The Horror Returns - The Action Returns - Ep. #13: Demolition Man (1993) & Timecop (1994)

Episode Date: September 25, 2020

This episode Brian and Nez jump all over time with two action films with the 1993 film DEMOLITION MAN and 1994's TIMECOP. Join The Action Returns Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/841619946357776    

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Oh, wow, this is my favorite. Even kids with chicken pox love hot dogs Are hot dogs The dogs Kids love to buy Back in the free body To another episode of the action returns This is episode 13

I'm your host Brian With me as always as Nez What's up? I'm good brother How you doing up there? Oh surviving It's getting cold up here Weather's not been great

But uh... can't complain It was like 80 low, I think of like 81 today. We're pushing 59 right now and still in the 80s. Then we go back to the 90s next week. I thought we were going to drop to the 70s, but I guess not. Still summer since I guess it's fall now. I don't know. But weather is wacky down here.

Still all smoky. It cleared up for a few days, and then the wind shifted, and now it's all back. So it's burning up in the house, fans everywhere, and it sucks. I can get some of that heat because it's getting chilly. Like how chilly? What's chilly? Let's see what it is right now. It is 27 degrees.

Oh, man. And my app on my phone's actually telling me is supposed to snow tonight, which completely just ruined my day right there. When it snows, is it like feet or inches? You know, with the weather has been changing, you know, not just here, you know, everywhere. It's the last few years it'll snow and then it'll be gone like in a day or. too, but it used to be like when it snowed at first, it would just dump, like, feet. But our winters haven't been actually that cold.

So sometimes there's been a couple days where it's snowed, then it's melted, then it snows, then it melts. So, you know, we'll just have to see. All righty. Well, when it snows here, yeah, soon. as the sun comes out, it's like gone. So the kids run out there playing it when they can, and then the next day it's mud. So it sucks for them,

especially when they're all sledding down the street. I mean, they'll go out there at night if it's snowing, just to play in the snow, because they know once the sun comes out in the morning, that's it. So, but I'm past all that. I'm too old to be out there. Yeah, me, me too. All right.

You ready to get into these movies? Let's do it. All right, we're going to start with 1993's Demolition Man. He's a cop from the 90s Who just woke up In the 21st century.

Not many people get a second chance, John Sparver. She's his new partner. What I wouldn't do for some action? With all the right moves. I'm impressed. And all the wrong phrases. Take this job You can shovel it.

Close enough. Sylvester Stallone, Wesley Snipes, Demolition Man, rated R, starts Friday, October 8th at a theater near you. A police officer is brought out a suspended animation in prison to pursue an old, ultra-violent nemesis who is loose in a non-violent future society. This stars, of course, Sylvester Stallone, Wesley Snipes, Sandra Bullock, Who else has got Nigel Hawthorne

Benjamin Brad Dennis Leary Bill Cobb Bob Gunton Glenn Shattix and a whole bunch of other people this is directed

by Marco Brambilla I never heard of that name this is produced of course by Joel Silver screenplay by Daniel Walters Robert Rennow and Peter M. Lenkov.

What did you think of Demolition Man? Isn't Jesse the body in this as well? I'm trying to... Yeah, he's in there for like five seconds. All right. Demolition Man. Was this before or after Judge Dredd? Oh, this... I hope it was before.

Okay. I think it was before Demolition Man This is one I can watch over and over I mean it comes on TV like all the time We did see it the first weekend It opened I mean because this was

Probably the end Or coming towards the end of a slides In the theater run Because then it just went straight to VOD With a ton of films Which some of those were awesome as well Don't count him out. I enjoyed this one for what it was, the futuristic thing.

I mean, I think the biggest thing to me before I actually saw the film was, I don't know if any of you guys read The Inquirer. I read him a lot because my job had him laying all over the place. The pictures of Stallone, they were saying, there's new pictures of Stallone in his new film and demolition man. And I'm like, what? And then they show him standing there, but then there's something over him. so I'm like okay well I guess he's gonna show all his glory to us in this one

they didn't so I was I guess you gotta print stuff to to print the National Inquirer I think that's still in print unless it just went straight to online but I don't know but anyways that was the first things that I had seen before the the trailer came out trailer came out I was like oh sweet Wesley Snipes Sandra Bullock and I was like all right cool a futuristic Stallone film because I want to say

I think the last futuristic Stallone film if Judge Dred wasn't in front of this but I'm pretty sure it was after what I would probably say was Death Race 2000 that was in the future I don't think he did anything

sci-fi-wise I mean that I can think of maybe someone's yelling at me about some other film but overall I did love this film it's pierre stollone it's peer wesley snipes a lot of action a few one-liners here and there and uh I think it was like an action comedy because there was a lot of comedy in this you also you have what's his nuts in it um when he's on the screen he's just as funny uh Dennis Larry all his little one-liner things were good um and Rob Schneider yeah Rob Schneider he was

funny when he popped up on the screen. It says Jack. Jack Black was one of the wasteland scraps. I didn't see him. I, if he was, I mean, it was probably young Jack Black before we knew who he was now. Yeah, there he is.

I have to rewatch it again. I wasn't paying attention for Jack Black, so I don't know. But this was something new to me. I didn't know this. The mainframe computer voice was Adrian Barbot, she was uncredited. So that's pretty sweet. But yeah, I mean, overall, this film was good. I liked it for what it was.

It didn't really waste time. It jumps right into a futuristic Los Angeles when it's just hell on earth and probably predicted the future because Hollywood was on fire. And so, I mean, I thought all that was cool. And then we find out who the demolition man is, John Spartan, Sylvester Stallone, just alone and his arch nemesis, Simon Phoenix, awesome. The blade, the original blade before the sticky fingers. And who's the new blade?

Mahershala Ali. Yeah. I can't wait for that, but I don't know what's happening now. I know Marvel just halted everything. But I don't know. When it comes out, definitely we'll be back to talk about it. Sandra Bullock, I had seen her and some other things. I know Speed was before this one

And there was One movie I think it was love potion number nine I think that was Oh yeah Late 80s I would say Benjamin Bratt It was cool to see him

I liked him in all kinds of films Dennis Lurie was a comedian And he was all over MTV When MTV was MTV now it's not But yeah I mean I thought it was cool man I mean like I said It jumps off right

into the action and then it rolls into the comedy and then the action begins and it just went from there all the way to the end there was a couple slow parts in the film but it was more of just story building of who Simon Phoenix was and who Dr. Raymond is it Cocktoo cocktail yeah who he was and his new it wasn't called Los Angeles what was it San Angeles yeah It's be well and all that type of stuff. But overall, man, I thought the film was awesome. I definitely love it. This is one I can watch over and over.

And if you are flipping around on the channels, I know I'd seen it a billion times. No matter what part it's on, I'll click on to it and watch it and still enjoy it all the way to the end. But yeah, Demil and this man, I think it's an awesome film. Yeah, I agree with you. I can watch this anytime. It comes on, you know, Stallone. is great in it, Wesley's badass in it. This is one of the

films I really like Sandra Bullock in it. Don't really get much of Benjamin Brad. You know, he'll always be Paco to me from Blood in, Blood Out. Yes. But you don't really get much of him. I like Dennis Larry in it. Yeah, the comedy was there.

And I really like these future movies watching them to watching these old future movies for them trying to figure out what the future was going to be like. And I'm so glad a lot of this didn't happen with the, because in this future, you can't eat anything good. You can't smoke. You can't do.

There's so many things you can't do because you can't have salt. And it is ridiculous. You have to get a license to have a bait. Which, well, I don't know. Maybe that might be a good idea for certain people. But, but yeah the action was good we got to see uh i like the difference in styles because you know stalone in his movies he's just brute force and then you got the martial art style of uh

Wesley snipe simon phoenix and um yeah i remember when this movie came out the whole taco bell thing uh as soon as this movie came out dennis robin had the blonde hair and they were calling him they were calling it the demolition man style and yeah love this movie um a few years back they i thought they were gonna announce a demolition man too but they didn't um at the san diego comic con they had one of those pop-up uh little restaurants and it was taco bell and they were going it was the whole uh demolition man thing because um back in what was it what was the year in this 200 2,000 32 uh taco bell basically takes over and I was kind of like wait what so when I we were walking around uh downtown

um San Diego and we saw this taco bell but it didn't it was only going to be open for one night which was stupid and the line went like around the block a few times and I was like I'm not staying in that line just to get a taco so but I mean what it looked cool and everything and they were handing out demolition man stuff but um forgot where I was going with this um

what did you say right before I started talking about Taco Bell sorry everyone it's late I was talking about Dennis Rodman oh yeah um yeah he was good on the court yes but but Wesley yes he did have the blonde hair I didn't like it

the first time I saw it but then it just I was like all right you're used to it now but I thought this was a different kind of Wesley because we had seen him and all kinds of other films

but then when this one him to be the bad guy I wouldn't say this was the first film where he was the bad guy but as far as action did his action films already start this time let's put up right here

passenger 57 that one was before this. Because everything else he had New Jack City, Jungle Fever, White Man Can't Jump. He wasn't King in New York, but he was more of a co-star. I think, looking at IMDB, it looks like his jump to action was Passenger 57 and 92, which we definitely need to cover. I love that film. Oh, we will.

Yeah, it looks like he started there, Passenger 57, because then everything. else he started doing all that they did a demolition man video game yeah I think it was back in the day I don't think it was that great I don't even I know they made everything

in the video games but I don't remember that but I think out of everybody in this film I mean we already know who Stallone is and oh was for Sega okay I had Sega but I never saw this game but um

he was probably to me the standout character in this, Simon Phoenix. So, I mean, I really loved what he did. I mean, he kicks ass, of course. He knows the martial arts. I thought that was pretty sweet. What I loved was what they did to them

when they put them in the little cryogenic freeze thing. Or when they, I guess when they, some of them that were, because they froze them and then didn't they know they did the trial first and then they froze them or am i thinking vice versa they did the trial first i believe all right so uh because i was wondering me why why did they put the little uh chips or whatever in their heads to make them do uh like Stallone's when he when he got out he knew how to knit sweaters and blankets and stuff like that quilts i think it was for rehabilitation

I think that's what they said. So they would have a skill when they eventually got out, which I don't know. Like some of the names they were saying were on ice were like Jeffrey Dahmer. So I don't know when he was ever going to get out. Yeah. I mean, I figured if they did these to prisoners, especially to Simon Phoenix, he would have been frozen like forever. Because, I mean, when they ran down the list of stuff that he did, it was like all kinds

of shit. and John Spartan well he was blamed for the murders of all of Simon Phoenix's hostages so then he got frozen I kind of thought that one was

yeah you got all the bodies for evidence but they didn't seem like they really did much detective work but uh there was zero detective work they immediately told him you hope you have a lawyer

I was like damn He was still at the crime scene in there. I was like, all right, but I guess you do what you got to do to move the film along. Because what year was the beginning? I want to say it was in the 90s. In 1996. All right. And that was when it was just hell on earth in L.A.

Because that's when Simon Phoenix had like a bunch of hostages. He said he was going to kill them all. And then they'd call in the demolition man. And he comes in tearing in. He kind of reminded me of his entrance like in Cobra. How they call him and here he comes. So I thought that was sweet. And then he gets into it with Simon Phoenix.

But then he does find out that all those people were already dead. And because he was supposed to go in and get all the hostages, but Simon Phoenix wasn't going to do it because he was going to blow up wherever they were, whatever building they were in. Yeah. And one thing I really liked about how Wesley played this character, because this Simon Phoenix before he got frozen, you can tell he wasn't really a match for John Spartan,

not until he, when they put him on the ice and the cocktail guy kind of programs him with, you know, all the martial arts and all that extra stuff. I like how he played it right here. Yeah, I mean, because I think if, then that would have been the end of the film and we wouldn't have got what we got. But, yeah, I think totally Spartan could have just took out

Phoenix right then and there. Because I think he was one of those cops. He was going to go in. He was going to, like, I'm going to come out dead or alive. Or that, that's how the whole, I'm going to bring out Simon Phoenix dead or alive. I mean, that's the kind of cop he was in this. Basically, just if Cobra was still a police officer in 96, which he probably was. I mean, Cobra wasn't that long ago.

Good 10, 15 years, I would say. But, yeah, I liked how it started. I mean, this film, like, moved, like, really fast. It was, it was only 115 minutes long. It wasn't very long. And, like I said, it did drag in some spots, but, like, with the action into, to get more to the futuristic part of the film, it was, like, instantly. Like, this whole beginning scene was before the actual opening credits started,

which I thought was really sweet. I liked how they did that because after we find out that, that all those bodies were dead. and Simon Phoenix is telling the cops. He goes, I told him, but he didn't care. So that's how John Spartan gets framed for murder. And then they just freeze him. And this is when it comes into him standing near naked,

and they didn't show anything. So basically teased all the women in the world. They were going to cease alone. But I think you could cease alone before all that. Because from what I understand, I guess he dabbled in the adult entertainment in his earlier career. I never seen any of those, but that's just what I heard. Anyway, so.

Yeah, you do. I mean, the struggle is real, especially in the beginning stages of Hollywood. But I like, like I said, I love the beginning of the opening credits because once they put him into the little little circle chamber, plexiglass chamber. And it didn't look like they filled it up with water. It looked like it filled it up with some kind of goo or something. Yeah, it was more thicker. Yeah. And, uh, stunt and a half, uh, if that was to London.

really in there. I mean, because I'm sure he could probably push the top off if he needed air, but I loved how they filled that up and just I think more of the panic, if anything, if this was really possible before they dropped

in that little ball, that little blue ball, little blue marble that just froze you instantly. I thought that special, especially for, well, you had this come out, 93? I mean, I like the effect of that. I mean, because once that little thing hit, boom, and then it just instantly froze.

And then the credit start and you see different angles of Stallone's naked body. When she had muscles like everywhere, even in his cheeks, but not the ones on his face. So, I mean, I really like the opening sequences of everything on why, I mean, how they showed it all. Then we flash forward to how many years? Because it's 2032. 2032. So that's over 30 years. I think 44, 42.

All right, because it goes right. I'm doing the math wrong. It goes to 2032 San Angeles. I guess it was like a mega. I'm looking like this on Wikipedia. A megapagopolis form from the merger of Los Angeles, San Diego, and Santa Barbara. That's pretty big, especially from L.A.

to San Diego. I mean, that's, that's a lot of, basically the bottom half of California. But, um, I was wanted to know how the rest of California worked.

I don't know. I think it seemed like you, they never really mentioned any other parts of, of the country, much less California. They just focused on, uh, San Angeles.

And, um, I was like this, how did this, one dude, what was his name? Cocktoe. Yeah, how did he or what did he sell to everyone

to form his his own San Angeles, basically taken over? I guess he was, I don't think he was the mayor or governor of San Angeles. I don't know. How did he sell that to them? And was his laws everywhere or was it just his part of California? he's I don't know it's almost like he's a cult leader because one man pushing these kinds of changes on this big of area is you know I that's just how I kind of pictured him because they don't say he they just call him Dr. Cocktoe they don't say he's the president or the mayor or the governor or nothing and he I don't know I always kind of wanted that backstory because uh

to push these kinds of restrictions on people, you have to have a gift of gab right there. Yeah, I mean, I guess it would have to be a cult, but they went more with the Japanese style clothing with the kimono looking things. I don't think I would want to live in that type of California. I mean, that's why Dennis Lerrie, when they didn't want to

live that way. They didn't want to conform to these crazy laws, basically. And they just went underground. I don't know if I would win on the ground. I don't know if I would have been a part of this. I would have been a part of Dennis Larry's crew. And what was his name?

Fuck was his name. Yeah. Edgar Friendly. Yep. There you go. I'd have been more with Edgar Friendly's crew, but I don't know if I'd have been wearing rubber tires and all that. No, that was Simon Phoenix's crew.

They had the rubber tires and all that. Friendly's crew, some of them had that too. You know, apparently that's what you, you got to get Mad Max style for some reason. I don't know, man. I mean, rubber, especially rubber, tires, man. That's heavy. Simon Phoenix, he has

some big guys with him, so. I did, I did like the the styles of the Simon Phoenix and Edgar Friendly's crew. I have no way out I did the cocktail stuff because they just, they look stupid. Even, I mean, just the civilians of San Angeles, the way they were

walking around all the be well. I mean, I like that aspect of it. but no, I don't think I could wear all that crap. And the, the, the 2032 police uniforms, I mean, they weren't, they weren't even police uniforms. I mean, they just was like suits, really. But then again, there was no crime because they didn't, they didn't have guns. They had, what were those little flashy light sticks? Glow sticks or something.

Yeah. So, yeah, because when Simon, when Simon, Phoenix breaks out and he commits a murder, they have to look up what a 187 is because they have no idea what that means. I mean, even that scene when he starts going on his rampage and then Rob Schneider goes, where's police officers? We're not trained for that. I'm like, do you just, I want to be a police officer and all right, come on.

I'm like, I don't know. I guess it's a futuristic movie, but I don't know if I don't want to live in that type of future. Hopefully it ain't like that in 2032. Hopefully I'm around in that year. But, oh, man. I mean, but I did not like the other than the rules and the dressing. I didn't like the, the how I was, did they, were these actual buildings that were there or was this all sets that they built?

I mean, when they were outside. I'm going to go with sets because they never really went in anywhere other than the prison and the police station, Taco Bell, and Underground kind of seemed like everywhere they went. They, when they were driving around, when they were on their way to Taco Bell,

when, um, uh, and what the hell was Sandra Bullock's name? Lanina Huxley. Oh, yeah, I was about to say Huxley. There's a scene when they're driving, and they're just driving down the road. There's a futuristic-looking building. That's actually the, for those of you that don't know,

that's the San Diego Convention Center. I did not realize that, and I've been there a trillion times since 2005 for Comic-Con. I think not this watch, but the watch before is when I realized, shit, that's the convention center. I just never really paid attention. And by that, at that point, I think that was sometime last year when I watched. Whenever it hit Hulu, it was the before this previous watch was the last time I'd seen it. And I had seen it millions of times before that.

Never realized that that was the convention center. So I knew that place was a real building. but um the introduction to all the police officers and this was uh huxley uh garcia other than cocteau what was his little cronies dr cronies guy the guy from beetle juice what was also yeah that's what i think every time i see you uh associate bob yeah glen shaddick um i liked all that The main officer that I loved once they brought, well, Simon Phoenix and Spartan were both frozen and their little cryogenic prison that they thought out. What was the reasoning for unthawing Simon Phoenix? I don't remember.

Parole hearing. Okay. Because then when he got out, like we said, they put those rehabilitation things in him. And he just, he knew how to speak different languages and he didn't know how. And then he was able to break out of the thing. And before he went on his rampage and just started tearing up San Angeles. But then they needed someone to stop him because none of the cops of 2032 knew how to stop him. So that's when they were saying we need to get a cop that could.

And that's when they decided to unfree. He's John Spartan. Yeah. Send a maniac to catch a maniac. The part I liked is one after they unfrozen and he was like, he didn't know what the hell was going. Still on a Spartan. He didn't know what was going on. But when he got to the police station and they were trying to catch him up to speed and what was going on,

the one officer that he was friends with. Bill Cobbs, Zachary Lamb. Yeah, him. when he came in and he goes, Spartan is that you? And they turned around, oh shit, man, you're a damn good cop.

And other than you couldn't cuss, they must have really good, uh, speakers or microphones on those little things that they gave you an instant ticket for, um, the, I can't remember the morale code,

uh, for the violation of that, probably has to do with that chip. So I thought that was neat. And, uh, Dr. Cato was,

uh, the voice of almost everything. Because if, when he said the curse words is when you immediately started hearing him talk and then a little piece of paper came out. So I liked that he was there was a

one cop that knew him. Well he was the one that told him to get him out right? Yeah. Oh yeah, all right. So I thought he was cool. I like that actor. He's been in a ton of films. So. And then that's when they bring him out and then went all the action. What was the first thing is when they went into that museum?

Yeah, because the chief of police, which was played by Bob Gunton, they were trying to formulate where he's going to go for. And I guess they came up with the he's going to form a, he's going to build a new drug lab and supply drugs. And Spartan's like, no, he's going for a gun. And that's when they were like, well, the only place you can even view a gun is at the museum. All right. Yeah, that's when he showed up there. He was looking around and I liked when he was trying to open the cases because he didn't know how. And then he started kicking.

And that's when that guy comes up all nice. Hey, what's your boggle? And my boggle? How much do you weigh? He was giving that window a lot of force with those kicks he was doing. But just turning in one spin around and throwing that dude through who probably made. made like 140, 150, maybe. And he goes crashing through that.

That flex. Because it was obviously plexiglass when he was kicking it, but then it just turned the glass all of a sudden. Did, oh, no, well, did he show up, Spartan? Yeah. He only showed up with the little glow stick or glow rod or whatever those things were called. Yeah, he showed up as, uh, uh, Simon was, um, filling up his little duffel bag with guns. And he was trying to, he's trying to figure out how that,

apparently it was a futuristic gun or the, whatever the most futuristic gun that was in there. He was trying to figure out how to work that. I did like when he goes, hey, this is the future. Where's all the phaser guns? I've been saying that for years. Yeah, there was not one that you would even call like a phaser gun in there. No, I mean, the only, yeah, the only futuristic one was the one that you shot once.

and then it took like 10 hours to recharge. And I don't know if they were to put the ammunition right next to all these machine guns that he had, but hey, it's a movie. Because he went in and all he had was the glow stick. And then how did he get a gun? I think one was just laying there. He picked one up. It was a little sawed-off shotgun. Because then they started fighting.

And I did like the exhibit that they had of, I guess, the big earthquake. I can't remember what year they said it was. The one that was on the ground under the glass on the floor display. I thought that was pretty neat. But then they go crashing through that. Did he jump in a car right then? Or no? He fell on a car because Spartan shot that chandelier out.

And it came crashing down and he fell. And then I always laugh at the scene when he's. because Phoenix is whooping his ass because obviously he's been more Did they say he was physically enhanced too? Yeah, because after the whole commotion

shootout and a fight scene in the museum when he goes back to the police station, Spartan's telling and goes, how did he get this way? What did you guys do to him or not them or what happened? And that's when they told him that somebody did

whatever to him. added him, learned how to fight and everything. Because, yeah, because he knew that he could probably still take him, but then this was a different Simon Fingers. And he knew that there was something, that they did something to him,

to make him more stronger and everything. Yeah, because he was, he was whooping Spartan's ass. And I always laugh when Spartan swings that TV. He's like, oh, you're on TV now. You know,

he's just doing what he can to, to kind of just make up for the fact that he's, you know, they're at least are not equal no more because, you know, he's been enhanced, you know, physically and knows all these different martial arts and all that stuff. I like that scene right there. To go back really quick, I love this scene when Simon Phoenix goes up to that computer and just immediately knows what to do.

And while he's doing it, he's like, well, damn, I'm possessed. Because he didn't even know what he was doing, but his fingers were just doing it and he was looking oh he was looking up Edgar friendly because they showed a picture of him but at this point he was like he didn't

he didn't know what the hell was going on because he was doing that and that's when all the cops showed up and they just ended up taking them all out that's when there was I think that was right before they let Spartan out because when they were watching the videos they were like oh man we we don't know what to do and all this

shit and that's when um the other dude uh the one a black uh officer told him to uh get him out so uh bringing up that scene it kind of seems like maybe edgar friendly's people could have took the cops because they don't really seem capable of not much i mean yeah i don't see how they could couldn't have overthrown uh the uh the law the lawmaker lawgivers of uh of saint angeles because you Yeah, none of them knew how to fight or do anything. The only one that could fight was Huxley, but that was because she was watching movies. Jackie Chan movies.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, no one else could have done anything else. So, I mean, I don't see why they didn't take over the city. But that's a movie. So when after the fight in the museum, Simon Phoenix gets out and he's running across a lawn. and that's when he comes up to Cocktoe but he was getting ready to kill him but he couldn't do it

and then Cocktoe was like isn't there a voice in your head telling you to do something and then he was like because he tried he was getting ready to Simon Feene's was ready to shoot him but he just couldn't because I guess that was one of the little

chips they stuck in you you can't kill him because he was the one that came up with this whole idea to kill Edgar Friendly right yeah because he that was like the last thing going against what he was trying to do was Edgar friendly and he knew he that guy could like motivate people to go against him so he was trying to

eliminate him do you think cocktail was a bad guy or was he just trying to do what was best for his new San Angeles um I'm gonna say yeah he's a bad guy because it kind of seemed like he would do whatever he needed to do to get the job done, even if it went against what he was preaching to everybody. I think he would still, like, you know, on the download, just kind of, you know, like, I don't think people would have been more, they would even like knowing that he released this guy out of prison to go assassinate somebody when he preaches, you know, be kind, be well. all that.

Because, I mean, he's like any of us. We just wanted to live somewhere nice and not have crime and all that running through your city. But, yeah, like you said, I guess he was going to do whatever it took to keep his San Angeles free of crime and bad guys.

Yeah, but no salt or caffeine? I think I can live without caffeine, but salt. I know it's not good. Good for you, but damn, I need it. It makes everything that much better. Where did it go after that? I don't remember. Let's see.

He escaped. Simon Phoenix escaped into the sewers. And then for saving his life, we get the Taco Bell scene. Spartan gets invited to eat at the best restaurant in town, which is Taco Bell. I guess it's just a sponsor for the film, I guess. And it was a way to have the demolition man taco meals that they had and the cups. And I don't think they had toys in their kids meals. But I remember that demolition man was like all over the place on everything.

The rappers, the cups and what have you when you go in there. but there was no tacos or burritos or nacho grandes or anything in there. I don't know what the hell they were serving in that taco belt. It's like little finger food or whatever it was. Because it was just more of a meat with cocktail, wasn't it?

Yeah. And he was telling him his vision of what he wanted and what he did. Because, I mean, yeah, there was never really too much backstory on how. he got where he was cocktail in his position of running San Angeles. But, um, and I like the little thing Spartan added because, uh, he was telling them that whole time he was frozen, he was awake because he had feelings and thoughts and talking about a

wife beating her, beating her fist against a block of ice. That was her husband. And everybody, yeah, and everybody had thought, you know, you're supposed to be when you're frozen you're frozen but he was like no i i i was awake in there that must have sucked yeah i mean that long we didn't even mention his rehabilitation was uh what was the seamstress knitting or whatever yeah yeah because after that whole uh toggle bell dinner he ended up going home and um he was with huxley and then she pulled uh well let let's have sex and he was already yeah all right.

And then she brought out these headband things. And I don't know. That would be, I think there would be more of a, just like a acid trip or something. Yeah. I don't know. I wasn't,

I wasn't down with all that. No, man. He wanted to do with the old way. Yeah. What do you call it? The hunk of chunker. Yeah. He was coming up with some things.

I was like, the what? I never heard of any of those things. A friend of mine used that one time on his girlfriend, but she obviously didn't see demolition, man, because I was the only one that laughed. But that scene was crazy. I thought we were going to see something, and we didn't see anything but her face and her kind of moaning around. But, I mean, we got something later when he gets a phone call from a wrong number. Oh.

The video phone or whatever, Topless girl. I wanted to see Huxley, though, but... She don't do nude, does she? I don't think so. I was trying to think. Unless someone you guys know, let us know, because I haven't seen any of it. I've never, I don't think I've ever seen a movie she was nude in. I think she just got hotter with age.

In my opinion, everyone. Yeah. Yeah, she was hot here. But what was that last one? The bird... Bird box. Yeah, man, I don't know what it was, man. She looked hella good in that.

Ah, bird box. If you guys haven't seen that, check it out. It was on Netflix. You don't need to. I didn't like, I liked everything but the end. I was kind of like, really? But I don't know. I guess part two's coming.

I kind of felt like I would have been like Machine Gun Kelly's character. I wanted to just leave that movie. Oh, he got something in that. Yeah, it was that chick that played Alita. That was who she was. Oh, that was, no, I need to watch it again. All I remember was his white tattooed body giving it to her. Anyway, it's another show, everyone.

So, yeah, after she left, because she was like, we can't have physical contact because after AIDS, there was all these other crazy sexual diseases that were, like, worse than AIDS. And I don't think there has been anything. No, she didn't name off like three or four different things. Yeah, I hope. That was like, it got worse.

I know. I hope not. Knock on wood. I mean, age is still going around in 2020. I know it's a lot different now with the medicine you can take. Because I know it was like once you got it, I mean, that was it. I mean, it was a few younger listeners, man. it was bad in the beginning.

He was like, once you got it, and you just knew you were going to die. And it just, it killed a lot of people. And that was crazy. And that was scary. And now we got this, coronavirus running around.

And I know some of you don't think is real, but it's real. But anyway, it's another show. Yeah. Speaking of the viruses, man, if you guys didn't listen to the latest,

the horror returns, when they're talking about the crazies, man. What did you give you the first? What'd you give the first one? Six and a half is my first time watching it. Oh, man. I'd be more of like a eight and a half, nine border, somewhere in between there.

Yeah, it's goofy. I liked it enough that I'm going to pick up the Blu-ray. So it could go. But that was my first time watching it. It's goofy. And I don't know about Lance. Man, Lance, brother, I love you, but come on.

And yeah, I'm going to say, he tried to call me out. But, but, oh, yeah, he did. The remake, dude, that was a 10. That was hell of good. I liked that one. And that one was kind of spooky because I did do a rewatch on that. I think it's almost going that way with how everyone's going all crazy right now. I think that's what affected my score because it is a good movie.

it is one of those remakes that are good, but I think it was at that moment when I was watching it a little realistic. Yeah, because it's just, they're just if it gets to that point to where they've got to corral

everyone up, if it, I'm surprised they're not corraling everyone up the way everyone's going all crazy and don't want to wear a mask and all this nonsense. If you don't think so, if you don't, I'm Sorry, but my safety becomes top priority.

And if that little piece of cloth or whatever those other masks are, that's going to help. I know it's not going to help you not get it, but it'll help you at some point and somewhat to help you help, man. Other than spread it around, I know we're all nasty, man, just coughing and sneezing and everything and spitting on the ground. I mean, it's, I never really realized how bad that was. Even if this, this wasn't happening, I cough, sneeze, and I never cover my mouth when I'm by myself. So, I mean, I don't know. Another story, another show, everyone. So where were we?

I got lost. We always spin off into other things. I think we're at the part when him. Spartan, Huxley, and what did they call him, Alfredo Garcia? Yeah. I think they're going into the sewers looking for friendly. Oh, go back really quick. I love the scene when it's those three are in the car.

And they go, hey, we want to listen to some radio? And he goes, yeah, he goes, this is a new station or this is our favorite station. They go there are mini-tunes. You guys call them commercials. I thought that was funny. I mean, yeah, because I'm like, you guys got rid of music too? I'm like,

mini tunes. I'm not shocked that they got rid of that. I mean, especially the music. Mainly for the cursing and everything, because I remember growing up in the 80s, I remember like one of the first few songs

where you heard a curse word in it. And we every, we were like, what? Oh, my God. And then now it's like, normal. But truly there was probably there was music there because when they were in Taco Bell Tony from

Seinfeld for you Seinfeld watchers, what the hell is his name? Dan Cortez, I believe his name was. He was playing the piano singing something. I don't know what it was. Jolly Green Giant commercial. So yeah, you know music is there. But yeah, I like that scene when they were in the car.

why did they go into the sewer just oh they're looking for edgar phoenix oh they were looking for friendly and how did he oh no he Stallone saw them when they were in a Taco Bell because remember when they all came out to raid Taco Bell for food or the Taco Bell trucks yeah because they're called scraps and they were

trying to make them into bad people and Stallone was like basically no you know they're they were there trying to get food. The little plastic containers that they were stealing, what was in those cheese puffs? I have no idea because if you think about it, I think, I don't know what they used for Taco Bell because I think they also said red meat

and stuff like that is illegal too. Yeah, I don't know, man. Again, I don't think I can want to live in that world with all these, all these, rules. We got enough rules on us now to, but to take away red meat. Oh, man. No, I'm not the one. I got to have some kind of red meat. I know it's not good for you, but damn, it tastes good. So I love this scene when they go into the sewers and there's like an underground world. And it looks like they didn't have to go very far. It's like they just opened the manhole and went in and they were right in this little, this little community. Yeah, did you feel like they should have, the community should have had some sort of reaction to seeing three people in police uniforms walking around?

I think they kind of did, but they did, because you saw everyone looking at them. I mean, I thought it would be more of, ah, and everybody run away, but no one said nothing because they didn't, they were just walking through there. They weren't telling everyone to freeze or anything. He's buying rat burgers and beers for a Rolex. And, well, okay, that scene. I love this scene overall. I would eat that shit too. 30 years with no meat.

Hell not, I eat a rat. Just put some salt on it. But I did like that scene because he's a, oh, man, what's that smell? And then he runs over and he sees that little Mexican lady making hamburgers. So, and I take it, alcohol was not. legal anymore, but somebody must be brewing up the beer because they had it

in bottles. But I thought that was cool, because he was like, oh man, it's like the best burger I've had in a long time. And she was going to eat, that's not hamburger or that's not beef. And he goes, you see any cows around here? And that's when he asked her what it was. And she said it was a rat. And he goes, this is a rat burger.

And she was like, yeah. And he was like, fuck it. They just kept on eating it. Do they meet Edgar Friendly? here or did Simon Fienis come up and bust up the party? They met Edgar friendly first, and he was explaining that Spartan was like, I think Cocktoe was trying to kill you. And I think that's when he makes an attempt. But I think we skipped over the part where Simon meets Cocktoe and talks him into

unfreezing some of his friends. Well, that's right, because then he killed him, didn't he? Yeah. Well, that comes later. but we had to have the little meeting scene with Jesse the body's five seconds of screen time. Oh, that's right. Because I think he killed him first. And then then he had all of Jesse and the gang show up.

Yeah, you might be right. Because he can't kill him, but he tells somebody else to do it for him. Oh, yeah, that's right. Throw his body in the fireplace. So once he got his gang and he was ready for him. for war that he knew he still had to take out Spartan. They talked to Edgar Friendly, told him what was going on, and then that's when Edgar Friendly explained who he was.

He was basically just like a revolutionary type of guy trying to just feed all those people that were looking up to him for protection because he was the one leading the charge when they went up to Taco Bell and start stealing food for everything. because Cocktoe was just thinking, oh, this guy's a killer. He kills people, and he's trying to ruin our new way of life. But, I mean, again, I would be with Edgar Friendly's crew

because he was just trying to live. I mean, he didn't, and then he goes into his, if you guys are familiar with Dennis Lewis, his comedy, his whole rant. And that's what I loved about him. And this is before, when I knew him as a comic before he became an actor,

on all these things. and he was really quick with the one-liners and everything. So I can't exactly tell you what he said. But it was fun. I'm glad that they worked that way. His form of comedy into this film. So after that meeting, oh, the cops showed up. They raided the sewers because I guess they followed him.

Or I guess they had a tracker in Spartan because they knew where it was because that's when all the cops running in. He goes after. Phoenix, him and Huxley in in that car. I'm not a car person either, but I don't think he jumped in that car yet. I think that was later when they won that

at the final battle because they do have that car chase. And then, they get the car from down there. No, I mean, he goes and gets that later because he jumped, he may jumps in his little police car and he goes, they have that chase

and he's hit the Sloan the Spartans hanging out out of the side shooting One with the phone Yeah because when it crashed They crashed all that That is a good idea I did love that

Because of that foam I assume you can breathe in it But it seemed like it instantly got hard Because once that car crashed It's like the foam just Filled up the inside And then he broke out I guess that's

a little better than airbags blown in your face because that's no fun ladies and gentlemen I got into a car accident and my wife slammed into hers and I held the steering wheel really tight and that like burned

the steering well airbag isn't as big as the passenger one and that that shit just burned my arms because I held on the steering wheel too tight I didn't fly forward I didn't hit it because I braced myself on the steering wheel But man, that was no joke But that powder that's in it

It shoots in your face I remember I was I was just dry heaving outside I climbed out of the car And it was just Because all that Powder was in my throat No fun everyone

Be safe out to everyone Some guy ran the stop sign And I teabode them Uh Stay off your phones as well But yeah I thought that was neat That whole With all the foam and everything

then where did it go i remember where it went from after this uh i think uh back at back at the prison the cryo prison this is basically the big showdown final showdown and that's right that's when he uh excuse me when uh sima phoenix is going through the computer log and that's when they mentioned geoffrey domer and all that yeah which i don't know about releasing him Well, he got his in the end. Not a not a pun either. They did.

They got him. The guards let those dudes go in there and get them. From what I understand, broke a handle off in there. And ouch. But hey, man, he deserved it. Yeah, because that's when he did other people get unfrozen? Because I know he was in the process of doing it. Um, when all this was said and all said and done, I feel like a whole bunch of people got murdered.

Yeah, because, because, uh, well, I'm sure killed all the prisoners that were frozen, but, um, while they were fighting, uh, because Spartan just went in there and it was just those two. And, uh, the, um, uh, coctose little, uh, crony guy, I think. Or was he in there or was it one of the scientists? He was in there helping. and then when things started looking bad for Phoenix, he took off out the side door. All right, because Edgar Friendly and his crew were fighting Jesse and all those guys, I assume, outside the prison. Because it was just them two with the showdown.

Clearly Wesley could have would have just whooped his ass. I mean, especially with the kicks and all that. And because John Spartan, Rocky, man, he was just the south ball that's all he had he didn't have no kicks but i did like when it came to hand-to-hand after they ran out of bullets and everything i thought that was pretty sweet um how did he get the drop on him and to freeze him i don't remember uh they were well at first he he had picked up spartan with that crane and it was holding him there for a second and then he had used the he had pulled one of the tubes to freeze the crane to break off one of the claws and then he

had seen that canister that had the little blue little marble looking thing that freezes things and um i think there was water all over the floor and he had uh smashed the the canister on the ground well that's right because he jumped up and held onto that thing yeah because it started freezing and everything. And he had jumped up, grabbed the crane, and it started freezing. And when it was coming to freeze the crane, he just let go.

As he was letting go, he had kicked the head off of Simon Phoenix, who was frozen. And his head just shattered completely on the ground. Okay. So Simon Phoenix is dead. And the evil is punished. And San Angeles lives again.

I don't know if I heard it from you were you guys the ones talking about that it was going to be a part two um stilone had said uh matter of fact it was uh not too long ago I think in May or June that uh part two is in development

and they were going to bring Wesley Snipes back I did not hear that if they do they better have a fucking good explanation for it because he was dead as to be I mean, he was frozen and then his head fell off, but They better not do that

DNA cloning. That's what I was going to say. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, that was just what I heard. I don't know how true that is, but yeah, they better come up with a damn good explanation if Wesley comes back, Simon Phoenix.

And if they do a second one, I would like to see what the rest of the, at least a different part of the country's like outside of San Angeles. And if they do bring it back, I mean, would Sandra Bullitt come back to do it? I think she would. Yeah, I think so. I mean, this is probably one of the bigger films in her career. She's done a ton of films, but I think she would come back for this one. I know Rob Schneider would come back. Oh, it's.

come back in a heartbeat. Yeah, this was before Judge Dredd, because then that's when Rob Schneider popped up in Judge, in Dredd. Is him and still on friends or something? I assume they were. Maybe he liked what he did in this and wanted him to shine in Judge Dred, which he did.

I mean, he had a lot of screen time in that thing. I don't know if he was Billed second, but he was in it a lot. He was the comic relief. He was basically his little science. when they broke out of prison or out of that a little jet or whatever that spaceship they crashed in. Oh, gosh, Judge Dredd.

I enjoy that film. I own every version of it, the VHS DVD and Blu-ray, but... Oh, we're going to do that. We're going to talk about the wrong way to do Judge Dread, and then we're going to talk about the right way to do it. Oh, yeah. Oh, man.

Yeah, I'll save it for it. all that but damn that was hell it could um but yeah so wesley gets his head kicked off which i thought i mean for for 90s effects it looked really good yeah man i thought it the effects still hold up um was there much cg i or was it just the cgi of the the the freezing stuff uh the freezing um that's pretty much all i can think it was a lot of practicals a lot of you know the cars they built specifically for this was probably just outside part yeah you know the car they actually build futuristic cars but yeah I would say a lot of it's practical because he did destroy that car yeah again I'm not a car guy myself but I don't know what uh that little

muscle car he got from Edgar friendly because anyway that's when he goes hauling ass and then he crashes in did he crash into the prison yeah I think they drove into it Yeah, I don't, I mean, there's a lot of car movies where they destroy these things. And it's just, I mean, like I said it before, I'm a muscle car guy. I don't own one. If I had money, I would. But damn, I don't like when they destroy awesome cars. I mean, we talked about it in Cobra when they destroyed whatever kind of car he had.

Oh, yeah. Ah, man, but. He has a lot of nice, Rob. in his car and his movies because i i really liked that in the expendables that that pickup truck he had then they just destroy him well they probably just give him back to whoever somebody sells them to some car guy and they just put some drops of money into it fix it up but um yeah over over with uh he gets the girl finally uh slaps a big one on uh huxley uh but the part i liked is when um edgar friendly and his crew come marching over.

And Garcia, Benjamin Brad, is with them. And he's got the rubber tire road warrior-looking outfit. And he's telling him, that's when Edgar Friendly teams up with, what was his name, little crony guy from beer juice? Yeah, he teams up with him and telling him that Edgar Friendly is going to take over San Angeles. and I don't think that would go over too well. There's got to be a second in command somewhere.

Yeah. But he's like, yeah, I'll team up with you. And I just remember when Dennis Lilly said something, yeah, we're going to go do this. We're going to go paint the town red. And Garcia goes, fucking A. So, but yeah, it was after he kissed her. I think that was the end, wasn't it?

Yeah. They talk about going to exchange bodily fluids or something like. that wasn't he like 70 something years old well if you do the math i don't know how he was in 94 but uh i think he's like 70 something now yeah all right he is 74 now so he's in like it's at least his 50s uh okay they said the budget for this was 45 to 77 million and that's a lot and it brought in 159.1 million dollars

well it definitely made its money back and I'm sure they spent a lot of it in advertising dealing with Taco Bell and everything but then again that was a good way to do it because I remember the 80s and 90s I mean they went to

all these food franchises to hype up their films I think mainly now it's just kid films I can't think of any like McDonald's or Burger King that's hyped up anything that wasn't a kid film yeah it's mostly like cartoons and stuff like that yeah I mean you assume they would have been all over Batman

when Christopher Nolan's one were rolling but nobody jumped on that but I remember hearing a story because of Batman returns they stopped because they made like a Danny DeVito penguin toy with the, you know, he had that stuff coming at his mouth. It kind of made it look like that. And I guess kids didn't like it. Well, growing up,

I didn't like the movie either, but it is what it is. But yeah, everyone, that was a demolition man came out in October 8th of 1993. What do you write it? All right. 90s Stallone, 90 Snipes. I will give it a... I did enjoy it. I think the only thing I really didn't enjoy was some of the just the talking scenes. But I go about an 8.5. I mean, I really did enjoy it that much. Yeah, I'm going to go nine. There's not too much I didn't like about the movie.

I like Stallone in it. You know, this is the beginning of Wesley Snipes in action mode, and Sandra Bullock looked hot, you know, kicking ass when she did. And, yeah, liked it. Who are you working for? I'm not hurting anybody. It's American, man. You know, I was just taking an opportunity, that's all.

I got to take you back. Ten rounds with John L. Sullivan himself. I saw Tyson bitch things on TV All right everyone We are going to September 16th Ninety-four Jesus right before my birthday Uh 19994

With uh the John Claude Van Dam Classic time cop This wife It's a big deal point it Hold the trigger and boom somebody dies There's still time to see her Time travel Stay here, Walker, and my future, you're dead.

Murder is forever. Surprise. Until now, Sean Claude Van Damned, Time Cup. R. Starts Friday, September 16th. When mankind perfects time travel, the government establishes the Time Enforcement Commission to thought criminal attempts to alter the timeline. to all criminal attempts to alter the timeline

police officer Walker is recruited by TEC CMDR what But Tuzac Bassoon finds his investigation of Senator Adam McComb being thotted by elements

within the government. When Walker's wife Melissa is attacked he must travel across time to rescue her and save the future All right Time clock Time clock Time cop

John Claude Van Damme Also stars Mia Sarah Ron Silver Bruce McGill Gloria Rubin Rubin I think that's her name

And a bunch of other people A lot of people That you noticed From 80s action into 90s action. All right. What did you think, Van Dam's time cop?

I like it. It's not my favorite Van Dam, but I enjoy the action in it. Some of the effects don't hold up like they do in Demolition Man, but it's a lot more CGI stuff. And I do have some questions. I'm not a doctor or scientist,

but I do have some questions about time travel. How is it working? movie but um i like um i like ron what is his name uh i'm about to say ron so yeah ron silver he kind of reminds me like a poor man's version of uh what the fuck is the name andy garcia kind of reminds me of andy garsia a little bit and i liked him as the villain in here um yeah it's just uh the action in it was uh was a was a okay. It was minimal.

Yeah. We do get the band damn splits a few times, but I don't think we get the full spin kicks in here. I think we got it once. Yeah. I think as the movie, as his, as he started getting older, the spin kicks were coming in less. So I don't know if that's what age or what, but it's, it's one of his better movies. But it, yeah, it. It has minimal action, and I just, I have some questions about time travel in here.

I think that's for everyone. This was directed by Peter Hamz, Heim's. I don't know who that guy is. Someone's probably yelling at me. But this is one of my favorite Van Dam films. I have not seen this in a very long time. I remember I saw twice in its first run, or it's only run, in the theater. And, man, I don't remember the last time I saw this.

I remember being blown away by the 90s, mid-90s CGI FX. But I think to me, that's the only thing that didn't hold up in this. I did like the little time travel ripples when they were going in and out when they're doing the time jumps. I like that. I like that howl them. But what happens to the car, though? I don't know. And not to jump ahead, but why is it, why has it seemed to always drop Van Dam in the worst fucking places?

Well, not the very first one when they show him come out of there. He just comes walking in. Later, he gets dropped in water and then in front of a semi-truck. And I'm just like, I don't know if they perfected time travel all the way. I don't think so either I think they just They were able to do it And it was just a risk

On the other end When you came out What I liked about the time travel And this Was You couldn't go into the future You were only able to go In the past

Yeah So I thought I thought that was cool Because if you There's been plenty Of time travel films You can go both ways Either way

Back to the future is one of them for all you guys that have seen those films. And it made sense when they said it. You can't go into the future because it hasn't happened yet. Yeah. So I like that aspect. But trying to figure out there in this film's time travel science made no sense. And it gave you a headache trying to figure it out.

I had watched a few videos where these guys tried to break it down. and they couldn't because there's so many um excuse me the flaws with this time travel in this film that it won't work because there was a lot of stuff that I was like wait a minute well if he went and changed this in time when you come back this is changed which they did say

if you go back in time because the whole reason for the for the time cops is one scientist, they were able to figure out time travel. And they didn't really say what they were going to use it for. They just said that this guy figured it out and we're going to, we need money to, I guess, do more. But the bad guys figured it out on what to use time travel for, to go back in the past, to change things, to basically make money for themselves in their, in their. future and uh what year was it um 94 uh it was 94 was the the main time that that they were

supposed to be in but then they go back as far as um 1929 yeah in the very beginning they they see you see this stage coach confederate stage coach just marching down this rainy road and then you see this uh this outlaw looking guy and a duster standing there and they wanted money the Confederate gold that was in there and that was kind of like okay well how this is that was the first scene

in the film so you were you didn't there's no Van Damme in it yet and then when he's like well okay you guys better just give me your goal and they're like well why we're gonna kill you if you don't get out of our way and then he's like he turns it around and he pulls out these two futuristic machine guns with a laser sighting on it which I thought that was awesome. I loved how they did that. And watching it this time, I was thinking, well, what if one of those guys did survive and what were they, what was their story for telling them? But to

keep it with their, their science of time travel, if one of those Confederate guys would have survived and then told those stories, it probably would have changed. Yeah. I'm not trying to get too scientific, but what in theory wouldn't them stealing that gold change something? It did. I mean, that was the flaws in this. The stuff that they were doing going back and stealing that gold,

because where were they taking that gold to begin with? And since it didn't get there, yeah, it would have totally changed whatever. Like I said, don't think about it too much. But it would have changed to something. so but because what we find out is Ron Silver's character

was his name McComb he was a senator in 1994 and he was wanting to be president and it was 10 years later so it was what 2004 yeah so he was

gearing up to be president so what he was doing I don't know what he was blowing on his money on because they were saying he when in 1980 no to in 2000 see you're jumping all overplay in 2004 they that there was a news

brief and they were saying that Senator McComb was running out of money and they didn't think he was going to have enough to keep his presidential campaign going but McComb's deal was to go back in time to change his financial gain by

knowing what was happening in the stock market because what year was that was that um that was the 1929 the the confederer gold i don't know the time was before that okay yeah 29 was uh the uh the stock market part because there was a former uh time cop uh it was a van dam's a partner he started he got into he started working for mccomb to go back into time to the to the 1920s 20s to just mess up the stock market in order for him to have money in 94 because when that guy, what was that guy's name? Edward.

Yeah, when he goes back, he has a 1929 newspaper and he's got a 1994 USA Today. He goes back, circles some stocks, and then he looks at whatever it is. in 94 because I guess he can buy it for like super cheap in 29 and then it'd be worth a ton of money in 94. So that's how McComb was getting his money for his campaign to use time travel to go back and do that. So I don't know how many times he went back in the film. It seemed like they only went back twice from way back in the Confederate Civil War days to 1929 with the gold and then doing the money. Well, the Atwood guy doing the stocks, it seemed like people knew him, like the doorman and the elevator guy. Yes.

I mean, we don't know how long he was there. But then was he going back and forth? Because when this is when we totally jumped. We're at our time drive. We'll go back at a second. But when Atwood's there and trying to figure out what to do with the stock. market this is when um van dam's character comes in uh max walker and he's uh one of the time cops he comes in and he's like all right well you know i got to take you i got to take you in but then at war

like you can't man he goes like i can't say anything um he basically spilled his guts on on what he was doing on who the money was for or it was from a comb and he's like i can't go in because if i go in there and say something they're going to kill me they're going to go back and kill my grandparents so I'll never be born. My parents will never be born. They'll kill my cat and everything. But then, so he had, like he said he had a family. So I was like, well, is he just doing business in 29?

Then getting back in his little time thing and shooting back to 1994. So I, I don't know. That would feel like it would set off some kind of signal, like how they, you know, find out people's time jumping and they you know the time cops go after him so maybe he's been there for like a minute unless his family was there in 29 but i don't know they never really said and um that's the problem with us trying to explain the time travel thing um they never sure i mean did did mccorm's crew have their own little brick wall and spaceship or time machine thing they they find that out later on when uh walker's

talking to matusac that um the only other time travel device other than the what uh the time cop could whatever have is uh the prototype so that was the original one they had yeah that's the one they were using okay i figured that but i mean they never showed it So, I mean, what did that look like the ones that the time cops have? Or did it look like something totally different? It probably was something better because they didn't show up looking all crazy, being dropped in lakes. And they showed up like they was fine.

Yeah, they just came walking out those little time ripples and then they were ready to go. But when we're introduced to Van Dam's character, It's when he's 1994 and he's meeting his wife Sloan from Ferris Bueller. Mia Sarah. Her name is Melissa and this Melissa Walker. They're meeting in a mall. We get a awesome little...

He didn't really kick him, but Van Dam with his high stance getting ready to kick this mugger in the face for rollerblading in the mall and snatch some ladies' purse but they kind of me they do a little meet up to uh i guess have lunch or something i don't know but whether there you see these um uh the bad guys um the it's in the 80s and early in early 90s all the bad guys had long hair and long dusters so you knew they were bad and the the main bad guy with the long hair what else has he been in i i know i'm seeing him in other things you're talking

about the one with the with the boots yeah with the metal yeah he had yeah I don't know shapesides yeah I've seen him somewhere he's probably been a bad guy in a bunch of other movies yeah because he he was the one that I

I was trying to look on IMDB I mean they didn't give any of all the bad guys bad names or anything because they were just McComb guards so I don't know exactly which one he was I assume he was let me click on the first one McComb guard one

I had seen him in something else. I see, there's no picture, so I don't know if that's him. Yeah, I just remember him from them boots because they always kept showing his boots. And yeah,

so you know who the bad guys are because they clearly stand out. Everyone else is just having a nice, fun day at the mall, and you see these two brute-looking dudes because that guy looked pretty big. And we, at this point,

we don't know why they're, they were watching them. Why were they watching him? I can understand in the 2004, why, but why were they watching him in 94? I had figured that this scenario had already happened, that they were trying to take him out before he ever joined the Time Cop program. so if he never joined then he would never be there to stop

Senator McComb that's what I figured I could be wrong yeah because in 94 McComb wasn't the ruthless killer that we had in 2004 because he seemed to be

he was a senator but he wasn't corrupt yet because when they do show him then he didn't He didn't seem like he was crooked. Yeah. That's kind of my problem. I did like him as a bad guy, but I didn't understand how he was because when you first get introduced, when they're talking about the invented time travel, they say Senator McCone, you know, he says, you know, he votes that they fund a program.

And then they're all like, oh, young Senator McCone. So it kind of feels like he gets under people's skin. But then when future McComb and a younger McComb meet, younger McComb, he kinds of seeing, you know, like he's soft. Like he's just not really built for this kind of life. So the 94 McComb, I know you guys are lost because we are too. So the 94 McComb, Ron Silver, his 2004 McComb, his 2004 McComb, is that the reason he, is that the reason he? was bad because his future self came back to him and told him to be bad. I don't know.

I think we're going to go around and round and we keep trying to figure out time travel. Yeah, I mean, I like what they said in, it was an end game, when they were trying to figure out time travel. And they were just like, forget everything you've known about time travel. Forget Terminator 2, forget, or forget Terminator, forget, forget Terminator, forget, forget time cop and and all the other back to the future and whatever movie else they said.

I was like, yeah, this one I like the idea of their time travel in this, but I just think they didn't really think about it too much. I mean, even the videos, like I said, the videos I've watched where they were

trying to explain it, they couldn't because there would have been so many flaws. Well, like, well, like when I was just trying to find out, which didn't make no kind of sense, but it's a Van Deny movie. You don't go to, I think this is the only movie

where you had to think, or it made you think. Like, well, how did this work? Yeah, I don't think they was counting on the audience to think. I think they were just thinking they was going to be there for a Van Dao movie. That's why I was there, but when I'm sitting there in 94

watching this, I'm trying to think about time travel because at this point in my life I had seen plenty of time travel films I mean even it was the HG Wells Time Machine that one

I mean that's an amazing film they don't really go into much of try to explain time travel and that but so I wanted to see Van Dam kick ass and he did kick ass

in this but that this made you talk about it because I remember leaving the theater I went and saw one of my little friends and he just enjoys Van Dam. But I remember listening to other people trying to explain the whole time travel thing as they're walking out out of the theater, scratching their heads. But if you guys can figure it out and if there's videos out there that I haven't seen, please send them to us so I can, okay. But like I said, the videos I saw, they could not explain the time travel science in this film. So, all right, that's out of the way because we'll be here all night trying to figure it out. So in 94, McComb's guys go in and they murder Van Dam's wife, Melissa. Because they go home, he goes home after the little date at the mall.

he goes home and beats it up and then he wakes up and he gets a phone call she's getting ready to tell him something she's got something to tell him and the phone rings

it's work you got to come in because somebody called in sick and we need you out out on the streets so she's trying to like trying to tell him somebody like well just tell me

when I get home he ends up leaving and then the guys in the dust are show up at the house beat the hell out of him did they shoot him or was that later yeah they beat the hell

out of him in the house or outside and they shoot him a couple times but he has a best on all right because then he looks up in the window we see somebody uh a silhouette of someone but we're not too sure her it is and then we see uh somebody holding melissa she's screaming and the next thing you know the whole house blows up uh i'll come back to the house at the end because something didn't add up Anyway, so the house blows up, it's destroyed. There's a big flash, 10,000, or 10 years later, 2004 is, this is when we get the scene of 1929 in the, with the stock market thing where he goes, he comes in and he takes his partner back. I did like this, this little action scene because when Wilson, when, when Walker shows up to, Atwood, Lyle Atwood,

is his name, played by Jason scrombing, sounds right. And then he Atwood spills his guts to him saying, I can't go back, no, I can't do it. And then he kind of signals in for some, did you have a button to push? Yeah. The brought in the

security. Yeah, alarm buttons under the desk. Yeah, so some big, rough looking dude comes in, and a nice suit, and he goes, I went 10 rounds with whoever, whoever, some champ way back in the day. And I love Van Damme, how he just looks over at Wood, and then kind of like tilts his head,

like, really? It ended up just giving him a kick to the dome, and then that's it. I liked the gun that Atwater pulled out. It was kind of Atwood. It was like a pump action futuristic shotgun? Yeah, but it kind of sounded like not as loud as a shotgun because it kind of had that it sounded futuristic. Yeah,

I like, I mean, that's what I liked about the out of the future stuff, that was the only thing I liked, like the guns, because that little shotgun thing gunny had and the sidearm that the Walker had. They sounded neat and they looked

cool, but they looked a little heavy than a regular little standard issued police sidearm. Yeah, the worst looking thing in this movie that's futurist is his fucking car. All the cars, even... I don't remember all of them.

I just really remember his because I was really trying to figure out what all that on top of it was for. Yeah. 2004 came and went a long time ago, everyone, and our cars do not look like that. I mean,

I did like that you didn't need to drive. You just got in and said home and it took you home, but who came up with these designs and said yes this is going to be the future of automobiles because it was like so big and clunky like I guess it's it would self park itself because I know uh you can park see there was no windows you couldn't there was no windshield there was no side no nothing it was just all uh automatic um it kind of reminded me of those uh those shuttles at uh star tours at Disneyland it kind of looked it

like that, but, uh, again, I don't know who green lit that design. I mean, not for 2004, but for this film to go, yes, those are awesome. Let's let's, let's make some of those. Because they made a few of them. There wasn't just his. There was his and, uh, McComb had his limo and then I think there was a couple more driving around the background. And yeah, I think out of, out of the futuristic stuff, that was the worst.

That looked stupid. It made no sense. every place around you didn't look futuristic they're in Washington DC and everything still looked the same yeah it was it was I guess that was the the budget they spent was on those cars because they didn't they didn't I don't think anything looked futuristic set wise I mean the houses didn't tend yeah the time cop little headquarters didn't look futuristic no just looked like they were in like a

a warehouse or something. Yeah. So, okay, so we, he goes back and, uh, when he gets Atwood and then he,

after he beats up that one dude and then Atwood runs out of bullets, he grabs him and, uh, all of his stuff and then takes them back to the, uh, to headquarters to TEC, the time enforcement commission. No,

that time, yeah, that's who they were. The time enforcement commission that they were the, they were the cops. So he takes them back there. and it's like swift justice in 2004. They read his charges and then they said death.

But he had to, their rule was he had to die in 1929. So they, because Walker is telling him when they're in the court thing, he's like, come on, tell him, tell him. And he's just like, I'm not going to say nothing. He's just going to take his sentence and deal with. with what it comes because when they said, well, he's sentenced to death. This is where I had a problem.

Well, many problems in this film. But how come they couldn't, like you said, how come Van Dam couldn't control where he was dropped off when he went back to the future or back in time? But they were able to program Atwood to come back at a time. because before he was captured, when they had the shootout in the fight, when he was telling Atwater, Atwood, he had to take him back.

He's like, no, I'm not going to do it. So he was basically going to kill himself. And he ran and dove out the window and Walker went after him. I did love that son because that was all real. But you can clearly see the wires and their legs that was bringing them down. And how do they explain to all those people to where two men jump out of building disappear and then one man appears later and lands on the car. This is what I think.

And I just now thinking about that. I thought that too. I think they were able to when after he was sentenced to death and they send him back. And when he comes back from the future, the ripple he comes out of falls. They might have went back a few seconds. and maybe those people didn't see two guys falling out and they only saw one. So, I mean, that's, I guess that might have been the reason.

Okay, I'll go with that. But then again, how come they had the technology to put him back to where he fell in or went into time? I didn't get that. I think that one guy didn't like Van Damme, didn't like Walker. the guy that was like fucking his computer oh that guy was awesome I like to

he reminded me of the dude in Ace Ventura his little computer hacker hippie guy but a much older version another thing I know we're gonna sorry I gotta try to figure

these things out but when you get when you go back in time with a little spaceship things that they sat in. How come to get to go back in time in that little spaceship, but when they were back in time,

all they had to do was hit a little button and the little rippling hole opened up and they were able to go right through it. Why couldn't they do that to begin with? Instead of getting in that little spaceship that shot towards a wall. I don't know. It seems like the prototype was much better than what they had. Yeah. And they never explained why, because when him and the one, what was she, whatever she was,

internal affairs, when they did the jump together, or, yeah, they did the jump together, but then later on when he does it by himself, they say we never do single jumps. It's always double. They never explained that either. And it kind of seemed like it did. matter anyways because he came in single when he first used it yeah everyone I mean there's I feel the score going down um I know my score is still what it is but it's just trying to figure out their their their science behind their time travel in this film is just

it just give you a headache but um okay so that atwood got sent it the death and he goes back to 99, falls, dies, boom. I did like that stunt how the body just slammed into that old car. Oh, then he goes back, they go back to Walker because he goes back to 2004

and he's watching a videotape. He must have, did we still have VCRs in 2004? Yeah. Okay. I figure DVD.

Well, I guess it was still around. So he throws in a tape. And this part was kind of sad because he's watching an old video of his wife, him and his wife. And he's just like, yeah. And then he's drinking his booze and then he wakes up. Because then they call him back in, right? Mm-hmm. Did they send him on another mission before the IA person showed,

the chick Sarah Fielding before she showed up? Did they give him another assignment? No, I think she, okay, she shows up. She shows up. Is this, oh, gosh, we're jumping everywhere. Is this when, yeah. Is this when the, the guys show up to his house? And he has to fight.

Oh, that's, that's, that's right. That's, all right. Yeah, the next morning after he's all hung over and everything, the McComb's guys show up. And he, at this point, he's still, doesn't know. Well, I guess he kind of knows why. He knows that they were going to come after him. But the Asian gentleman, he's been in two movies we've talked about already. He was in Big Trouble in Little China as well as he was coaches, coach's, a karate instructor in Action Jackson.

Let's be clear. It seemed like coach was instructing him. Yeah, but that guy comes into play. I love the long-haired bad guys. Of course, he's got long hair. But this was probably the most ridiculous fight, knife fight scene. You didn't like him waving his knives around? No. He, the, I don't know the Asian guy's name.

I can't remember his name. But he was doing it good. But Van Dam just must not have ever trained using a knife. Because, all right, I'm going to try to describe it. If you guys go to YouTube and watch the knife fight, it's there. he's holding that little knife which actually look pretty neat like a sword

so it's going straight up this Asian gentleman that obviously knows how to kick ass and handle a knife is flinging his knives around Van Dam is holding that knife and just like kind of going not swinging it he's swung it a few times

but he's like using it like a sword and luckily that guy is just hitting the blade the Van Dam's blade with his two blades. I mean, I was just like, I don't know how, why I didn't notice it before, but it was just so bad. Like, if Van Dam couldn't use a knife, they should have just went hand to hand or something

else because it looked just totally stupid. Well, they should have, they should have played in more towards he actually really couldn't use a knife, but they made it, they made you think he did know how to use a knife. If they would have played it that way and then he was like. throwing the knife to the side I don't need it and then did his Van Dam Kicks I think it would have been a much better scene I had to watch that scene a couple of times

because I couldn't believe how bad that scene was but yeah then he uh during after the knives or he gets cut a couple of times but then he gives that guy kick and there's another dude that comes in and he's got the what the hell

those are Taser are those are Taser ones are the ones to shoot out, right? They're all same to me. He's got a taser gun, but I assume in 2004, they haven't thought up the smaller ones that they have now. Because this one looked like a big brick. They were shooting out those little,

those little prods out at you. So he's getting ready to shoot him. My Van Dam notices, I don't know how. He must have eyes in the back of his head because that red beam was on his back. back, he grabs the Asian guy, spins around, and then the Asian guy gets hit. But he's still holding him. And it must have been, I can't remember how much juice he said was in it because it throws him back.

And did he already did the splits once already, didn't he? Yeah, when he was fighting the one guy with the knives, he dropped down and did the splits. Did he do it back in 29 when he was fighting that boxer guy? I don't remember. I don't think so. I know he did the run of the wall thing and flip over. I don't think he did the splits. I think he did the splits like right here.

Because he dropped. He did it. And then he did it again because when he kind of wakes up, when Van Dam falls, he knocks over a big jug of water. And it's all over the floor. And that other little slimy dude shoots again. Van Dam jumps up and does his split kicks on the counter. And the little prods hit the ground with water. and it shoots electricity back at that dude.

It didn't kill him because then he kicked him out the door and he goes crashing down the stairs and that's when... He flew out that door. I assume that door was just a cheap, cheap wood because I assume he kicked him and he goes flying out. Out the door. I don't know where he was standing in the house, but he goes out the door over a rail down the stairs. So... I went through the rail. because this is when Sarah Fielding shows up, Gloria Rubin.

She's the IA Internal Affairs officer because she's investigating him, investigating Walker because his former partner was Atwood. So she's trying to figure out what he knows and if he's in cahoots with Atwood at that point. So she's basically, so they go back to the headquarters and this is when he's, he's, he finds out that she has to basically be his partner for a little bit. I love this actor. He was D-Day in Animal House. Bruce McGill.

He's a, was he a captain or lieutenant or? I think he was captain. But let me see. He was Matusak. Oh, um, I said calm.

Commander. Commander, Eugene. Matusak. D-Day for you Animal House Watchers. And I loved him in Damien Williams, Bruce Willis. Oh, the last Boy Scout.

Yeah, he was the one that was banging Bruce Willis' wife. And I love that scene. We took him outside. All right. Head her gut. I love that film. That film's awesome. So, yeah, Matusak tells him, yeah, she's going to be with so just suck it up and go with them because Walker was not having it at all. Where'd they go after this?

They went back. They got one of the things that told them that somebody was time traveling. And so they went back and time traveling does not seem fun because when they're going on that little sled thing and it gets all trippy. and their faces are all warped, and then they just get dropped in a lake or something. And it looked like it hurt. Yeah. So they went back to 94, right? Yes.

Okay. Really quick before, the more science they didn't explain. The time enforcement commission, they had, I just assume he was a hacker. and he was in charge of finding out where I assume the ripples in time. And I don't know how they can figure that. I mean, was that computer hooked up to some kind of time thing? We're talking about Ricky, the guy that was having virtual sex, right? Yeah, him.

I don't know because I don't know what Ricky was. doing because I don't even know why you're doing that when there's people other people in the office yeah and he's just sitting there with a raging heart on but I mean the science of of how they figure out where and what other than where in the world and what what what year in time that they figure out that there's there's a ripple and I didn't they didn't go into any any explanation on how that computer knew. Because this guy was just sitting there looking at the screen and, okay,

go here, which they found out. They said the ripple was in Washington, D.C. in 1994. So, pretty accurate. Yeah, but so,

but I was like, how? How? How does that computer know? They didn't explain it everyone. And I couldn't tell you how they did it. But, um,

That was when they went back to McComb, right? When the 2004 McComb went back to me with the 94 McComb, right? Yeah, because he was going to, he basically helped his younger self get ownership of that computer company because it was going to end up being worth a lot of money. So where were they meeting up? They looked like they were in some kind of. warehouse or something. Yeah, it looked like some warehouse, but I thought it was the guy's

company that they were basically taking his company from him. Because they killed him there, didn't they? Yeah, which I don't understand how that makes you owner of his company. Was he going to buy it? Because remember he

McComb got a check from that dude, from that owner? because the 2004 McComb came back and told him he goes if I were you I wouldn't I wouldn't cash that check yeah I think so and that was when

Walker and Fielding show up because Walker pulls his gun out and all right freeze I'm taking you guys all back and McCone was like well how are you going to come down here and arrest us when you're way up there

and that's when Fielding comes up behind him and then it has the gun, her gun on McComb. Walker comes down and is like, yeah, okay, we're going to take you guys all back and you're going down. And then this is when Fielding turns her gun on Walker, basically. No, you're not. This is when we find out that she is in McComb's pocket because they did say earlier in the film that there's people on his payroll

but the officers on his payroll and they didn't know who and we find out she was one of them. Did they shot her? Didn't they right here? Yeah. I can't remember why. Well, they get into the fight scene, you know, Van Dam's kicking everybody's ass. And he, McComb's trying to get away. And they're fighting over that.

I think the device that sends you back. I think they're fighting over it. And I don't remember why he shot her. Okay, it says, Fielding turns on Walker, revealing that she works for McComb. After a shootout with McComb's henchman, Fielding is wounded,

and Walker escapes back to 2004. All right. So she probably just got, uh, oh, okay. She, she got hitting the crossfire.

And then he gets a little time machine because all the guys go, zipping into time. Combe McComb and his guys in Walker jumps he turns his little time machine thing and he goes back Well he I know he specifically shot her on purpose though yeah, I just can't remember why So he goes back but when he goes back to 2004 the the events that went on in in 94 with McComumon in that whole little shootout and him killing the the owner of that company when when Walker

comes back and I don't know how he gets back in that little spaceship thing he comes he comes right in back kid

it's weird man like they they hit the button and they walk through the little portal and then they show up in the little car thing

yeah and he can't explain their science and their time travel in this film but anyway when he's in that he looks over at the wall

and the name of the corporation I guess that built all this time stuff has changed to somebody. It was a, was it McComb's name? I think so. Because he, when Walker gets back, the

TEC is being shut down. Okay. It says right here. Walker find, when after he leaves, wounded Walker escapes back to 2004. Walker finds the future has been altered McComb is now the sole owner of the computer company and is a presidential frontrunner for the TEC while the TEC is being shut down due to budget cuts. And I like how not just like a few things were changed.

Like even like that dude Ricky we were talking about, like he looks completely different and he doesn't go by Ricky. He goes by Richard. Yeah. Because, I mean, everything was changed because even when Walker comes back and says, starts talking to Matusak is like they were never really friends. Yeah. Because he's like, why,

what's going on? Why, what are you talking about? I mean, this is how it's always been. And he's telling him, he's like, nah, man. He goes, when I left, so-and-so owned it. Now, McComb owns it. So he's, but then Matusat, I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. He goes, I think you need some time off. So

so much. So, So much is being changed in this in this timeline, timeline due to all the bad guys. So I'm surprised Walker didn't go crazy in the end. Yeah. And we're about to get to a part of the movie that makes no sense because he finally convinces Matusak to send him back, even though that's going to cost him his job.

Because he has that line like I've had your. wife's gooblash a hundred times and she always puts too much salt and that makes him know that they are friends but the whole point of him going back to because nobody knows who fielding is like she doesn't exist but if he goes and proves that she does exist they're going to believe everything he says okay um well i guess she doesn't exist well okay she's wounded But she got she got left at 94. Yeah, she, so she, the, the 2004 feeling is stuck in, in 94 in the hospital. Um, but then Matusac says, well, they don't, we don't know who you're talking about.

So did, did she die? No, she was in the hospital. No, no, no, no. I mean, she would have never had been internal affairs because in 94, remember she said she, she was just turning 16. Oh, okay. Because they had that whole talk about her losing her virginity to whatever boy. But, I mean, that still wouldn't change her future to being a cop.

Yeah. Because, I mean, her 94, man, she's still going to get done dirty by that dude because he couldn't cut the mustard. Yeah. And then she would still go on. I mean, that timeline would still go to her to be in a cop. Oh, Mark, there's so many holes in this movie. Because she's still alive.

She didn't die. If she would have died, then, oh, wait a minute. The 94 would have to die in order for the 2004 feeling not exist. Anyway, he convinces Matuzac to like, hey, man, let me go back and find her. And to prove that if she's still alive, she can be my witness to help prove what I'm telling you because all the stuff that Walker was telling the new altered 2004 Matusak that, because he didn't, he did not believe one thing he was saying, but he's like, all right, well, and he can, she convinced him pretty quick to go, all right, cool, go back there and figure it out. So he goes back to 1994.

She's still alive and she's in the hospital. and then talking to her, he convinces her. She's like, you know what? He did me dirty. McComb did me dirty. I'll go back to 2004 and spill my guts and we'll bring him to justice. So why did he leave her? Where did he go?

To go get a vial of blood. Oh, that's right. Because they couldn't, I guess they couldn't leave any traces of them their 2004. selves in 94. That's right. Because he, he leaves her, he finds the blood, but while he

all right, he leave, I mean, Walker, Van Damme leaves a fielding laying there in the, in the hospital bed. He goes to, finds her vial of blood, but then he sees a vial of blood

with his wife's name on it. Yeah, with his super, vision. He just sees it. I assume this is the only hospital in Washington, D.C., but okay. Anyway, so he sees her name, he opens it up, and he reads a little paper that's wrapped around it,

and he finds out that she was pregnant. So, that was he, this is when he finds out that was what she was trying to tell him back in his 94 when she blew up. so so he's like oh shit i think that's what held him up because if you had ran in there got got uh fielding's blood and then just went back to her she probably still would have been alive but when he gets back

there he's like all right come on you you're good let's go and he kind of moves her head and she's dead and then he sees that there's somebody stuck a a syringe of poison i guess into her little IV. Yeah, I like how it doesn't flatline until he like moves her head. Yeah, and then a nurse comes in and sees him and I start screaming and I'll help security

she's screaming and he's like, oh fuck so he he kind of walks out of the hall and this is when we see we see two bad guys. Obviously he don't look like they belong there in the dusters walking down the hall. They turn around seeing him and then he goes running after

but still while this is happening, that lady that nurse is still screaming for security. How did he get out of there? I don't remember. This time trial was giving me headache. I feel like he just walks out of the hospital. Does he? Oh, he goes to the mall.

Okay, he doesn't go back to 2004. No, he goes to the mall to see 94. Well, she would have to be 94 because she doesn't live. his wife, Melissa. Yeah, so he goes to the mall. And luckily it was that same day. All this was happening when she blew up in the, I guess, the original 94 time line. He goes back and tells her, he like walks up behind her and tells her doesn't want her to turn around because he,

the 2004 Walker looks completely rugged and has longer mullet hair than how he looked in 94 with the regular Van Dam short haircut. But she turns around and she's like, what happened to you? What's going on?

Because she's just more surprised at the way he looks because he just, I did like how he looked in 2004. I mean, I wasn't a mullet guy, but I thought it looked pretty sweet in that. I didn't like his mullet in Hard Target. But anyway, that's another show. but he did have a duster in that but he was a good guy um so he's trying to explain her

this is my problem with one of my many problems with this film is he's convincing he convinces everybody like instantly like i'm me and uh i'm your husband but um your other husband is coming the other me is coming and she's like what what the fuck's going on because it's just blowing her mind as all. But she's like, okay. I mean, he is my husband. He looks exactly like him, but he's got long hair. But he was like, you just got to tell him what, did he tell her he knew?

Yeah, he told her. Okay. So I see, this is another problem I have because they specifically told you that you cannot change or alter time. But that's all they've been doing. Yeah, he's like everywhere he's going. He is changing and altering everything. People are dying. He's telling information and the future should be all messed up.

Yeah, because everything they do changes something. I mean, everyone that goes back in time of this point in the film has done something to mess it all. But again, Yeah, I am getting a headache. But anyway, so he convinces her. She's like, all right, the 1994 Walker comes up, and they do whatever they did the beginning of the film, and they end up going home.

And he goes home and smashes it because it's the exact same thing again. She's getting ready to tell him that she's pregnant. The phone rings. And he said, well, I need to go to work. But then when she goes downstairs, the 2004 Walker is down there and telling her. He goes, well, did you tell him? He goes, no, I couldn't. And he's like, well, then you need to do what you got to do to keep him upstairs because the future walker knew that the bad guys were coming to kill her.

He never told her that she was dead because she did ask him. Well, he goes, because he told him, I'm from 2004. And he goes, well, how is it? And how are we? uh in 2004 and he goes are we still together and he didn't want to say that she was dead because that that probably would have blew her mind. well it's safer if they weren't in the house yeah i mean i don't see why he could have just put on a i don't know why yeah i don't know why he needed 94 version of him to stay because

they came there to kill him didn't they yeah um I mean, he could have just put on a mask or something and ran upstairs. All right, come on, you guys got to go and get him out of the house. But no, then there would have been no fight scenes and shootouts and everything. Because while they, she keeps him upstairs, she ends up telling him, right? Upstairs that she was pregnant. All right. So they're happy, but he's still, I still got to go to work.

But then when they try to leave, this is when the, when the bad guy show up. because then he gets beat up and kicked and then he kind of he falls he falls down they shoot him again but 2004 Walker is in the house kicking ass Melissa kind of gets away because then she goes climbing up on the roof and that's the best place to go yeah I didn't understand that I might not run out the back door.

Yeah. And I don't know what the weather is, how the winter is in Washington, D.C. I've never been there. But the reason for those steep roofs, especially here where it snows a lot, and I'm sure up there where you guys are. So the snow falls off. But then, I don't know, maybe they just designed this house that way. But yeah, I don't think I'd be crawling on those roofs. That would definitely fall off.

but she's up there the bad guy that's chasing her um 1994 Walker he he gets up that's when he opens it up and you see these guys a bulletproof vest on he goes upstairs

and to help her right because then he's on the roof and then the bad one of the bad guys show up I think 2004 is helping her because I think 94 is fighting metal boots guy and because he's getting his ass kicked by him.

Oh, that's right. It is too. Okay, because 2004 is up on the roof. Yeah. Helping her because when she's, he, she's on the roof still on,

on like the top top roof. He's kind of like on the second floor, uh, fighting one of those dudes. Um, and then he falls and he's holding on to the, uh, the,

uh, the gutter on the side of the house. And then she, slips and falls somehow but then she falls and hangs on to 2004 Walker's legs

and the bad guy I don't know why he just didn't shoot him so he'd fall but he's like playing around with him kind of stepping on his hands she reaches and grabs his gun his 2004 gun and then he shoots that dude and then that's how they're saved

he like throws her onto one of the balconies or something and then they crawl down so 94 walkers is fighting with silver boots. Yep. Are they in the house or outside? They are outside, I believe. Okay.

He's just getting his ass kicked. And then he eventually he wins the fight. I forgot how, but. Do they see each other? 2004-94 Walker? I'm going to say no. I don't think so either. Because this is when we get the,

standoff with 2004 McComb and 2004 Walker I thought because they had those

little futuristic C4 cylinder bombs because they were going to blow up and then McComb was telling him

well well I'm just going to blow up too as well he goes because 94 McComb is going to go still be president in 2004. But then while Walker's talking or when McComb's talking to Walker,

Ian walks in 94 McComb. And he's like, what the hell are you doing here? And he goes, you called and told me to be here. And I have a problem with it. Another problem with this film. It turns out that Walker called 94 McComb, 2004 Walker called 94 McComb to come to some stranger's house. And Van Dam,

who's never, ever tried to change his accent in any of his films because his accent is so thick. I don't know. I assume maybe he told the secretary or something. I don't know. But don't try to figure that out. But anyway, he shows up.

And he's like, well what and then this this was going to this was going to ruin 2004 McComb's planned and this is where it was the worst

CGI effect only in the beginning I did like the aftermath Walker throws 94 McComb into 2004 McComb because earlier in the film

they said McComb was telling his 94 myself don't touch me because two people two things of the same matter can't be in the same place so walker throws 94 macomb at 2004 macomb and he it's it's watch the ending on youtube you guys haven't seen this it looks so bad i was like ah but he goes back his back 94 McComb goes back on touches McComb 2004 McComb's gun

and it goes right through him somehow and then they like spliced together. It's all... Yeah, his gun sure does go right through him. Yeah, it just like went right through him like it was like he wasn't even there. And you get this...

I think that was the only worst part of that CGI effect. The CGI blob that happened. Yeah, I like that at the aftermath. I liked how that looked. But when he turned, when it just looks so phony and stupid, but that's 94 CGI effects. Can, can I just ask, how does 94 McComb become 2004 McComb? Because this guy just really did not seem smart at all. that's why I asked earlier I think 2004

McComb was the reasoning the 94 McComb became bad because he told him I assume he spilled his guts and told him to what was to come that that's my only reasoning

because 2004 McComb is ruthless Yeah. His 94 self? Not so much. He was hell of weak. Like he didn't, you couldn't see him become this, within 10 years, become this bad guy that's running for president.

But look who we got in there now. Anyway, so yeah, I mean, I understand what you're saying. Yeah, that's why I assume that 2004 McComb was the reasoning for the rising. crime that 94 McComb became. But since both of them touched each other and they turned into this pink bloody blob and then just disappeared

as so and that totally blew time, messed up time because Walker uh, saved his 94 self as well as his wife. And then he

goes back into time into 2004. And then when he gets there. When he's in a little spaceship, he looks and the the name tag or the name stencil on the wall was changed again. And was that the original?

No, because that guy was dead. All I know is it didn't say McComb anymore. Yeah, was it, I don't even think it was the original person. No, I think it was something different. Yeah, something totally different. because when they explode, okay, back in 2004, the timeline is changed for the better.

McComb mysteriously vanished. Oh, it doesn't say what it said on the wall. But anyway, so when he goes back, he finds out, he talks to Matuzak. Oh, Matuzac got killed by the cops. Before the last time jump into the past, when Walker convinced McComb to send me back to go find, fielding he was the one because at that point

they were shutting down the TEC so there was armed there was armed police and everybody in there but Matoosak did the controls to help him shoot him back into time again

but before he took off he got shot by those cops right yeah but he's alive now because McComb disappeared in 1994 so he couldn't have a hand in his killing so yeah so everything that science all this stuff of 2004 mccone was altered and changed so matuzac was still alive

because i did like that because when he came back and walked into the office he sees matusack and he's like what are you looking at and then but he was kind of like happy that his friend was still was alive again because the last time he saw him he was dead so he's like all right I did what I had to do Everything's back Well I guess it's not back to normal But it's a better Ninety or 2004

Because he goes He gets in his little Space Age car and goes home And he gets there And his house is there He goes up to the front door And this little kid comes running out And goes dad

And runs up And then Melissa comes out That looks like she did not age at all But she said, did you, did you feel like she was going to say something? Um, to reassure him. Because he, of course, he has that look like, you know, he, of course, he's never seen this kid, which is kind of sad because this whole 10 years of this kid's life he missed. All right.

This is what I think. Okay. The 94, Melissa, uh, was, I want to know, did she talk to the 94. Walker and tell him, hey, man, your 2004 self was just here and helped us survive this. I mean, I want to know

if she told her 94 husband that. I don't think so, because then he wouldn't have been so surprised to see his son. So I just assume that she did mention something. That's why

she never said nothing within those 10 years, because there's a 10-year gap that the 2004, the very first Walker that were dealt with from the beginning of the film does not know because I don't know.

I want to know, did he go in the house and tell her all right, this is what happened? Because that would probably blow her mind as well. He's like, I'm not in my past, you died in 94. But now then I went back in time and changed

everything and altered all kinds of stuff and saved you so you didn't die and now here we are because I think that was just like what? They'd probably get a divorce and they'll be the end of that but the sad part of this whole thing would have been

the 10 years that he lost with his son. Yeah. Like being born growing up and everything because that little kid he is like he know he he lived those 10 years. But that would

suck. Well, hey, dad, remember when we did this? Or maybe she's even, even his wife. Hey, remember yesterday said you were going to bring pizza home for dinner and where is it? I mean, there's, there's a lot of things like, would that blow your mind to like, fuck, man? I mean, I, how do you tell your wife that? Like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't, I don't remember the past 10 years. His mind should be gone anyways from all this constant time travel and changing things. And I don't know. That's time count. And another thing. Okay.

If this was the time, the 19, the Melissa's timeline up to this point of when Walker came back to 2004. Back in 94, that house blew up again because it blew up in the beginning of the movie and then it blew up again in this, didn't it? Yeah. So he rose up To home he should be at a A whole new house or did they just Rebuild it? Yep

I noticed that this watch It says right here Walker escaped 2004 Walker escapes with Melissa Before the bomb explodes And leaves her Beside his unconscious Younger self before returning to the future So the house did blow up.

Yeah. But then the house should wouldn't be there in 2004. And there it is. I guess he gets paid good to be a time cop. I don't know. I don't know. They either rebuilt that house. And I don't think they had that much money in 94.

But I don't know. I mean, there was many, many plot holes, many, many flaws in this film. but I still love it. This is the first time I actually sat down and talked about this film other than, oh man, did you see Time Copp? Yeah, it was badass.

Never really sat down and tried to figure out their science behind time travel. I don't think we even came close to figuring out. Oh, no. I don't think so. I mean, there's so much stuff should, the world should have blew up with all this alterations. but the budget was $27 million and it boxed office $101.6 million.

So it definitely made this money. It got my money because I saw it twice in the theater and multiple times, buying it multiple times on the media, physical media. And damn it, if it comes down 4K, I'm sure I'll buy it again. I was just going to ask, since it seems after we do these shows, Something comes out on Blu-ray or Steelbook. Which one of these movies is coming out? They're both on Blu-ray.

If anything, if Steelbook-wise, I think they would do Demolition Man first, maybe for one of the anniversaries. Yeah. As far as I know, I don't think any Van Dam film is in Steelbook form. I've seen one. It's like an import for Bloodsport. I'm going to have to look all that up because if that is, I'm getting it. It's like 200 bucks or something. Forget that.

That's way above my allowance. But scores. Time cop. What do you give it? I did enjoy it. I still do enjoy it. even though we shot through so many holes, like this was target practice, I'm going to give it a seven. I still have fun with it.

I like Van Dam's fighting in it. There was a little bit of comedy in it. I liked. And even though the CG doesn't hold up, like you can still take it for what it is and have fun with it. Yeah, the CGI just, some of the CGI just did not hold up at all. Again, the time ripples and all that, I thought that was cool. That still holds up. The many, many plot holes trying to figure this film out.

I think that to me, I think it just upped my score because I was right around with you. I'm giving it a nine because, I mean, just trying to talk about it and having fun in the process. some of you might think this movie's stupid and we didn't make any sense talking about it but oh man I think this probably go down as one of the funnest episodes trying to figure out this this damn movie what did I say nine yeah yeah I'm definitely giving it a nine this is something I can rewatch over and over and if you guys love this film as well just get some buddies and crack open and light up and try to figure out time cop and if you do let us know because it's still blowing my mind even talking about it for an hour yeah because i don't even feel we came close

to not even out time cop no not even everybody and it was cool from van dam to maria sarah me as sarah to ron silver to all the bad guys and silver boots whatever his name was I love this film. It's probably my second favorite Van Dam film right after. I know this sentence may be blasphemous for everyone. I think my favorite one is Universal Soldier. I know everyone goes to Bloodsport or Kickboxer, but I think Bloodsport is my third favorite.

But I really love this film. Like I said earlier, this was probably the only Van Dam film where you had to try to think. and make some sense of it, but you can't. So, but yeah, that's a 1990-194's time cop, sci-fi action, the mind fuck. I don't know which one call it. Oh, you'll put that on the blue-ray.

Yeah. What did they? Okay, they got it as action crime, sci-fi. All right. Yeah, I can go with that. Time cop. Damn. All right.

This is a part of the show where I tell the list of what you got coming. We should have had this and that out, but our work schedules have been really messing us up at the East Society. The Zisu did drop a BBQ Big Brother quarantine episode. It's in two parts. I think it's his longest. It's like an hour over on Anchor. so definitely check that out and I will be dropping another Blu-ray update over in our East Society anchor feed. I got a lot in the mail so I definitely be covering those and hopefully a regular episode soon.

It's it's just we work different schedules. He works early in the morning. I work at night so it's kind of hard for us to get something going right now. but hopefully it will be soon this week. If not this weekend, it's hopefully, or I'm saying if it's not this week, this weekend, definitely we will have some more stuff coming. I know he's got with the NBA finals going on, he's got more NBA check-ins. The Lakers lost to the Nuggets tonight or where we're tomorrow actually last night yesterday. But really quick, the sports returns.

are you for uh well i'm a i'm a rockets fan so they're out yeah so are you i'm a fan of lebron all right i i never i never go for anybody in the eastern conference ever so yeah i i got to go i i got to stick with the west coast so i got to represent i got to go with the king james and the lakers um i think they can do it i think it's going to be down to boston or the celtics and the lakers but who knows. I mean, anything can happen between now and then. So still got a few more weeks of basketball, right? Yeah, which is weird because if everything was on schedule, the next season would start next month. Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, this, this's been a weird year, everybody, and we're almost done. Hopefully, uh, 20201 will be different. Um, but if we can get in the time,

time cop way back machines we would definitely go back and uh try to at least tell everyone to be prepared yeah because apparently going back in time doesn't really mess with time let's see horror returns uh we just dropped our episode doing the the crazies uh the the original and the remake that was with our guest uh deke richards uh he's got a nice documentary out called Tax Shelter Terror's. Everybody check that out. You can find it on YouTube. And next week is our Alfred Hitchcock episode.

We're doing Vertigo and the Birds, and we'll be joined by Jack Falvey from binge media. And as far as the action returns, we're going to do something a little bit newer. some eco-U-ways. We're going to do a headshot and the night comes for us. Headshot. Did I watch that one?

They are both on Netflix. I've seen the night come for us and I'll save it. I'll have to re-watch it and I'll save for what I thought about that one. But yeah, two awesome films. Definitely a lot of kicking ass in those films. So definitely get ready for all that, everyone.

Yeah, again, East Side will be out soon. And yeah, so until everyone, until next time, everyone, thank you for listening and party on. And until the action returns, everybody stay safe.