The Hope Hotline - What Does The Bible Say About Self-Defense!?

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

What Does The Bible Say About Self-Defense!? What is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

How you doing today, guys? How's life? So good. So good. I wasn't asking you, I was asking the people who are watching. Oh no. Oh my gosh, goodbye.

But I'll take what you guys are, see how you do. Rude. I know, I know. So how are you guys doing over there? Doing great. Awesome. We made it to Friday.

We made it. You know what? So easily. You blinked and Friday was here. Literally. Exactly. Holy crap. So fast. Anything fun?

Anything planned fun for the weekend? This weekend? Yeah. I've got nothing, which I like. Where I can just like chill. Cause it's been kind of crazy. I got nothing. Yeah.

Toody has a birthday party to go to. So that kind of breaks up Saturday. And then, you know, Sunday is all day Sunday. Yeah. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. I hope I have nothing. I hope I have nothing. I hope I have nothing. I'm hoping that I'm not forgetting.

If Hope made plans with you, reach out right now and let me know. I'm hoping I have nothing. I'm pretty sure I don't, which is gonna be unusual, which means. You'll find something to do. Day of cleaning the house. That's exactly it.

I know, always. I need a good playlist. Oh yeah, hey guys. Do you have to clean your house? Yeah, Saturday, tomorrow, yep. Yes ma'am. Whenever I don't have a day. Never go home with Charity Gale.

Yeah. Whenever I don't have a day where I'm busy, I like to clean. Me too. Well, not me, but I will be. Yeah, it's nice to have a day. And I'm gonna chill, and I'll relax a little bit.

Yeah, absolutely. Yep, so. Okay, so can you, I don't, this is improv, but. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. So, okay. So can you, I don't, I, I, this is improv, but I don't know if people saw this, but we did the penny trick. I forgot to tell you I wanted this, but we did the penny trick on the wall

to see if the Lord was with us. Well, wait a minute, what is it? It's a sign of faith. Is that what they were saying? If the penny sticks to the wall, and this is from Wednesday's podcast, the question was about the penny. And if the penny stuck to the wall,

then you had the faith. It's a sign of a miracle, or it was like a sign that you had faith. Like God's power running through you. If you could have seen, we did not videotape Norma's response, but Norma literally flew up against the wall. I think her body print was pushed through the wall.

It was the best. I didn't film because I really, really didn't think this was going to happen. So I was like, this is stupid, like Norma's got this, like whatever, it's so silly. And then after that complete missed opportunity to- Oh my gosh. Oh, I should have told you to have it ready.

I'm really sorry about that. No, I just didn't even think like Norma was doing it. It was fine. No, no, no. I mean, right now- Oh yeah, no, it's coming, it's coming. I mean, I totally- I thought about it too.

I was like, I wonder if we're gonna wanna show the Penny thing. Well, cause not everybody's on social media. So if you're on social media, you've already seen this. If you're not, then you haven't. Yeah, I saw it, but I had no idea what it was. Yeah, nobody had. Okay, she didn't watch the podcast.

Oh. How dare you? Caught. Busted. Busted. Well, when people were like, I need more context. I'm like, watch the podcast. That's the point.

That's the point. All right. Are you ready? Do it. OK. Becoming one with the paint, guys. Pray. No, I'm not doing that.

I am. I can feel it, guys. She can feel it. Imagine if I just passed out. Put your forehead to the wall and really feel the paint She held it for a really long time. She held it for like 45 seconds Yeah We're children.

This is wood. Yes, this is wood. Talia. This is real wood. I don't think this one's gonna work. I can already feel it moving. It's a. It's a.

The energy was not there on the wood door. It wasn't. It wasn't there. It's a different frequency. It's a different frequency. I chachi-piti'd it. Apparently if there's texture on the one door. It just wasn't there. It's a different frequency. It's a different frequency. It is. I chat GBT'd it. Apparently if there's texture on the wall and the penny is at any angle at all,

the friction will hold it for a time. But that was a long time. Like they literally pushed the penny off the wall. So my sister said she used to do this in school. Nobody can hear you. Yeah, yeah. Tal, nobody can hear you. Gosh, my sister said she used to do this in school

with like yardsticks and everything. So like, it was like a science thing. Okay. So everybody thought our podcast room was demon possessed. I know. We literally had to anoint the place with oil. Like an Oreo is demon possessed. Have you heard about that?

Yes, I have. Yes, I have. I didn't. I think it was you guys who told me. Sarah, I was asking Sarah, Sarah, did you know that Oreos are right now? I've heard things about Oreos, not necessarily that they were possessed by demons, but.

They're not healthy for you? They're demonic. Well, I mean, that's kind of a no-brainer that they're not healthy for you, but. Spiritually speaking. Do you eat them? No, I saw a video. You don't eat Oreos?

I do not eat Oreos. Is it because they're demon possessed? No, and they're in my house too. So like other people in my house, Derek, buys Oreo. I can't even have them in my house because I will consume them. You can't be touched. Especially the vanilla ones.

But go ahead. I saw a video where they took a blowtorch to it. And it didn't catch on fire. And I'm like, I don't know if I want to eat that. Right, it dissolves in your mouth. It's food. But it dissolves. But it's not food.

It should catch on fire. But if you put it in milk and it dissolves, that means it dissolves. Why would it catch, but there's other stuff that wouldn't catch on. I just don't eat Oreos because it's gross. It's like McDonald's and it never gets moldy. Right, that's perfect. Not actually food.

Not actually food, that is true. No, but they do taste good. I mean, here's the thing though. If I tried to have one now, I bet you I'd be like, oh, this is nasty. Because when you eat clean for a while, you eat something that's not clean, you could taste the chemicals.

Oh my gosh, okay. Is your Oreo cookie satanic? You can taste the chemicals. Your palate changes. Oh my gosh, okay. Put that on the screen. Is your Oreo cookies satanic? Oh, maybe I have satanic. A Freemason? Where do you see the Freemason? I do not see the Freemason. This is looking pretty satanic to me.

Right there. Right in the middle. Look at it. Look at the bottom, see? Look at all that symbolism right there. Look at all that symbolism. They are gonna have their downfall from their symbolism. That's what they say.

Ah. Nobody can see you. Nobody can hear you. No. Tara did say that she's the only person she's gonna allow to pray over her now is Talia after the penny sticking in the wall. I mean, obviously.

She's like, if she has that level of faith, I'm like, I didn't even. I'm looking at this, this is a reach. I, yes. This is a reach. Holy mackerel. I'm not kidding you. That's pretty silly. That's unbelievable. Yeah, I'm not buying it. I don't see it at all.

I do not see this at all. Okay. According to snoops who we don't trust, by the way, if you're a conspiracy theorist, I don't see this at all. I don't see this at all. I don't see this at all. I don't see this at all.

I don't see this at all. I don't see this at all. I don't see this at all. I don't see this at all. I don't see this at all. I don't see this at all. I don't see this at all. I do not see this at all. Okay, according to snoops, who we don't trust, by the way, if you're a conspiracy theorist, they are saying that the symbolism is false and that it is not satanic.

So that probably means it. That is it. Yeah, maybe it is. That means it is satanic. Snoops is saying it. It's satanic. This is, yeah, I might have to look into this. Okay, so everybody, listen, you can get the off-brand.

Walmart sells them. I'm pretty sure they're not. Not as good. I'm pretty sure they're not as good. I'm telling you right now. I had to grow up on the off-brand. Is your Oreo cookies. They never meet.

They can't match. I think that one's a reach. I mean, there have been other ones. Like if you look at Disney, some of the Disney stuff, it's straight on, like, there's no denying it. They're not hiding anything. It's in your face, right? But that, that's a reach.

If at all, anything. I mean, I see nothing. Well, because you're deceived. Oh my gosh, Sarah. You mean so many that your eyes are blind. That's what it is. I want to eat them so bad. I want to eat them so bad that I'm not willing to look at the truth.

Thank you. That's what it is. That's what somebody might say. That is so true. That's the first level of deception. You won't admit it. Oh my gosh. If you could see Taya right now,

not that you guys care. Taya is working so hard on her bangs right now. Unbelievable. I am like five minutes. Cause she's gonna be on TikTok. So she wants to look good. Yeah. Are you regretting the bangs, Taya?

I love them, I do. Yeah, she loves her bangs. She says she loves them and they're hard to style. Yeah. Yes, they're just hard to style. And when you go in the wind, it's like all over the place. And I look retarded walking into Walmart and everyone's staring at me because I have to fix my bangs.

Oh my gosh. All of that. That's like the Oreo. And I still want them. That's a reach. Everybody's staring at you and wondering. Nobody's staring at you. That's a reach just like the Oreo. And I still want them. That's a reach. Everybody's staring at you and wondering. Nobody's staring at you. That's a reach just like the Oreo.

Oh my gosh. It's cause you're so cute. I just can't help themselves. True. True. And they're going, see those bangs? Oh my gosh. They look so bad.

I don't know who cut them. I love a good bangs. I just get, I know who cut them. That's why I said it. Oh, did you show her your nails by the way? Oh my gosh. That hope you see them. Okay, people.

Yeah, you're gonna have to come here. Like I have to say, they are super cute. If you're a guy and you're watching, I'm really sorry right now. Just hit click, click, click. Just wait a second. Yeah, just wait a second. But okay, so she did her nails

because she wanted them in black. Yeah, go to the camera. Yeah, go to the camera. She did them in black, right? Yep, pull all that. Yep, keep going back. You'll find a spot. Keep going.

Go in front of Hope's face. Go in front of my face. Hope's face. Go in front of, come around here. There it is. Oh, there we go. There it is, there we go. Now flip them around. Okay, go back a little bit.

So she did them like Louis Vuitton shoes. There you go. There's black on the top, red underneath. So cool. Isn't that cute? You can't see it except for on your thumb. It is so cute. Your thumb, you can clearly see it.

Yeah, you can see them thumb for sure. Isn't that cute? I love it. That was pretty creative. Whoever thought of that. Whoever thought of that. TikTok. Okay.

Oh, yeah. Oh, she had her nails and then she showed her. That girl. That's demonic too. Oh my gosh. Well, so bright. I love it. Yeah, I mean, red and black.

Exactly. Come on. Jeez. Easy. You know what I'm toying with? I'm toying with doing for the beloved conference. I'm not a Louie person, but I'm toying with doing a Fendi purse or something.

Oh yeah. I'll be claiming that right now. Louie just made me think of that. In Jesus name. It's my favorite, just so you know. Fendi is my favorite. Is it gonna be a real purse though? It's a real purse.

Not enough. Or like Chinatown. Yeah. I'm not going to Chinatown. Not the dupes. I'm probably gonna have to have, go buy it specifically from, like Louie, when we've bought it in the past,

we've had to buy it straight from the internet. Right. Because you can only get vintage at like Dillard's and I don't want vintage because that's pre-owned. Oh really? Dillard's only has like pre-owned. Not pre-owned, it's just out of season, isn't it? No, no, no.

They've already been owned. I've already looked into it before because, oh yeah. I looked into it. I even asked their representative that sits at the counter. They've been owned before. They're very, yeah, they are. Like very selective.

Like there's no flaws on these bags. They probably were worn once or twice, but who ever owned them, but they're vintage because they are older and they're pre-owned. I was just there the other day. I saw them. And I don't want that.

I want like whenever we've done it, like by gift cards or whatever, you have to go buy it. Well, I don't, Heather does, but I do nothing like that. I'm like, Heather, I'm only like, Heather is Tom's and then every now and then I know what I can, Heather's for Tom to like, I am not, she's his assistant. So there we go. There's the word. Oh, well, Heather's for Tom to like, I am not, she's his assistant, so. There we go.

There's the word. Oh, well she's like our kid. So I'm not allowed, like I'm allowed to ask her to do things, but within- Within reason. Within reason, because I can't overstep my boundaries when it comes to- Is there not a Louis Vuitton store in Tampa?

Oh, probably, but like I don't really want to drive there. So Heather just takes care of it. But I think there is none, from my girlfriend that knows that I love Fendi, she's like, you're not going to get a Fendi, cause she got a Fendi and it's like beautiful. She's like, you're not going to get a Fendi unless you go to Miami.

Cause that's where she had to go to get hers. Yeah. Hey, road trip. You probably can get, she could tell me where to go. But you probably can get it online. But that's what I'm thinking girls. What do you think about that?

I love that idea. I think that'd be great. I know. Can we like, if we're serving, can we also have- Absolutely not. A chance to win. Oh yeah, why not? Okay.

Just checking. The only people who can't is me. Okay. Everybody else can. Okay. Yeah, doesn't matter. It's just my party. So I'm the, since it's my party, you can't. Can I purchase extra tickets?

No. No. One and done. Yeah, that hurts. Lose it? No, you're gone. You either get, that hurts. Lose it. You're gone. You either get it or you don't. Yeah.

So. Watch me get it and then the Lord be like, you gotta give it away. Oh, I know. To me. Exactly. Yeah, I know, literally right to hope. To me. If you win that sector, it's probably gonna go to me.

Yeah, I know. That's why you're not even getting a ticket. Cause you know, the Lord is gonna impart. That is my ultimate, like that's not my ultimate thing. That I have other things that, you know, I say Lord, I would really love that. But like for me, that's my purse, my someday purse that I will get myself.

I love, I'm not a flat, Louis is too flashy for me. And I don't like the colors. Right. Right. It's not my thing. It's got big logos on it. Yeah. I feel like Fendi is more quiet luxury.

And it's my error. Like, yeah. And I was gonna say. It's my error. So, yeah. Louis was not around and if it was, I didn't know about it. Yeah.

Back in the day. So, that's my thing So that's what we're probably gonna do. I've been I've been pondering. I like it cool. I like it So let's go girls. I'm ready. Come on All right, guys, if you are on Facebook, there's a few of you on there So if you're on you can come over and hang out on rumble. I'll send the link to you guys now We've got two options. We've got Hope Hotline on Facebook and we also are streaming to Foundation Church. So if you are watching either

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And then don't forget March 8th, which guys can you believe it tomorrow is March. What the heck. I cannot believe it. We just celebrated Christmas. We just, literally, it was just January. Like what happened? Okay, so we're in March tomorrow.

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be able to celebrate and worship God and just for who he is. And I'm really excited for this. These are always really great nights. It goes by way too fast. By the time it's over, you're like, wait, like I just got warmed up. So yeah, so we're excited to see you guys

and definitely join us next week, Saturday, next Saturday. It's gonna be fun. It goes by so fast, I cannot believe we're in March. I can't either. And before I came in here, my son was telling me that Trump kicked Zelensky out of the White House a short time ago. Oh.

Like, I don't know. Okay. A few minutes ago. All right. Yep. They were waiting for a press conference and everything. He gone. And Trump said he ain't allowed to come back

to the White House until he wants peace. Okay. Okay. I was wondering what the like stipulation was. Oh yeah. Okay. So, isn't that special? Okay. That's interesting.

Interesting. Very. Like it's so nice to have somebody who is like, strong, authoritative. Like a man. Yeah. Like a functioning. Like an alpha.

Yeah. Like a misogynist. Yeah. Isn't that what they say? Yeah. I'd rather have that. A toxic masculine man. That is some toxic masculinity right there,

kicking somebody out of the White House. That's not very kind and respectful and loving. But it's way better than having a guy who can't walk up the steps of Air Force One. Correct. Without tripping and falling. Right, correct. I'll take that.

Correct. Over somebody who's weak and feeble. Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on. Is that your Joe Biden? Yes. Oh my God.

Yes. I knew it. Oh my gosh. Vanessa. I liked it. I liked it. My best. A little update from the live chat.

Courtney tried the penny trick and it did not work. So she now therefore has no faith. That sounds bad. Kallia you have more faith than your mother. No, it didn't work for her. That's funny. Wow. That's funny. Wow. That's funny.

Yep. Yep. Not shocked or surprised. Sorry. Sorry, Court. It just missed in the wall. Trust me. Talia says no. Trust me on this one. Oh man.

All right. Let's get going. Yeah, let's do it. First question is, what does the Bible say about self-defense that can lead to fatality? If we are defending our own life or a loved one's life or even a stranger, then that's in danger and we commit involuntary manslaughter out of self-defense, does that still count as murder

regardless of the circumstances? So for me, I'm a big person on believing you can defend yourself. I mean, Old Testament said an eye for an eye, you know, and so a lot of people would say that Jesus said, we'll turn the other cheek. Okay. And so there's the Old Testament and the New Testament. But when Jesus was saying turn the other cheek, that was a slap in the face. Or he was actually saying it about the Romans, because the Romans would,

they were brutal, but they weren't like literally killing people. I mean, not saying that they didn't, I'm just saying, turn the other cheek was meant as a way of forgiveness. It wasn't in a way of if somebody tries to kill you, let them do so, okay? So a lot of times people will say that as a means of saying you shouldn't defend yourself. And I disagree with that.

Ladies, do you agree or do you not disagree about turn the other cheek versus an eye for an eye? Let me, before we get going on this, I would love to hear your theology on that before I move forward So you've answered this before some like something like this and it was the first time I heard it where I don't know Maybe it's just like a revelation or what it was But when you said it I was like, oh my gosh, like that makes sense because I've always wondered like You know like millet guys in the military police officers like all that kind of stuff I've always like, like, you know, like guys in the military, police officers, like all that kind of stuff.

I've always, like, it always sat right, like that they had to do what they had to do, but I never really reconciled it until the podcast that you spoke about it. About how the Lord, in Old Testament times, I mean, and I have this later on, the Lord had the Israelites killing other people. Yeah. It would been held to their account.

They wouldn't go to heaven. I mean, war is, I mean, the Lord was telling them to go to war, God was. And he also said he would hand them over to him. Saul was lost everything. Jonathan no longer his son was allowed to become king and the heir to the throne because he didn't go in and inhabit the land and kill everything from animal to person. He didn't destroy the inhabitants of the land and

because he was disobedient and saved the best, the Lord said, you're done. I mean you'll live out being the king but the heir to the throne goes to somebody else, not to your family. So for me, it's the God is the same yesterday, today, even forever. Correct? So those things, I think when you're defending, when you're at war, when you're protecting, I think that right, they even had to, when the Israelites were in their camps, they set aside a place that somebody who killed somebody within their tribe could go and seek refuge so that they wouldn't be killed. could go and seek refuge so that they wouldn't be killed. So there, that's just the way it is. And if they got killed because they killed somebody else,

if it was righteous, then they weren't, there was no punishment for them. But Luke, let's look at this. Luke 22, 37 through 39 says it is written, and he was numbered with the transgressors. And I tell you this, must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment. The disciples said, see Lord, here are two swords. So my point to this scripture is that even Jesus's apostles carried weapons on them. And one of the questions is, you know,

or one of the questions I have is self-defense. I mean, you can do it with your fist, you can do it with a gun, you can, what is it? Well, even Jesus, the disciples at the time, carried weapons, which were swords. And what was the reason they had those? I would believe it's for protection. I mean, it wasn't for cutting fruit

or chopping down a tree. I don't believe that, you know? And isn't that part of being like a peacemaker? Like sometimes you would have to do things in order to keep the peace. I've not read that, but when it says like some of the fruits. Like the difference between being a peacekeeper and a peacemaker.

I don't know, that's just the thing that popped into my head just now. Well, a peacemaker is definitely different than a peacekeepers is definitely different than a peace. Peacekeepers are people who usually, they'll do anything to keep the peace. A peace maker doesn't do anything. They do it within the-

Right, and they often like compromise too. Very much so, yeah. Vanessa was just an exodus, that's why. Exodus 22 through three, which states that if a thief breaks into your home at night and is killed while trying to defend yourself, you are not considered guilty of bloodshed. That's why you were just reading Exodus.

So she was thinking like- She just moved into Leviticus. I did, I did. Because we're proud of you. Yeah. But for me, I mean, I mean, for me, if the disciples are carrying swords, there was reasons for it.

And if they were wrong to do it, then Jesus would have said, no, you're not allowed to do that. So here, let's keep going. So it says, the disciples said, "'See Lord, here are two swords, that's enough,' he replied. Jesus praised on the Mount of Olives. And then it says, the disciple said, see Lord, here are two swords. That's enough, he replied. Jesus prays on the Mount of Olives, and then it says, Jesus went out

as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him. So then, if you if you keep going on, which will go to John 18, 11, Peter then, when Jesus has Judas come to him with all the soldiers the Roman soldiers to come and take him away Peter gets a little full of himself and I think it was partly it was fear for his own life along with I think that he really didn't want Jesus to be taken and to be crucified. I mean, Jesus warned them and then Peter says, no, that's not going to happen to you. Even though he was chastised and he was corrected and Jesus said,

get thee behind me, Satan. I truly believe the love that Peter still had, Peter had for the Lord in his heart, even though Jesus had said get thee behind me this has to happen Peter still didn't want to lose his friend and I think he was afraid for his life but I think he was also afraid for the life of Jesus and so when he cut the ear off of the Roman soldier which we'll read he like if you look if you've read anything about Peter, he was a zealot, okay? He was, there were lots of, there were disciples that were zealots and they were,

they were believing for a messiah to And so I think that for Peter, I think he was trying to defend his friend as well as himself. In the process, he didn't do what the Lord wanted him to do because the Lord was also not to... He had 12 disciples and none of them or no harm was to come to them. So by Peter doing that, he could have like had them all killed, which was not good. John 18 11 says, So Jesus said to Peter, put your sword into the sheath, shall I not drink the cup which the father has given me. So then the Lord puts the air back on the soldier and like, oh, to be there.

Yeah, right. Like, and the air's back on the Roman soldiers side of his head and completely healed. Imagine being the Roman soldier. I know. What the heck? Holy moly. What's happening?

That's one of the reasons why you think when they saw him and all of the army came in, all the soldiers came in to take him and he's like questioning them, but they bowed down before him. You know, like after he puts that ear back on that Roman soldiers is like, that's why we bowed. Because nobody can do what you just did dude.

For real. All the more proving who he was, but your heart is so hardened or you're so like, not to go back to the big C word, which is COVID, but so many people complied because of fear of losing their job. Yep. Yeah.

Knowing all the while who Jesus was and what he was capable of. And they weren't even afraid of being sick. Right. But they were afraid of not having their job. Do you not think there were Roman soldiers there going, okay, this guy is obviously the Messiah. This guy is actually what he says he is

after seeing that specifically. And also the presence of him made them fall to their knees. They had to been thinking, this guy is not just a man. There is more to this. But because of fear of losing their job and having security and you can't just walk away from it, they are like, we'll have to comply. Compliance is never good people.

It's never good no matter what it looks like. Correct. If it's not in the word of God. Do not do it. Okay, so far, ladies, wanna add anything? No, I'm good. What about you, Sarah? Yeah, Sarah, speak.

Speak. I'm reading, I'm just doing a little bit of study there. Yeah, I see you squirreling. This is what I'm gonna have to dig into because I'm interested. Yeah. I recently heard a story about, I think it was John Hagee, the pastor.

I love him. Me too. Yeah, and someone had come into his church and was standing like eight feet away from him with a gun and like six rounds and none of them hit him. Like eight feet away, even if you don't know how to wield a firearm, like you're gonna hit something from that distance. But so my thought as I'm like reading

and just kind of thinking about this is do we need to defend ourselves? Like if we're really walking in the power and the fullness of God, like what does that look like? And if someone's gonna come after us, like God will defend us, but that's also cause I'm a weakling and I wouldn't wanna fight anybody anyway. So it's true.

Well, I would say that that's, if you have the faith for that and if you know John Hagee and you've ever heard his teachings, he does. I mean, he preaches some seriously strong things. But if you don't have the faith for that, then you need a backup plan, which most people don't have the faith for it. So they need a backup plan in my opinion, because it's no different than sickness, illness and disease. Most people don't have the faith for it.

So they need to like have a backup plan. But can God work in the backup plan? Yeah, but it's not the best. I mean, in my opinion and the backup plan for most people when they're sick is the doctor. Right. And so for me, like a true backup plan is someone like Natalie, who would tell you go the holistic route,

don't go the doctor route, unless combined faith and the other and see God work. Cause your odds are very good that you'll see it that way, in my opinion. But a lot of people, but I, listen, I have had this conversation with many people, Sarah, in that people compare it to like abortion, we're not to kill.

So the death penalty, what's the difference between the death penalty and abortion? Well, you know, going back to an eye for an eye, like, where's the difference? If it's not okay to abort a child, then how is it okay to do capital punishment? But my thing is, is the innocence of the child versus the sin or the conviction

of and the penalty and punishment that you know you're gonna get as a criminal if you do these things. So I don't know, but do you wanna add anything to that? No, I just know like, for some reason, I just thought about bullies and like, my kids got bullied in school and I'll never forget like, and I was talking to the school about it

and I was like, what's going on? Like these kids are doing this to my kids and we were in communication and they weren't doing anything. So the whole like no bullying and all that, it's a bunch of garbage. Like they don't do anything. There's just a lot of paperwork if you push the bully button, blah, blah, blah. There is nothing they do. So I just told my kids, I was like, if they touch you, take them out. You just have to do it once.

That's how you deal with a bully is you. That's what David did with Goliath. So Tempest pounded, it was a boy too. She just like railed them a couple of times right in the mouth. Just gotta do it once. And then they called me and I was like, I've never been more proud. I'll be right there to get her.

Cause that kid will not mess with her anymore. So you weren't doing nothing. Exactly. She had to take matters into her own hands. Sorry. I don't know what it is. Either step up to the plate. Yeah. Or we will. Right. I don't know what it is. Either step up to the plate or we will.

I don't know what it is, but when my kids have beef, which they normally don't, but in the rare occasion that they do, I'm like, why do I now have beef with a 12 year old? Like I want to take it in my own hands. Mama bear coming out. Exactly. Oh yeah.

How about me? I'm seeing my son voluntarily go in. Oh man. And I wanna beat the crap out of the guy who both of them have voluntarily said that to beat my face up. Decided they want to, yeah. True.

But I'm still like, I want to kill that person right now. I know. Something happens in your mama brain. I know, and usually, and the guys that they're fighting, like he fights, they're nice guys. Right, right. They're really nice guys. It, and usually, and the guys that they're fighting, like he fights, they're nice guys. Right, right. They're really nice guys. It's a sport.

It's a sport. They're just doing their thing. Like, I'm gonna give you two examples. The guy that Tommy first fought, the first guy that Tommy fought, he is such a nice guy, and Tommy now fights with him. I mean, Tommy beats him up now, but he's such a great guy. The second guy that Tommy fought,

the guy wrote him in privately DMed him on Instagram and wrote him the nicest, kindest thing. I mean, like, come on. And then the third guy, the third guy was saying to Tommy, he's a Christian, don't let fighting be your thing, let God be your all. Good for him. I love that.

I know. So like, I do wanna fight him. I love that. I know. So like, I do wanna fight them and I do wanna beat them up. They're really nice people. In the moment, yeah. In the moment. I mean, really these guys that are doing this stuff, this is their sport.

Right. They're nice people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They really are good people. And even the guys that Tommy trains with and stuff, they're just, for the most part, they're just good people. But that's the difference between a bully

and somebody who is- Right, right. Bullies ain't nice. So then there's the Old Testament. David said in Psalms, Psalm 144, one, and this is the song to the Lord who preserves and prospers people. That's what the title says.

A Psalm of David, it says, blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle. I just read that today. Woohoo! That's so weird. When you just read that, I just got goosebumps all over.

I'm like, I opened my Bible right to that earlier. Woo! I love it when that happens. So I don't think, I love it when it happens. I don't think that we're to be weak. I don't think we're to be hot-headed. Right, right. Like ready to like kick some butt and take some names. I don't think that we're to be weak. I don't think we're to be hot-headed. Like ready to like kick some butt and take some names.

I don't think that. I do think we're supposed to turn the other cheek. I think that, you know, in moments where you're to take matters into your own hands and when you're to say enough's enough. But when it comes to our lives being in danger, I don't think that there's anything wrong with women and men being trained to be able to defend themselves

against a predator or somebody who's just violent. I don't think so. I don't think that we're supposed to just like allow ourselves to be taken out because I don't buy that. I don't either. I think that be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might. You're to put on the full armor of God.

So for me, if that means taking up arms, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I don't have your notes today. So I don't know if you're gonna go into it, but another thing you talked about was murder versus killing. That's one thing you said at the last podcast and the difference between those two. Go ahead.

Okay, well, just that it, like it says, you shall not murder, but murder is unlawfully killing of a human being or a fetus with malice after a forethought. So it's like actually like being premeditated as murder. Like you've thought it up, we're killing usually is in the form of like self-defense where somebody kills somebody accidentally, defends himself or prevents himself from his own murder,

person trying to prevent somebody from entering his house to commit some felony, a person preventing themselves from murdering of somebody else too, like protecting an innocent. So that was huge for me, cause I'm like, oh yeah, that like killing versus murder. Sometimes you just group them together because somebody dies, you know?

Where murder, it is intentional. Like you thought about it, you have a plan and you executed your plan. And killing is unfortunately something that happens when you're put in a situation, it's you or them. 100%. And then there's Romans 13, which is New Testament. Romans 13 says that we're to abide by the laws of the land.

Correct? Well, the laws of the land said you can self-defend. Correct? It does. It says that you're not allowed to commit murder, which you are to defend yourself if somebody's trying to kill you. So if we're to abide by the rules and the laws of the land,

then that means you can self-defend. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. It definitely sits- Which is what I think I brought up in the last podcast. Right. And there's just certain things that sit right in my spirit where I agree a lot with Sarah.

And I think that's why I never really like look too much into it is because I just trust that God's gonna protect me. Like I never really was worried about it, but now that I know like constitutional rights and things that I took for granted, like I do want to carry comfortably. Like I can now because Florida changed their their rules, but I want to be able to like practice and feel comfortable carrying so that even just showing it sometimes, like showing a lawyer's paper, like if you have a lawyer sign something, people are take things a little more

seriously. If you have a gun on you, people are gonna take things a little more seriously. I don't think I'm serious enough to carry a gun. I feel like I'd be like, blah, blah. I'm saying like, if I hold it like this, do I look cooler? Travis would come after you. Pull up the graphic that you created.

No, Sarah, you gotta join the Girls Gun Club. Yeah. The foundation church. I don't think you want me, but I'll consider it. But, but. Oh my gosh. I mean, seriously. I think it's really important for- My fan drop box. Are you scared?

I'm not scared at all. I mean, I've shot a gun before. I just feel like- How did you feel shooting it though? I scared. Were you like, this is- I think I cried the first time. Oh, that's so Vanessa. Because you felt empowered?

No, because you scared out of my mind. Oh, you were scared. Oh, I thought it was like, oh my gosh, this is awesome. I can't wait to get my own gun. And then you are like this, pooh, pooh, pooh, pooh. I was never like that. I don't have one gun in my hand.

And I was like this. Oh my gosh. It took me forever to hit the mark. Cause I'm like. You need like a shotgun or AR or something. I need something. Something big. Cause I was like literally, I was like, this is,

it's like the sea. You need to respect the sea. And when you carry a gun, you should do the same. Absolutely. And a lot of people are very haphazard with the things that they should just, with the level of respect they should have. So yeah, show this.

This is the, now that we will definitely have t-shirts. Isn't that awesome? You see that Sarah? Yeah, it's very cool. I see that. So listen, you can't get a t-shirt if you're not in the club. Yeah, there's no selling those ones.

You're gonna have to. So what do you get in the club? You just gotta go shoot once? Yeah, what's the rules? She says no. Oh no. You gotta be in the club. And what happens at the gun club?

Yeah. Except for, I think it's Drew and Travis that are teaching us, so. they're not very feminine though. Now they're not. So they might talk about it. No, we got to make them sign up. When does it start? When's the launching?

It probably April. Travis is getting me a date for the first class. Okay. BYOG, bring your own gun. They do have them. Oh, they have. Can you bring your own? You can bring your own though. They do have them. Oh, they have some. Can you bring your own? You can bring your own though, I think.

I think they're gonna allow that. I need to learn how to use my gun. What happens is there's gonna be some classes before we go out to the range and people shoot freely. If you've gotten your license and you have shot, then you can come. But you've gotten your license and you have shot, then you can come. But you've had to had to shoot relatively within a good amount of time,

because otherwise if it's been like five years plus and you haven't shot a gun, I mean, you're gonna have to talk to them, because we're going out to a range and literally, like you need to make sure that you know how to use a gun again. Right. Yeah, a little refresher.

Like I took my class like five years ago, maybe plus, I'm retaking it because how much can you remember? When did I take? It's probably been like four years. It's not like riding a bike. Well, I didn't shoot the gun, but once and the guy's like, I'm gonna let you pass. I'm like, I'm scared.

I did it with Travis and we got to shoot a lot and it was really fun. That's the problem. We didn't get to shoot a lot. So, I mean, I probably did more than most, but I was terrified. But it's like one of those things, once you get over the hurdle, you're thinking,

I wanna get very comfortable. What were you gonna say, Vanessa? Kayla wants to know what day of the week is Gun Club going to be on? It'll be on a Saturday. Yeah. Okay. Boom.

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And their business lives by Proverbs 16 3, which is commit to the Lord whatever you do and he will establish your plans. His number is 941-460-3962. Next question is very interesting. And you know, it's so funny because so many people have either been concerned that they have done this or, and they can't get saved, or they know somebody who has done this and that person's afraid they can't get saved. Let's read it.

The question is, I was reading in Mark 3, 28 through 29, and it talks about not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and that's unforgivable. My question is what exactly does that look like to blaspheme the Holy Spirit? I would truly like to know your opinion on this and I'm sure others might like to know it as well. So let's look at the scripture you gave which is Mark 3 28 through 29. I cannot tell you how many times either people have thought they blasphemed the Holy Spirit so they can't be saved or they've done the great apostasy, or excuse me,

they've great, the, the, the unpardonable sin, which is, what's the other, what's the unpardonable sin? What's that called? What's that called? I mean, is it apostasy? It's blasphemy against-hmm, mm-hmm. I mean- Is it a hosticy? It's yeah, blast me against the Holy Spirit, eternal sin. But there's two separate. Well, maybe there's not two separate.

This one says, unpartable sin, blast me against the Holy Spirit is known as the eternal sin. It's found in Matthew 12. What'd you say? Matthew 12, 31-32? I'm gonna do that one too. Yeah, that one. But there's- Maybe it's the same then. Yeah, unpartable sin is the eternal sin. Okay, well there's two, there's two ways you

can, there's two things, two, there's two ways to think about this and what it was. Okay? So Mark 3, 28 through 29, this is the unparalleled sin, which reads, and surely I say to you all sins will be forgiven the sons of men and whatever blasphemies they may utter, that he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness but is subject to eternal condemnation. Then another scripture that coincides with this is Matthew 12, 31, and 32, which is what Tracy was just saying. It says, whoever is not with me is against me and whoever does not gather with me scatters, and this is Jesus. And so I tell you every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in the age or in the age to come." So let's look, okay, so both of these scriptures, let's look at them as a whole. What was Jesus doing? Well, at that time, Jesus was specifically talking to the Pharisees, and the Pharisees

were hardened, hardened, and their hearts were hardened. They had no intention whatsoever of recognizing him and accepting him as the Messiah. But then on top of that, what did they say? They said when he was casting out a demonic spirit, they were actually saying, and this in Matthew 12, 24, which is prior to this, it says, but when the Pharisees heard this, they said, which they heard heard that he had cast out a demon, they said, it is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons that this fellow drives out demons. So what they were saying is,

we'll keep going. What they're saying is basically that Jesus, which Jesus said, you can talk about me any kind of way you want to, but you're not going to talk about the Holy Spirit any kind of way you want to. You can't. So basically they were saying that Jesus was a demon, he was demonic, and he was casting out demons. Now how in the world does that make sense? Why would a demon cast out a demon out of somebody? Good question. It makes no sense whatsoever. I just like, I sit there and I think, how in the world did people believe them

when they were saying this? Cause that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever if I'm thinking about it right now. But let's look at blasphemy. Is defined as defiant or irreverent. The term can be applied to such sins as cursing God or willfully degrading things relating to God. Okay. Blasphemy is also attributing some evil to God. So you are not going to be able to do this

because within it correlates against the Holy Spirit. You're denying that God, denying Him some good and that we should attribute to him. So I'm breaking this down on what all of this is. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit has to do with accusing Jesus Christ of being demon-possessed instead of spirit-filled. Does that make sense ladies? So the three are in one, right? God, Jesus, Holy Spirit. They all are one. So when they were saying that, when the Pharisees were accusing Jesus of being demonic himself,

they in turn were saying that the Holy Spirit is also demonic. Does that make sense, ladies? Yeah, yeah, that does. Okay. So. Oh my gosh. Phone calls.

So, unless, you know, like I remember before I got saved and I like, let's think about this. Before I got saved, I was like, I doubted whether tongues were real, even though, I mean, I walked away from, I grew up in a Pentecostal home, walked away from God and then came back to Him.

I used to say, I don't believe in tongues. Now, am I like doing the unpardonable sin? I don't think so. I think you can question it. If that's the case, then the Baptists are in big trouble. So are the Nazarenes. True, very true. Because they're not going to heaven then.

Think about this. I literally wanna free people from like themselves because a lot of people carry such a weight on themselves and think I can't go back. Like I've talked about the Holy Spirit. I don't believe that in the gifts of the Spirit and stuff like that. Kate, you're not, you're not doing what the Pharisees, you're not hard-headed.

As long as you care, you haven't done it. Literally, if you cared, then you really care about the Holy Spirit. And you think about this with Paul. Paul was totally against Jesus. Talk badly about, he killed people for believing in Jesus. And now you would say, well, that was Jesus. And Jesus said, you can say anything about me. But if you don't think that Paul crossed the lines and the things in the links that he was, he was a Pharisee among Pharisees. But that's where mercy comes in and God knows the heart of people. He knew that Paul was redeemable. Those Pharisees were not, those ones that were so far, they are not redeemable. They didn't care. They didn't, they wanted nothing to do with the Lord.

That's why mercy is there. And God knows the heart of each and every individual. But again I go back to, well Nazarenes don't believe in the gifts. The Baptists don't believe in the gifts. There's a lot of other denominations I could name for you that don't believe in gifts of the Holy Spirit. But even though they say that the gifts are demonic, because they even say that gifts are demonic, I don't believe for a second that you're not going to see Baptists in heaven. Right. Right. Because I don't believe for a second that you're not gonna see Baptists in heaven. Cause I don't believe they're blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I don't.

I think that they don't have an understanding, but they're not rejecting Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God themselves. Pharisees were rejecting the whole entire thing and piling on. Does that make sense, girls? Yeah. thing and piling on. Does that make sense girls? Yeah. So I think that for me, John 3.36 says it best when it says, whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will

not see life, for God's wrath remains on them. And most people who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ know that the Holy Spirit is real and know that God is real. To the degree in which they believe the Holy Spirit operates in their life is completely different, but they don't not believe in Him. And they would never say that the Holy Spirit is demonically possessed. Does that make sense? They may think that tongues are demonic,

but they don't think the Holy Spirit is demonic. Does that make sense? They may think that tongues are demonic, but they don't think the Holy Spirit is demonic. Does that make sense? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They think what we do, we're demonically, right? Right. That that's demonic on us, but they don't think the Holy Spirit is demonic. They do not attribute that. They believe that tongues were real, but for, uh, at the time of Pentecost, not that tongues were demonic at the time of Pentecost. They just don't believe they're real today. Yep, exactly. I'm trying to cover all bases.

Yeah, that's very clear. How does one look at all that? I'm trying to think, how can I cover all these bases because there's so much to it and I got a minute 33. Yeah, no, that's, that was very good. How would you guys add to this? I don't know. I would have to say that I'm concerned about myself.

Right, of course. And I'm not concerned about myself. Me either. I'm not concerned that I said, I don't believe in tongues. I don't believe that. I think people are doing that on their, you know, and I don't think that that was blasphemy. Right.

I think Pastor Tom puts it so simple where he says, if you're concerned about doing the impartial sin, you're not doing the impartial sin, because like there are, it's weird to think when you're a believer, but there are people that don't care about the Holy Spirit and have no problem mocking the Holy Spirit and Jesus and God.

Even just saying that like makes me uncomfortable, but it's true. And so it feels so foreign for us. We must feel like it's like we could be close enough. And if you grew up like Vanessa and I, where we felt like any moment we were gonna be left behind because we didn't do good enough, you know, like it's even easier for us to be like, are we good?

Okay, so that's funny that you bring that up. I never felt like that. Yeah. I never felt like that. Yeah. I never felt like that. Always. Yeah, it all depends on like the church you go to and how much it's drilled into you. Yeah, or your dad telling you that like.

Or your dad, right? I mean, my dad told me I might not get, I mean, if God came back and I was into Rick Springfield, I might not make it. I mean, would God go in there? I'm like, well, I'm in there, so probably. I love that. I remember I was in there? I'm like, well, I'm in there, so probably. I love that. I remember I was 12 and my pastor was like,

all right, it's time to get baptized because if Jesus comes tomorrow, you're going to hell if you're not baptized. And I was like, well, let's get baptized. Let's fill the tub. Come on, let's go. I did not feel like that. But I remember as a teen,

or maybe even younger than that, like reading that and thinking, can I? Me too. And be like stuck in sin forever. And I remember that feeling of just like, oh my gosh, I can't, I would never. And I was just so like fearful that I would like,

Say the wrong thing. Say the wrong thing or not know it. Right, exactly. For sure. But the way that or not know it. Exactly. Yeah, for sure. But the way that you just explained it, it makes so much sense. And here's the thing, like the unpardonable sin, part of the unpardonable sin is you have to look at the Jewish people.

The Jewish people came, got saved, and they, and when I've said this before, but they were totally ostracized. They were totally removed from their families, from their means of income, from the life that they knew, they could no longer go into the synagogue. And in order to get back, they had to totally reject and deny Jesus was the Messiah.

And they had to like, I mean, it was complete. Like that does not exist, that that's also a part of it. So to the lengths that, listen, if people who are in witchcraft and Satanism can come and be saved, and they are, then you haven't gone to the great lengths that this is talking about. Again, if you want it and you care, then you haven't gone to the great lengths that this is talking about. Again, if you want it and

you care, then you haven't done it. These people did not want anything to do with Jesus. They wanted no relationship with him. They wanted nothing to do with the Holy Spirit, definitely nothing to do with God. They had turned their backs and would say and do anything. And so they'd gone too far. So, but if you care, you haven't gone too far. That's just it. I wish I can go back to like younger Vanessa and like hug her.

Like you're okay, girl. It's okay. You're gonna make it. Yeah, because that's not like healthy. Jesus loves you. I mean, like I thought, but then I was like, well, I guess like I'm going to do the best I can. And I guess if it's not good enough, then I don't know.

Like I don't know what else to do. So I just didn't really care enough, which is probably not good either. I cared way too much. Well, when I was 10, I grew up and like no dresses, no makeup, no cutting your hair. But 10, I mean, after 10, we moved to DC and got to work. I'll help wear everything.

I'll help work those. Oh man. Exactly. Not kidding. I'm not really, I mean, it wasn't until I turned 18, actually 19, that I was like, Woo! See ya! Woo!

Hmm. Potty over here. Yeah, but before that, I was like, I can't do that. But I never was afraid. I was just more like, I'm not doing that, sorry. But I was very strong and no, I can't do that. But I never was afraid. I was just more like, I'm not doing that, sorry. But I was very strong in, no, I can't date you. You do drugs, you get high every day. You're good looking as I'll get out,

but no, thank you, I want nothing. I mean, I literally was able to be like, no, you're not for me. Or like, no, I don't cuss while I'm Christian. I didn't have any problems with any of that. And I still, like, if I failed or faltered somewhere, I was not afraid I wasn't going to heaven. I didn't get baptized until I was 16.

Cause I was like, I'm doing it when I feel like I should do it and I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. I never thought I wasn't going to heaven if I didn't. I got baptized at 12. How people can justify that. I know that the word tells us where to be saved and baptized. But the thing is, is how they can tell people

that they're going to hell. Because again, I always go back to the thief on the cross. Exactly. And then they say it's the exception. Exactly. Which is like maddening. I did later on and get baptized again. Like when you have a better understanding.

My free will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was good. That was good. Good move on your part. Tracy, I mean Tracy, Sarah, you're diligently working over there. What would you like to add? Because I know you want to add something.

So really, everything that I Found in my very quick Delving into the Greek and all of that. It's basically rejecting The work of the cross. It's like if you if you don't Right receive Jesus that's unforgivable That's the unforgivable sin is your you're blaspheming the work that he came to do. So it's not about saying the wrong words or living, you know, being in sin and then saying, oh, I, I repent and I turn from it. And so I think it's simpler than it's.

It's a complete rejection, which is what. One of the studies, if you study it out of like blaspheming the Holy Spirit, and I love this because Pastor Rodney was talking about this too, Perry Stone talks about this as well, but it is basically what you're saying Sarah, in a little bit more detail is specifically talking about what they were doing is they were saying that the Holy Spirit was demonic, like Jesus was demonic, the Elzebub in that scripture. But it goes deeper than that,

which is what you're saying, Sarah, and I agree with you, which is what I was saying, complete rejection of Jesus himself and what he did for you. And we saw, it's specifically seen back in the time when people came to know the Lord, receive him as Lord and Savior. And because life getting tough for them

and being totally ostracized and it's like, like there's different, what is that? Scientology is one of them that if you say, Like there's different, what is that? Scientology is one of them. That if you say, I don't believe in Scientology anymore, they totally take you out, removed, and you could have nothing to do with your family, can't even talk to you anymore.

So you have nothing. The whole witness is also that way. And the Amish too. The Amish is like that, exactly. Yeah. Totally ostracized. The Amish is very that, exactly. Yeah, totally ostracized. The Amish is very much like that. Mennonites are a little bit easier.

Yeah. They don't do, they're a little bit more permissive, but the Mennonites also allow electricity. True. Right. So they're a little bit different. But so because of that, they couldn't handle it. They could not handle being completely removed from all that they know,

especially when it's your income. Now you have no means of income. So life got rough and they were like, I had it better. Just like the Israelites wanted to go back to Egypt, even though it was rough. They had freedom, didn't know the freedom and wanted to go back to slavery because things got tough. This was no different than that for them.

They received complete freedom in Christ and because things got tough, they went back to the synagogue, back to the Jewish laws. And in order to do that, literally in order to do that, you had to denounce everything. And when you did that, that was the unforgettable sin, which is basically what Sarah's saying. Denying everything that was done on the cross for you, through the gift of God, through the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ. So, I hope that helps.

Something interesting is that when it says, but when the Pharisees heard this, they said this man cast out demons only by Beelzebub. But in the next verse it says, and knowing their thoughts. Yes, I know. Jesus, yeah, like they didn't even say it out loud. Jesus was just like. Just knew it.

Okay, so here's the deal. Yeah, exactly. I hear what you're thinking. So, and that's what's so funny is people don't, even to this day, I like when they pray and they pray one way, you don't think God knows that you don't mean what you're saying? If he could do that, like, read your word.

He already knew what people were thinking before they even said it. You don't think that he knows when you're praying you're full of crap? Be honest. Just be honest about everything. Yeah, true. Everything.

Because he already knows. You're not fooling anybody. Nope. Not even him. You're fooling yourself, that's about it. You're only fooling you. That's true. Nobody else.

Because pretty much they're gonna find you out anyway. Yeah, and so in the live chat, Anne Marie said, I thought of that, if people don't believe in tongues, are they denying God? Or she said, are they destroyed of lack of knowledge? But I think this is what you were talking about,

it's not that they don't believe in tongues usually, they think it was for the yesteryear, like back in the day. They're not really denying God or his power. They're just saying like, this is demonic because it ended with the disciples. So that's what she was kind of saying earlier, which I think is a great division

between not denying God. They're saying these people are crazy. Yeah, they just think they're brainwashed on emotionalism and, or demon possessed. Yeah. I mean, until you experience it and then you're like, I know, I know. Yeah, I know.

It's a whole different thing. It is. But also is that a Bible verse that it was just for, you know, the time. Is that a Bible verse? No. You know, for a specific time. Cause it clearly says in the word until he returns.

Yeah, I know. And so like God's word is super clear. I mean, you would think. I feel like if people really truly love God and are like seeking him, like eventually, the, you know, like you will know the truth. Yeah. And so when people don't, when people are still like,

oh, well, I love Jesus, but I, you know, this part of the Bible, well, he is the word. So you're not receiving the entire word. So how about that? How about that? It's so true though. How about that? It's so true.

And you can tell, you can tell when somebody has like a- From the beginning to the end. Yeah. That's one of the things I was talking about on Dare to Be. I wanted to make it clear, like from the very beginning, He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a-

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He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- He has like a- And the coolest thing for me is like finding Jesus in the Old Testament. Like we're built, we just finished the Tabernacle. We just built the Tabernacle. And just like the like scarlet and the purple and the gold, it all represents like,

and it point it's foreshadows Jesus to come. And it's just like, it makes me like, yeah. And people read through all of that so quickly because they find it so boring. But like Sarah said, there's so much symbolism. But it's even beyond the symbolism. If you look, like even in the Levitical law and things like that, you sit there and go,

this is so boring. It's not, because if you look at God is into the specifics, into every detail. And there's a reason why I literally remember going, Lord, why, why is this so like from even like arc of the covenant when he built that, like the tent, when he told the Israelites how to build just the tent. Like it's, and I'm like, what?

And because he's like, because I'm into the specifics. And if you look at like the rule, the political law, and it's so specific, it was protection for my people. I wanted to make sure that they knew, that there was, and then there's no excuse. If you do this, it was written out. I repeated it.

It was for their protection. And it's like, God, you love us so much. Down to the detail. And the tabernacle, that's where God's presence stayed. Like, of course it's gonna be the most beautiful. And it's, and of course it's going to have the most detail. And then I was like, Lord, like give me revelation on that. And he's, he, he, he showed me like God's presence now lives inside of us.

And now we should also have that, that attention to detail and take care of this temple where God's presence lives in. But also thinking about that too, which when people think that he doesn't care, he cares down to a littlest thing. Let me tell you every detail about you. And he's also bougie. He's a diva. So this is coming from the bougie. He likes to get the nice thing.

I know he does. He's not cheap. He's not cheap. No, he's not cheap. He's not. And we were. I know, he does. He's not cheap. He's not cheap. No, he's not cheap.

He's not. And we were, you know, the thing is, is every, like if you think about how miraculous it is for someone to even get pregnant. True. Down to the detail. I mean, it's a miracle. That whole process is miraculous. But it's a miracle. That whole process is miraculous. But it's miraculous.

But what I was thinking about that is that's bougie. Cause how he made us and how like we're perfect. We are perfect and wonderfully made. But we are perfect. Like everything is like excellent. Right. Everything about us is done in excellence. Yeah.

And so I just sit there and go, God bless it, man. I know. It's pretty crazy. But we were bought with the greatest price. If you think about that even too, like the greatest price that was ever, we were bought with that. Yep. Yep.

And that was expensive. Yep. He was expensive. He was the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and royalty. It's crazy. So every time people don't know their identity, I know that's a archy term, but every time you don't know who you are, you need to think about who you are in him and what that price was paid for you.

So you must be worth something. Changes everything. You have to know your value. Never let somebody sell you short of who you are and how much and how worthy you are. Yeah. Figure it out. Yeah.

Because they're worth a lot. Amen. Even if others don't know your value, know who you are. That's one thing I will say, like, maybe some of us, maybe some of us haven't come to terms with all of that, but for the most part, when you understand who you are in Christ and how important you are, you will learn to not allow anyone or anything to say something about

you because you know it's not true. And then you walk, you can be a person that goes, you know what, I like me. In fact, I like me a lot. I wouldn't ever want to be anybody else because then you understand how important you are and what great detail the Lord put into making you. So for that, that's worth a lot. Amen. Amen.

Never let anybody learn who you are so nobody has anything, any authority over you. And you can just reject everything that people say and do towards you or about you. Amen? Amen. All right, we will see you on Sunday. Thanks for joining us.

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