The Hope Hotline - Was Judas Predestined To Go To Hell? | S02-42 | 06-26-2024

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

S02-42 | 06-26-2024

Welcome to the Hope Hotline and I hope you are having a great Wednesday. We are halfway through the week. Thank you, Jesus. Not that I'm anxious to see the week go, but I must be. You must be. I think I am excited to see the week go. I'm anxious for Friday. Me too.

I'm excited for Friday. Me too. What is that? Thanks, Talia. Oh, yeah. She knows. We just talked's what it is. Yeah. I'm excited for Friday. Me too. So what is that? Thanks, Talia. Oh, yeah. She knows. We just talked about it. Oh, yeah.

It's so important. She's more excited for something else. Yikes. Yeah, her birthday on Sunday. Exactly. Yep. Turning 18. She's single-minded.

So we're celebrating Sarah's birthday, but you can't see the balloon. And the other balloon, I deflated in my car by accident because of the heat. She's got one balloon left. I don't know if this is your cue. So happy birthday to Sarah. We're going to light her little candle. Oh, look at the peanut gallery birthday pic. Do you see that?

Look how cute. Sarah's birthday. Sarah's crying. Hold on, I've got to do this too. Okay, happy birthday, Sarah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Are we singing? I'm ready. Yeah. I don't know if we should really sing this. Okay. Okay. Are we singing? I don't know if we should really sing.

Tempest. Everyone's going to sing with you. Everybody's going to sing, but Tempest, you start it out, girl. Happy birthday to you. Cha-cha-cha. Happy birthday to you. Cha-cha-cha. Happy birthday to you. Cha-cha-cha. There's the tears in her eyes.

Dear Sarah. Happy birthday to you. Thank you. Thank you. I was working on that. That was so good. I'm impressed.

I'm going to start showing off what you guys I was working on that. That was so good. I'm impressed. Thank you. I'm going to start showing off what you guys think I can't do. Yeah. Do it. It's not that we don't think. The key word is think. It's what we know. There's two different things.

Thinking and knowing are two different things. For the record, this is a carrot cake cupcake, which means there's vegetables in it and I can eat it. True. That's right. There's no calories in that. No. We will all be partaking of a cupcake after the podcast. You go ahead.

You eat that sucker, girl. Unless somebody else wants to go grab one for themselves, they can too. That's how you eat a cupcake, by the way. Oh, look at her. Show them how you eat it. Show them it. That's how I do it. She took the bottom off of the top and she made herself a sandwich.

Perfect. As Tom would say, a sandwich. A sandwich. Okay. Yeah. I've seen that done before. I've never seen somebody do it. I've seen it, I think, on TikTok.

The only way. Not TikTok, on Instagram. It's a millennial thing, right, Tal? Yeah. Your mom does it. Is it a millennial thing? Yeah, I know it. Your mom is not a millennial.

She barely made in it, right? Your mom is a genetics. Is she? Millennial. We are millennials. What's the age, though? What's your mom? What is that?

How old is Courtney? I'm 44. Courtney and Sarah are the same age. You might be a little younger than Courtney, actually. Wait, how old are you? How old are you? Are you a millennial? You caught me in the middle of a bite.

Or genetics? I'm 46. Oh, you're way younger than her. I look good, though. You do look good, girl. We're like elder millennials. We are. Because I thought you were 38.

Oh. Yeah. Sarah. And I know, well, Courtney used to hang with me when she was little, when she was younger. When she was younger than Talia, Talia's mother and I used to hang out when I was older. But, yeah, well, because Tom coached her boyfriend in football.

Oh, okay. Courtney's boyfriend was what? Go way back. Go way back, yeah. Courtney's boyfriend was one of Tom's football players, and he was such a great guy. He's actually Katie's brother.

Okay, I was going to ask, but I didn't know. It's Katie's brother. They dated. Okay. And Courtney used to ride with me to, well, not every game, but she would ride with me to away games. I should pull up a picture. Please.

Do you have that picture? Yeah, I can find it. Wait, is it the one? I know which one. Is it the one in our Jeep? Yes. Yeah. picture please do you have that picture yeah i can find it wait is it though i know i'm like is it the one in our jeep yes yeah this this is uh i don't i don't even know if me and tom were married at the time tom and i were not married at this time but she was one of our youth kids so and talia does not tell you looks like her mother slightly. Her other siblings really look like her mother. Yeah.

Oh, really? I have my dad. Oh, my gosh. I mean, Courtney's pretty now. She's a really pretty woman. But I'm just telling you, somebody's airdropping me something. Ignore that. I'm ignoring it.

I was supposed to tell you. But, like, when she was in high school, she was voted best legs or something like that because she did weights. And she's very athletic. She still is. She does a lot of athletic things. But the girl, whoo, pretty. How old is she? 44?

She's 40? She's 44. 44? She's not 44. My dad's 45. No. Yeah. No, she's not. She's 43. I know for a fact she's over 42. She's like my little sister's not 44. My dad's 45. No. Yeah. No, she's not.

She's 43. I know for a fact she's over 42. She's like my little sister's age then. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. You're going to have to enlarge that sucker. Does that not look like Trinity right there a little bit? Oh, my goodness.

That was me and Courtney in my Jeep. I love that. I know. I do not. Yes, you do. No. That was Thomas' baseball cap. That was her in all my Jeep. I love that. I do not. Yes, you do. No. That was Thomas' baseball cap. That was our normal head. It was going to rain, so we had to get the

doors on the Jeep. Of course. Who was that other girl? Her name was Amy Fields. She was sweet as pumpkin pie. She grabbed... No. That's Amy Fields. Yeah. Sweet as pumpkin pie. Sweet girl. Was she like Courtney's age?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. She graduated with Courtney. I could swear she graduated. Or she was a year younger than Courtney. Yep. But we go way back.

Yeah. I'm going to tag her. Way back. So. Way back. That's my girl. I know. I mean, Heather's like a daughter to me only because heather

stayed in contact with us well when they had travel all over the world or all over the united states but courtney she moved away but then she came back and courtney and i were close when she was in high school and before she met uh not she moved, because I think she walked away from God. But then when she came back, she came straight back to the church. So like, there's something to be said for years. Yeah. You know, of loyalty and friendship.

Yes. And things like that. Those are bonds that cannot be broken. They can't. So not lots of times in life can we say that we've been friends with people because life takes us in so many different directions. Like me and Vanessa have 10 plus now. I know.

Like I have lots of people in my life that I can say that I've been friends with for like 10, 20 years. Yeah. Not a lot of people can say that. Yeah. Especially in ministry because people come and go and then people get mad and leave and stuff like that. But when you can hang on to relationships like that,

that's saying something. It's priceless. It's priceless. It really is. Ties the bind. You take a hold and you love each and every minute of it. So if you guys have friends that are like that, you're doing well. Yeah.

So before we go to our questions, make sure, Sarah, we love you. Yes. You are priceless in many different ways. You bring something to the table that most do not but beyond listen in all seriousness i'm not kidding you when i say this to you a lot a lot of people don't go grow spiritually as fast as you have a lot of people don't lay down as much as you do and a lot of people don't hunger and thirst after righteousness and chase after it and are honest with themselves. You know, that's being responsible for your actions and seeing them saying I don't like them and then doing something about them.

Most people are like, that's just the way I am. That's not how God wants us to be. He wants us to lay it all down, follow him, and then he can make us into something amazing and beautiful and that's what has been awesome to see this past like year and a half really is to see this beautiful thing that god is making in you and then he's going to use it in a mighty way and i just truly believe that so good things are ahead yep this year for the your birthday birthday. Best year yet that you've ever had. And you're conquering and taking on new ground each and every day. And blessings upon blessings and favor upon favor.

Everything you put your hand to will be prospered and have favor. In Jesus' name. Amen. I love you, girl. Amen. So good, good, good. All righty. Let's go, girl.

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Childcare will be available for weeks. I mean for that Friday night. So don't let there be any reason that you're not here. Yeah, and bring a friend. Like this is an opportunity that you can bring somebody. It's not a Sunday morning. It might not seem overwhelming, the whole like coming in,

and there's a lot of people everywhere. Sometimes people need this smaller group setting to be more comfortable, and then you can invite them right back on Sunday. So yeah, bring your friends. Yep, and I gotta figure this out. I think I'll do, I have a stewardship Bible that we're gonna give away

okay that night along with a couple other things huh no you can't win you're not allowed to have a raffle ticket look at her she's gonna pout sorry that's how listen that's how i won mine i won mine at uh at dollis and mcgallis's women's conference that's how I won mine. I won mine at Dallas and Magalas' women's conference. That's how I won my first. Yeah, I was upstairs with them, and they're like, the person came up to get us, and they're like, hey, you won the Bible. Oh, my gosh, I remember that.

I'm like Sarah, though. I literally am like, I'm going to win. I speak it, and it happens hey you think you're a winner you're a winner yep that's the way it goes the man you think you're a loser yep you're a loser you are explaining to not win that's for sure well just make friends with a winner let them rub off on you yeah and then it rubs off because I've been sitting next to people and then like all right lord they can have it yeah and then it rubs off. Because I've been sitting next to people and been like, all right, Lord, they can have it.

And then they'll win. See, but that's it. You have to be a friend with a winner that's a giver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So make sure that they love to give, too. Yeah, that does help. Because I won the Stewardship Bible at the conference, the Ladies Conference last year at Beloved. I was up on stage, you know, picking the raffle tickets.

And I was like, I'm going to win this one. And then they pulled my ticket. But I gave it away. It wasn't mine to keep. I know. I got two stewardship Bibles and I gave away both of them, which was heart-wrenching. I ain't going to lie.

That was tough. But then I got this one. I can't remember how I got this one. How did I get this one. I can't remember how I got this one. How did I get this one? I don't remember. I didn't buy it. I know that. Somebody gave it to me or I want it.

I don't know. But now I started underlining things in it. So I was like, God, this must, God, because I was like, I'm going to underline this. This means something to me. This is super important. And as soon as I started underlining,

I went, this must mean this is mine. I get to keep this one. Holy crap, this is awesome. And if I have to give that one away with all my important stuff underlined, I ain't going to be happy. I call dibs.

Lord. I mean, I ain't going to gonna be happy the more you give away though it's like you have that seed in the ground so it's not my knowledge back to you to start over on that stuff is rough that's good that's a good way to look at it though because there's certain bibles that like the perry stone that you gave me or that i how did i yeah you gave that to me at the beginning of the year i've not written in that because i'm like it's so pretty and it's so beautiful and now i'm like me either oh somebody the other day was like i really want that and i just don't have the money and i'm like oh okay did you have to give it to them? I haven't yet, but it's like, when I read it, I'm like, eh, meh, eh. So I gave the date away, which I guess was like, oh, Talia got the date. But that was like passed on. Vanessa had given it to me, and I never wrote in that one either.

So that's a good way to know. I think that one's yours. We're going to go ahead and just say the one you wrote in. That belongs to you. But I haven't written in my Perry Stone. way to know i think that one's yours we're gonna go ahead and just say the one you wrote in but i i haven't written in my perry stone that would that would be heart-wrenching for me to give that one away yeah but i will if i have to i just keep going i'm i'm into the interlinear and i can't get out of it like reading it right next to the greek and heb the Strong's link. And I'm just like, I do use the NIV that I got from here occasionally, the study Bible, the hardcover one.

There'll be some that you don't use a lot and then there'll be some that you use a lot. But it's also like a process too. Like sometimes I'm really into this one and I want to read all the notes and then I go to something else. But it's like just the Bible. I'm into the Amplified Classic right now, like big time. I totally get it. That's why Pastor Rodney buys two of everything.

So he can give one away and keep the other for himself. Yep. That's what he said. Yeah, and he does all the time. I know. It's nuts to see that man literally passing things out left and right it is it's crazy it really is crazy but he's a giver yeah and then that's why he's you can't give out god you can't out give God. You cannot do it. And he just like

he hangs on to nothing. Nothing's of value to him. That's like when you can get to that place, like nothing's of value and like your hand is always open to give, not to receive because most people's hands are always open

to take. But you better be always like this to just release. When you live like that, it's a beautiful thing. It is. It's a good life. It is a good life. In fact, I think everybody at that table over there lives it and practices it. And that's why all of us have the lives we have.

So it's super important but and even if you're like it in uh entering into it like he's young like she's entering into it um more so now because she has a job and things like that but it's just amazing because even you got a car. You didn't pay for that car. Most people pay for their first cars. We always used to say you'd be given one. And again, it's not like the most favorite car for you. But listen, it's a car and it gets you around.

And you're not paying a car payment. So that means all the money that you save is for if you don't get another car given to you for something else yeah it's a pretty big deal but all right let's go into the first question let's do it john 17 12 says while i was with them in the world i kept them in your name those whom you gave me i have kept and none of them is lost except the son of perdition that the scripture might be fulfilled So this is Jesus talking, and he is talking about Judas. And that's what that was referring to. Now the question goes into it. The NIV says,

Except the one doomed for destruction. Instead of it saying the son of perdition. Yeah. So the question says, does this mean that Judas was predestined to do what he did? Did Judas go to hell even though he did what was required in order for scripture to be fulfilled? If so, are there people among us today that are predestined doomed to hell like Judas? Now you need to know there's a lot of people that because the word predestined is in the Bible, there's a lot of people that believe that people are predestined, that some will go, some will, God has ordained that they'll never go to heaven. He predestined them for hell. And so my thought process to that is then why does he go why does he say go into all the world

and preach the gospel to win the lost and to disciple believers if that's the case he would have just told us hey listen don't go there go there don't bother with that one bother with this one because what's the point why go and preach if they're going to be if they're automatically going to be saved because jesus said or god has predestined them if he's predestined the ones then we don't need to really go out and witness and win the loss because they're automatically going to be saved what's the point and if there is they're predestined for hell then there's no point in talking to them why even be a witness does that make sense ladies it really does yeah but there are people that literally like tom told me a story about when he was in college,

there was a girl who believed in predestination, that like what I just described, and they would be out there on the street corners witnessing and trying to win the loss. She's like, I ain't bothering with that because what's the point? Right. If they're going to go to heaven, they're going to go to heaven. They've been predestined to go to heaven.

There's no point in going out and soul point? Right. They're already going to, if they're going to go to heaven, they're going to go to heaven. They've been predestined to go to heaven. There's no point in going out and soul winning. Right. There are people that think like that. That's not what predestined means. And there are scriptures that disprove that theory. But let's go, because that's a great question. Okay. So for me, I'm going to tell you this.

This is biblically sound. Take it or leave it, whatever you want to do. But God never sets up anybody to fail. It's just like people that say that God made people homosexuals. That means that he predestined them to go to hell. That's not what God did not. It's an abomination to be a homosexual. He would not make somebody an abomination.

He doesn't work like that. Now, sin is conceived in each one of our hearts. When we're born, we're born in sin. Okay, but that does not mean that we're predisposed to be gay or we're predestined to go to hell. He doesn't set us up to fail. We are all given personal choices and free will. And thank God he did because he's not a dictator.

Thank God God is not a dictator. What he wants is everyone to come to him, but not because he forced them to, but because they want to. And there's the difference. Most people, the scriptures are true. Narrow is the way, few there be that find it, which clearly says that God already knows most won't come to him. He knows this, that Satan will cunningly confuse them and destroy them. And he comes to steal, kill and destroy. That's what he's going to do. And he is the ruler of this world right now.

So because Adam was actually supposed to rule the world, but because of Adam giving in to Eve and eating that apple, he gave all of his rights away. All of his rights right to Satan because he did that. So what was supposed to be our world is Satan's world. And it's up to us whether we let him like lead us into temptation and then follow that temptation. Or we just say no to all of that and live a righteous and holy life and follow and chase after God. All of us have personal choices though. First Timothy 2, 3 through 4 says,

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. So if we're predestined, then that scripture means absolutely nothing. Okay, that scripture would not exist if everybody was actually, some are going to heaven, some are going to hell, and God predestined that life for them, that they would have no fighting chance at all. That's just not the way it is. So let's go to Judas. First question that you asked about Judas. Did Judas go to hell even though he did what was required in order for Scripture to be fulfilled? This is the second question.

Yeah, I truly believe he did go to hell. And the reason I believe is because he was a sinner. He was a thief. It clearly said that before he betrayed Jesus, he was a thief. He was stealing from the purse of the disciples. People were giving them money and helping to meet their needs and supply their needs. And that's one of the reasons why he was mad when the frankincense and oil was poured over Jesus' head to prepare him for his death.

And it's because that was worth a lot of money. Well,'s because that was worth a lot of money. Well, yeah, it was worth a lot of money. And probably he wanted to steal it so that he could sell it for a lot of money. It was like a year's wage or something like that, if I remember right. So it was worth a lot of money. He was a thief.

He was not a good person. And the reason I believe he was the one chosen to be the betrayer is because God already knew. He was never, that was the lifestyle that Judas chose. He chose to live a sinful life and he was never, ever, ever going to come around and be a follower of Jesus or even be saved. I mean, I personally think at one point, in order to be a disciple, he had to have been saved. He was doing great and mighty works, just like the other disciples. But I think that he began stealing and he became corrupt. And because of that, he walked away. And God knew there was no chance. There was of that, he walked away.

And God knew there was no chance. There was no chance that he was going to come back to him. And so he was the perfect vessel for Satan to enter into and to betray Jesus. And then on top of that, he committed suicide. So in suicide, if you take your life, biblically speaking, it says you don't enter into the kingdom of heaven. You don't have the right to take a life. And that means even your own. So it's murder. So murderers don't go to heaven. But I will say, like I've spoken about suicide before on the podcast, and do I think that everybody who's committed suicide has gone to hell? No, I don't. I actually don't believe that. I believe that there are people who may have had a moment after they had done something and they

regretted it, asked for forgiveness, and I think God is merciful. And so I don't believe that everybody who's committed suicide has gone to hell. On those two questions, ladies, do you want to interject any thoughts or any? These are great questions. They are great. They really are. Predestination is very confusing for people. But my thing is, yeah, sure. And that's where you get like in the nitty gritty. But even let's say it is something, can't be predestined how do you how do I know that Talia is predestined so I'm just going to assume that she's not or is and you don't need to witness her to the right that's what I mean their thought process is is what's the point of right I know so like but we don't we'll never know who is predestined so you have to preach to everybody

you have to like you can't assume anybody's predestined no So you have to preach to everybody. You have to like, you can't assume anybody's predestined. No. Well, that's not the thought process though. The thought process is that it doesn't matter. You don't need to preach the gospel because they're automatically going to be saved. It doesn't matter. It's automatically, they are predestined to go to heaven. Either way. Okay. So they are predestined to hell. So you don way. Okay. They are predestined to hell. So you don't really need to do anything. Okay. Do you know what I'm saying? Okay.

So I always assume that people were predestined to hell, but they're also predestined to heaven too. Like there's two. Okay. So I always thought people assume that people were predestined to hell. Like there's just some people that are going to go to hell either way. So my thought was like, how do you know who they are? But if you think it's just either way, you're predestined one way or another. 100%. Okay. Got it. That's

what they believe. Okay. So what's the point? Yeah. It's interesting. There's no need to preach the gospel, which goes against what the word of God says. I know. That's why I'm like, okay. Okay. That's why it's, that makes less sense to me. I know. Okay. And then I go to 2 Peter 3.9. Sarah's smiling because she did too. Is that what you're pulling up? Yeah. And it says, the Lord isn't really being slow about his promise. And as some people may think, no, he is being patient for your sake.

He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent. And then I went into, okay, what's everyone in the Greek? And it means all. Everyone. Everyone. This makes zero sense. So, I mean, that's God's word. So I'm not convinced that predestination is a thing.

It doesn't mean what they interpret it to mean. It's not that. But a lot, listen, there are denominations that are built on predestination. That's a scary thing. That's why you don't follow a doctrine. Does Calvinism

go hand in hand with predestination? Some Calvinists do believe in predestination. I feel like those two camps hang out like they're cousins. There are some, yes. That is one of the ones that are definitely predestination. Which is scary, in my opinion. Because what's the point? And again, it's not anything with God's word.

Anybody? Sarah, she stole your thunder. I'm sorry. That's great. I have that song that they play in hockey. Thunder. Lightning and the thunder. That one?

No, probably not. I love when I think it's the song, and it's not the song. Do you go to hockey games? Yeah. Okay, I guess that's the one they play and if that's not the one you have in your head, then that ain't the one.

Are you finding it, Tracy? Is that what you're doing? Yeah, it's Calvinist. It's Catholics, Roman Catholics and Arminianism. Arminian. Arminian is what we are. Right.

But there are some people. Well, I think it's the evangelical. I think it's evangelicals that believe in predestination. Okay. I have to look up which one. I think that one. But I know that there's a form of Catholicism that did. I just didn't remember what it was.

Yeah. It's crazy. It's pretty wild out there. No, I was asking. Actually, I'm glad you found that, but I actually was asking if you're finding the thunder song. No, I wasn't. You never know what you're looking for. I know, I know, literally.

She's over here. Well, listen. I'll find it for you, Sarah. No. No, no. I'll find it for you before. Okay, but like my, the way that I interpreted it from what I've heard from other people

makes more sense than what theirs does. Because there's so much scripture that proves that it's wrong. But there's so much scripture that proves that there's no such thing as eternal security. And the whole denomination is built on it. I know. I know it's true. Okay, fine. Fine.

I know. I know. I know. I mean, you got chapters that are called The Great Falling Away. I know it's true. Okay, fine. I mean. Fine. I mean. I know. I know. I know. I mean, you got chapters that are called the great falling away. I know. And you have a whole denomination built on you can't fall away. Right. Hello.

Okay, fine. Okay, fine. It makes no sense. It's true. That's why doctrines are bad. I agree. Man-made. Follow the Bible. I agree. You'll never go wrong. agree. Man-made. Follow the Bible. I agree.

You'll never go wrong. Don't follow a doctrine. Follow the Bible. Right. Amen. It's crazy. Yeah. It's dangerous.

Mm-hmm. The next question was, if so, are there people among us today that are predestined doomed to hell like Judas? And like I said, absolutely not. Predestination is not even in existence. Second Corinthians 5, 14 through 15. Clearly, it is so clear because it basically is saying that Jesus died so that all could be saved. Okay, what's the point if you're predestined? So for the love of Christ compels us because we judge thus that if one and the one, the

word one is capital O talking about Jesus, that if one died for all, then all died and he died for all that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for him who died for them and rose again. So Jesus died for every single one of us. If he only died for specific people, then what's the point? But he died so that all might be saved. And so that way we spend eternity with him.

But you decide whether you want to go to heaven or you want to go to hell. It's really up to us. At the end of the day, that's the greatest thing about God is he lets us determine our predestination or our destination. He lets us decide that.

And what a great God. It's like, well, there well, I was going to say, one of the things that I think I love about being a parent is you guide and you've trained and you guide and you direct. And after a certain point with your child, you allow them to start making their own decisions, depending on the age, for what they can handle. And you know that they'll make the right decisions. And God is

the same thing, right? Like, he's no different than we are. At some point, he's got a, you got to be able to go off on your own, make the right decisions. And, and he trusts that you will. And if you won't, then there'll be consequences for it. And you'll have to determine that. But we do that as parents. We are not, at the age of like 18, telling our kid what they can and cannot do for the most part. I mean, ones that live outside of the home, we definitely don't. We just pray that they make the right decision. And if they don't, like, if you're a good parent, you're not like helicopter momming them still. You just let them do what they got to do and hope that they come back and you pray.

Because helicopter moms are no different than a dictator God. Yeah, absolutely. And he's not a dictator. So we aren't either. You just got to hope and pray that they do what is right, just like God does with us. Anybody else want to add to that question? Not to get super deep here,

but I have recently realized where it says, you know, that God's ways are higher than our ways. I mean, God obviously knows when he creates someone what their ultimate destiny is because he's God. So when I read, and there's lots of verses about predestination, you know, you're predestined to be glorified. And then in Romans 9, it talks about what if God wanting to show his wrath and to make his power known endured with much long suffering

the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. So it's not for us to be concerned about predestination because God is God and God knows. It's for us to do what we've been commanded to do, which is to go into all the world and preach the gospel and make disciples, right? Because there are a lot. I choose to think that I was predestined. I want to think that God knew from the beginning of time. When he knit me together in my mother's womb, he knew all of my days, right?

He does know. He knows whether or not you're going to be obedient and he knows whether or not you're going to heaven. But ultimately, you're making that decision. That's the difference. You're choosing. But he still knew I was going to choose that yeah but he's god but he didn't make he didn't say i i choose sarah choose it no but he didn't even choose you he didn't say sarah you get to come vanessa you don't get to come and that's

what predestination people believe they don't they believe that god's determined who goes and who doesn't. That's not how it works. He knows what you are going to do. He knew Judas would never change his heart. He knew Pharaoh would grow hardened and more hardened and more hardened. He knows the hearts of each and every individual. But that doesn't mean that he's the one that's doing it. And that's what people who are predestination people believe, that God has set them up to fail. That he said, you don't get to come. But you, I like you. You do.

That's not how it works. But he ultimately knows whose hearts will be soft to him, will receive him, and live for him. He does know that. But he didn't determine who will and who won't. But go ahead. Is that what you're saying? Somewhat. Yeah. I just think a deep study of Romans 9, it kind of like, it'll blow your mind a little bit because we're never going to fully understand it all until we see him face to face,

right? We're never going to know. But, you know, it says, therefore, he has mercy on whom he wills and whom he wills. He hardens like with Pharaoh. He hardened Pharaoh's heart. So, yeah, he definitely played a part in it, you know? Yeah, but I've studied it. But like if you do a deep dive into that and you study it out, it's not because they repeat that. Even those scriptures people will take as predestination. And when you look at them and you see them in a different way, or you read them into the way that it was written and why it was written and to who it was written,

it wasn't saying that God was saying that, that what it basically is saying is that I already knew he wasn't ever going to come around to me. There's no point. So because of that, I knew his heart would grow hardened, and I knew what it would take to make his heart grow hardened and more hardened and more hardened. That's some of the reasons why it's like we trigger people, right? Because we know what it will take to get them madder and madder and madder. That's what basically that scripture is saying. It's not that he was hardening it because he's sending him out to fail.

He was hardening it more and more and more because he already knew he wasn't ever going to come around and he needed to get him to a place to release his people. Does that make sense? Yeah. The way Pastor Tom said it too,

it's not like, he didn't say this part, but basically it's not like God touches his heart and makes it harden. god did that but the character of god and how good he was like is what hardened pharaoh's heart that god actually hardened his heart because of who god is like well it's also a fighting of who is more powerful yeah because pharaoh was just like Herod, killing all of the babies

that were two and younger. Yeah. Because there was going to be no one that took his power away from him. Right. He was going to reign and he was going to be king and Pharaoh was the same exact way.

Right. It boils down to pride. Yeah. Oh, pride will harden your heart. It's just, well, what does it say?

Pride comes before destruction. Right. So, Happy Pride well, what does it say? Pride comes before destruction. Happy Pride Month, by the way. And a hearty spirit. It comes before destruction. So good luck with that. And get off our rainbow, please. Thank you. I saw one today that was so beautiful.

On the way here? No, this morning. This morning I saw one in Port Charlotte. A beautiful rainbow. And I was like, I'm posting this. Thank you. With the verse in Genesis. And I was like, I'm posting this. Thank you. With the verse in Genesis because I'm so sick

of seeing it everywhere. The YMCA. No way. Oh yeah. Which I pay $84 a month, you know, to work out there with my family

and I just saw on their Facebook page. What does the C stand for? Well, that's the thing. They changed their name. It's not the YMCA anymore, which was Young Men's

Christian Association or something. Now it's just the YMCA anymore, which was Young Men's Christian Association or something. Now it's just the Y. Like, why am I here? Who am I? What gender am I? Well, I'm just telling you, if you go to Elite Gym, where I do, it is no pride. There is no pride month where I'm at. There's scripture on the wall.

There is. Nice. There is. It's a little expensive. Oh my gosh. It's all about priorities. I mean i mean 80 a month is something already yeah but yeah i'm definitely looking for a new gym okay i'm like why am i giving my money to you if you're gonna use your the reach that you have to promote that i know it's not good just go to Planet Fitness but I'm sure they're all about pride too probably

yes they are are they really I think so is that your is that your gym or is is that yours that's where you go

with Courtney it's not too bad it's not in your face like there's no signage there's no nothing but I think as a company they stand for it

they endorse all of it diversity, equity, inclusion yeah all of it yeah Diversity, equity, inclusion. Yeah, all of it. Yeah. Gotta love it. That's special. We only have a few more days left of Pride Month. It took my birthday month.

I'm not happy about it. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. That's true. Yeah, and mine's on the last day, so everyone's posting. So sad about it. So sad. Pride Month's leaving.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm not. Bye. you say dub july do we get a month like being women heterosexual heterosexual no No. No, you know what they say? Every month is your month. Yeah, yeah. You're right, including June. Thank you. Every month is your month, so we should get one month. That's what they said about black history. But I love it when, like, you got Morgan Freeman, who's like, that's insulting to me.

God bless that man. That's insulting. It should be insulting. I don't get an Irish month. I get a Hispanic month. I don't want get an Irish month. I get a Hispanic month. I don't want one either. What? I get a Hispanic month.

Do you? Do you like that? October? No. I mean, all this is pointing out is. It's also Breast Cancer Awareness Month. It's all of it doesn't make. It doesn't matter.

None of it matters. It's also like. it's also about me. That's one of the reasons why Tom does it like October. Is it October? That's Pastor Appreciation Month or something like that. Something like that. It's somewhere around in there. Don't tell us.

What? Don't tell us what month it is. No, Tom won't allow it. Second Sunday in October. Second Sunday in October. Second Sunday in October. He doesn't want a Harley? No. Yeah, just any week of the month.

Yeah, exactly. If anybody knows Tom, they definitely know he doesn't want a motorcycle. Second of all, like, Tom's like, well, can we start giving months to everybody else that has a profession then? Like, what makes that so special? Yeah. You're doing God's work. The peanut gallery. You're blessed every single, I mean, we're all blessed.

Right. If we're, it's just ridiculous. Does the peanut gallery get a month? Does the peanut gallery get a month? Do we want a month? Yes. Why do you want a month? So you can be a peanut?

Like, you can identify as a peanut and say it's super special? Yes. I will feel important and loved. And it's just, you know, like people will like know who I am as a peanut. As a peanut. Get the attention I've been looking for. What you need to do is ask yourself like the rest of the people for pride that do not agree with pride or don't care about pride.

Okay. What you need to do is do they really care that you're a peanut? I think they do. I think they're like. Let's ask about pride. Okay. Which you need to do. Do they really care that you're a peanut? I think they do. I think they're like... Let's ask the... Okay. Well, just so you know, I'm not one of them,

and I don't care that they're peanuts. My dreams are crushed. It all goes back to pride. It all... It does. I actually felt a little prideful saying that, so I repent. I repent.

Humble yourself. I'm humbled now. Thank you. Very humbled on this podcast. Yeah. On a constant basis. And also in Romans 2.11, it says, there is no favoritism with God. So that just like.

Especially if you're gay. Sarah just said, especially if you're gay. Awesome. Bible's clear. I might lose some followers, but that's okay, the Bible's clear. I might lose some followers, but that's okay. The Bible's clear. It just says what it says.

I mean, he loves you. Yeah. But he don't love that sin. No, he does not. He doesn't. He doesn't.

It's not good. Let's go on to our sponsor before I run out of time. And I'm super excited because she will be here on Friday. Bring your questions. Real estate. Yes. Anything appraisal related.

Like, you'd be shocked. Like, what you do not know. Yeah. Like, if you own a home, if you want to buy a home, like, what's going on in or in around the market like you might want to have your questions ready you can even do them while she's sitting here all with us but it will be a great time to learn because uh people don't education is key it's just like when uh when natalie came on there's just so many things that people just do not know.

And when it comes to this, especially in the market that we are in right now, it's pretty wild. So she's going to come with lots of information, I'm sure. So send in your questions, and I'm going to have a bunch myself. So Laura Keller, Enroll Estate Appraisal Associates of Southwest Florida. She has been in business since 2005. She is a Florida State Certified Residential Appraisal and has been for 24 years. She has three locations, Lakewood Ranch, Port Charlotte, and Tampa. So she is covering south and north. She can assist almost anyone and anywhere.

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to many people step up in a step up in basis appraisal for capital gains taxes and they also provide assistance in selling properties when you call her you let her know that you found out about her from the Hope Hotline. And she's going to give you a 50% discount. Or $50 discount. Not a 50% discount, people. $50 discount. Correction. Okay?

Because God knows. That's coming out of your pocket. I might have her come in. Look at those arms. She might come in and punch my face. And the very first thing she sees on Friday, I say, hi, how you doing? Pow, right in the kisser. What are you telling them, people?

50% off. Oh, my gosh. $50, people. $50. $50. Read my lips. Like George Bush. George H. Bush.

Read my lips. I'm not going to tell you that I'm not raising taxes. He did. I'm telling you. It's $50. What? Yes. You don't remember that?

I do. George H. Bush. Well, they'd like to say that he lost the presidency because he promised, I will not raise taxes. Read my lips. We won't be raising taxes. And then what do you do? Raise taxes.

What a liar. But you know what? I think they rigged those elections back then. Well, he's, you know, the Bush family. Hope I don't offend anybody, but. You won't. They're, they're part of the. Yeah.

If you don't know at this point. They're part of it. They're on the wrong team. Yeah. They all know each other. Tanya, did you say they're predestined? She said predestined to hell. Yes.

Oh my gosh. Guys, I'm so funny, I know. Good one. That was a good one. Knee slapper. Thank you. Oh my gosh. One more question. Let's do it. So this one is, I'm new to Christianity. And you know, it's so funny because I was just talking to somebody this week about this, but I think we answered this one before, to be honest with you. Not the same question.

I think we answered one similar to this. This says, I'm new to Christianity and I really want to learn to hear God's voice when I talk to him in prayer. How do I know if I'm listening to his voice or if I'm listening to myself telling me what I want to hear? Do you guys remember having something as answering questions similar to this? Yeah. It was like a few months ago. Yeah. So like maybe the beginning of last year or something like that maybe it was last year but yeah and i'm telling you right now you are you are one of many that asked this question it is a common common common question especially when you're new but even if you like me like i'll be honest with you there are times that I've heard the Lord and I literally am like,

was that me? Or was that you? Was that what I wanted to hear? Or was that you? Because, hey, listen, truth is we miss it. You should be not missing it more than you miss it. Like missing it should be rare. Yeah. Okay.

Especially if you're prophetically going to be giving people words of wisdom or like, you better know you hear his voice. Yeah. And if you step out and you miss, at least you're pure in heart. There are people that are running willy nilly thinking they're telling people, God told me this and God,

God didn't tell them squat and they're screwing people left and right. Yeah. They're all they're doing is run by their emotions and wanting people to think they're a prophet. Okay? If you say, thus saith the Lord, you better believe that God is actually telling you that. Because you will answer. You put words in God's mouth, that is a dangerous, dangerous thing. And people should be scared

that are just running around willy-nilly saying God told them something. Why are you guys looking at each other? Oh, nothing. Did that happen? No. No. You're lying.

I don't even know what you said. I wasn't even listening. Sorry. Am I doing another thing like that something happened and it did no no just keep going i have no idea what's going on okay i don't either but sometimes i'll say something and i'll be like later on they'll be like hope yeah somebody no no no no no no no you said that you don't know this but and i'm like yeah I didn't know that that's the Holy Spirit are you sure yes

you don't know of anybody that's running around running smack no not actively I mean I was gonna say

I can pull from the catalog Vanessa that's a little bit funny not actively but somebody yes previously yes

yes yes they were doing that I do know somebody that was doing that yeah but not right now not right this second It's been funny. Not actively. But somebody, yes, previously, yes. Yes. Yes, they were doing that. I do know somebody that was doing that. Yeah. But not right now. Not right this second. It was Talia.

She's getting by. It was Talia. It was Talia. I'm just telling you. If you've been in church for any length of time, we've all seen it. It's a bad thing. It's a bad thing. It's a bad thing. So, and I can see what you can't see. I just caught them again.

There's something going on over there and I can't wait to find out what's going on. Listen, Shauna's making fun of me and he's saying that I'm the one that keeps asking the question if I'm hearing God's voice or not. Oh, Shauna's? Yes.

So I was looking at Tracy to see her reaction. But I was trying to read it and then you caught me trying to read it. Well, she saw my face because I was like, this is good for you.

That's funny. Don't let her see your face. Sorry, I don't need to hide. No, I saw Vanessa. Oh, okay. What was your face? I was like... Sean, stop calling me out.

I'm still learning and growing in my faith. Okay. That's funny. Oh, that guy's funny. Okay. What were you going to say? He said you have lettuce in your teeth. Not really.

He's still going. You got him excited. Well, listen. Never mind. You're a good friend. Because good friends tell people when they have things in their teeth. That's true. And in their nose.

True. And their zippers down. Yes. Always. That's a big deal. Yeah. Tell your friend. So.

Anyways. True blue. Alrighty. So let's do this. Because now we got six minutes and i definitely want all of us to give our viewpoints because there's some value in hearing from i mean i could i'm going to tell you my my story which i've said before but um everybody's different right and so there will be one of us that you're more relatable to you. And it'll be like, oh, that's like me.

So let me give you some foundation, okay? So if you're hearing from the Lord, first of all, God is never confusing and God is never vague. All right. So if you feel like you're hearing things from the Lord, when you're first starting out, you should always not like lay a fleece down, which that might not make sense to you. If you're a new Christian, me saying lay a fleece down, you're gonna be like, what the heck are you talking about? Okay, let me rephrase that. That's a biblical story. What did you say?

Ask for a sign. Yeah, ask for a sign or want somebody to come and confirm what you're saying um no what you're gonna have to do is learn to hear his voice so basically what i'm telling you is is um you're going to if you hear something and you question it then you should say lord i'm gonna i'm going to wait wait on this and then I'm going to come back to it, and then I'm going to see if I still hear the same, what I got the first time. Okay? Because sometimes it can be our emotions that we're responding to something

or we're hearing because of our emotions or our feelings. You wait a day or two, those emotions and their feelings subside, and then you can maybe hear him more clearly. Very true, and then it won't be the same, right? But listen, he's never confusing, and he's never vague. And if what you feel like you're hearing is either one of those, be still and know that I am God. Do nothing. When you're confused about anything, do nothing and wait. 1 Corinthians 14, 33 says, for God is not the author of confusion, but of peace. So just know if you feel in turmoil and you feel like you just don't even know which way to go. That's not him. Hold up. Wait a minute.

And just don't do nothing. I love that. That's good. That's my, what is that? Is that an Instagram one? That guy? Hold up.

Wait a minute. I think that's a song. No, it's my guy. It's not a song. Is it a song too? Yeah. No way. No, no, no no no because you remember that guy

that he he didn't say stop wait a minute he's that's a song hold up wait a minute remember because he was got in trouble with the law yeah yeah yeah oh yes is it tiktok but i think i saw it on instagram whatever's on Instagram is from TikTok. So it's like. Except we're not Chinese. It's the recycled one. Yeah, but it's recycled. Yes.

Whatever. They are not stealing my information completely on Instagram. Oh, my God. Yes, they are. All of yours on TikTok. Whatever. No. Listen, Hope, we know this.

If they tell us not to go on something, we go on it. If they tell us not to eat something, we eat it. They say stop drinking raw milk, stop eating meat. We don't listen to them. So if they're telling us don't go on TikTok, we're on TikTok. Yes. Well, that's rebellious. No.

I agree with the meat. I agree with the meat and everything. Yeah. But when it comes to China But when it comes to China, when it comes to China, I think we should take a whole other breather on that one. I think it's all a fib. I read it on TikTok.

They made the rules. Are you sure? Can we confirm that? Can we get confirmation? No. No. Just stop. Okay. No. Just stop. Okay.

Okay. My gosh. Now I got two minutes left. Listen, let's do this. Power two minutes. I don't even know where to go. Yes, you do. Because I did my hold up.

Wait a minute. I got sidetracked. No, that was good. And then you took me down TikTok. I go. Yes, you do. Because I did my hold up, wait a minute, and got sidetracked. No, that was good. And then you took me down TikTok. I'm agreeing with everything you say. I also agree that you need to be. She doesn't even know where she agrees. Yes, I do. You need to be still and you don't make decisions.

Wait 24 hours before you make a decision. Wait, hold up. And then if you still have a feeling the next day. I already said that. That's not where I was going. Yes, it was. That was the hold up. Wait a minute.

Now Vanessa's going to say something to try and figure out because we're all down TikTok. I'm down TikTok lane right now. No, I like this. I like this when you know. It's not. It's about a guy who got arrested. I know. I found him. Can you play

it? We only have two minutes. Because now people are found them. Can you play it? We only have two minutes. Because now people are like, what are you talking about? I'll put it in the chat, guys. Erin, shush. But they can't watch it while we're doing this. Erin, you need to teach me how to download videos fast.

Okay, so if they're confused about hearing God's voice... Well, I now know where I'm at. Okay, perfect. Let's do this. I'm switching over. I was able to... I'm switching over. I'm moving the mic away. Put that in the video.

I'm looking right now. Yeah. So here's the other thing is, is a lot of people think that they hear God, God's voice, and it contradicts His word. Okay? Most of the time, you'll hear God through his word. Right. And then whatever he speaks to you in your heart or wherever he speaks to you,

mine comes from like here. Like when I hear God's voice, I feel like it's in my innermost being when I'm praying. So, and some people hear them in their head, right? It's, everybody's different. I've heard them in my head, but I feel like, like when I'm communicating with the Lord, it's like somewhere in my, my gut to a certain extent. But then when I'm also hearing the prophetic, then I feel like sometimes I just hear it in my heart. Everything is different and it's, it works differently for everybody. But, but whatever God says never contradicts his word. So if you feel like God's telling you something, if you don't know the word very well,

then you need to research it out and you need to make sure that what you feel like he's telling you is actually the word. And if it's not, like I've told this story, I don't know how many times. I knew a couple, they weren't even engaged, I don't think. They were dating. They end up moving in together because he said God told them to move in together. Okay. And then, well, first of all,

goes against two scriptures. One of them right now, I can tell you, it says, do not place yourself in temptation. The second one is to not give the appearance of evil. So they broke two scriptures right there. On top of that, I said, well, are you having sex? And they're like, yeah. And I'm like, well, it says that if you live like this, you're not in here in the kingdom of heaven, which one of them is fornication. No, God clearly told me and her that we are to live together.

And to have sex? Yes. And to have sex? Yes. And to have sex. I'm like, he couldn't have because then he'd be violating his own word. Right. You could not convince them otherwise. They were a hot mess. Biblically speaking, a hot mess.

He never contradicts his word. But I can tell you, that's the most grievous one that I can tell you. But other people have told me other stuff before that they feel like God's told. And I'm like, he couldn't. He can't tell you that because it's like it doesn't go. It goes against what his word says. It doesn't work like that. So and if it leads to sin, if it's something that you feel like he's telling you to do

that will lead to sin, I can promise you it's not him. He doesn't do that. He doesn't contradict himself. Galatians 5, 24 through 25 says, And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the spirit, let us also walk in the spirit. So whatever you're being told to do, it has to coincide with the Word. Okay, every time.

And if it doesn't, hold up. Wait a minute. And just rest. Don't do nothing. And wait on Him. And I'm going to just tell you, for me, when I hear the Lord speak to me, when I'm talking to Him, I talk to God like he is my friend. I have conversations with him, like I have ones with Tracy. And then I have ones where I'm praying, and it's not like I'm

communicating with him. It's like I'm talking to God. I do it different ways with him at different times of day. Then there's times where I'm just talking to the Holy Spirit and I'm communicating with him and he's communicating to the Lord for me in tongues. It's all different, but you will hear him differently the more you speak to him and you'll be able to understand it. It'll be clear to you. But when you're fresh and you're starting out new, it's intimidating and it's a little scary to a certain extent because you don't want to be wrong. But you've got to jump off the cliff and take that leap of faith to even get the chance to be wrong. And so I say just go for it and have that relationship with him and

have your checks and balances. And if it fits into the checks and balances, I'm just telling you, if I had never communicated with the Lord, have a journal and watch things that the Lord's told you to do or has spoken to your heart about. And that's another way I've realized I hear his voice. And there have been times where I'm like, Lord, is that really you? Am I really hearing you? And he'll always, it's almost always the same thing. He goes, you know my voice.

You know, you know me. And then I'm like, yes, I'm going to be, I write things down. I write things down so that I can check them off so that it's one more, it's one more thing to have a faith stand on. Okay. My faith grows every time one of the things I feel like he's told me comes to pass. So I know, I know his voice, but then I also know he's true and he comes through for me every single time. And then your faith grows so that the next thing that comes across your path, you go, okay, he did it there. his voice but then I also know he's true and he comes through for me every single time and then

your faith grows so that the next thing that comes across your path you go okay he did it there he'll do it here you know what I'm saying go ahead Sarah um Tracy's not ready because she's trying to download hold up wait a minute correct no I put it on over. I got it up. And Aaron gave us a recap of what it was in words. In the chat. In the chat. Like he wrote out so everybody knew what that was. What I was trying to say. He described it.

He described what that video was. I was like, thank you for the description. Aaron. It's funny. He didn't have to be here early. So he has time. God bless, Aaron. We should have. He didn't have to be here early. So he has time. God bless Aaron. We should have him come on one time.

And be like, you know how the Fox has the five? Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? We could have the six. Let's do it. He could be the guy peanut gallery. And we'll have to add him to the peanut gallery thing. I can do that.

I can do it. I'll add a ball to it. I can do that. I can do it. I'll add a ball to it. I can do it. And he has to be holding minty chalky chippy. Yes. Okay. He's not eating minty chalky chippy right now. He's not.

Now he's losing money. Hey. Hey. I might have given out a little secret. So when you see him thin. Yeah. You know why. He wasn't eating it. Not it go ahead sarah um i just probably in the last six months or so really started to

understand that the peace of god is what rules in your heart so So if you think that it's God, but there's no peace with it, it is not God. And that's Colossians 3, 15. Let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body and be thankful. And so there's been times when I will be like, kind of, or not really so much much anymore but like get manic and a little scared like God told me to do this and I have to do it like if I don't do it then and that ain't it bro no like there will always be the peace that passes understanding if it's coming from him because all of his paths are peace I don't know where that says it's in from him because all of his paths are peace. Always.

And comfort. It's in Psalms somewhere, but yeah. There's a comfort about him. He's the comforter. Right. And there's something sweet about that. Yeah. But a lot of people are manic in their relationships with God and then their relationships that revolve with God and are around him.

It's like they're always perplexed. We're never to be perplexed or in despair at any time. And if you're walking in that, then that's not right. Right. Or like any kind of fear or confusion, like you said earlier like I think about um Sarum at the river and that whole story about how she thought that the Lord was telling her to give her wedding rings and the offering but she was like oh I don't know panicking she was freaking out sobbing and at first we are all like oh she's getting touched isn't that nice you know and then the Holy Spirit spoke to me and

he said get over there and I didn't even know what I was going over there for but when I got there and they told me what was going on I was like stop right now if he does want you to do this then you have the rest of the conference to do it you don't have to feel afraid you don't have to be worried you don't have to think that you're gonna miss it and that you're not obedient because the fact that you're freaking out right now about it shows your heart that you want to obey him, but it's never going to be. Um, and I think it's in second Corinthians where it talks about God loves a cheerful giver, but it also says, don't give out of compulsion or fear. And so, um, his, it will always be peace when you hear his voice yeah and then i know if you miss it you miss it right well yeah because god is merciful and he knows your heart but i've

seen people give and they should not have give given and then they're like because they're caught up in the moment and then i'm like i have had to say to them, yeah, I'm like, did God tell you to do that? Well, I felt like that. And I'm like, you really need to check that because that's flesh, too. You need to check it because you'll know. Yeah. You'll know if you're supposed to. And there won't be anything afterwards like like, holy crap, what did I just do?

Right. Right. Right. No buyer's remorse. thing afterwards like like holy crap what did I just do right right right no buyer's remorse no you know buyers remorse because even the people that have been like I was I would really love that thing and that was tough to give up but I feel so good about it they don't feel like that they're like I I really wish I had that you know mm-hmm know, that's not, you shouldn't have given it up then. Cause that, that probably wasn't the Lord. Cause he, if it's from him, then you'll never feel like that. Your heart would have been in the right place to give it, you know? So I don't know, Vanessa. Um, everything that you guys said, I know for me,

like when I hear God's voice it one it never contradicts his word right two it's always laced with peace always and and then also like he talks to us so uniquely for me a lot of times he will speak to me first thing in the morning when i open my eyes i hear his voice and then I do write it down. I have a journal. I actually put it on in my notes in my phone so that I always have my phone with me. Yeah. And I write it down.

And then now recently as I'm, you know, ministering and he'll give me a word of knowledge. He gives me pictures as we're praying and he'll give me a vision for somebody, and that's new for me, and that's super cool. It's super cool. But it's so unique to the person. He knows how to speak to me in the way that I can hear his voice, and I don't doubt. And for the believer, you just have to narrow that down.

But for me, always, one, it can't contradict his word. And it has to be laced with peace. And if it's those two things, then it's solid. Oh, and another thing, he repeats. So if I do miss it like if i do because i'm human and i'm you know i i kind of like i'm distracted with ambient noise um he will repeat it and he will highlight it over and over until he gets my full attention right and so and that's another way he speaks to me oh yeah oh yeah he's so good yes

yeah yeah it's the same for me it's always like i can always find what he said in his word and i have that like you said like that gut feeling it's like right in here i always get that and it's always like i know that i know that i did not say that like Like that was not me. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. And sometimes it's like, if you're a big dreamer, like I dream big. Yeah. I, for me, there's no limits to what God can do. None whatsoever. Now, can I, can I handle maybe everything that God would tell me futuristically speaking? Probably not. That's why he's so good. He gives us in the increments that we can handle. But for me, I take the limits off of what God can do. So when God told me in 2009 everything that would happen with us for Tom and things, I was like, people would, some people looked at me like I was nuts they're like you live in Englewood

like are you kidding me like how's all that but we're just seeing the beginning stages of it all and I've seen how God set it all up and those people that kind of thought I was they're now seeing it and now they are like she does hear God's voice but I've also gone to dinner with people and they were involved with one another and they were wanting to know, they were thinking about getting married and stuff like that. And they don't want to go to dinner with me. And the reason they don't, and they were like, we don't, we don't, we didn't want to come because we don't want to hear what the Lord's going to tell you about us. Cause I will hear things and I will, and prophetically speaking, like sometimes it's not always, you know,

the word for the body is edifying, but sometimes God will tell you things like you guys should not be together. This is not good. And like people don't want to hear that. And the more you get it right, the more they know that you actually hear the voice of the Lord and people don't want to hear that and the more you get it right the more they know that you actually hear the voice of the lord they don't really want to have anything to do with you because they're afraid that you're going to tell them something that they don't want to hear yeah so but you need to be able to that that's that's really good when it's refined that much that

people are like yeah i don't know if i really want to, which I've been told that a bunch. I don't want to be your friend. I don't want to be your friend. It's not that they don't want to be, yeah, they don't want to, I literally have been told like, I'm waiting till after I get married to even talk to you. Talk to you. Oh yeah. That's happened to me more than once.

Yeah, yeah. Complete opposite. I'm like, if that's how you feel, maybe you shouldn't get married. Yeah. But then there's other things too, but dream big. Sky's the limit. Don't like if God put something in your heart and then you ask and then maybe he'll bring confirmation to it because the bigger it is, the more he'll confirm it. And when he does like never doubt that run towards it. And it's, it's a big deal. It's super exciting though. Go ahead. Very similar. Same. It's, it's peace always when I hear his voice, even if it's conviction,

like there's still peace attached to it. You know what I mean? So it's like, if it's a good idea, it's not, I know it's him because I'm like, I never would have thought of that. That's so smart. And then, and then patterns, I don't make decisions very quickly. I'm not an impulsive person that makes decisions. I usually thought about it for a very long time. Um, and then, so I, I don't, I like, he'll show it to me again and again. Cause he knows, like, I need to know that I know that I know that I'm making that decision. Um, obviously if I'm around people that I trust and they've shown that they like love the Lord and they're pure in their heart, I'll make quicker decisions. But in general, God has to confirm it quite a few times for me, almost to the point that it feels stubborn. But I'm just like, God, I just want to make sure, especially big decisions.

And then once I know I'm good, and then it's like you just run with it. But yeah, it's peace. It's always peace, even in correction, even in the good stuff. There's something to be said for not rushing in. And I think like Pastor Rodney talks about how he's like going gangbusters. And then Adonica will reel him back in. Because she's like that. And Jer's like that too.

I know. And I'm like Pastor Rodney and Tom is like you. Yeah. I'm like, let's do this. Yeah. It's like, hold up shorty. Yeah. I love it.

We're moving way too fast. Right. Right. Yeah. I'm like, why? Let's do it. Let's do it. Why do we have to wait?

And Tom's always like, I ain't ready, sister. I hear God a little slower than you. Exactly. And sometimes I'm like, I ain't ready, sister. I hear God a little slower than you. Exactly. And sometimes I'm like, do you really hear God? Do you really hear him? He does, for sure. But hopefully that helps you. And if this is you that wrote this question, come and talk to us personally.

Especially if somebody relates to you more than the other. Just come and talk to us if you come to the church or whatever. And that's part of discipleship, really. It's like learning to hear his voice is part of discipleship. But I would tell you again, strongly get involved, especially if you're a new Christian. Get involved. Get around other women or men.

If this was written by a man, then get in the men's groups that we have or the men and women's groups. And iron sharpens iron. That's what the scripture says. If you want to learn how to do something, be around people who are doing it. And they will help you refine it and do it and succeed versus missing it more right so all right ladies and gentlemen we are 17 minutes over have a oh you're gonna play my video can you play it no i don't i put it in the chat oh you put it in the chat yeah i don't have it downloaded okay then i'm watching it when

we okay yeah yeah we'll play it you're gonna do going to do that. You're going to do that for me? I'm going to figure out. Aaron knows how to download videos, like, immediately. So he left the chat. Yeah. He totally dipped out on us. Probably because I told everybody about his mentee chocky chip. Yeah.

Oh, that was my bad. Aaron's on a diet, and he's like, fine. You telling all my business? Bye. There you go. Uh-huh. But we'll figure that out. Then we'll be able to play them quickly.

But they're in the chat. He's probably on his way here. Have a great Wednesday. We will see you on Friday. And then Friday night too, I hope. So have a good one. Bye. Real talk.

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