The Hope Hotline - The Hope Hotline | S04-E22 | 04-22-2026

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

The Hope Hotline | S04-E22 | 04-22-2026

Hello and welcome to the Hope Hotline. Thank you for joining us today. We are going to move pretty quick this afternoon because last week on Friday, I didn't hit anything that I wanted to talk about. And I think today's topic, which is blessing, is pretty powerful. And I really want to hit it on all scales of or all levels of what I want to talk about. So do you thing, girl. Okay, here we go. And we do have one extra thing.

I'll show you in a second. Sure. This thing over here too. Please. We'll do that at the end. No, no, no, no, no. Do it at the beginning. Because I told her, she, Amory, she, Instagram, DM'd me.

And I told her, I would have it today. Okay. So she was asking. Put the link on there, too, if we can. Yes, I will. Thank you. I'll send it to you, Talia. Okay. Yeah. Her daughter-in-law is pregnant and she mentioned that she's learned that, oh, no, no, sorry. That was the question for Natalie. Okay, okay, let me try again. She mentioned a specific Bible, children's Bible and a past podcast. And her daughter-in-law's baby showers coming up. And so she would love to get a first Bible for her first grand baby boy. So this is the suggestion that you had. It's a new living translation. It's one Trish uses.

It's the one that Trish uses in preschool. Yes, she researched it. So I trust her. I love that. It's NLT. Yes. And it's so cute. So yeah, so that's what the cover looks like.

And then on the inside, this is like one of the examples of one of the first pages. And so this is our suggestion to you. Talia dropped it in the chat. Perfect. And we are only live on Rumble and Facebook today because of YouTube. So definitely head over into either of those. And actually, Talia, can you put it in the comments too on Rumble and just for people if they're watching later. And Amory, if you see that, are you on right now? Oh, there she is. Yep. Okay, so there you go. There is the

Bible just for you. Enjoy. Let us know what you think about it. She's ordering it today. Perfect. All right. So like I just said, a rumble in Facebook, we are live. YouTube. I need to put a big X over it. No, we'll be back on Friday as long as we behave and say only what YouTube wants us to say. And you know that probably isn't going to have. And so we'll just see what happens. But we're on Rumble. We're on Facebook and the audio podcast. It's obviously available later on. No issues over there. Natalie, you know comes once a month. And so if you missed that last episode with her, she helped us go viral on TikTok with one of the answers to her question. So we, if you're not following us, we're on TikTok and Instagram. Actually, both Instagram and TikTok loved that video. And it was about the Pinto Bean. Lots. of questions. Lots of people talking about beans and they want to know if they can eat it afterwards.

And they're lots of interesting. And then they were very upset with Hope. There is even one of the comments, Hope on TikTok has the still shot of you chugging the Red Bull in the comments. Yes. That's funny. I love to do that. And they were so upset because they thought you were a doctor. I wish. Are doctors not allowed to drink? No, you cannot. And somebody said like every single drink in your refrigerator is basically toxic. Oh, that was Tom's. Tom's, uh. Well, then we posted that one.

I know. I know, exactly. So. Tom's video. It was so funny. Yeah. So we, yeah. Her light is in my office.

I meant to pull it. I guess, please grab it. Yeah. People must see me. Yeah. She's, yeah. I need to be seen. She needs to be seen.

Please. She did say something earlier. I did. She was like, I feel like I'm not included anymore. Am I like? Is she pushing? me out. No, I have it and I have it sitting in my office and it arrived like Monday. Okay. You, Vanessa, your spotlight is coming back. Yes. Thank you very much. Okay. Anyways, we're on

Instagram and TikTok and so those are our two big videos. If you go check them out, you can laugh at all the comments with us. And then, yeah, and then of course we have Pastor Tom has both of his as well. We're doing something a little bit different on his T-L L.P. Clips, which is now Tom Leapley. So we kind of have two pages. We're working that out. We'll see what happens with that. And then, of course, we have our worship team too. So please, please, please follow these pages and follow along and comment and share and do all the things. Because that is how we get out there and more people can find out about church and the worship team and all the things that we do. Yeah, just some good stuff. So they can have good stuff on their feed, you know? Not all the yucky stuff.

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Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Oh, is that a new song out right now? It is. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. By Justin Bieber. Everything, hallelujah. Get it right, Vanessa.

Oh, is it? I haven't heard the song. I haven't either. I'm a Christian. I heard it on, uh, okay. I have, um, I got to turn my thingy off. I have heard a little bit on like, um, social media. Yeah.

They had like him seeing, hallelujah, something, everything. sing Haley or whatever. And I'm like, it's, first of all, a terrible song. Oh, what I heard, I didn't like. It's super boring to me. It's super boring. I haven't heard it yet.

Okay, that might be because I never heard the whole entire thing, which is what Norma's saying. Okay, all right, that's true. Good point. Oh, wow. Good point. Like drop. Okay, you can't hear a word

that Norma is saying to me, she's correcting me for not liking the song. And point taken, you are correct. And everything you just said, even though you guys could not hear what she said. Well, no, I know I can not like the song. I'm just saying everything you said about why I don't like the song, why I might like the song is correct.

I might like it, probably not, but whatever. Because I'm not a Justin Bieber person. Okay. Okay, you got to love Justin Bieber, apparently. I had my birthday party at the church. What is that? I had my Justin Bieber birthday party at the church. Do you remember that?

Oh, my gosh. Yes, I do. What? That was obsessed with her. That's a proud moment. Did you think you're going to marry him? Like, really, like, you really thought. I was waiting for my moment to God's day.

I really thought I was going to marry one of the in-sync. Are you kidding me? I thought I was going to marry Vindiesel. Ew. No, I'm serious. I really did. And I was like, how am I going to justify this? Because I'm 16 and he's 42.

Ew. But I did. I thought I was going to marry him. I thought I was going to marry Tom Leipley. That's the only part. Boring. I was convinced one of the in sync members was going to like see me a glimpse of me and thought that's my wife. That's her.

And then. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's why she's have a mic. Yeah. You're not allowed to hear a word normal. Exactly.

Just laugh along with us. It'll only get me in trouble. Yep. No one will. Already off YouTube. Yeah. Uh-huh. And whenever she's worshipping, people will be like,

don't worship to her singing. Don't worship to her singing. I'm just kidding. We know what's happening in her mind. That's so funny. For real. This is how we got distracted last time. I know.

I know. Okay. Back on. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's all good.

Some of my favorite podcasts to listen to is just people talking. I know. Oh, me too. Me too. Oh, I love. But then I have other people who go, I don't watch it because they don't watch our podcast. Because we talk too much? Well, only one person has told me I don't watch it because you guys talk.

You have conversations. Which, listen, I can respect that. I mean, I love it when people are. No, be honest. Oh, yeah. I mean, it wasn't mean. They weren't saying it meanly. They were just like, yeah, that's not my cup of tea.

We're not going to. Huh? We're not. We're not everybody's cup of tea. Yeah. And I'm okay with that. Totally okay with that. Because God's doing what God's doing with whomever he wants to do it.

It might not be for them. But this person's not like that. They're just like, I appreciate honesty. In fact, I prefer honesty because I'll listen to that person all day long. Right. Right. Because you know, they're honest. To tell, if they ever tell me anything, I would, I would trust them because.

Yeah. They was, they, huh? I mean. They would never, they, no, they didn't give it on warranted. No, they, I think I asked them. It's probably Norma. I think I asked them if they saw something in one of the podcasts, and I think they said, no, because I don't really watch it, because you guys conversate.

And I, I'm about learning. I'm not really, I don't want to hear a conversation. And I'm like, I can get that. I totally get that. See, I enjoy conversation because I want to feel like I'm a part of whatever. Yeah, I have all the words. But I also like the learning ones too. Me too.

Yeah. I can do both. Me too. Yeah, it depends on my mood. Yeah, but I don't listen to a lot of people's podcasts anyway. So I totally can appreciate what this person's saying because like I'm not a big pie. I'm more of a, I mean, I do enjoy the ones that do conversate. But, like, I love when Adalas and Magalas are just talking.

Yeah, me too. Those would be my preference. But listen, I've listened to ones where they're teaching us stuff and I loved it too. So, but they're not the only ones. But, like, I listen to a lot of teaching more than anything else. But only one person talking, and it's mostly Kenneth Hagan. Exactly. Or like Andrew Womack, somebody like that, huh?

That's my man. Gosh, man. That's my man. They don't have guys like that anymore. No. But you know what's good? You know what I love? It's so sad.

But listen, it's good though because they're dead and gone. So they can't mess up. Yeah. That's the advantage. Well, how about they be alive and well? No, no. I need them in heaven. I need to know that they're not going to fall.

I think we're going into a season where we're going to see more of that because this generation, they are done with the mega church. They're done with. With the hyper, like, fixated worship experience, they want, a lot of them want hymns back. Yeah. A lot of them want, like, a man wearing a suit talking to them, theology. Oh my gosh, this is so crazy because you know what Tom wanted on Easter? He told me he's like, I would kill for the old rugged cross.

Yeah, I know. We're seeing that more and more. Like, people are just done with like the superficial. They're like, just give me the meat. Just give me and potatoes. Let me fix this. Not that he didn't appreciate our worship team. But he's not what I'm saying.

That's not what I'm saying. No, no, no. I know. That's not what you were saying. But I just said, but like on Easter, that's what Tom is like, man, I would have killed for the old Rigged Cross. I love that song. Yeah. But there's something special about the old house.

Because the like the mega churches is kind of like curated. Everything is just like, I don't know. It is. surface level which is why a lot of people have a hard time with our church and our worship because it's not

like three and done right like their worship is like 20 minutes maybe in all these churches and stuff and listen if you're on a time schedule

I do get it but they don't have to be on that time schedule at all. In fact, they probably wouldn't have as many people attend that do if they didn't have the time constraints that they have because people will go there because they can go in and be done in like 55 minutes. From beginning to the end,

they're out in 55 minutes or less. That's crazy. And so for them, that's the reason why they do attend versus, but there are times like I think about youth group. youth group you have a like this amount of time like and you have stuff that has to get done so are things going to have to like ebb and flow yeah you're probably not going to be able to do six songs like we do you know yeah it's not going to happen so uh but on the whole that's we we do we've literally

had people say we don't come because the worship is too long or the service is too long for morning service so they're not used to i well when i preach the time that I preached just a couple weeks ago. Three girls got up and left, I think, at like, 1135, 1140. They were probably like, we've been here since 10. We're done. Because I didn't say anything. Do you think I say?

I didn't think I said anything. No, he didn't. But maybe it was. Norma says I was a little controversial, but it was good. Maybe slightly, but not really. Not horrible. I don't remember it being anything too crazy.

Maybe more than, not in comparison to Tom, no, but maybe more than an arch church because I actually was. I think that's what Norma is saying. And I do agree with you. Yeah. But not like over the top. But still, there were some things when I was writing it down. I was like, well, this is kind of like in your face.

kind of stuff. But I was like, I'm going to say it anyway because I felt like I was supposed to. So, but whatever. Yeah. Back in the day, I used to go to Sunday school first. Same here. And then the service.

Yes. Yes. Like, I got there at nine and didn't leave until 1.30. Yeah. One, one 30. Yeah. Uh-huh. I don't get it.

And we did not have children's church either. No, we did not. I sat there in the pew. getting pinched. Getting pinched. Oh yeah. Or your dad looking down at you and like knock it off. Because you're about to get taken out, which I did get taken out.

I believe it. I believe it. Not good. So you did not, you sat there and you sat like a quiet little soldier. Yeah. Kept your hands to yourself and your mouth shut. Mm-hmm. There's no laughing and joking around or looking at your siblings.

No playing on your phone. There was no phone. There was no phone. There was no phone. There's no phone. There's no phone. I did not get things to, there was, I'm way older than you, but you grew up Pentecostal holiness.

So like yours is probably close to mine. But like you didn't have any distractions. You literally sat in the pew, which was wooden with no cushion. And you with the back the same. you did not have anything to entertain yourself. No. There was nothing like that. I think one Sunday I read songs of Solomon during this.

It might have helped if I knew how to read. Oh, my God. And even if I did know how to read, I wasn't reading that. I was like, what is this? What am I reading? What am I reading? It's a bit much. It's pretty blush.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. It was a total different world. In my precious moments Bible. Yes, I had one. Do you remember when that was really popular? We did not have anything like that. I had a regular King James.

Oh, really? Yes. No. Yeah, I had to read King James. I grew up on King James. That's a whole new language. Here's the thing. I don't even know if they had NIVs then.

True. Yeah, when 84, wasn't it? Yeah. They didn't have, like, they didn't even have new King James. So I don't think I had any options. I grew up on that. First publication was 1978.

I was born in 67. Yeah. Well, I'm 59 next year, girls. I mean next month. No, you're not.

Well, I am. I have to plan something for 60. No. Oh, yeah, 60. I was just telling Tracy about this. Tracy Lobes yesterday.

I'm like, I'm excited about 60. Yeah. Yeah, we need to celebrate. Yes. Not here. Not with balloons. Not with a lot.

Let's try it one more time. No, we're so much. more laid back now let's not say they did say we did oh my god i can't handle like it's got to be like it's got to be on point and let's just go somewhere before that good okay it's 39 minutes in we have not done anything i'm putting you on i'm putting you on i'm putting you i'm going to start planning your birthday oh my gosh all right so what i was telling the girls is um and i can't remember the scripture sure where it's at. It's in the New Testament.

Daggum it. But maybe Tracy still find it. But so what we started talking about last week was blessings. How to walk in the blessings of God. And a lot of times like obedience is a foundational

skill set that you have to do. Being disciplined is a foundational skill set. The Bible tells us to like build our houses on not sand, not on twig, or don't build it with sticks and things like that. Build our foundation on a firm foundation. Not on, like, it's sand, and what's the other one that it says?

Where to build our house, it's not straw. That's the three little pigs, Linda. On the rock? Build your house on the rock, but it's a firm foundation. Yeah. And not on sand and something else. Sinking ground. Where moths and something come in and that, but then it says,

but bailed your house on a firm foundation, or build your house on a rock. But it's different things for different scripts. Like King James says one thing and then Invisis another. Ready? Yes. Therefore, anyone who hears the words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

The rain came down, the streams rose, and the wind blew and beat against the house. yet it did not fall because it had its foundation on the rock. On the rock. But it also talks about building it on the sand. Do you see where that is? I'm doing that. There's another one.

Because I think that's what gospel was that that you read that out of. Matthew. Matthew. So somebody else says it differently, slightly in like probably not Mark, probably Luke. Because it was more, Luke is bigger and more detailed.

I might be wrong. No, you're right. something. It just keeps pulling up. Because they give, all of them give different ones, but Mark is one of the shortest ones, and he gives a lesser account of things. So he might not have had that passage in there. But while you're looking, I would say this. But the thing is, is a lot of times people think that their firm foundation, what they're building their firm foundation on is way different than what actually you're building your foundation on. We often think we're building our

foundation on superficial things of our walk with God. And a lot of times we do think obedience, but I don't think we think of things like blessings, things like our identity in Christ, things like being disciplined in our walk with God. Not like obedience is super important, but it's one of many things that create you to be a strong believer in your walk with God. And a lot of times I was telling Vanessa and Tracy, I was saying, and everybody in the room, but I was saying a lot of times people don't receive blessings because for many reasons. Do you have the scripture? I think it might just be New King James Version.

What is that? So it says in verse 26, but everyone who hears these sayings of mine and does not do them will be like foolish man who builds his house on the sand and then the rain descended the floods came and the winds blew and beat on the house and it fell and that was great so the first one is rock 24 25 and then 26 through 27 it talks about the next verse our version yeah thank you're welcome that's the one I went that's the the version then I wanted because I'm that and a lot of times people when you don't build your foundation strong enough you it's like the parable of the sewer like it's all the same thing. The Lord was, when he was telling us all these things, he was trying to set us up for success.

And a lot of times we don't build our foundation strong enough to withstand anything. Like Parable of the Sower talks about the thorny ground, where the seed was on thorny ground and it gets choked out where the seed landed and there was no, what is it, that it never took root. And so it was just plucked away like the birds came and took it away and so there's like four different in the parable of the sewer there's four different seeds falling on four different grounds and only one of them is good isn't it four or is it five i could swear it's four that's four soar um others seeds fell among the thorns which grew up and choke the plan out see still other seeds fell in the good soil and produce a crop or yeah rocky and the only one is good scattered yeah yeah the scattered one is

where it was just scattered and never took root. The thorny ground choked out. Yeah, the rocky place. The rocky place. Yep. That's the same exact thing. Quickly. The soil was too shallow.

The sun came up and the plants were scorched because they withered. They had no root. Other seeds fell among the thorns, which grew up and choke a plant out. Still, other seeds fell on good soil where they produced a crop. You can't be a well-rounded believer and not walk in all the things that God has for you. It's just not possible. And a lot of times people, that's why their foundations aren't firm, but that's also a reason why they don't believe in prosperity. They don't believe in healing.

They don't believe that, well, it's, it's like they don't believe that. They don't believe the full gospel. They don't believe the full gospel. But even when it comes to identity, they don't believe that you can leave your past behind. It's like what we were talking about. before like you you grow up in a certain area and you think this is what we were talking about before the podcast you grow up in a certain area and you feel like that I'm always going to be like this and if I if I leave this then who am I like where is my identity and the people that I leave

behind what will they think of me all that's a firm foundation that's your identity like all of it is a roundness and and knowing who you are in Christ and you have a you don't have a firm foundation, you won't walk in the full gospel of what you're, like what you say, you won't walk in the full gospel. And then when the tough times do come, right. Right. Right. Exactly. That's what I see is that they'll look for somebody else to do the thing that they are fully capable of doing. They just don't have the confidence in it yet because they haven't convinced themselves that they have all things because of the full gospel because God said we had all things. Yeah. Which means all. Right. And then once

the when yeah when the rocky times come they're like looking outward to find it somewhere else sometimes in the world yes right what i see is that there you know the bible tells us that um all authority has been given unto us and we're seated with christ in heavenly places and so a lot of times we're asking god to do the thing that he's asking us to do right like yelling he's like no you you have to do this you have to take the first god where are you yeah but somebody has told you right along the way that that's not what that scripture means. Right. True.

Or you don't even know it. You don't even know the scriptures. You're waiting on God to move and God is like, listen, I've given you all things. I did everything. You can do it. Yeah. Yeah, but along the way, when you get bad teaching. I know.

Oh, yeah. Or you interpret it the way you believe because of life experiences. Right. Then you cause yourself to have a stinted or stunted, excuse me, growth. And that. foundation is not secure. It's not. And you have to like literally pull it up. I'm dealing with somebody right now, helping somebody right now that was in an arch church for a really long time. And she's young, but like she was in it so long during this time. She's like been learning about

God and everything I hear her say. I'm like, that's not a Bible verse. That's not a Bible verse. But it's a good saying, you know? Like like and it's half truths. Like there's a little bit of Bible, but also like the thing that makes sense. And just because it makes sense doesn't mean that it's the Bible. So yeah, and it's hard. Like you got to rip that stuff out because there is partial truth in it. It's scary. Rip it out.

Yeah, it is. And it's a foundation for them. And it's such a weak foundation. It's so weak. And you can tell because they're, they sound like they're from a place of defeat. Like they're not operating from a place of victory saying like, okay, this doesn't look good right now, but I know I'm going to win.

They're never, ever operating that place. they're operating in a place that they're like, I have no idea how this is going to work and everything's so hard. And every time I turn, and I'm like, it's not like that. I'm so tired for you. Like,

that's so exhausting. It doesn't have to be that way. No. For me, it's, it's, it's, it's,

people like that. I sit there and wonder, okay, they're under your guidance and your tutelage. But what happens? when they aren't, and if they don't spend enough time under that, are they strong enough to withstand? Because life is coming.

And if you can't handle what life's going to throw your way, and you don't have the knowledge and the strength to know that God says every time you face a trial, you will win every single time. If you don't know that, and somebody has shown you a bill of goods that, you know, you know, you never know what God will do. Right. Then you're like, do I really want this God? Right.

Like, or how could he allow this to happen to me when it's never been him the whole entire time? People will walk away from God every single time. Yes, they do. I watched it. All the people that I went to church with in the church prior to this one, which was an arch church, so many of them are living completely opposite lifestyles of a Christian or getting divorced and still in church.

I've not seen one person at the, and I'm not like saying this privately about me and Jare, but like we are leveling up because we love the Lord and we're doing, we're living a pure life and we're honoring God and all that we do. And it's so like crazy to see like us like doing the things for God and then watching other people who are fully capable and have very, very big gifts falling into this like lukewarm or completely sinful lifestyle. It's so hard to watch it because they're like literally right here and they don't want anything to do with it.

which brings up your point is, yeah, the one girl I'm mentoring right now, she did leave the arch church. She's come here. She's gotten some good word in her, and now she lives in a different state, and she's under another good preaching. And so I think she'll be good. But if she doesn't stay connected, I have another person in my mind who didn't stay connected, and she was doing excellent, and now things are very, very quickly sliding, very fast, down. And they probably just knew God told them to go. Yeah. And that God was calling them, to this better place, this better job, this more money. And it never works out.

Yeah. And it never does. But it comes down to having a firm foundation. Yes. And I just, it concerns me greatly. But one of the reasons it concerns me greatly is part of it is the blessings. Because if you never believe that you're in your foundational knowledge that blessings are coming your way, you're being going to be blessed.

you're going to bless others, then if you don't bless others, then how, you know, it's the reaping and sewing. If everything is mine, there's all these different facets to the word blessing. And a lot of times people love to bless others because there's a pride factor in blessing others. It's self, it's a self thing. it's the motive behind it is not pure and then there's reasons people want to only be the one that blesses

and this is this I know well because this is how I was I always wanted to bless other people because and not be blessed because of pride on my part of not being blessed because I was like I don't need I don't need that like people don't need to give me anything like I'm fine by myself like I can take care of myself. And it was pride on my part because I was like, why would they think that I need

that? Or if they wanted to financially bless me, I'd be like, no, no, no, you keep it. Because I thought, I don't want people to think I need money. I'm good. That's all pride. Yeah. Yeah. When really the Lord, it's like when your parents used to just out of the blue, they knew you were going out for the night and they slip you some cash to say go have fun. Like go have more fun than what you were planning to have. And that was what the Lord was trying to do for me the whole entire time. It's like, I know you don't need it, but I want to give it to you. And that's a different mindset.

But mine was so prideful. And that's not having a good foundation. But most people, blessings are hard for them to receive and hard for them to give. but we're going to talk more about the receiving part of why we don't receive. And one of the things, too, we were talking about is leaving people behind. Like, when you start being blessed, because you have blessed, when you start being blessed and you're seeing a shift in your economic, where economically you live and everyone around you stays in the same place,

but you're leveling up. A lot of times people have problems with that. So they don't want to level up because it makes them uncomfortable to leave behind the ones that aren't leveling up. And you really need to go, is that their problem or my problem? That's usually their problem.

What are they not doing to level up? And then the other thing is, why don't you want to level up? Why are you so afraid to leave those people behind? It's a lot of times it's because of what will they say about me? What will they think about me? So Vanessa brought up a good thing. She was like, it's, it's like, if you talk about how God's blessed you, others will have a problem with it, which I'll let you address. I've seen where someone is abundantly blessed and they can

like minimize it because they've observed everyone in the room and they didn't want to portray themselves as if they were, you know, better than... Everybody in the room. Right. So they kind of just make it smaller than it actually is. And instead of being excited for what, you know, what that blessing is and and giving an opportunity for other people to be excited with them. Because if you surround yourself with the right people, people around you should be excited

with you. They should be cheering you on. Literally. So that when it's happening to you, guess what they're doing? They're cheering you on. Yeah, because when you win, I win, you know? Well, you know what's so funny to me is like there's the River Baltimore. She's about to have her conference.

It's Karen Carpenter, and she's such a great person. Do you know who I'm talking about? It's they're pastors that started a church in Baltimore when COVID started. They moved from Tampa. I don't know, know them. She is, they're a mixed couple. he's black he's white she's black super cute they have three

three daughters I believe um 2020 they left the river Tampa in the middle of COVID and started a church in Baltimore no masks no nothing he's tattooed up his neck oh like they're the nicest

they are the nicest they are such nice couple and man she can preach man she's so good like she's really really good and just they're they love God man they are they're killing it who moves to Baltimore Maryland in the middle of COVID no and doesn't and that's also during like black lives matter oh yeah yeah they were so winning no masks no nothing that's wild going to stores no like

even when they started their church there was they were just like us there was they were just like us there There was no hand washing stations. There was nothing. That's serious biz right in there. That's brave. Yeah. She just posted on Instagram. Now they've had their church since 2020, but man, they have exploded.

They moved into this Best Buy that they rent, renovated the whole entire thing. And they just broke a thousand. Yes. That's it. Yeah, I think that was their Wednesday night service? Or was that the Sunday night service? This was March 15th. So I'm just looking.

I'm trying to find a picture of her. Okay, so this might not be Wednesday night. This is their Sunday morning service. You can put that on. Thank you for finding that. They, on Easter morning, they broke over a thousand people. And she just, for her ladies' conference she has coming up, she just had a thousand register. Wow.

They are being blessed mightily. It's awesome to see. That's radical faith. radical. I saw it while I was getting ready and I'm like I literally cannot wait to text or DM her and be like what in the world? That's so cool. This is only her second one I think.

Wow. And she's got, I'm lucky. No, God's going to change it for me. But like I'm getting 500, 600 registered. Like I've been doing this now. I'm going into what? My fourth year? Yeah.

I haven't broken a thousand. And I could sit there and be jealous and be like, we'll see. Or I can be like, that's flipping awesome because that's souls. Yes. And they did the hard thing like you guys did. And that feels like family.

They just bought their first house. Get this. I was thinking about this this morning. I was just like, God, you are so good. They just bought their first house. And I don't think they even owned when they lived down here. They met each other. I think at the river in Tampa.

They just bought their first house. It's the biggest house in the neighborhood with a pool in the backyard. Okay, if you know anything about being a northern person, nobody has a pool. Nobody does. Nobody. There's three pools in the whole community. They have the biggest house. She like literally went from being in a town home where it was 1,200 square feet, I think she told me,

to having a huge, it's like 2,700 square feet or something like that. It might be bigger than that. and with a pool in the backyard with a beautiful grounds and lawn. And I'm like, God is so good. That is so cool. I'm following them on everything. They are awesome people. They are just great, awesome people.

And so real. But we should be, we should be excited instead of being jealous. We should sit there and say, you know what? Yeah. You're doing something. Right. Like, we all should be cheering each other on, but all about the same goal, which is winning the loss, the slypling believers.

There's enough unsaved people out there. Nobody needs to be jealous. And if you find yourself in a group that that's the type of people that you're surrounded with, then it's time to move on and find a new group. It's not good. No. It's not good. But wow, what exciting times.

It's like Jonathan. Jonathan and Adalas, like, how many churches, breaking record numbers? You know, not everywhere they go, but. Yeah. They're doing it. They're doing their thing. They're doing it. They're doing more than most.

And if you, like, read some comments, you'll see the occasional, like, hater in there. And it's like, come on. Everybody's got them, though. Because everybody's, there's, everybody's got them because those are the people who are doing nothing. Right. I'm not telling people you need to speak untruths about things. Like I can look at something and say, I don't like that,

but still appreciate respect and like be able to cheer something on. I mean, there are things that I don't always like. Like I'll say this. Like when Adalas and Magalas came and their t-shirt said, you know, blank to the no. And I don't like cussing.

And I don't like that being on a t-shirt. Now, I'll call that out and I'll be honest about it. But that's a small fraction of the amazing things that they are doing at Revival today. I mean, listen, you can speak honestly about somebody without tearing them down and without, you don't have to like, everybody feels like if you, how do I say it? If you like somebody, you have to like everything. Not going to happen. It's never going to happen. Go with the 80-20 plan.

We're 20% you know, we're probably not going to agree on. And I don't really like that you did that. Right. But 80% you're freaking killing it. True. Be honest, though. A lot of people are so disingenuous because they feel like if they're in, they have to be all in.

No, you'll find nobody who is true to themselves that is ever like that. If somebody is true to themselves, they can look at something. in a neutral mindset, say, well, that's not right. But over here, like, nobody else is doing this. That's what you have to be able to do without disparaging somebody and still being able to cheer them on. Does that make sense, ladies? Because I really feel like people feel like you can't say anything negative because if you say anything negative, then that's wrong. It's not wrong.

It's how you say it and you still have to be honest. Yeah, absolutely. I literally have to take the meat and spit out the bones with everything. Me too. Everybody should be like that. I take the good. And then I don't matter. I don't even pay any mind to, you know, the bones.

Right. Exactly. Know that they're bones and then go about your business. Exactly. It's a very peaceful life, let me tell you. I rather that life. It's a very happy life. Yes.

And I think when you're not a critical person anyways, like it's very hard to even like remember that the bones are there. You know what I mean? Like you're so busy, like, cheering on somebody or like appreciating something about somebody that like when something happens, you're like, oh, they must have an off day. Like you just, you don't even like, or even if you see a pattern, you're like, nah, I don't like that. But it's probably because, you know, they, something happened.

You just, you justify in your mind and you move on. You don't. Well, they might not be there yet. True. And that too. Easily. Because sometimes, like, for me, like, I'm going to miss it. Right.

Me too. But at some point, God will revelatory. tell me where I'm missing it. Yes. And that's okay. Right. And are you praying for that person? Like if it is something you're seeing often, like pray for them.

Because if you feel like they're missing it and it's so obvious, pray for them. Yeah. You don't have to lie about it. You don't have to be like pretend that it doesn't exist. Right. But you don't have to like not be all in either. Right. There is a difference.

Being honest and yet still supporting. You can do both. A lot of times people don't feel like they can't. They just don't. That's just not true, though. Yeah, not at all. Not true at all. It's like people who, one thing happens in a church and they're like, I'm out of here.

True. Okay. Like, that happens all the time. But I guess this is my point is, is you're an 80-20 plan. You're not going to agree with everything. And people are going to miss it and they're going to make mistakes. That's life. You don't leave your family because they do it.

Right. Yeah, exactly. or your job. And you better live a perfect life if that's the standard, man. But if they're knocking it out of the park 80% of the time, you should be a cheerleader. Yeah, I agree. You really should be because most people aren't hitting it out of the park. And you aren't either.

Yeah, exactly. Arch churches aren't getting it 30% of the time. So when you find somebody who's willing to say the things that need to be said and do the things that need to be done, and they miss it here and there, like they're doing way better than most. So you need to, like, support them. But that's not what we're talking about. But I feel in my spirit.

That's super important for people to hear. No, I do. I think that's very important. Because people are so jealous. And I'm a competitive person. Me too. I'm a competitive person. I was just talking to somebody about this on Monday.

I'm a competitive person where I look at somebody that I'm like, I'm going to go where they're at. And I look at it because I say, I'm no different than them. And God wants to bless me, no different than he wants to bless them. I'm chasing after holiness and being obedient just like they are. And he's called me to use me in the same way they're being used. And I like lots about them. I'll give you an example because I use this as like Pastor Adonica.

like Pastor Adonica is full of grace, full of mercy. She is hard-nosed. I mean, she don't play. She is a strong woman that does not back down. But she speaks the word of God with authority. She walks in the Holy Spirit. Like I have never heard somebody speak in their prayer language. She speaks in her prayer language different than when she's giving.

a, like when her and Pastor Rodney are doing, like he interprets, she speaks. Have you ever seen that? Yeah. It's gorgeous. It's beautiful. And it's not on purpose. Right. It's just who she is.

Right. She's not putting on a show. She is probably the most, well, Dahlas and Magalas are very real. Like, but Pastor Adonika is probably, because she's older than them, but further along in ministry and more well-known. I mean, a lot of people don't even know who Adalas and Magalas are. Like, they just don't. But everybody knows who Pastor Rodney is.

And everybody knows who she is because she's married to him. And if you sat down and you talk to her, she is not pretentious. She is probably the most real. And she will tell you the most intimate things about herself. Yeah. And I sit there and I go, that's who I want to be. That right there.

And she's only a few years older than me. Doing way longer than me. But I sit there and go, I, it's a huge compliment for somebody to want to, that sees things in you that they don't see in themselves and say, I'm no different than you. I can do what you do. And God, please, let me do it better. Yeah. Like I want to go the distance and further beyond.

Now, will I get there? I don't know. But if I try, I might. Yeah. If I say, I want to go further, he might say, you know what, do it. Like, she's winning lots of souls for the kingdom and she's ministering to lots of women and changing lives. Why wouldn't I want to do that and more? Because it's more crowns.

It's a healthy competition. I don't, I'm not jealous of her. I'm not envious of her at all. But do I want to be better than her? Yeah. I sure the heck do. Because if I'm better than her, then I'm doing more for the kingdom. And she probably wants that for you.

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? If she would be like, if you'd be like, please do it better than me. Like, let's go. Yeah. Because it's the same goal. That's what people do. Exactly.

Yes. That's what confident people do. Right. Yeah. They look at that and go, oh my gosh, you think that about me? Right. Go for it. Yes.

And more, you know? Yeah. Everybody that's ever done children's ministry or anything that I've ever done in my past, they've always done it to my caliber and better. As they should. And I'm like, hot dog. Hot daggum dog. Exactly.

Yes. So I don't know. Like there's something beautiful about knowing who you are in Christ. Yeah. And knowing your place, because we were there for the women's conference and something that stayed with me after that was when she said, she could have her own ministry and she can travel and she can do all these things but she is called to

be her husband's help me and that is where she is and i like and she could she could absolutely do all those things and do it well she gets lots of invitations and she can fill a room she is she knows her role and where god wants her and she's like i am my husband's help me yep and i'm like i can respect that that was like when she came and did mine That doesn't not happen. She said that too at the conference. She says she gets tons of invitations and she very rarely takes any. Like when she said yes to me, that was huge.

Yeah. I almost fell over. Because I knew. Like, it doesn't happen. It doesn't. She doesn't even respond. Yeah. Trust me, I know.

And I consider her to be a friend. Right. Like when we go there, We always sit together. She always finds me. She always tries to get to spend time with me by myself with her. Like if there's a table and there's only her and another seat, she always goes, she's like, I have hope to sit with me.

Like she's, I do consider her a friend and she is a beautiful person on the inside and out. But she doesn't return my text when I'm like, hey, want to like come and do my conference? I did not get a reply back. If I want to reply, I go to Pastor Rodney. Yeah, there you go. Now, she replies to everything else, but that I'm not getting a reply to. Because she doesn't want to tell me no.

I know. But I did get a yes. You did get a yes. And that was good. That was so good. When she came. Yes. Yeah, it was.

She was like Kathy Duplantus. Yeah. Like that, Kathy Duplantis, when she was at Adalysis, that woman killed it. Norma loves Kathy Duplantis. She loves her. And I wasn't really that great of a fan. To be honest with you, I've listened to her and I'm like, she's okay.

And then I heard she was going to be talking and I was like, great. Great. I got so much. That's when, listen, you just got to be honest. You've got to be able to say, man, I'm an idiot. Boy, was I an idiot. Like, she, boy, was I an idiot.

spoke to me so much when she went and did she really speak to you guys or was that just me like adalus's thing that was you it was just me you didn't think it was that great no i thought it was great but i i didn't get like like the same way you guys got but but it made me so happy because you and i did talk and you're like i don't know like i don't know how i feel about her preaching and then so when you were i was getting blessed because you were getting blessed i was like get her get her well you know what Like, I really wasn't a fan. I know. Like, not a fan at all.

And not because, well, it's just for reasons. Yeah. Not that she's a hateful woman or anything. Like, that's not why I mean that, but just, I just wasn't a big, huge fan. And, but man, I'm telling you right now, like, when she called all the pastor's wives to pray, did I tell you this? Oh, my gosh. When she, when she called all the pastors. wives up to pray over them, which I thought was very sweet and kind to do.

Like, when she prayed for me, I was like, she carries a mighty anointing, mighty annoying. I was like, I still like, great message. You killed a woman. Like, you're phenomenal. Yeah. And, but I didn't expect anything from her praying. I don't know why. I still was like, not negative Nelly, but I was just like.

Indifferent. Not really indifferent either. I just was like, whatever. But man, like the Lord was proving me every time I turned around. You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. I love it. I love it. Me too.

And Norma says she was starstruck. I, yeah, she's powerful. But my girl, my go-to is like, and it has been for a long time. When I first started hearing Pastor Donica, I didn't think she was. was that great of a speaker. Did you guys? Well, I heard her, like in person or online? Like, in person? Like, I was just like, when she first, when I first started going to the river and she would preach, I'd be like, you're not a huge woman preacher person, though, right? Like, you don't typically ever listen to women preachers. I don't normally. Yeah. But I didn't think she was that,

like, I found her to be a little boring. Okay. I didn't find her to be that dynamic. But, But after like her second year, like going into her third year, I think it was like 2022. Yeah, it was probably 22. I went, me and Tom went and she preached just off just by chance she preached. And Tom and I were like, what the what? Where did that come from? Oh my gosh. And then ever since then.

Yeah. I don't know because she didn't preach a lot for the longest time. And I think she's like everybody. She just had to get her footing. She had to figure out what's her. She probably had to not fast. Me. But you know what I'm saying?

Pass out. You got to get. Exactly. You got to get to where you feel comfortable. Yeah. And like what's your like, it's very tough when you start preaching to still be yourself. And how do you be yourself and yet still do what God's told you to do? Because it's very hard.

It's very hard. You know the Lord has given you a message. And how do you honor that message? And the way he wants it done with your personality. Because I don't take, huh? But I think he's factored in your personality when he gives you the message. I think so. And I think you overthink it.

Like I think that's absolutely correct, Vanessa. But I, even like my first many, my, several of my first messages, I was not myself because I felt like I felt like I had to be a, certain way for God. And even Tom told me he was the same exactly way. It took him like a year, maybe less, but it took him a while to really be like, because it's so important. I think that's the same for Jair now that you say that you say that you say that. I think Jare struggled with that in the beginning too because now how he preaches is very, very different than in the beginning. So that makes so much sense. It's like you don't realize like when you're preaching,

you guys do because you've spoken, but like for me, I take it very seriously. Yeah. Like, Yeah, me too. Yeah. Yeah. Teaching a Bible study is way different than preaching a difference. So, like, standing there and everyone, you have everyone's attention and all the eyeballs are on you. And it's like, and you're like speaking at church.

Like, I don't know. It is. But it is very different. And you know that you're going to be held more accountable and that God has said, I'm picking you to share this message. Yes. What if you don't share it the way you feel his expectation is because I'm very goal oriented. And I'm like, if you ask me to do something, I feel like I have to do it to the fullest. And then if I'm like, well, is this to his fullest?

Is it like, am I meeting the expectation? Like, and how does that all fit in? So eventually you just learn I'll be, how do, I'm going to preach. Like, if you get out of the way, and you don't fast, which really helps. Because then you're not, you can actually have clarity. Like a lot of the, huh? Brain power.

Yeah, because that is huge. A lot of times people do fast when they, but they can do it. I can't fast. But I've had other people say they can't do it either. I have now learned. I don't think, unless God told me very clearly, I don't think I would do it. Yeah, I shouldn't have never done it. Unless I learned.

Yeah. Less un learned. But like Kenneth. Pagan did it, Andrew Womack did it. They would fast so that they would be able to hear the voice of the Lord very clearly, that when they laid hands on people, that there would be no carnal, their carnality. And so the reason I did it was for the same reasons, because I just was like, Lord, like, if you tell me to say something, I want to make sure that I can absolutely hear it.

If you tell me something for somebody prophetically, I want to make sure it's not me. I want to make sure it's you. Yeah. Like a lot of times people just think, everything, they go up and they're like, send me and coach, I'll take over. I don't feel like that. I'm more like, I got to have you because if I don't have you, then I'm in big trouble. For real. I don't go by charm and charisma. I ain't got none of that. All I got is me and God. And that's kind of sketch with just me. That's how I was when I was on the worship team.

Like I, Lord, I don't have the skill like everyone else does. It's just me and, you. Me and you. But here's the thing. And this is what I was shared with the girls at worship team practice. I went to their worship team practice last week, I think it was. And that's one of the things I was sharing with them is because I used you as a prime example of that. And the thing is, you weren't the most skilled up there. There really wasn't very many people up there when you were up there.

So, like, you didn't have much competition. But I'm just saying, you weren't the most skilled up there. And half of it, you didn't even have vocal lessons for. So you went in raw. Raw as can be. Right. And that's bold, guys. Because a lot of times people have had vocal training before they ever hit a worship team,

unless they're just with a Joe Schmoe, Podunk worship, or church, which is fine. If you have like a, everybody's up there and they're just up there to worship him, and that's great and there's absolutely no expectation, that's fine too. Like, that's not, I'm not saying anything that's a horrible thing. but that's not the direction we were going. And that's not the direction Tom wanted to go because Tom had, from the moment we conceptually started this church, Tom had a vision for our worship team.

And so Vanessa went up there with no training whatsoever, scared out of her mind, but knew God wanted her to do it. Well, like I said to the girls, I'm like, here's the thing. Vanessa wasn't the most skilled up there. but she was the most anointed up there and so because of that like with Norma

that spurred Norma on I remember Norma saying something to the effects and I am going to paraphrase because I don't remember the exact words but she noticed that this is again a hope and a Pastor Adalas

or a Pastor Adonica's situation you sit there and you go that person has something that I don't have but I know that they're no different than me and Norma noticed a difference and her anointing versus your anointing. Norma had one.

She just wanted to have as much as you did, which that's a compliment. And so that spurred her on. But you don't have to be the most, you don't have to have the best voiced. Right. But you better be heavily anointed. Because if you do, nobody knows and nobody cares.

Right. Right. And so for me, when I preach, it's kind of the same way. I'm so raw and so new in this. and I have no, so I'm like, make me the most anointed. Yeah. Without having to fast.

Right. Without having to fast. Because it does me in. Like on the day. But that's the thing. It's true. So you can, you can like not be the most skilled, but man, when you carry an anointing, it just really doesn't matter.

So true. You'll knock it out of the park. An anointing comes from spending time with a Lord. It's a bite is. Yeah. Staying rooted and connected to the vine. And you didn't go of like an agenda. Like you didn't go up with an agenda.

Like you didn't go up on the worship on a Sunday morning like all right. I have like if I can't. It was just you just went up. Literally. You know what was so special at that time. Faith max that whole thing. Yeah. You know what's so awesome about that time though when you were up there Vanessa?

If you looked at everybody for the most part, pretty much everybody. I can only think of one and they're not even with the church anymore. but there was one person up there that was more for them because they felt like they had something to prove from their past experience with family and stuff like that. So this person's not even here anymore. But, I mean, at this church or not. But if you think about it, when you were up there, it was you and Naz and Norma. And really, nobody, nobody up there had their own agenda. None.

Like you guys was so sweet. It was a sweet, sweet season. Yeah. And it was obvious. Like as somebody knows nothing about music, but you know, like, when you're just being entertained, because everybody has a great singing voice and you know when you're, like, going to war during work. Like, it's so obvious. So, yeah.

Yeah, because normal was scared out of her mind as well. Because normal was so young. And we're like, literally. Get up there, girl. Get up. Get up there and start doing. Get over your fears. as a team and we were teammates

and we were cheering each other on and we were like crying with each other NAS was the only one that had any skill at all up there and she was the sweetest thing but it was now you know very sweet and special time sweet sweet special time

which makes me like what we have now like it's so special to me to be able to witness it Yeah. Like, it's so cool. Like, I love it so much. There are some amazing people on the worship team. I agree.

Some really great from the people who play to the girls that sing and Aaron. Cross the board. Yeah. It's a rare. It is way different than what most worship teams consist of. That's true. There's not a lot of ego, if any ego up there. And, like, the genuineness of.

of all of, and those people do cherish each other on. Like, everybody just really wants everybody to be very successful. Yeah. And that's a beautiful thing too. So we didn't get to blessing. Once again. Definitely Friday. But listen, I got this great question. Yeah. Somebody gave this question. Yeah, we got the new question. Okay. So I'm going to tell you this question because we're going to answer it on Friday because this question is good. It is very good. I told the girls I'm like what the what I'm like this question is so good so this is the question we'll be answering along with hopefully getting into blessing but I'm going to answer the question before we go to blessing because people need to lock in blessing I know that you're blessed I am going to do

this whether we get to it or not but we're getting to it but this is this is what we're going to get hit first okay so this was a question specifically for the whole potline and it's here it's a scenario the scenario is I hear from the Lord and then you, so this is two, we're going to just say this is two friends, okay? Because this is in my head, this is how I pictured. Is this how you pictured two girls? At first I did. And then I was like, well, my answer might change if it's not this.

So I like, let's go with friends. Like your kid or a spouse or a mom. Gotcha. You know, okay. Perfect. Okay. Okay. Because yeah, that does change the dynamic.

Completely different. You're kind of stuck with your husband. Kind of. Okay. Let's just go to friends. Let's go with friends. Because I know people have experiences with friends. So yeah.

So this will be a good. 100% which, Vanessa, I'm going to make you share your example because you have a good example of this. I'm not sharing my example. I have egg on my face with mine. Mine's a little embarrassing. We're going to stick with Vanessa's. Maybe you'll change your mind by Friday.

It says, I hear from the Lord. You hear from the Lord. I hear something from the Lord about said something. And then you hear something different from the Lord about said something. And they contradict each other. How many of us have been in this? Tell you, did you raise your hand? Yeah.

Oh, really? You have? Should we all bring our stories? Interesting. I'm not bringing mine. Let's all bring our stories. Hope, I'll tell yours, you tell mine. We won't tell who's as whose.

But you have to pretend you're me. I will. Because I'm lying. In the name of Jesus. And they contradict each other. I had a piece about what I heard and you had a piece about what you heard. And I chose to let it go because it's not worth my piece. However, it changes our dynamic and it changes the dynamic.

It should say, However, it changes the dynamic in our relationship. How do you handle this when this person is very much still in your life? This person has great handwriting, by the way, especially when it is not the first time it's happened. Their fruit in this situation doesn't show growth, but I also know that could take time. Great question. Good question. Great handwriting.

Beautiful handwriting. Beautiful handwriting, by the way. Got great cursive. You are older. Not as old as me, but you're not a very young person, like a Gen Zier. Because, well, you might be, but you're a rare Gen Zier because Gen Zers learned on their computers. And they didn't have to do penmanship by handwriting very often. You did?

Linda did. You're homeschooled. Okay, that's different. Because I see a lot of, well, my kids are homeschooled. Norma's is way better. They all print. There's no cursive. That's what I mean.

Right. Like my kids only do print or computer because that's all I did. There's no cursive. And when I did teach them it, it was so when they were so little that they didn't keep it up. Whatever. It's 409. It's time to go. I'm going to see you on Friday.

We're going to hit that question. We're going to hit it hard. Yes, we are. And then we're going to hit the blessings. Okay. Hopefully we hit blessings. We'll see. It might be Wednesday next week.

Well, we're going to hit it. We'll be back on YouTube. So, just in time. Let's behave. Thanks, Natalie. Let's behave. Well, you know what it paid off because we grew on Instagram and we grew on TikTok. So screw you, YouTube.

Yeah, exactly YouTube. It was worth it. Yeah. All right. See you on Friday. Bye.