The Hope Hotline - Why Don't We See What We Are Believing For? | Part Two

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

The Hope Hotline!

Hello and welcome to the Hope Hotline. Thank you so much for joining us on this awesome Friday. You know, when I say, like, I'll tell people I'm super excited that it's Friday, I work all weekend. I know. It's not really. And I love my job. Right. And I'm grateful.

So TGIF doesn't mean like, thank God I get to have a day off. I'm working. Right. I'm working on Sunday. No, I just love flipping Friday. I know. Me too. Something about like Friday night.

Like, it's a mental thing. It is. It is. It is. It's very nostalgic. I don't know. But. T-G-I-F.

T-G-I-F. Do you remember where T-I-F? I think we talked about this. Do you remember how it was like back in the day, like Friday night was. I wish I can replicate that. I know. It's not possible. Feeling that anticipation.

It's not possible because of this. I was just literally going to say, unfortunately, because we have these. It was. The best. It was the best. It was like Pizza Hut. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Like there were certain nights that, and I didn't even go to Pizza Hut with my family, but I went out with my friends and there was just certain things. Sunday was friendlies. Tracy knows. Oh, yeah. There was just certain things. Yeah. Like when I got off of work, we would sometimes go to, I got out of school early.

So Friday afternoons. Sometimes we hit pizza, personal pizza with a salad. Oh, of course. Start you off, go to work, come home. We do it. And then it would be like Friday night shows and like hanging with your family. And people don't hang with the family anymore. I mean, ours does.

Yeah, ours does too. We sit around, I mean, tell you knows, we'll sit around and talk in the kitchen for hours. Or just, it might not even be hours. It might be 30 minutes. but and then we all go our separate ways, but nobody hangs out anymore. I know. I know. That's why like, yeah.

That's why you did your implemented your Sunday night dinners. Correct. I did. And it has been a hit. We have had so much fun. And it's not like we have to be like, hey, everybody put their phones down. Like, it's because it's such like a fun time together. Yeah.

Like it's so easy. You don't have to coerce anybody. No. I know. Like, nope. Whoever wants to come comes. And that environment always breeds. just goodness.

It does. So there was something about family, family dinners and which we never had, but I'm just saying, my family did, but not my personal family. Tom hated them. So we didn't have them.

His work schedule too was probably, was that hard? No. Well, that didn't help because he was on night shift a lot. Yeah, over time and. But no,

it was because he eats weird. That's true. We were just talking to tell me about this. He ate. French toast for I don't know three to six months for dinner every night

he's weird man I feel like he lost weight on it that's the extreme side of of someone that that's like hyper fixating yes and I did not eat French toast

and this week I've hyper fixated on boiled eggs oh my gosh all the different kinds I said because you're fixing them all the different kinds of ways that people fix them with the yolk barely cooked. No.

Oh, no. Oh, it's really popular, you know. Oh, did it? Is it? It's super pumped. It's an algorithm. Yeah, double-ed eggs, not double-boiled eggs with, you cut them in half.

They're still kind of runny, but not completely. And then you put all these different kinds of things on top of them, from hot peppers to drizzled, like, dressings or not maybe dressings, but I don't know what it's. called. Are you not a fan of that? First of all, I don't want my yolk. I used to eat it like that when I was a little bit. I don't want my yoke running. Gross. Okay. And no, I mean, no, I don't, no, that doesn't appeal to me. Absolutely not. Not at all. But do you like watching it? Six eggs in one day? In one day. That's a lot. Okay. You stink when you went to the bathroom. I can promise you that. I probably did. No, I know you did. Gross. So I needed to like reel myself in. She smelled

Like her bathroom smelled like what hell? Did you? I did. And somebody was like I brought it to homeschool co-op My little egg salad that I made And somebody was like who Who like barred?

Blue up in place? Because it's smell I know. It's my egg salad. Yeah. Who smells like hell? Sulfur. Yeah. Good old Vanessa.

Oh my gosh. That's funny. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I love it. I don't know what we were talking about, but Friday. Oh, I do. What?

We were talking about very specifically, why don't we see what we're believing for? Oh, that. Yeah. I just realized I have no lipstick on. Go get the lipstick. No. I'll put me in Vanessa on. Nobody will know.

Do you wear lipstick on a regular basis? That's bad. I have no lips. So I have to put lipstick on all the time. I wear lipstick. every time you see me, well not unless, podcasts and church. It must be like a very natural.

It is. Color. Yeah. It is. It is. I've never noticed. It is. It is a natural color.

Because I don't have any lips. So if I put red lipstick on my lips, I look ridiculous. If I put anything. What do you mean? You have lips. No, I don't like a red lipstick on me. Like I try any color and I feel like it's like red lips. I don't know if it's my skin color, but.

Remember when we did that video for Christmas? I was literally thinking about it. And you wore red lipstick. Yeah. I did not look good. But it fit that. But it fit your vibe of what we were wearing, what we were wearing. Yeah.

I would have looked ridiculous not wearing it, but I looked ridiculous wearing it too. Oh my gosh. It wasn't good. Yeah. But yeah, that's what we were talking about. We were talking about that. Do we need to do anything, remind people of anything before we hit the topic? Yeah, definitely.

Let's do it. Okay, because we have Crave tomorrow. Woohoo. Praise God. Yeah, so bring all your friends, bring everybody that loves a night of worship. There'll be a word as well in there, but just definitely a night of worship. And it's always so great because our lights, you either have them on or off. And so for Crave, we have them off.

And it will be an amazing time together. Like I said, bring all your friends, bring all your people. and we will see you at seven oh my gosh norma looks huge christian does not let me norman christian are so tiny and andrea that that is the worst angle to have a picture taken of you because look at how that camera added 20 pounds not 10 that is not a great picture norma we love you she ain't watching so we're safe i know talia said she looks fine i agree with talia but it's okay are you kidding me.

Andrea, well, that's, weird on her because she's like stepping forward. I think, look how tiny,

look at Kristen's waist. It's like teeny tiny. No, it doesn't look at it's right there. It does not look like tiny. She does not look as tiny

what she is to me, but that's okay. Okay, all right. Moving right along. Yep, that's right. We're switching gears.

We know who looks great though. Dana. Dana. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. Dana's a toothpick. So even if she gains 20 pounds, look that girl.

I know she's a normal person because she's so flipping thin. So teeny tiny. It's the sweetest thing. I love that. I want to put her in my pocket. I love her so much. She is the best. I know.

Golly. Kristen's watching. Kristen, I'm sorry. I think you look super skinny. But take that up with hope. I'm just saying like she's very thin. And that doesn't make either one of them look as thin as what they are. I mean, they are wide leg pants too.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Talia's trying to help a girl out. Blime on the TV. Way to go. You're a good friend, Tal. You are.

Go ahead. Okay, 50 plus breakfast club. What does that mean? You have to be 50 plus. Or you can come with your spouse who's 50. Because what happened is people were not coming because the spouse was coming and the other spouse was staying home. So Vanessa can come.

Yeah. But her husband doesn't come. So it doesn't matter. Okay. 50 plus. And you have to come with your husband. Okay. And so they get breakfast.

They get a word. And then it's usually a different person preaching each time. Mm-hmm. Yes. Okay. Because I know that was how it was. I am not 50. So I cannot go to these things.

I'm just joking. I could totally go. I could totally sneak in as a photographer. Always have my way in. I always have my way in. And be like, oh, sorry, guys, I have to come. But it's for about two hours in the morning. And so coffee and tea.

No. Nope. Coffee. And I don't know about the tea. Okay. And water. Okay. Orange juice. Okay.

So you're breakfast. And there's all different topics. What are you doing right now? I'm trying to get people to come to 50 plus. Okay. It's a breakfast club. If you want to know it's super secret and you have to show up, but you also have to be 50 plus,

unless you have spouse that's 50 plus and then you can come in and you don't have to be 50 plus. So if that's not. I'm going to tell you right now, if the only reason you come is to eat John, Atkinson's breakfast. I don't blame you. It is so dang good. He is such an incredible cook. I might come to take photos.

I'm just joking. All right, yeah. So come October 17th. So that is actually, I definitely won't be there because my daughter is getting married that day. So I can't be there. What time did she get married? 5 p.m.

Oh, I'm good. Okay. Thank you, Jesus. You just scared the crap out of me. I mean, 11 a.m. I'm, that one's joking. But I will be there all day, all day long. Yes, you will. Okay, wait, let me, hold on, don't look at that one yet. Okay, this one. Natalie is coming October. Oh, well, we might, no, no, no, no, no, man, no, just kidding. Okay, pretend you don't see that. October, either 21st or 23rd. We're still confirming because she is, I think her mom's closing on something or something's happening. So, yes. And so, but she's coming back in October. So pretend you don't see 18th, because that's a Sunday. So if you want to see Natalie on the front row of

church. She might be there. But definitely she'll be back at the end of October. Also, Dare to be October 23rd. That is a Friday and it will be at 7 p.m. And we will have some really cool commercials coming out soon, some sneak peek at stuff. So we're excited to get that out for you guys to see. But just mark your calendars for now. And then if you are on social media, pay attention to those things. If you're not on social media, you can always sign up for our newsletters and anything that comes out, any emails that come out, pretty much do what's on social media on email too just for the ones that aren't on social media. So if you go to our foundation churchFL.com and you go to the bottom, you can sign up for our

emails and you will never miss a thing. Yay. Yay. Okay. Also, I didn't tell you about this one, but... No, you did not. October 16th is the day before the wedding. And so I will be doing a rehearsal dinner. Yeah, we're not doing that. Okay. Yeah, you can put that up. Okay. So on Friday, I was supposed tell her before we got started. We're not going to have a podcast on Friday because like I said, we will be at rehearsal doing rehearsal for the next day. Not me, but yeah. Not hope, just me. And actually, Vanessa will have to be there too because her husband is marrying them. Ah, dig it dogged-d-dogity. Yep. So that's that. And then I'm sure I'll talk about this in a little bit, but Pastor Tom's podcast is tonight at 8 p.m. And he goes live and it is on Instagram and on

TikTok. And so feel free to hop on. This is a one and done. So if you don't hop on between eight and nine, you're going to miss it. He usually ends pretty close to nine. So try to hop on at eight to kind of hear what's going on. And always good conversations. You can ask questions and all kinds of things. But it's, yeah, it's a really great Bible study. So some people like to like have it going on at their house and then they invite friends over. So that's fun too. But it's as easy as just opening your phone and finding his life. And so those are the two places that you can find it. And I think that's it for today. That's very important, very important stuff. Doggity. Sounds wonderful. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right,

Eru. Okay. Let's do this. Let's go. I'm ready. I don't know, like, I don't know, like, that was the worst transition ever. I'm like, I don't even, like, that was such a cold, hard break. Let me start over. Let me start over. That was a terrible transition. Let me start over. Okay, so Pastor Tom's podcast is Friday, and there's going to be a Bible study. and before you go into his Bible study, we are going to start off on this topic today about why don't we see what's happening?

Because there are times in our life where we see what God is asking from us or what we're asking from God, we see it happen, and then all of a sudden we don't. And that might be a topic that Pastor Tom talks about tonight. But if he doesn't, guess what? The Hope Hotline is here to save the day.

Always. Oh my gosh, that was... Was that better? No. Okay. But we're going to go straight from that. You know, like it's when a train transition you know back in the day we used to transition our music from when we would stop

and start going into the next song yeah it was terrible it was a pastor rodney's texting me it was like it was a like a hard and fast you remember Vanessa and I'd be like that was rough I don't know what just happened there but the holy spirit was like hold up wait a minute yeah yeah that flow There are some times where it still happens, and I'm just like, oh. Yes. And that's how I felt. I'm like, I don't even know how to.

Let's start sitting here going, well, that was a tough one right there. Now where do I start and what do I say? I'm like, that's just like one of our worship team going from one time to the next. I'd be like, I don't even know what to do, ma'am. Where do we go from here? My hands. Literally. All right.

Okay. Let's go. Okay. Okay. So I honestly, I think one of the reasons why I felt like talking about this is because of the divine health class and stuff like that, which if you're taking the divine health class, you're probably going to shut it off. No, I'm just kidding. You're not. Because you're going to be like, this is not, I'm talking about things that we haven't talked about in the class, but I am talking about things that we have talking about things that we have, too.

I mean, it's a little bit of both, but like everybody always wonders why they're not seeing what they're believing for. And but they never do the self-evaluation in order to figure that part out. I would say a huge majority of the reason why people aren't receiving what they're believing for is because a lot of times the teachings they're listening to or if they are listening to a pastor, Um, you know, you know, routinely, unless it's somebody who is specifically addressing, um, healing or even like I was going to say people, like, if you're going to listen to a Curry Blake or an Andrew Womack, people like that, then they're going to tell you the steps in order to get to what you're wanting and believing for. Okay. But even, um, even with them, it's like, um, um, I showed this video of this guy named Tom Loud that, like I told them, Kim Abbott told me about him. And she was like, man, this guy, like, radically opened my eyes to certain things. And so she sent me a podcast.

And I was like, holy crap. Like, that's some good stuff right there. Which I realized the things that he was saying in the podcast, Yes, there were things that I already knew. But I didn't unlock them in the way, in revelation, the way that he was saying them. Does that make sense to you guys? It's like things that you have knowledge of. And you've even, like, the video I showed last night for Divine Health, he was saying how he wasn't seeing the results of the healings, like this guy that he was following and had,

had done research on and had, he wanted to like know, like how is this guy getting a higher rate of return on the people that he's laying hands on, them seeing the healings that they were believing for? How is he hitting it out of the park every single time pretty much? I'm not. What is he doing that I'm not doing?

And that's, most people never do that, right? So he researched the guy, made sure he was legit, found out that he was. And then he reached out to him and he waited for the guy to get back to him. When he finally did get back to him, he asked him a specific question. And like, of a scenario that he had watched. And he's like, what were you thinking when you were praying over this healing? And the guy said, he's like, I wasn't praying over.

I wasn't thinking anything. Yeah. And then he goes into, so he hangs up with the guy. And he's like, well, that didn't do me any good. But then the Holy Spirit gave him a scripture in Romans 8-7 that says that our minds are hostile towards God. And so I'm abbreviating. So he goes on to say, after he studied that scripture out, and he dissected it, he realized that the carnal mind is going to try and, like, come at you when you're believing. for things. Like the guy said he wasn't thinking of anything because the carnal mind, what do you think

when you're laying hands on people? It's like, I hope this works. Those kinds of things, right? Like, I hope I don't embarrass myself telling, you know, telling this person that they need healing and I can help them get healing. What if this doesn't work? So that's the carnal mind. And so when that guy said I wasn't thinking anything, he actually is following scripture, which unlocked for this guy, like to tell his mind, shut up. And as soon as he did this, as soon as he had the revelation knowledge, he went out and he practiced it on somebody.

And he took, he said he literally jumped off the cliff. And he saw something miraculous happened. And ever since then, because when his mind started coming at him, when he was talking, I mean, when he was telling this person and praying over this person and it started coming at him, he told his mind, shut up. And he left his mind blank. And he was, you know how many times I've seen healing though when I've done that? Pretty much every time.

When I heard him say that, I'm like, I knew that. I never put the scripture together, even though I know that scripture. Never put the scripture together with operating in it all at the same time, even though I've actually done that. Yeah, I get that. And I've told myself that is down in belief. No, I'm not thinking that. I'm not speaking that.

Yeah. Yada, yada. Yeah. I knew all of that stuff, but I never put it together. Right. And he said as soon as he started doing that, he was hitting it out of the park. He gets 70 to 80% of everybody he prays over. He has a 70 to 80% record of healings.

And he goes out on a regular basis weekly and is laying hands on the sick and he's seeing healings like this. What I was going to say is a lot of times, we listen to people outside of like an Andrew Womack, Curry Blake, Kenneth Hagan, all the ones that you and I all know, they will tell you step by step. But even in their step by step, they're not going to hit every single step. Like that guy gave me another step, right? I hadn't heard that before.

Me either. Neither had I. Yeah. It makes total sense, though. So much sense. And it's interesting because we have the spirit of truth living inside of us. So of course we would operate in that just by nature. Right.

But what is the, like I taught last night, spirit, soul, and body is what we talked about last night. And I was trying, what I was telling them is, is the, when we read the scripture about spirit, soul, and body, it is in those orders. And it is not by accident that it is in those consecutive spirit man first, soul man second, body last. because the smearman controls the body. But that's not what we allow rule us on the day to be. We allow it to be the opposite. It's body, soul, and spirit. That's how we normally in the world operate, in the carnal nature.

And the thing is you've got to switch everything, which is the renewing of the mind, which is what Tom Loud said last night, which I played it specifically because nobody could say it better than the person who said it themselves. I could have translated it. But if you look at what the renewing, and when it talks about the renewing of the mind and the scripture of that particular scripture,

verse, that renewing is actually the changing of a new thought. And it's like you're literally changing your mind to the new thought. And it's not like how we, you're literally changing. It's not just a renewing and a tapeover. You're like changing that thought. Right. And when I heard that, I was like, boom, again.

Because a lot of times we think renewing of the mind. We're just trying to put on a new thought. No, no, you're changing that thought. Yes. What we do is we listen to people and they tell us a lot of great things and they preach to us and they're like, yeah, this is great. And we believe, again, our ship is coming in or we're going to believe for that healing. and we don't know the steps in order to get us to that or whatever we're believing for.

And then when it doesn't come through, we doubt God. But the thing is, is that's why I feel so it's such a necessity to even talk about it for the people who don't come to divine health. Because I think that's one of the reasons why the Lord is making me talk about it right now is because we're missing things. We're telling people what can happen, but we're not telling them what they must do in order to see what they want. are believing for to happen. Does that make sense? It sure does. And you have to unlock certain things for revelation. And then you have to hear certain things and help you to increase your faith.

Yes. I don't know. Go ahead. I want to hear what you guys have to say. I'm going to shut up for a second. That was, yeah, no, that's so good because also when you say that, like, that you just don't think of anything, it feels like there's no control over it. You know, like you, because sometimes Like you said, you want to be like, okay, if I think like of a positive thing, but then that negative wants to come and steal it. So if you just don't think of anything, it's not you. Like you're not manipulating anything.

You're not controlling anything. You're not bringing anything in. Like you're just like, I'm going to lay hands because that's what God told me to do. And I'm going to do what he asked me to do. And the outcome is his is up to him, you know? And we know what the outcome should be every single time. But it's not like this, like you have to like conjure up like this idea. And say the right words.

Right. And like if I don't say something correctly, like that like cancels out. Right. The prayer. Yeah. Like, yeah. Exactly. And God.

And when Jesus was healing, like I just read the story about when he was going into town and there was a funeral happening. And his, oh yeah. His words were like, young man, get up. And it was like the dead man sat up. Like it was just, everything was simple. Like, and so Jesus wasn't in his head. I'm willing.

Right. I'm willing. I'm willing. I'm healed. Yeah. You're healed. It's so funny because I was thinking of all of that stuff on my way in to do the podcast today. I was thinking about how simplistic.

Yes. The God, I mean, he is so simple. Yeah. And he operates in the simple and we make things so much more so that those that are around us are impressed. Right. Or it helps them to believe more and what's being said. And who was guilty of that back then? The Pharisees and the Sadducees.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Like last night, there was a guy. And I sat afterwards, I sat there and I went, man, that was just such a simple prayer. But I was like, I was basically believing or saying what I felt like the Holy Spirit was having me say when I was praying over this guy. And I thought to myself, man, that was not that it was boring, but it was just like, man, that was so simple.

Yeah. On my way in, I was like, man, that was so, like, there was no great swelling words of emptiness. But, like, and I thought to myself, that's like what, a lot of, like, whenever, I was beginning to evaluate, man, I hope that guy didn't, like, walk away going, well. That was disappointing.

Yeah. But I'm like, right? I was like, okay, Lord, I literally said it's so simple. And like there was, there was nothing impressive about it, but I felt like I was supposed to pray what you wanted me to pray. And I'm like thinking to myself, man, I hope that guy wasn't disappointed by it. And then I was like, but you never did anything extravagant, everything you ever did. And you're saying all that stuff. and I'm thinking to myself

when in our heads, when we say those things, like, should I say this? The holy, our spirit man, like, wouldn't be worried about any of that stuff. Right. Yeah. Nope.

Nothing. I think of Carly when she was giving her testimony and when she went for prayer. Yeah. And Andrew Womag prayed. Yeah. And she's like, it wasn't impressive.

Yeah. No, it was like the least impressive thing ever. Listen, he's prayed over Norma. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not impressive. Yeah. It's so flipping simple.

Right. Yes. And then immediately after her daughter was able to eat. Right. A whole burger. Or whatever it was. I don't know she ended up their burger. Like I think they went to like Burger King or something.

Wait, no, KFC. It was a KFC. They wanted McDonald's and then went to KFC. Yeah. That's exactly what I think. And even with Jesus, when the Roman soldier or the Roman officer, he, like, I don't even say what Jesus said. He was just so amazed by his faith.

And then they said when they got back, the, the servants got back. his friends got back, I said that he was healed. It doesn't even say that Jesus prayed anything. He was just amazed by the faith. And he's like, I've never seen such faith like this. Yeah.

That's because, and even this Tom Loud guy goes, this guy, his name is Pete Cabrera, who he got that revelation to knowledge from. He said, sometimes he doesn't, if he, like the one time

where he was watching this guy, Pete Cabrera pray over this woman, he prayed, he said something, super short, super simple. And then when it didn't get the results that he was believing for and the woman he was praying for, it didn't, all he did was repeat the movements of touching her shoulder. His other hand was on her elbow, I think, or her forearm, and then, or her wrist, it was her wrist. So shoulder and

wrist, he just put his hands on shoulder, and he said nothing, said nothing, waited a second in that moment and held the wrist in the shoulder, put his, took his hand, took his hands on. He said nothing. He said nothing. He said nothing. He said nothing. He said nothing. He took his hands away and then said do it again try and do what i just told you to do and she could actually do the full entire movement so just following the steps of jesus but i would literally on my way here thinking man like we are so carnal i know we are and then the lord started showing me okay Andrew Amak doesn't preach or doesn't pray like that um tom doesn't do that tom doesn't do it on purpose. Right.

Pastor Rodney doesn't do that. Doesn't do it on purpose. Like if you've ever had them pray over you, like it's like you might just get only one word power from Pastor Rodney. That's it. Fire. I mean, Peter's shadow healed people. Yeah.

He didn't even say anything. His shadow healed people. So all to the point of Spirit Man being bigger. Mm-hmm. is vitally, vitally important in order to see the results that you're believing for. But it's actually, why are we not seeing what we're believing for? Because we're believing wrong. Because our carnal man is so big that we think it has to look a certain way for it to actually take effect.

And I have been guilty of this when people have prayed over me. Like, I'm like Carly. Like, that's it. Yeah. That's all you got? Yeah. When I was much younger in my faith, I was like, there should be more to this than that, you know?

It didn't need to be all of that. But I didn't realize when I was younger, spiritually, I didn't read my Bible like I was supposed to. There you go. So I thought it should look more. I didn't realize Jesus literally said nothing except a few words, if that. And so it's like once we start putting all these puzzle pieces together, then we realize, man oh man this is why I'm not seeing what I'm believing for right well even just sometimes your perspectives off like I think of like the Israelites I just looked it up the things that they were

seen throughout the time where they were getting every single day there were miracles happening but they still hadn't reached the promise land and so sometimes like you for like you're looking for that big thing like I said yesterday or Wednesday like you're looking for the big thing but like all these miracles are happening every single day like just the fact that you wake up in the morning with breath in your lungs like sometimes we forget and then then we're like getting so mad at God for not doing the one big thing. But he's like, like look at your daughters. Look at your family. Look at the roof over your, like we forget those things. And then we start creating this like ungrateful heart,

which we go back to being grateful. But you're missing all the miracles every day. Like there's things happening every day around you and we're missing them all. You know, it's so true. And I think about that even with provision. Yes. Because you talk about the Israelites, all that provision that came to them, and they kept being scared that they weren't going to have food to eat, that they weren't going to have water to drink. After over and over and over again, he had proven, God had proven himself, even sometimes out of anger. Yeah. Yeah.

He had proven himself. And I just sit there and go, there are people, like, there are literally people that, first of all, this doesn't count for people who don't pay a tithe. I'm not, if you're not paying your tithe, then Malachi is, is for you. Like the scriptures in Malachi, you're not, you don't need, that's the missing step for you. If you're not being, if you're like financially having hardship, it's because you're missing one of the biggest steps, which is to pay your tithe. Okay. You're missing an element of, of what the covenant requires. So when I say this, I'm, I'm, you're not who I'm talking to.

because you need to do the first step, which is pay your tithe. And that's one of the things I think is so crazy is because people literally, again, we tell them that God's going to do all these things for you, but we miss the steps in order to get them to that. And then people get frustrated when they don't see a realized in their life. Yeah, and then God doesn't come through for you. Well, he does, but the person you're listening to... Are you in order?

Right. Doesn't tell you what it takes to get those things and be in order. Exactly. You want a great marriage? Are you living it out as it's like in scripture? Yeah. Like are you being an Ephesians wife? A Proverbs, yeah, a Proverbs.

31 woman. Are you being a husband? Ephesians 5 husband? Yeah. I mean like. Literally. Don't expect it. Are you, is there a lot of quarreling and arguing or complaining and arguing?

Because scripture says you're not. You wear the pants in your family? Yeah, like all these things, like if you want the results of them, there are steps. There is an order, exactly. But I think to myself, like for people who need financial provision, whether it be for groceries that are being put on to eat this week or to pay their rent or their mortgage payment or whatever it is, what I would be doing if I was in your situation, which, listen, kind of am when it comes to this church because like money I was telling Tracy money flows out of this place like it's

like there's no tomorrow just from repairs alone and just to run the day to days like it's not it's not what people think I mean like people think oh big church lots of provision there is lots of provision but what happens is when you have a four million dollar damage done to a building well and you're doing things correctly, then you're not, you, like, like most churches are size have way bigger staff. We don't. We keep it way bigger.

Yeah. Like somebody like, hmm. I mean, I know way bigger than what we have. Yeah. And we do not. And all of us wear many, many hats. So we are, we try to be very good. of the money God gave us. First of all, that's what I would ask you. Are a good steward of the money

God has given you thus far? If you're not seeing, if you're in financial provision, you're having financial issues, are you following certain things? Are you a good steward of the money God has already given you? Are you paying your tithe? If you are those two things, like I don't worry about financial provision for the church or my house because I try. I try. I end do everything biblically as my eyes are open to things and new revelation. And if I'm not operating in that, then I'm like, ooh, I'm implementing that. Okay. And then I see the results of the implementation.

We all don't got it going on, people. We all need to know that there's always something we can learn. If you think you've arrived, you're going to find out quickly that you haven't. So when you see something that you're not doing, then you implement those things. it's all a matter of the heart. Are you operating in the right place and the Lord always comes through? But if you're paying your tithes and your offerings,

watch out because you need to write those things down where he's come through for you every single time. And you need to stand on that. You need to shut your mind off. You need to tell it to shut up. Right. Not think about anything. Let your spirit ban rule and watch God come through.

Because that's what's going to happen. Yeah. Every single time. Yeah. Every single time. I would strongly suggest writing down every single time. If you're a person that has a problem with right now standing in faith and believing for what God's promises are, every single time God does it for you, you need to write it down so you can remind yourself,

if he did it here, he'll do it here. I don't even have to write anything down. I got such a long grocery list. Every day. How God just come through for me. Every day. Literally. that for me, like I can look at a week ago.

Yeah. Or more recent. You know, I can see over and over and over again how God just never, has never, ever relented and held back from me. Yeah. And it doesn't always happen in the hour in which I believe it should. Right. But it's always happened.

Yep. And so for me, I rest in that and I know. Like if he, if a check has come in the mail. just at the nick of time. Yeah. A check another check will come in the mail in just a nick of time or some other way of provision for you to whatever you're believing for. Yep. Yep.

But you got to be doing things right too. Yeah, that's who. You can't be out there like having financial hardship and then be out there. What? Killing your wife. Yeah, killing your wife. You can't be having financial hardship and then be going out to dinner every single night. Yeah.

I mean. That will preach. You just can't. That's not being a good steward of your money. And going on to eat in faith. You know what I mean? Like there has to be a level of like, because I think it's in, I think it's in infusions.

Like he gives us spiritual wisdom. Not our own understanding, our own wisdom, but he gives us spiritual wisdom. And if we're, we're checking in with the Holy Spirit, he will let us know. Right. You know, like get your house in order. Maybe not go out to eat as often as you do. Or you're a person that loves to go shopping. Right.

Don't shop for a while. Stay off TikTok shop. Because there's some people that are addicted or they have to have what everybody else has. I've seen that, I've seen that mindset and that mentality take people down, I mean, to divorce. Wow. It just steals your joy. It does. I mean, people having separate bank accounts oftentimes is because one person knows how to manage money well.

And the other person is not managing money. at all. And so that's wrong too, by the way, scripturally speaking. If you're married, you should have a joint bank account. And that's a non-negotiable. That's a not, that, that is a non-negotiable. It should be a non-negotiable. But the thing is, is like, you have to be able to store your money and stored it well. And if you go into debt, make sure whatever that debt is, this is a thing that I think a lot of people don't think about. But if you go into debt, make sure that debt is something that will make you money versus not make you money. Appreciating asset. Yes. There you go. Be smart. That's proud. Be smart because don't go in debt if it's something that goes in the negative.

And if you do go into the negative, make sure you have some source or some way that you could be able to pay that sucker off right then and there if need be. Yep. Because then are you really in debt? Right. No. Because you have the money. You're just like having that money make you money more than the debt is making you.

Do you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. I know exactly what you're saying. There's a smart way and a wrong way. I literally feel like I literally feel like I told Tracy this. We got to have a financial, which I think one might be coming. I'm not 100% sure just yet, but we need to teach people about finances. It's 100% needed.

And I told Tracy about this. I tested the market about four months, three months ago, maybe not even. Two months ago, I posted some stuff out on TikTok and it did, like, it was crazy. Like it was some of my highest and best stuff that people were like, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, and I'm like, obviously this is needed. Yes. Which I had, I sensed something. What was that I'm sure? You were sensing.

I was sensing something. So we need that because I don't think people really, first of all, we don't teach our kids it. Second of all, we don't teach our kids. Most kids aren't parented anymore. They're left to their own demise. Back in my day, a lot of gin Xers were stupid and they were like, I let my kids make their own decision. They did get to decide. I'm like, they're freaking three years old.

What are you talking about? You're letting them be. Or we're friends. I'm like, what? Your friends? I ain't friends with my kids. Well, actually, not true. With Tommy, it's not that I thought I was his friend, but I argued with him like he was.

That was not good. It was a struggle. It was a struggle. There's no peace when that's the, like. I wondered if he was parenting me at times. Okay. Who was parenting who? Yeah. It's absolutely needed. And it goes so beyond just financial. It's it's stewarding what he

is put on your plate well across the board. Yes. Yeah. And it has to be through. Because some people think that they're so good with money, but they're really stingy with money because they're, they're stewarding their money. They're not even going to the Lord about it and saying like, okay, Lord, I want to steward this well. What does that look like to you? Because people like, well, I steward my money so well, but they don't help anybody. Well, yeah. This money and they're doing nothing with it for the Lord. Some people are so cheap too. That. And they're not stingy.

They're just cheap. No, no, no. Oh, no. They're not stingy. Yeah, they're cheap. Cheapness. I can't stand it. It's a, it's no, bueno. No, bueno. People, people, and I'm not saying cheap in that you won't give. Right. Cheap in that you're cheap about everything. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

And there's people I don't give. And those type of people, they cut corners in every area. It's not just money. It's every area. And then they can be very critical of those. And it's like, yeah, that. It's like, yeah, they're like, well, I'm such a good steward of my money. And look at me.

Look at all that. I'm like, yeah, but who have you helped? Have you helped anybody? Like, what have you done? They're like, oh, yeah, back in 1984. There's actually a parable. Ooh, let's hear it. The parable of the talent.

Yes. Don't hide your talents. Don't, don't bury them because. Didn't work out good for it. Yeah, exactly. That did not end well. I know. I'd rather be in debt.

Right. Same. Same. Yeah. I'm not kidding you. Me either. And that's not because I'm giving to other people. Right. That's because I cannot and will, I cannot.

And there are people that take pride. They're very prideful about about either the amount of money that they have saved. But I'm like, you're freaking cheap. Right. Right. Like you go out and you share meals together. Yeah. Or everybody drinks water. Right. Or like, or they won't go out ever, ever. Won't do anything. Won't ever celebrate it. No. Yeah, there is a better way, guys. There's a better way. There's a way. There's a way. It's rooted in fear. Yeah. It really is. It's just a scarcity mindset. Like you, it's just there is a better way. in debt than live like that. Yeah, there's a better way. Because that's not good.

There is a fear. It is. It's rooted in fear. You're not going to have enough for tomorrow. It's not, especially as a believer. If you're a believer and that's you, check your heart. But here's my thing is you're not in debt and you're cheap, but you'll go to a place that like, have you ever been like, I've heard of people doing this.

They'll go to. Disney, they'll get the meal, buy the whole meal thing. And then there's like maybe five in the family. They'll buy two of the meal things. And then they, two people will do the meal and then they'll have the rest of the people sit down at the table. And then the tube with the meal keep going back and forth and feeding the whole entire family. Okay, that's cheating, stealing, which is a sin. Being a debt's not a sin. What you're doing is sinning. Because you're you're stealing. You're saying that only two people are eating a meal when five people are eating the meal. It's stealing all under the guise of being cheap. Right. And to not be in debt.

Be in debt or don't go. Or claiming your kid is like under one to get in. Oh my gosh. You know what? Back in the day, if we, me and Tom ever like did anything like there was an age requirement and it was kind of like, we always said, our child is this age years old because they would like not ask you. And they're like going to let your kid go in. And we'd always say, no, no, no, they're this age. They're just small. Right. And then we go like, don't worry about it. Just let them go in. Okay. If you're making that decision, I'm okay with that. Right. But I'm not going to like hope you say nothing and let us scoot in. Yeah. I know. Like that's what people do. That's the, because it's like a tweener.

Right? No, it's not. Yeah, I know. It's not. And what is that like $3 save? Like just that like, oh, I know. It's like such a yucky feeling. And then that calluses your heart to like the next thing. And then you can do it a little bit more and a little bit more.

That's the little 11. It is. Just spend the five bucks. Yeah. Or don't go. Like you said, don't go. It's. Or don't go.

Yeah. Or 20 bucks. My whole thing is, it's like people are always like, I'm like, one's heaven and hell. And the other one is, like, it says not to be in debt, but it also says for you to loan to people. So for Christians to loan to people, we're supposed to be, so borrowing wasn't a sin because obviously you're, it's an opportunity. Well, the thing that Israelites us with the year of Jubilee were. They were indebted to one another. Right.

So it wasn't a sin to be in debt. 100%. And people forget this. It's not a sin to be in debt. Is it the wisest thing to be in debt? No. But my thing is, is what are you indebted to and doesn't make you money? If it's making you money and you're making capital on, I went in debt for my house. Right.

Okay. My house is now triple what I paid for it, though. So like, did I make a bad financial decision or did I make a really smart financial decision? Right. I made a flippin' smart financial decision. Right. Yep. So you can't, like, I don't know.

Check in with the Lord. Yes. But again, be a good steward of your money. Right. And if you are in debt, make sure you have the money that if you needed to, you could get out of the debt immediately. Yeah. Otherwise, don't do it. Yeah.

But a lot of times people are like, I got a raise. That means I can go and buy this. No, you can't. That's very true. No, you can't. Yeah. Don't buy anything else unless you really need it until you are financially. financially secure. There's just wisdom and things, right? That has nothing to do about what we're

believing for, but it just goes to show like there are steps to certain things. And if we are missing those steps and what we're wanting to get, if you don't follow again, it's baseline, right? No, why are we not seeing what we believe for? Because I have friends that are like, well, not friends, but I have people in my life that'll say, you know, everything keeps breaking. All these things are happening. And I just can't get ahead. And then God's like, they're not typing. So then I Are you tithing? And I'm like, you know, to answer me. But like, just like take that before the Lord. They're not. And it's the always I can't afford to. And so like what you're saying, like, that's step one. So everybody wants to be ahead and be at this, like, look at other people around them that are

doing all these great things financially, pay for people's mortgages. But they're not, they refuse to do step one. Right. They want the end result, the end goal without doing step one. So that's why you're not seeing what you believe for because you aren't doing step one. And if you're honest with the Lord, he'll be honest with you. So check it, ask him. Yeah. In a kind way, not in condemnation. Right.

Right. No, 100%. It'll be very, like, godly. Sometimes it doesn't even matter how kind you are. They take it as condemnation. And that's like, so frustrating because, and the thing is, it's like, it's like Vanessa and Jeff counsel people. Tom and I have counseled people.

Tracy, you counseled people. Some of the people that despise you the moment. are the ones that came to you for counsel. And it's like, I didn't come to you. I didn't ask you to bear your dirty laundry to me. But you asked me, and your dirty laundry is exposed, and I have to tell you the truth about it. And you can do it as nice as you possibly can, but people still don't like it. And they get bothered by it.

And then they're offended or they're so bothered that you know all this stuff about them. now they're embarrassed but it's like then change the stuff that I know about you right I wonder if there's like this secret that we're keeping that will unlock it for them and there's not this magical thing right you got to do something it's no a lot of it is four essentials are you reading your bible are you praying that's what I was going to say a while ago is like I think the first step for everybody, if you're going to complain about not seeing what you believe for, if you haven't read the Bible in its entirety, don't get frustrated about not believing, not seeing what you're believing for. Read the entire Bible first. And then you can maybe have

the opportunity to complain because, like, why I'm not seeing what I'm believing for. Because there are times it's frustrating. You know what you know. You know you believe for this and you're not seeing it. And then God can handle the frustration. But he'll bring you back a verse because you read your Bible and he studied the word and so he'll bring verses back to you and then you can't be as frustrated because you're like oh yeah he did do that for the Israelites oh yeah he Jesus even dealt with this and oh yeah and so all of a sudden you're reconciling what the Bible says versus like what your own mind and thoughts and and what you're trying to make sense of it and the understanding part of it like trying to have your own understanding so if you're frustrated that you're not seeing what you believe

for have you read the entire Bible through and if you haven't that's step one for you. Yeah. That's my advice. But even better, Dysette, if you have something that you're believing for. Perfect. Yes. Let's say it's financial provision, right? It's not even healing. Financial provision is no different than healing. It's a promise. Actually, like, it's not only on the cross, but it's in, again, like throughout scripture, that if you do this, this is what I'll do for you. Like that is like a abundant A smack to the forehead, right?

Yes. Dissect, start studying, get in the word and dissect specific scriptures And there's a lot of them on financial provision. Study that out. So that you have a clear understanding of what the steps of being in order are And doing those things. Listen, none of us have got it going on. Like we just don't.

And what I just say. Yeah. And God's word says a lot about managing money, especially in Old Testament. And that's why I, Jeff was telling me about this interview. He was listening to like a podcast and there was a rabbi on the podcast and he was getting interviewed and they were like, why do you think the Jewish people are so blessed in the area of like finances? Like they're such a small population yet they have the most percentage of wealth. Yeah. It's one high restraint. Um, and they go because and then the rabbi said it's because you Christian spend all your time in the New Testament where in the, we spend our time in the Old Testament and in the Old Testament is where God lays out how to handle money. And it's true. I mean, it's, I mean, not what he said was true. I'm just saying like if we like studied our scripture out and like spend time and what God's word says about scripture and a lot of it is in the Old Testament. like God lays it out pretty clear on how to manage, grow, steward, all of it. Well, if you look at all of the, Tom has it on his podcast all the time. Yeah.

Like all of the largest companies from Porn Hub to like from the worst to even not the worst, they're Israeli-based companies. No way. Yeah, they are. Pornhub is owned by Jews. Yeah, a rabbi. Very disappointed. Yeah, it's like, I mean, the company I work for, huge, huge technological,

tech, mobile technology. And it's Israeli base. I mean, it's the largest one, and nobody can even compete with it. Like, if you go over to Israel, and if you go into Tel Aviv and outside of Tel Aviv, Tel Aviv is very liberal, but if you go into where the company that, the city that, the company that I work for was in, it's like not New York, but it's like going into like Dallas, Texas or Tampa, a very large, corporate-based city and tall buildings, major corporations there and they're huge and yeah it absolutely is correct but i don't know if

they're following biblical principle as far as like my friend that i i know people who literally pay their tithes but they're not saved they just understand the biblical principle right so that rabbi saying that yeah part of that is he's very accurate but he's ain't saved. Right. Exactly. He ain't going to heaven until he's, Jesus is the way. The only way. So you're just applying biblical principle without actually living biblically. You're going to tell me that porn hub, like, are you kidding me? That's, I did not know that. That makes me really sad. No, you need to check. I mean, if you look at the corporations, the largest ones owned, I mean, Apex is there for a reason. So I'm just saying it's not good.

Yeah. It's not good. And pretty much if you look at every corporation that is out there, that is a major, the biggest ones out there, they're Israeli owned. They are owned by a Jewish. And correct me if I'm wrong. I could be very ignorant in this statement. But the Jews of today are different than the biblical Jews, right?

Correct. Okay. Which, like, like, I only know. I only know. I was telling Tom this last night, or not yesterday. Like some of the stuff that Tom or I think, I think it was Tommy and Aaron that introduced Tom to like some of the revelation.

They got that revelation from other things that they watch that brought things together for them. Okay. But I can tell you, I already knew. And I was already telling Tom, this years ago in in like 2017

to yeah 2017 when I started working for that Israeli-based company I was like this ain't good these people are these people are not practicing first of all right they are not good people I will never work for Israeli based people they they are not Jewish

like they're not like when I went to Israel and I went into Israel and I went into Jerusalem and the section that is where the true Jews, I'm like, they're good people guys. I mean, they are like, it's sad. Yeah, I, those are really beautiful people. But if they, I don't know, like, how they'll go to heaven if they don't ever accept Jesus. That's why the two witnesses are going to go in there and try and get those people. Yeah.

But they, it is the, like when I work for that company, it is like propagating homosexuality. we had so many, like, we had a lot of homosexuals that work for that company, and they were embraced, and it was, I was, like, shocked. Like, Pride Month was, I mean, it was just crazy. If you go over to Israel, when you go into Tel Aviv, it is liberal, it is, like, it is terrible. It is, there's the Talmud and the Torah. Okay, this is what I learned that I did not know, but it makes complete sense. to me. And these are the things that Aaron and Tommy shed light on. Tom, I think, may have already

known it. I don't know. But it's the scripture that says, and you need to go back and you need to listen to Tom's podcast on Tuesday night because he breaks it down. If you bless Israel, you'll be blessed. And all that, that is inaccurate. He's touched on it in the service. But he, I told Tom, that's why I said to him yesterday. I'm like, oh, my gosh, the way you broke that down, his numbers climbed. He was at over 500 that night. His numbers climbed and went nuts because I think he was shedding light on people

what the scriptures really say and the scriptures as we believers and what Paul was telling us and what we're under is the Abrahamic covenant. Not if you bless Israel you'll be blessed. That wasn't even what that scripture means and that's what we've all been taught. It's like pre-tribulation,

mid-tribulation, post-tribulation. We've all been taught something. But have we been taught accurately? That's what this is. There's the Torah and the Telmud. The true Jew lives by the Torah, which is generally the five books, first five books,

then the prophets. It's not even necessarily all of the Old Testament. Even though I think, I could be wrong about this, I do believe that they do pay it to. Telmud, though, is not. Tell me is something totally different. It does have, it's like every other book that, like Catholicism has added to the Bible.

The Talmud is like that. But the telmud's dangerous. And that's what most Jewish people live and breathe and eat and drink and read. Is it like the book of Mormon? You know how we have, Mormons have the Bible. They use the same Bible that we do. And then they have the book of Mormon. But yet they, they correct.

and they cite the book of Mormon more. Look up Talmud and see if it's, I don't think, I think it's, I don't think it's intertwined. I feel like I've, I've read parts of the Talmud. It's not good. Yeah. It's not good at all. It's a multi-volume library of commentary, legal ruling, and stories compiled over centuries by rabbis discussing how to apply biblical laws to every day life. And then there's the Bible that's separate. So it is like the book of Mormon. But do they put in the Talmud, do they have things like their other like Jehovah Witness intermingle the Bible in the scriptures of their one book? I think that's what the Talmud is, though. It will take stuff from the Torah and put it in with the Talmud. I feel like that's, I might be wrong.

It's not say, I asked if it has. Yeah, it says the Hebrew word telmed, student or disciple appears once in scripture. So is the telmed. See, if we had Tommy or if we had Aaron here, they'd break that sucker down for us. They would know. It says the text is made up of 63 tracticles, each covering one subject area. The telmit is written in a combination of Arabic and Hebrew. So it doesn't sound like it is scripture.

It sounds like it's a separate. It's like commentary. But I just don't, I didn't know if it had, and I don't know for sure, but for some reason I thought it had parts of it put in there. But I could be completely wrong. I don't know. I don't think so. But I'm just telling you, it ain't good. Yeah.

So the true Jew follows the Torah. Yeah. Then they're like, all I can think is the dirty Jew, but it's not, that's not accurate. That's not the right way to say it. But there's a whole other sect that follow the Talmud, not the Torah. And that's the largest majority. The larger majority follows the Telmud. They do not follow the Torah.

And that's why they're very open to being extremely liberal in their religion. That makes sense. It's not good. Because it sounds like all it is. It's like man-made like commentary. Like they're, yeah, their, their, their revelation, I guess. Records of teachings from. Yeah.

I mean, it's very similar to Catholicism. Yeah. As far as like taking scripture and then meshing and molding it into something. It was today years old. Yeah. When I. Mm-hmm. Learned that.

That's not good. No, it's not. But it made complete sense to me because I was telling Tom yesterday. I was like, like, it's not as if we didn't know it because of me working for that other company because I would tell him stuff. I'd be like, Tom, like, what the what? And he, you know, it all made complete sense. It all added up by then. And, but it's pretty wild.

It's pretty wild. It's crazy. Well, that's it. We're five minutes over. We did not stick to the script. Shucker. When do we, though? That's okay.

I'm surprise, surprise. That's okay. Squirrel. And that's all right. Oh, man. So, all right, we will see you crave Saturday night. Right. 7 p.m.

There is child care. So Saturday night, we'll see you at crave Sunday morning, live in person, or on live stream. But tonight. is Tom's live. I don't even know what his topic is. But it's going to be good, I'm sure of it. Tonight is his live podcast, Bible, Bible, Bible. And he loves it.

And he had his best numbers last week. It was like 140 live. Something like that. It's amazing because he's only been doing it. And then he was down for the count because of his butt. And I was filling in for him. So that's saying something. That was fun.

Yeah, that was fun. Whatever. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you tonight, tomorrow, and then Sunday. I told you I'm never off. Bye.