amount of people hanging out with us today welcome on this beautiful Wednesday. Very hot today. Very, very hot. And Sean and Fern. Oh, Vanessa's on.

Logan's here. Oh, my mom's here. My mom will be here on Friday. My whole family. Bopski. Bopski will be here. So that's exciting. Is she going to be in the house?

No, they'll be flying. So she's going to be checking in while she's flying. And then they leave Wednesday morning. But she'll be in the house on Sunday. Sunday. They'll be here. No, I'm talking about on the podcast. I know.

We could have had her on the podcast. Everybody come to church if you want to meet Popski. And my whole family. Literally everybody will be here. So that'll be fun. Praise you, Lord. I know. So exciting.

That's going to be fun. I know. And KK's in there. Who else? Who else we got? Sarah, obviously, and Talia. And Sean came back. And I think I got everybody else in there. If IK's in there. Who else? Who else we got? Sarah, obviously, and Talia. And Sean came back. And I think I got everybody else in there.

If I didn't, hello. Rachel was in for a little bit. Be busy, busy. All right. So again, with Rumble, it's our favorite. So make sure you're following. Make sure you like it. There's a little like button.

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We actually have like a direct link now before it was like a bunch of stuff. So now we have an actual direct link. So yeah, we've got, we've got our new foundation church shirt on there as well. Pink. Uh, it's,

it's women's pink FCT. When you look for it, it's like on the, it's towards the bottom. It's a black shirt super cute so lots of girls are wearing it lots of girls are wearing it that material is so yeah it's all about the material

it's all about the material it's so soft it's so nice and this is our newest our hat and we've got our ladies conference coming up August 22nd to the 24th. We are taking closer and closer.

So if you have any questions about it, again, you can email us any questions. But there are hotels in the area. There's a hotel in the area that's nice. And we happily send people there. So check it out. It's only a few years old. Yeah, brand new. And again, it's right near a Moe's.

So what more could you want? There's a Kentucky Fried Chicken. Oh, KFC. That's right near a moe's so like what more could you want there's a kentucky fried chicken oh ksc that's right ksc is near there uh culvers culvers culvers um a dance studio they could do some dancing or go and watch or go watch marco's pizza bread burger king that's a little bit for it yeah but and again right across the street There's like Popeyes That's true There's all those And then even a little bit Further down there is There's like the

I don't know how you say it But it's C-H-I-P-O-T-L-E Chipotle Chipotle Chipotle Now he's getting mad at me I don't ever say it right I just stick with it

I say it like you do I know Chipotle But I also say McDonald's And I get in trouble I also say Tuesday And Wednesday I can't help it So

You be you I am Speaking of can't help it. You be you. I am. Speaking of. We have these beautiful shirts. You be you. It's Tuesday. Tuesday. It's okay, though.

We love you still. Yeah. I don't know. Let's, like, is that northern? I don't know. Tuesday, Wednesday? Tuesday? Tuesday?

I don't know. How do you say it? It's Tuesday. Tuesday. You're saying Tuesday. Uh-uh. She goes, uh-uh. Uh-uh. No. Okay. how do you say it it's tuesday tuesday you're saying tuesday no okay well i think it's my dad it probably is it's from my dad it's his fault i'm blaming him how do you say he's not alive anymore how do you say thursday you can't come back and get me thursday and friday thursday friday mond, Wednesday. Oh, yeah. It's only Tuesday and Wednesday. And I notice

it all the time. It bugs me, but I never say anything. Obviously. Oh, I like it. And I get in trouble because I say McDonald's. I don't know how I have to think. McDonald's. You have to think about it. You probably are saying it right, though. It's McDonald's.

It probably is supposed to be McDonald's. It is McDonald's. You have to think about it. You probably are saying it right, though. It's McDonald's. It probably is supposed to be McDonald's. It is McDonald's. Old McDonald's at a farm. Thank you. That's what it sounds like. But I think it's actually M-A-C. It is. How he, how old McDonald's says it, I think it's M-A-C.

That's what I get told. It's not M-A-C. It's M-C. It is M-A-C. I'm the McHenry. So I get it. But I don't say MC, H-E-N-R-Y. That's my maiden name.

But I don't say McDonald's like McHenry. I don't know. I think it's my dad. Again, I blame him. When all else fails, blame him. That's what my mom always said. You just blame me. I was like, fair enough. We need counseling.

You always blame the parents. Yes, exactly. It's my mom's fault. If something's wrong with me, it's one of my parents' fault. And my children, it's all theirs. Yeah, exactly. Never me. Never.

Never ever. Is that it? Yeah, that's it. That's all going on that's all that's all we got going on sweet deal sweet deal we're gonna go straight to the questions we got some really good questions uh to go over and uh i don't know if it's the second one the second one might uh yeah it might put a little b in people's bonnets it might be a little bit of an issue for them. Okay. Spicy. That's all right. Stay tuned. It's a controversial subject that a lot of people have a very difficult. I've talked about it before, but whatever.

Okay, so let's go to the first one. Why was it okay in the Old Testament for one man to have multiple wives and it is not considered adultery, or was it ever okay? Jesus clearly defines marriage between one man and one woman in Mark 10, 6-9, but the Old Testament tells us of men who were blessed by God but still slept with women other than their wives, whether it was multiple wives or mistresses, concubines. Was it just because in the time period we were still populating the earth?

Well, let me tell you, it was never, there's absolutely no scriptures that show that it was ever okay. And God never intended for men and women to have, men to have multiple wives. It was supposed to always be one man, one woman. And so if you look at polygamy, nothing good comes from polygamy, nothing. Even in the biblical times when men did it, there was conflict among the women always. And then the man had to deal with the backbiting and the issues. I mean, for crying out loud, Abraham's the perfect example of it. So I don't think, I mean, I researched the Bible. There is no scripture that said it was okay. There's only scriptures that said do not do it.

You are correct. There were plenty of men that did do it, and they were prosperous. Abraham, again, being one of them. And it doesn't, like, when I did research on this, it wasn't, like, your question was, I mean, your logic behind it to a certain extent is very logical when you say, was it for populating the earth? Which that's logical that I looked into, that was never a consideration of why it would be okay, which is interesting.

What are you smiling about, Sarah? I just typed in the chat. I said, where's Aaron when you need him? Because he's got some interesting opinions on this topic. He's not in the chat right now. I'm going to text him. Oh, my. Yeah, get him in here.

He has some interesting why it was okay for polygamy. What does Aaron want to be? A polygamist? Yes. I don't know if he wants to be. Oh, don't say that. I'm just joking. I'm just joking.

I'm just pranking. It's a prank. Because you know what? If you say that, people will actually think you're serious. I'm just joking. I'm just joking. I'm just pranking. It's a prank. Because you know what? If you say that, people will actually think you're serious. I know. I know. I'm just joking. I'm just joking.

It was a joke. It's a joke. Just a prank, guys. Just a prank. He's very happy. He's an amazing wife that I love very much. I love her too. She's the best person ever.

They don't make them like that. No, they don't. Nobody does. No. You don't need more than one. You've got Naz. He's like Tom, though. He can't handle more than one.

Yeah. And listen, Naz is about as easy as it gets. Oh, my gosh. She's just the best. you've gotten you've gotten as he's like tom though he can't handle more than one yeah and and listen now it's about as easy as it gets oh my gosh he's just the best so that girl yeah genesis 128 says then god blessed them and god said to them be fruitful and multiply fill the earth and subdue it and um but that didn't say that he said that god said that to Adam and Eve. He didn't say, Adam, once you have, this is kind of disgusting, but Adam, you and Eve start having babies. And the girls, your sons are going to, which they did, you're going to marry, your sons are going to be with your daughters. So a sister and brother will be together.

And then you're going to like ancestestually take care of multiplying the earth. It didn't happen like that. Thank you, Jesus. Talia is like, I can't handle this. Sarah's daughter's over there having a heart attack. Tempest, you didn't know that that's how brothers insist? Does it have polygamy in it also? Probably.

Yeah. And that's how they did it. Even like with, I mean, hello, let's think about Noah and his sons and stuff. How do you think that happened? Yep, true. I mean, back then, like nowadays, if you live in West Virginia or you come from Kentucky and incest is the best, like you're having three armed children and a cyclops.

Oh, my gosh. OK, so I'm saying to you is back then that didn't happen. There's a hedge of protection around you and your children. You do that today. Not sure what's going to be coming out. Could be rough. Could be rough. Now everybody's like, what the heck?

Well, in like Renaissance, like in a lot of those eras, they would do it on purpose to keep the bloodline that well that's that's why g that's what jesus god that's what god wanted with the that he kept the clans together do you know what i mean like you had to do it with your brother or your cousin to like keep it in the family in those times like the royal families were like they didn't want to bring in and in breeding yeah they didn't want to yeah because the again but that's no different than like with poor talia over there but but that's why like that god purpose like if you were from the

tribe of benjamin you were going to be with a benjamin knight you're going to stay in that family that's why uh sarah for isaac sent the the servant back to her family, back to her brother's house, so they could get one from their family to marry the son. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. So Isaac married, I think, well, Isaac married his cousin, Rachel,

because it was his uncle's daughter. Isaac and Rachel, Leah and Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, and Rachel. It's Isaac and Rebecca. Thank you. It's ours. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, cousins married each other.

First cousins. And then it just kept going from there. Yeah. That's the way it goes. A lot of people obviously know that, but you all had to get here somehow. Yep, it's true. The bloodlines have thickened. They're much bigger, Talia. Don't worry.

But hey, listen, I have known people who have dated within their family. Yeah. Were they from Kentucky? No. Oh, no. Tracy. We're from West Virginia. I'm just wondering.

West Virginia. Okay. Where's people? West Virginia. I mean, if you want to stay close Arcadia Arcadia yeah there's everywhere there's people there's people there's people Massachusetts out you go out west Springfield area I don't know I don't know what's going on out there did you know people who dated each other no but like I knew people who like brought their cousin to prom for sure.

But they brought their cousin because nobody else would go with them. Not because they were dating their cousin. Hopefully. I know, but then like everyone's got a hot cousin though if you think about it. Oh my God. Not me. No, that is true. I did not.

You think about it. I used to be in love with my cousin. You don't have any boy cousins. Don't look at me like that. I don't have any. I didn't have any that were hot, that were near my age. Yeah. I didn't have a lot, so that might have something to do with it.

But they weren't hot. Yeah. Sweet, but. Yeah. Not your taste. Erin said that Florida has the highest inc incestry in america i believe it and alaska is second all right are you kidding me i take it all back logan and jare so sorry i'm from florida

so now it's all see you reap what you sow you sow. You did it. You did it now. There you go. I wonder where Massachusetts is on the list. Probably 49. Where does he find these statistics? Exactly. Yeah, how does Aaron know that? Where is this? We just blindly believe him. I know. Well, Aaron said. Why are we doing that? That's our first

mistake. Yeah. It's my fault. I texted him and told him we were talking about this. and he hopped right on yeah no oh my gosh okay okay he'll he'll he'll come off because we're gonna leave the incest right now okay okay but but here's the thing with with there is no scripture there's no nothing and and here's the thing like the ten commandments happened after some of these guys had multiple wives so like there was the law because the law is don't commit adultery right so they did when they were they were committing adultery. Yeah. And God still found favor. How that works, I do not know.

I do not know. Yep. But, I mean, Abraham escapes it. Other people escape it. Like his sons and stuff like that, they escape that because there was no law. And before law, anything before law, like people don't realize like thou shalt not lie. Thou shalt not do this stuff. Well, they didn't have that.

That's pre-law. That's a whole different world. That's a whole different thing. That's why with Abraham paying tithe, there was no, that's why that's a big deal. People get so caught up in paying tithe is not a New Testament thing, but that's why Tom always takes it back to, no, Abraham. And the priest of Mechizedek, Abraham gave 10% to the priest.

And we are from Abraham. So we're under the covenant of Abraham. And that's where that takes all of that away. But even, even pre 10 commandments, there were certain things that are certain pre law, there were certain things like, when I say law, I don't just mean the 10 commandments. I mean, like, the things like we read in Leviticus and Deuteronomy and things like that, that was before them. So they didn't have to live by those things. But there were still things that even though they weren't in existence,

they were still happening during their time. One being like tithe and offering. And sacrifices, because there were sacrifices. Noah gave a sacrifice. So it's just like, it's so crazy how even though there were certain things that did not exist, they still happened. Isn't that crazy? Like some things, I don't looked upon as honor to him, the people that were righteous did those things,

even though there weren't, there was nothing in existence to say, this is what you must do. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like the law said, if you send, then you sacrifice two doves or ram or whatever.

And the people before the law honored him because it was a sweet aroma to him right they how they knew to do that i don't know i know although they did it who told them i don't know it's just so loud to me that they knew to do that that they didn't do something else to honor him that they did what would later be yeah what's perry stone say about that i tom just busted my chops for that because i was looking up something i was asking him something about something yeah and i was like you know what i'm gonna go and look at perry stone you and perry stone yeah always gotta make sure perry you know what perry stone says about i'm like oh my

well your house when that was happening no that was today okay no it might happen because he busts my chops for that. But if I say, if I want to know something, I'm like, you know what? I'm going to look up a teaching on him. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, do that. Because he knows, like, when it comes to understanding the history and why, like, when Perry Stone says something, it's not based on what Perry Stone believes.

It's because Perry Stone has either looked up the numerology from it. So it was the numerology of that day. He looks up the Greek and Hebrew of what that word exactly meant for that time. He looks up like Josephus. He knows Josephus better than Josephus probably knew himself. I mean, he knows everything that was documented by that historian. Yeah. And why it was for that time frame.

Right. Do you know what I'm saying? Right. These two dorks over here, do you see them? You guys can see them. This is what I see. You just got to see what I see. See those two yahoos over there?

They're laughing at something that one of you dorkuses wrote. Do you want to know what it is? Yeah, go ahead. All this incest talk is making me hungry. Oh. That was Sarah. I was going to say, you would never believe who posted it. Because I was like, what?

I thought she was going to say something else, and I'll tell you guys later. Oh, no, I already know. That's what I thought she was going to say. I'm like, that's gross. But I'm glad you said hungry. Yes, she did. But you cook a lot, so that makes sense. Yeah, that's what makes her happy.

Well, because she's thinking of food. She cooks. Sarah does not understand what I mean by that. I mean, I kind of do, but I don't know what incest would have to do with that. I don't either. Sarah, I'm going to call you later. We'll find out what's going on. Maybe it's the wrong H word.

Oh. Uh-oh. I don't know. What? Next question. I'm going to stick with hungry because that's way better than the other H word. Tell me to please stop. What is that?

Tell me because please stop. Let's go back to Perry Stone. Okay, okay. That'll wipe everything away right there. Done, done and done and done go ahead i'm done with perry okay all i'm saying is we're gonna check out what he has to say about it yeah yeah okay um i did check out what he said though about like polygamy i try to look up all that stuff yeah nothing there's nothing because there's nothing i mean it is like that question is very like it's stuff that I've thought about myself. I mean, it's a great question.

Like, why was it OK? Right. But it was not OK. Right. And why wasn't there a consequence? But there was a consequence because like the men, their lives were pretty rough having all those women. Yeah. And if you look at Solomon, it ruined his it ruined his walk with God.

Like it took him down a really dark because God specifically said, don't do that. Right. And he married all these women that had other gods. And because of that, it took him down a really bad path. Yeah. So even though, like, there wasn't a punishment as far as, you know, like, you're sinning, you're hellbound, that kind of thing. Like, their lives probably were hell on earth. Yeah.

I mean, can you imagine? Like, I can't imagine, like, two or three of me being married to one man. Can you imagine, like, a man, like, having 600? Like, Solomon had, like, 600 or 800 wives or something. Like, you've lost your mind Like you've lost your mind. You've lost your mind. But the Song of Solomon, he only had one true love.

Yeah, true. His main true love. Which makes sense. Yep. There's always one that's special. I can promise you this. If Tom was married to multiple women, I would not be number one at the top. I would not be the Song of Solomon.

Yes, you would. Yes, you would. He loves you so much. Oh, he does. He does. But let me just say. Sometimes... He probably would end up picking a bunch of you, though. A bunch of hopes. You might not be their favorite.

Can you imagine? I'd be fighting them left and right, though. Oh, my gosh. Somebody said to me on the phone today, somebody so sweet. Like, I had two phone calls from people today. God is just so good. Two people that call this church their home. One that comes here physically in the building, and then another one that does not.

And they were both saying how much they love and appreciate this church and how dramatically it has changed them. And they were one of them was saying, like, how like for me, like, because he sees Tom in the pulpit. He was like, man, that must be something with him. Like, not in a negative way, but like he was like, man, that must be something, living with him. Not in a negative way, but he's like, really, it's me. I mean, Tom's like, he is right. He causes most of the problems, but I'm just saying, he's easy.

He's easy, because he's just quiet into himself. I mean, he's very funny, but he's not like, I mean, Talia knows. She's lived in my house pretty much. Tom's not really. He's chill. I come in, he says hi, I say hi, and that's it. Yeah, he's not like i mean talia knows she's lived in my house pretty much tom's not really he's chill come in he says hi say hi and that's it yeah he's chill yeah he doesn't raise his voice he doesn't like like what he's in the pulpit is totally different so i'm the one that's like what he is in the pulpit i'm usually the one at home

getting things done yeah that's right, girl. Next question. This is the spicy. And it's not spicy. It's just what a lot of people have a real hard time. And listen, I'm going to ask you to look something up. I might have Sarah do it so you can keep going. I want you to look up the statistics.

And I meant to do this before, but I was working on something else. Look up the statistics of how many people pay tithes, tithes, not offering. What are the statistic numbers or statistical percentages of people who give a tithe in a church? It used to be like 12 or 13%. It says five. Oh, it probably is now. Everything is declined.

Yeah, it says about 5%. 5% give in a church. Tithe, yes. Tithe, pay tithe. Because it's different. A lot of people pay offering because an offering is nothing. I was going to say.

An offering is like a dollar. Lots of people throw dollars in. Right. That's nothing. But tithe is way different. So the percentage of people who pay tithe in a church is now 5%. It used to be like 12 or 13%. And then it went up to like 18%. And now it's falling back down. But if you look at the statistical, we just put in the newsletter, which everybody, if you don't get the Foundation Church newsletter, you need to sign up for that. But we just put in the newsletter that just went out today,

the graph that shows how many people read their Bible on a regular basis. It's staggering. It ain't good. From daily to quarterly to yearly. It's bad to not, gosh. Yeah.

It's bad to not at all. Yeah. It's not good. It's not good. So I have statistics. It says 5% of churchgoers tithe regularly. 50% of those who donate give about 2% of their income. Regular attendees give 1,737 more per year than those who attend less than once a month. Okay, but even the ones that give,

so the ones that give the 2% or the 5% only give 2% of what they make? So it says 5% of churchgoers tithe regularly. And then the next bullet says 50% of those who donate. I don't know if that's tithe they're offering. Give 2% of their income. This is interesting though. Yeah, let's hear it.

The small crew that's committed to their giving, that 5%, more than three quarters of them give more than ten percent oh wow yeah that i do believe the people that are tithing out because they see 77 percent are giving more than the 10 percent that they are you know you know i do believe that because like um i'll get phone calls from people who like do reoccurring online, and they'll call me up, and they're already faithful tithers. And I know that they're tithing because they basically say, but every year they'll say, hey, we're up in what we're giving.

They're retired, so it's not that their income has changed. They're taking their giving to the next level, which totally backs up. But there's a lot of, I mean, that's what me and Tom try and do. We always try and we always do more than what we bring in. And so our offering is always, you know, we give tithe and we give offering,

and then you try and give above and beyond to other ministries as well as with that. But that's not surprising, Sarah, that most of the 5% give more. Because they understand the principle. It works. But that's what Tom was talking about on, which just so happens this question was before Tom spoke on Sunday. But that's what Tom was trying to say. The church is going nowhere. And it's not to say the church needs tithe and offering.

God will make sure that this place stays open. And if it's supposed to stay open, it'll stay open regardless. If it's supposed to close, it's because God's, it's God's timing. And it's, that's just the way it goes. It's nothing more than that.

But when we talk about giving, and I mean the girls in this room, Tom, or anybody else that leads a hub, when they talk about giving, I really, really wish I could. And Tom tries to say it. the girls in this room, Tom, or anybody else that leads a hub, when they talk about giving, I really, really wish I could. And Tom tries to say it. It's not for us. We don't care. Like, we're not telling you to give because we're desperate for it. We're trying to tell you to give because of the blessings and the benefits that are behind it for you. Like a lot of people are scrimping and barely getting by. And if you would just give, you would be blown away. People

tell me all the time, why, when they finally start doing, why did I wait so long to do this? This is, I am kicking myself because they are now seeing where it says, test me in this, where God said, test me in it and giving. And now they're seeing where they tested him and they now seeing where it says test me in this, where God said test me in it and giving. And now they're seeing where they tested him and they're seeing where he is opening the windows of heaven. And so, but you might have to do it more than, you know, a lot of times people give and they want to see the results like within two weeks. Sometimes God's going to test you

and see how faithful you are to see the results. And a lot like what other people do is they'll give one week, they skip the next, they give one. They're not consistent. There's not consistency. So you've really not changed. But this is the question. Thanks for those stats because I'm very pleased. But 5% is staggering and way worse than I thought it was. But the numbers of people who actually attended church from 2017 to now. And that too, right. Is insane how many people have quit going to church. Yeah.

They're dropping like flies. Yeah. Dropping like flies. It's insanity. Like, it's crazy. And then if you look at, in like 1970, 1985, I think, not 18, 1985, I want to say 79 is what our 77 was like. 49% attended church on a regular basis.

It's less than 20% now. That's not that long ago. No, I know. I believe it too. It's crazy. So the question is, I am very new to prosperity and faith teaching. And although I see scripture for it in the Bible,

I don't know if I totally agree with it. The doctor I grew up in taught that not having money keeps you humble. And that if you are rich, it is hard to get into heaven. So when I hear that God wants to have, when I hear God wants, must be wants us to have a lot of money or that I should be healed every time I am sick, I have a hard time believing it. Can you break it down

for me so that I can understand better? I can probably guess where this doctrine was that they grew up with. But everything that you just said is, There's no scripture that backs up The doctrine that you grew up with Doctrines are not good Doctrines are man-made We don't follow man-made rules and doctrines We follow the Bible And if you follow the Bible every single time

You will be successful in your walk with God. But man's interpretation of what the Bible says is doctrine. And that's very, very dangerous because they can lead you astray. So let's look at, so you refer to a scripture about being rich, about it being hard or being humbled by not being wealthy. But let's look at Matthew 19, 24. The girls don't have these scriptures because I forgot to give them to them.

This one I had done like last week. Sorry. It's okay. I'll write it into the chat. So Talia, if she misspells a word, guys, he's up shorty. Grace. She's going to like, she's going to, listen.

She's got the pressure on her. She's got sweat dripping off her brow. She's super nervous. She's got Sarah though. Not that bad. Sarah, when I, I mean Talia, when I told Talia, I don't, told Talia, Tracy doesn't have the scripture, she looked at me like, are you kidding me?

So it may not be that bad, but it ain't that good either. Great attitude, Tal. I know. Matthew 19, 24 says, and again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. A lot of people have misused this because they don't understand what this actually, what Jesus was actually saying in these verses.

And this is one of my biggest pet peeves with people when they take scriptures and they misuse them or they misunderstand them or they take them just at the face value of what they see. A lot of times, and you say, well, why can't I read the Bible and take it for face value? Well, because the thing is, is you have to understand who Jesus was talking to or who someone was talking to. Why was he saying it? The people in the room, was it Pharisees and Christians? Was it just the disciples? Because a lot of things, things matter. And are you looking at it in a Western mindset?

Are you looking at it in an Eastern mindset? All of that matters. Was it a tradition of man or was it something that Jesus had implemented himself? There's a whole bunch of things. So what Jesus was saying right there is that it is impossible for someone to be saved on their own merits. And back then, rabbis taught that if you were rich, that you were blessed by God and that you had a better chance or that you had the approval of God. You being wealthy was proof that you were approved by God, that you were blessed by God, and that you are going to be heaven bound. If you did not have money, the odds of you going to heaven were slim because if you had money, then you would be blessed

and then you would have the approval of God. Does that make sense, ladies? So what Jesus is saying here is he's like, he is like, like knocking everything. Like he is like ticking off the rabbis, the Pharisees, the Sadducees. He's ticking them off because they've been teaching that, that they're the ones that are approved by God. The proof in the pudding is, is we're rich. We're blessed.

We have rich. We're blessed. We have wealth. So what Jesus is saying is, no, wealth does not show any merit of your salvation or how the acceptability of God and how he looks at you. Okay. So that's a huge, I mean, that changes that whole scripture completely. Does that, do you understand what I'm saying, ladies? Yep. He, in one little, or how many verses is that? In one verse, he literally destroyed the rabbis

and what they had been teaching. He gave hope to the poor and to the sinner and to the people who thought that I may never be wealthy. Like what hope do I have to be saved and have eternal life? And what Jesus is basically saying, that's not anything of what God looks at. And so I would say to you, I want to be very careful because I don't want to turn you off to the prosperity message because you're already kind of turned off to the prosperity True. So what I don't want to do is like, what I want to do is make sure that I renew your mind without causing offense. Because what happens is, especially when you attack somebody's,

when you attack somebody's theology or their doctrine that they've grown up in all their life, what happens is people put up walls and they sit there and go, okay, I didn't get that at all. That verse makes no sense to me what you just said. Right? Yep. What I would say to you is study it out.

Right. Show me I'm wrong. Study it out and see, were rabbis really doing that? Yeah. Was that what was going on in that time? And when Jesus said that, was that really what he was trying to say? Because I can promise you, back in the day, preachers would say, this is what that verse means.

That it was really hard to unpack everything. They would have these little doors, and at night they'd lock everything down, and the only way for you to come in after a certain time frame was to unpack that donkey. Unpack that donkey. Get him to crawl through that little needle hole, which they considered the little doorway. They called that the eye of the needle. That they have since found out that was not true. All of that stuff that preachers were teaching, that was not true.

But go back to what was actually, who Jesus was actually talking to at the time and what was going on in that moment. And so when people talk about money, it is such a, or healing. That's why I'm like, this question is going to be a hot topic. Because anytime you mess with somebody's money, I've never seen people be so nasty, except for when they're hungry.

You touch their money. Or you tell them that God wants them well. That's wild. The blessings of God will make people just, they don't want it. Because in order to get blessed to in order to get blessed, you have to do something. And I mean, blessed as far as in healing, in order to receive healing, you have to take responsibility, you have to dig in, you have to understand, why is this not happening for me? What what is my stopgap? And the same thing goes with when

you're financially having major issues, like making sure every bill is paid. And then somebody sits there and tell them, well, give your money away. And then you're like, you're nuts. I'm not doing that. Because it goes against everything that internally you want to do. And it takes away your control and power but again you know the foolish things confound the wise isn't that what what jesus said yep and so what you believe what you believe to be accurate god wants to show you that you're you're wrong

you're the foolish things what were you. What do you got to say, Sarah? So Matthew 6, 24 says that no one can serve two masters. Yeah. You'll hate one and love the other or the opposite, and you cannot serve God and mammon, which is the spirit of money. And so whether you have just enough or you don't have enough or like you're focusing on the wrong thing

because it's all God's anyway. Where did you get every single penny that you've already gotten? Who gave you the ability to work? Who gave you your gifts and talents and your skills? God, it's already all his. And then the other thing is that how are we supposed to show the world

that we love if we're not giving? Because God so loved the world that he gave. Yep. Everything. He gave his son. Yeah. But the act of giving, I think I've heard pastors say this a lot of times, is that you can give without loving, but you can't love without giving it's true though 100 100 so they need to check their heart it's a heart issue if they're like worried about money at all like there's times that things are tough the tithe doesn't necessarily mean that all of a sudden you're going to have like your bank account's going to quadruple or you know like yeah it just means that there's a god is rebuking the devourer there's a there's a peace over your life it's not all about the financial what you're getting back from tithing

it's not like well i've been tithing for six months and i you know my bank account's still the same that check yourself before you wreck yourself. It's definitely a heart issue. It's not about the money. It's almost like they're trying to prove that God isn't true, you know? Yeah, because when he says test me in it, and then you're like, I did test him. You didn't test him right, though. That's what I hear in people,

and they get really ugly about it, and then they turn their back towards the whole message because of a situation. I mean, you look at Adalys and Jonathan and they stayed in a rental house, a condo for 17 years and she's turning 40 and she's like, man, like I, I know what that feels like to be like, man, I, I wish I was further along. I wish I had a house. I wish I had Camilla in a room and she could paint her room, like all these thoughts, but they knew what, if it was supposed to come from God, it will come from God

and they weren't going to get in the way of that. And so I just, I like you just be faithful and where your treasure is there. Your heart will be too. True. Yeah. Yeah. I, but even for me, I sit there and go like, I've tied since I was a little girl and the things that have come my way. Yeah. Yeah. There's no, there is no way you're going to convince me that that would have happened and the things that have come my way, there is no way you're going to convince me that that would have happened if I didn't pay tithe. It's not possible. It's not possible. But if you read that scripture, Matthew 19, 24, it says,

And again I say to you, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Jesus was specifically speaking about the Pharisees,e sadducees and the rabbis who all thought that they had it going on he was calling them out and they didn't like it but then he follows it up with in 20 verse 26 with man this is impossible and not with god all things are possible with god and so you sit there and you sit there and go as long as you follow that scripture, you don't have to worry about things.

With man, it is impossible. But you're not without God. So all things are possible with him. So how are we saved? In Ephesians 2, 8 through 9, it says, For by grace you have been saved through faith and not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not the works, it says, By grace you have been saved through faith, and not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not the works, lest anyone

should boast. And that's what a lot of times, when Jesus was talking about the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and even the teachers of that day, it was all about their self-righteousness. But God is saying that His gifts are grace, mercy, and faith.

And so, we don't earn our salvation. It's been earned for us by the blood of Jesus. And you believe that being poor is being righteous. Being poor is not righteous. It's like Sarah was saying. You can't give what you don't have. So how are you going to bless somebody So how are you going to bless somebody? How are you going to help somebody?

Who wants to be poor? The world looks at you and go, you're like me. I don't want what you got. I already got what you got. No, thank you. And it says, and when he talks about the poor, and I love this, the poor in spirit are the ones who inherit the kingdom of God, not the poor, and I love this. The poor in spirit are the ones who inherit the kingdom of God, not the poor in wealth.

If you're poor and you don't have no money, that is not the ones who inherit the kingdom of God. It's the poor in spirit. Totally different. So don't buy what you've been sold in a doctrine. It's very dangerous, and you're living in lack, and you're living with less because you choose a doctrine of man instead of the word of God. So let's look at this. There's some big questions I have. What scriptures say we should be poor and who are called to give to the

poor? So that's a question that I absolutely have for you. It says, which I wrote is what scriptures say we should be poor? Because apparently that's what the doctrine says. I would love to know what the doctrine is that says that, because I just said that the one that says it's hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven, or it's hard for a rich man, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a noodle. That's not, I just blew that one out of the water.

Study it out, I promise you I'm not wrong. And then I want to know where we are called to be poor because Jesus said he became poor so that we might be rich. That's why he came to the earth. That was one of the benefits of him coming. Proverbs 28 through 27, this is the New Living Translations. Let me repeat this one more time for Tal, but it's Proverbs 28 through 27, this is the New Living Translations. Let me repeat this one more time for Tal, but it's Proverbs 28, 27.

Whoever gives to the poor will lack nothing. So are you giving? Because it goes right back to what Sarah was saying. It's exactly what Sarah was saying. Whoever gives to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to poverty will be cursed. I don't want to be cursed. Well, thank you.

So I do try and give. I'm not giving to every homeless person out there that's going to use it to get drunk and get high. But when I see someone in need in this church on a regular basis, when we have people who are in need, we're giving to them. We're helping them. We're helping a family right now that's having a very tough time recurring recovering from hurricane ian no one's wanting to help them so we are going to help them but if we do that if we didn't have money yeah that's right exactly how do you do that without money money makes a terrible master but a very good slave

but here's the thing. What does it say in the scriptures? The love of money is the root of all evil. Not money is the root of all evil. It's the love of it. We are all working for it every day. So if it's so bad, why are you going to stop working? Give it all away.

But it's true. All I want to do is be somebody. I don't think you're poor enough. Right. No. I don't think you are poor enough right no I don't think you are poor enough it's ridiculous it's the mindset just makes no sense it reminds me of when Jonathan sat in first class next to this very wealthy woman and she found out that he was

an evangelist she's like um but basically what are you doing in first class? He's like, because I'm blessed. And she was like, shouldn't, like she had the mindset, if you are in the ministry, you shouldn't be wealthy. You shouldn't be. And he said to her, are you a Christian? She's like, yeah.

And he's like, then you should be poor too. He's like, you're sitting here, you're in here you're in first class you've just sat and told me about the job that you have the pay that you get the blessing that like all these blessings that she has he's like why why is it okay for you and it's not okay for me yeah and she had to sit there and go touche touche it's true i know it's simple it makes no sense it's what we've been taught. It's a doctrine

of devils. It is. A hundred percent. A doctrine of devils. The enemy doesn't want why would he want us to have money and take care of because when you have a heart towards people because you love people because God loves people, you're going to want to help people. I did not come with wise and persuasive words but a demonstration of the Spirit's power. Okay, what is the power?

The power is to heal. The power is to financially bless people to help them absolutely to pay their bills to pay their rent i mean like if like think about it have you ever paid somebody's like bill when they couldn't pay it like like it the stress that like melts off of them is like why would you not want to do that for somebody? And then it opens a door. Why would you do something like that for me? Because God loves you so much. That he told me to do this for you.

It makes him tangible. He is the tangible Jesus. Amen. At that moment. But Satan doesn't want that. And the thing is, is people are falling prey. 95% of all Christians are falling prey to the lie. And they do without and lack.

First John, but keep doing it, right? Keep doing it and see how it seems like it's working for you. Yeah, exactly. To me, it's not working for you. I would never, I could never go back and not pay tithe an offering yeah you would have to there's no way i'd be scared to death yep and people are like that's because you have it listen no that's not true i've had to write the check yeah and an offering on top of that when i was like i don't know like i don't know it Like, I don't know. It might not be there. Like the bill, a bill might not get paid.

And I'm like, I'd rather not pay the bill. Cause I know if I write this check, I got a hundred percent guarantee that that other check or any other bills that I need paid will get paid. And it always is. It does. It always does. Yeah.

But you don't, you don't, you don't invest in, in what the word of God says. It's does. But you don't invest in what the Word of God says. It's risky. I'm not taking that risk. Not doing it. 1 John 3.17 in the New King James Version, it's 1 John 3.17, it says, But whoever has this world's goods and sees his brother in need

and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him? Exactly what she just said. It's exactly what Sarah just said. So how do you give the poor if you're poor? You can't. So that scripture would not apply to you. And again, I go back to who wants what you got if you're no different than them. I wouldn't want to be a Christian if the people that surrounded me were poor or lived with lack or less than. I'd be like, no thanks. I can do bad by myself. I don't need help.

Luke 6.38 says, Luke 6.38 says, Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure. Press down. Shaken together. And running over will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use it,

you use, it will be measured back to you. So I will say to you this, how does a person create a doctrine when that scripture right there, Luke 6, 38, says completely opposite of what doctrines teach? How did they miss that scripture? Yeah, I don't know. Well, they just said, well, you can give lots of things. You know, you can give of your time and talents, which is all true.

Oh, yeah, I've heard that too. I give of my time and my talents. That's not what he asked you. He asked you for all. Oh, yeah. I've heard that too. I give up my time and my talents. Yeah. That's not what he asked you. He asked you for all. Right. Yeah. I don't know. And for me, it's like, there's plenty of rich people in the Bible.

And I'm going to give you a list of them. There was plenty of rich people in the Bible. So why are we any different? Joseph, who was called Barnabas. And Barnabas was Paul's partner. Acts 4.36 through 37 shows where he gave some land. He was wealthy. He was a wealthy guy. He was also cousins with John Mark, he was not only going with Paul, he won a lot, a lot of people to the Lord, okay? But he was very wealthy.

Dorcas, who was also called Tabitha, Acts 9.36. Cornelius, Acts 10.1. These are New Testament believers. And this guy's name is Sergius Paulus, whatever. Acts 13, 6 through 12. Lydia, Acts 16, 14 through 15. A lot of women supported Jesus, and a lot of them supported the apostles

who were originally the disciples that went out into the ministry. Jason, Acts 17, 5 through 9. Aquila and Priscilla, who were one the disciples that went out into the ministry. Jason, Acts 17, 5 through 9. Aquila and Priscilla, who were one of the first. Priscilla was also kind of like a co-pastor with her husband. They had one of the first home churches. Acts 18, 2 through 3. Nason of Cyprus, Acts 21-16, Philemon, which is Philemon 1. Then if we look at, let's look at the Old Testament.

We have Abraham, Genesis 13-2, Isaac, Genesis 26-3, Joseph, we all know who Joseph was. Genesis 41, 37 through 44. David, King David, 2 Samuel 7, 9. Solomon, his son, 1 Kings 10, 14 through 25. I'm going to show you where it says in Scripture we are called to be wealthy, okay? And if God, and listen, like Abraham, he was, Abraham loved,

well, David was a man after God's own heart. Abraham was the father of many nations. These guys were, Abraham was wealthy as all get out. Job, very wealthy. Then it was taken from him.

And then what God did, he doubled it back up on him. Right? So there are plenty of people. I only gave you a few. There are so many men and women in the Bible who are very wealthy. If there's men and women in the Bible that were wealthy, why can't we be wealthy? Why should we, again, be in lack?

Proverbs 10, 22 says, It is the blessing of the Lord that makes rich, and he adds no sorrow to it. Listen, this is what I love about Jonathan and Adalys. They make no apologies. I don't. Me and Tom, we make no apologies. God blesses our socks off all the time. I do not apologize for that, and I will not apologize for that.

I do what the Word of God says, and because I do it, I am not cursed with a curse. I do not apologize. And I love it that they're like that. I love it that he takes a picture of himself in front of that flipping plane. I love it. Me too. Me too. Because somebody's going to talk about it. So you might as well talk about it. Well, you know what the crazy thing is? The world doesn't say anything about him having that plane. Yep. Christians do, though. Yep. And it goes right back to what Tom was talking about on Sunday.

Christians will eat you up, spit you out. Yep. Like that. Yep. But the world looks at Jonathan and goes, I want what he got. How did he get that? And then they're like drawn to finding out what is this what is this preacher yeah what is going on he's talking about uh-huh but the world are the christians they're the ones

with the problem it's shameful yeah shameful because that scripture right there proves that he should expect that proverbs 10 22 it is a blessing of the Lord that makes rich and he adds no sorrow to it. When good things happen to you, you should go out and tell the world. You should promote it because God just did that for you. You should not keep it quiet. You should celebrate it. And anybody who has a problem with it, that's their problem, not yours. Yeah, good heart check too. But a lot of times people, like what bothers people, I was just talking to Travis about this.

The things that bother people and they get a little bit of a, it's like a little prick to them. It's because either it doesn't happen in their marriage or it doesn't happen in their family or it's non-existent in this or it doesn't apply to them in that so when it's spoken or it's preached or it's taught exactly they have an issue with it why is it because they're jealous they're envious and or it doesn't

relate to them but that's their problem that doesn't relate to them. Not the person who's talking about its problem. Yep. That's the problem. Don't accept it. Celebrate it. Yeah. I love it. Like Drew and Tara. Yeah.

About when God blessed them and gave them that huge, like, wrote off their mortgage, like, huge amount. Yeah. I loved it that they don't keep quiet about it. That they celebrate that they share that because guess what? You just brought hope to how many other people that God did that for you. He'll do it for me. They didn't keep it quiet. I love that about them. It's powerful. Proverbs 3, 9 through 10 says, honor the Lord with your wealth and with the first fruits of your harvest. Then your barns will be filled with plenty and your vats will overflow with new wine.

So when you get paid, first 10%. Like for me and Tom, a lot of times I just do it all because I don't know what's going to come in that whole entire month. So I have it set on recurring. And then if something comes in, but it's already set aside. It's already set aside. Yeah. It's already set aside. So do that. Make it be that it's set in stone that this amount of money is coming out because pretty much we all know.

Like Sarah doesn't because they own their own business. You kind of do because you've been doing it long enough. So there's some of us that can just make it. And then there's some of you that you don't know what it's going to be. So at the end of the month, you've kept track. Right. You write it down. Boom.

Or every two weeks or whatever. But that's what you need to do. You need to be disciplined. You need to make it a part of your life. It needs to be a habit that becomes just like eating every single day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like breathing. Yeah. Like breathing,

like sleeping. It's something that you do because that's what you do. Not like a one-off. Cause there's a lot of people that if they remember it, they do it. It should be something that's always on the forefront of your mind. It should be one of the most important things that you do. Out of, like, loving your spouse,

taking care of your kids, paying your tithe should be right on up there. Malachi, and this is the reason why it needs to be up there. Okay? Malachi 3, 10 through 12 says, Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this, says the Lord Almighty,

and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not drop their fruit before it's ripe, says the Lord Almighty. Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land, the Lord Almighty and it says further on that if you don't there's your curse accursed you will be accursed if you don't so you might want to really think about one of the reasons why I do pay tithe too is I don't want to be cursed with a curse I don't and so I pay my tithes and offerings so that I stay right on in there. Stay right on in there. There's nothing.

There's a hedge of protection that surrounds us. Plus, I don't have to worry about paying my bills. So I love this because Andrew Womack always says this. I hope, again, I hope that you receive what, I hope you'll receive the scriptures. I literally prayed on the way here that hearts and minds would be open to the revelation of God. It says the word does not return void. I can give you my opinion all day long.

But it is far better for me to give you the word. Because you can't fight the word. But I hope what won't happen is, and I love Andrew Womack who says this, don't let the Bible get in the way of what you believe. So I hope that you don't let the Bible get in the way of what you believe. I hope that somehow what you believe, you'll supersede that with the word of God. And you'll understand that being poor does not make you humble. It doesn't make you smarter. It makes you controlling. If you control your money, then what you're saying to the Lord is, I'm in control, you're not. I trust me

more than I trust you. When you came to this earth, he became poor so that I might be rich. What you did there is you're saying, I trust myself with my money more than I trust you, even though you came to this earth so that I could have more. And by his stripes, 1 Peter 2.24, it says, by his stripes we are healed. And I didn't even get into that. But healing is a purchase that's been paid. It floors me when I see people who get healed at this church

then walk away and say, It floors me when I see people who get healed at this church, then walk away and say, I just don't know if I believe in that faith message. Yeah, that's mind-boggling to me. Like you literally were not well, and then you were well. And then you just like, how do you rationalize that in your mind?

And it happens. All the time. It happens. It blows my mind how people will not believe in the faith message, but yet be healed. How can you? I mean, it is faith that has healed you. Without faith, it is impossible to please him. I mean, there are so many scriptures that say,

that talk about this is a faith journey. I mean, we are, I don't know. I don't either. It's got to be like a way to separate it, like that they don't see it the same somehow. I don't know. I don't understand it. I don't either. Because there's got to be faith in healing.

There's got to be faith and belief in salvation. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Can't be faith and belief in salvation. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Can't be saved unless you believe it. Yeah. Which is faith. Which is faith. I know. And if you ask most Christians, I mean, even non-Christians, you're like, are you going, are you going to heaven? Yeah, I'm going to heaven. I'm a good person. You know, like they have faith in that. But, but here's the thing. And every time Jesus asked somebody whether they believed they would be healed, he would say, do you believe or do you have the faith? Or do you have faith?

It's either believe or faith. So I'm like, how do you not believe in the faith? I don't know. It's the, I don't really believe in the prosperity message. I don't believe in the word of faith message. The whole Bible is the word of faith. I know. That's what I don't even, when people ask me that, I'm like, I don't even know how to answer that because. What is the Bible? Am I a word of faith person?

Like, yes. Like, why aren't you? Like, I just don't understand the separation of it and like the titles. And it usually comes from people that grew up in. A doctrine doctrine that almost always almost yeah yeah that's why like all the people that we follow though right jonathan's not a that has no doctrine he's just he's just full gospel like we are we're full gospel yeah pastor rodney full gospel and all of the churches that were affiliated there's no doctrine i know but they want to put a doctrine on you guys and on Jonathan. It's like,

they have to have something to make it make sense. That's why they call them word of faith. And I'm like, I don't, aren't we all like, don't we all have faith? Like, it's just strange to me,

but I don't know. So again, I hope I did not offend. That's not the point. The point is not to offend. Cause once people get offended, they shut down their, their hearts and minds are closed. Again, I don't talk about money or anything like that for any other reason than to free you. I mean, we could give people stories

all day long of how God's come through for them financially. Yeah. And your faith would be built up. Yep. And you'd be like, I buy into this. Yeah. And then the next day, your emotions and your feels all get involved in it. And you're like, eh. Yeah, I don't know. I'm a little fearful of that now.

Yeah. Because it comes from knowing the word. Right. And it comes from, again, Malachi, where it says, test me in this. Understanding, like, he wants you to try him. Yeah. So he can prove to you who he is. Yeah.

If you don't understand that, though, if those words, if those scriptures are not, like, in here, we can talk to you all day long. And it's not that it falls on deaf ears. It just falls on emotions and feelings. And emotions and feelings come and go, and they will not last, and neither will you with giving a tithe and an offering. That's why 5% actually do it. But if you really knew the word, you studied it out, and it became a part of you, then you wouldn't be able to stop yourself from giving. But the word has to be you. It has to be who you are.

The word is what you walk in every single day. It's not that you're reading it every single day. It's who you are. And once it becomes a part of you, then nothing. You can't stop you. And that's how I feel about that. Does anybody want to add anything to this? Because I think sometimes just hearing from one person

or maybe God's giving you guys a story. I don't care that I'm 20 minutes over. Because people are, listen, we're about to go into, if things go the way one party wants it to go, people are really strapped for money right now, and they have no idea what's coming for them. I mean, a lot of people, their heads are buried. I don't know how some people are buying groceries right now.

I don't either. It's insane. It's crazy. It's literally crazy. So for me, I'm like, no, I, my heart really is to like you having more than enough, right? Like having to go to the grocery store and you buy more for somebody else. Like you're buying extra. I know. Yeah. Or I've heard stories. People walk in, they had no money in their wallet. They had no idea how they were going to pay. But God told them, go in there, fill the cart, and before you leave, don't worry about it.

They went in. Gloria Copeland, I believe, is one of the ones that tells the story. She was filling the cart. She's like, I have no idea how this is. This is crazy. I'm kind of nervous. Yeah, I would be. Before she walks out,

somebody pays for the whole entire cart. They didn't even know her. And she just sat there. That's what God wants to do for you. Those stories are not by accident. They didn't just happen to go. Gloria Copeland, that happened to her

before she was Gloria Copeland, people. It's not because somebody saw her and that's Gloria Copeland. I'm buying her cart of groceries for her. She didn't have the money then. No. She had the money by then. When she was Gloria Copeland, like everybody, she didn't need somebody to buy her groceries. She wasn't going in grocery shopping. She was sending Instacart. Yeah, exactly. So like, so good. People that have walked it out have stories because they walked it out. They walked

it out in faith. But do you have anything you want to add? I have a question for you from a viewer. So do you want to go this way? Do you have anything, Sarah? I'm good. Okay. No?

So somebody asked if they've been giving their tithe and offering under the tithe category, should they be splitting it up into different categories? No, because God knows their heart and how it is. I don't. When I do my tithe, I do it as tithe. And then Tom and I pledged and promised a certain amount of money for the building. And so my offering is a very large sum of money. So I put money towards that every single time

because that pledge is what I consider my offering. Before we did the building, then we were just giving an offering. Okay. So. Yeah. But God knows your heart. If you're giving more than what your 10% is,

he's got the breakdown. You don't need to worry about that. Exactly. Okay. That is a good question. He's got the breakdown. You don't need to worry about that. Exactly. Okay. That is a good question. Yeah. Good. Perfect.

Anybody else? No, I think this is all good. I think that like, and just don't give up. Like if you start doing, like you start doing this, just make a decision, start tithing, just do it today, literally do it today and be excited about it. And then don't give up.

Just like, if it if all fails and you end up broke god like he's not a liar so just it really is that's like the test me in this like you will not be broke you won't i see people that started out yeah three weeks i always say give them three months yeah but it usually isn't even past the week to three weeks. And like they've gotten a raise. And it's not a consequence. Or money has come in their bank account that they can't explain how they got it. But once you start it, you need to understand there are many trials and tribulations in this lifetime. But I will deliver you from them all is what the word says.

So you may face trials and tribulations financially. That's where you're going to, you're going to have to test. You're going to pay that tithe and it's going to be like, it's going to be squeaky, you know? And then it may not be that week. It may not be the week after, but every need will be met. And then when it's on, you're on the other side of it it could be two months it could be six months but when you're on the other side of it you're way more ahead than you were before you might have to just go through a trial and a tribulation but uh what's the scripture talk about when you're going through sufferings you you walk them out in joy you choose joys you choose joy and so victory is always on the other side of it.

It's just you got to fight to get to the other side. That's why it's called grinding. Yeah. You grind. Right. And you win. So that it, guys. That's it.

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