The Horror Returns - The Action Returns - Ep. #32: Band Of The Hand (1986)

Episode Date: April 19, 2021

This episode Brain and Nez hit the beaches of Miami to help out Joe and his band of misfit juveniles in the 1986 classic BAND OF THE HAND.    Join The Action Returns Facebook group. https://www.face...book.com/groups/841619946357776   Follow The Action Returns on IG and Twitter: Instagram: @theactionreturns Twitter: @action_returns 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 All right, everybody. Meps and pushes around. All right, everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Action Returns. I believe this is, damn, episode 32 already. I'm your host, Brian, with me, as always, is my brother, Nez. What's up, man? 32? Is that what you said?
Starting point is 00:01:01 I think it's 32. I agree. Yep, 32. Okay. 32. Yeah. All right, man. Because we're, what, I think 13 for, um,
Starting point is 00:01:15 stream fiends. It's all the blur. Yeah, it is. But, uh, everyone that listened to our, uh, our two, uh, WrestleMania shows. I mean, thank you so much, man. I, uh, wasn't sure if anyone was going to listen to it, but, uh, a lot of people did.
Starting point is 00:01:35 I know we said it's not going to be a thing, but it might have to be a thing. It might have to be at least a good episode a month or something. Maybe just the pay-per-view. Yeah, whatever pay-per-view is on that month. Yeah. So. Go ahead. Real quick, real quick, we were almost right.
Starting point is 00:01:57 Charlotte did show up on Raw. Yes, she did. She did not leave with him title. But she did. she had to show up for what her 50th heel turn yeah god damn she looked good though I was just sorry ladies but I was just I was just god damn yeah I met I met her once slimmed up though yes she did I always felt like she was a little too muscular did uh she married whatever that fool's name is adrida yeah I think they're engaged I was wondered how that play out since they
Starting point is 00:02:33 let him go. Well, she can be a sugar mama. You may he's laying it down good and wrung that bell now she's in love. Yeah, she was, you're, you're lying though. She was looking real good. Yeah. I don't know about this storyline about
Starting point is 00:02:54 false pregnancy and false COVID tests or whatever. Yeah, I don't know what with that whole rant. I was like, did I miss something? So, but. Yeah, everyone, we'll, uh, we'll bring more. Um, uh, who's, um, Australia. Um, Tim. Yeah, was it Tim the one that loves when we do that?
Starting point is 00:03:24 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I tell everybody I can't, if Nez is not on the horror returns, I, I can't, I can't do wrestling returns. I got to have that intro. you can't do it
Starting point is 00:03:36 I just have to wait but that was fun I listened to both of them I know that first one was only a half hour we kind of just ran through it really quick but the second one's over an hour so it seemed like a lot of people listen to that one more
Starting point is 00:03:51 yeah I mean we really broke those ones down the other ones we kind of just ran through really quick but yeah I think the next one is backlash so uh WrestleMania backlash yeah
Starting point is 00:04:04 all right so we'll we'll see uh what happens with that one but oh this is action so what are we doing again i'm sorry band of the hand from nineteen eighty six once they were the problem this is you your criminal pass they gave you to me now they are the solution we clean up the park next from the streets now they're on our side Take the man down. Band of the hand. Rated art starts Friday at a few near you.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Let me see. I got Google pulled up here. Okay, I have, before we get it, let me read the synopsis. An Indian Vietnam veteran played by Stephen Lang, which I'll get to a second, trains five street punks in the Everglades to fight vice. in Miami. Okay, I didn't see that happening at all. Yeah. Let's see, IMDB, five juvenile's law, five juvenile loss causes are sent to the Everglades where a war veteran tries to reform them using survival tactics. Their new skills are, their new skills and resolve are tested when a Miami drug lord targets them for trying to clean up the neighborhood. That's a better synopsis right there. it's way better let's see
Starting point is 00:05:43 this star is Stephen Lang Michael Carmine Lauren Holly which I did not know that was Lauren Holly she was really young in this one Leon Robinson before he just became just Leon Al Shannon James
Starting point is 00:06:00 and Action Returns Hall of Famer Larry Fishburn as cream this was directed by Paul Michael Glasser produced by Michael Ranch Ranch written by Leo Garan and Jack Barron All right before we really get into this I didn't I was looking for Stephen Lang this whole movie and I didn't realize until I was looking at the cast list
Starting point is 00:06:33 after I watched this is my first time watch I was like, where the fuck was Stephen Lang? And he's supposed to be Native American in this? And this he is. He's not like half or is he like full in this movie? I would probably say he was half. I wouldn't go as far as Colin in full blood. I mean, he's not native at all.
Starting point is 00:07:04 I had to look that up. Um, yeah, I looked at it. Definitely, I looked it up to. I was like, Stephen Lang. I never and then I looked at him. I was like, okay, he's. This is probably the first film that I'd seen Stephen Lang in. I didn't, uh, really know much of, of him.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Uh, so when it was, when I was watching, watching this, uh, my cousin took me to see it. Cause somebody had something to do with, uh, Miami Vice because it had that vibe in it. I don't know if it was one of the producers or what. It wasn't the director. The director was Paul Michael Glasser, aka Detective Dave Starsky from Starsky and Hutch. And he also directed The Running Man.
Starting point is 00:08:01 But someone in, this in the production I assume maybe one of the producers had something to do with Miami Vice I don't know who yeah poster just says from the maker of Miami Vice one of one of them but
Starting point is 00:08:19 yeah the first time I had seen it in 86 when it came out we actually saw it the weekend it opened because my cousin was like oh man this is good let's go see it and I'm like okay I was already deep into Miami Vice
Starting point is 00:08:35 So I was like, all right, cool, right? Let's go see. I didn't know what it was going to be about who any of these people were in it. The only ones I knew that was from this film was James Remore. I already could because of the Warriors and all that. So was this before 48 hours? Or was it? Hmm.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Let's see. on this uh he plays a good in everything James reman uh let's see band of the hand was after four hours he was already uh
Starting point is 00:09:18 Gans and Ajax uh from the warrior so he was the only one I knew um uh what's his name uh Michael uh carmine uh Rubin
Starting point is 00:09:32 uh rest in peace he passed when he was at the age of 30. They had something to do with his heart. But I had seen him in a bunch of things. And, I mean, he wasn't never, like, the main person. He was kind of one of the background guys or whatever. So he was the one that didn't talk.
Starting point is 00:09:51 And the one that Leon was always fighting. Um, that he was Cuban. I don't know. Yeah, the guy that was like, shaped. Yeah, the jail cell. Yeah. What is the short, short,
Starting point is 00:10:13 I mean, but yeah, I mean, I dug this movie. I always thought it was cool when it, when it did its HBO run and then the VHS days. I don't know if it was on DVD.
Starting point is 00:10:28 I just picked up the Blu-ray not too long ago. I didn't even know that. Mike's the one to call me, dude, you have this? I was like, nope, so I had to order it. But, um,
Starting point is 00:10:37 When did you hear about this or how did you hear about this one if this was your first time watch? I think I heard you mention it on one of your shows one time. And recently I just happened. I seen it at the store on Blu-ray and I was like and I think it was like under $10. And I was like, fuck it. You know, I'll blind buy it. And I was like, you know, what better chance to watch it and talk about it than right here on Action Returns. And I really dug it.
Starting point is 00:11:09 I really dug it. Uh, this story nowadays, it's probably nothing, nothing new, you know, with the, uh, kind of delinquent kids, you know, they kind of thrown together and they got to, they got to learn to work past their differences and stuff. But, uh, back then it probably was something new. And I just, I really enjoyed the characters in it, you know, how different they all was. I think, uh, what's his name was probably my face. favorite LT oh jail they called him the quiet one yeah yeah yeah it's right because his name was a James Lee yeah he was probably my favorite I mean out of all he seemed to be the smartest one he was just quiet but I mean this one I mean again
Starting point is 00:11:58 yeah it was it was a story um maybe not that that I can remember any movies in the 80s of getting some bad kids and trying to reform them. I mean, this story has been told over and over, but many different ways. But I've always loved this film because these five young gentlemen, there were two of them were in street gangs. One of them was just a runaway and just in and out of the juvenile system. one of them was a beginning to be a or he's in the beginning stages these are all teenagers he he was in the beginning stages of being a part of the dope game uh with more higher up uh drug lords
Starting point is 00:12:52 oh he said he was he was Cuban his Spanish wasn't very good every time he did no it wasn't but yeah a young A really young Lauren Hawley. She played Nikki. She was supposedly 16 in this, but I don't think so because she showed quick little boob shot. I think she was 16. Yeah, it got a, it got a little sketchy here. There's a scene in here you can't do today with her and James Remar.
Starting point is 00:13:31 And he's like, how old are you? She's like 16. He was like, all right, go upstairs. Take your clothes off. I'll be up there when I'm done doing what I'm doing. I was like, whoa, because you, James Remar looks like he's like 30 something in this. Yeah, even a young Larry Fishburn. He played, I don't know if he was a street pimp or what, or just one of the local pushers in Little Havana in Miami.
Starting point is 00:14:00 His name was Cream. Okay. But I mean, you got to love the 80s. especially with the fashion, with all of them. Carlos being Danny Quinn was the drug guy and his nice little kind of big baggy pants and silk shirts and silk coats or whatever the hell they wear down there.
Starting point is 00:14:27 And Leon, he was Moss and Michael Carmine was Rubin. They were the two street gang guys, the black gang and the Puerto Rican gang. Yeah, Ruben was the leader of the homeboys and Leon was the leader of the 27th Avenue players. Got to love these street gang names. I mean... Yeah, what are we going to call this gang?
Starting point is 00:14:58 I know, the homeboys. I mean, especially those two, because what I love, the whole movie, first of all. But what I really loved about this, was the beginning because they give you the who each one of these is in like a minute so I mean because they show the very beginning of the film you see a big street war going on just fighting and then this is when we're introduced to Rubin and Moss and their two gangs are fighting in the street and then they both get arrested and then they show their their mug shots and
Starting point is 00:15:34 and their full names and everything. And then we see, um, what's his nuts? Carlos, uh, he's doing a drug deal selling, two big ass bags of Coke.
Starting point is 00:15:47 And, uh, he, he gets busted. Yeah, it was an undercover, uh, sting operation.
Starting point is 00:15:52 So he gets arrested. And they show his mugshot. And then we go to LJ or JL, uh, John Cameron Mitchell. Uh, he is, just some weirdo.
Starting point is 00:16:06 He's got spiky hair, sunglasses, crazy outfit. And I don't know why, but he blew up a classroom at school. I don't know. I don't know why he did that, but he goes back to his house. I think it was a fascination of his
Starting point is 00:16:27 because you get that scene later when they're buying all the supplies. And he's trying to tell the guy, oh, we're hunting gophers. the guy's like no there's no gophers around here there's armadillos and then he's telling him how to get rid of armadillos and you can see like he's
Starting point is 00:16:42 super interested on on the techniques and watching the materials and everything so I just think he likes because when he goes home to his house he lives in a trailer park his dad is in there beating up his mom and his dad's drunk and he kind of
Starting point is 00:17:01 just walks in and looks and just pulls out his gun kills his dad and then he gets arrested and then we see Al Shannon's character he plays Dorsey he was trying to escape from some juvenile center so he gets locked up again and that's the five people we meet Nikki when she's with Carlos she was his driver but she ends up hauling ass and getting away so that's when we're introduced to all them then they get a scene of them all in jail in each different jails and then they all kind of get pulled out of them and they throw them in a boat to throw them in a like a truck or a van or
Starting point is 00:17:43 something to take them out to the everglades they get on one of those swamp boats and takes them way out in the middle of nowhere and just throws them all out all right here you guys go and they don't know what's going on they don't know why they're there no nobody was telling them and what they were doing there and then out of format well Leon and I'm sorry Moss and Rubin start going at it start fighting each other and then here comes Stephen Lang Joe he comes out and tells them all right this is what we're doing and uh I'm basically okay um told them all right you're gonna be out here this is teach you guys how to live off the land and all that and it was here.
Starting point is 00:18:28 All your stuff you need is right there. It was like sleeping bag or whatever that was and a knife and some other things to try to survive. And then he kind of disappears. I'll be back in the morning. So when he comes back, he says that you guys all need to work as a team. Basically, this is going to be their form of re, I'm not reconditioning. What do you call it?
Starting point is 00:18:57 Yeah. Rehabilitation. and learning how to work together and live off the land to survive because if they don't, then they're out in the middle of nowhere and basically you're going to die. But Dorsey kind of looks at it goes and they're like, who are you? And he goes, oh, he's a, he goes, he's one of those swamp Indians. I think he's a seminal. And he said he's Miccosukee.
Starting point is 00:19:24 Um, as far as I know, there's, there's many tribes over in Florida. I know Seminole. Micosukee, I could be wrong. I'm not really familiar with, with all the tribes over there. But I'm sure he was from there as well. Well, the tribe was from there. Um, really quick. There is other people or other natives that, um,
Starting point is 00:19:52 don't like it when they get non-natives to be to be Native Americans in films. It never really bothered me, but it bothers me now because there's so many Native American actors out there, but you, I understand you've got to get someone that's going to put butts in the seats to watch this film or to rent it or however you watch films. I um if if you were okay say they're gonna remake this movie now and they were like nez we want you to cast everybody
Starting point is 00:20:28 would you cast this job oh man the first the first name that popped in my head was Michael gray eyes but um I like that pick because he he was badass
Starting point is 00:20:46 and um blood quantum and I did like him and fear the walking dead he's done uh ton of a ton of movies. I was thinking of my buddy Gene Eugene Brave Rock. He was
Starting point is 00:21:01 a chief and Wonder Woman. Not to name drop everyone. But he he's tall and everything, but he's soft-spoken. So, I mean, that's not a bad thing, but Michael Gray, as I think
Starting point is 00:21:17 he, he's got like a more of a stronger stronger voice. I think he could do it. Again, there's other tons of native actors out there, but as far as maybe to get someone that people know, I would probably go with Michael Gray eyes. I think he just got cast in something pretty big.
Starting point is 00:21:40 I got, look it up. Yeah, I want to say I just saw his picture on something else. He's been in a ton of things. He's going to be in the Firestarter reboot as I don't know. Don't put him in the George C. Scott roll. Yeah, okay. Rain Bird.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Come on. I. It's the names, everyone. I mean, that bug. If they put. me in a movie for whatever reason and hey we want to call you this I'd be like you know what
Starting point is 00:22:33 just call me Niz I mean that's that's a Navajo last name and everyone will know I'm Navajo and when you see my name across the screen Kevin Nez I'd be like yeah that's me I would do that I'm gonna be in one of my friend of the show Mike one of his films
Starting point is 00:22:52 but it's just my voice in that one I don't I don't know the name yet But if I get to pick the name, of course, it's going to be Ness. But I don't know what. I mean, it's Mike's story. So whatever name he comes up with, just don't call me like two feathers or something like that. No.
Starting point is 00:23:10 I mean, when's, when's your guys, I don't know. He's got so many projects, uh, just, uh, he's doing all the time. I'm like, dude, you need to concentrate on one before you start another one. So, uh, I don't, I don't really know. I mean, it's, it's all up to Mike. And who's going to be the back guy? As soon as he has me something here, this is what I want you to do. All right, okay.
Starting point is 00:23:41 But I don't know, we'll see. But yeah, I would pick Michael Gray eyes if they redid this to be Joe. They never really said his last name or if they did. I didn't hear it. But the rest of the of this film is, Joe is teaching them how, like I said, how to work together, how to be a band, to work together as a band, to be the fingers of a hand. Because, I mean, it made sense. I mean, your hand and all your fingers, they all got to work together to get things done.
Starting point is 00:24:17 So, and he picked all of these guys because they all came from five different backgrounds and two of them hating each other. and one crazy firebomb dude drug want to be drug lord and then some just drifter runaway
Starting point is 00:24:34 so yeah he had a little well yeah he did racism to him he dropped a derogatory term for well
Starting point is 00:24:48 it starts with a ness I mean I've heard it meaning towards Mexican never humans but to him he probably just puts them all in the same book so but even uh remar jane uh nester he uh threw that inward uh and that one scene when they're on the boat now which was go ahead okay is he's is he supposed to be something to
Starting point is 00:25:18 or is he just a white dude that that's into black magic yes i mean okay that that was i have to say out of anything that probably threw me a little bit because i thought that was going to come into play more in the movie and i just don't really think it did it only came into play well not into play but it was only the scene twice other than when nicky uh found his little ritual closet or whatever and then uh at at the end when they're after they're after they They kind of raided the house. They painted something on the wall. It looked like just a straight line with a circle.
Starting point is 00:26:03 But they said that was Nestor's. Yeah. Yeah. That's his mark. And I was like, Yeah. What was supposed to be? Someone just threw some pain on the wall.
Starting point is 00:26:13 But I don't know. Yeah, I thought some, maybe they'd bring that in. They just never, never did. This film was, I mean,
Starting point is 00:26:23 this movie is actually kind of short. hour and 40 minutes or something like that it flies by pretty fast yeah it did not feel hour and 40 like today probably be like two hours and 40 minutes but the weather way out in in the in the everglades somewhere I mean they come across all kinds of things uh the weather uh just tons and tons of water all around them um Dorsey at one time just uh took off and he he was trying to escape and he ends up getting bitten by a rattlesnake. And Joe brings him back. And then he's just kind of teaching them all that.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Because they're like, we don't have any food. What are we going to eat? This is one of my favorite scenes as well. When Joe was talking to them and telling them what they were going to do, he made them like stew. And they're all just sitting there. They're just happy to eat something. So they were eating.
Starting point is 00:27:23 And they go, what are these chewy things? And they go, oh, those are snails. And then Ruben is the one that stood up and like, I ran out to the bushes and threw up. And then they're, oh, what are these other things? Or these little round things,
Starting point is 00:27:36 I think that's what you call them. Oh, those are termite eggs. And then Ruben threw up again. And then Moss got on, man, what the fuck, man,
Starting point is 00:27:45 you can have me eating fucking snail dicks or whatever the hell he said. And I like how it shows you Carlos's, uh, background. because you know he's the the drug trafficker or whatever and he's talking about you know at a fancy restaurant in Miami you know escargo goes for a lot of money I mean and then they're eating frog legs have you ever had frog legs yeah frog legs and escargo are I'm sorry to anybody who likes them now I've tried them never if I could try it snails but uh I'd give the frog legs a try
Starting point is 00:28:27 I mean, I don't know how you It doesn't taste like chicken to me I'll learn with French fried frog eggs from Doc Hopper in the Muppet movie That sounds good Yeah, I've had them I've had them two different ways
Starting point is 00:28:45 I would say if you're going to try them Yeah, try and you fry a snail shit, I'll eat it What kind of frogs are these? Are these special frogs that raised to eat or is it just some regular pawn frog you know I can't even answer that uh we have like a we have a grocery store here where I stay it's like a specialty where you can get stuff like that and that that's where we got them and my brother rest in peace you know he made them and
Starting point is 00:29:23 they were fucking disgusting and I don't know everybody everybody thought they tasted good and they were like, oh, it's like chicken. I was like, I don't know what kind of fucking chicken you guys are eating. What is what did it kind of taste like? The texture is not like chick. I think it, because I'm a texture type of person and the texture was not like chicken. And it was more chewy. And I don't know.
Starting point is 00:29:51 The flavor wasn't there either. And they were just like, oh, we're going to fry it. You know, when you fry anything, it tastes good. I was like, no, you guys proved that wrong. I'll, I'll try anything. to a certain degree. I mean, I got to know what it is. Don't just put it on the plate and say,
Starting point is 00:30:07 here, and eat this. I mean, I'm not eating like a horse dick or anything like that. Or, um, bull balls on, what was that show fear factor? When they always have them eating crazy things, I mean,
Starting point is 00:30:20 uh, Rocky Mountain oysters. I don't know. I hate oysters. They taste like nothing. Muscles, uh, clams and,
Starting point is 00:30:31 stuff like that to me that i know a lot of people love those but they just taste like nothing and oysters are like big snot clods or uh anyway uh shout out to lance i think i think he eats them wrong i can't my brother's like that he told me he loves it i'm like i can't do it i tried it i mean i tried it just all right maybe i will nope i can't do it oh me me neither i tried and yeah i spit it right back on the play um have you ever tried whale i mean you're up there yeah i again i i know people love it but it was just like chewing on rubber no, I'm good. I tried it, though.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Yeah, I gave me a shot. I just made my jaws hurt. I'm chewing and chewing and chewing. One of my buddies, he's in any way that lives up there. And they go, yeah, man, we eat it all time. I said, all right, well, good for you guys. No disrespect to anyone that eats it. But I just wasn't for me.
Starting point is 00:31:50 But anyway, so that's, I love that scene when he made that, stew at that point man I would have ate it I wouldn't have cared I mean they were hungry so they were eating that and they were eating fish catching I don't know what kind of swamp fish and catfish that they had down there so
Starting point is 00:32:08 after Joe taught him enough he was like all right here's your final exam threw a map down gave him a compass I said he goes if you got if you guys can find me I'll be right here on this map and then he just disappeared
Starting point is 00:32:24 into the night so they all got up one morning and then started the treads through the through the everglades uh kind of got into a little uh a little fight uh because they were just not really sure which way direction they were going and they didn't know if they were reading the compass uh right or not but l j he seemed like or j ls seemed to know what he was doing but when uh rubin snatched a compass away from him and then mosh snatched it from him and then they start fighting And Mosch is basically trying to drown. Rubin, this is when we finally hear J.L., the crazy bomb nut guy, speak like on, stop.
Starting point is 00:33:07 Joe said we're going to die if we don't work together. Yeah, the so-called crazy guy was the most. Oh, yeah. Everybody. I mean, again, he seemed to be the smartest one out of all of them. it was just weird and psychotic and like to blow things up but um so they kind of all right they kind of put their shit together and started treaching through the through the water um they come across uh uh look like a black bear but i don't know if there's i didn't know those bears and
Starting point is 00:33:41 i don't know happened that that's the first thing that popped in my head i was like do do they have bears no i never remember the forest i don't know i mean if someone in Florida, you guys know, let us know, because I didn't know it was bears down there. I'm surprised there was no alligators or anything down there. Because they came across a bear, that rattlesnake. Oh, they killed, when Joe was with him, they hunted and killed a boar. And they were eating ribs that night. I ought to eat that, too, man.
Starting point is 00:34:14 I don't care as long as it's cooked. The only thing is, I don't know if I can just eat meat like that without. At least salt. I mean, you put, you can put salt on anything and make it taste good. Not anything, but meat-wise. Yeah. And have nothing, nothing to put on it. But I guess if you're not really eating anything,
Starting point is 00:34:36 anything to eat would probably taste good. That'll give a little barbecue taste to just eat it. So, but yeah, that's the stuff they came across. And they pretty much ate everything except they even ate the snake at one point. point because after um when dorsey tried to run or he did run and uh he got bit joe came back carrying dorsey and he had that a rattlesnake with him and he pulled off the skin and i'm sure he chopped it up and ate it but they didn't show that but so yeah so they're still just walking through and getting all mad at each other because they're not really sure which
Starting point is 00:35:17 direction they're going they're about to start fighting again and then dorsey kind of like hey, do you guys hear that? And there's like music playing. So they kind of just start following it and they get to and there's a big, huge party. I love how they just come out of the bushes. They look like just like cavemen with the, they just,
Starting point is 00:35:35 I don't know how hot it is in Florida, but they just tore off basically all their clothes and made it, made it all wild looking. So they see this big party. There's music going, kids running around, big old spread of food. And they just,
Starting point is 00:35:51 immediately start digging in and eating and then they see Joe so they run over to Joe anything either all right obviously most of the extras in here were either Seminole or Miccosukee I know Seminoles there I'm not sure about Miccosukee I'm sure someone's yelling at me about it
Starting point is 00:36:17 but I want to say all the extras were really natives but Stephen Lang oh my god man I love him he's a badass actor I love him just about everything he's in but the big beaded medallion
Starting point is 00:36:34 and the headband I was like oh okay come on we already know you're native you don't have to put on all the stuff to to try to fit in because if you obviously look around at everyone else nobody has that stuff
Starting point is 00:36:49 on You know that was wardrobe. Somebody was like, we got to, we got to add the extras onto this one. So, so they know, even though you can look at him and say he's not. So we let him pass. He had dark hair. Plus he was badass. So he told them, he was like, look, you guys, you guys passed.
Starting point is 00:37:13 And because they were all screaming that, man, you just left us out there. There was a bear. And there was this and that. And he goes, well, you guys did it. You passed. You guys are the first, and they didn't really understand why he was saying that. They go, what do you mean? Because you guys are the first person.
Starting point is 00:37:29 You guys are the first group that passed this, this rehabilitation program. And they were like, what? Yeah, we're number one. And they're all hyped and everything. So they're just getting ready to party. But they were like, well, what happened to everyone else? And then he just kind of gave him that look. you guys made it.
Starting point is 00:37:53 That's dangerous terrain out there. Because they even said, man, we could have died out there. And that's when he said, well, you guys made it and they didn't. So I don't know how many times he had done this with other groups,
Starting point is 00:38:05 but they obviously all died somewhere out there. So the bodies were eating up by alligators or bears or boars or what, but he said they never made it. So he was like, he was there. He let them party And he told them, all right, you guys ready for Miami? And they're like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:26 So he told him that they got a house and we're going back to Miami. So they Yeah. It's $1 a year. He bought a house from the city, a dollar a year. And it was just like, it was a, they said in Little Havana. And it was basically a crag den because it was just nothing. but homeless people and drug addicts.
Starting point is 00:38:54 There was a park across street that was just full of junkies. And the house they had was all boarded up. So when they went in, they had to chase out all the crackheads and everything that were in there. And then they found out that there was a Haitian family that's squatting upstairs. All right. So everybody's on the roof and they're just trying to figure out what, they're going to do. They got the Haitian family in the house, and they got,
Starting point is 00:39:26 I want to keep calling him Ajax. Nestor, James Remar. Either Ajax or Gans from 48 hours. But, and Cream, Larry Fishburn. His character. Oh, yeah, I,
Starting point is 00:39:46 it's just, this must be the Larry Fishburn podcast, because the last few movies he had been in all of them so i always say he's he's action returns hall of fame yeah he is i mean i i forgot he was in this until they showed him i was like oh fuck man yeah you got to think about it all the movies we were talking about he's larry fishburn we haven't even got to lawrence fishburn yet i don't even remember when he turned to that i mean um namian um three dream warriors he was larry fishburn and no no man I'll figure it out when, when it changed.
Starting point is 00:40:24 So, yeah, they're trying to figure out what they're going to do. But Stephen, uh, Steve. Yeah, Stephen Lang Joe is like, man, it's your guys's call. We can, but they, they, I don't know, I had a feeling that they didn't want to throw them out. So, but then they hear some, uh, ruckus downstairs. And they're like, is that our house? And they all go running downstairs. And there's all these drug addicts trying to bust back into the house and the Haitian family.
Starting point is 00:40:48 One of them swinging a machete. I love how Dorsey just comes running in and just Boom kicks one of them and and then Joe's kind of like, Hey man, just calm down, calm down. And those crack it. This is our house. We use this place. And then they go,
Starting point is 00:41:07 Not anymore. Get out. And then they just start pushing everyone out of the street. And then they kind of just rush them all across the street to the park. And this is when cream comes rolling up. I love this part because, no, yeah, after they get them out and then I think maybe a day or so goes by because they're fixing up the house. I mean, they're fixing the windows, fixing the doors, they're painting over all the graffiti and everything. Yeah, very, very Miami 80s colors going on here.
Starting point is 00:41:38 And speaking of Miami 80s, I mean, the design of the house is pure, pure, my mind. Miami 80s style. I mean, if you guys seen the film and you see the house, I mean, it's, I don't know who the designers were. But again, I've never been to Miami or anything. So, but in my Miami is movies. So, I mean, it just looks like that. So all the hobos and crackheads are screaming across street while Joe and the gang are fixing up the house. They write no, no drugs, pimps and push them.
Starting point is 00:42:18 get out or whatever it said they wrote on there. And Cream and his guys come rolling up. And then they go, I ain't no pimps and pushes around here. And he goes, and he's like, this is the guys that are making you move out of the house. Five punks and tono.
Starting point is 00:42:42 And the racial slurs are all over it in this. That was really quick. If I saw Joe, Native American would be the last thing. I would guess. Like he said earlier, you know, they put him with the headband and all that kind of stuff. Mainly he just did it in that one. He did have a headband later on, but it was just like a black band or anything. But so, yeah, so Cream kind of realizes what's happening.
Starting point is 00:43:18 and then they go to a I thought this is a part when they're on the boat because Joe like are they're just Joe and them are just trying to fix up the house and make sure everything's going to run smooth and hopefully keep all the dealers and the drug addicts across the street at the park. They're on a boat. Nestor is talking to Cream
Starting point is 00:43:42 and his boys. Nicky is laying there sunbathing on the boat and cream is telling there so look man we got it under control I mean don't worry about it sales will be back to where it was and this is when Nestor gets racial and one of Cream's guys is standing there kind of checking out Nikki and he just grabs a knife and jams it in his hand Nikki cover up when there's
Starting point is 00:44:10 inwards around I was like damn and you know what she didn't even cover up She didn't even move. She kind of just like looked and kept laying there. But I mean, that, I mean, that kind of showed you how hardcore Nestor was. I mean, looking at him, I mean, I don't know if he could fight. And I don't know how he became the leader of this big old gang. And, oh, did we mention another action returns, Hall of Famer?
Starting point is 00:44:46 I was going to say, is it the dude that's like Nestor's like right hand man or something? Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to look at trying to look at it out right now. Paul, uh, um, Calderon. Yeah. He's Tito. He was in, uh, deep cover and King in New York, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:10 Yeah. So he's right there. I mean, all the, the Larry Fishburn movies. He's been doing. He's been right there with. them too but um yeah i mean he's he's standing there trying to be all hardcore um because uh so we go back to the house jo and them are kind of do it um who was it carlos he's kind of like i i got to find nicky i mean he's just still in love with his chick so he kind of takes off
Starting point is 00:45:39 goes to see one of his friends just one of his buddies goes hey do you know where nicky is and he goes yeah she's somewhere over here but uh you know let me let me let me let me let's you know Let me take you upstairs and give you some, some Pimp clothes, some Miami Pimp clothes to wear. So he comes down, I'll fit it up in the silk and everything. And he goes to Nikki's apartment. She's still 16, maybe 17. I don't know how much time has gone by, but Carlos goes in there and like, what's all this? I mean, you didn't have this before and why are you living here?
Starting point is 00:46:14 And kind of basic tell, just screaming at her. Oh, you're fucking Nestor and some tried to speak Spanish and it didn't sound right. She's a horrible liar. It's my friend's condo. What is this men's cologne doing here? Oh, I like wearing that for fun. I'm out of here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:37 I mean, he should have just left and just didn't even worry about her. But he was, he was so strong. He just, he's like, nah, because he tried leaving. And that's when, uh, oh, She kind of followed him. And then when he got down to the lobby, that's when Nestor and Tito were down there. Yeah, which that scene makes no sense because Nestor's like, you know, snapping his fingers. Like, come.
Starting point is 00:46:59 And then she's about to start walking. And he's just like, no, stay with me. I was like, you was just about to leave her. I know. And now you're like, no, come with me. Like, you know, it's. Plus, Nestor's got all his, all his people there. It's not going to work like that.
Starting point is 00:47:14 No way. Tito's already got his hand on a pistol grip ready to pull it out. And then he just, Nestor kind of just tells, um, Carlos like, hey, man, you're, you're done. You're, your, your Miami privileges are done. Get out of town. So Carlos just kind of walks away and he ends up going back, uh, to the house. Um, I assume the next day. Joe and everyone are still out there trying to fix up the house.
Starting point is 00:47:40 He comes up and tells him, oh, you're back. I mean, because all they got, oh, Ruben, like, oh, man, he comes the, the Latin lover. And they all start laughing around. And then he just kind of jumps back in and starts working, helping him fix things. I like this part. Two, like a big car came rolling up and then some kind of Jeep or whatever. It was the, what were the gangs called again? The homeboys or whatever.
Starting point is 00:48:13 It was the homeboys. And it right here. was the home boys and the 27th Avenue players. The whole boys were the Cuban guys and, no, not Cuban, the Puerto Rican guys and the, whatever players were black guys. That was Moss's crew and Ruben's crew. They kind of came up and they were,
Starting point is 00:48:42 they still had beef, but they didn't really know. I assume Moss and Rubin were the leaders, the way they all came up. And they kind of like, Moss was like, Hey man, what's up with those paint brushes? And then Ruben just throws that,
Starting point is 00:48:56 throws it one at him. And they kind of go back and forth, looking at each other, and then they commence to painting the house. You got all their boys standing there on the sidewalk, screaming at them, laughing at them.
Starting point is 00:49:09 Ha, you're stupid. Why are you painting the house like this? Just saying it's dumb things. And Moss kind of turns to one of the, um, the Puerto Rican guys. He goes, he can you do better?
Starting point is 00:49:20 Next thing you know, they got the homeboys and the, the player guys all up there painting the house while Ruben and Moss are just sitting there
Starting point is 00:49:30 giving orders. So I assume they were the leaders to get all the boys to paint the house. Yeah, and if you go back and watch, some of them ain't, even doing anything.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Like this one guy, he's like, he's like up there like pop blocking. And I guess he's trying to do it while painting, but you can see the rollers not even touch the building. So they got the whole house in order. Joe is still trying to figure out what they're going to do. He goes to the police station and is trying to talk to, I assume, one of the higher-ups to get funding for his program because he's telling him, look, it works.
Starting point is 00:50:14 I got these five guys that were all at each other's throats. We got them all working together. And it just, it's all politics with stuff like this. I mean, that one, whoever he was a lieutenant or whatever, he was kind of like,
Starting point is 00:50:32 all right, man, I'll just, I'll look at it and, and do whatever. Because he, I think it's just more of, on paper,
Starting point is 00:50:42 okay, detective Brian allowed these guys to, to do whatever and make it look good for, I assume, the higher-ups. Because, man, they obviously don't give a shit. I mean, Joe does. He puts his time into these five guys and however many before that didn't make it. Because there was, he was, Joe was looking at a piece of paper and it said to, no, no, no, that, that higher-up guy, that one detective guy told him, I think he was lieutenant. He told him, hey, man, I don't know if we're going to do this because what happened to those two other guys that you had?
Starting point is 00:51:21 And then they ended up getting shot dead trying to rob a 7-Eleven. And he was just, Joe was like, I mean, he still has to live with that because they were a part of his program. But he's like, man, this is different. And then I got these guys to all work together. And the detective guy, like, eh, or lieutenant. All right, man, you'll get your money. So just leave me alone. So, I mean, it's all politics and bullshit between them.
Starting point is 00:51:50 But Joe kind of goes back and lets them know what's up. Oh, just jumping forward because it was just kind of talking and all that. Creaming the guys after they got, they had their meeting with Nestor, when Nestor told him, you need to go there and just get them. Carlos ended up going back to Nikki. and trying to smooth things over. One thing leads to another, he ends up beating it up,
Starting point is 00:52:24 and she's telling them, look, I got $10,000. We can go anywhere we want. Maybe back in the 80s, maybe in 86. You can do a lot with $10,000, but you're in 2021. Yeah, that's a lot of money,
Starting point is 00:52:38 but you pay all your bills and then that's it. Any rent or your mortgage gone. So he, He was going to leave with her. They did jump in the car and they started going. And she had mentioned to him about Nestor and about him stabbing someone in the hand. And then she mentioned that, yeah, that cream and the guys are going to go after these kids and some Indian. And then Carlos was like, what?
Starting point is 00:53:12 And she goes, yeah, they're going to hit him tonight. So he turns the car around. We go back to the house. Dorsey is on the roof. Oh, let me go back really quick. We totally skipped the scene when Cream and them showed up during the day. And because Joe and them were all outside playing basketball. And Cream and his boys came up and pulled guns on him.
Starting point is 00:53:39 And then Joe ended up kind of sweeping the leg from Cream and taking the gun away from him. and made all those creams guys pulled after they all had like submachine guns and I don't know one of those guns look crazy it looked like a spear gun but I wasn't sure I wasn't sure what it was and all their pistols and everything and uh Dorsey's like he's got a gun to his neck and he goes ah you should have killed me
Starting point is 00:54:08 Tano and all that and Joe's like yeah you guys just get the fuck out of here because he made them put all their guns down. And then they said, all right, collect them all. So the boys just took all the guns and cream and those guys all took off. I think that's when they went to Nestor and got stabbed in the hand and all that. So they had all these weapons, machine guns and everything. And then Joe knew that cream and the guys were going to come back. So he goes, look, if you guys want to do this, or you guys don't, he told him, you guys don't have to do this. You, you can leave. So they're like, now we're going to hang out with you.
Starting point is 00:54:48 He goes, all right, then we need to learn how to fight. So that's when he did the whole training system, a training session to where they were learning how to shoot guns and everything. So then this is, that's when Carlos left and everything. And they, Nikki told him that they were going to come and go after them. So that's when they go racing back to the house. Dorsey is on the roof. and he's just kind of just walking, doing his posts,
Starting point is 00:55:19 keeping a lookout, and here comes cream and the rest of the gang. And they just immediately start opening up, opening fire onto the house. Just bullets flying everywhere. Dorsey's on the roof. He's letting them have it. Everyone else, Joe and everyone goes, all right, you guys know what to do.
Starting point is 00:55:37 And they get in your position. So everyone's got their guns and they're ready to go. one of the one of the one of the one of the one of the cream's guys through um i assume a maltof cocktail or something into the house because the the front of the house caught fire so they were like ah so they were kind of running downstairs that whole Haitian family was still in there too so i assume they maybe they went out of the back but all the guy joe and the guys kind of run outside uh start ducking behind cars and there's a big old shootout war on the street Um, mainly all the cream guys are getting shot up.
Starting point is 00:56:16 And then, um, I think Joe jumped down the street and, um, cream's car was coming at him. And he shot that up, killed the driver and they got and then they flipped over. Oh, no, that's when, um, what's his name showed up in the convert. That's right. And you play a little, little chicken with them and they jumped out of the car and they kind of, I thought it was going to be more. of like a head-hour collision, but it ended up flipping Cream's car. Yeah, because I think that cream and them turned and then and that's what flipped their car.
Starting point is 00:56:51 I don't know where Nicky was. I think she got out like a blocker so away. Yeah, he had made her get out. And Carlos just dove out and did the tuck and roll. So they're kind of all outside and there's dead bodies laying everywhere. And Cream, they, Joe's standing there. Trying to help. No, none of them got hit.
Starting point is 00:57:14 So Cream comes crawling out of his car. He pulls out his gun. They're like, Joe, watch out. Cream starts shooting. Joe starts shooting. Both of them basically kill each other. Cream gets off full of holes and Joe takes a few. And they're like, oh, man, what are we going to do?
Starting point is 00:57:35 You can hear the police were coming. Because you can hear all the sirens. And they're like, come on, man, we got to go. We got to go. So everyone, they just jump in their car and they all take off. They come back later after everything is all good. No, they ended up taking Joe's body with them because they go to his tribe out on the Res and they're doing the traditional Mikisuki burial.
Starting point is 00:58:08 I don't know. I mean, each tribe is different with their tribal tradition, with their burial traditions. So, I don't know. You guys are as guess as good as mine.
Starting point is 00:58:22 Navajos don't do it that way, but there is natives that do, that burn the bodies and everything. So then they're kind of like, well, what are we going to do? Well, I mean, they all go back to the house.
Starting point is 00:58:36 The house is ram-sacked. Crackheads and all, ladder back in there. The Haitian family's gone. It's like, I don't know, maybe days must have went by because they, like, graffitied up that whole inside quick and, uh, wrecked the, wreck the whole house. So they're all kind of there and they're like, well, all right, man, well, I'll see you guys. And then everyone kind of just leaves.
Starting point is 00:59:02 So, um, I love this scene, though, because, Because there's a camera slowly going through the house and there's the score in the background was cool. And then it turns out that Dorsey comes walking in the house and he's looking at all the, Joe had a lot of files on all of them. And he had pictures of his group when he was in Vietnam. So he starts looking around. Then he looks up and then here comes Rubin.
Starting point is 00:59:39 here comes Nikki and Carlos, here comes JL, all everybody came back. And they're kind of just sitting in that room. All right, well, if we're all here, we got to do this together. And Carlos is telling me, goes, this is all Nestor's doing. Because a cream was a part of that. So we got to, um, we got to take them out. We got to take him out to bring everything out. They're basically avenge Joe.
Starting point is 01:00:07 So, yeah. that's when they're like all right and that's when that's when they one of them finds a picture and they're looking at it and it says band of the hand because it's Joe and all his buddies from Vietnam and they're all holding their hands up so
Starting point is 01:00:21 they're going by what Joe was teaching them like to be together to be a unit a unit to be the fingers of a hand a band I liked when he said all that that made a lot of sense yeah so they're like
Starting point is 01:00:37 all right, so they're slowly figuring out what they're doing. They start scouting out. They find out to where Nestor's drug barn or whatever that was. His whole drug operation out on the Everglades somewhere. And that was the main thing just to find out where it was. This is the scene when they go in to that hardware store and start buying all the stuff, the go for gas and everything. All that whole scene that Brian was talking about earlier.
Starting point is 01:01:14 But yeah, man, I know I won't do it. And I never had any interest in doing that. The only thing is I blew up were fireworks. But J.L, man, he was the, the pyro. They knew how to make bombs. So that was the kind of the main reason they got a lot of that stuff. So they all load up They figure out what they're gonna do
Starting point is 01:01:38 They they figure out a plan All right this is how we're gonna do it And All right We gotta do it So the night comes Oh they were Nestor was waiting for I think
Starting point is 01:01:50 Some Colombians to come in Because they were supposed to do a big drug deal All right once Nikki saw that Because she did some surveillance things And that's what made me laugh about this These little teenagers know how to do surveillance and oh yeah they were taught out
Starting point is 01:02:08 to shoot machine guns and all that so I can let that slide but she wasn't there for all this training she acted like she was just jumped right in and she knew what she was doing because I mean jumping forward to the end she was running around with a machine gun and shotgun and everything at the end
Starting point is 01:02:26 I was like hey wait a minute but yeah she's supposed to be only like 16 17 yeah 17 maybe I mean I don't know how much time went by, but she was 16 when, when it all started, because that's when Nestor asked her
Starting point is 01:02:42 before I told her, go upstairs and take your clothes off. Yeah. I was like, God damn. Oh, you're 16? Oh, go upstairs, man. It's like, wow.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Holy shit. So she runs back to the clubhouse. They weren't in that house anymore because the house was done. They looked like they were hiding somewhere else. But she,
Starting point is 01:03:04 She goes, yeah, the Columbia, excuse me, the Colombians are here. So, uh, they are all right, man, it's, it's now or never. So let's go. So they geared up. I mean, they even, um, what's his name? Uh, JL. He was telling him. He was, because like, he was making bombs, I guess.
Starting point is 01:03:23 And they, are you ready? He's like, no, man, not ready yet. And he goes, we got to go right now. So like, oh, fuck. So they all go tearing off after, um, ever. Because they did follow, follow. follow the guys earlier and they
Starting point is 01:03:37 followed because I guess they went to some front where they were exchanging the drugs or no they were getting was it ether they were getting I think so yeah because I don't know what it does my knowledge from drugs is movies
Starting point is 01:03:56 but whatever the ether does for this big drug organization I think I think they use it to the drugs yeah I don't know all my hands up I don't know yeah I know I saw that in a movie the knowledge I know no one was making it well I think it was a who was it first bad boys they were running around in an ice cream truck full of ether or something yeah did you like that last one I liked most of it there's a
Starting point is 01:04:33 it's been out long enough real quick I just say I didn't like the the resolution with him and the dude that was his son yeah like he he just he fucking murdered your captain who was like there for you guys for I don't know how many years it's just I don't know I mean I love the first one out of the three um second part was cool I like that one And the third one, bad boys for life. I don't know. I mean, it was what it was. I'm sure we'll get to it at some point.
Starting point is 01:05:14 Yeah. But anyway, so they all load up and they all go taking off over to where Nestor has this big drug operation going on. Out in the middle of nowhere, I assume somewhere close to the Everglades. because they had like a double fence around it and they had dogs patrolling in between the fences, guys on the roofs, machine guns, guys walking around out in the little wooded area. So they kind of, I mean, for having that much security, oh, no, that's right. Let me go back really quick.
Starting point is 01:05:54 They had a dog with them. At this point when they all loaded up with the dog, we didn't know what the dog was for. So when they got there, like I said, there was some Doverman pinchers walking in between the fences. So they went and they cut a hole in the fence and then they go, all right, man. The other dogs were coming. And they said, are you sure this dog's in heat? And they were like, yeah. So when the Dovermans were coming, they let go of the female dog that they had.
Starting point is 01:06:21 And all those Doverman, I think it was like about five of them went, shoo. I hope that dog got away. Yeah, he was about to have a bad night. And there's one of them But he goes boss He goes man I'm glad those dogs are horny So
Starting point is 01:06:38 They go in They had their whole operation planned out on This is where you're gonna be This is what I'm doing in this So I mean they went in there With a plan They didn't just show up
Starting point is 01:06:48 And just start shooting So LJ gets in He makes it over to the building And he starts dumping That gopher gas Into the filtration system. While that was happening, Nestor was
Starting point is 01:07:03 downstairs with the Colombians and he was showing him the layout and how much product they could make and everything's going to be all good. And he was telling him that the little filtration in the air system blows out everything and there's no smell.
Starting point is 01:07:19 So they'd be all right. But shit, I mean, DEA, whoever showed up, man, of course they're going to know something's going on there. Got a hundred guys outside with guns walking around. So while they're doing that, they're all setting up. Carlos climbed up this big tower that was, I don't know where it was.
Starting point is 01:07:39 And he was the sniper of the group. Because earlier when they were doing the training, Joe was kind of teaching him how to do it. I mean, he taught all these guys how to do it in a matter of days. So, I mean, they were just fast learners. But all right. I don't know what it takes to be a real. really good shooter, but I'm sure it takes more than a couple days. So, okay, so everyone's setting up.
Starting point is 01:08:07 They're all getting ready to go in. Nikki's kind of hanging behind outside the fence. I assume just waiting. So one of Nestor's guys comes walking out, and he sees L.J. dumping that gopher gas into the thing. So he kind of walks over there. He's getting ready to shoot him. Carlos sees him.
Starting point is 01:08:28 This is what starts it off. and then everyone just ah everyone just starts shooting in every direction uh moss and what's is nuts uh rubin and dorsey they all just they just all start open fire and pretty much
Starting point is 01:08:44 at whoever they can see so right when that I love this part because when they started shooting the light the floodlights came on and just lit up the whole place and the look on their face is like oh fuck what do we do and they just started shooting and then um What was the guy's name?
Starting point is 01:09:01 The dude that's been on all the movies. I can't remember his name in this. I said it earlier, but I forgot it one. Anyway, it was that Carlos guy? Yeah, the Dan. A Quinn. Yeah, him. So he, no, no, no, Carlos was Carlos, the kid.
Starting point is 01:09:25 It was the other dude. He was in King of New York. All that. What the hell was his name? I'm not going to be able to sleep until I remember. He was in King. He was the bartender in Pulp Fiction, and he was in deep cover as well. Got a mole on his face.
Starting point is 01:09:50 God damn, I what's his name? See, sorry, everyone. I mean, I guess I should have had this all. Well, Tito. Paul. called him so they're running around trying to get everything
Starting point is 01:10:04 going and just shooting in every direction this there's like a it looked like a smoke stack or something kind of like a little tower type of thing coming out of the top of the roof of the building the walls fall down from that and then here's Tito with a fucking Gatlin gun and just
Starting point is 01:10:22 just starts firing at Mars and Carlos and Dorsey and all they all they all go go running and dive behind a limo. I don't know what size of bullets fit in those things, but man, they,
Starting point is 01:10:35 he shredded up that, um, that car that they were hiding behind. And, uh, they kept, they kept doing it. They were,
Starting point is 01:10:44 they'd shoot when he was trying to reload. They'd come jumping out, try shooting again. And Tito would just start lighting them up. Uh, Carlos was, he was picking them all. He was just picking fools off.
Starting point is 01:10:54 Uh, he got a good shot. He took out Tito, uh, when he was in that, uh, The little Gatling gun thing. So he kind of,
Starting point is 01:11:01 he went down. So the guys came running out and we're trying to shoot again. But some other dude came running up, jump behind that gun. And you just started opening fire. L.J. crawled up onto the roof. He had a little bomb he made. He threw that in there, blew that up, kill that dude.
Starting point is 01:11:20 And everyone was just firing in all directions. Nestor comes out and makes it out. um so they and then the um LJ he comes running and jumps off the roof and then I assume I don't know if he broke his ankle or just twisted it but he's like ah so everyone kind of runs over to grab him uh they rescue LJ and all of a sudden as they kind of got away
Starting point is 01:11:46 um he had set up some bombs in there um moss he went up and blew a hole in one of the doors and then he threw bombs in there as well. So with the, those bombs, other than the ones that LJ set up, the whole place just blew up. I don't know if everyone got out that was in the basement, but I mean, the whole place blew up. So they were all taken off. We go to Nikki. She's out patrolling still trying to keep it.
Starting point is 01:12:16 And then we see Nestor come walking around. He's got a gun, but it's out of bullets. So he just kind of sets it down. He's looking at Nikki and walks up to her. goes hey come on give me the gun and he walks up to a real slow and grabs it she's holding a shotgun right when he grabs a barrel she pumps one and pumps a couple into him yeah see this is where I would have liked the black magic to come in like she wouldn't be able to like hurt him or something like she can't bring herself to he should have did something I mean yeah that whole black
Starting point is 01:12:50 magic thing led to nothing so yeah I would have just liked if he'd put some kind of spell on her to where she can't bring herself to hurt him and it would have it would have been like Carlos or somebody else that had to kill him yeah i mean i was all right that she was the one that killed him because he basically raped her uh so and had her doing who knows what else because before before all this happened uh nestor told uh tito he goes yeah go find that bitch and then just do what you got to do with her and then kill you her. So they were, they were gonna rape and kill her. So I was all right that she was the one that killed him. So Nestor's dead. The whole blaze is blown up. There's bodies laying everywhere. I'm
Starting point is 01:13:37 sure some people got away. But there's a big huge fire out because they're out in the middle of nowhere and it's all flat. So I'm sure they see all the flames and the smoke. So they kind of jump in their little Jeep and go hauling ass down the road. As they're driving down the road, they come across a little roadblock with the police and they kind of just roll up. I mean, again, these are all teenagers and they're like, hey, what's going on, officer? And he kind of just looks in, shines a light in everyone's face and they're all smiling. And you're not going to think anything other than a bunch of kids cruising around. We saw the fire back there.
Starting point is 01:14:17 What's going on? I don't know. You probably know more than I do. And they go, all right. And he goes, they just take it easy on the, on the beer tonight, kids. Yeah, I like how they changed up their, their voices. Yeah, all of them did. Even, is everything all right, officer?
Starting point is 01:14:35 What do what you got to do to get away? Oh, yeah. So they're like, all right, you guys get out of here. So they're like, all right, good night, see ya. And they all take off. And then that's, that's a movie. So for your first watch, what did you think of this one? I loved it.
Starting point is 01:14:51 I loved all the characters. I thought there was some good action. I just kind of like these stories where you take, you know, these individual like people, kids, whatever, that don't have anything to do with each other. I don't want nothing to do with each other. And they got to end up working together. And yeah, like I said earlier,
Starting point is 01:15:14 I did have a problem with Stephen Lang as Joe, because I know Stephen Lang and I think they could. to put somebody else in that role. Nestor played by what was it, James Remar? Yeah, really loved. I love him as a villain. I think he plays that villain role
Starting point is 01:15:34 because, you know, of course, Albert Gans and many other roles he was in. Definitely loved him in it. And, of course, got a shout out, Larry Fishburn. Cream. Action Returns Hall of Famer. Oh, man. All right.
Starting point is 01:15:52 Let me read what the poster says. From the maker of, from the maker of Miami Vice, out of jail, trained as a team, they battle to clean up the streets of Miami is about to begin. Did they try to clean up the streets of Miami? Maybe that block that they would clean up the block in the park. Yeah, the neighborhood. That was about it. But I guess it's a start.
Starting point is 01:16:19 I was kind of hoping, I mean, when I first saw the. man I was like man that was hell of good I was kind of thinking there could have been a part two maybe they just became this little special unit force and just were taking out more drug dealers I mean I would like to have known what happened to them after this what did they do that they just go their separate directions or did they stay together and bring down crime I don't know but as far as a one and done film I mean it's cool but I would like to have known What happened to them. I mean, I don't know if there was any
Starting point is 01:16:58 Um, ideas that they were going to do a sequel, but I don't know. But for overall, I mean, I thought this was a really good film for me going in and seeing it for the very first time, not knowing, uh, what it was about or what I was expected. I don't even remember much, uh, of a trailer. Um, when this came out. Because I just, my cousin, like, hey, man, let's go see this movie. Okay, cool.
Starting point is 01:17:24 all I knew was whoever made Miami Vice made it so we went and saw it and I was fucking I was like man that was hell of good so I mean I love this film I don't even know I saw it a few times in the theater and then once it did the HBO's and all that and VHS and all that so I'm fine I'm glad that it that it came out on Blu-ray because this film was awesome as far as streaming I don't know I know you can rent it
Starting point is 01:17:48 but I don't know but of those of you that have seen it you know but if you have not seen this, it's definitely worth the rental. From what I see here, it's only $2.99 on Prime. I got, I got, I got some trivia here.
Starting point is 01:18:04 Critics have described the film as a poor 1970s vigilante movie produced a decade too late. At the 1986 Stinkers, bad movie awards, the film was nominated for Worst Picture, but lost to Howard the Duck.
Starting point is 01:18:21 We were just, talking about Howard the Duck on our last Blue Ray update. All right, everyone. I love Howard the Duck. I don't care what anybody says. I love the comic books. I love the character. Did George Lucas just kill it for everyone?
Starting point is 01:18:37 Okay. But I took that movie for what it was. I mean, again, I always say this. Look at the year when it came out. Obviously, it was 1986, so
Starting point is 01:18:51 I don't know what to tell you guys. You saw the Howard D. Duck, didn't you? Yeah, I owned it. Steelbook? I got it on. No, no. I did. There is one out.
Starting point is 01:19:07 I got it. Okay. I saw it to FYE exclusive. I was like, damn you. So I had to get it. Plus, I got the regular go around. A VHS somewhere in one of these boxes.
Starting point is 01:19:21 But that's another show, everybody. Howard the Duck, if you guys haven't seen it. But band of the hand, it's an amazing film. I love it. I never get sick of it. And I'm sure we already talked about this earlier, but you heard it from one of us talking about this? Yeah, I think it was, I think you might have talked about it on East Society. I think it was, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:19:49 I felt like it was an episode of you and Mike. we're talking about it or something. One of one of those many shows. I don't know. I don't remember half the shit that I say on all these shows. All right, everyone. That's Band of the Hand.
Starting point is 01:20:05 Again, if you haven't seen it, it's definitely worth your watch. I mean, it is kind of a slow burn, but if you're familiar with Miami Vice and all that, it has that vibe. Or like it's like the vibe of the Michael Man movies. I guess it's slow, but I mean, it's still a good film, though, everybody in it. Not really sure on much of what actors continue to do more, well, other than Lauren Holly and Leon.
Starting point is 01:20:41 We've seen him in a bunch of things. Michael Carmon died. He was only 30 years old. Yeah, Stephen Lang's still going. He's got that Don't Breathe 2. I need to watch that first one again. I mean, I don't even remember.
Starting point is 01:20:59 He didn't die. Well, obviously he didn't. If he's coming back for the second one. No, they said he lived at the end. I don't even remember that. I need to watch it again. It was like the main chick saw at the airport on TV
Starting point is 01:21:13 and the news that he was assaulted or something. Danny Quinn, the guy that played Carlos. I don't know what he's doing. The last thing he did was in 2014, so lives in Italy. Leon, he pops up in things here and there. L.J., I know he's a director now, and looks like he's still out there doing it.
Starting point is 01:21:46 Al Shannon, the guy that played Dorsey, this is the only thing I've seen him in. I guess he was Last thing he did was in 2010 We already know where Lawrence Fishburn's at He's still going strong on blackish and Perry White and DC films
Starting point is 01:22:07 James Remar Is he going to be in the new Dexter I would think so He's He's still He's something Oh he's gonna be in black lightning
Starting point is 01:22:20 The TV series or he is and no it hasn't even come out yet oh no wait black lightning has been out already had it says 2018 i haven't watched it so i don't know yeah um uh yeah that's black black lightning i assume he's still doing that because it says 2021 um i don't see anything for texture or is it still in the talking face is still making it they're filming. Well, then he has to be in it. I mean, if you guys are familiar with the Dexter show,
Starting point is 01:22:58 I mean, he was Dexter's dad. All right, really quick. We've talked about him, how he just plays bad guys and a lot of things. It goes back and forth. Sometimes he's good. Sometimes he's bad, but we all prefer him as a bad dude.
Starting point is 01:23:14 When I first started watching Dexter, I didn't know he was in it. I was kind of like, I like bad to James Reamore. But as the series went on, I really liked what he did. I liked his code. Like, if you have to kill people, kill people that deserve it.
Starting point is 01:23:32 Don't just kill random people. So I kind of liked all that. Yeah, I think Stephen Lang and Lawrence Fishburn and James Verm are the only ones that are kind of really doing it. Lauren Holly, she was big back in the day. And I don't know what happened to her. was she in no she wasn't in that last uh
Starting point is 01:23:54 dumb and dumber movie um we got something coming out called the jugular she's in tiny pretty things TV series I don't know what that is I guess she's still out there
Starting point is 01:24:10 but yeah I'm looking I don't know what any of these movies or shows are I don't either but all right everyone Brian, just let everyone know what we're doing next.
Starting point is 01:24:24 The next, don't usually do this, but I give everybody the next three episodes will be nothing but mortal combat. It's got to start with that 1995 one. And then the annihilation one. But hopefully, hopefully fingers crossed the 2021 new version, the rebrand. boot will hopefully be the best one out of the series. Did you see that other one
Starting point is 01:24:58 with black dynamite Michael Jack White? Yeah, it was it, Mortal Kombat Legacy. It's all right. I have it. I haven't watched it. I bought that one one that's got the first
Starting point is 01:25:17 the original two and that one in it. so and then Best Buy got me with the Steelbook so I had to get that Did you get it? Yeah They got me Damn you
Starting point is 01:25:30 So but I was going to try to reach out to This guy, you know He was in the second one He is pretty busy I don't know if I Can get a response But I'm gonna shoot for it and see
Starting point is 01:25:44 I can get a couple words from him On what he remembered about filming Mortal Kombat, too. I won't tell you who it is, because until I know exactly if I can talk to him, everyone, so just keep your fingers crossed. But, all right, everyone.
Starting point is 01:26:04 That's next three. Prepare for Combat. And I guess can't add those songs. Yeah, we ain't doing that. No, not anymore. But everyone, Thank you so much for listening. Stream Fiends is coming up within the next couple of days,
Starting point is 01:26:23 and we're doing Russell, not Russell, um, Walter here, Walter Hills, uh, the long riders, um, James Remar is also in that.
Starting point is 01:26:32 No Lawrence Fishburn, but, um, yeah, I got a lot to say about James Remar's character. It did that one, but, um,
Starting point is 01:26:42 yeah, so get ready for that one and everything else. East society, we got more stuff. Um, just, mainly thing we've been pumping out is on anchor but we do have a regular episode coming
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Starting point is 01:27:09 until then party on and over at the horror returns we're going to check out what is it Jacobs Wai wife, starring Barbara Crampton, new vampire movie, and because oh no, wait,
Starting point is 01:27:27 I'm getting my weeks. Yeah, we are doing that one. And we're also doing night 2013's Byzantium, which is also a vampire movie. And week after that, we got werewolf movies coming with bloodthirsty and because Lance has never
Starting point is 01:27:43 seen it, dog soldiers. So until then, everybody stays safe.

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