The Horror Returns - The Action Returns - Ep. #44: Renegades (1989)

Episode Date: October 1, 2021

This episode Brian and Nez team up with a Philadelphia detective and a Lakota warrior to help them take down a jewel thief and stole a sacred Sioux artifact in 1989's RENEGADES.   Join The Action Returns Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/841619946357776   Follow The Action Returns on IG and Twitter: Instagram: @theactionreturns Twitter: @action_returns    Join The Horror Returns Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns   Join the THR Presents: Stream Fiends Facebook Group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/3860579827402429 Follow THR Stream Fiends on IG: @thrstreamfiends

Baby, I need some passion tonight. All right, everybody, we are back again from another hiatus. This is the action returns. I'm your host, Brian, with me as always. It's my brother Ness. What's up, man? My fault again, everyone. Every time we go on these long hiatuses, I'm taking the blame.

I'll take part of the blame. I needed a mental break. so yeah yeah I'm just trying to get situated with some stuff over here in my house yeah but we're back we're back with uh is it renegades 1989 yep my old man used to always say you gotta trust somebody sometime they're wanted by every cop in town first sign of trouble I'll break your neck buster they've broken every law trust me they've turned the city upside down And they're the good guys.

Keeper Sutherland. Luke Diamond Phillips. For all, having a good time. How about you? Renegates, Reddit R. Starts Friday, June 2nd at theaters everywhere. What do you got for synopsis? I don't have anything.

Okay, let's see. You got to go with the Googles first. Well, no-nonsense Philadelphia cop, Buster McHenry is going undercover to investigate a gang headed by the ruthless Marino. he's forced to take part in a robbery that ends up with the theft of a sacred sue artifact and the death of several onlookers after the incident Hank Storm whose brother was killed during the robbery teams up with Buster to

recover the artifact to avenge his brother's death it's kind of lengthy there let's see if I can pull up I and DB here come on internet internet's being there we go let's see an undercover cop forms an alliance with a native american to help him hunt down the criminal who stole at ancient lakota did i say that right yeah tribal lance i guess there's more but i guess that's straight to the point right there this stars heifer sutherland lou diamond phillips jamie gerts robert

Nipper, Bill Smitra, Clark Johnson, Peter McNeil, Floyd, Red Crow, Westerman, click on that one, Joseph Griffin and others, directed by Jack Shoulder, written by David Rich. Nez, when was the first time you watched Renegades? I saw this when it came out. just because it was dealing with Native Americans. And when you think of Native Americans, you think of Lou Diamond Phillips.

So, yeah, he had already portrayed Chavez in Young Guns. I think this was the movie they did after that because that was on that Young Guns was in 88. I think Young Guns too was a 90, I believe.

But, um, also the stars the great Gary Farmer for those of you that watch reservation dogs he was a Lord Dan and uncle he was trying to get rid of his old weed brownie brownie yeah he was badass in this

I love Gary Farmer everything that he pops up in he's awesome he was even awesome in Demon Night that that tales from the Crip movie yeah the first one he stopped a tornado

man he did woke up naked good for you Gary Farmer because I would not do that I got too much shame to be standing there

buck naked holding an axe neither his life or his clothes none of you guys know we're talking about watch reservation dogs anyway

Green for the second season, right? Yes, it is. Amazing series. I can't wait. But this movie was awesome. Yeah, the only reason I went to see it, I love Keeper Sutherland. I love Lou Diamond Phillips. Jamie Gertz is always a plus.

I love her period star for you lost boys fans and done a bunch of other things. But this movie, I was like, okay, we got, at first, I would have started regardless, even if it wasn't dealing with Native Americans. So I was like, all right, cool. I mean, I'll check it out. And then me and my friend went and seen it. And he hated it. He was like, what the fuck was going on?

Why are they going to disrespect Native Americans? I don't know. When he meant disrespecting Native Americans by using Lou Diamond Phillips, who's not native. I think he's trying to claim now, but he's not everyone. So I think he's Filipino and something else. I can't remember or what it was exactly. But he's a good actor. I mean,

I'm not taking any of his work away. Were all those movies good? No. But this was one of the good ones. I was shocked on how good this movie it was. And I have not seen this in a really, really long time. I think the last time I had watched this one is when it came out on DVD.

And that was a while ago. I remember it was like one of the first few DVDs I had owned after I got my first player. But I liked this movie. I thought it was what it was. The Native American representation in this film, it was good. Also, it was really awesome. I didn't know Gary Farmer was in it. And I also didn't know the great Floyd Red Crow Westernman, rest in peace.

Reading here, Lou Diamond Phillips spent time with him. in his tribe to prepare for his character. Yeah, I mean, when Lou Diamond does these things, he just doesn't just take the role and act like he doesn't know. He does, especially when you're dealing with Floyd, Red Crow. He's an awesome actor. I loved everything he's done. I think one of the biggest things he has done was he goes and dances with wolves.

But his filmography, he's been all over. TV, movies, everything. He's even a musician. He had his own band at some point. We did some, during my musical career, we did shows. We opened up for him and everything. But he was a really good guy. My connection with him is, I knew his daughter in the Bay Area.

And one of my favorite memories that I have of him is we were at a, a native function at our local Native American community center. My buddy and I were sitting out outside in the courtyard with the drum, and we were drumming and singing, and he came out and said, hey, hey, brothers, if it's cool if I join you, we're like, yeah. So he sat down and he sang and did some drumming with us. So I have that in my mind and in my heart, and I can remember. I met him a few times, but that was probably,

like one of my favorite memories of him sitting there drumming with us. There was just three of us. Me, my buddy Joe and Floyd was sitting right there. We did the AIM song. So I thought that was awesome. That was my good memory of him. Again, Floyd, rest in peace, brother. We love you and we miss you.

But it was cool. I liked what they did with that. Well, it wasn't stereotypical bullshit that we see when they deal with natives in Hollywood and everything. they did use the the Lakota language in this in the beginning which I thought was awesome and they didn't um

Indian up of the three characters um sometimes they they do that with these movies they try to add everything they can leather and fringe and

the the all the names of jewelry. Sometimes they go overboard in these type of things. So I'm glad that Floyd probably had a lot of saying.

Like, look, we're not going to do that. This is how we are. This is what we're going to do. Because when you see them, they're not like, oh, you already know they're native. So they didn't have to put all kinds of crazy shit on them throughout the whole film. But I thought it was a good movie.

I mean, Kiefer Sutherland. he's badass and just about everything he does. While all his movies is good? No, but this was a good one. I really enjoyed this. I love the story and what was happening.

And yeah, I did love it a lot just because of the whole Native American angle in this film. But I loved it. I thought it was good. It had its comedy. It had its action and it had its drama and everything. again they didn't really have the derogatory lines being towards natives but they didn't like shove it down your throats like some movies do

but I thought it was good and I thought that Lou Diamond he played Hank Storm I'm sure dealing with Floyd and Gary Farmer he respected them and I'm sure he had to ask him all right this this is what I'm playing this is what we're doing if you don't like what I'm doing, will you please say something? So that's what I loved about this.

I'm glad they didn't force a lot of the derogatory terms down our throat with this one. But there is a lot of movies out there where they do, but this one they did. But overall, I thought this was an awesome film. When was the first time you've seen this? First time was for this review.

I've never heard of it. I was kind of, you know, making our schedule. I was kind of searching and I came across this. And I was like, what's this? And I was like, Lou Diamond Phillips, Keith from Sutherland, okay, let's do it. And first time watching it, I was pleasantly surprised. I really enjoyed it.

It had that kind of that buddy cop aspect to it, even though Lou Diamond is not a cop. And it had some humor to it. the thing that I really liked is I wasn't really sure watching the movie if Kiefer Sutherland's character was a dirty cop or not because they kind of really let you kind of think about it throughout the movie. And I like that whole aspect. And I did have a problem with the ending. The Keeper Sutherland using the lance, the flaming lance to kill the bad guy. I was just kind of like, uh, well, he kind of had to.

Um, we'll get to that in a minute. Yeah, but I don't, I mean, I guess I just, Lou Diamond was, was a badass throughout the movie. And I just kind of felt like that should have been his moment. Because he, he has, he had some deaths to avenge. And, but I mean, I guess, uh, Jeremy Gertz, it's, it's good seeing her, you know, she was looking really good. The main, I guess the main villain, Marino, he was all right.

There really wasn't much to him. He was just kind of a, I guess, a common villain you would have in this movie, a little mobster. So I didn't really have a problem with that. But overall, I thought the action was pretty good when there was some, the humor was there and yeah good first time watch yeah the marano character he didn't sell it to me he just i don't know i didn't buy him as a mobster yeah it seemed like he was just phoning it in he just like he had to look on his face like yeah i didn't care there was a there was a guy in this i can

i don't remember his name but they they show him in the beginning uh when we first when we were first introduced to Marino. I believe he's an Italian gentleman. I'd seen him in some other movies. And I think he would have sold it more as being the Marino character. Oh, I'm thinking of Joseph Griffin. He played a Matt in this film. He was only in it for like a second.

But I think if he would have been the bad guy, I would have bought him more as the Italian. boss or whatever. Yeah. It seemed like the guys around him were more Italian than him. So just watching it, I was like, why couldn't you just make them fucking diamond thieves or something? Yeah.

I mean, late 80s, when you think of Italians, you think of bad mobster type of guys. So, but, the movie was it was basically

um uh keever sutherland he is a cop and uh he was he's working under cover he was a Philadelphia police in the Philadelphia Police Department

he is just he goes under cover and um he's working with Moreno Bobby Moreno they were going to rob this is a jewelry store jewelry diamond dealer or whatever and get out with um i think it was like six million

dollars worth of diamonds uh that's we were introduced to uh kever sutherland's character detective buster mchenry in the beginning he kind of he's hanging out in the bar talking with his girl and and then he's looking out the window we see that the police the local uh cops pull over a car of um asian gentlemen and and you go sideways because those guys, I don't even know why they were in it, but all right, the cops are basically tell, all right, you guys get out and we're going to search you, put your hands on the hood. One of them has a gun, and when he comes out, he ends up shooting, shooting at the cops.

one of the Asian gentlemen takes one of the cops hostages and has a gun to his head and all within the matter of minutes like the whole police force showed up I was like man that was some good response time all within the matter of two maybe three minutes

the whole police force showed up to get these guys keeper's looking out the window watching it all he kind of goes out there and grabs a beer because all the cops are surrounding them. The Asian guys got one of the cops hostage has a gun to his head telling him. Look, if you're not going to put your guns out, we're going to kill him. So the main lieutenant or whatever, he's like, all right, all right. And he puts his gun down and keeper comes staggering out of the bar holding a bottle of beer.

And he's like, oh, I'm just trying to find my car. What's going on out here? He's playing the drunk role just so he can get closer to the cop being held hostage. And I'm just looking for my car. He walks away, what's going on? And he like clocks that one guy, gets the gun or actually grabs the Asian gentleman and the gun and then lets a cop go and puts it to his head. He's all right, man, tell you boys you put the guns down, put it down. I think there's like four other dudes.

Asian guys with guns He's telling them Put their guns down Put your guns down And then all of a sudden It just turns into a shootout Uh Just amongst the

The Asian guys and Kiefer And he just blasts all of them And then that's when they're like Ah And then the cops all come running in Yeah I didn't take some all down I didn't get this whole opening

Yeah Because first I felt like him coming out there Cause a few people to die that probably didn't need to happen. And then like you said, the whole police force is out there. And it seems like nobody knows who he is. Yeah.

Well, I just figured that he didn't work for that department. So, I mean, I'm sure. But doesn't the lieutenant show up at the same apartment or department? I don't think he knew him because another dude came that knew him. because he McCannery he gets arrested because they grab him

slam him against the car and they were just searching for his ID and I love this part he turns around and like well where he goes where's your badge or no he's like

well where's your ID and he goes oh right here and he just open hand slaps the dude just just basically just bit slabs him

and then that lieutenant just clocks him and knocks him and knocks him out McHenry and he wakes up in the in the drunk tank I guess so they let him out and then he goes into another office. McHenry's one of his other guys and I guess in his division or whatever show up and

they're like come on man what are you doing and he goes just just apologize to lieutenant and we'll let you go and basically told him no fuck you or whatever so that guy. I was like, ah, that lieutenant's just mad. Get him out of here. So we, that's when we find out that he is, is a cop. I guess it was only a way to introduce him because that whole scene

with the Asian guys was kind of pointless, but yeah, I don't know. People died for no reason. Yeah. And after that, this is when we're introduced to Hank Storm, uh, Red,

Red Crow Storm. That was a that's another thing I like about Floyd. His middle name Red Crow. And not in every film, he always tries to work that in, which is cool. I'm glad that they let him do that. He was a Red Crow Storm. He was Hank's dad and Gary Farmer is George Storm and it's Hank's brother. Gary Farmer was an awesome actor.

I love him every time he's in things. He didn't do much in this one. He barely had any. lines. He was just there. We were introduced to them. Actually, this scene was the very first thing before we introduced to Kiever's character. We see Hank Lou Diamond. He's getting ready.

They go outside. Red Crow standing out there talking with some other elders and they're handing over the lance. There was something that they said at the beginning. of the movie. I guess I should have had that pulled up because it was describing what the

the lance was. Yeah, I guess it was like a big little long paragraph. I guess I should have really had that thing pulled up for you guys. Let me see if I could find it really quick. So yeah, when they're talking,

they're handing over the lance to, there's three other elders and okay, here it is. Um, no one knows who first used the sacred lance of the Lakota Indians. Legend has it that the lance could kill three buffalo with one throw. From generation to generation, the lance has been passed down. It will remain with the tribe as long as there are Lakota.

All right. So this was a sacred, uh, artifact that they had. It was, um, like a, uh, not really a spear, but it had, uh, an arrowhead, had some feathers on it. It was a sacred lens. That's just a little bit that I knew of it. I'm sure someone can explain it more. But what they were doing is that, well, at this point, we didn't really know what they were doing with it. They were taking it from the res and they were taking it to, I think they were taking it to like an art exhibit.

Yeah, it was at a museum, but I assume to Philadelphia. I don't know how far that was. There was a plane ride. I know that. So that's why those three were in the film. And they were taking it to a museum, to be put on display and everything. So the elders were like, okay, here, just go in peace, be safe and take care of this. So Floyd took it and like, all right, good.

They were all speaking Lakota. And there was no subtitles. So you speak Lakota, the Lakota language, you're. probably knew what they say I don't speak it I'm a different tribe I'm Navajo and I did not understand any of it so don't we all don't speak the same language there's many many different languages dealing with native people anyway so yeah we're going to use to them then we get the the McHenry stuff and then McHenry's he's doing he's doing a job so we know he's a cop and we know he's undercover but at this point we think he's a dirty cop because he ends up going to

Marino to some bar restaurant or whatever and then he starts talking to them and that's when they're telling them about this is what we're going to do we're going to go rob these jewelers and take six million dollars worth of diamonds and we're also introduced to Barbara Jamie Gertz's character and she is Moreno's squeeze or whatever or maybe just side chick is how it seemed they didn't really establish that no they just needed a pretty face and yeah because later later they need her to to find him and she doesn't seem like she knows anything so yeah so we uh with that they go to the they do the robbery uh it it kind of goes a little sideways and um uh they start uh then then guns start blazing um did the cops show up

Is that what did it all? Because again, the whole police force shows up. Yeah, I know Marino, he had shot the guy that basically was their, their inside guy who gave him the, all the, things they needed, like the combination and everything. And I think when they ran out, I think the cops were already on the way.

And for some reason, their getaway driver drove off. Yeah, because when they show up there, one of the guys is trying to go in but they wouldn't let that they wouldn't let them in the front door and I'm sure that's just how things go because once the guy that was talking to the lady through the glass they finally went all right so she kind of let him in and when they were dealing with the diamonds and everything the guy that went in there one of the one of the helpers that's when he pulls the gun out on the main dealer and they're telling them just all right this is a lot this is a lot this is a guy that went in there. we want to give it all up. The rest of the guys come rolling in with the typical ski masks pulled over and they're doing their heist. And they get into the, what's his name? Kiefer was the safe cracker.

I guess if you want to call it that. But it's weird because the guy gave him the combinations. And it's funny. And it's just a movie, and we know that. But you figured this safe would be not in the middle of the room, but maybe in its own little safe in the wall or something. Because it's like right there out in the open. And the guy that's their inside guy is so obvious with everything because Marino looks at him. And then the guy kind of nods towards his desk.

and on his desk is a piece of paper with the combination written on it. And I'm like, he's doing this. Like, well, I mean, I don't think anybody was looking, but it's not like he was hiding it or anything. It was just kind of strange. Yeah, so once they get the safe open and they know what they got, they find the diamonds and Kiefer's starting to pack it up, Marino just kind of goes off and pulls out his gun and just start,

shooting everyone. He shoots the main dealer guy they were dealing with in the head and then they all just kind of bone out. The thing that was fucked up about this thing is the dude that went in to help him or to have them open the door. He didn't have a mask on. So his face is all over. His face is they all see in his face. And I'm sure they got security cameras in there. So he's ass out. He can never do anything. But the main jewel guy is the only one that they kill and then they all get the hell out of there uh kefir kind of hymns up marino's asking like that this wasn't part of the plan what the hell are you doing uh marinos and his boys they start to get into his face like all right you better just know your role

so at this point we do realize that all right marino's the the asshole of the game trying to get out of there. They get to the door where their driveway or their getaway driver is in a van. But the cops, they did hit a sound alarm already. So the cops were on their way.

So when they get there, that's when the cops show up and the guy and the driver gets scared. Bo, he bones out. I felt like the second he heard the sirens, he was gone. Yeah. So Marino and McHenry and their gang, they all go

running out the back. They're still running towards the getaway car. The two flat foots that show up, they start shooting at them. And everyone gets in there. They got to the van and they all take off.

But McHenry and one of the other dudes is with him. Still didn't get away. He pulls out a gun. The cops blast him. One of McHenry's guys, he goes down. McHenry and Marino are just running down the streets.

I assume this is Philly, running down the streets of Philly, just shooting guns in the air. Oh, they got another guy with him, a black gentleman. All hell's breaking loose, and they're running out in the middle of the road. Cops coming in every direction. No one's got masks on anymore.

No one's trying to hide their guns. They end up jumping into a car and then taking off. Oh, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. They run into a building and they're trying to get away. And this is the building that the museum is going on. Because when they run in, we see Lou Diamond. We see the storms.

Hank, Red Crow, and George. They're all standing there in this Native American exhibit. Marino fires a shot in the air. And it's kind of just getting it. everyone to be scared. The other dudes running around looking for a way out. Marino kind of turns his attention over to the Lakota Lansett's in a display case and just catches his eye and he wants it, I guess. Yeah, he had this look on his face like it was like calling to him.

Like I need to have this right now. Yeah. So when he was grabbing it, he broke the glass. Lou tried to step up on him, but he ended up shooting, what's his name? George. George gets blasted and he goes down. So Lou is just kind of doing the face off. They all run out to the back right before they're about to get into the car.

We go back inside Floyd's telling Lou. or Hank is telling look, we need it, go get it. They all get into a car and then they end up taking off. McHenry is driving and then I love this because the cops come running in and just start shooting at them.

But no seatbelts, everyone. I'll remember where your seatbelt when you're in a high-speed chase from the police. So they go hauling ass down the street down the alley. Here comes Hank Storm, Lou Diamond Phillips,

in cowboy boots and running after them I was like, okay. Yes, you can run out and see them, but he's like running full stride chasing them. It's a busy time in Philly, I assume, because there's cars everywhere. And here McHenry is trying to just get away

and here comes Hank running down the street still, chasing these guys. I don't know, maybe some of you guys that wear cowboy boots. I've only wore them a few times and I was slipping and slide just walking in them. I can't imagine running down a busy street, jumping on top of cars and everything. I'd be scared of slipping and falling. But Blue Diamond, he's badass. He's a movie star.

But yeah, so they're still trying to get away from the cops. and they're just driving all over the street. They take it to the sidewalk and of course all kinds of things get hit. The food carts, the guys that are slinging their stuff out on the sidewalks. Good action. I mean, that's what I liked about this film. I mean, they didn't, it wasn't just a dramatic crime story. I mean, they did throw in the shootouts and all the action.

again I don't know how fast this car was going and how many blocks they went but Hank Storm is still like hot on their tail running the cops kind of blocked them off for a second but then Mick Henry is like fuck it and goes crashing through I think it was a bank or some kind of business office on the ground floor crashes through one window drives through the whole office and crashes out of the other side and then goes hauling on ass down the street. Cops still hot on their tail, as well as Hank Storm.

He's running after him. But all in the commotion, we see a guy, it looks like he got pulled. No, a guy that was in a red corvette stops and he's looking at the, what happened,

and Hank jumps into it. And then he goes, he steals the corvette and goes running after, or chasing after everyone. Cops are still chasing, I don't know if it was a limo or a black cap.

I don't know what it was, but they're chasing them. Hank is also hot on their tail. They end up getting on the train tracks and everything, and the cops are hauling as a big old use police chase. They end up getting to some kind of, I don't know, construction site or somewhere on the docks. I don't know where. But I did like this whole action scene because they were jumping and everything in this,

hauling ass and police cars crashing all over the place. They end up losing all the cops. And this is when Marino just kind of knocks out. No, no, no, no. He gets shot. Yeah, he shoots him from behind the back of the seat. Yeah, because McHenry's driving. And yeah, he just sticks the gun behind him and bosh and kind of gets him on his side.

and he's just laying there kind of basically bleeding to death, I guess. But maybe this is what I thought was kind of stupid. I didn't see. Maybe Marino had used the car phone to call his buddies that the getaway driver that was in a van that was supposed to pick him up, but then took off because the cop showed up. I didn't see him phone. you know, but for some reason he's there.

Yeah. I want to say maybe this was the meetup spot, but it felt like the guy just happened to show up where they was, which I'm so surprised this guy didn't get killed. Yeah, for taking off on him. Because he didn't even weigh. He just boned out as soon as he heard the cops. So Moreno and, uh,

the black gentleman and the getaway driver, they all take off. McHenry's laying there left for dead. Hank Storm shows up and picks him up and he's going to nurse him back to health. They find some run-down little hotel. I don't know where they are. I look like they were in the hood somewhere.

And now they get a room. And then he kind of, other than Hank Storm needs McHenry, to help him find the lance that Marino stole. So he does what he does. I mean, he would have been dead. Not really a full-on gut shot, and it is off to the side,

but there is a ton of blood all over the place. But I assume Hank Storm didn't turn him over to the police because he knew the lance back. So he nurses him back to hell. cleans him up. He calls his dad to tell, hey, I need you come to this hotel. The cops

are still trying to figure out who these guys were, what they stole and all that. And the police find out that McHenry was in with these dudes. Did his buddy know he was going

undercover and working with them? I think the only one was the captain or whatever. but I don't think anybody else knew and then there was this backstory of his dad being a dirty cop so I guess everybody just instantly was like yeah this guy is probably just like his dad

yeah that's right so that that's when there was all right yeah he's he was in on it with them to stole his diamonds and now he's fugitive number one that we got to catch as well as everyone else is involved in it.

But when Lou Diamond, he goes and gets his dad to come and try to help McHenry, nothing, I assume Hank Storm, Lou Diamond's character must have pulled the bullet out of McHenry because he just kind of bandzes him up and he's laying there knocked out. Red Crow shows up and does his little smudging with his, his his medicine basically doing some prayers and everything to hope that he can get out of everything so the next one he like how Hank asked if he's going to be okay and he's just like I don't know maybe um and what I liked about this scene is yes this this is this is these these are our our our native practices on what we do

we prayer and ceremony and everything. So it wasn't Hollywood. This was something that that was real. So yeah, so he was telling him and his dad, Hank's dad is telling

him that, look man, this is something we can't just, oh, fuck it, forget about it. We need that, Lance. This is us. This is our culture. It's been in our tribe for generations. So that's why he was kind of just telling that this is the importance of it. Hank already knew it. I think mainly this was for the audience

to know why because they really didn't go other than that little explanation in the beginning of the film and what the Lantle was. They really didn't go into it. So we see Marino. He's at his little ranch or whatever and they're trying to figure out what to do. McHenry finally comes around. He kind of wakes up. But there's the he knows. He knows. knows that everyone's still after them. So at this point, Hank and McHenry still don't know who each other are. Other than Hank needs McHenry just so they can find the lance and everything. So some of Marino's guys show up.

Typical bad Italian guys in suits, greased back hair with ponytails. I mean, when you see the guys are greasy hair and pointy tails, you know they're bad guys, especially if they're in suits. So they go busting into the room and they're trying to get them. But Hank and McHenry hightail it out the windows. What I liked is they actually go to, I think, a room over. And we see a white guy on top of a young black woman. I assume that she's a hooker and he's one of the Johns.

But they were just basically trying to hide so they can get out of there. But this whole time, McHenry lost a lot of blood. And there was no kind of transfusion and no anything. So he's still, his body is still weak. So what they end up doing is they end up going to, I assume this is another family member of the storm because they go to his house. because they know that they're not going to be looking there. So he goes there and this is when Hank explains to them what he wants

and that he needs to get their sacred artifact back. McHenry is still trying to figure out where Marino is. And he just, other than trying to bring the bad guy down, does want to clear his name because all the cops right now think that McHenry is dirty like his dad and everything. They go into the story about McHenry's dad later when he's talking to one of his buddies, his dad's ex-partner. That actually climbed up higher in the police department. So there was a lot of that, a lot of talking going on more. They were calling McHenry chief, but then he finally told him.

I'm not a chief. Stop calling me that. So, but I'm glad they really didn't go much further. Yeah. With the derogatory terms. So, yeah,

the rest of the movie, the rest of the movie is them trying to find the land and McHenry trying to bring Moreno to justice. And the back and forth of them, of Hank and, and, and, and,

um, McHenry, it's funny. I like what they were doing. but yeah some of the stuff they do doesn't really go nowhere like they need they need guns so they they try to go go to a drug dealer and act like they're going to buy drugs yeah and they wanted to buy some crack yeah I'm like okay this got to be a different way to get guns and then the whole um jamie gerts thing going to her I guess she owns a hair salon

And she clearly doesn't know nothing because it's almost like she doesn't know who she's dating or what he does. So it was funny that they're back and forth, but a lot of their, I guess their detective searching skills or whatever, just kind of, they were just kind of running around for like the middle portion of this movie. When they go dealing with the drug crack dealer or whatever he was, I know he was

I can't remember the actor's name he's Mexican I believe and tattooed he was in Breaking Bad that too I can't remember with that character's name yeah he was in

when we did King of New York that's right he was in that so when they were trying to deal with all that and Lou Diamond other than He's trying to, he doesn't really trust McHenry because they get into it a few times.

And I have this big old fight on top of, I don't know, I wasn't a building on top of the warehouse or something. Still, McHenry's still dealing with his wound on the side. That's why I didn't get why he had the strength to be running around. I got should be dead. Yeah, well, all the blood he lost, he should have been done. so they do finally figure out you know what you know what i think we should just go over to marino's place so they end up both of them end up charging into uh the restaurant where mchenry actually met up uh with marino earlier in the film okay quick questions

the guy that was like a fucking i don't know what he was a waiter or something was that the guy that drove the van the gateway van it looks like it yeah I think it wasn't so you didn't have one of your men drive the van you had one of your employees

at your restaurant you do what the boss says I don't know so but he knew where Marino was because they ended up taking him and taking him out the back and throwing them into the trunk of their car

saying look you need to do you need to help us find this fool so Marino's still hiding in his ranch somewhere and at this point we don't know what's going on but during the scene when when he's in at the ranch Marino's the ranch he's we find out that he's actually in cahoots

with McHenry's friend What the hell Is that who it was Finch? I think so yeah it is it was Finch and was he the captain or it says detective okay so i think he

maybe that's who he i don't know there was a whole i'm looking at the castle list there was a whole bunch of people there was detectives so yeah but i think he he was dealing with him because um he was bad and not uh make henry's uh father i mean i think mc henry's dad knew what was going on and he knew who was involved but he just didn't want to he didn't want to be on the take and I think that that's why they killed him so but

McHenry's whole deal was he was trying to bring down all the bad cops on what was going on and trying to clear his dad's his dad's good name so they they're still looking for Moreno and then they find out earlier like when when we see Jamie Gertz character. We find out that McHenry just assumes that, all right, let's get his girlfriend. She would know where he is. But I mean,

I don't know if it was his girlfriend, his girlfriend. I think it was just more she was scared and she was a part of that lifestyle and he's the boss. So let me just do what I have to do. But I think he was helping her with money to do whatever she does. Yeah. So they get her

to go. They go to her salon to try to get her to tell them where he where is where's marino but uh I assume somebody was following him or she called him or somebody called but marina some of

marino guys show up and there's a big shootout they just start shooting and gunning up the uh the beauty salon uh with all these bullets flying everywhere I'm surprised none of the patrons that were in there getting there got shot well one there's there's pretty full there. One of them did get

shot, but not like killed. She had a head full of rollers and she took a few bullets to those. She didn't get hit by anything. Just the rollers in her hair. Yeah, so they're still chasing them. They kind of chase them out of the back, but then the cops show up

and they grab McHenry. But then he's like, hey man, look, you don't want us, you want them. And then some bad guys come running around the corner. with the shotguns so the police go chasing them. So they're still trying to figure out where Marino is. Again, at this point in the film as well, Hank really doesn't trust McHenry.

So he kind of ditches them on the train. All three of them are, what's Jamie Gertz's name? Barbara. Barbara McHenry and Hank Storm get on the train. but then McHenry pushes Hank He goes on he falls onto the train And then the door's closed and it takes off So he thinks he loses him

I gotta get some more action in it Hank is trying to get off the train So what does he do? He climbs up to the top of the train And jumps on to Passing train so he can go back In cowboy boots Yeah in cowboy boots

still and tight boot cut jeans he jumps on to the next or the the adjacent train going back to the direction he came

so he can try to catch up with McHenry so again a lot of good action in this for just the sake of being in it so did it ever go into his background because I know

there was a scene where his dad said I never thought you would come home and I was wondering if they ever said where he was because this guy knows a lot of fighting moves and all kinds of shit.

I kind of got the idea he was ex-military but I'm not sure. That's just or who knows. Maybe he just left the res and did what he did and now he came back and he's a badass. so Hank is still walking around trying to find McHenry the bad guys

are still hot on the trail as well they're chasing each other through a mall and all this and McHenry has Barbara still because he still thinks that she knows exactly where Marino is what the oh

oh um uh uh uh uh uh he thinks he just loses

McHenry he thinks he loses him in this little shopping center or department store and he like slams his hand into some glass because he's mad

because he lost McHenry but when McHenry turns around and he's looking watching him and I can think this is when

he starts to feel sorry for him. So he kind of goes back because Hank is like standing over the glass with his hands bleeding and security shows up. And then McCammy just comes running up. I'm a cop and this and that. And then they kind of make up. All right. We were just chasing you for the last hour while you were trying to give you the slip up. So but now we're going to be friends and come on and let's go get the bad guy.

Why didn't Jamie Gers run? I don't know. I mean, I didn't write it. Yeah. He's basically keeping her hostage. Why didn't they run? But I don't know. But Finch shows up over at the storm residence,

and he's trying to talk to Red Crow and asking him, where are they? And have you seen him? And he's kind of telling him, well, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. But here comes from me. Reno and some of his bad guys and they come in. Basically,

you need to tell us where they are, you're dead. And Red Crow's kind of, I don't know where they are, but you see him reach back and pulls out his big buck knife and throws it and stabs one of the bad guys with it. And then they just kind of unload on

Red Crow, so he ends up getting killed. Yeah, that guy was a loyal guy because he jumped in front of that knife. Yeah, he did. Finch is kind of like, what the fuck? Why are you killing everyone? And he goes,

he's just, Finch is just getting deeper and deeper into all this. It kind of made me seem like that he wanted to get out of this being, being on the payroll for the bad guys.

Yeah. He was still trying to be a cop and doing all that. But so Henry and Hank show up back at the house and they walk in and this is when they see Hank's dad laying they're dead so now his brother's dead

and his dad's dead the Lance is still gone so then now they really need yeah other than he needs to avenge his family and bring Marino's justice yeah I didn't like how they left him like that

yeah because they had other relatives that lived in there because the member of Red Crow had told the one lady to take the boys to the store and buy them something? I think he knew someone was coming. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just saying,

like, what if they came home and found him like that? I'm sure they did. I'm sure they came. Somebody had to come home and find him. So when they left the house, they were going to get into a cabin take off, but then here comes a Moreno in the gang.

and they have a big shootout. Barbara, she gets gunned down by Marino. This sea was funny because she runs out into the middle of the street for no reason. Well, she was trying to get away. But I love Jamie Gertz, first of all. I mean, she could do no wrong on my eyes, but she did not sell. Her death seat. Oh, she died?

Yeah, Marino gunned her up. Filled her up a few times and she just, it was all in slow motion too and she just taking the shot, the blood flying everywhere. Maybe that's how bad she sold it because I didn't even think she died. Yeah. She went down and again with the response time, the whole police force shows up in this back alley or this side street of the house. Multiple detectives.

Yeah, they all show up. So Finch is like, all, they have McHenry and Hank hemmed up on the car. But Finch shows up and said, all right, man, I'll take it from here. So those two are handcuffed. But while he, while McHenry is handcuffed and he has him slammed down, he kind of notices there's a car. with a dent in it and it's got like a primer looking door. And he remembers that from earlier,

from one of these, the shoot-em-up outings or whatever. So Finch and another detective are in the car and they're trying to talk to them, basically like, all right, what's going on, where are the diamonds and everything. But then when they,

the two cops are kind of talking it out and they go back to the scene of the crime and I assume everything was all cleaned up because all the cops and everyone are gone. It's like what they do, go around the block a few times and waiting for everyone to leave. Didn't take nothing off, no evidence taken, nothing, just packed it up and left. Yeah, so they go back and the other two cars get in the car that, um, McHenry noticed the one with the dented up primer door and then they find out that he's like, oh man, they're in

on it. Finch is still trying to figure out what to do and you see the wheel spinning in his head like, all right man, all the shit I'm doing with my life is wrong. So let's try to do some right

and get out of this. But he let McHenry and Hank go, but then they go back to the police station and they end up stealing a car and following Finch and the other detective to where Moreno was out to his

ranch. So they follow him. I always have a problem with these type of things. When you're following somebody, especially at night, of course you're going to have your headlights on. And you're out in the middle of nowhere and the car that you're following

and you're like not really, even if you were a mild back they would still see your headlights but yeah not too many people are going to be going to morano's ranch at this time of night um but but the cops do realize that somebody is following them so they because they kind of shut their lights off and turn down a side road um uh finches and the other cop are kind of talking to marino like the other cop he he's on the take as well but he's like i'm i'm still with it so but finches is this kind of like, nah, man, I need to get out of this.

But Marino basically, well, you're a part of this and you can't get out. Because they, of course, when you're dealing with crooked cops, especially in the movies, I mean, with the bad guys, those cops, other than getting all getting paid and money and everything, they still need that. The bad guys still need those bad cops to help them with everything. But Marino and, I mean, McHenry, and Hank, they find Marino's

ranch and then they know what they need to do, basically kill everybody and try to save whoever they can. But there was nobody really there. Yeah, anybody's saving that you already got killed.

Yeah, I think maybe I think McHenry was still trying to say Finch. Like, all right, I know he's bad but I think he's still got some good in him so let's uh let's just go over there so Marino they had like some kind of

little sensors or whatever that they drove over and alerted Marino so they're all right here they come they're here so all those guys load up on all their guns and they're getting ready so Marina knows that that McHenry and Finch are coming so they go well we know what both of them want.

Hank Storm wants the Lance. McHenry wants Marino. So all his bad Marino's bad guys load up machine guns and everything. And then there's a big shootout amongst all of them. They end up

Marino, I mean, Hank and McHenry they take out a few of the guys out in the woods and then they end up getting into to the barn. And then Marino's guys set it on fire. So they're trying to figure out, well, fuck, man. The whole place is burning.

What are we going to do? So they kind of come up with a plan. All right, this is what we're going to do. Just kind of run out and hopefully someone get away. The whole place is on fire or this. And there's horses inside the barn. So they let all the horses out. The horses are just running out just to get to save themselves from the fire.

Marino's guys open fire on the horses, but Marino's like, what are you doing? He's trying to stop them from shooting his horses. Like, they didn't do anything while you're shooting at him. But McHenry is inside the barn still, and he's got a shotgun, and he's shooting at the bad guys. He ends up shooting one of the, um, they get some of those kerosene barrels, and that whole thing blows up. But while all the horses were running out, um, Hank Storm being the Indian that he is. He runs along the side of the horse,

jumps on onto the horse. And I think he's riding a bear back and just hauling ass towards the house. Some of Marino's guys are shooting at him, but he ends up missing. But before all the shooting and everything, when Marino came out, he had the lance and he just stabs it into a pole on the porch. So they're all hiding.

McHenry comes flying out of the barn on a derby. bike that he finds in there. Pretty convenient. There was a dirt bike in there. Hank Storm finds, sees the lance in front of the house. He ends up taking it. McHenry is still hauling ass towards the other crooked cop that was with Finch.

And he's the, uh, that cop starts shooting at McHenry, but he like jumps off the bike and lets the bike go crashing in him. And then, uh, we see McHenry. and Finch, they're kind of talking. And again, you see Finch kind of like, hey, man, other than he needed the money, like, all right, man, just come on, we need you. But then Marino ends up gunning up Finch. So that crooked cop is dead, which was McHenry's friend, as well as his father's friend. So he ends up getting killed.

and then here comes Hank Storm out of nowhere hooting and hollering holding the lance but before he comes up the other guy that was with Marino the black gentleman he hits Hank Storm off the off the horse and they kind of get into a fight Hank pulls out his knife and ends up

stabbing the black guy he goes down Marino starts firing towards Hank's storm. But when Hank got hit off the horse, he like dropped the lance and it fell. So after Hank killed the black guy, Marino steps in, starts shooting at him. McHenry sees the lance because it kind of fell on fire and the handles on fire. He runs up, picks up the lance, and thugs up the lance. and throws it

and it goes flaming through the air and gets Moreno in the heart basically goes pretty much all the way through him because you see it

kind of sticking out of his back and then he falls down and Lance is still on fire Marino's dead pretty much all his guys are all dead and that's the end of them

it kind of fades to black and then I don't know how how much further after this, but we're back on the res, and Hank is on horseback with a bunch of other

little res kids, and he's basically showing them and telling them the stories of the land. Here comes a car, and it turns out it is McHenry, and he's telling them, all right, look, everything's

good. I'm still a cop. I'm on probation. They gave me a citation. Yeah. Everything is all good. You know how many people died? Yeah, they slapped me on the wrist and

I came all the way out here from Philadelphia just to tell you. It must be far because in the beginning Hank and his family flew from where the res or whatever was the closest airport to the res

to Philly. you think it says it's in Texas Oh they were in Texas Yeah Well I don't know how far Texas is from Philadelphia It's still pretty far But the whole plane racked

Because wanted to Fly out there to check his hand Yeah I figured he would At least maybe stay He said hey thanks brother Sorry about your family And that's your movie So

Because he goes Right down the road And Hank is still up on the hill with the kids. We ran through as quick as we could. I did leave some things out, but that was pretty much the movie. There was a lot of stuff in this movie that they didn't even need to put in the movie.

I think it was just, did it help the story? No. But I think they were just putting stuff like the whole beginning with the Asian guys and that was shootout thing. Now, did it need that? No. All right.

But I mean, the movie is good. it is what it is. If you guys have stars, is that one it was on? Yeah. I think so. All right. Yeah, it's streaming on stars if you haven't seen it. Any of you guys that do Blu-Rays, come on, give this a proper release. Not the Good Times video DVD that I have. The budget for this movie was $16 million.

And it made a little bit money. The boxed office was $20 million. I mean, it got my money when it came out. is Morgan Creek still around? I think they're doing DVDs and Blu-rays. I don't think they're making movies. Ah, okay. Well, I mean, Morgan Creek was putting them out back in the day, in the good old days. So, but, I mean, yeah, that was renegades, the 1989.

It is labeled an American action crime directed by Jack's shoulder. What else has he done? Trying to see. He's worked at the Night Brown Elm Street, too. The Hidden? We did that, didn't we? Yeah, I think I read a fact about that. I think something about because he did the hidden and they did that, that car chase scene.

Oh. That he wanted to do another car chase scene in a movie. And I think that's what the, the jury heist chase scene was. Okay. because he did Renegade. Oh no, he did the Hidden first and then Renegates. He directed

Nightmare and Elfreet Street 2, Freddy's Revenge. I know some of you horror fans didn't like that one. I thought a movie was awesome. I loved it. Go back and listen to my review with Mark Patton. I interviewed him a few years ago at Sinister CreatureCon.

Was it East Society or Mackins? I don't remember one of those ones. Just go back until you find it. Renegates. I loved it. I thought this was an awesome film. Of course, I'm going to love it because of the Native American part of it.

But again, shout out to Floyd Red Crow Westerman. Rest in peace. Gary Farmer, Lou Diamond Phillips, we need an Indian, the native. You always go to him. I think we're at a point in time. I think we can get somebody that

actually is. There's plenty of native actors out there. He does. We don't need Stephen Lang or what's his Dexter's dad. Oh. Ajax. The fuck's his name.

Damn it. Somebody's yelling right now. Remar. James Remar. James Remar. Yeah. Him. When's that Dexter?

coming out. I think I want to say November for some reason. It could be next month or November.

Is this a one and done thing or is it Yeah, from what I read, I think they didn't feel

the series ended in a good way. So this is kind of their, what they wanted to do

or something. It seemed like it was just it just ended I was kind of like all right I don't know

I didn't I didn't like how it ended yeah November November 7th is when that comes yeah so well I'm gonna watch it I thought I had showtime I don't have showtime anymore I guess I'll

find it and yeah so but all what we got next since we're getting into the October we try to get into

some kind of I guess horror action, sci-fi action so we're going to do 1987's Predator Is that horror? It has an alien monster So I'm trying here

I think one we need to Well I don't even know if that was really an action movie I know we meant to do this last year, but something happened. End of days. I put it in there. He's a cop. The devil. I mean, I haven't

I picked this up. I haven't watched it in a while. But I don't know. I've seen that movie since it came out of the theaters. Yeah, I've been falling asleep in the theater. But I love Arnold. I got to keep my Arnold collection going. His comedies. not all of them

we're good. I don't know, but I don't know where you're thinking with junior, but twins, too, I'll watch it.

Yeah. More Arnold with the predator. I will get into it and we do that one. But, all right, everyone,

that is it, this episode, East Society. Yeah, I just got a new one coming, so just go back and listen or whatever.

Oh, oh, really quick. blind Frankenstein, aka Big Jesse, him out of retirement. And we did our yearly

Big Guys episode of the Big Guys podcast. It was another little side show from the Skater Ness Podcast Network. It was something that we do when we can and we cranked one out for you guys. Nice.

So definitely go back and listen to that. If you're new to the big guys, go back. I don't even know what episode this is. I want to say, I know we did. We've done, I think we've done less than 10, maybe more than 10. I don't remember. Go back until you find big guys.

It's back maybe a year or two. So, but yeah, we're back. Hopefully we're going to give you one more before the year is up. But if you're familiar with that show, we said we were going to do it when we could. It took us a year and a half, but we came back. we did another one for you guys so yeah shout out to big jesse you rock brother thanks for coming back on

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