The Hope Hotline - What Is True Intimacy?

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

The Hope Hotline | S03-E09 | 02-05-2025...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 real talk real talk real talk real talk Hello and welcome to the Hope Hotline. I got a hot mess over there going on right now. No, definitely not. We got a full hot mess as well. Full peanut gallery over here.
Starting point is 00:00:39 When they decide to come back, they decide to come back hard and fast. Exactly. Oh my gosh. I don't even know if there's enough room over there for all of them listen we're in here plenty of room yep we're in here oh my word we gave sarah the white chair so we don't lose her in the back oh my gosh that's true because somehow some way she always gets blocked out by vanessa's hair. And this is like, that's true. That's true. It does help that it's,
Starting point is 00:01:10 don't get me going. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is a bad one. Don't get me laughing. Okay.
Starting point is 00:01:15 Well, and we're talking about intimacy as the first question. So God only knows that song. God only knows. Get it girl. God only knows. Yes. I hate that song god only knows get it girl god only knows yes i hate that song actually yeah pretty vibrato in that oh good thank you very much that i sounded pretty bad leave it to sarah to compliment exactly who likes that song i don't like i don't even know who sings
Starting point is 00:01:41 that song but i don't like that country country sings that song, but I don't like that song. Virginian Country. Virginian Country sings that song. Yeah, but was it their song to begin with? Yeah, it was. It was. Yeah. Not a fan. I mean, now that I've said I don't like it, does that make you guys not want to say you like it? Is that positive or bad?
Starting point is 00:01:56 Do you like it? That was one of my favorite songs, and now I feel terrible. I'm joking. I have no idea what song it is. She doesn't listen to Christian music. I don't. I only listen to Norma. That's it.
Starting point is 00:02:08 They have other good songs I like, but I never liked that one. I never listened to Christian worship. I mean, I listen to worship. Worship, yes. I don't listen to Christian music at all. I only listen to the stuff I write as signs. I literally listen to instrumental now. I literally.
Starting point is 00:02:24 Instrumental. Instrumental, yes. yes oh I love instrumental instrumental but I don't listen to Christian music because first of all you have to listen to the DJs usually and they are terrible yeah they are the cheesiest things you have ever heard in your life right or they're unbiblical so that drives me crazy mostly unbiblical you're You're right. Like Joy FM, you can have it. They are so unbiblical. Mom, what was that song we hated about? What is it? Something about teardrops and pain. Remember?
Starting point is 00:02:51 Do you remember that song? You're like, I freaking hate this song. The girl sang it. Even your healing comes to return. Oh, yes. Oh, I don't know that one. I do remember that one. I don't know the lyrics.
Starting point is 00:03:04 You're like, this song freaking sucks. Well, I don't know if I. I do remember that one. I don't know the lyrics. You're like, this song freaking sucks. Well, I don't know if I was that harsh, but it was probably. I probably was like, it's so unbiblical. It probably was. It is unbiblical. I'm looking it up. Thank you. I know this song.
Starting point is 00:03:17 I can hear it. I just rejogged all of it. Anything that makes God less of who he is and less of who we are, I don't like it. If it ain't... Oh my gosh, please. Coming from somebody... Beautiful the mess we are. Wasn't that Amy Grant?
Starting point is 00:03:34 Was it? I don't know. She came out with one too that was just completely unbiblical. Better than a hallelujah, I swear. Sorry. No, that's okay. But this is right after she left her husband and he left his wife.
Starting point is 00:03:56 I just saw them in an interview trying to justify that whole entire thing. I was like, guys, are you kidding me? Why don't you just say, you know what? We were wrong. Right. But no, validating why they did what they did and liking each other while they were in marital relationships for years i was i'm like guys are you kidding me that's the problem that we have today yes people saying there are christians telling people that they're Christians, and they're not Christians at all.
Starting point is 00:04:27 Narrow is the way. It says that for a reason. Why? Correct. Because a lot of people think they are on the narrow way, and they are on the broad path. Because that narrow way has been conjured up to however they feel like what narrow is. But if you look up what that actually means, the the narrow way it's a path that very few people have walked on it's that narrow yep it's like oh my gosh i found it what is it it's called blessings
Starting point is 00:04:54 by laura hold on story laura daigle let me tell you these lyrics are freaking retarded and i do And I do like her and I like her voice. Oh, I do. But I don't like that song. It's not good spiritually speaking. And it's not... Please don't serenade me with this.
Starting point is 00:05:28 I was thinking about it like a year ago. I remember hearing that song and being like, Oh, yeah. Right. It's true. It's true. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:05:39 And then you hear it. Then you hear it in a different light. You're like, Whoa, hold up. Wait a minute. There you go like, whoa, hold up. Wait a minute. There you go. A renewed mind.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Hold up. Wait a minute. That's right. A renewed mind will change everything. It really does. It's frightening. So, okay. So you can see we have a full house.
Starting point is 00:06:00 It's nice. It's sweet. I love it. I know. It's fun. I love a full house. But sometimes it's just not meant to be And Sarah, really quick How's things going?
Starting point is 00:06:11 You're busting tail right now Yes, I am Running the race as though to win it Fighting the good fight of faith Amen Oh my gosh, doing ministry Still doing You're still leading your ministries that you were before. Nothing's changed.
Starting point is 00:06:30 It's just now you're trying to kick, kick two businesses off and kill it. Yeah. Which speaks volumes and sometimes priority. So we'll take you when we can get you. You're still part of the team. Thanks. I needed you guys today. So we're always here for you. We're here for you. I miss my girls. I needed you guys today. We're always here for you.
Starting point is 00:06:46 We're here for you. I miss my girls. Norma's never here either. I'm here for you, Sarah. Don't roll your eyes at me. I mean, I'm your mother. Oh, sorry. I'm your mother.
Starting point is 00:07:02 I'm here for you, Sarah. I'm your mother. I here for you Sarah I'm your mother I love you I love you Alright do your thing Tracy and then we're going to get into the first question Which should be kind of interesting Yeah absolutely Alright so if you're on Facebook
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Starting point is 00:11:09 God only knows. God only knows. God only knows. God only knows. I said that and I went, I said, in my head I went,
Starting point is 00:11:16 I should have flipping sang that song. Now it's in your head. I will, I won't, I think I say God only knows a lot now. Do you?
Starting point is 00:11:25 Yeah, a lot in the podcast. That's not good because now I hate that. Yeah. Plus, we have the mind of Christ. So if God knows. True. We only know. Hallelujah.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Amen. There you go. That right there. And we'll see you next time. Have a great night. Mic drop. Yeah, that's true.entine's should be interesting yes a little lovey-dovey a little hey what what yeah a little shmick shmack
Starting point is 00:11:56 a little bit of that a little bit of this i A little bit of this. I finally fixed it. You're welcome, everybody. You never know. It could get a little high and splashy up in here. It will. But it's Valentine's Day, so it's allowed. Yeah, we got to talk about what we got to talk about.
Starting point is 00:12:20 It is what it is. One of the last times we got a little hot and bothered is all because of Sarah. Sarah's question to my husband, which took us down a long, dark road. I didn't know if it was actually out that that was my question, but now we all know. No, no, no. I think you even commented on the comments. That was an anonymous. Yeah, I think it was you commented in the comment section.
Starting point is 00:12:48 I think I even said, I got to get to Sarah's question. Oh, my gosh. You would. That was a good one. We don't have to rehash it. Go back and find the old episode, guys, if you want to. It's an interesting one. Go watch all of the episodes until rehash it. Go back and find the old episode, guys, if you want to. It's an interesting one. Go watch all of the episodes until you find it.
Starting point is 00:13:08 Took us down a dark road with Tom Lively. That's a hint. Yeah, it's right. So the first question is, what is intimacy in a marriage? I think my spouse and I have a different understanding of what that is. Yeah, okay. Welcome to every marital marriage. Everybody, that's normal.
Starting point is 00:13:31 I mean, I don't think I know of any couple unless one of them is a nymph is really thinking it's the same. Truth? Fair. I wouldn't know. No, you two are not going to know. You're probably going to be very limited in UNTAL. Please limit your response
Starting point is 00:13:53 because you don't know. Either one of you know anything. We have great knowledge on this. We've experienced it together. I'll express my opinions. You've experienced intimacy together. Yes. Dear Lord.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Dear Lord. God only knows. God only knows God only knows truly my gosh see for like women if this is a woman then ask this question a woman is wanting intimacy through conversation, through helps. There were lots of different things, like watching a husband play with the kids. Like that's very intimate for women. Like that's, I mean, for me, I don't want to see a man cleaning squat.
Starting point is 00:14:37 That's a turnoff for me. Huh? Yeah. Talia's agreeing with you. I agree. Talia's like, ew. If I were to see my husband pushing a vacuum I might throw up
Starting point is 00:14:49 Or gag violently I don't like that It's very interesting It's not a Tracy feels otherwise I don't like that's interesting guys I'm neutral on that If he makes a mess,
Starting point is 00:15:05 he can clean it up. It's not gonna, I'm not gonna be like, ooh, somebody's getting lucky tonight. If Tom was to spill something on the floor and didn't bend down and pick it up,
Starting point is 00:15:12 I'd be like, well, that's a little rude. Yeah. You mean like purposely going out of his way to clean. I don't wanna see, I don't wanna come home
Starting point is 00:15:21 and see my husband vacuuming the floor. In an apron. I don't wanna do that. Not even in an, no apron, no nothing. What if it was only an apron, though? Oh, okay. I don't want to come home and see my husband vacuuming the floor. I don't want to do that. Not even in a, no apron, no nothing. What if it was only an apron?
Starting point is 00:15:28 Oh, okay. That's interesting. True. That makes it a little bit more interesting. It does. Oh, Tara said cleaning the barn hot.
Starting point is 00:15:46 Oh, 100%. That's very manly. That's more manly. That's more manly. Oh, 100%. You want to come to mopping and scrubbing a toilet? Like when I go outside and I see Tom like sweating, working in the yard or whatever, I'm like, hello.
Starting point is 00:16:00 But if I was to see him sweating on his hands and knees, scrubbing the floor, I'd be like, hey, lady, get up. Oh, my gosh. You broad. Didn't Adalis call Jonathan gay? Yes, yes, just recently. Yes, she did. It is.
Starting point is 00:16:19 It would seem like a little too feminine for me. It does everything opposite for me. Some women, though, the more feminine, the more they like it. I, on the other hand, do not. I do not like seeing my husband doing what I qualify as feminine. I don't want to see him doing that. That's my job. Like we have, he has his, I have mine.
Starting point is 00:16:45 We stay in our lanes and it doesn't cross. Like for me, that would ruin intimacy if I saw him doing woman work. Some women are not. But what I think, we get a great example of what true intimacy is, is in the word with our relationship with the Lord. So whatever that looks like, that's where it starts. And then we build on to there what the carnal intimacy is. Does that make sense, ladies?
Starting point is 00:17:16 Yeah. So when you think of like, when we talk about intimacy with the Lord, like you guys are all smart. Like what does that encapsulate for you as far as intimacy with the Lord and that relationship where it would cross over into a marriage, a husband-wife relationship?
Starting point is 00:17:40 Putting him first. Yeah. Like having him be the first thing in the morning that you go to? That's a really good one. Yeah. Absolutely. I immediately thought of my mornings where I, like, sit in my special, like, chair. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:54 I have a special chair now, guys. She does. Look at you go. And I, like, set the ambiance. I'll put, like, instrumental music in the background, and I'll grab my Bible and my highlighters and my notepads and literally spend my morning with him. So that's that's immediately what popped into my head when you when you ask that question. Intimate time and conversation and learning each other.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Like tunnel vision, like no distraction. Like he is my focus in that very moment. And I think a lot of times in marriages, like putting each other first, that's not what happens. Okay. So like what Sarah said, putting him first. In most marriages, the husband and wife relationship is put on the back burner a lot of times
Starting point is 00:18:44 in front of kids specifically but um i find that i see husbands and wives when it when the kids are not in that spot maybe they're at school or whatever or maybe it's the weekend what takes the spot of the kid or kids if they're um not in that spot is a hobby, something that that person enjoys doing. And oftentimes it's not something that the other person is doing with them. They'll go out with their buddies or the girls will go out with their girlfriends and then they meet back up that night, get the kids ready for bed.
Starting point is 00:19:23 And if you're lucky, you have maybe an hour of time in between commercials and TV to really have a conversation. That's dangerous. And people wonder why we fell out of love, we grew apart. It's because you guys were never priority. And that's where I think if we liken marital intimacy to what the Word of God is, then as much as you have a successful relationship with the Lord, which is your first love, then you'll have a successful marriage if you follow this pattern as well. So Sarah's first one is keeping that person first.
Starting point is 00:19:59 That is, I agree 100%. Next one, Vanessa, so good, is spending time. You spend time in the Word. You spend time studying the Word. Prayer time. So that's conversation, right? Having time of conversation, making that be top priority. But what you said was so good because you're studying the Word,
Starting point is 00:20:23 which means you're studying the word, which means you're studying him. How many of us actually take time to study our husbands or our wives, our spouses, what their likes, what their dislikes are? Learning to be obedient to their likes and their dislikes, not triggering,
Starting point is 00:20:40 using them as a trigger mechanism for them. So if we learn what that person's heartbeat is, like we want to know what makes God pleased and what pleases his heart, what brings him joy. And the other thing is, is in that time, usually I know Vanessa, she's not just praying and she's not just reading, but there's a time of worship as well in that time. So that's when you're rejoicing, you're celebrating that other person. And I don't think we do that
Starting point is 00:21:14 enough of our spouses. We don't compliment enough. We don't look at the great qualities that they have and praise them for them. I think if people started doing that on the daily more than once, but really, really did a careful examination of the person we married and all the unbelievable qualities and traits that we fell in love with that we've forgotten because life has gotten busy and distracting. If we refocused on those things,
Starting point is 00:21:42 man, we fall in love all over again, much deeper because we're older and more mature a lot of times. And then what would that do for that other person? First of all, it's an ego boost. It makes them feel a value. And then when they feel a value, then there's the reciprocation.
Starting point is 00:21:58 It's so powerful. If we kind of just liken everything back to the word and back to a spiritual, godly, holy relationship, we can just, it just, it's so powerful. It can go from there. Natalia, you wouldn't know, but what do you think? How it correlates with like your partner? Yeah. Mm-hmm. relates with like your partner like yeah I mean for me it's like taking your time out of your day
Starting point is 00:22:31 while you're doing something important to like thank them for something or to or like during the day when I'm busy doing something I'll stop and be like okay thank you lord for this thank you lord for that and then I'll keep going yeah so it's like never forgetting him never just doing it in the morning but doing it all throughout the day. Being appreciative. Yeah. Being appreciative. A lot of times if we appreciate something or someone,
Starting point is 00:22:53 then again, that's reciprocated. But then you understand the value that they have and you want to make sure that you, I'm very protective of my relationship with Tom. It's the thing that I hold dear, and I say this all the time, but I guard that thing with my life. But that's because I know the value of that relationship, and I appreciate having it.
Starting point is 00:23:18 So there's very little that I will do to risk that thing, even having a little bit of a wobble in it. I won't allow it. The only way that thing is moving is unless it's going up. It's getting better and better and better. That relationship does not move unless it's in an upward trajectory
Starting point is 00:23:40 and better. Does that make sense, girls? Yeah. Norma? I don't know. I don't blame you. I don't want to give my opinion on what I haven't been good in, which is relationships. I'm still learning all that. For me, I don't think
Starting point is 00:23:58 anything besides being able to renew myself for something to make myself better yeah somebody else when I know I've been wrong about things that's my type of intimacy right now yeah a lot of times is yeah repentance is huge in a marriage well that's me right now that's a great one yeah that is very good learning to be able to look at myself honestly and go, okay, I was wrong. Or go to the person that I do have a problem with and tell them that they were wrong about something in a kinder way.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Yeah, well. Being mean because that's my first instinct. Well, the thing is, is a good marriage usually is when two people can look at themselves honestly and not make excuses for a certain behavior or behaviors to try and justify their actions. But look at themselves honestly and say, that was not honoring to God. That was not honoring to you. And I'm not going to do that again. That's how you build a stronger bond, a stronger relationship.
Starting point is 00:25:00 So that's huge. Tracy? Kind of everything. Mine is like more, it's quality time for sure, but also quantity time. Like Talia was saying, like God's on my mind all day long from the beginning when I wake up to when I go to bed at night. Like he's just like literally in a relationship with him. And so I think when you stop thinking about him, then all of a sudden, it's like he does fall off of the radar. And as much as being thankful for the little things
Starting point is 00:25:31 throughout the day and starting in prayer and starting with scripture, whatever that looks like, but this was all encompassing of how I feel like intimacy is with Christ. And then when you apply those things to your husband, like you're saying, even like when I'm like, oh God, you are so good. Like I say that so much. And if I were to do that for Jer, if I like, every time I thought of that, if I just text Jer, like, thank you so much for what you do. Like if I text Jer as much as I think about it, he'd probably be super happy. You know, but I just don't, I think of it and I don't say it. And even for God, I don't say it out loud. I just think it in my heart. And, but it happens all day long. It's very rare that I'm not thinking about God or because also leading back to God, whatever it is. I get that. Okay. So I totally 100% get that. I say a lot myself,
Starting point is 00:26:20 man, God, you're so good. Right. Or like yesterday, I think it was yesterday, I saw something and I kept saying, God, thank you so much. Like, because you sit there and go, that could have been me. I'm like, thank you, God, thank you, man. Right, yes, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:42 I don't think you can out-appreciate anyone or anything. I really don't. I think there's so much value in understanding what you have and never, ever, ever taking it for granted. And I think most of the time in marriages, one of the reasons why sexual intimacy goes is because of feeling neglected or taken for granted. Yeah. Jeff says something from the pulpit whenever he does the announcements quite frequently. He says, what if you woke up with only the things that you gave thanks for the night before? I know.
Starting point is 00:27:20 I've heard him say that. And I was like, that is a very powerful statement. And so he has gotten into a habit of ending the day and listing out all the things. Like, thank you for my wife. Thank you for my children. And he ends his day in thankfulness and in thanksgiving because that thought is always there.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Because it's true though. And what are we really thankful for? A lot of times we really thankful for? A lot of times we are thankful for the things that we've had the shortest period of time, a trend or a gadget or something that doesn't even know who we are. I think about people who are so into like sports or sports teams or whatever, and they are so passionate and they care more about that specific thing than they do their own blood. And that thing that they're so passionate about and they spend so much physical
Starting point is 00:28:20 emotion on and the, and the blood relative or the spouse gets the leftovers. I'm like, those people don't even know you. And you are so passionate about that thing that means absolutely nothing. But the very thing that's in front of you that you can take to heaven or have such a deep, a deeper, more powerful relationship and emotion towards, you neglect. I'm like, what is wrong with that picture? A lot.
Starting point is 00:28:50 And I think it's been scientifically proven, and maybe you know this, Sarah, but thankfulness and resentment can't occupy the same space. You can't have anxiety if you're living a life of thanksgiving and so if you just like renew your mind and you kind of just like um develop different thoughts and just like be thankful and make yourself be grateful like it will change it will change things around where often maybe your first response would be anger or anxiety. It's now the opposite. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Yeah. Do you have an answer? Cause she said she thought you might know. Is that true? Yeah. There's a part of your brain that will only operate. Like if you're in gratitude in a space of gratitude, you can't be also anxious at the same time.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Yeah. Well, I knew I didn't make that up. Oh my gosh. But it doesn't that make sense though? Because if you're anxiety ridden, it's usually it's based on something fearful. And that fear is because of not being,
Starting point is 00:30:01 not knowing that what you, if you're grateful, then you know, okay, that's forever. Or that's, I, I own that. That's mine. And I, and I'm grateful because I know it's my, how I value, I value it because I know I own it. Right. You don't put so much into something new, but if you are fearful, it's also because of lack you're afraid of losing the very thing that you should be thankful for that it's never going anywhere but most people are are anxiety ridden because they're afraid of what they will lose not for what they know they have does that make sense yep and that causes them so you can't be
Starting point is 00:30:43 grateful because you're too busy worrying that you're not going to be able to hang on to it anymore. Or what if it goes or leaves or changes, whatever the case may be. And if it's not natural, just fake it until you become it. Well, it's like putting on a sacrifice of praise. Eventually, it won't be a sacrifice anymore. It'll just be praise. It'll just be who you are. Super important.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Proverbs 3.32 says, Such wicked people are detestable to the Lord, but he offers his friendship to the godly. So I would say if you want intimacy with your spouse, just like intimacy with God, without trust and honesty. And what that's really speaking of is more like people who are living sinful lifestyles. But do you think if you are doing things that would be considered sinful things, not being honest with your spouse,
Starting point is 00:31:44 not being transparent with them on different things, not being honest with your spouse, not being transparent with them on different things, being selfish, being jealous, being envious of what they have. There are husbands and wives that are both career-oriented people. And if one gets a little bit more ahead of the other, then that envy crosses over and they're no longer supporting and cheering that person on. They're kind of like resentful because why isn't it happening to me? Why is it only happening to them? We see this.
Starting point is 00:32:12 We even see this with movie stars. Movie stars, it happens all the time. So just like your relationship with the Lord, the Lord is not going to have one with you when you're wicked, when you're not being the Christian or the solid one on the other side of the relationship. He wants nothing to do with that. You can't give him a good friendship. He doesn't want your friendship.
Starting point is 00:32:40 Same thing with your spouse. If you can't be a good friend, if you can't be a good husband or wife, then they're not going to really want it. The intimacy is gone then. James 4, 8 says, draw near to God and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. So if you're, again, you're not giving 100% of yourself, draw near to God. That doesn't mean that giving 100% of yourself. Draw near to God. That doesn't mean that only part of you gets to draw near to God. 100% of you, like Sarah was saying, you have to give all of you.
Starting point is 00:33:14 And he gives all of him. Who only wants to be with somebody who gives them half of themselves? Because what happens is you give what you get. And we all know that term, but you give what you get. And we all know that term, but you give what you get. So eventually somebody is giving all of themselves, but you're only giving 50% of yourself. Eventually that person is going to be like, screw it. I'm only going to give you what you give me
Starting point is 00:33:37 because I'm tired of being the one that's always the willing vessel. You want somebody to treat you like you're going to be treated. So give 100%. Intimacy is so much more than just the bedroom, but a lot of things that are affected in the bedroom stem from what we're talking about. Lack of physical intimacy is usually lacking because of other things that come way before that. Yep. Especially for women. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:12 Women are not really physical creatures with somebody who just wants to wham, bam, thank you, ma'am. And that's just the facts. And then I know that there are men out there that just porn is their porn is their playtime. And so they aren't even interested in being intimate because they found another alternative. But the word will get to a scripture. And that's just not acceptable. It's not allowed. Keep abstaining from each other. Sex speaking, is not permitted. And the word is very clear about that. So let's look at spiritual intimacy because there's like five different types of intimacy in marriage that I want to address.
Starting point is 00:34:55 One is spiritual intimacy. And all these things you can do with your spouse and you guys can add to it. Like Vanessa, when you do your prayer time in the morning, it's usually you and Jeff doing it together, correct? He's doing his own thing and I'm doing my own. But you're right. We're in the same area, yes. That's how my parents were. My parents were always on the back porch.
Starting point is 00:35:18 They had their own. But then they would be doing the Bible study together, but doing two separate ones. And then as they found different things that they would find interesting, they study together, but doing two separate ones. And then as they found different things that they would find interesting, they would share it with one another. Yeah. Correct.
Starting point is 00:35:30 Check this out. Yeah. What are your thoughts here? Exactly. That to me, that's spiritual intimacy. You may not, I don't really think you have to be reading the same chapter. Like, let me listen to my husband as he reads to me.
Starting point is 00:35:46 I want to vomit. I would be so bored. There is nothing entertaining to me about that. And I really wouldn't want to sit and read to Tom. But married couples do it all the time, and that's great for them. I have to study it. You just can't read it to me.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Like, I'm going to have to, like, unless you want all the Bibles on the bed, which is how it is when I'm by myself, but unless you want all of that on the bed, that's going to get in the way. True. So he has his time. I have my time.
Starting point is 00:36:16 But I think that spiritual intimacy is super important. You can pray together. You can pray together. You can worship together. I'm not a big proponent of reading the Bible together because I don't do that, but like, worshiping and praying, I think, is powerful together.
Starting point is 00:36:37 And reading the Bible together, too, but it says to study the Word. So it's a little bit more... But a lot of married couples don't do that. I mean, me and Tom don't hardly ever do it together. Any of those things. We hardly ever worship together. Well, unless we go to church and like at the river and then we do it together.
Starting point is 00:36:57 But I mean, we hardly ever pray together. I mean, we pray about things and we'll pray about it, but it's super fast. It's not every day praying together. I mean, do you guys pray and we'll pray about it, but it's super fast. It's not every day praying together. I mean, do you guys pray every single day together? No. No? In the way I see it, like I'm actively pursuing my relationship with God. And Jeff is actively pursuing his relationship with God.
Starting point is 00:37:18 And if we're both seeking first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, that's going to bring us together. But, yeah, we don't pray every day together. Like if something big happens, absolutely you come together. But we kind of like do it separately, but together. Yeah, that's what I was saying. You guys are together when you're doing it. Because the two are one, right?
Starting point is 00:37:42 Exactly. Yours is far superior. Because I don't even do that. I mean, not because I don't do it. I'm just saying it's far superior because it's being done. Right. In the same room at the same time. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:58 I have failed. It's all good. But I mean, the thing is, is like a lot of times, one of the things me and Tom talk all the time. And that's one of the things we talk about all the time is different things that we've learned or different things that we think about a subject or whatever spiritually speaking which really adds to it hebrews 10 24 and then nlt says let us think of ways to motivate one another to acts of love and good works which is is basically, spiritually speaking, saying, iron sharpening iron, helping each other get better and better and better.
Starting point is 00:38:33 I say this to Tom. I'm always chasing. I'm always trying to chase where he's at in certain things, spiritually speaking, that I feel like he's just so far ahead of me. And I love that I can do that. I love that when I look at him, I say, okay, you don't have that going on, so start working on that.
Starting point is 00:38:57 Because not everybody has that. Sometimes husbands never can look at their wives and say, and husbands should be able to, because the Proverbs 31 woman, the husband says he's blessed because of his wife. He looks at her. He understands her value. I want Tom to say that about me, but I want to be able to say that about him. Sometimes the husband can't say that about the wife,
Starting point is 00:39:19 and she's always looking at him thinking he's great, but he can't see anything in her, vice versa. And it's really great when you're able to both do that with one another. It's not always symbiotic like that, but it can get like that. I mean, I've known people who are in marriages that the husband wasn't even saved. And now he is saved and she's chasing after him. So it does happen. So never give up if you're not in that So it does happen. So never give up.
Starting point is 00:39:46 If you're not in that place, husband or wife, never give up. It will happen. Keep the faith. Emotional intimacy, which is sharing personal feelings and experiences. What's so scary for most marital or married couples is that's very vulnerable. Like sharing your emotions and your feelings. Yeah. Like because sometimes when you do that, if it's not a good solid relationship, then later on they try and use it against you. Very true. That's very hurtful. Yes.
Starting point is 00:40:27 Women do it to men just as much as men do it to women. I truly believe that. Yeah. Yep. That affects the bedroom. Yes. Because the bedroom, you're already vulnerable because you're naked. You're booty naked. You're booty naked. Lights off. Lights off. Don't look at me.
Starting point is 00:40:38 I mean, there ain't nothing more vulnerable than that, especially when you need to lose like 25 pounds. You do not need to lose. No, not anymore. Absolutely not. But back in the day. Was your inspiration a stick bug? No, no, yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:40:53 But I'm just saying, back in the day, I'm like, this ain't pretty. Oh, my gosh. I'm just saying. But then when you do, like for me, I love, like Tom says this all the time there's nothing off the table for he or I to discuss and there really isn't but I never feel like nervous to talk about something because I'm afraid that he'll laugh at me like meanly laugh I mean he might laugh at me but I usually know it's because he thinks i'm an idiot which i might have been but it's not like i'm laughing at you right yeah um or um that later on
Starting point is 00:41:33 i will be embarrassed by it or it'll be used against me in an argument and that's just not the case for a lot of married married uh couples and that should not be i mean mean, emotionally, you should be able to, I mean, this is the person you said you wanted to share the rest of your life with. And you should have thought through it pretty good. And emotionally speaking, especially women, we're emotional beings. So not to be able to share that side of ourselves
Starting point is 00:42:01 with someone, that's tough. Is there anything you want to add to that? Very true. I think the biggest thing is what you were saying about leading into the bedroom. If you're having issues in the bedroom, these are root things to go back to because a lot of people will see something on TV and be like, oh, it's because my relationship doesn't look like that because they don't. No, it's all this rooted stuff.
Starting point is 00:42:24 I love how you're doing this. and be like, oh, it's because my relationship doesn't look like that because they don't. No, it's all this rooted stuff. So I think it's so, I love how you're doing this. I love how you're going back and forth between like intimacy with Christ and then also the different levels of intimacy because we are so different. Like guys might not need to hear all this like love language. Jer is different. He likes words of affirmation. And so it is important to him to hear all these things. But it does.
Starting point is 00:42:44 It always leads back to like like the intimacy in your private time like oh well if you like think about this yeah because you just may triggered me with something think about this with with the lord yeah there's nothing we would never share with them correct yeah which you just made me think about that because you're like it's an intimacy with God. I'm like, I wouldn't, there is not anything off the table that I wouldn't even share with God. Cause I know whatever I say to him, it's safe.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Yeah. Like it's like, um, it's going to, it's like, it's going to be cherished. Right. Like that he cherishes that I'm telling him these things and i trust him enough to
Starting point is 00:43:26 do you know what i'm saying yes yeah so good it's not going to be used as a weapon against you later on right yeah yeah and he wants us to talk to him like that's what he longs for communion with us and relationship with him that was the original design in the garden was like communion with us right like living with us and being intertwined in our lives and eve ruined it yes she did with the help of adam because he stood there and watched he's a weak weak man they both had but i hope they're listening right now oh my gosh all, let's leave that alone. So on we go. But really, if we treated our significant other like God treats us,
Starting point is 00:44:13 especially in that. Yeah. Best marriage ever. Yeah. Because even if we said something that the Lord didn't like, there would be correction. But how would there be correction? When I get corrected by the Lord, sometimes it's not the nicest.
Starting point is 00:44:30 But I also know it's not going to be like it's forgiven and forgotten. Like, hope you're not doing that again. Do we understand each other? Yes, sir, we understand each other. No condemnation. And then we move on. Right, exactly. Which, for me me that's healthy um so it's truly significant in
Starting point is 00:44:50 our responses and our communication with each other especially when it comes to emotional things yeah does anybody else want to add to that all right proverbs 5 18 through 19, the New Living Translation says, let your wife be a fountain of blessing for you. It gets a little risque as we go on with this. It says, rejoice in the wife of your youth. She is a loving dear, a graceful doe. Let her breast satisfy you always,
Starting point is 00:45:27 and may you always be captivated by her love was this song Solomon yeah no that's a proverb if I remember right yeah Proverbs 5 18 through 19 I thought it was Song of Solomon too well I didn't because I wrote it down but I was like that sounds like a Song of Solomon yeah it does there's a reason I haven't read that book oh my god that was a taboo book growing up for me. Yep. That was special. You're like, I'll be reading porn. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:45:52 It's corn. Corn. Oh, sorry. I remember hiding and reading it. Are you kidding me? No, I'm not. That's what I did with Judy Blume. Are you there, God?
Starting point is 00:46:07 It's me, Margaret. Oh, my gosh. I hid. Judy Blume. In my room. I'm not allowed to be reading this. What's Judy Blume? Dear God, it's me, Margaret, by Judy Blume.
Starting point is 00:46:17 What is that? If I remember right, it's about a girl who starts her period. Oh. Going through puberty. Do you remember that, Sarah? Because you were in the school system. It's probably still girl who starts her period. Going through puberty. Do you remember that, Sarah? Because you were in the school system. It's probably still there. Is that what it was about?
Starting point is 00:46:32 I don't recall the plot of the book. I just know the title and the author. Yeah, that's what I did. You're there reading Song of Solomon. I'm over here reading Smut as a safe screener. Dear God, it's me, Margaret. It's about an 11-year-old who struggles with her
Starting point is 00:46:50 developing body and her family's religion. No, I literally thought it was risque. I thought I was reading like, you had to wait forever to check that book out because everybody was like, there was a line to get.
Starting point is 00:47:08 Dear God, it's me, Margaret. And then when you got it, you're like, put it away. Who's coming to my room? I think I had that thing read in like two days. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I was not reading Song of Solomon. I don't want to read that book.
Starting point is 00:47:25 It's good for you. It's not good for me. It's good for you. Every book is good. I'll be wanting to die. You might. If you study it out, then you'll do much better. True.
Starting point is 00:47:39 Very true. It's not that bad. Yeah. Which leads us into physical intimacy. If a man literally looked at his wife like that, that's powerful. Look at those boobs. Look at that boobies.
Starting point is 00:47:53 If you let her breasts satisfy you always. What if you nursed for four years? Can I put that in my Instagram bio as my scripture? Let her breasts satisfy you always. May you always be captivated by her love.
Starting point is 00:48:11 I want to read that in the Gen Z Bible. What does it say? That was the NLT and the New King James ain't much different. That's not alright. Oh, I'm looking
Starting point is 00:48:20 that up right now. That's way worse than Dear God, It's Me, Margaret. Oh my God. They didn't have nothing like up right now. That's way worse than, dear God, it's me, Margaret. Oh, my God. They have nothing like that in there. I mean, I don't. The message took out boobie part.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Eugene. Can't take it out. It's there. It's supposed to be there. Don't ever quit taking delight in her body. Delight in her body. And hey, listen. Once porn gets in there, men have a really hard time.
Starting point is 00:48:52 There is a reason that was in there. Keep your eyes only on her. On her boobs. That's it. Well, no. Your eyes just don't stay. You satisfy yourself with her boobs. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:49:05 To be specific. I just don't stay. You satisfy yourself with her boobs. Oh my gosh. To be specific. I just don't like when she says it. I know. I know. It's true. It's true. It's my dad. I have to envision that with.
Starting point is 00:49:14 Yeah, you do. You don't have to envision anything. Who else is she going to be? Who else is going to be delighting in her boobs? Take every thought captive, girl. You don't have to. But she's talking about somebody delighting in her boobs. You can't not think about it.
Starting point is 00:49:26 It's going to be my father. It's true. It's true. Now we're all having a problem. I know. Now you're all still with me. Well, that's your fault. That's you guys' fault.
Starting point is 00:49:37 Captivate each other with each other's boobs. I'm a father with him delighting in your boobs. That's true. Think of each other with each other's boobs, not mine. Oh, yeah. That's why you're here. I'm the fruit of him delighting in her boobs. That is true. Think of each other's with each other's boobs, not mine. Oh, yeah. That's why you're here. I'm the fruit of him delighting in her boobs. That is true.
Starting point is 00:49:49 So for me, I am their pet sperm. That's an interesting story about Norma. Oh, let's hear it. Let's hear it. Don't. Let's not. Yes. I was sketching.
Starting point is 00:50:02 She started it. She's playing. I was playing. There you go. That's all that needs to be said. How is that Yes. I was sketching. She started it. She's playing. I was playing. There you go. That's all that needs to be said. How is that interesting? I'm not interested. I want more details.
Starting point is 00:50:10 I need more. More details. So this is how it happened. Okay. Step by step. Song of Solomon. This is how it happened. So we have Tommy.
Starting point is 00:50:21 And then we got, let's see. After we had Tommy, we we're like you know what I think we're let's just have another one so I think it was at six months of course I think it was at six months we decided we would get pregnant again and we got pregnant immediately but at about 11 weeks we lost that child through miscarriage I was That was a rough experience. So then we had to wait a while. Because you can't, it's not wise to like try and have a kid again. But now I'm like, I was pregnant.
Starting point is 00:50:59 So I want to be pregnant again. And so you know how you track everything. So I remember I took I went to the went to the bathroom before I had to go to work, which I had to be at work at 10 in the morning, because I worked a model home. Yeah. So I go and, you know, you pee on that little ovulation thing. And I'm ripe for the picking. So I call him up. I call him up, and I'm like, you better get home now. You got to come home now. All signs are pointing to yes. He did, we did, and she came.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Oh, Marla. Here she is. It worked. It worked. It worked. That's right. here she is it worked it worked that's pretty impressive that's pretty impressive I don't mean that so isn't that baby in heaven right I'll get to see that baby
Starting point is 00:51:59 that's so fun I haven't met he or she yet I often think about that I better be the only girl in your life. Oh my gosh. She's totally going to be a girl. I never thought about that. Huh?
Starting point is 00:52:09 I never thought about that. Really? Have you lost a baby? I had a miscarriage after Taylor. Oh yeah. Interesting. I often wonder. I'm like, boy or girl?
Starting point is 00:52:17 You're going to know eventually. Well, so Jesse Duplantis, when he gave his testimony of heaven, he said that, yeah, they were all getting trained. They were getting trained, like, who was, I don't remember who was teaching them. Babies that had been aborted or miscarried. Or miscarried. Yeah, because it's mostly the same thing.
Starting point is 00:52:36 Had someone raising them in place of you, but when you got there, you would. Oh. I love that. I'm getting ready for you to come back. I think I remember that because I've listened to that story twice now Sarah's going to cry
Starting point is 00:52:48 Sarah's going to cry I've watched it did you miss that part? there's different ones he gives the testimony there is different I've never heard that part I bawled my eyeballs out
Starting point is 00:53:06 that's awesome I was in the middle of cleaning the cafe I was like no one better walk in because I'm a mess every time I listen to that video I cry yeah that's powerful Tom was bawling like a baby too let's just go already
Starting point is 00:53:20 that's the problem no guys you guys can go I'm ready to go Go already. That's the problem. No, you can't. Talia's not married. No, guys. I'm married for all. You guys can go. I'm ready to go. I'll go. I could do it. I'll go right now.
Starting point is 00:53:31 I could go. I mean, I don't want to go, but I'll go. I don't want to go. Oh, many days. I got nothing. Oh, my gosh. I mean, really, we are to treasure this time on earth, but we're too long for heaven. Do what we're supposed to do down here but
Starting point is 00:53:45 i don't have any hesitancy about going to heaven like for me like to die is gain man like i there's nothing on this earth that's just so great right and that not wanting to be in his presence are you kidding me there are people but for me i'm like oh yeah it's gonna be in his presence. Are you kidding me? There's that and I just know there's a lot of people up there that I just want to see again real bad. There are people but for me, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:54:09 oh yeah, it's going to be way better. Imagine our houses though. Yeah, that's true. Our house is going to be cool. But to, I mean, to literally think
Starting point is 00:54:17 that we will get to stand before him and like, thank him personally. I'm going to pee myself. That's so powerful. So cool. I'm so excited. She's so powerful. So cool.
Starting point is 00:54:26 She's going to pee herself. I'm going to crap my pants. She's so excited. Do we poop and have it? No, I don't think we poop. We do eat. And we get a new body. We get a new body.
Starting point is 00:54:43 So maybe it just disappears. Is all of our holes gone then? I mean, that's a great question. What are you referring to? Yeah, like which holes? Which one? Like your nostrils? Do we have nipples?
Starting point is 00:54:55 Because those aren't useful anymore. I never thought of that. These are valid questions. This is the whole pot line. Is there no sex in heaven? No sex in heaven. No, there's no sex. I i mean i'm so red right now from laughing so hard from i looked at my face i'm like you're so red it's because i'm laughing i tell you well we have nipples there's no use of them anymore there isn't you're right nobody's sucking on them i know but who's talking about nursing babies but men have nipples and nobody's sucking on those true we were just talking about why do
Starting point is 00:55:32 men have nipples that's true that's true my mind men do lactate they have oh my gosh this is spiraling i mean we are way off topic disgusting Disgusting. I still have to get to sponsors. That would be a major ick for me, by the way. That would be. That is an ick. Same. Not to turn off. Imagine kissing them and all of a sudden they're like, that's just what?
Starting point is 00:55:54 No. Why are they lactating? Hope that happened for you. Yeah. What? Have I lactated before? I'm sure I have. I was pregnant and had a kid.
Starting point is 00:56:09 I said Tom. My father lactated. Listen, I'm going to just tell you, if Tom ever lactated, I might not ever see him again. Divorce. He might divorce me and say I'm not worthy. I'm never having intimacy with any woman ever again
Starting point is 00:56:24 if this is what it does to me. Oh my gosh. If they start lactating, does that mean they start to grow boobs like fat too? Or does it just... Is this just trans people? In order to produce milk,
Starting point is 00:56:33 you have to have breast tissue. So that means dad would have to have boobage. He would have to have breast tissue. Somebody has to have boobs. Then you could delight in his breasts. You can delight in my dad's boobs.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Equal opportunity. Squeeze them. There you go. Oh my opportunity. There you go. Oh my gosh. You get to squeeze other people's boobs. I think all holes are gone in heaven, but we'll see. We'll let each other know when we get up there. Like down there, at least.
Starting point is 00:56:56 Talia, I'm going to make sure I find you when I get up there. I'm going to find Talia and be like, are your holes gone? Let me see. I'll be finding you. So don't worry. We're going to live next to each other. Yeah, we are. Yeah, definitely. Squeeze. Never mind you. So don't worry. We're going to live next to each other. Yeah, we are. Yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 00:57:07 Squeeze. Never mind. I wonder what part of heaven we're going to be in. I'm going to be in section eight. We're going to be in section eight. We're a skid row. Section eight.
Starting point is 00:57:15 That's section eight. Is that? Yes. That's the government's housing. I'm on the south side of the kingdom. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:22 She's in government housing. The government housing of heaven. Oh my gosh. Pray with me, don't play with me. Oh my gosh. What'd you say? Pray with me, don't play with me. Oh yeah, oh dear me, oh my.
Starting point is 00:57:33 Pray with me, don't play with me. Don't play with me. Yeah, Vanessa. All right. Okay, moving on from Rocky. Okay. I don't even know how to do that, but. Good luck
Starting point is 00:57:45 You got three minutes baby Make it spiritual Let's finish up with physical intimacy Because that's where we have left Which I saved the best for last That is not any better than what we were just talking about Well we are But 1 Corinthians 3-5 says
Starting point is 00:58:02 In the NLT Let the husband render to his wife the affection due to her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer, and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. And that is very, very clear.
Starting point is 00:58:33 Oh, I have one more after this. It's very, very clear. And I have known husbands who do this to women and women who do this to men. Women will use it as a weapon if the husband doesn't do something for her or what she likes or she deems unacceptable for whatever reason. Like that's her payback. The machine is shut down. And the husband, when porn is involved, it's almost always porn. Almost always.
Starting point is 00:59:05 With the husbands that are willing to be honest about it. And sometimes it gets to a place where it's not even porn anymore. A husband, they've done studies on this. When someone has looked at enough porn, what happens is they aren't even able to sexually perform because without a type of medication. which was, what was that stuff that people used? Viagra. Without Viagra, because they have distorted and perverted sex and what that truly is. So when it's time to actually be intimate with their spouse they can't even do it and that's the truth and we are seeing that well let's look at how much viagra sold it is a chat gpt it
Starting point is 00:59:56 lots of people are on viagra and there's reason for that. And pornography is extremely dangerous for multiple reasons. But one of them is how it changes your thought. I know. I know it is because I've done a study on this. $500 million. How much? In 2019, it was $500 million. It's gone up and up.
Starting point is 01:00:21 And then like 2017, $1.2 billion. It's a lot. Yeah, a lot of people that's a big huge money maker because a lot of men are unable to be sexually active without assistance because they have distorted like what they think sex looks like and now like their wife doesn't even turn them on she may be a beautiful being, if you will. Perfect body, perfect face, perfect everything. And she can't even do it for him because he's watched so much porn and so much new that he can't do it anymore.
Starting point is 01:01:02 And so guard your heart, guard your mind, guard your eyes. It's super important that you are very careful about what you let in because it will destroy your sexual intimacy with your with your spouse. And both of you should honor one another. Both of you should respect one another enough that that the bedroom is not anything that anything or anyone else but the two of you get to enter into it. Does that make sense? Yeah. Do you want to know the statistic? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:30 I would love to know the statistic. In the United States, the ED, erectile dysfunction drugs market, generated around $1.36 billion in revenue in 2024 and is expected to reach approximately $2.16 billion by 2030. And you know why that is? Because the porn industry and sexual perversion is at an all-time high. And what happens is normal sex is no longer watched, but it becomes more and more and more and more perverse. And when I mean more and more perverse,
Starting point is 01:02:13 it's no longer just a guy and a girl. Now you've got to watch two girls and an animal. Dear God. But it gets to where it's no longer that. Now you're watching, instead of watching women in their 20s and 30s, now you're watching teenagers.
Starting point is 01:02:32 And it keeps getting worse and worse and worse. And you think I'm kidding? I'm not kidding. I worked for an industry in an industry where we were breaking open phones and investigating people
Starting point is 01:02:42 that look like you and me. Mm-hmm. Yikes. Mm-hmm. Yikes. Mm-hmm. And what we found on their devices is horrible. Yikes. So it starts out with normal porn, and it ends up going down a very fast track of unusual and perversion
Starting point is 01:03:00 that's beyond even what is normal. So be very careful. You know, sin is a slippery slope to greater and worse things. And sexual sin is worse because it's a sin against your own body. So be careful with that. Recreational intimacy.
Starting point is 01:03:17 This is going to be our last one, which is do what each other enjoy. And if he likes to play golf, go learn to play golf so that you have some common thing that you can do together and spend a good time amount of time together doing it if he likes to fish go fishing with him I mean I can think of a couple couples in our church that the guys are just rednecks as can be mm-hmm and the wives are out there being rednecks with
Starting point is 01:03:46 them. And they, these girls look like the most prim and proper things you've ever met. Cute as can be hot little tamales, but they're out there in their, in their camo and they're having a great time with their spouse. It may not be their favorite thing, but they are their favorite thing. So they are out doing what they love with them. And that's really what the mindset is about. If you were with your favorite person doing the thing that you hate the most, but if you're doing it with them, you can have a lot of laughs and a really good time. Mindset. Yep. Mindset. And that's my last thing, which is most importantly, laugh. Find something you enjoy doing together, but laugh. And laughter is, a merry heart is good medicine. If you have the
Starting point is 01:04:35 worst marriage right now, but if you two can learn to laugh together, that is the perfect medicinal cure for your marriage. Laugh together and you'll do so good. It heals a multitude of things. You guys want to add anything before I finish up with Ecclesiastes 9.9? Anybody? On intimacy, does anybody have any little last nugget they want to share on just having a strong, intimate marriage? I love what Pastor Tom preached on on Sunday about doing the first works. Yes.
Starting point is 01:05:12 Oh, yes. That was so good. Just do the first works. Go back to when you were dating and what you did. Right. Do the first works. Yeah. That's good.
Starting point is 01:05:21 Yeah. That's good, Vanessa. I think when you have a servant heart too, like when you're just serving, you're not expecting anything in return, then you don't have these preconceived things where it's like, well, I did this for you, so I expected you to do this for me. Just serve. Just serve them, whatever that looks like. And if that's serving through sending a text that you're thankful for them, don't expect anything in return. Just do it because you love them. Love is unconditional. That means there's zero conditions attached to it if you truly love
Starting point is 01:05:48 somebody. And if you're married to somebody who will take advantage of that and use and abuse it, I will tell you this. It's like the philosophy that we've taken on with this church and even Tom and myself and whenever we bless somebody with finances or whatever. If the Lord tells us to do something, we do it, right? So if the Lord, when the Lord in the past has told us to financially bless a family or do something for somebody, we never look for anything in return unless, I would every now and then and it is very rare an agreement will be made between two parties and then we righteously make that agreement stand and hold but on the whole most of the time when we do things for people if
Starting point is 01:06:40 it ends up being taken advantage of or comes back to bite us in the butt, we never worry about it. And the reason we don't worry is because we did what the Lord told us to do. And we'll be blessed for that. So if you're married to somebody who will take advantage of you doing the things that we're talking about, don't worry about that part. Seriously, don't worry about that part. You do what God tells you to do and you let him take care of the rest. Amen. Because you will be blessed whether it is by the person you're married to or by God himself. Right. It's usually going to be both. Yep. But if it's not who you're married to, just keep doing it. Keep coals of kindness. Isn't that what the
Starting point is 01:07:20 word tells us to do? But more importantly, you'll honor the Lord. You'll honor your spouse, but you'll honor the Lord by being obedient to his word. And he's faithful every single time. Ecclesiastes 9.9 says, Live joyfully with the wife whom you love all the days of your vain life, which he has given you under the sun all your days of vanity. For that is your portion in life and in the labor which you perform under the sun. So joyfully enjoy each other. That's the most important. Let's go to sponsors really quick. Real Estate Appraisal Associates of Southwest Florida, Inc. is owned
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Starting point is 01:09:46 You'll be pleased as punch. So what we're going to do now, let's just close out. We're going to close out in prayer. But more importantly, I want to close out because I want to close out and just pray over marriages, especially the ones that come to Foundation Church or the ones that are listening to this podcast. I'm going to pray specifically for yours and then for anybody who comes in and listens to this later on. Marriages are attacked heavily because Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy.
Starting point is 01:10:16 And if he can separate parents, then he can break up a family. And then he has, you know, he has accomplished a great and mighty work with the destruction of the family unit like it perpetuates on and on and on with those kids and it shows that kids that come from broken homes tend to break their home as they grow up. But kids who come from homes that were intact and there are no divorce, those kids tend to have marriages that stick together. Satan knows what he's doing. He's not stupid. But the great thing is, is if you're listening to this podcast, you have God and he can't do anything, Only what you allow him to do. So we're not going to give him a foothold or an inroad to our marriages.
Starting point is 01:11:09 We're going to make them stronger and more bound together. And our children will be more secure and more safe and more strong in the Lord and in the walks with God because of it. So let's pray really quick. Heavenly Father, we just come to you right now. And I speak over each and every marriage of people who attend Foundation Church or who are listening to the Hope Hotline right now, and for the people that are going to be entering into marriage
Starting point is 01:11:35 or are looking specifically for a future spouse. First, for those, let them choose wisely. Father God, have them pray and make sure that the person that you have for them, that's the right one, that they marry the one that you have specifically told them is the one for them, that they marry the godly man or woman that you have ordained them to marry. And with that will come great success. That doesn't mean that they might not have a few little hiccups along the way,
Starting point is 01:12:05 but they'll know that they know that they know that they're with the right person. And whatever Satan tries to do and come against them with, they will stick together because they will know that you have bound that marriage together. You ordained it. Father God, I just speak to every single marriage within the sound of my voice right now. Lord, whether it is a marriage that's having difficulty or is as strong as strong can be. Father God, I ask that you would speak wisdom into each person and into each relationship that will draw them closer to you, which will cause that relationship to be stronger and deeper and more godly. Have them to become selfless in their thoughts and in their hearts.
Starting point is 01:12:51 Let them strive to be all that you want them to be, which in turn will make them stronger and more Christ-like in their relationships with each other. Purify, Restore. Bring honesty. And more importantly, I think I see so much in marriages, Lord, are people who are bitter and angry towards one another and just have so much resentment and offense towards one another. Let that all drop.
Starting point is 01:13:23 It go away. Let it be nothing that people can remember. Let forgiveness rule and reign in these relationships so that they can become united again more stronger than they were before they said, I do. And even if they don't know that they were the one that you had for them, they are now. So let them bind themselves together like a tight rope that nothing can separate. Let their days be filled with laughter and joy and peace and comfort. And let their children look at a strong, godly relationship, what that looks like, and aspire to have one when they get older that looks just like mom and dad.
Starting point is 01:14:05 We praise you. We thank you. And in Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. All right. We're going to see on Friday. Can't wait. Yeah. I don't know what Friday holds, but I will tell you that next Wednesday we're in Vegas. We're coming back from Vegas. So we won't be here for but we'll be here on Friday which is Valentine's correct so we have this Friday then no Wednesday then Friday yes yep we're gonna rock your world on that Valentine's Day yeah we are we will see you thank you for joining us see you on Friday bye real talk real talk real talk Real talk. Real talk. Real talk.

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