The Hope Hotline - What is Grace and What Grace Is Not | Part Two

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

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Hello and welcome to the Hope Hotline. As you can tell, it's very cold. That's the reason why we're all in sweaters and jackets. But after today. I know. Just one more day, guys. One more day. I like disappear with my sweater.

I know. Black on black. Oh my gosh. Do you have somewhere to be after this? Negative. Okay, so what's up with the top? The top looks really cute. Oh, thanks.

I have my Abide shirt. It's just a T-shirt. Oh, it's a T-shirt. It looks like something else. Oh, look at here. My abide t-shirt and then my sweater because it's absolutely. It's absolutely freezing. And we have the heat on.

And we have to have the heat on because it's like 32 degrees in here. Not really. My hands are so cold. I know. So are mine. Oh my gosh. We are not made for the cold. We are not.

But I've been watching on different platforms, social media platforms where people that are from up north. Yeah. And that have moved down here, say legitimately that this cold is when we get into the 20s and 30s, it's way worse than like Pittsburgh. It is. Ohio and what was the other one? The other one was Ohio and it was somewhere else, but it wasn't like Pennsylvania, Michigan or something like that. I don't know.

But they were literally saying it's way colder here. It's different. That's what they say. It is. Because of the dampness is what everybody is saying. Right. And when it's like 37 degrees out, like it's very rare that you'd walk out without a jacket on because it's like it's wintertime. So you'd like have your jacket by the door.

You grab your mitt. Yeah. So you're just like you're always prepared. You always wear your boots. We're like, we just go outside and flip-flops because that's where we know. Not this girl. I know. I've never done that.

I don't care where I've lived. Oh my gosh. Never. Do you have your jacket right now? Vanessa does. She has her wool jacket on. Well, I have boots on though. Yeah.

I'm cold. Like I have boots and shoes like water boots. Water boots. Like if there's water. Just in case? Waterproof. Well, they have rubber on them. Okay.

Okay. Now she's going to take a picture on my boots. Don't take a picture on my own. Oh my gosh. Please take a picture of them. But they're great because like if there's puddles and all that other nonsense out there. Right. My feet ain't getting wet. Yeah. And you got to keep your feet dry. And warm. And warm. And your head. And your head. Yeah. Because it'll escape. Yep. You know what else is really good for you when it's the wintertime is the sun. Amen, sister. The sun is good for you. Especially when you're not feeling. and good. Right. Yeah. Truth. Big time. Why is that? Why is the sun so good for you? Yeah. Is that vitamin? Isn't it vitamin D? Vitamin D. Yeah. It's vitamin D and back, I can't remember when, but doctors, they called it heliotherapy. They would put their patients out in the sun because the UV light was like antibacterial or antimicrobial. Yeah. Isn't it interesting during COVID they told us to stay inside? Yeah. Very interesting because they know.

Like don't go to the beach. Don't go outside. Yeah. Stay inside. So you stay sick. It is. Tom swears by that. Tom lives by that. Like if you're, if you don't feel good. Yeah. Go and sit in the sun or take a walk. He's big on walking anyway. But he's like, sweat it out. Be in the sun. Pray over yourself. Most importantly, like he's, you know, there are certain things fleshly we can do. Yeah. And then you add the spiritual to him and you will not stay sick. Right. And he's a big salt guy too. He's a big salt guy. Yeah, gargling that salt. Or if you have anything, like if you have a rash or something, go to the ocean. Go to the water. He's like, he's big on like, we've never, our family's never been a person that runs to the doctor or like, uh, takes medication.

That's really what I'm talking about. I mean, we have Natalie, so we ask Natalie, like people ask when they know a cop, they'll ask them a lot of different cop questions. Like, it's always interesting.

We'll always ask Natalie different stuff, but like we don't, we didn't, we've never, up until we had Natalie, we never went to the doctor ever. Right. But we have her,

so at our beck and call. So we're always like, what, what's this? And so I, Lots of times, not lots of times, but there are times I'm asking for other people. Yeah. Because they should hire her, but they don't.

Right. And sometimes it's nice to have, if you have a strong, if you're strong in your faith and you're going to God first, sometimes it's nice to just know, okay, it's just a, you know, a tickle in your throat. It's like, like some people overthink things. So sometimes when you have more information, it is helpful to know those things. But you have to be very careful. That's a very gray area too. Well, people become hypochondriacs. Exactly.

So if you tend to lean that way, we've talked about them in the past. Yeah, don't talk to her then. Yeah. If you're a hypochondriac. Stay focused on God. Stay away from that. But you know what? I tried, like, because back in the day, I'd have, like, allergies and stuff like that.

So I would try allergy medication and it never worked for me. So, like, after trying medication and then asking doctors, like, oh, there's nothing you can do for that. Then I was just like, I give up. Like, why am I wasting my time, taking time out of my day to get an appointment, to go. So at some point, I just got so. sick of trying the world's way. And I just let myself heal. And I always heal. You know what? I prayed. I used to get, I used to, um, I didn't have allergies. Your body

changes every seven years, right? True. And so I never had any allergy issues until I moved back down here. Okay. And then I mean, it was years after I moved back down here. But then like two times a year my body would try and have like deal to deal with allergies and so I was like not I'm not doing this no I've never done this before I'm not doing this I didn't even know it was allergies I thought I was getting sick but I'm like I don't feel sick right so like what is the deal with this so I just operated off and I don't deal with it anymore but it has tried to come back yeah it has tried it's a lie liar it's a lie it is a liar right but yeah don't like if you can like I mean, obviously, if it's something serious and you don't have the faith for it,

then seek out somebody who can, like, seek a doctor out or a nurse or whatever that can help you out. This is what we do at Abide. If you get into a situation that you have like a tickle in your throat, like go to God first, go to him, try to get that one, like that little tickle in your throat. Once you can get that one. like Pastor Tom says it too. Like once you can get that and it goes away, it's like, oh my gosh, it works. And then if you have more than that, let's say like you have a breathing issue and you're

starting to feel panicked and you like you need help. Like your faith isn't there. You've prayed. You've done the things. Call Tara 9-1-1. Give her a chance. And then she will be, she's like our 911. She's not really.

But she will pray and she'll battle with you. And then if you still don't like, then you like it goes away or it doesn't go away. Then fine. Then go where you need to go. But like at least try to just give God a chance. Yeah, go to somebody you know who has faith. And I'm begging you, please. Please, because we even have them in this church.

Please don't go to somebody who believes God can do it, but he might not. Right. Please. Yeah. No. At that point, just go to the world route. Because you're not going to get anything. Right.

It says clearly in James. And listen, I would love to tell you that our church is all the same mind set on this, but some people haven't arrived on it. True. So because they haven't arrived on that, that's what they believe, even though they say God's word doesn't say. Yeah, God's word absolutely, study it out for yourself. It absolutely says every single time.

They are wrong. They are wrong. So I'm begging and pleading of you. Please don't let somebody be in agreement with you for prayer that you'll receive healing that believes that it might not happen to. because you're you're going to get nothing. I mean, it really does matter. It does matter.

Come to me, go to Tracy, Vanessa, Taya. Like, go to people who actually believe that when they lay hands on you, you're going to be healed. Go to my husband. Go to Tara. There are plenty of us in this church that will lay hands on you and believe with you. I don't ever have anybody stand in agreement with me when I'm, laying hands on other people.

I literally will not. I am very careful who I asked to have pray with me for things. When I'm for myself or for other people that I am like, they've asked me to pray. And I'm like, okay, we're going to get some hands laid on you. I never ask certain people because I know. They're not there yet. Doesn't mean they won't be though.

It just means they're not there yet. And until they are, they're not praying with me. I may love you dearly. But you ain't praying with me. You can be a great person going to heaven, solid believer, but you're missing in in the faith thing. It's all good. Jesus kicked people out. Peter kicked people out.

You know, so if we're going to follow what Jesus did, which he is a great person to follow, then it's okay. It's okay to have that discernment in the moment. And be picky. Yeah, who to be picky with, exactly. Yep. percent so totally sun sun salt salt orange juice orange juice try those things yeah and then obviously always prayer to stay binding and loosing right all the time don't don't don't settle don't settle for the tickle in your throat don't settle for a hang nail like start with these little ones right yep god made

the sun for a reason he did so use it god made orange juice for a reason for a reason So drink them. Like all these things were made for us for specific reasons. They're not your crutch. Just use them. And then stand in faith for show. Go ahead, girls. Amen.

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I'm sure it is freezing in New York. So I hope you stay warm up there. I don't think you have any break anytime soon. So I'm sorry about that. We actually have something to look forward to very soon. Tomorrow. Yeah, literally tomorrow. So we are, yeah, we're counting down the hours at this point.

You guys are counting down the hours until the time changes. So it will be. And the groundhog. Oh, he did. It's shadow. So we have six more weeks. Oh, it did? It did.

It did. Have you guys ever seen the movie Groundhog Day? Yes. That's a good one. I've already watched it this year. Have you? I actually haven't watched it in a while. I should have a 2D.

Is that a 2D appropriate movie? I don't know. I can't remember. I know. I mean, it's not horrible. Right. I don't think there's... She'll get bored.

Yeah, I think she will be completely bored. Because she likes the groundhog situation. Yeah, but there's really not much of him. I know, I know. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Quick thought. Bored.

Yeah, anyways. So, yeah, Rumble. Hi, guys. And then the audio podcast will be available later on today. So if you like just listening, then that's always an option for you guys. We are on TikTok. So these are all of our different screen names. Our YouTube or our TikTok names, so you can find us all over there.

And like we always say, we're writing that algorithm right now. We got Natalie coming at the end of the month. She will be here February 25th. So you got plenty of time to send in your questions. I already have two in the back of my head. Actually, we have a bunch that we didn't get to last time. So I'm going to pull those back up. and then I've got a couple more coming in that somebody asked oh no no we did get to that one so yeah

I have a few that we didn't get to last time and then a couple more that have popped up so it'll be another really good episode just a lot of random stuff that it's always good to kind of know have a gauge on like like even with like stuff going on in the world like it's good to like kind of understand what's going on we don't have to go super deep but we can have like an overarching understanding of like what is going on out there in the world you know so yeah so she'll be here so if you have a specific question. You can put it in the chat today. I'm always paying attention. And then you can always email us. Ask Hope at Hopehotline.com. If you send it over there, I'll see it before she comes and make sure I get it to her. And oh, I forgot these two too. Also, Pastor Thomas on TikTok, he's got his TLP clips. If you don't know, he has a podcast Monday through Friday, talks about all this stuff going on in the world. So that's a great, great podcast to tune into. And then if you are on

TikTok, you can find these little clips that, you know, kind of give you a rundown of what, what he's been talking about. And then you can go watch the full version or pick it up that night if you, if it's the daytime, he'll be back on in the evening. And then we also have our worship team on there as well. So you can find them on there. Like and share. It's really helpful if you actually share, either copy the link or actually repost or if you

save it. Right now, that's a huge help for us on the algorithm. So if you do see our stuff and you can do that for us, that would be super helpful. And I do have our video. Do you want me to play that? please let's see this thing all right so we've got our dare to be coming up so we hope to see you there and this is our little video dare to be is a night set apart for women who want more than routine faith it's a space to reset your heart renew your thinking and step forward with intention

come February 20th 7 to 930 p.m invite a friend and come ready for what God wants to do in you All right. So yeah, Dare to be. I'm going to pull up this. Dare to Be is going to be here on February 20th. You said Thursday night. So I had to cut that out because it will be a Friday night. So they didn't hear it because I cut it. She's looking at me scared. Yeah. So yeah. What was I thinking? I think it was on your screen. I think you did it last time too. Because when I listened to it, I was like Thursday. Is it Thursday? No, it's not. It's definitely Friday. Because I'm thinking I'm probably beloved. Oh, maybe. let's see. I'm going to go, where's our little thing? Because I can say it. Yeah, February, okay, there we go. February 20th, 7 to 9.30 p.m. And like I always say, if you have somebody in your heart that you've been thinking about wanting to invite them to church, ladies only, please invite them to this. It's such a great opportunity. It doesn't feel overwhelming. It's just a bunch of ladies getting together.

There's a great time of worship. And like I said, it doesn't feel overwhelming coming into a bigger building like this. And then once they come in the doors once, they'll probably feel more open to coming back on Sunday. And it's only a couple days away. So they'll come Friday and then they come Sunday. And you can finally get them in the door if it's somebody you've been praying for and, you know, wanting to invite. So this will be an awesome opportunity for them. Amen. That's right, girl.

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Like for me, I think there's been such an abuse in the grace movement. I mean, it's been very abusive in the compromise and acceptance of sin or sinning acceptance, not abstaining from sin. Does that make sense? I just confused myself. I mean, would you guys agree? 100%. Why? Why are they doing this?

Because it's not working. It's not working. It's not working. People are leaving the churches. They're not either growing or people aren't staying loyal to them. And then the ones that are strong are looking for stronger churches and the pastors know that. So like why are we still doing this? Because I think it's like that.

Seekersensitive movement. That Seekersensitive movement, Jesus never operated in it, but it puts butts in seats. So what is that when you say that? Seeker Sensitive. Yeah. Seeker Sensitive was Bill Heibel. Okay. From, look him up.

I can't remember what he's out west. He actually repented of this. It's the Seekersensitive movement that he created, really. Secret Sensitive is where you go into church and it's like putting a frog in cool water, not cold water, cool water, introducing them Christianity through a very slow process without ever offending, without ever really telling what it means to be a believer. So that as they walk in, they're like, oh, I like this. this sounds good these people are good people so it makes you a good person

it doesn't make you a saved person and you grow all the while nobody's knowing learning that they are sin and you can't do it that Jesus there's only one way and he's it like there's

no offense and what happens is you start out seekers they have one service that's secret sensitive and then once you grow past that you go to the next level and they have another service for people who are saved but most people will want to stay in the seeker sensitive because it's more comfortable right for their lifestyle right grace is the same way i mean one of my favorite teachers Andrew Womack who preaches big on grace that's what that's what caris is all about is grace but even he has said that that

they've taken, like he used to be the only one who would preach on grace. And he used to get a lot of flack for it, he said. A lot of flack. And the very people who gave him flack are now teaching grace, but they're giving it as a license to send. Right, right, right. And he's like, that's not what I, that's not my grace. Right.

But I say, are you sure about that? Right. Are you sure about that? Because, like, he doesn't say sin is sin. He says it opens the door to the devil. And that's not what the Bible says. Like, the Bible is clear about sin. It is beyond dangerous.

And, like, the grace of today is basically permission to sin, which grace is not permission to sin. Right. Right. Not at all. But it will cause people, like you said, If you preach, did you look up Bill Highball? Yeah.

What was his church called? Willow something, I think. Willow Creek Community Church. Yeah, Willow Creek. I knew it was Willow something. I cannot remember what it was. And where was that? Oklahoma or something like that?

Ellen, let's see. I'll have to look that up because I didn't say at the top. But he's since repeated, repented of it. And he said, I basically grew a church and no one was saved. Illinois. Yeah. Illinois. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. My church. no one was saved in it. And me and Tom used to be like, we would talk about it. We were like, that is so dangerous. Like what people do not understand, and I want to make this very, very clear.

Like what you do in the pulpit matters. You're going to be held accountable, big time, what you preach and what you teach. Okay, so you may not call yourself a pastor. You may call yourself a teacher. teacher, you're still going to be held accountable. That's the way it is. Yeah.

And he knew it. Like he knew. Like, that was bad what he was doing. That's the reason why he repented of it. Because I am sure he knew that scripture. And he was like, I don't want to go to heaven answering for this. So at least he is a person of integrity. Good for him.

Yeah. I know. Like, holy moly. But there's a lot of pastors or not. And I would even dare say, like, I mean, people who are, I mean, it's stuff that you and I know about, and it's kind of like a prerequisite for anybody who teaches here at the church. Are hub leaders and stuff like that?

We don't let just anybody be a hub leader. They're just not allowed. It's not allowed. Is every hub leader perfect? No. But I will tell you this. Like, they're going to preach and teach what we believe. Right.

and if they don't, then they don't teach here. Right, right. But, because we don't want to be held accountable for it. That's one of the reasons why. Tom and I, like, we are not going to be held accountable for what somebody does under our supervision. But our hub leaders, like, they know. Like, you may have a Bible study, but you are shepherding. then. You are now a shepherd. Right. To a group of people, you will answer to God for what you say

and what you don't say. What you teach and what you don't teach. You better make sure it's biblical. And if it's your opinion, you better say, I believe it's this. I don't really have a scripture that backs it up, but I believe it because of this. And then if you're wrong, you better do what he did, which is, oopsie, Daisy. Make it right. You have to. You have to. You have. You have. You. You have. You to. You have to. Like even if you like my mom had my mom doesn't right now but my mom had a Bible study outside of the church. It wasn't under the umbrella of the church or whatever. But and there's lots of churches including this one that has people like doing Bible studies outside of their church. Well like the pastor's not accountable for that. I'm grateful or not because some of these Bible studies that have gone on in our church have not been good. So they wouldn't have never gotten a platform here. So that's why they went and tried to take people from our church and create their own platform.

I'm fine with that. I don't care. A lot of those are meeting anyway anymore. Huh? A lot of those Bible studies don't meet anymore. I don't think. Oh, the ones that created a hot mess? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, really? But the ones that, like, seriously, if even like these churches, the churches need, I mean, I think, I don't know if we've done it. So maybe I'll just do it right now. But if our people who are having Bible studies outside of the four corners or the four walls of this church, I mean, we're not accountable for what you say or you don't say. But you are. Yeah. So you better make sure that you're teaching something biblical. otherwise, you're going to answer to God for it.

Like the people that you are, it's a big deal to speak into people's lives. I don't think people realize how like responsible they are. Right, because it's become such a normalized thing. Like everybody's doing it on TikTok. Like as soon as our youth kids get excited and like on fire, all of a sudden they want to go on TikTok and tell everybody everything. And I'm like, okay, but be careful because like whatever you put out there, like every idle word you were held accountable for. And so I think we just, like, people just forget.

That or they don't know the Bible well enough to know. True. That you're going to answer to God for it. Whether you know it or you don't know it, you're going to answer to God because if you lead someone astray or you teach them something that's not biblical and it holds them back, you're going to be held accountable for it. Right. If you teach something that, like, there's churches that don't believe in the the gifts of the spirit. And it is clear in the word that they are present today. Like, what's going to happen to those pastors?

Because the Bible says, do not add or subtract to his word. So it's like, that's a big deal. But it's a big deal for people who are leading Bible studies, even if you believe like we do and you believe in the gifts, but you're eliminating certain things. And it is clear in the word

that it is, you better study it out and make sure you know what you're saying is actual factual. because I wouldn't want to answer to God. No. I would not. It's a big deal to speak into people's lives, to lead a ministry, whether that be a ministry just in your home.

So many people want to do Bible studies because they feel like they have a voice and it needs to be heard. And I get that. But make sure you're not a novice and you're speaking way too soon. Yeah, I know. Because you'll be held accountable for that. Yeah. True. And in my experience, like, healthy things grow.

And a lot of times a lot of those types of Bible studies in groups, they kind of fizzle over time because there's no root. Yeah. They kind of just like die away. Yeah. Or the foundation was that, was that like, well, I have a voice. Like, Vanessa and I never wanted to do abide. Like that was never the plan. Like, it was that I saw somebody doing something and God was like, well, what about you?

Like, why are you not doing something? And I was like, no, I've done the Bible studies. Like, I've done the women's group. I read the books. We've done the videos. I don't want to do that. And he's like, you have a different group of women now. And I'm like, yeah.

Okay. Okay. And then like she had a need or she felt a need as well and then God opened up the door for us. But for us, like if it was just me and her and one other person, that was enough. You know, we weren't looking to like be this like on this pedestal and have all, like have this huge group. Like when she said, healthy things grow. So if you aren't seeing growth, like I would really check your heart. Why are you doing it?

Are you doing it because you like that people come to you or do you like it because the title that like all the like the stuff that doesn't matter that's going to get burn up anyways like none of that matters um and if you don't care about that one that showed up and you're like only one person showed up like why are you doing it right like why are you doing it so yeah i mean uh i always like i always for people who are always pining and always just ready to pounce and do and i'm always questionable about whether or not they really understand all that it entails. Like they just can't wait to, I mean, I look at Norma, who just started her young girls, young women's hub.

And I remember telling Norma when she was like, I don't know, 21, 22 or something like that I'm like, I think someday you're gonna, you're probably gonna speak or you're gonna do, she was like, nope, never, nope. That's because God hadn't prepared her heart for it. And then it's only been in the last year and a half that, or maybe two years or whatever, like I think that the Lord was really working on her and making it be appealing to her. it wasn't something like she was like I gotta do this I'm like I it's very much I never was planning on doing it either like it was never something that I it just happened yeah it just happened and I think it's super

important when it just happened I think of Moses where he's literally in front of the burning bush he's like choose somebody else right please because he understood the task at hand yeah right and it intimidated him and it scared him. To a certain extent, in his own might, he knew it was virtually impossible. Right. And that's where I think that I think there's just so many people that are like, put me in, coach.

Right. And you're like, you know. They romanticize it. They see like the good part of it, but they don't see the persecution that comes. Or the amount of work. And the amount of work. Right.

Right. Yeah. Behind the scenes. Yeah. Yeah. Not the hour. on Sunday stage, you know? Yeah, it's true.

Yeah. Even if you do a Bible study, because I remember when I've done Bible studies, like I did Bible studies for years here at the church, it was hours and hours and hours of work. I mean, it's not like, to do it right, like, it's just not like, it's not that simple. Right. Mom dropped the verse, James 3-1. Not many should become teachers, my brothers, because you, know that we will receive a stricter judgment.

Yeah. She always went by this when she was teaching. That's the one I was thinking of. Right. And I don't really think it's one thing to be in a group setting and somebody's just giving their opinion, but they're just a participant. Right. It's another.

And the other thing is, is like, you have to be able to, which you guys understand and know, like, if you have a group, if you have a group and you're over that group and someone start speaking and teaching something that's not biblical, you better know your word so you know that's not biblical. Yeah. So you can stop it. Right. Because you're responsible for that too. And people don't even think about that. I'm like, or if a conversation goes in the direction that it's not supposed to, we've encountered that. Yeah, you've got to be able to say, okay, this is gossip or this is slander, or this is not how we operate in this, in this ministry or in this Bible study. this conversation stops uncomfortable air and oxygen sucked out of the room trust me no very well

but you got to be able to do that right or somebody wants to take over the study and have it be their study and you got to be able to say you got a five-minute limit or right at two minutes yeah okay goes on a rant you got to be able to shut it down yeah immediately because that stuff grows like cancer. Right. If it doesn't. And it offends and people will leave. But you got to be able to handle that. And that's an example. Like once you do shut that down, how you do it, if you're like, oh, can you just give us like, like if you're not confident in it, then the next person's going to do it. So you do have to handle it like very sternly, very quickly because otherwise there'll be more opportunities. But when you do handle it well, it doesn't happen as much. And then you set the

expectation. Exactly. That's what I was trying to say. Thank you. Yeah. Literally. It's so true. But it's more than just talking. It's more than just speaking. It's more than just sharing your thoughts. I mean, it's a whole thing. So you got to, like, you got to be able to do it. Right. And there's a specific reason why Jesus, or the word, I should say, Paul specifically said, Paul specifically said this, do not let a novice teach or preach. because he clearly said it will destroy them. Yeah. And it will. And a lot of times people will think you're holding them back.

I can't tell you how many times people have wanted me to allow them to preach or speak or have something to say here at the church. And I'm like, you're not ready. Or they wanted a hub here at the church. And they got offended or they got bothered. Most get bothered and they'll leave. and then you'll hit one every now and then they'll be like you know what there's probably some truth to what you're saying yeah and they'll receive it and they'll be grateful that you're saving them and then they go on and they do great things because there's always a time and a place and you've got to

just wait for that time and place don't god will open the door he absolutely will if you're supposed to preach and speak right if you do your part and the preparation part the door is going to open right it's inevitable yeah but you can't like pine for you. You can't like, I think of Bailey. Like Bailey's known like something was going to happen. Yeah. She just didn't know. She's waited a really long time. And look at me. It just happened out of the blue how it happened. Completely out of the blue. The door was open for her. And I don't know if she would have been ready beforehand. Like, because she's so sweet. She's so nice. Do you know what I'm saying? But now she's got like the,

like boldness. She does. Whereas before, she didn't have that boldness. Everybody's got to like, everybody's got their thing, but it's just, but make sure, this is, we always do these side little thingies, but this one is super important. Just make sure that whatever you're, don't be a bill, high ball, that you have to repent because you've like literally raised up.

You've disciples nobody. Right. You just, and you saved no one. Yeah. You've won a lot of people who are compromised, and they believe that the word and they believe Christianity is where you fit God in your box, not you fit or fit in his box. Right.

And a lot of people, if it's not convenient to their lifestyle, it can't be God or they're going to leave God out on this, and they're going to still do this. That's not, that is not it, because it's not, that's not how it works. What were you going to say? Did you want to say something? No.

Yeah, I just, I don't understand like the thought process even on like how does that even make sense in your brain and then, you know, do it for as long as you have. Good thing is he probably examined the fruit and he didn't like the fruit. That's what I was thinking too. Like it's got to be so empty because right now like I have so much fruit in my life from the people that I've disciples, like, they're coming to me and telling me things. And I'm like, oh my gosh, what? And they're telling me another testimony. And I'm like, it is building me up so much. I can't imagine doing this as long as we have and having no testimonies, no fruit,

people falling away. Like, it's got to be so empty to not to just be like lukewarm as a pastor. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Because this like builds me up. Like it makes me want to go out and make more disciples. It makes me want to invest more in people because like, man, this is changing their lives. And they've only been a Christian for like six months, two years, three years. Like, you know what I mean? It's just, oh yeah. I don't know. It's radical. I mean, it is truly amazing when you can, but it's also heartbreaking when you see lives radically changed and then they get sucked back by the world. True. Yeah. Which happens. Which happens. I think like Tom used to be so torn up over it as far as he would be like, because he understands like,

eternity is eternity, right? And so you're going one place or the other, and it's eternal. So, but Tom would be like, man, they were just, they were going for it. They had, they gave up everything and they had such a great life. They walked away from their old and they had such a great life. They were prospering. They were winning. They were like victory after victory.

And then whatever it is, guy, girl, family. money, sports, whatever it is, has pulled them away and you just sit there and go, man, Satan's cunning. And that's heart-wrenching when you've seen somebody radically transform their lives. It's super exciting while it's happening. It's super exciting to see people's fruit. I know that you played a part in it. Right, right, exactly. Which is so nice.

And then to never see it, I don't know. Well, the thing is, is the Bible says, you know, like, you'll know them by their fruit. The fruit is, like, your lifestyle. But you should be winning and discipling believers. I mean, our job is to win the loss and disciple believers. You'll have, you should have a trail. Yep. You should have some influence.

If you don't, you're doing it wrong. I mean, you literally should have names. of people that you have participated in either winning them to the Lord or planting the seed for them. So when the harvest comes, they're part of the harvest. I mean, you need to have planted seed along the way. I don't even think people are doing that. Like you don't necessarily have to be the one to do the sinner's prayer,

but you should have planted some kind of seed in people's lives so that they do. Like I remember this. I remember this Tom had this guy that he worked with He was one of He was higher up than him I don't want to say what he was

Because then people might figure out who I'm talking about But he had someone in the sheriff's office Who was higher up than him And he had witnessed and witnessed And witness to this guy He had planted so much seed And talked about the Lord with this guy That

And this guy was like the farthest thing from being saved. I mean, he was like, he's bad. He's like womanizer, drinker, partier. Like, he's bad. But Tom gets out of the sheriff's office. I think he got, I think he, I think it was after he left or shortly before he left.

And this guy left before him. And just before he, moved away something happened he gets saved Tom and him don't even barely talk anymore because life has taken him in different directions I don't think they're both at the

department anymore and this guy reaches out to Tom and says hey listen I wanted you know that I gave my life to the Lord and you're the reason why wow that's so cool and Tom's like what he's like yeah I cannot I cannot forget

I said he said I said I I said the sinner's prayer. And it's because of all the things you shared with me while we were at the sheriff's office together. I'm just telling you, you may not be the one to be there when they say the sinner's prayer. But you could be part of the reason that they do. Right. Like, so plant the seed, man. Amen.

Life, like, life has purpose. And it matters. And people's eternity really matters. So we need to be about it. But Romans 6 1 through 2 says, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more grace? And Paul said, of course not. And it's got an exclamation point after that.

So grace is not permission to continue to sin. It's actually opposite of that. Grace, if you've received it and you've received it correctly through the blood of Jesus, you do 180-degree turn and you go the opposite of sin and you go straight to obedience and holiness. you are like him. There's this mentality of come as you are.

Yeah. But that's not what the Bible says. I don't see that anywhere in scripture, come as you are. Have you ever seen that? No. No. But it sounds good.

Yeah. I mean, it's like I've never, my ear thingy is driving me crazy. I have never seen that in scripture, come as you are, but it allows people to come. and stay and think that they're saved without any, any requirements of change? I looked it up. It's not in the Bible. Did you ask chat? No, I actually, I actually Googled it because I

don't have chat on this computer. But the concept of, come as you are, if understood correctly, is biblical. The precise phrase, come as you are, is not found in scripture. So it's not in the scripture at all. It says that you can... It's like when people say, you know, Jesus, hung out with sinners. Right. Right. Right. Oh, man. So I can go to the bar and witness. I'm not even, yeah, no, no, okay. Okay. Yeah. It kind of is the same concept. Yeah. Matthew 1128 says, come unto me all that are labored and heavy laden. And I will give you rest. That's the closest. Yeah, but that's a Christian. Thank you. Yes. That's to the Christian, not to the. There it is. Yeah. It's not. But it sounds good.

Come as you are. And let's say, okay, let's just entertain this for a little bit. You come, right? You're a sinner. I'm a sinner. And I need to be forgiven. I come as I am to a Savior. And then I surrender.

And I don't stay as I am. Because you surrendered. I change. It's like when Jesus, you know, stepped in when they were going to stone the adulterous woman. You know, he tells everyone. there. He who is without sin throw the first stone and everybody walked away. But then he immediately tells the woman get up and sin no more. Right. You know what I mean? Like he caused us higher every single time. He doesn't just want, he doesn't want us to like stay where we're at. Right. Even Peter

walking on the water. Like he did it and then he took his eyes off Jesus and then he sank and Jesus wasn't like, it's okay. You tried. He was like, why did you doubt? Right. Exactly. You were doing it. You know what I mean? Like he even rebuked him and he would lovingly got him back up but like he he did rebuke him he said why would you doubt and so yeah i yeah like well because with correction there comes change true and without correction there is no change yeah so it's not possible and for me i would just say like the the way that i think of grace grace covers your weaknesses Like if you struggle with sin, grace covers that weakness. But grace does not cover rebellion.

It doesn't cover a rebellious, a rebellious person that wants to say, yeah, I'm saved, but only where it fits my life. If you're struggling with sin, yes, grace covers that. does not cover a heart that is rebellious to obedience. It just doesn't. And there will be consequences. Even grace, with grace, there's consequences. Cause and effect.

Like, if you do something just because it's like any kind of thing. Like, if you gossip, you're going to reap what you sow. If that person finds out you gossiped about them, what are you going to do? lie, now you're sinning. And if you confess, and they still know you're lying, because somehow like, you might as well just admit to it. But now there's a consequence

because of the gossip, there's a trust issue now. If you lie to somebody, people aren't going to trust you. They know you lie. That's the reason why they're asking you, because the odds are something's telling them or they have evidence of the Why? There's a cause of that. You're going to reap what you so. The word is very clear on this. There are consequences for all of our actions. Grace isn't going to cover those consequences.

Doesn't happen. Galatian 6, 7, 3 says you will always harvest what you plant. Boom. True. Boom. Listen to me. You will always harvest what you plant. Best be sure about that. People in the world call that karma. What else do they call it? Yeah, that's it. Karma.

Yeah, what goes around comes around. There we go. That's the other one. I knew there's like two things. There might be a third, but what goes around comes around and karma. Even the people of the world realize that that happens. But we, you reap what you sow or you harvest what you plant. It's going to happen.

Let me give you some examples. I love these examples. I asked chat GPT, give me some really good examples of what people, like, biblically speaking, off of Galatians 6, 7 through 8, what would those things be?

And they were good. All right. I mean, they're good. I believe it. I love it. It says a spouse who plants patience listening and kindness usually harvest trust and togetherness. So you can harvest and plant good things, which is true grace.

Or sin. That wasn't sin. That was good things. That's okay. That's not good. Someone who constantly plants sarcasm, criticism, or emotional distance eventually harvests broken communication or resentment. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. This is what the... I love it. You what? This is the clapping, like, yes. Yeah. With the Gen Z. Yeah.

Did somebody just clap? I'm like, mm-hmm. That was good. Oh my gosh. That was good. It's not me. It's chat. But I agree, chat.

Chat is cooking. Eating it up. So good. Like, when I saw these, I was like, Dag, they're good. Because it's true. It is true. I could have said it better myself.

So someone who constantly plants sarcasm. People think that sarcasm is good and healthy. It is not. I mean, I live in a sarcastic family. We are, but there are places we will not go with each other. Right, right, right. Yeah, and you got to check your fruit. And certain people don't like sarcasm.

I don't like it. I mean, let me say this. I don't tease people because I think the teasing can go too far. So I tend, like I'll joke around, but I won't go very far with it. Because I think it can be, there's always an element of truth to every joke. So you better make sure. True. And my tolerance is different every single day.

So if you tease me today, I can take it. You tease me right before my cycle. True. Might not happen. You might cry. I might either that or you might see another side of me. That's true. The feral side.

It's like, yeah, but it's like for me, like, I'll, like, when I, I'll give you an example. When I teased you about how much weight you've lost, I'm like, bum, bapana. But at the same time, like, it's not really the bumbanana. It's the, holy crap, look at you. Right. That's, like, you got to, like, not be mean. and I think people are mean with their sarcasm or they're teasing when you really should be rejoicing and celebrating

I mean that's what I that I can think of that right now because you were saying we teased you are that how you get teased but but it is true because that's a great example you can either tear somebody down because you weren't tiny no for a lot of I've known you when you were not tiny still beautiful. I mean, you're very blessed. Face card was always on point.

Like, you can get away with being a bigger girl and still be really pretty. Most people can't. Like Tom, that face, squinny eyes. It's not happening. He does not look good. And he'll be the first one to tell you. Some people can't get away with being a heavy person. You can.

But, like, look at, I mean, seriously, night and day. True. No, it's right. And it's, like, if anybody's had to lose weight, they understand, like, what you've accomplished is miraculous. It really is. Like, I literally saw the Dare to Be video and I'm like, you are so fat. I'm like, thanks, Tracy for making me fat. But, but, like, I'm telling you, I used to be way fatter.

Like, but I used to be way fatter. Be mad at Talia. And at least I look like that. You were that much bigger for like a second. I know. And the thing is, like, she was like 90 pounds for almost her whole life. For whole whole life. If you're the opposite.

It's over 150. Yeah, but you're like a second. Right. Like a blink. Literally. More than that, girls. But thank you. But still.

But I now, I now know, like, well, how hard is it, how hard it is to lose weight. It is so. Slipping hard to be consistent. Mm-hmm. So that's like a huge feat for you. Yeah. Because you lost almost a person. I did.

lose a person a per like a small Asian. How much did you lose 50 pounds? Didn't you lose 50 pounds? No total. Yes. Almost 80. Yeah, that's like a small Asian like a small Asian literally. That's like what's the violin? Holy moly that's way more than I even thought. That's way more than I thought. Yeah. Yeah. 80 pounds is very significant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was like 50. Well, way to go. Thank you all. But that's what I'm talking about. Like, there's always an element of truth to every joke.

Make sure the joke isn't going to destroy somebody. Right. Like, especially if you love people, like, love the person. Because you're sending mixed messages. It's not cool. That's true. Yeah. The next one is parents who plant time, consistency, and presence often harvests

security and connection with their kids. Oh, I like that one. And it is so true. Yeah. And when you plant time, like, what it said is consistency and presence. Let's make sure that the consistency and presence, like, I was mean as a snake with my kids sometimes. I like to almost kill them a few times. But at the same time, there was a lot of sweet, loving, laughing.

Like, I made up for it. But it could have been way nicer. I could have been way nicer. So let's make sure, don't do as I say. Do as I say, not as I did. And the presence is important, especially now with, like, phones and stuff. Like, when you, like, are with your kids, like, make, like, if you could watch yourself, like, if I could come in, because I'm a videographer, if I can come in and, like, video you,

and you had to watch back what that day look like, and your kids come up to you and they're asking a question and you're looking at your phone, you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, if you had to watch yourself respond that way, you might change it. So, like, just be aware. If your kids come in, like, look at them. Like look at their eyes, like put your phone down for a second and like actually pay attention to them, especially when they're little. Like they don't, you know what I mean?

And so. Thank God there were no phones really back in my day. Yeah. I know. Well, and it is as part of our life now. So you just, there is that healthy balance and what you reap you so. So if you're doing that, understand like when your kid won't look up from their iPad, why? Like, where is the level of like respect?

Are you showing them the same? And I don't know. I just, yeah, I think it's, I think that presence thing is really important. now because a lot of people don't feel. There was a song back in the 70s called Cats in the Cradle. And it is a great song about- Can we play that one today? Can we play that one today?

Cats in the Cradle. Name that tune. Yeah. I don't know. The verse goes, Cats in the Cradle and the Silver Spoon. The little boy blew it and the man in the moon. When you come in home, Dad, I don't know when, but we'll be together soon. And what it basically tells the story of the father.

always putting off his son. And then when he grows older, he wants time with his son. And his son responds to him and like the way he had been raised. And you do. It's heartbreaking. Yeah, it's a. But we see it played all the time. I mean, I know tons of people that don't have relationships with their dad

because their dads didn't have relationships with them when they were younger. You know, and all of a sudden they get older and they realize, like, I don't want to mess out on the grandkids. And it's like, you reap what you saw. wasted time. Yeah, you do. You reap what you sell big time. So they're all like,

I'm grateful that I still have my family together, but it's unusual to be in my situation. Very unusual. Yeah. And I'm grateful for it. Not in the Hispanic community. That's true. Yeah, that's true.

That's true because there's a lot of. Yeah, it's very, and even back in the day it wasn't uncommon. And even like the Asian, I think a lot of culture. live like this, right? But white, white culture does not. Except the white people.

Yeah, I know. You guys. We're unusual. We should be Hispanic. Actually, I'm going to take it on right now. We're Hispanic. I'm Puerto Rican. I mean, we've been connected for how long.

That's true. All right. I'm rubbing shoulders with you. But, like, most families don't get that. And I'm grateful that I have what I have. Because usually 18, they go because they're going to college. Absolutely.

And then you don't get it back. I mean, oh my gosh. I know. Remember, it's not infinite. It's finite. Right. So do as much as you can and the time of which you have it.

Right. Super important. The next one is people who plant gossip shouldn't be surprised when relationships fracture. That is true. Oh. I wrote it in here. This isn't complicated.

This is not complicated. It's not. Nobody should be surprised at these. Nobody thinks about it. Right. Right. Nobody should be surprised by this. Like all of these, everybody's like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Thank you for putting vocabulary to this. It's so true. It is true. A believer who plants, a believer who plants prayer, worship.

I know this is mine. Okay. Hope. Oh. Original. Hope original. A believer who plants prayer, worship. Well, it's the four. essentials. And the word, minus fellowship. A believer who plants prayer, worship, and the word, harvest spiritual discernment, receives and sees healings, walks in peace and obedience. Yes. There is no way you can be disobedient when you're spending time in prayer, worship, and the word. Because you'll be so convicted, you would literally have to turn your back on it. Be hot or cold for the lukewarm, I'll spew out of my mouth. You would know I can't be lukewarm.

If you're in the word, you know it's not possible on a daily. It's uncomfortable to sin when you have the Holy Spirit living inside of you. And worshiping, like, if you're doing all those things daily, it is not possible. I know. You stay busy doing God things. Like, it's just, there's no time to gossip and be, what, it was the first thing you said, that word critical. That critical spirit. Like when you're worshiping and you're thanking God and just like reflecting on how good God's been,

how can you be critical? The two can't coexist. Yeah. They can't. So. It won't work. Right. Leaders who plant honor, clarity, and integrity, harvest loyalty and trust.

Yes. That is true. Yes. One of the things Pastor Tom said is that when he would go to those seminars and they were so boring, he would still not get distracted. because he wouldn't, like, I don't, was it even phones back then? Yes. Okay.

So he wouldn't go on his phone. He wouldn't, like, do anything that was taking his attention away from the speaker because he knew that what he sowed, he was going to reap. You know, I think about that often. Me too. That one, that was a revelation for me. Yeah, I actually think about that often. Me too.

It's like, what do I expect? Right. I should also give that to other people. And if you want people to go to, like, if you ever want to do a Bible study, this is one thing I love about Serum. Say it. Say it. Yeah.

Preach. I love this about Sarum. Like, Sarah goes to pretty much everything. Yes. And our heart is so good behind everything that she does. Yes. Yes.

It's so pure and it's so, like, enthusiastic for others. You will hear me say it very often. Everyone wants a village, but nobody wants to be. a villager okay if you if you want to if you want to feel supported and if you want to you know people to attend the things that you that are important to you are you doing the same right are you showing up for people right are you inconveniencing yourself sometimes for people be a villager yep like how much do you invest in other people's lives right how much you invest in your church do you show do you show do you show

show up for people. Do you make a meal for someone? Yeah. Do you inconvenience yourself for other people? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Do you go the distance? Exactly. It does matter. It does matter. Those who plant discipline, planning, and generosity, harvest stability over time. And that is 100%. I thought I could teach people how to have a stable life. Be disciplined. Plan for crying out loud. plan and be generous. Yeah, that, that. Yeah, when you start like holding on too tight to things, resources, your time, all that stuff, like God's like, I can't even use you.

Nor do you want to use them. Well, yeah. You can't, but you don't want to either. Right. Yeah, for sure. Because everything's on that person's terms. It doesn't work. And it's usually spontaneous, which I know you're spontaneous, Vanessa.

But not the same spontaneous that I'm talking about. So people know that I say she's spontaneous, but she's a planner. Like she's not like willy-nilly and stuff. Like if it's done, it's done well. It's not like, if you ever go to any event at her house, she didn't just throw it together. It's been something that's been thought out. Now, is she spontaneous in other things, like her bangs? Yeah.

She's going to cut those suckers, lickety split, and you won't even know, like, gong hair to, Short. You never know. But I'm just saying there are things in life that you can't be spontaneous with. There is planning and it's important. Like when people truly believe like when Jesus did the last supper and he told the two disciples to go to the house to the man that had this or go to the house when he was going to do the triumphal entry, go to the house that had the donkey and the baby, they think that that all just was like prophetic. It was not. Those things were set up beforehand. He had them already put in place, and those people already knew about it. That didn't, oh, okay. It doesn't work like that. Even Jesus planned things. Those who plant impulsive spending and avoidance harvest stress and lack.

True. And people wonder why. You can't plant debt and expect peace. You can't. Someone who plants honesty and private harvest, credibility, someone who plants honesty in private harvest credibility in public. And that is true.

We're seeing a big problem with that right now. A person who repeatedly plants compromise will eventually harvest consequences. And you will. That is true. It will come calling. You will be exposed. That's the truth.

And people, this is my last thing I'm going to say. This is what drives me. bananas. I have other stuff, but I'm going to leave it at this because we're three minutes over. This is something that people say, I highlighted it because this is, I'm telling you right now, this drives me bonkers. People will often say, God is punishing me. In some cases, yes, you are being punished. But just off of this list we just read, is God punishing you or are you receiving what you planted. True.

It's not always God. Sometimes you're just making bad decisions. Most of the time, it's not God. God or your poor choices. Your terrible choices that you keep making over and over and over and over again. I don't even know how many times I have said this. Yes. Like God, Satan can't think of all the things that you do to yourself.

He sits there and goes, man, that was a good idea. Wish I would have thought of that. Exactly. You do it to yourself. And then you want to blame either the devil or God for it. It's you. I know. It's you.

This is probably the first church I've actually heard people like make you take responsibility for it. Like I knew that. I knew it was me. But nobody ever says it. They're always like, yeah, the devil is coming to kill, stealing, destroy. The devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil. And I'm like, yeah, but I think that was my choice. Like I think that's stupid.

The reason that backfired was because of me. Like, the devil didn't make me make that choice. Like, I thought it was a good idea. It was the man in the mirror. It's, yeah, Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, but it's true. No, that drives me nuts.

That's a good point. So when things get planted, something's going to harvest itself. Make sure what you plan in the ground is good. Because if it's not, then something else is coming up, and you probably aren't going to want to what it is. But remember, you planted it. Okay. And Grace, yeah, it will cover a multitude of sense.

but not a lifestyle of sin. Correct. And there is the difference. Yep. Struggling with sin and a lifestyle of sin. Two different things. Two different things. And God knows which one you mean

when you say, Lord, I repent, forgive me. He knows whether you plan to do it again or if your heart is pure before him and you have no intentions of ever repeating that again and you are truly sorrowful for what you did. He knows. He knows how to read the heart. heart. He knows if you're full of crap or not. So let's not be full of crap. I mean, that's

pretty easy. I mean, yeah, they'll be full of crap. Just, you know, do what is right in his eyes. And just know, you're fooling nobody. A lot of times you think, and you might be able to fool those around you. Most of the time you're not, though, just so you know, you're not fooling anybody around you. especially when the harvest comes. Okay. But you're definitely never fooling God. Correct. Never.

And just remember, wherever you go, the Holy Spirit goes as well. So make sure that you're okay with where you're taking him and in what you're doing. And that will solve you. That will solve you from. being disobedient. From living a lifestyle of sin. Right. From what grace is and what grace is not.

You'll know what it's not. Because if you always remember, wherever I go, he goes with me. That's it. Word. Word. Word to your mother. Exactly. That's a Gen X term. I know it.

I know it. I know it. As a lot of you. How do you know it? I don't know. I know that one. I know this. I know all the things.

I'm in every generation. True. I'm every woman. I'm every woman. Can we play that song today too? Yes, get it. I wish I could. It'll sound raspy.

It'll sound like, oh, yeah. I'm every woman. Yeah, raspy. Sounds kind of sexy. See? I know. All right, people. Okay.

Thanks for joining us. I feel like this is so high. Thanks for joining us this week. I don't know what. next week we're going to talk about. I'm sure it'd be good. I'm excited for whatever it is. You never know.

Never know. Never know with us. Just be ready. Be ready. Be here on Sunday online, live streaming, or in person. It's going to be a beautiful day. And Super Bowl Sunday. Oh.

Okay. Did you remember that, girls? Nope. Totally forgot. Do you got watch the Super Bowl? Isn't it the Patriots playing? Yes. Patriots and.

I think Seahawks. That's right, girl. I'll be cheering my pants on, even though I don't watch them anymore at all. But I'll be cheering them on. Bainwagon. There you go, girl. What Super Bowl halftime show are you watching? That's what I was going to ask you.

Is there two for real? There's two. T.P. USA and then they're regular. You know what I'm not doing? It's watching either. Right, either. Because even a T. T.T.T.U.S.A. Turning Point USA.

It's not great either. No, it's not. How is that happening? Because they bought. time and they're going to do their own. Different channel. Yeah. You would have to tune into like TVN.

But it's not in the stadium. No. Right. Okay. I'm like going to like two different times. It's kid rock. I heard it. But I love kid rock.

Okay. I'll watch it. But I don't know how I feel about turning point right now. So you got to figure that part out. I don't know if I want to help them. Same. With ratings. Okay.

Same. I'll watch it on tech. Are you the same? You're the same. Same. I don't know. Something ain't right. Something don't smell right.

Something don't look right. My discernment is like my spidey senses. Or is it your conspiracy senses? Those are hand in hand. I mean, after everything that's come out, is anything a conspiracy? I've been right about everything. Is anything? Is anything wrong?

Okay. Anyways, see you guys on Sunday. It's all questionable. Yeah, see you Sunday. We're 10 minutes over. Bye. Thank you.