The Hope Hotline - When Am I Ready To Lead A Hub Group? | S02-E15 | 03-15-24

Episode Date: March 18, 2024

I really want to join the HUB groups, but evening classes are tough for my work schedule. I started thinking about starting my own group, do you think that's a good idea? How do I know if I am ready to start a home/HUB group?

Real talk. Real talk. Real talk. Real talk. Welcome to the Hill Potline. It is Friday and it is a good day. We got the crew back. They're all still alive from their parasite cleanse so far and it is a good day. We've got the crew back. They're all still alive from their parasite cleanse so far, which is a good thing. We're not going to start out with that. Well, I guess those parasites are like making you amped up and excited over there.

They're not, the parasites aren't excited. They're dying. They're dying. You're more alive than you've ever been, ladies. Because those things ain't eating away your whatever that makes them live. Whatever. Exactly. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever that is. Don't those things like strain energy from you?

Probably. Why I'm so tired. No, honey, that's not why. Whatever. Listen, I don't, I, last night I was looking at Instagram, which I don't do very often, maybe a couple of days a week.

I'll go through and I'll look at what everybody's doing and catch up on just the ministries that I love and enjoy. And I'll share like with Tom, what's going on so we can stay in the know of everybody. River Baltimore is killing it. Okay. They just took over a River Baltimore is killing it. Okay. They just took over a Best Buy outlet. Wow. Oh, wow.

That's big. They started three years ago during COVID. It's the Carpenters. Wow. Tony and Karen Carpenter, the pastors of the church. They're just the sweetest people. They're very sweet. We, Foundation Church, before anyone, like Tom and I,

the Holy Spirit told me, like, you need to invest in their ministry. We were having to recover. Or we were, I can't remember which one it was. Oh, we were recovering from the storm. Okay. And I sensed that they were going to be getting a building or something like that. I don't remember how it all played out. But the Holy Spirit told me,

I'm like, Tom, we need to invest in their ministry a certain amount of dollars because they're going to get a building. Something along those lines. Plus, I said, plus, our building's a mess, so we need to invest to help our building. So we gave a large sum of money money the biggest gift they'd ever gotten the body did this church did yeah which started them being able to buy the building they're in right now that's exciting so like those are the things that people don't know that we as this church do like i should figure out every year i mean tom i think tries to uh tell people we give, but it's astronomical from what,

besides over and above the tithe and offering or the tithe we give, the money that we send out for missions and other churches and other crusades. It's pretty. But when I saw that they got that building, that was amazing. It's exciting. Awesome. So Foundation Church, you played a part in that because they do lots of souls. They're in Baltimore.

Who wants to be in Baltimore? Not this girl. No. But they, during COVID, did not close. That's amazing. Did not close. That's huge. So big.

They went from nobody nobody they do monumental soul winning and things like that i mean he's just a great guy um so is his wife but uh they do huge soul winning they went and helped jonathan do his first outdoor like when he he did that was it last year when he went and he rented that stadium? Okay. Do you remember what I'm talking about? Yeah, I think I do. And he gave away those free TVs. Yeah, yeah.

When they first moved into the arena where they're in. Oh, wow. They did that. Okay. So Pastor Tony took his church and his team, and they went out there, and they helped out Jonathan start getting people to come in for that. Oh, that's awesome. So they're great people, but, um, started with no one during COVID and about three weeks ago, they had over 600 people show up. Oh my gosh. One of their members, just one of their members

and people, I mean, Tom was preaching this two weeks ago about like, what are you doing to bring people into the kingdom? Like you should be inviting somebody every week to church. And this person behind me go, it's just not that easy. That's what I heard them say. It's just not that easy. And I thought, okay. Don't they know they're sitting right behind you?

Oh yeah. But this person talks incessantly, so it doesn't matter. They never stop talking. But whatever. It doesn't matter. I don't care. So they said, it's just not that easy. And so I think to myself, well, one person for one service of his brought 106 people.

That's not just that easy. Wow. Like 106. Wow. Okay. I don't know if I know 106 people. I know. They just all already come here.

Yeah, that's true. But that's like going out and bringing them in. That's grinding. So yeah, 106 people. Wow. I don't know. I mean, in the following service, they had like 600 people, I think, because they moved into a new place until they could get into this place

because they had to move out of their other place. So I don't know what it is. But when you look at the pictures, it looks pretty big for only being three years old. Yeah. That's awesome. So pretty awesome. Wow. Pretty awesome.

But so that's exciting. But that's not what I was really talking about. I don't know how that happened. But what I was going to say is I was on Instagram last night and I said to Tracy, I'm like, there's this roller coaster that popped up on my screen. I don't even know why it came on. It scared the bejeebies out of me.

And I'm not even on the stupid thing. Like, have you put it on? Show people what I'm talking about. I turned it down just because there's some music that might be copyrighted. So it's quiet, but I think we'll be good. I don't care because just scream in your mind. This is the highest drop. It's quiet, but I think we'll be good. I don't care because just scream in your mind. Okay, okay. This is the highest drop.

Highest elevation mountain. Highest elevation mountain. And then the drop. It's in Colorado. Yeah, yeah. Who thought of this? Glenwood. They need to be put in prison.

Oh, my gosh. Every enemy of ours, the enemies of our enemy, they need to be put on this thing as torture. Never to get off until they give up every fact that they know. Because this is scary. Okay, ready? This is no game. Go ahead.

Okay. First of all, beautiful view. Oh, my gosh. So beautiful. Beautiful scenery. Yes. Oh, my gosh. This is great.

I really, really, really hate this part. It's like the slow right here. It's this part that's like. Oh, my gosh. Just beautiful scenery. Yes. It's like the slow right here. It's this part that's like. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's like, oh, no. You can feel it. I literally watched it twice and I was like, oh, my gosh. And then it's this part. And it's like, oh, my God.

I hate the clickety,clickety-clickety. Yeah, dude, I'd be screaming too. Look at that. You don't need music for this. What do you mean that's not too bad? No, I don't think I was yet. You have nothing beneath you. For like, you're on a mountain, and then you're going down. You think it's, you think the one, wait a minute, look that up then.

What is it? Maybe there's worse ones than that. I haven't been on a roller coaster in a really long time. I went to Tampa. I went to Busch Gardens, and I rode one me and Tommy did because nobody else wanted to get on them. And I've rode some pretty intense ones. That one's pretty scary.

That was a scary one. I literally have never blacked out on a roller coaster. On this one, I literally passed out on the drop because you can't breathe because it's going straight down and, like, really fast. Now, Tommy told me he went on the one that flips you takes you straight up flip she's very put your face down yeah and then drops you i've been on that one also tom told me tell me tell me he did that one would you say

sarah that's not a roller coaster if we're talking about falcons fury well i don't know if that's that he didn't call it a roller coaster i'm just saying because she was saying i don't know if that's, he didn't call it a roller coaster. I'm just saying, because she was saying, I don't know if that's the name of it. I didn't know. But that thing right there where it drops you, face down, he's like that, that was scary. Didn't somebody recently like die on it? Not on that one. One that was just like it in Orlando at the amusement park. Somebody died with heart problems because they tell you not to get on those things, right?

Well, no, they were too fat. So the thing didn't click. Yes. And they fell out when it was coming down. And there's a video and you can hear him hit the ground. Yeah. I actually went to the place where he died. Oh, okay.

Are you kidding me? Nobody check that? Nope. That is horrible. Well, that just destroyed my whole entire podcast. Bye-bye. The podcast has hit a long time low. Okay, Sarah's going to bring us back up.

Sarah, bring us back up. What do you got to say? Unless you're going to bring us back down even further. Are you taking us? We're here. We're at a low. Are you about to take us at the lowest of lows? To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

So we're going to say that he was saved and that that was just what a story. Yeah. And then hope right now you could lead people to the Lord. If you don't know and you're going on a roller coaster soon. Exactly. This is your opportunity. Don't get on a roller coaster or a ride like that if you don't know jesus right is that good yeah that's not i was praying at the top of falcons fury did you ride is that the same one that tommy is that the one that goes like this and then i went on it with theresa ste. I was literally like, Teresa went on that? Way to go, girl.

Never again. Was she fine? She was fine, but she said it was scary, yeah. She's hardy, though. Listen, that girl's from Kentucky. Yeah. Like, come on. Come on.

If you can get past the inbreeding between that and West Virginia, you're doing great. And she's not inbred, so she's totally fine. Just kidding. But every time I think of Kentucky and West Virginia, and if you're watching from either one of those states, you got brain cells because you're watching me, so that means you were not inbred.

But I'm just saying. One of my favorite places in west virginia is harper's ferry no okay so i don't think that redeemed me in any way but you do have some great spots okay what are you going to show us no i pulled she said it's not the right one so i screen recorded the wrong one do you want to see the wrong one i screen recorded it looks scary it looks scary yeah you know what's scary is the, no, not scary, but it's, I don't know if it's like the G-Force, but the one. What is that one?

Is it? That doesn't even look that bad, though. Okay, see, I'm telling you. When you're on it. My Colorado roller coaster is intense. Probably because to you, that doesn't look scary, but if you were on it, you would think it's worse. Just like you don't think that one looks scary?

Girl, I'm sure Colorado's worse. I'm not saying that one's not scary but i'm just saying like that thing looks intense okay the one on it's sea world manta it looks like a stingray that one the g-force like literally takes your breath away what do you have that one no i just went on it but i don't i don't think it like it gets to a point where it like, even Kylie was sitting next to me and she was really small and she's like, ah, like she like didn't even, couldn't even. Yeah. And she like looked at me like panic. I'm like, it's okay. Just smile. It's fun. And my aunt was like, oh, it's so enjoyable. It's just like relaxing. So I'm expecting this like really nice, relaxing rollercoaster. And both of her and I were like, like, are we dying?

Like it's the weirdest thing when like the G force is like beyond what you've ever experienced. Yeah. But I don't think it would look as exciting as like that. That one looks scary. Yeah. That one looks scary. Like too high. I don't like heights.

So that was just not my cup of tea. Yeah. For the record, I only, I have to be done at four today. We are not going past it. Tracy's got things to do. Yes. So at four o'clock. Four o'clock.

Whether we're done or not. I'm out. We're done. We'll take, the lights are going off. Lights are going off. The microphone is going, turning, you know, silent. Yep. It's cutting.

Okay. Okay. So like, I, you know, silent. Yep. That's the way it is. It's cutting. Okay, so. Okay. Like, I don't know. Instagram, I find myself, I can't waste too much time on it, but then you get, you know, that's how it sucks you in because you're like. I know. And now, like, they have these things where people are improv dancing,

and that fascinates me. Oh, my God. I love those videos. They're so awesome. Like, some of those improv, I found myself, it was like 45 minutes later of watching improv dancing. I'm like, what is wrong with me? And then this morning I went on there to go check something and got this woman, like, I had to send it to everybody.

But it's like, listen. But that improv dancing, Sarah, that's amazing. Yeah. You guys love your dancing ones. I'm not a dancer. I'm not either. And you guys just love it. It's so intriguing to you.

Oh, my word. Yeah. Listen. She's a dirty dancer. She dances for money. She's a dirty dancer. She dances for money. That's a song. I'm a private dancer. Have you ever heard that? I'm a private dancer.

I'm off key right now. You don't know it unless you know the song. Hey, you've heard that song, right? Yes. Now Sarah's got to look it up. Oh my gosh. Is that an insert playlist? Are you kidding me? yes yeah now sarah's gotta look it up no i'm not oh my gosh yeah she's on it's her playlist are you kidding me i don't even know what that's from i don't either i think i only know it from

like a show okay it was probably on a show or something like that because i i really don't know the rest of it except for that little tidbit okay go ahead okay do your thing well you were just talking about instagram and so if you are not following us on Instagram, you need to because yesterday, Sarah and Vanessa gave their update about how they were taking their parasite cleanse. So if you want to know the moment to moment things that are happening over in the peanut gallery, that's important. It truly is. If you want to be volunteering to take pictures of her poop. Okay. Okay. over in the peanut gallery. As if that's important. It truly is, though. Sarah's volunteering to take pictures of her poop. I am not.

No. But Sarah will. And she's just waiting for things to come out. What's literally like this in the toilet? Derek, he already doesn't know what to do with me most of the time. But he's like, what are you doing?

I'm looking for worms. I'm looking for my parasites. I'm like, who's snakes? Looking for my parasites. Okay, go ahead with your Instagram because that's a beautiful graphic you made there, girl. Oh, thank you. So it's the.hope.hotline. So that's our handle.

So if you just go in, this is what it's going to look like right now. So if you do it now, go follow us there. You can see the following button because I'm already following it. It'll say follow, click that. And then you can see if you're not an Instagram person or you're just not like well-versed in it. If you see the logo at the top, you see this beautiful little red and purple and yellow color around it. That means there's around the logo, that means there's a new story. the logo. Around the logo. That means there's a new story. So if you click on that, you'll be able to watch

if we shared something from Vanessa or whatever, anything. Like right now, it'll say reminder today. But if you get it in time, you'll be able to see the stories from Sarah and Vanessa. So follow us on Instagram.

Or any other wild and crazy thing. Any, who knows? Yeah, you just don't know what you'll find on the Hope Hotline Instagram page. See, the thing is, you just don't know what you'll find on the on the whole hotline Instagram page. So the thing is, is you're more of an Instagrammer. Everybody on the peanut gallery are more Instagrammers than they are Facebook. Oh, yeah. So you're not really mean you try and do both. Yeah, yeah. So Instagram is more of your friendly. Right. Right. And so yeah,

if you're on Facebook, sometimes they connect. And sometimes Instagram is funny. Like today, I shared a reminder today and it didn't go to Facebook. So I can't guarantee that it'll always be there, but it will always be on Instagram. And we need you over on Instagram. We I know they're like kind of the same platform. But Facebook is just you get like if you're used to Facebook, you do get sucked into it. And then everybody's scrolling on Facebook and then you get grumpy. I don't like Facebook. Me either. I'm not a Facebooker. I'm not really an Instagrammer either. But if I had my choice, it ain't going to be Facebook. Right. But they're owned by the same evil, demonic, conniving.

They are. I know. So we'll just bring our own little sunshine over onto the Hope Hotline with parasites and who only knows what else. That's right. Oh, my goodness. That's right, girl. Yep, exactly. So, yeah, that's what we got today. And then do you want me to do the social graphic just so people, if they're new, they know what to do?

Okay. So if you are on Facebook, we love that you like and share and comment where you're watching, who you're watching. I see Janelle over there right now on Facebook. We actually have a higher number. Wednesday, it was kind of weird. So today, a little bit better on Facebook. But if you want and pop over on Rumble, we've got a whole conversation.

Janelle, you are missing out, my friend. Are her friends in Rumble? Yes, all your friends. Everybody. I'm going to name them all in a second. Yeah, I'm going to name them all. YouTube, pop over to Rumble as well. It's very, very quiet over on YouTube, which is fine. And I get it because a lot of people like hopping on because of the easiness of like putting

your phone on and then being able to shut down it and it still continues to play. Rumble should do that as well. And also Blackrobe does that too. So if you want to just hop over to Blackrobe and do that over there, that would be awesome. Okay, now over to Rumble. We have all the people on there. So Janelle, seriously, what are you waiting for? I mean, everybody, Sean, Sharon, Logan's over here, Kayla. It's the pregnancy brain cells.

They're not working. Okay. She just lost Facebook. It's hindering the brain. We're going to have to have a conversation, Janelle, you and me. How old are you, Janelle? You can't be in your 40s. No, she's not.

So what are you doing? You're acting like you're my age. I know. You thought Janelle was like 23 when you met her. Yeah, I did. I wanted to hook her up with my son for a really long time. I know. Even after I knew she was married, I'm like, dang it.

Dang it, girl. Are they happily married? Why are you married? I love Skylar, but I'm just time. I know. Even after I knew she was married, I'm like, dang it. Dang it, girl. Are they happily married? Why are you married? I love Skylar, but I'm just saying. I know, I know. Like, why are you married? I mean,

I'm not encouraging divorce or adultery or anything, but come on, chick. Tell me a bone. She's a cutie. She is. She is. Alas.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't to be. It wasn't. It wasn't. Okay. So anyways, YouTube youtube we got you okay so subscribe if you have youtube and you want to subscribe and you have a gmail account and you get notifications that is a wonderful thing about just being subscribed on youtube

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Ask Hope at HopeHotline.com. Again, if you are asking questions to your friends and you're like, what do you think about this? Send it in. Just send it in. Just see what Hope has to say about it. See what the peanut gallery is going to say. Usually if you're thinking the question, somebody else probably wants to know as well. So there's a lot of times that I'm like, oh, that's a good question. Send it into the Hope hotline. Because even if you think you know the answer, sometimes like there's just a different perspective or Hope has studied it out. And it's

just, it's cool to be able to start the conversation as well. And that's it for today. We are still working on our merch page. So, yeah. It's down still? Yeah. It's been a project. But it's been being worked on. Sorry about that, people. It is in the works.

But once we do, we'll have that up and going. We'll have a new graphic and have our hat attached to it too. Awesome blossom. That'll be fun so if you can't if you really want merch all you have to do is hop on a flight if you're too far away get in your car and come here on sunday and it'll be available for you and you can walk home with it and you can walk home with it walk drive fly train whatever. Whatever means of transportation they took here, let's let them take that same back.

Yeah, exactly. Don't force them to walk there, girl. I mean, it might be good for some people to get. Pastor Tom walks like three hours a day. You know how far you can get with three hours? Well, he's kind of slow. Oh, okay. He doesn't walk fast enough as far as I'm concerned.

That's true. He did say that the other day. Do you leave him in the dust? Yeah. Yeah. But when you're walking three hours, you're burning so many calories. You don't have to walk fast. No.

No, absolutely. But he ain't going very far, girl. Okay. Okay. He's lucky if he can make it to the Publix and back in that three hours. Oh, my gosh. I'm just saying. And now that the dog's on a leash, it's even worse.

Oh, Addie. On a leash everywhere he goes because he's got to stop and sniff. Everything. Everything. Until he gets into the woods. Sweet puppy. Yes. Sweet dog.

A little bit of a maniac yes sweet dog so really quick for the people who do not know because they weren't able to see your videos which i was at my mom's yesterday because we went uh to lunch and to do a little bit of shopping yeah i got nothing she did though but um it would have been more fun if i found something but it really wasn't about me it was really about her oh that's so sweet you're so selfless i am kind not really i did look i didn't see anything believe me i was scoping things out yeah i couldn't find nothing but it was really all about her but whatever yeah so i was able to show my mom Sarah's. I was like, oh, mom, you got to see Sarah's thingy. It's hilarious.

And then voila, I see that Vanessa's posted something, which was even funny. And then, which they both are nuts, so it's always going to be funny. And then Sarah did something again. So my mom was like, even on the way here, or I was, whatever, it wasn't on the way here, but in the car today when I was talking to her, she was like, those were so funny. They're hilarious.

I'm like, I know. So catch everybody up for the ones that didn't get to see your stuff. How you doing? How was the first day? Vanessa, you screwed up big time. Day one, I overdosed. How?

I'm literally teaching people how to do this. I know you bought it and you don't know how to use it. And I overdosed. And I was thinking, like 10 minutes into it, I was like, wow, this is working really fast. Like I'm feeling things already. Sure enough, I had a whole teaspoon. Like, I'm feeling things already. Sure enough. I had a whole teaspoon. I watched you take it.

Yeah. I know. I was thinking, man, Sarah didn't do that right. She should have taken more. But in all actuality, because Sarah's was out first. Yes. Then Vanessa's. And then you realize, no, Sarah knows how to read directions and vanessa obviously

does not or it's her what is it esc is that what it is yeah esl and maybe a little bit of that isn't there an esc whatever she doesn't know her metrics in any kind of form. Okay. So you felt not good. Not good. I, my head hurt. My, my stomach was doing all types of noises. It was, I was unwell. Um, Tracy came over last night real quick and my hair was out to here. Like, she's like, you look like it's day one. It was like a fast, not a parasite cleanse. Some kind of like detox. I'm like, wow. That's how I feel

on a fast. My third day, I'm like... Today is better. I woke up, I took my half teaspoon, I did what I was supposed to do. I feel better. Hot diggity. Okay, Sarah. So did you not take any more after that teaspoon?

That was it? Yeah, because she would have killed herself by the night. We would have overdosed on parasite cleansing, and we already did. But I don't know if they have a shock treatment to wake somebody up from that. You know how they shoot, what is that stuff that they shoot in you to get you?

Narcan. They don't have narcan for parasite cleanses oh my gosh you've been gone girl okay sarah go ahead do you think i just i didn't actually do the right amount i was like i'm just doing a dropper full because i feel like they should make it so that that's one dose but it's not so I measured it later and it's like Tracy was correct it's like three dropper fulls is a half a teaspoon so I did like another quarter teaspoon later anyways and then I did a half a teaspoon at night but during the day um I just was like groggy and like tired, like, tired and, like, everything hurt. But I've also been working out, so it could be that my muscles were sore from that, too.

I was getting little, like, weird pains, and I kept thinking, like, I got one behind my eye, and I'm like, oh, there's one dying right there. And then my stomach was like. They're screaming. That's never. I've never heard that sound from my stomach before. So. Oh, that's funny. Day two. That sounds like Jurassic Park.

You know, in Jurassic Park. They're really mad. When they're being eaten by that one thing and they're screaming. Yeah. Oh, man. But we're still on Parasite Watch. Yeah. Parasite Watch.

Oh, yeah. Interesting. I'm like looking in all, I'm like, my eye, I'm like, would they come out of my eyes? They could, orifices. Would they come out of my ear holes? No, they do not. Oh, anywhere.es would they come out of my ear no they do not oh anywhere i mean tracy do you want to bring up the x-ray again do you want to see the brain do you want to see the brain okay all right i'm just saying i don't care about the x-ray it

says orifices i mean vanessa have you have you read that they come out of people's eyes i didn't know they came out of your nose i experienced experienced them coming out of my nose. That makes complete sense. You're blowing. Okay. Like, do you understand? You have to cry. Imagine a little one like slithering. Oh my gosh. I mean, that's just so disgusting. That is so disgusting. I don't think they come out of your eyes. Okay. Don't listen to them. They don't even know the amounts to take. We have no idea what we're doing. Please not follow what we do go see go see natalie your mom is like they came out of vanessa's nose yes mom yes that actually happened that was the truth but like listen if you're gonna do this right like little okay they're little or they are not little come on i just saw i just saw that you know how people

eat those roman noodles ramen noodles thank you ramen noodles and what's in those ramen noodles oh oops have you ever watched a thing on what's in ramen noodles wait no are you kidding me no i'm not kidding everybody we love ramen you don't want. You don't want to eat it after you look at that. Then I won't watch it. Don't watch it. Okay, I won't. Thank God I don't have it. Have you had it?

Sarah, you were shaking your head yes. Have you ever seen the video? What is it? When they take a package of ramen noodles and put it, they just take a little chunk and they put it under a microscope. Have you guys never seen this? No, but you can put anything under your, because you can take something off your finger and it would have.

No, they use tweezers. Trust me on this. Like how big? Right now, I encourage you, look it up. Okay, I'm going to. Yeah, and you guys can look at it. I do not want to see it. I don't want anybody.

I'll play it live on Wednesday. Come back Wednesday. I'm just saying, parasites are in our bodies. Oh, yeah. And I think it's because when I'm doing searches, because I've talked about parasites, this thing, the algorithms. Oh, yeah. For sure.

Now I'm like, all these bugs are popping up everywhere on all these advertisements on commercial. You're looking even when you're going to do your emails and they have those commercials going off to the side. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying. Listen, I'm just saying if you boil ramen noodles, it's probably fine. Well, yeah.

Because it dies. It's in. Or just do a parasite cleanse and then you eat them and then they die. Listen, or you make peace with them or you ask the Lord. Like you can just say jesus thank you for taking care of me actually emma told us that what our kidneys what what filters out parasites liver our liver so you don't have to do anything giving us a lecture this is my daughter my 13 year old daughter yeah giving us a lecture because she's like mom you

have a liver your liver cleanses you and detoxifies your body. Yeah, so you don't have to do this. Well, apparently the lady who ate the bad pork, her liver was not operating properly because it did not filter out. Okay, but there was more to the story. I read the caption underneath. It said raw pork. She ate raw bad pork. There was a word before that, raw. So maybe don't do that too.

Maybe don't eat raw. What would make you want to eat a piece of raw pork? I know. I've known people who eat raw bacon now. What are you thinking? That's disgusting. Yeah. Raw steak, raw beef.

No, let's not. Let's not. Let's just eat. Let's cook our food. And then you just thank you, Jesus, for taking care of us. And then that's it. Or you can do fun parasite cleanse every once in a while and just see what happens.

Be on Parasite Watch. None of those appeal to me. Not a one of those appeal to me. Whatever. Oh, I do have to say, we're not going to post the picture but if cindy's watching yeah she is oh my gosh girl yeah oh my gosh your hair yeah it looks fantastic now it's so jolene knocked it out of the park oh it's jolene it was jolene knocked it out of the park i told the girls'm like, because all of us were talking about her.

Yeah. In a good way. I'm like, she looks younger. I know. I didn't even recognize her. It's unbelievable. It's amazing how a haircut can just radically change your appearance yeah like face shape and everything like bangs bang vanessa we're not gonna talk about that although i love you with bangs i know i think

it's adorable i thought it was so cute you know what it is i have curly hair and i know it's just more work is it hard to do it with curly hair it. Just to keep them straight and like siled. Because when you hit the humidity, they want to go bing, right? Yeah, that's rough. I love bangs. Bangs don't love me. Yeah, you look great with bangs. I'm just saying, Cindy looks amazing. She does.

She said thank you in Spanish. She said gracias. Thank you. I know that. I know that word. I don't know many Spanish words. That one I got. Sorry to the Spanish community, but your language is not one that I appreciate or love. Oh, my gosh.

I don't. Do you know why? Why? Because I failed it. Yeah. I'm resentful of that Spanish language. I can't get it for nothing. I know. I tried so hard, too, and I didn't get it either. I can't. But, I mean, I of that Spanish language. I can't get it for nothing. I know.

I tried so hard to, and I didn't get it either. I can't. But, I mean, I think it's beautiful. Yeah. But I don't appreciate it at all. I can't appreciate anything I can't do. That makes sense. But, oh, my gosh.

It just frustrates me so. But it's beautiful. I love. I do, too. I love the Spanish language. Yeah. Same. People always think it's the French.

I don't. I mean, French is pretty, but Spanish is like very. It's the R's. It is. That's exactly what I was thinking in my head. It's the role of the R's. It's true. And then there's other languages that are just so irritating when you hear them. You may love the people.

Like what? I'm not saying one of them. But every time I'm hearing it, I'm like, it's not pretty. It's not a pretty language. But listen, people in other countries, they countries they listen to us americans and like i know you guys sound annoying yeah that's what i was gonna say annoying because we have which they do too because there's dialects in other countries right i mean other part you you can be from one specific like if you go to italy they if you go to southern italy it has a different

dialect than just like if you go to the south in America, we southerners, we don't sound the same as somebody that's, you know, an upper east coast, you know, Maine. Well, Maine does pretty much. But if you're going to Boston, Massachusetts, places like that, New England area. I forgot about it. They don't even sound like people from New York or New Jersey.

Do you know what I'm saying? Even people from New Jersey don't sound like from New York. So we all have our own little, which can be annoying to different countries. I'm sure they're like, oh, gosh. I get it. Yeah. Don't be offended because I'm not offended. I know.

It's all good. I had to get rid of a country twang. Yeah. Don't be offended. Yeah. Cause I got made fun of. So now I sound like a Northerner. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. I don't sound country. All right. Anybody got anything to add ladies about your parasite cleanse about life in general, about what you're doing this weekend? Nobody's got anything good going on, right? I got 24 minutes. Almost, almost 25. Yeah doing this weekend. Nobody's got anything good going on, right? I got 24 minutes, almost 25.

Yeah, let's do this. Because Tracy's going to kill me. All right, let's do it. First question, I really wanted to join the hub groups, but evening classes are tough for my work schedule. I started thinking about starting my own group. Do you think it's a good idea? How do I know if I'm ready to start a home hub group?

This is such a fantastic question because I am telling you right now, there's lots of people who want to start something. They have no business even doing it because they don't understand what the word of God says. And it is very clear about the level of responsibility that you carry when you lead people. And just because you, I like, I read this question and I was like, God bless. God bless this person that you're smart enough to ask it. It's rough when there's not like the work schedule makes it rough. So if you work at night, then you can't go to the ones in the evening. If you work in the day and you're a guy, then we really, I mean, if you work at night, then you have the day. But if you're a guy, we really don't have any guy hub groups.

If you're a girl, we got plenty in the day. There's lots of women who do Bible studies during the week. So you have options there, but depending on the time they are, it might not work either. So I do get that schedules are tough and people have to figure out which ones they're going to attend.

But listen, we have so many. We have so many groups just under the church alone. There's got to be one, somehow, some way that you can work your schedule around. Unless you do want to start one, but let's make it very clear what the qualifications are or where you should be at. And do you really want to undertake this responsibility before you move forward with putting one out there. So let's read 1 Timothy 3.6.

New King James Version says, Not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride, he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. So a novice has no business, and a novice is somebody who's new in the faith. And I would even say there are people who've been saved for 10 years and they're still a novice. You know why they're novice? Because they don't know the word. It's like what Paul said, you're still on milk when you should be on meat, right? Just because you've been,

you could say, I've been saved for 20 years. Great. What do you know? What have you done with that 20 years while you've been saved? You can still be a novice. So just because there's a certain amount of times. And then there's people who've been saved for one, two years. And in that one, two years, they've been they've done far more studying, knowing the word, living a holy lifestyle, chasing after God than people have been 5, 10, 15, 20. I mean, I literally know that. Are they a novice? Probably not after the first year because they literally know the word

and live by the word more than people who've been for a longer period of time. So I wouldn't say novice is based on the number of years of being saved. It's based on the knowledge of the word and how you live it out. Okay. And that doesn't mean that you're perfect. That just means that what you're trying to do is chase after the word of God, live the word of God, not being a hearer of it, but being a doer of it, applying it, and then also sharing it with others on a day-to-day basis, which will lead you to being able to share it with a group setting where you're the leader of that group. But let's look at what Perry Stone says about that scripture. It says the Greek word for novice is neophutus, from two words, neos, meaning new, and phuo, meaning a plant or a new plant.

This refers to a new Christian or a new convert and can also refer to an old plant transplanted in a new garden. The admonition advises against placing a new convert to leisure positions. The phrase lifted up with pride comes with the Greek word to phio and means to be covered in smoke or puffed up. The imagery is that the person is unable to see or think clearly. The English word typhoon is derived from this Greek word, which is interesting. An inexperienced person in leadership may make wrong decisions that would create chaos or turmoil in the church or ministry. See it all the time. I will say, we've only experienced it a few times in this church.

We have lots of people, and it's so weird that I don't know. I was looking at this question, and it seems like for the past three or four podcasts, something like this has been brought up where we're talking about people gossiping or people doing things or leading people. I mean, I'm like, what in the world is going on? Seriously, you have to say, is God doing something? Is there something going on that we don't know behind the scenes? Yeah, I know. I know.

Like, and God is like, there's somebody either in this church that is doing, I literally am thinking, is there somebody in this church that watches this podcast that has stepped out and done something that they shouldn't have done and God's trying to convict them and correct them? Or is there somebody watching this podcast that goes to a different church that is doing the same thing? Or is there somebody that's wanting to do this and God's trying to lead them in a direction so they don't fall prey to something? Four sessions in a row, podcast. This is not by accident that we're talking about this. It's crazy. I know. I have not made these questions up. Right.

Right. Yeah. But I was thinking about this. I'm like, this is nuts. Yeah. Because the responsible. Sorry, guys. Jamie, if you're watching, your son just walked into the church. Norma's little boyfriend,

Jagger. Very tall. Yeah, very tall. He's not little. Very tall, little. So, I don't know. It just blows my mind. So, listen, you may not think this is you, but maybe you need to think. Maybe you need to stop and say, is this me? Is God trying to tell me something? Okay? Because it's crazy. Now, we have lots of hub groups in this church. And Tom is extremely careful, and he basically interviews pretty much everybody that runs a hug group before

they run the hug group for the most part. They go, I would, I would say kind of a, they go through an interview process. And even in that interview process, in some cases, things that, um, things that might be a concern or not a concern or whatever are brought to light just so we can make sure that we're all on the same page of things. And or maybe you hear something and so you want to address maybe what you've heard to maybe find out if there needs to be correction in that or maybe they're not capable of fulfilling that role. Does that make sense?

Yes. Okay. in that or maybe they're not capable of fulfilling that role does that make sense yes okay just because you want to do just because you want to lead a group does not mean you should lead a group right it doesn't mean that and it has to sit well with the holy spirit with tom who is extremely discerning and that people may question that go ahead i don't care but it's so funny because everybody who leaves this church tom almost always says they're gonna leave like so i believe that he's discerning like he can call them out and it never it's not surprising to me like months in advance he can say i sense this is going to happen with these people it always does it's never not happened wow it's never not happened. Wow. It's never not happened so far. It's crazy. So he's very

discerning in that. And I will say this, if you want to do a hub at this church, just because maybe you've made a mistake or maybe you have a concern about something in your life or whatever, that doesn't disqualify you. What needs to happen is, is where are we at with that particular situation or whatever the case may be? Let's discuss it. Let's figure it out. Maybe you can, maybe you can't. So, but don't be offended if you're told no.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Don't be, because I will tell you, there's a lot of no's. Yeah. But it's for the good of the person, not because we're trying to hold somebody back. And there have been people that have been told no, and then they end up being a period of time later that it's a yes.

Just depends. So let me just tell you this. if you're going to lead any group, there's a level of responsibility. When you teach, you preach, you are accountable for the lives that God is entrusting you with. And if you step out and you're not called to do this, now you're responsible for the lives that you weren't called, but you just took it upon yourself to lead. And God's not in that. So be careful and make sure that's what he's supposed to do. We have a lot of Bible studies that actually are outside of this church, that people that attend this church, they've created their own with their friends or felt the need for one, and they took it upon themselves to start a Bible study. kudos to you. Like if God's told you to do it. If he has not, maybe you

need to rethink it and not do it. And one of the ways you'll know if you're not supposed to be doing it, I have made a list and we'll hit that list. And if those things are going on in your Bible study, or if you start a Bible study and they begin to happen and you can't stop it, then you need to step down and not lead the Bible study because you're going to be held accountable for it because you are the leader. And it's dangerous. People don't understand.

You need to read the Word, and you will be held accountable for every single thing that we do, especially when you're leading others. Because when we lead people astray, God or Jesus said that it's a millstone will be tied around your neck and it'll be thrown into the into the sea. OK, I don't know about if you guys know what a millstone is, but it ain't good. It's what they would crush grain with and a donkey would have to walk it around. It's heavy. It's big. It's concrete. Yeah.

You don't want that. And so basically that's what Jesus said, if anybody leads anybody astray. Right. He said a little child, but to him were all his children. So better be careful. Hebrews 13, 17 says, Obey those who rule over you and be submissive for they watch out for your souls as those who must give an account. So you will give an account for the souls that you're being entrusted with.

Let them do so with joy and not with grief for that for that would be unprofitable for you. So if you can't submit, then you shouldn't lead. Ever. And I always say this, like, oh, we've had people, for example, when we put the new carpet in into the sanctuary, if you went around and you looked at our floor and the sanctuary, we've asked people to only bring water in. And if you bring anything else in, please put a cover on it. But we really don't want coffee and everything else. People were super nasty when we first moved into the building. We asked no one to bring in coffee or whatever.

You would think people can live without some kind of liquid for about two and a half hours. But apparently you've asked them to go into the desert and they are no longer allowed to get any type. They're going to start hallucinating. And they're going to see mirages. If they can't bring their water or their coffee or some kind of drink in with them,

they're going to die. People were so nasty. Then we had this one family where that was not going to happen. This family wanted to be, you know, in leadership to a certain extent. And the husband ended up saying to me, she's bringing in her coffee. She doesn't care what you guys say. Like she's bringing in her coffee. And I basically said, oh, that's good to know.

I appreciate you letting me know that because guess what? She'll never move up in ministry in this church. And he was like, what? I'm like, if you cannot submit to what somebody's asking you to for the well-being, I mean, this is the house of the Lord. If you looked at our floor and you saw the stains on the concrete, I can't tell you what the floor looked like before. We would have to pull up carpet tiles because people were so disrespectful and chose to bring in their coffee and spill it. Never told a single solitary soul it was spilt. We would have to find it. But they would be nasty if you couldn't bring in their coffee.

I'm like, it's coffee, people. It's like, you know, come on. It's not heroin, but they acted like it was. I mean, come on. And so I said, that's good to know, because if she can't submit to a simple task of not bringing in coffee and submit to that authority, then no one will ever listen to her if she's put into leadership. No one will submit to her. You get back the seeds that you plant.

You seed, you plant a seed of being a person that will not submit. When you need to have, when you're in leadership and you need people to submit to you, guess what's going to happen? It's not going to happen. People will not submit to you. You've planted that seed of being an unsubmissive person. So you have to do it, whether you like it or not. Submission is important. Paul said we are to submit to our authorities and our leadership. And we, as believers, everything's about submission. As women, we submit to our husbands. But it says that our husbands are to submit to us. We're to submit ourselves to one another. So if you can't do that, don't be in leadership. Ezekiel 3, 17 through 19 says, Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel.

Therefore, hear a word from my mouth and give them warning from me. When I say to the wicked, you shall surely die and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way to save his life. The same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. Are you, when you are leading people, are you giving them the full gospel? You'll be held accountable.

Yet if you warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity, but you have delivered your soul. So when you lead a group, you better be able to do the hard things. You better be able to say the hard stuff. One of the things that Tom gets critiqued on the most

is because he's such a person of full gospel. He doesn't just speak the blessings of God, but he also speaks of, if you live like this, you'll not inherit the kingdom of heaven. He talks about the sin that'll keep you from. People think it's terrible. They think it's horrible. We had somebody come in here with their girlfriend. It's two lesbians. They came in here and they thought, they said another mega church that wants to be like Greg Glock and, um, uh, what did they say? And condemn people, I think is something along the lines, not condemning anybody, not condemning anybody. Nobody, they wanted to come in, and this is what they said. We wanted to come in and hear a good message that made us feel good about our lives. And it was, I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what they said.

How can we make you feel good about being a homosexual? But lots of churches will, and you'll feel very comfortable and very content in that lifestyle. The problem is, is that pastor will be held account, Ezekiel 3, 17 through 19. That's where he's going to be held accountable. Are you willing to put yourself in that position where you're going to be held accountable for the lies? Because Ezekiel is very clear. You got to say the tough things. You got to say the tough things. You got to do the tough stuff. And that's when even when people hate you, like Jesus, they left him.

You got to be willing for everybody to leave you and be okay with that. Because you got to do the tough stuff. And all the good stuff too. Because there's a lot of great stuff. But the tough stuff is very difficult. And a lot of great stuff. But the tough stuff is very difficult. And a lot of people aren't willing to do that. So, okay, let me see. Okay, so one of the things that I put in my notes is you can't set people up to fail.

And that's one of the reasons why Tom is extremely careful about who he allows to lead hub groups. Because you can't set them up to fail. You want to help them be successful. It's like when he's told people no. And then later on, they're now ready. There's always a preparation time. Jesus didn't start ministry when he was 13. He started it when he was 30, approximately.

He said he grew in stature and in wisdom. Obviously, as he grew in height, he also grew in wisdom. That means Jesus was being prepared for ministry through the wisdom that he gained. All of us need to be prepared. We can't just, oh, we just newly get saved, so let's boom, let's get out there. It's to me, people get so frustrated because they get saved, they get on fire for God, and now they want to be used, right? But you're not ready. You're excited.

You're hyped up because you're like finally where you've wanted to be. That doesn't mean you're ready to go into ministry though. And it is very, very dangerous. And I know it's frustrating. I've been there to want to get out there and do things for the Lord, but it is not wise and it is not safe for you to do that. I don't care what kind of ministry that entails. I mean, even is from singing worship

on the worship team. Just because you want to sing, be on the worship team doesn't mean you make the worship team. Because the worst thing you can do for somebody who's newly saved or new on their walk is put them on the worship team. Or is even a young person, even a young person put them on the worship team that spiritually isn't ready because it will puff your head up. I have seen some of the worst attitudes and the worst people who do people who can sing and play instruments are some of the most egotistical people I've ever met in my life. And Vanessa's like, what? What are you talking about? It's true. I've even seen it on our worship team. I'm ashamed to say it. Does it happen very often? No, because those kinds of people normally don't make it. They usually walk away. But have I seen

some people that have been on our worship team have moments of like this. Mm-hmm, I have. And I don't like it, but God works on them and fixes them. And they always come back around. I will say that. But I have seen it. And it's not good. So let me keep going

because I got five minutes. Let me keep going. Let me keep going because I got five minutes. Let me keep going. Let me keep going. Okay, the other thing is, is this. I will say this. There's, if you are, if you went and taught outside of, if you go to this church,

but you have a Bible study outside of this, the church, and it's not labeled a hub, then this is irrelevant. You can do whatever you want. But if you were in our church and were under the church's hub names, then what we can't have happen is, and this is one of the reasons we do the interview process, is because when you're a novice, some of the things that you don't know, you don't know.

And so one of the things that would be't know, you don't know. And so one of the things that would be, you could call us confusion in the body. One, I'll give you two examples that I thought of. One is speaking in tongues. You don't believe in speaking in tongues because you don't have the revelation knowledge that they exist today. But you're going to teach, well, that was for back then. That really doesn't exist today. Well, you're completely wrong. But you don't know the book of Acts and you don't know that Paul was speaking in tongues well after, you know, after everybody else had gone and passed and passed Pentecost and all this other stuff. So you think that died at Pentecost. No, that's not true. Paul clearly says that he speaks in tongues and he encourages us to speak more than him.

So again, not knowing the word, but you'll cause confusion in the body by you saying one thing because that's what you truly believe. And probably it's partly because it intimidates you and you don't have a full knowledge of the whole topic. And now you got people that are like, maybe it isn't for, maybe I shouldn't be speaking in tongues, or maybe I am confused or whatever. You could get somebody who is new in their faith all messed up. Another one is healing. That God doesn't heal

every time. If it's God's will, he heals. We have had people who want to teach or even lay hands on people, prayer team. If you want to be on the prayer team, you go through an interview process with that. It starts out with the leadership who oversees that. You do an interview process with them, and then it comes up to us, the next level, and then we say yes or no to them being on the prayer team. Because we're not going to have people laying hands on people who believe in God's will. We don't believe God's will. We believe that it is his will every time to heal because that's what the Bible says.

Not it's, I don't know, sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. Do you understand? Does that make sense how confusing it can be? And that's why you can't just let anybody and everybody lead a group. Very dangerous. It's dangerous for the church body and leadership who they allow if they are not on the same page. A house divided cannot stand.

I see that Sarah has something in her brain. Do you have something in your brain that you want to say? Yes. So back to what you were talking about with milk and meat that scripture in hebrews if you think about it this way that like milk is soothing and comforting and easy to digest and meat requires a little bit of work and it's and it will sustain you, that's a good way to think about if you're always looking for something to make you feel good about the way that you're living,

then you know that you're looking for milk as opposed to meat. And the word of righteousness is a huge part, like how to live in righteousness and the fact that we've already been given that through the blood. That's a big part of moving from milk into meat. And the digestive process for meat is much tougher on the stomach than it is milk. Right. And, you know, unless I find, I find that it's very difficult for people to, people don't want to do the hard stuff. Yeah. And digesting some stuff is not easy.

But it is a must. Yeah. It is a must. So let me hit, because I got less than a minute, and I want to, that's okay. You're good. Yeah.

No, we're going to keep going. I mean, I'm going to get it done as fast to this as I can possibly can. Yeah. So let me just say this. If you have an independent Bible study, whether it's a part of this church,

I mean, not a part of this church, whether you attend this church or you attend another, and I am hitting, um, some things that are kind of making you, eh, well, I'm just, I'm going to give, I'm going to speak directly to you right now. Okay, so if you have a Bible study that's independent of your church, I'm going to give you a list of things that if this is going on in your Bible study,

then you either need to step down from leadership or you need to take the bull by the horns and get rid of it. Because if you can't, you need to understand you're accountable and it's a big deal. It's a very big deal. Study the word and you'll find out what I'm telling you. And I'm only saying this out of love for you. I mean this completely out of love. It's a big deal if this is going on in your Bible study and you do not take care of it and you're the leader. Okay? We never tell anybody they can't do their own Bible studies when we hear about them. Even if we find out that there's gossip going on about the church or about other people in the church.

Because we usually find out what's going on in different Bible studies. We always do. I don't know how. God is very good. He will. He's very good. But so we never tell anybody that they can't do one. It's not our business.

That's their business, whatever. It's all on them. You'll be held accountable and we won't. So it's not that we don't care. It's just we can't care because we can't put out every fire. It's not our business. That's God's business.

So if your Bible study becomes a gossip session, becomes a time for drama, non-biblical truths being shared without giving correction. So what I mean by that is if you're a leader and you see people in your group gossiping about, it doesn't even need to be about people in the church or leadership. They're just gossiping in general. If you don't stop that for their sake, you're a bad leader. I have to, when people cuss around me, I have to say like, okay, you're a bad leader. I have to, when people cuss around me,

I have to say, like, okay, you're a Christian. You really shouldn't be saying that. I mean, do you think I like that? I absolutely do not. But I'm in leadership. God has put me there. And I have to do that for their sake. I try to do it as nicely as I possibly can.

But you think you will say, well, I know some people that you know that cuss. And I don't know if you would say that to them. I have. I have. It's not always comfortable. But I have. And then I let God deal with it. Okay.

If you see people doing drama, drama is good for nobody. You need to stop it. Leadership controls the attendees that have been put in place for them. If you are called to do this, then God has allowed people to attend your group. You should control that group. And that doesn't mean you hold them hostage and you, you like, like monitor every word that they say. That's not what I'm saying to you, but you have to be able to lead, guide and direct them. And at that point, when you're in that leadership position to a

degree, you're a shepherd of that flock and you as the shepherd are responsible for them, their safety and keeping them in line. That's what the if you ever study what the staff does that the shepherd carries, you need to because it has multi purposes. And I don't have time or I would tell you what it is. You can't have a dysfunctional group. And we hear about it all the time. People talk. Guys, people talk. You may not think so, but they do.

And it may not be that we know it now, but it always comes out eventually. And the Holy Spirit is very good about that. So, make sure that if you're wanting to do this, whoever wrote this, make sure you aren't a people pleaser and that you have a strong fortitude,

that you can face confrontation, you can build people up because we are to build each other up on our most holy faith, that you know the word of God. What are you laughing at over there? Yes, tell me. They're just comments,

ideas for different hub groups. I have one coming up that people are clamoring for, but I've been waiting for two years for it. Okay. I bet it's not this one. No, it's not this one.

What's this one? No. Well, the thing is, the thing is, Tracy, I can hear you now. Biblical cosmology. Biblical cosmology. Yeah. What the heck is that? Flat earth. That's not what we want to have a Bible hub about that conversation. And it's never going to happen. Whoever wants that, you need to understand. And I'm dead serious about this. I know you are. And that's the reason why you didn't want to tell me. Yes, this is why. We're never going to do that.

And the reason why is because not heaven and hell, and it will cause a whole bunch of dissension and strife. If Greg Locke and whoever that other guy didn't show us something, there's nothing good that comes from it, and Tom will not allow it. Not allow it. Anything that comes from it and Tom will not allow it. Not allow it. Anything that will cause division and strife and I hope you hear the tone in my voice because I'm dead serious about it. Don't

pursue it. It's not good. It is not good and it doesn't matter. I know it matters to some people but go out there and win the lost. That's way more important. And maybe you are. I know it matters to some people, but go out there and win the lost. That's way more important. And maybe you are. I applaud you then. But the rest of it doesn't need to be. It doesn't need to be. I just had somebody else come to me about something else that's not flat

earth, but that somebody else is teaching that's very similar to that. And they're all perplexed by it. Rightfully so to a certain extent. What does it do though? Nada. It does nothing. And all that did was distract this person for a period of time wondering about different things that maybe not that they know to be true. But it will not help them disciple and win others to Christ. And if it doesn't do that, then we don't need it. And I hope to God nobody starts doing one of those privately in this church.

It will not go over well. That one won't go over well. I can promise you that. Tom does not like that stuff. We've never seen that work out well when that topic is brought up and other topics are brought up that are so divisive. We've never seen it gone well. It'd be better just to stay away from it.

It doesn't matter. It does matter to some people because they think it's a bigger deal. And I get that. But it's... You keep first things first. First things first first things first at the end of the day it's not going to convince somebody whether jesus is lord of their life or it's not and that's really what it's all about everything else is a distraction and we cannot especially now we cannot be distracted by silliness. And that's not to say that if you're a round earther versus a flat earther,

one of them is more silly than the other. I personally could give a rip which one it is. I don't care. Nobody's dying. I mean, listen, people will say, well, and I have heard somebody say this to me, well, it's kind of like covid because covid's a lie and they believe in in flat earth i'm like flat flat earth i understand that maybe that round earth versus flat earth there's one that's a lie covid killed people though okay flat earth does

not kill people and there is a difference and covid is sending people to um where we're going to have a one world global government flat earth is not it's true let's not it doesn't matter yep i'm like perspective and that's what bothers me about all of this stuff and then those two men getting in a knockdown drag out, like they behaved was not good for the body. And we're not going to have that in this church. It is not good for the body. It will divide before it unites is not good.

I'm done. I'm even done with the subject, but I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, no, that's good. Address it. You just,

you just proved what this whole message was about, which is if something comes up and it doesn't sit right in your spirit, you're going to have to confront things and you just did exactly what you preached. I don't like it. I don't like that. But here's the thing.

I love whoever brought that up. I'm sure I love them dearly. You do. But the thing is, is this, huh? I don't. You do. You do very much. Yeah.

But the thing is, is people who've never been in leadership, they do not understand the level of things and how far they can go. Exactly. Yeah. And that's your job. And you did it. I know. Welcome to the Hope Hotline.

We're going to close out because it's now nine minutes after and she has somewhere to go. Love you guys. See you on Wednesday. Bye. Thank you.