The Hope Hotline - When Intimidation Keeps You Silent Pt.2

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

When Intimidation Keeps You Silent Pt.2

And if anybody has been paying attention to the very thing that you know we're going to talk about, because we've been talking about it from the moment I walked into the room, you know. I mean, it's like breaking news. Yeah, but more than likely everybody knows because, I mean, this is way more important than the Charlie Kirk trial. Apparently it is. But it's funny. We met with Alexis for lunch and we were like, oh, yeah, Lindsay. She's like, who's that?

Alexis, your daughter? So there's people that are like... That's flipping. But you know, look at her age. Oh, yeah. She probably doesn't even know about the Charlie Kirk trial. No, probably not. Yeah.

So like that doesn't surprise me. Now you talk to... But it's all over social. Like, I mean, I guess once you get on the algorithm though, it's not getting off of the boat. That is true. You're stuck with it. Like, I'm just thinking like anybody who's, I don't know, 28 plus knows about it. The odds are.

Odds are. Male or female. I mean, maybe 25. But the odds are, 25 and older, but later 20s. Because even at 25, your life is still pretty full of, like, ripping and running and doing the things that, you know, are, you don't want to know about this kind of stuff just yet. Even at 25, you're like, I got, there's more fun out there in the world than to pay attention to this stuff, you know? Which I do not disagree. Can I go back to 25?

I know, right? I'm kidding. But like I just was getting my life right with God at 25. That's crazy. Thank you, Jesus. Oh. But this is crazy. It is crazy.

Okay, so in case people, today was a wild scene in the courtroom. Oh, my gosh. As far as all over the place. So if anybody doesn't know, they ruled it a what today? A mistrial. A mistrial. So how did they come to the terms? of the mistrial because you're going to break it down from scene to scene to scene.

I know part of it, but you actually know what that judge, that retired judge was saying. And I want to, like, that's, it's great information to know. Like what you just told me about that judge and how it'll probably play out for her, which I didn't know. I mean, I know, because I've been watching it this morning all the way up until 1 o'clock when it was heavily leaning. meaning that it was going to be ruled a mistrial, but they were still trying to fight for the chance for them to go back.

Right. Or to remove that one juror so that they could try. But go ahead. Start from when they came today. Well, and the one thing the judge did say today was that he didn't want to, and both sides, all sides were like, we don't want to come too close to the jurors to, like, force them to make a decision and manipulate this in any way, shape, or form. However, there is a law that has to be followed.

So that got brought up again. And Reddington really wanted the judge to, like, be very hard on the jurors and make them really understand. And then the judge got really frustrated. And he's like, how else do you want me to say it? I said it exactly how it needs to be said. I said the law. I said what the rules are. And he's like, I'm not an actor.

How do you want me to do this? And Redington's like, well, you just said it soft. And I wanted you to not say it softly. Because he's not a soft person himself. And that's how he's gotten to where he's at right now where they are torn. Boston, you just say it. You just say it. Don't, don't. But there's like a soft side, like new Massachusetts is very liberal. And then the old school guys who've been in this thing forever are definitely tough. Like they just say what they say. They're not going to easily offended. Like Reddington's going to go home today and be annoyed. But he's going to probably eat dinner with his wife and joke about something else, you know? I don't know. He might be drinking a lot tonight. I don't know. I don't know if that's actually true. Some of, well, Because that's,

that, this is a tough pill to swallow. I mean, he literally laid it all out. Yeah, no, he did. It is,

is not complicated. I mean, this is really not, if you're a juror. This is not complicated. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see

because every time, well, maybe because he felt like he was winning, but every time after every case when people went interview him, he,

like, he just wants to like talk about life and talk about what's going on. And he's, I don't know. It's definitely different. We'll find out. We'll find out today.

When every juror but one has the same. Okay. When I heard that it was only one holding out and everybody else came to the same conclusion. Right. Right. You basically have a unanimous decision, a conclusion. Whether it be murder of whatever degree, which there was two. Right.

We don't know. Or acquittal. Everybody but one is in agreement. Yep. Like, if I was him, he has obviously proven the case either for acquittal, or he's proven it where the state has proven their case where she murdered. Right. Like, this is ridiculous.

I'd be furious if I was him. Yeah. Going home and wanting to drink. I mean. I know. It'll be interesting. Because I wasn't saved. It's kind of like the football games, too.

Like, you think they'd be so upset after a Super Bowl when they lose. But they make a lot of money. Right. And he, and actually not, he did. Well, no. Did he go pro bono? So mom said that typically, she heard somewhere down the line that he usually makes about 800K a year. And with this bonus or this, this situation, he was only going to make like 100K this year. So I don't know how those numbers all equal out. But yes, it must have sound like he did something like this is either pro bono or a very discounted rate or whatever.

Because he leaves so strongly in it. He does. But he, listen, I mean, the man's 70 years old. Okay. Like you're making $800,000 a year. Right. You have a nice little savings account. I'm sure of that. So taking less. And also, the truth of the matter is, is this case just got him more than $800K next year. Right. All of these people are reaching out to him. If he doesn't get sponsored endorsements for different products, I will be sorely amazed. Yes. I mean, just for doing commercial. Right. He's going to make a lot of money. Right. So what's interesting about this is, and I want to try to say it, like, to the best that I can to what I heard today. So how I was watching it was on YouTube and I was watching it. I don't know what his name is, but he's an MC and he loves like crime shows. And he brings on retired judges and an attorney that specifically deals with criminal cases and mental illness. So exactly who Reddington is as like what he's doing as the defense attorney. That's exactly the kind of attorney that was on. So he knows and they work in Massachusetts. So they know that law, which is important because every state has different rules. And so lots of lawyers don't really know all the rules. So it's important to do that in these cases. So the guy, the actual attorney, not the judge, the attorney said that if there was even an acquittal and Lindsay was found to be, they acquitted it. She still would have to go back into the mental hospital for six months due to Massachusetts law. And then they'd have to check her after the six months. They check her and they would decide if she, if there was acquittal, what her.

like what's going to look like go forward. She'd either have to go and get a checkup every single year or she'd have to stay in the psych ward longer. And so he said typically, in these cases that he does, which wasn't postpartum and stuff like that. It's usually like much deeper medical. A way different mental issue. Correct. Like schizophrenia and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And they, the the least amount of time that they've spent in a mental hospital after an acquittal was about six years, usually eight to ten, because they're not safe to society and they're not safe for themselves. Usually suicidal, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. So the chance of her, like, walking home, which obviously, I can't say that because that's sad. She's actually paralyzed. So the chance of her

just going home was not, that wasn't what was going to happen today, even if there was an acquittal. And he said, this is a different situation, obviously. She probably wouldn't be in as long, but it would be a long time to make sure that she was safe for herself and safe for others. So that was interesting because I didn't know that. And in the state of Massachusetts, it is a mandatory six months. So it was interesting. And the reason why the retired judge that I was watching, the reason he thought that Redington was so upset when that first question came up about,

can you please explain what reasonable doubt is? because we think that somebody has doubt, but they won't side with us, basically. Some way they asked that question made it very, very clear to Reddington that it was going to be an acquittal. And the judge said, and the attorney both said that when you're in the room and you look at the jurors, if you can read people at all, which when you're an attorney and a judge, you eventually learn how to read people, you can tell who feels sad for the victim, like whoever they feel like the victim is. And so they're very certain that Reddington could read the jurors the whole time and that it was very clear that majority of them felt bad for Lindsay. Really?

Mm-hmm. So that was another thing. So it was like all these things adding up to like why he was so frustrated and why he like did a Hill Mary, which was crazy. So basically what happens is the judges or the jurors. came back. They gave a piece of paper and they said with heavy hearts, we won't be able to make a decision today. So the judge heard out both sides, both lawyers and the lawyers did their best. And then he goes, okay, well, I hear you, but this is going to be a mistrial. And so Redington tried one more time, say something else. And he's like, no, this is a mistrial. Bring the jurors back in.

So then Reddington sits down and he puts all of his stuff like on the thing, on his paper. And then he grabs his phone and he puts his phone here and you can just tell like he's just contemplating. And I guess somebody asked him, do you have an emergency, like a backup plan? Yeah, when you put something into the system. Like I figure what that's called. But do you have any kind of emergency? And he's like, no, that's a waste of time. I'm not going to plan for that. So you could almost tell like he was sitting there and you could tell he was like frustrated and like thinking like, where's my Hail Mary? And then out of nowhere, he just stands up in court, which the jury, the jury, were coming in. And so he stands up and he's like, I want to file a motion. An emergency motion,

do you have something like that? And so he goes, I want to file a motion for the Supreme Court. Something with maybe like prejudice towards. Yes. Yeah, to handicap or somebody with that kind of condition. And then something else. And so the judge is like, well, when are you going to do this? And he was like, now today. And we'll meet tomorrow. He's like on a Saturday. He's like, if we have to. So it was very interesting. And then the judge was like, I'll give you an hour. And so Reddington went out, did whatever you do. And what's interesting because they asked the attorneys and the judges, like, so what are

the jurors doing right now? Because they were coming in. And all they know is that they sent a paper saying, like, sorry. And supposedly you're not supposed to tell them anything, right? So they really weren't supposed to be told anything. They were supposed to be ushered back into the room and sit and wait. And they don't know why they were sitting and waiting because the last. thing they did was hand of paper that said sorry. So we don't know, which is, and in Massachusetts,

there's no gag order. So when the jury comes out or the jurors come out, they can say whatever they want. And obviously there is concerns about the safety of this one juror. Some people think he's a hero. And some people want him to not be alive anymore. So. Which is completely ridiculous. Both sides. Absolutely crazy. Because like, I said to you, nobody actually knows he could have been the one that was holding out for the acquittal. Yeah. Nobody knows. Or he could have been, they all wanted her to have a higher degree of punishment. And he might have been the one holding out and saying, no, she doesn't say, nobody knows his stand. We don't know yet. Nobody knows what he was thinking.

And we're assuming it's a he. Well, they do believe it was a man. That's the last thing I heard was, it was that it was a man on the jury, which there was only three. But my whole thing to that is, and I told you, I'm like, for me, because, you know, as Christians, a lot of times we're always the ones holding out. We're always the ones that are going against the grain, and we're always the ones that are saying,

no, and everybody hates us. Correct. for standing up for what we believe in and everybody always thinks are wrong and I always think of COVID with this because everybody just knew we were wrong and we were killers and all this other stuff. So mad. And so mad. I know.

And they wanted to kill us. I know. Literally. So my thing is is like, kudos to this person whether you agree with him or not. I mean, for holding out and standing up for what they believe in and not being pressured and and to cave when they know that they have to go home and live with themselves for the rest of their lives and carry that burden, they have to know that they can go to sleep at night, you know, and not have allowed other people to break them in order to get a result that the rest of them want.

Now, listen, I would be remiss and also saying, if everybody has come to the same conclusion and you're the last one, although I know what I just said even with COVID because a lot of times I was the only one in the room not wearing a mask and having the mean glares in the stairs. So just because everyone in the room has come to the same conclusion but when you're, you know, the thing is with COVID a lot of people didn't study out the information or the science.

They just believed the science. They didn't, yeah, what everybody told you. In this case, everybody heard the same exact thing. They heard the science. They heard the evidence. Everybody's on the same page here, and they've all heard the same evidence. How in the world, this is where I go on the other side in Devil's Advocate, how in the world can everybody hear the same evidence all but one not come to the same conclusion

unless it's the degree in which the person's to be punished, which I don't really believe that's the case. And he did ask. Reddington asked. Can we know? And they were like, no. So, because he was talking about double jeopardy and stuff like that. So, like, can we know if it was like the first charge, the second charge? And they were just like, no, this is a mistrial.

So, and the crazy part is, is that they weren't, the jurors weren't supposed to give that information up. They, they, they, the judge and the attorney should never know how it split. So they technically weren't supposed to, like, it wasn't like they weren't. So they weren't even supposed to be So it's like 10 to 1 or whatever the number was. It wasn't supposed to even come out that everybody knew there was only a one holdout. It was supposed to be like, can you please explain what whatever the reasonable doubt is? Not we're struggling with one juror and he won't like whatever the words were.

Right. And so that is probably like why Reddington like got so frustrated. and he like threw the book at the judge and was frustrated because it's he that's one person. And typically a judge and the attorney won't know that information ever until it's either mistrial or the verdict comes out. Right. Crazy. It's crazy. I know.

It's so wild. What's so sad is is the last part, which is what you told me that the retired judge said, what happens normally in these cases where. In order to have a trial, you have to find people on the jury that don't know anything about the case. When you go to get all new jurors, they can't know all this information because then they already have a, they've already got all the information on me. Yeah, they have a presumption of innocence or guilty in their head. And you're not allowed to go into it like that. Right. So the chance of finding jurors that know nothing about this, that's slim to none.

and then on top of that to have 12 people convict her, 12, like 12 total people convict her and say that she did this and there's no reasonable doubt. That also is slim to none. So the chance of this ever not being a mistrial is slim to none. So it's kind of like this tough spot, which I don't really know what happens because I didn't get to hear the rest of it. But yeah, this is one of these crazy things that. So like I said to her, I'm like,

So it's a mistrial. How do you ever try this again? Right. Is it even possible to try it again? Fairly. You know? And the other thing they said, the attorneys and the judges were saying is like, what's the other side? Not the defense. The state prosecuting? Yeah, yeah. They've made so many mistakes, but now they know they made the mistakes. And so now they will fix all of them. And Reddington really didn't make any mistakes. So there's really. But they know his playbook. Right. Right. So he doesn't have anything to fix. But they have everything. thing to fix now. I know. So this one's, this one's, uh, this one's an unfortunate one, which I mean, probably happens all the time. We just are never this involved in it. But I, I was hoping for something, like some kind of resolution. And what's tough is there is like three babies that are no, no longer here anymore. And like, what justice did they receive? None. None. I mean, because their father definitely has moved on. And,

the mother's life is forever changed. Forever. Yep. It's just one of those things that you just sit there. You know, when you go to heaven, not that you'll care about anything like this. But then you go to heaven, you're going to be like, what really happened? Because there's only like two people. No, there's only one person that really knows what happened.

Right. And it ain't her. Right. They also asked if they would. It's her husband. Right. Because he knows what. whether he's lying and not.

I know. It's the, it's the only thing we know. He's the only thing we know. The testimony. Like everything's coming from him. Oh, is that what you guys found in your,

you know, in your study and like the investigation? They're like, oh, no, Patrick told us. Oh, did you investigate this? Did you test this? No, Patrick told us.

Oh, did you test the liquid? No, Patrick told us. Oh, did you find her outside? No, Patrick told us. When did he call 911? Well, Patrick said, like that's crazy. Yeah, that's why I say.

He's the only one that actually knows. whether or not he's the only one who did it or not yep but and hopefully like hopefully the state of Massachusetts like learns from this and maybe our criminal system will do a better job go forward in case this happens again maybe actually test things maybe you know do better forensics maybe take better notes I don't know you know yeah investigate the case actually investigate like don't move things test thing I mean like if a guy shows up to a dead, almost dead woman that looks like she fell out a window, maybe ask some questions.

Maybe ask him. Maybe tell him to get away from the bodies. Like, I don't know. So, yeah, there's, hopefully they can do a better job. It's sad. It was at this expense. Yeah. But it's sad as sad can be.

It is sad. I know. Because, man, oh, man. I mean, I guess in some ways, her not going to jail, but always living in, a mental hospital is far better than going to jail. Oh, that was the thing they said, too, is that even because some people were there from like, you know, six to ten years, some people don't even make it out because they end up dying in the mental hospital, even in the acquittal process just because of like whatever, like if they

were older or end up getting pneumonia, something crazy. But some people never even make it out, even though they were acquitted, they never make it out and die in the hospital. Isn't that crazy? Because they just weren't, they weren't, they couldn't come up. because the state said that they're not safe enough they're not safe right I mean in all fairness yeah how safe is she to be out there in public that's why they said she's not like she wouldn't be that's why she wouldn't let her go they would definitely bring her back um she'd have to do the six months

mandatory and then even that probably would still need a lot of help because it's been three years so um three and a half so yeah she would they said there she would not be leaving anytime soon no matter not get pregnant. She like needs to have every tube died. Like that girl needs to like she's unfit. She needs to, yeah. She needs to get better. Yeah. I don't know how you do that in these hospitals. So that's what's also very sad. Outside of God, probably no way. I know. But she shouldn't have kids. That's for dang sure. She's not capable of handling that situation. Chemically speaking. Right. But. True. My whole thing is, I know at Bastian, I mean, people who are on medications for mental stability, outside of God, you're going to live on them probably for the rest of your life. Okay.

But if you are on those medications, don't have kids. Don't. Don't get pregnant. If you have to have something that balances your hormones or your, whatever, your chemistry out, don't have kids. Yeah, because why add to it? Like, get yourself, like, it's like first things first. Yeah.

First things first. Well, people are like, well, I want, that's not fair. I want to have kids. Okay, you can't even handle you. First things first. Like, you can't even control you. How are you going to add to that? And on top of that, how do you know that chemically,

if you can't handle your hormones at where they're at right now, how do you know that when you get pregnant, like you're going to be able to handle that and your hormones go crazy even I'm just like if you're on meds, don't have kids. I don't disagree. It's not fair.

It's not fair to the kids. It's not fair to people who have to pay for trials and cases and things like that for crazies that have kids and then kill them. Like save us all. A lot of money and a lot of time and don't have kids.

Until you can figure it out. Yeah, let that be your goal. I know people think that's mean and harsh, but I'm like, just because you want one doesn't mean you should have one. If you can't take care of yourself without having to be chemically balanced, then you shouldn't be having anything until you can control you. I think it's fair. I do. I think that's fair because I have known people that have struggled mentally. And can you even be all there all the time with your kit?

It's already hard enough to have to manage a human being besides yourself. And so when you're not mentally all there and you're struggling, just like you said, providing for yourself, why add something else to your very heavy load? It's very selfish. It's very selfish because a child needs a whole parent, a whole human being. They are very dependent, very reliant on you. And if you're reliant on a drug to keep you balanced, they don't need that. They need somebody who can function at full capacity without medication. I just am like, can we just think about somebody else other than ourselves in life? I mean, crying out loud.

And people will go, that's not fair. That's not nice. That's not kind. Screw that. Screw that. Get over you. Like I'm so sick of people only being focused about. themselves. I'm so tired of it. The world does not revolve around you. It just doesn't. It doesn't revolve

around any of us. That's the truth. And you need to get out of your own way and think about something and someone else more than yourself and your feels. I am so sick of people and what makes them happy. So I have to do what makes me happy. How about you do what makes somebody else happy and is what's better off for someone else than you. I mean, come on. I like it. You would. But you're probably one of the few. It's true, though, like, but that you know you're not happy. Like, if you're focused solely on yourself, there's no way you're fulfilled in life. You can't be because that's not how God created us. So there's no way that you're truly living your best life, and I'm all about living your best life. If you are so focused on yourself and everything's you, obviously,

you need to get yourself in a healthy place and you need to be able to like remove sound and remove ambient noise all the stuff Pastor Tom teaches us but like at the same time like it can't just be about you it can't be otherwise I mean self-consumption has never been a very good thing

no and people just oh my gosh this to the society that we live in today is so so selfie and so like me me me oriented I don't know. If it feels good, then it's okay. I can do it. If it doesn't feel good, I'm not doing it. Most things in life that I do don't feel good. I don't want to do them. But guess what? I do do them. Right. I mean, that's why people get married and divorced. I'm a mature adult. Right. Yeah. Because you're going to get divorced. You're going to get married. Because you feel good and then you're going to get divorced because you don't feel good anymore. And then every relationship will look like that. Then you talk to your kids because you're mad at them or not mad at them. And then when you're, you're mad at them, you don't speak to them. Like everything will be, it's emotional. It's so

emotional. And that's a roller coaster. And very dramatic. And I'm not here for roller coasters. And very dramatic. Very, very drama. I can't stand it. On to intimidation. I really can't stand it. I mean, literally. Now that we've been terminated everybody. I just, I'm thinking, I just can't stand how people are so me oriented. Like when that guy, when that husband saw that she couldn't handle the first one, he should have never had the second and third. He's her husband, her ex-husband is very irresponsible. And again, a culpable negligence. He plays a part in this. He is a horrible human being. Very, very, very self-consumed himself. You don't do that. You don't leave your kids

with somebody who's mentally not stable and go off on weekends. Because you don't care. You care about you. You care about what makes you happy and what fulfills your life. That's how you function in life. I mean, you're nuts. You don't love your family if you do that. You are more concerned about like, I got to get away.

So I get a break from this because I have to go to work on Monday. I have to function and I have to make sure that I'm okay. Bull crap. You have a wife and three kids. You made a vow to that woman and you made a promise to three children that you'd be a father to them and you'd be a husband in sickness and in health, richer or poorer, whatever. Sorry, dude.

That ship has sailed. Be a man. Be a husband. Instead, he's a beta male. Bata male. Gosh, it makes me so mad. I mean, it makes me so sick. Those babies are in heaven.

Right. I know. That's, that is. They have a much better life, but still. I know. What an injustice. Thank you. Exactly.

Yep. So all the words on my mouth. Exactly. Yep. It just pisses me off. Mm-hmm. Because at the end of the day, both of them probably deserve to be in jail. Truth be told, even if she didn't do it, she shouldn't have been having babies.

Like, when you know. know you're not got it all going on. You should stop. So come on. She has responsibility there too. Yeah. But like at the end of the day, as far as I'm concerned, like both of them belong in jail. My thought process is still not changed since the moment I heard about this case, which I said from then, she probably did it.

So she should go to jail. But even if she didn't do it, she kept having kids. She should have stopped. Okay? You should know. I like, I literally am not mentally. unstable, unstable, unstable. But even I knew that two was too much. Two was enough. Okay. So I stopped. Okay.

Like, know your limits, especially if you don't got it going on mentally. So, yeah, both of them. Okay. Whatever. It just makes me so mad. Like, literally makes me so mad. I know. I know. Because there's no justice. No justice. That is something. I think that's why, like my mom always said, I should have been an attorney. And I really don't like arguing. But what I don't, what I hate more is injustice. So when I felt like somebody was saying something that wasn't just, then I had to say something. Yeah. And so I felt like there was injustice, even if it was injustice to me, like, well, I don't feel like that's fair. So I'm going to tell you why it's not fair. So it's never like I really wanted to argue. I just, the injustice part of it was. You wanted to do what was right. Was driving me crazy and I had to say something. And so. So that's why this thing is very, like, intriguing to me is that, like, all the different angles. Like, the whole law system is so interesting to me.

But the worst part is when there's not justice. Yeah. But my whole thing, it is, it even, but a lot of times we just look at the case. We don't look what took to get to, to the place where you had a case, where you had a trial. Like, what part of responsibility did people play to get to the place where there was a trial? before there ever was a crime. Like, there's a responsibility level on everybody's part, and people need to take responsibility.

And in my opinion, in both, in my opinion, that should play a part in this. Yeah. Again, like, she should have stopped having kids and he should have been the husband and said, you're not capable of this mentally and physically. You can't do this. We're not having kids.

Like, I'm not having sex with you, if that's what it took. Because so apparently he was probably having sex with other people. And then there's that. I know. So, hello. That wouldn't have been too hard. I just think to myself, like a lot of people go, she's innocent.

She's innocent. Is she really that innocent, though? Think about that. Is she that innocent? Right. To keep having children when you're highly medicated? I don't think so. Yeah, I don't actually know when her medication started.

She had postpartum before the first, or before the last. child from what I understand. Okay. She was having mental issues before the last child. Okay. Yeah, I didn't hear that part. And I may be wrong about that, but I would love for you to look that up really quick. But I am, I am almost positive.

It was before the last child because everybody was trying to say she was a really good mother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. She just had, okay, I don't think so. You can be a good mom. That doesn't mean you should have kids, though. You can't mentally handle them.

because what people consider to be a good mom and what really is a good mom is a mentally stable mom are you looking at up? Yeah, I said did Lindsay Clancy have mental issues before her last child? Yes, the distinction is important and there's evidence she experienced

some mental health symptoms before her third child. Yeah, because the thing was is she was suicidal and going into mental hospitals before she was pregnant with that third child. Oh, okay, I thought that was all after. No, she wouldn't, into the mental hospital for suicide at least twice. She checked herself in. She tried to commit

suicide and that was after she had the third kid, I think. But then she tried to commit suicide before she had the third kid, if I remember right. Like she had mental problems before she was pregnant with the third kid. So my whole thing is, there is a responsibility level on all people's parts. Like you don't keep having kids. You just don't. And people will go, that doesn't really play a part in this. Bull crap, it doesn't. Yeah, it does. It absolutely does. There's got to be some place

of responsibility. So, I don't know. Intimidation. It's so frustrating to me because, again, it goes back to nobody taking responsibility until it's too late. And I don't like that.

All of this was avoidable. Every single last thing was avoidable. By somebody, yep. by people. Right. Right. I don't know. I mean, guys, that's what her in-laws were saying. Because she kept, that's why they think they loved her.

And I think they felt bad for her and compassion for her because she kept checking herself in. But they should have even said. But how much influence do you have as an in-law? I mean, like, when are you going to be in the bedroom with your son going, Stop it. I mean, you have no control. Yeah.

Intimidation. Intimidation. Intimidation. One of the things I think people are extremely, I might keep going back to intimidation with this Clancy thing. I'm going to try not to. But one of the things I think holds people back. And, you know, like when I think about a lot of times,

intimidation is equal to fear. And fear is equal to not having authority. And when I started doing this, this write-up for this podcast and everything, I kept thinking to myself, man, it just brings me back to Dominion. Because Dominion is authority, and Dominion is taking authority over everything. So every topic that I'm probably going to talk on for this podcast is going to lead us right back to Dominion, because Dominion covers pretty much everything, having dominion in your life. And so intimidation is being fearful of something.

thing. Like I was saying that I'm in, I wasn't saying how on Wednesday I'm intimidated by guns. I'm getting less and less because I'm going and doing things like shooting the gun and learning how to hold the gun and learning how to what do you do when you're putting the bullets in the gun? What's that called? Yep. Loading it? Loading the gun. Good job. Tell you. God bless. Like there's a whole process. And I'm not kidding you, when I would hold the gun and there was nothing in the gun, there was not even a cartridge with bullets in it. My hands were shaking. I was a mess.

So like all of the step-by-step process helps you to overcome whatever it is. People are intimidated to talk to people. They're intimidated to give their opinions. to people. To confront people. Yes. They're so intimidated to even pray for somebody. How do you as a believer, and all of it is based on fear.

And some of that fear is based on pride, and some of that fear is based on being insecure. There's a lot of reasons why people are intimidated. But the only way to overcome it is to do like I am with the gun. is every opportunity that comes your way, operate. Operate in whatever is intimidating you. Let's get started.

When people are intimidated, we're going to, the first one I'm going to talk about, well, I'm not going to really, I'm going to, to a certain extent, hold on, somebody is trying to reach out to me and I'm doing my podcast.

and whatever. People are intimidated by people, a lot more than they're intimidated by objects. Like some people are afraid of the water. Like for me, I respect the sea. The sea intimidates me. Now I'll go out and I'll go on a boat. I'll even go out on a cruise

because I am getting less and less and less. Interesting. And I get seasick, which I haven't gotten seasick. Well, actually, that's because I took Dramamine. So that helps. But that does help. But like I respect the sea. Like I respect a gun.

Like people are too like flippant with things. They're very like willy-nilly in life. And I'm like, yeah, that's stupid. I'm not like that. But even though I'm intimidated by the ocean, I'll still go out and do deep dive boating expeditions, or not deep dive, but deep sea fishing. I'll go out. I'm not going to let it control me.

I'm not going to. But I only go out with people who know what they're doing and also are wise on the water. Like they're not going to just drive and act like a fool. Like my daughter, McKenzie. Yeah, I ain't getting on a boat with her then. She flipped her jet ski. and I was stuck in the mangroves. Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and I've been on a jet ski, and I've driven a jet ski, and the guy I was on there with, he was like, holy crap, you're scaring the crap out of me. But I, the whole entire time, felt like, okay, I have control over this situation. I probably did not.

But at the same time, I felt like I did, and I felt like if something were to happen, at least I'd live. Like, people go out there and they drink. on the water and or they may not drink on the water but I mean like you have to like be like you do driving a car defensive driving people need to pay attention they need to be able to know that if they go out there and that thing breaks down how are they getting back like all those things they matter okay I respect the sea you're not going to get me floating out there and be like finding me

10 days later, like dehydrated and leathery. Oh my God. It's not happening. But most people are not afraid of things. They're afraid of people. Yeah, true. And I am not afraid of anybody. True.

Which has gotten me into a big trouble too. True. But people should not scare you. Yeah. What can they do to you? I mean, they can beat you up. You'll live. Yeah.

You're going to live. I mean. No, I don't think it's the physical. thing for those people. Words or what bothers. Yeah. Yeah. It's like letting them people down and yeah, the, the, the effect of words, 100%. Oh, yeah. If you know that person specifically likes to, like, tell people everything or you know, they'll go tell the wrong story on purpose to make you look bad. Or that, that's like my fear. Okay. Interesting. People like to talk. Okay. People, everything. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Not cool. But here's the thing. Like, when I looked up,

What are people, when I was doing this, it says what people are intimidated by, because I don't know what people are intimidated by. Right. So, but this is what people are intimidated by, which is shocking to me. Okay. People are intimidated by people's personalities. Okay. Like, too big or too shy? Like, even with Tom, when he met me, he's like, you're too much.

You're a lot. Yeah. You're a lot. And I couldn't disagree with him more. You know what? Lying. I knew he was. Right. I mean, I am a lot. You're a lot. Yeah. Somebody told me they were intimidated by timid people because they make them feel like uncomfortable because they're used to being around people. Yeah. Yeah. Awkward people. Yeah, that might be intimidating to be around somebody awkward. I probably would overpower that awkwardness and be like whatever. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Yeah. Not you hope. You don't get to connect to many of these. Yeah. Here's his water or both. But being timid might be a problem. I never even thought. thought about that before. But that makes sense to me that somebody would be like kind of intimidated

by somebody who's timid. Interesting. Because how do you deal with them? How do you like a challenge for me? Yeah. I feel like I can pull it out. Like that doesn't intimidate me. When I meet like timid people, I'm like, I'm going to get them out of their show. Yeah. But that makes sense though, because what do you do with that person? Yeah. It makes them awkward. Like I hate awkward. Oh yeah. I live with Norma's awkward. Like I mean, I'm always like, and she'll be like, I'm so awkward. I live with it, so it doesn't bother me. But that she's funny awkward. She's not like timid awkward. She's out there, man. She's out there. She's like me. And that was awkward too. So like, I look at her and I'm like, that's me right there all the way. Position. People are intimidated by

people's positions. Like being ahead of them and like that kind of like like like people get intimidated like if they may be, uh, this is like position. But I think this is true because I thought about this. People are intimidated by people who have like higher authority or are popular or have a skill set that they wish they have like athletes that are professional. Actors and actresses that they wish that they could be like. Singers and songwriters, when you yourself like have that skill and you just look at them in there like in all of them or whatever. Meeting the president of the United States because that's such a powerful position. You have a boss and you love your job. And And you're afraid you won't please him.

So you're always, you're intimidated by the authority that he has to fire you. There's a whole bunch of things that people are intimidated by because of position. And I didn't even dawn on me because, like, I've never cared even about that. That I'm like, that's interesting. That's very interesting. But it makes sense to me, though, that people would feel like that to a certain extent, you know? Like, if you met somebody, if you are. if you know how to play an instrument

and then you meet somebody who plays that instrument better, like you might not want to play in front of them because you're going to think that they think you suck because they're so good. That's being intimidated. They might sit there and go, man, I remember being like that and like, that was a sweet time in my life.

You just don't know. They might not ever think they suck. They might be like, they're good for how old they are because I wasn't even that good at that age. Like I always think to myself, I'm not intimidated by that stuff because I always think that somebody's thinking the best of you, not the worst of you.

Right. Because usually when I'm meeting somebody, I'm not thinking the worst of them. I'm usually looking at them and going, what great attribute do they have on the whole? No, that's good because actually Rodney said that one time. He was walking around and he's like, why do you guys think I'm thinking the worst of you?

Like when I see you, yes. He's like when I, because people like are nervous and they like won't look at them. And he's like, I look at you, like, I see what God sees. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, that's because like, somebody that can, like, read your mail, you kind of are like, oh, what if they know? Like, what if he knows that I, like, messed up and I almost ran somebody off the road yesterday. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you think of like, or, yeah. But if your perspective is that,

like, people see you and they see the best in you, then how do you get intimidated? Yeah. And I'm sure I have been intimidated by people. But on the whole, I just don't even. And I'll hope you're it. This is the unicorn. and special hope part. I just literally think, I mean, do you get intimidated by people? Way more than you do. But not probably very much, right? Not very much, but definitely way more than you. Like I was in my early 20s and they worked for this company that handled professional athletes. We were like, we did everything from their contracts to like Michael Jordan was one of our clients. We did, and I worked with his attorney who did so many.

professional basketball players football players and stuff like that and then we worked with professional tennis players and I remember like we would see them, they would call in and stuff like that and I would be just like they go to the bathroom just like I do and they put their clothes

on just like I do and they called in like when Michael Jordan would call in and I've seen him I met him his wife Juanita was super sweet girl because that's when I knew him when he was first married to her or he was pretty young, obviously he was young, but when he was with the Bulls. But like he would call in and he wouldn't say, hey, this is Michael. Right. No, he didn't like that. He would call in and say,

hey, this is Michael Jordan. Is David Falk there? Yeah. Like just a regular guy. Yeah. Okay. Like everybody is a regular person. Nobody, the ones that think that they're better than everybody, you don't want to, you don't want to be intimidated by them anyway because you're giving them more, you know like bad behavior yeah you're giving them more umph to to the crap but most people are just genuinely i mean listen those players they they're used to being catered to so they're used to getting women but on the whole though they're they don't want you to be intimidated by them right you know they might want a side piece but they were not wanting you know they're just regular people and that's i guess what i'm trying to say don't be intimidated by people

if they have a position. You're no different than them. At some point, depending on if it's your job, you might be your supervisor supervisor someday. I've seen it happen. You don't know. So never be intimidated by anybody's position. Success, which is what we talked about.

Education. And there's a lot of people who, because maybe they've been diagnosed with dyslexia or whatever, somebody who's smarter than them, they're intimidated by them. I'm like, there's a lot of really smart people who have absolutely no common sense. I'd rather have common sense over smarts, brain smarts than, I'd rather street smarts than brain smarts any old day, which thank God I do, because this girl ain't going on.

Brain smarts ain't never been my problem. Street smarts, I got it going on. There you go. You need somebody who has your back. I'm your girl. I may be 60 next year. but I'm still your girl. 100%.

I'm in, like Flynn. Money, people are very, I mean, I would have never, I wouldn't have thought about these things being intimidated by them. Would you have thought about these things? Oh, yeah. Like, if you had to make a list, you would have thought about all these things. I would have never thought about any of these things. Yes.

They do not even, I can't even, but I couldn't think of anything to be intimidated by either, though. So now I can. I'm like, all of these makes complete sense to me. I know people that are easily intimidated. I could easily make a list of what they're intimidated by. And the title thing, like, if they know somebody is in like an area and they have a title or if Michael, I was talking to somebody recently and they're like a huge Brandon Lake fan. And they said every time they have to go see him, they like literally cry when they get to meet him. And I'm like, like, what?

So crazy. Because I have opposite feelings. And so, but like I've seen other people in the way they respond like when Pastor Rodney comes around there, anybody that like that like that, you can tell when people are like really intimidated. And so that one totally makes sense. When people have a lot of money, they act weird around people that don't have money and they're around people that have money. They always act really weird. So like all these things, I'm like, I'm 100% seeing that. I'm personally intimidated by situations. Like having to do this when I first started was very intimidating to me. Yeah, that's like a gun though. That makes sense to me. That makes complete sense to me. Speaking at the women's conference, that's always intimidating to me. Yeah, that's scary. I ain't going to lie to you. The first, I'm not intimidated by it anymore, but I would be lying if I wasn't like shaking out of my boots. Like those things are intimidating. And Adelis was like, I know.

And I'm like, it's like anything. Back at you. Are you kidding me? I know. She was just laughing. I'm like, I'm scared to death. Me and Mags, we're both in Tom's office. We're like, we're scared.

And she's like, eh. And I'm like, eh, back at you. You've been doing it, Chad. So I said, precht. You've been doing it for a while. What are you crazy? Right. She's like, oh, I was a hot mess when I first started.

I was like, thank you Jesus. She was. Yep. But, I mean, you do get like that. Yeah, it is. But it's scary, man. It is. Talking in front of people, I don't care who you are.

I know. Like, some people think so highly of themselves. But when you're doing God's business, like, that's scary. That's a whole other level. Like, if you're going to. just go in and talk about a topic. Hmm. Well, who cares?

I know. I could do that. But you talk about God and then, like, you got to get that right. That's why Skyler said he's still like nervous and intimidated to read the Bible out loud because he doesn't want to mess up the Bible. Like, Tom, it takes it serious. Like, if he gets a scripture wrong, he's like, uh, I mean, he's even told me he's like, I don't know, should I go back and correct it?

I'm like, no, you gave the scripture and they can look it up. I mean, you're going to make mistakes, dude. I mean, it's going to happen. Get over it. And obligations and things too. Well, plus, like, you're talking and he talks so much that you're not going to get it right every single time. I mean, it's going to happen. God knows the heart.

Right. But it's like, oh my gosh. But still, like, things are scary. I don't care what anybody says. Things are scary. People, pshh. Nah. I know.

Although I guess I was intimidated to speak in front of people. But it's the, but like you said, it's the responsibility of. It's not like you're intimidated by all those people. You see them every Sunday. But it's the like it's it. Like there's a time frame and there's getting the words out that you know that are important and you have to get them out and you want to be able to communicate it well. And when you like to say lots of words and go on rabbit trails, you don't want them to go

off too far. But then you don't want it to be too boring. Yeah. It's a science. I've been a hot mess. I mean, I have sucked some eggs. Like it's been bad. But that's where like God knows.

Yeah. But at the same time, there's a big responsibility. And people are literally like, put me in. And that's God will not put you in because you think too highly of yourself. Yeah. It's not going to happen. It's the ones that are like not anxious to do it, but know that they're supposed to. That's where the difference is.

It's not. I'm always very hesitant when people are going, I'm called to speak. And I'm like, they're very confident in their ability. And I'm like, is it you speaking or is it the Holy Spirit speaking through you? Because if you, like, if it's going to be you, I don't want you. Right. Yeah. Nah.

No, thank you. No, thank you. I don't need your wisdom. I need the Holy Spirit's wisdom. And a lot of times people are just think more highly of themselves in their ability than they really should. You should like be very mindful of that stuff. But, yeah, that's interesting though. Mm-hmm. that you know people that are like that.

That's very interesting. I don't know. I mean, I mean, I guess Tom, Tom's very, very respectful of Pastor Rodney. And I am not. I am not. It's not that I don't respect the man. I know.

I just love him. Like, I called him babe by accident. And then I, like, I even called him babe the last time I talked to him. He doesn't say nothing. I mean, he doesn't, he doesn't, he don't think he cares. He just knows it's me.

But it was so funny because Tom saw me in the office one time talking to him in Adonica. And he literally just sat and watched. He was like, I wish I was like that. I've told Pastor Rodney, I'm like, he's too tense. He is too tense with you. Like, you never see the real ham. He's too intense. He, like, has such a high level of respect for him.

I know. I'm like, Tom, he's a person. He's like, I know. But, like, he's my pastor. And I'm like, he's still a person. There's a healthy balance. There's a healthy. And he's not healthy with it.

Most people aren't. But Jonathan? He treats Jonathan like Jonathan, but not Pastor Rodney. So I get that where people were Pastor Rodney. But I didn't know Pastor Rodney said that. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah.

Yeah, because he could tell, like, people were like, you know, like nervous around him. And he said, like, I just see, I see what God sees in you. Like, I see good in you. And although he probably doesn't. always in every single situation, but I bet a lot of the times he does. Like he sees maybe where they're short and what would bring them to the next level, you know? He's very, he's like you were saying, he's very confrontational, which I think scares people. Yes. Because he'll say whatever. Whatever. But even him and Norma have gone toe to toe with each other in like the entryway

of the Pastor Rodney and Norma one time went head to head. And even that, even he got mad at her and stuff like that, but he was, he was very, very, at the end of the, he's very loving and very, like, you can have an opposite opinion to him, and he's not going to drop you. Like, he's not going to, like, he's not like that. I mean, I don't know how to explain it. It's just, like, he does see people like that, and he does respect people that don't necessarily agree with him 100% and have their own opinion and he doesn't want people to be like right no he doesn't want that no because as soon as you're like oh my gosh like what you did two years ago he's like what's your name where do you live he will not listen to it you won't because i've literally tried to say listen dude you just need to

understand how profound like you have for me personally he's like did he ask you about your cat do you i don't want to hear it i know like he acts like he is not listening i know and he does he does not receive it at all. So you stop doing it. Like I only did it once because I was like, well, that wasn't received. Already then. Because you do want it to. I mean, people come and tell me and I appreciate it. And I think it's so sweet and so kind. When people take the time to say, you need to understand, like you doing that beloved, somebody just said this to me this morning, you need to know how that you putting on the beloved comfort, it changed my life, but it changed many women's life and thank you so much for that. Like I think that that is incredibly kind and sweet

for somebody to take the time to say thank you and to make sure that you understand how much they appreciate it. Pastor Rown, he wants no parts of that. I mean, you can say the smallest, like me right there, I just need you to know. Yeah. No parts of it. I know. It's true. Which is okay. I mean, And that's his, but he literally wants no glory. Right. And he wants no nothing. I know. He's just like, I don't know.

But your, like, your perspective on that might be what his is. And this is like the whole part is that you said like if you take the positives, you have to take the negatives. Yeah. So maybe his healthy way of doing that is like, if I don't take the positives, I don't take the negatives. So I just stay right here, focused on Jesus. Because the negatives might be too much for him, you know, where you're just like,

nah, whatever. I don't care. You know, doesn't bother you. But he's pretty like, he's probably, he's, he's very similar to me. Yeah. Okay. Very, me and him are very similar in that. He's sensitive like Tom to a certain extent.

Yeah. But he's also, that's what makes him a great pastor. Mm-hmm. Very sensitive, very sensitive to Holy Spirit. Mm-hmm. But he has a lot like me as in he kind of like just, like, whatever. Yeah. That's good.

It is good. I think he's less like me than I am, but he still has that side. Whereas Tom's not, Tom's gotten to be more like me, but Tom's still super sensitive to people. I think that's, I think it's the nature of a pastor. I really do. I can almost always tell, because God kind of makes people the same, all kinds of different personalities and different traits and qualities. He leads them to do different types of ministry, the five-fold ministry, But he makes people be a certain kind of way so that they're very successful in that. That's why I always say people need to, like, if they see something in their child, that gifting or that talent is probably spiritually speaking the direction that God's going to take them in ministry. You need to tap into that.

You need to encourage it. And you need to help them build off of that. Well, I always usually, and I don't mean this, that they're unstable. That's not what I'm saying. But usually people who are great pastors or evangelists, but specifically pastors are very passionate people. What I mean by passionate is we have a lot of people in the pastoral positions that I don't think are called to be pastors. I just think they like being a pastor. I think they didn't get called to be it.

I think that they decided to be it as a type of career. Okay. When you're a pastor, it's not a career. It's a calling. And there are two different things. And a lot of times people follow a career path that has been in their family forever. And it's not a calling. Now, do I think that a lot of pastors raise men that will actually be pastors? Yeah, because we see it with a little biblical priests, the tribe of Levi. So yeah, I do believe families will continue to birth and generate pastors. I do believe that. But I also, believe like Tom was not in the Littical priesthood clan or the tribe and God pulled him out and put things in him because he knew he had a greater calling, which would be a pastor. He is very passionate. Pastor Rodney, very passionate. Both of them have like, Pastor Rodney is not, Tom is more of a person who withholds what he says and controls the way he says things. Has he ever not done that? Yeah, he has but on the whole like I've only seen him one time be a certain way and Talia was there I've and I've and it was after Tommy's fight I've never seen Tom like that ever but it was because of Tommy and it was

and your kids are a whole other thing I mean and I think Talia didn't he get hurt it wasn't Tommy pretty badly injured in that fight or he wasn't it was where he was like um it was It was where he could barely stand. It was because of exhaustion. It wasn't because of, oh, no, he had a fractured his face. It was his face. And that was his second? Yes, second loss.

So the fracture to the face, second loss. I've never seen Tom ever like that before. Where he was like, I was like, well, who in that crap is this person? I mean, tell you, have you ever seen Tom like that? No. And you grew up in my house, well, because he wasn't nice to tell you. you to be honest with you. I've never seen him like he's quiet usually if he's not in a happy mood or he's bothered about something he just it's very quiet he very much crazy is I don't usually do well with

like being like you know like me yeah yeah yeah she's never like that um and I literally something just took over me and I just like stayed silent the whole entire time it like didn't affect me one because I knew that it wasn't like him right now I knew that wasn't him that's not how his nature and character yeah exactly and so i was just like i'll just sit back and be quiet and let this play out yeah which he it did he came and apologized to her especially when they're one-offs yeah but well yeah i mean i've never seen him like that and i was like dude you need to like get a grip i mean i was like yeah stop it yeah and i've never had to even say that to him yeah ever like never in my life but on the average where pastor rodney doesn't hold back yeah yeah he pretty much he pretty

much says whatever he thinks. But very passionate people. Jonathan, very passionate. Jesse Duplanis, very passionate. Andrew Wamek, very passionate. Anybody that you know, that you know, that you know that you know are called to ministry. Like, if you look at them by nature, they're very passionate people. But I think God made them that way because they have to win souls for him. And they have to love deeply. And that's one of the reasons why I kind of knew about Jair, to be totally transparent and honest with you. One of the reasons why I knew that Jair was called into ministry

as far as the preaching part of things is because of how, and I don't want to insult it because all of these people are emotional. But the emotional nature of that of him made me be like, the odds are he's called to ministry and he's called to pastor because of that emotional, passionate and you learn how to control it and you learn. But there's an emotional side where you deeply love and you deeply care. And so it's just the nature. He was very, but he was also very emotional because when you're going, you, you braid up a whip of cords. Right. And then you, that's very passionate. And that's a very passionate. And that's an,

emotional move. Yeah. Like not in a negative way, emotional. He was pure. He was holy. But you literally, like, to make the stance that you've got to make in life, you have to be passionate. Yeah. It's so funny because when Tom made that video about Pastor Rodney, people were like,

he's so angry. But Jonathan and Rodney both said, no, he's passionate. Because they understand the difference between angry and passion. And people don't. And people don't. They just don't unless they have that same calling, unless they see things with the same viewpoint. It's way different. Passion is not anger.

Way different. And I just think that it's the nature of that, you know? We're going to continue on with intimidation on Wednesday of next week. I didn't even get past my first page. But Lindsay Clancy is done. So we're going to have a whole hour. Unless we jump right on board to the Charlie Kirk. That's true.

It's probably not going to happen. Because we know that the whole scene is set. I know. That's a farce. Yeah, that's too deep. So it's 4 o'clock. I'll see you. Be here or B Square.

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