The Horror Returns - The Action Returns - Ep.#17: Vampires (1998) & Ghosts Of Mars (2001)

Episode Date: November 10, 2020

This episode Brian and Nez join forces to stake some goons in John Carpenter's 1998 horror/action classic VAMPIRES. Then the guys travel 33.9 million miles to the angry red planet in John Carpenter's GHOSTS OF MARS.    Join The Action Returns Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/841619946357776   The Action Returns Twitter and Instagram coming soon.

Forget whatever you've seen in the movies. They don't turn into bats. Crosses don't work. Garlic? Do you try garlic? You stand with garlic around your neck. One of these buggers bend you fucking over and take a walk up your strata chocolate while they're sucking the blood out of your neck, all right?

Baby, I need some action tonight. Back to another episode of the Ash Returns. This is episode number 17. I'm your host Brian. And with me as always, it's my brother, Nez, what's up, man? Yo, man, what's going on up there? Cold.

A lot of snow. It's been snowing for like two days. Ah, it's first snow hit us last night. And it's, yeah, it's fucking like 80 degrees last week. And then now it's like in the 30s. We never get like weeks of like where it's just nice and cool. It just goes from hot to cold. that's the only thing I hate about being up here

but yeah it is what it is other than that yeah it is that time up here for it to snow I got I kind of thought we would have got it last month but uh it's here and it ain't going nowhere

so I got to deal with it but uh wrestling talk you watch NXT's uh Halloween Havoc No, I have not. Well, I watched a little bit of my girl, Rio Ripley, some of the highlights of that match. That's about it.

I've been meaning to watch it, and I just got caught up with some of the shit, man. But is it good? Yeah, it's a better product than what's going on on the main shows. With the exception, I still like what they're doing with Roman Rush. and the whole heel turn. But yeah, NXT's Halloween Havoc was,

I liked it from start to beginning or start to finish. All right, cool. I'm not to definitely check that out. I have it on the docket for me to watch it, but I just, I don't know. I'm still in horror mode for about,

for October. Just trying to get through the rest of the Friday 13th series with my son. He's digging all of it. And, uh, all right. We're next one we're watching is, uh, the worst one. Jason goes to hell, but I kind of have a feeling he's going to like it.

I mean, just he's new to the franchise. So, uh, I don't know. I mean, he liked everything so far. It wasn't never like, yeah, that one was all right. Now he was like, no, I was good. So I'm like, all right. So I don't know. I'll let him watch this next one.

And then, uh, see what he has to say before I rip into it. Right. Yeah, let's get into these movies. Apologies, everybody. This one was supposed to come out last month, but 31 days. We was, it seems like we was cranking them out like every other night. And then over, over on the horror returns, me and Lance were doing our recaps. I think I watched close to 75 movies in October. I don't think I did that much I think I hit the 50 mark But I mean we covered 31 of them and then Extra stuff I watched and New things I came across and some other

crap That are really quick There's a new one in the theater I think you were watching it the other day Oh come play Is any good it's um i talked about it on the show it's it's not bad i i would say i i recommend it to people that are trying to slowly get their kids in the horror because it's not it's not too

much for kids okay and uh it's out there oh yeah i saw that so that that's why i'm still still not ready to brave a theater but uh i don't know we'll see. All right. Let's get started with the first one, which is, shit, my fucking notes just went away.

John Carpenter's Vampires. Time to kill some vampires. A showdown is about to begin. Between the soldiers of the day and the army of the night. James Woods my baby

John Carpenter's Vampires Rated R. All right, John Carpenter's Vampires came out in 1998 directed by John Carpenter produced by Sandy King screenplayed by Don Jacoby This stars James Woods,

Daniel Baldwin, Cheryl Lee Terry Silver from Karate Kid 3 Maximilian Schnell Tim Jeannie I think that's how you say his name and there was a bunch of other people

Mark Boone Jr. I can't say I'm going to butcher this guy's name. Carrie Herakuya Tagawa there was a lot of people that that you might recognize popping up in other movies music done by John Carpenter what did you think John Carpenter's vampires this was one that I saw it like right at the very end of its run I know it just

didn't it didn't look like it was going to be much to me because I was kind of just like, eh, this ain't 80s, John Carpenter. Um, so I went and seen the mic was one.

Dude, you gotta see it. You gotta see it. So I was like, all right. I'll go check it out. Uh, I went,

I know when I went in there was just me. It was no one else in there. And, uh, I left the theater like, fuck, man, that was hell of good.

Why, why did I wait so long? Why did I doubt John Carpenter? First of all, I was kind of like slapping myself as I'm watching this film. And I'm like, oh, man. And,

I was like, fuck. The only problem I had with it was the vampire team. James Woods' Vampire Slayer guys. Because they sucked. Yeah, I mean, maybe that was the end of their story

because it's like they got took out like hella quick and I was like, oh man. I was like, I mean, even watching it this, this, this last rewatch, I was kind of like, okay, I know what's going to happen, but I was like, I kind of still wanted it to let me, maybe go to the middle of the movie before you lose everybody.

And I was kind of like, oh, man, because, yeah, you had all kinds of fucking cool-ass guy. You had Shang sung in there. And he was like, hardly, you know, just barely did anything. And Bobby from fucking Sun's Anarchy. Rallo from Sanford and Son. I mean, not Rollo. what the fuck was his name he was the the father father giovanni um

the hell was his name in sanfordis now it's gonna um trying to yeah i gotta go way back i gotta hit the 70s i'm way in the 80s um he was uh one of lamont's friends and he popped up in a ton of shit too pretty sure it was sanford son yeah it was i'm trying to find it didn't. Some of you younger listeners, I have no

idea what we're talking about. It was old show in the 70s. I know he popped up. Oh, here. Julio was his name. There you go. But, I mean, it was cool to see everybody in it. I mean, the much younger

versions of themselves, but I wanted this team to last longer. It just wasn't it was like they started off and they all look bad. I mean, just look at the poster itself, man. You got James Wood and the whole crew standing there all fucking

just armed to the teeth. Crossbows and guns and spears and everything else they had. And then they only got to see one takedown. But I mean, but other than that, I mean,

I enjoy this film. I loved the practical effects. I mean, CGI was going strong. early early CGI but it wasn't I don't think he did any in this that I caught but I enjoyed everything James Woods man he's he's a good actor I mean not his personal life is all wacky and crazy but I liked him in this Daniel Baldwin he's one of the Baldwin's may you know you know him when you see him but he's I know he's done a

lot but I think this is probably my favorite film that he had done but Terry Silver Thomas Ian Griffith He's a Valic I thought he was badass Um How do you how do you say the

The other father that was Um That teamed up with them after the whole team got killed Well after the Vatican guys told him Here you get you need someone else to go with you Was Adam Yeat too or I don't know I couldn't pronounce it

last name. I thought they just called them father throughout most of it. Yeah, we'll just go with that. But yeah, I mean, in the end, this movie was badass. I mean, I loved it. I got the last of the Twilight Time Blu-rays before it went out of print, and I knew it wasn't going to be on print very long because then Shout Factory, Screen Factory, put one out.

And the guy, the kind of collector. I am I kind of want to get that one too because I love the the little art not the poster art the art that shout chow factory and those guys do when they when they re put out movies so I like that cover and things it looks pretty sweet so I'll probably if I find it somewhere I'll pick it up but other than that man this this film was badass man I loved everything I was not impressed with the second one but I mean nothing against John Bon Jovi but No, no. It didn't have it. I know the John Carpenter got a check, but did you see that one? No, and I saw Bon Jovi was in there. It's kind of like, nah.

What did you think of this one? I enjoyed it. I remember really liking it when I first seen it back back, uh, you. 98 but um this rewatch uh it was my first rewatch in like years um yeah i had the same problem with the crew you know other than that first little uh little 10 15 minutes of the movie where they're going into one of the what were they calling it nest of the the vampires and getting them which they didn't even really do much in there it seemed like mostly like a couple people and it seemed like their team was way too big for what they were doing and yeah I thought I thought everybody else was fine you know I'm not a big

fan of James Woods because he's a piece of trash but um I thought the chick was fine uh Cheryl Lee has Katrina she had a couple nice scenes laying on the bed naked yeah we'll get to that minute okay um I did not know for years that that was Terry Silver. Like, I think somebody had told me. It was like, oh, that's Terry Silver and Karate Kid 3. And I was like, get the fuck out of here. And then I looked it up.

And I was like, oh, shit. I like the practical effects in there. There were some good kills, especially with Bobby from, uh, sons of anarchy. He had a good death scene. And, um, yeah, I like the whole story of basically the, they're, they're trying to be like blade. They're trying to be daywalkers.

Because the ceremony was never completed and I dug all that. But, yeah, really dug this one. And, of course, when you hear the music, you definitely know as John Carpenter. Yeah, man. I mean, the music, I mean, every, all the music that John Carpenter does in his films are badass. The budget for this was $20 million and it only box, the domestic box office, I only made, well, they made their money back with a little bit of change, 20.3 million. I'm like, did nobody go see this one?

I mean, I think that was probably why I didn't rush out to see it. Because I was kind of like, okay. I mean, it was mainly James Woods is what kind of kept me away from it. I mean, he's done a bunch of good movies. I mean, I liked him, but once he's once, well, it was. pre-internet, I guess. I don't know. He just started getting a little wacky,

but I don't know, to each his own. Plus, with these films, I mean, the one, the film we got right before this was Escape from L.A. And you guys, you guys heard that was already. I think he started to lose me with, Village of the Damned. I mean, I love it now.

I mean, a lot of these films, but this is, you know, I'm talking about the Young Nez back in 95. And I remember like, oh, John Carbenter, because I was all about him in the 80s, like we all were. But then in the mouth of madness came out, I was excited. And I was like, I still don't understand that movie. Then Village of the Dam came out. Another remake he tackled, which I love, I mean, I love it now.

Rest and peace. Christopher Reeve, the real Superman everybody. It's even got Luke Skywalker in there. So I was kind of like, yeah, okay, he's getting older. And then I was like, all right, I mean, Village of the Damn was what it was.

I mean, not like now, I love that film, but when Skafer from L.A. came out, I mentioned that on the show. We went in there juiced, and then I was like, what the fuck is this? But it's still in my library. Then vampires came out, so I was kind of like, eh, okay. I was

see it when I see it because that I wasn't hearing much about it that oh man it's hell of good you got to go see it Mike was the only one that hyped it up to me and I trust Mike so I was like you know what all right cool I'll go see it so I went seeing it and then I was like okay I mean I appreciate it after once he hit cable and and DVD and VHS and all that and I'm like all right I have them I have it and then Blu-ray and all that so but um I still enjoy the film I mean I I love it for what it is. Is it John Carpenter's best? No.

But now, I mean, it's for what it is. I mean, if you're a John Carborder fan, you'll love this film. Oh, excuse me. I mean, I loved it the story. And, yeah, it was like, like Brian said, this is basically a blade type of thing. I mean, you got Valik. He was used to be a priest way back in the day.

And then he was supposed to go through some kind of exorcism ritual. was supposed to make him into the ultimate vampire, to where he can walk in the sunlight, be a day walker. I liked all that, but the whole ceremony was botched, so he never really got to complete it. He was the outcast, because he was a former priest, but then he got outcast for what he was trying to do. And he was apparently, well, in this story,

he was the original vampire, the very first one before everything goes on. I assume. Did they say what year that took place? I know they mentioned it, but I don't remember. Do you? No, I don't remember. It was like way back in the day.

So, and then with James Woods' character, Jack Crow, he just formed his whole team to become vampire slaters. He was working with the Vatican because it says a team of Vatican-sponsored vampire hunters led by Jack Crow is how we start the film and they end up in New Mexico and they find a nest is what they kept calling him. What I loved about Jack's character other than he was just as fast-talking smart ass. I mean, I loved his backstory because his backstory was that his father was a vampire, but he was kind of keeping it secret, but he ended up killing his mom. Jack's mom in front of him. So I think that's all that and really got to him.

So he kind of dedicated his life as to be in a vampire slayer. So I thought I loved that little backstories that they were talking as well as the backstory for Valik. I mean, I really liked what he was trying to do. I mean, I mentioned the practical effects. I think that's what I love the most. I mean, there was a lot of blood in this and everything. But when Jack and his crew, when they roll into that old place, I don't know what it was,

when I'm a warehouse or something. But when they rolled in there, I loved what they did because he had Montoya, Daniel Baldwin's character. He was outside with his little Jeep rig with one of those little tow things with steel cable. And what they were doing is Jack was shooting in like arrows with hooks on them. into the vampires that they were catching and then he would radio Montoya and then they would pull them outside and into the sunlight.

I think that was what I love the most about the practical effect. I loved how when the vampires would light up. It was like big flames of or just big like it seemed like jet flames would shoot out of their elbows.

I loved all that. It always came out of their elbow or their forearms first. It's like because when they were blocking the sun, from blocking their eyes from the sun and then their arms would catch fire and push. I thought that was like they had like road fliers or something in the arms.

I loved how all of that. And again, I mean, the whole team was badass. I mean, I loved all the characters. I'm surprised he didn't get that one dude from Big Trouble in Little China and he was in Diehard. What's his name, Leon? Alion.

Yeah, him. I'm surprised he was. wasn't in this because of a lot of these guys that were on the team you've seen them in other films I mean they have those faces like oh that's that guy I mean you never know their names but oh I mean I liked the story on what they were doing how they were trying to hunt down this master but I think at this point they didn't know who who valik was because later is when is when the priest told him who he was and told him the back story of him so I loved all of that.

But the other thing that kind of made me laugh is, as the story goes on in Valick, because he's losing his vampires left and right with Jack and the crew. But the Valic gets some more masters. He gets like seven more masters that are, I don't know, I assume they were spread out all throughout the world, but then he radioed him,

and they came in to help them out. What I loved about them is vampires in the late 90s must have carried a lot of aquanette hairspray. Because all of them had big hair. I mean, especially Valic, Terry Silver. He had this, just pimps, it looked like a velvet cloak or something. I don't know what the hell he was wearing. And his hair was all nice and fair. out and everything yeah the I like how he after the nest was raided like he came

out of the ground because he was for some reason sleeping in the dirt and was not dirty after that and the hair was all nice so yeah he must have kept some with him because yeah he must had a dust buster or something with him because yeah everyone he came out of the dirt he was all hell dirty but then when they show him walking away he's all nice spiffy and cling I don't know but that's what I loved too because after they went

raided that first house and they killed them on they said well we couldn't find no master or anything I said oh okay well that's all of them let's get out of here I loved how once the sun went down we go to the outside it's outside shot of the

place they just exterminated all the vampires from you see just these arms come out of the ground and then here comes Valak crawling out of the ground. I love that because it made it seem like all his whole vampire crew stayed inside down the basement and he always kept himself outside. So I thought that was pretty sweet. I like that he didn't need a coffin. Like I assume they just had big dark rooms in there that they were all hiding in. But his was like I went now he would have to go bury himself

outside, which was cool man. I mean, you're not going to go looking around outside for vampires so I loved that part of the thing but after they raid that first house or that first building or whatever they went into uh all the guys and jack and them were all let us go celebrate they ended up going to some little roadside motel uh getting a lot of beer and i'm sure smoke was there and then they brought in all these hookers now that was a party organized by the sheriff oh that's right he was in there he was standing against the wall drinking he brought them all in i mean these is just the i assume they were all just strippers just loaded up the car and brought them all because they well all those guys were paying them so but then there

was just naked girls laying all over the place and guys just just having at it um Yeah, it was a weird combination of girls because some looked like they was like the real deal. They just got them off the street. And then some of them just looked like regular nice girls. Yeah, I mean, they were like, you can see the ones that were all rough and tough and beat down straight from the street. And the other ones were probably, maybe the cleaned up ones were more of the dancers. And there's other rough ones were right from the street corners. But I love this man because I thought this is probably one of my favorite scenes dealing with practical effects with blood and everything

Like Brian mentioned for those of you that know Bobby from Sons of Anarchy Valak comes strolling up to the motel and he opens up the door because I think he wouldn't have to go get more beer or something Yeah, and then he's standing there and then Valic just Jams his hand and Valak's got a long finger and else jams it into I don't know his name but Bobby is what we're calling him he jammed it into him and then pulled it up

and like just from somewhere maybe right above his stomach and just sliced them all the way up came out of his shoulder I loved that practical effect because then he just like split apart so I thought that was awesome and then he went to commence and to just fucking

killing everybody that was in there I thought that was awesome Um, was he, oh, he was just like pulling full's throats out and throwing them all over the place, right? Yeah, he was ripping throats, uh, snapping necks and they were, uh, basically there was, uh, some people was killing their own people because they was shooting guns in there and it's just going through him. And he's using hookers as shields and all kinds of stuff. And this is where I was just kind of like, this. crew is not really badass because I panicked immediately. Yeah, it was like they looked badass, but, I mean, this one, well, to give him that, I mean, he was a master, but he just rolled straight in there and just took everyone out.

And I'm sure everyone was drunk as well. That can, that can slow you down too, but I was like, all right. I mean, if you're going to be a vampire slayer, you should just always be ready. Because when Valic rolls in, he's just rolling in, snapping necks and just, I'm watching it right now. And he's just swiping hands and slicing his throats and hookers are just screaming everywhere. And he's just jamming his arms through everybody. And the girls are all running because he's just tearing their throats out. for all the blood

that was happening in this scene I mean he didn't have none on him but alright other than his hand for tearing into a few of them and I don't know what motel this is but these rooms are hell of big so I don't know

it's a movie I did love how he grabbed that one hooker when that one dude pulled out a machine gun and started blasting him And then she just took all the, all the bullets. And then James Woods comes running in. And for some reason, diving on to the, to the dresser shooting.

And he doesn't know what's happened. Oh, well, he grabs his crossbow. Yeah, he pulls it out of his leg. Was this like the most violent scene in the whole film? Yeah, I would have to say, I mean, there's, there's the end. but it wasn't as, you know, there's not decapitations and people getting split in half as as there was in the beginning here. So, yeah, this probably was the most violent scene.

Because, I mean, I think my favorite killing is other other than Bobby is when he grabs, Valik grabs the priest that's in there. All right. Really quick. The priests, they do that vow of, I'm not going to look at women or touch them. or anything. Why was he standing in there just drinking and partying watching all these dudes get

down with these girls? I don't know. Maybe whatever floats your boat. But Valak grabs that guy because the priest came at him with shotgun and then Valak just grabs a shotgun, holds it under his neck and then pulls a trigger. I wish they would have showed it, but they didn't. You just

see, you hear the shotgun blast and then you just see blood splatter all over the ceiling. I thought that one was pretty sweet. Um, yeah, I think There's more Carnage throughout the film, but I think this was probably like the, the biggest bloody mess, uh, I've just,

him rolling in there buying himself because, uh, the rest of the violence was just, uh, them killing the vampires. I mean, other than stabbing them in the hearts and then dragging him outside and they burn on fire. Um, well, wait a minute. Okay, let me go back a little bit. Before Valik goes in there and just starts killing everyone, he grabbed, what's her name, Katrina, one of the hookers. Yeah.

All right. Here's a question. Was he going down on her? I don't know. That's what I thought. I thought he went down on her. And then he was just like, hey, I'm going to bite you here because I'm already down here. So, and I love this.

I love the way he was up on the ceiling in the corner with his arms outspread. Yeah. kind of reminded me of that one movie um one spitting no was it the haunting connecticut when he was hiding up on the ceiling i think it was that one i don't know one of one of those one of those movies but yeah he looked badass how he was just hovering up in the corner and then when she came and he jumped down and uh i assume he was going down because she was moaning around and everything and then and then he bidder um I think this is the reason I came up with.

I mean, I think the reason that he bit her, like in the cheap, he bit her in the lay. He didn't bite her on the on the Vijay. I think he bid her there to hide it because when after. We don't know that. This is what I'm thinking. I think it that because when Jack and Montoya, when they got her outside, they were like, is she bit? And they were checking her neck. and they said,

nah, she's fine. And then later on, they found out where she was bit. I think it was when they got to that hotel and she was laying there

naked for some reason. I don't know why. I think that was like the only way that he saw it. I don't know. But that's what I came up with on this last rewatch. Yeah, after he did all that

with her with Katrina, that's when he rolled into the room and just started fucking just, killing everyone because Jack tells Montoya look you just take her and go to the rendezvous at the hotel

and I'll come meet up with you guys later on and then that's when Jack goes back into the hotel or the motel and he has to kill all the body or just basically stab all the bodies. There must have been what

10, 15 of bodies in there? I mean the team and all the girls. Probably more. Probably more because he had to go in there and stab him all in the heart and then he didn't bury him did he just left them all in there and burned them all right yeah he cut the heads off threw him in the sack and then let the hotel on fire oh that's right because when he was driving down the road he just threw the

the heads in that little uh little crevice in the dirt and then kind of buried him. So that was in. I mean, that was how he took out all the crew because he didn't want any of them coming back. But then again, would they have come back? Because he didn't really bite anyone. He was just like tearing his throats out and breaking the necks and putting holes in them. But I don't know. Maybe a scratch from a vampire will turn you. So the rest of the story, I think it was more like protocol. Yeah. I think the rest of the story from here on from here on out is Jack and Montoya and Katrina. They figured out Katrina has some kind of psychic link with Valic because she can see where he's been and what's around me. And when they weren't talking to, well, what do you see? What do you see? She starts, oh, I see this assigned to some town that they were going to. And I see this. And then they're like, all right, so they're kind of figuring out on how to track him down by using her. But this whole time, she is just, kind of like

a drug addict hurting because she's just not feeling well and she doesn't know what's going on I mean they did tell her you got bit by a vampire so you're just going to have to ride it out so but and then they had to team up with another father

because when they talked to I think it was Cardinal Alba they told them well here we're going to give you this guy because he needs to go with you why I mean why did they have to have a priest with him because the guy in the beginning

the one that got his head blown off was that just to bless them and all that because before they went in there and shot up before they went and got killed all those vampires in the beginning he like blessed them all before they all went in was just something like that yeah I think it was part of that and also

I assume they're the ones that report back to the Vatican yeah I think I think yeah because he did have to report in I mean I think Jack and the rest of the gang were just along for the ride killing everyone but um I mean throughout the rest of the film they were they were finding more vampires uh Katrina was still well she was helping him along the way but then she uh it kind of like got to the point where it just took over her because she she ended up biting Montoya or she bit him on the arm first but then later on when she became like full vampires when she tore into his neck but um as as the movie went on that that this is when jack he he kind of was finding out more

on who Valik was and uh what they were doing I love the scene when he first when Jack first talks to the new father that's with him when he's telling me, have you ever, do you know anything about vampires? And it was kind of like, no, it's the clip I threw at the beginning

of this episode, everyone. It's, that's whole scene. But I had to edit it a little bit because he said a word that some people is not right to say.

And that's why I just, I just edited that word out of this. I didn't want to put that in there. So they don't want to offend anybody. Different time. Yeah, different times, everybody,

90s but I loved that whole scene of the dialogue that Jim's woodhead but after how did he get caught I don't even remember remember Jack got by Ballick yeah it was the I think when they tried to I think it was later in when they met in that town because the Ballack went to get that what was it the Black Cross to finish the the ritual And I guess it was Montoya Crow and the priest. They were teaming up to go get there. What was it? Oh, and they were all in the underground in that hotel in the jail.

And they were basically doing the same way that they got the vampires out in the beginning. And I think shit just kind of went haywire and he ended up getting caught while Montoya drove off. That's when my toy I got bit for the second time. Yeah, because when they went into that one, when they were going down into the basement, that's when they found out that there was more masters. Because all the other vampires, the ones that they were turned were just like regular normal people in the regular streetwell. If you were a master, it must have been a requirement to wear a black suit. Sulk because

other than Valick and his little gear he was wearing all the other seven masters that were there there was guys and gals they were all in black in like suits like tuxedo type looking things

or I don't know but I mean I thought they looked sweet though because that one scene when he after he after Valik got them all and they all came out of the ground and then they were just what it was like

to just about to be dark and you can see them all walking you got these valet leading and you got these other seven people in the in the suits behind them i thought they all looked pretty sweet but yeah that whole scene when they when they were trying to get them bringing them up because they were doing the same thing that they've been working on they shooting them with the crossbow and spearing them and dragging them out but uh the masters have a lot more strength because one of them that they shot he grabbed like a post or something

and then while they were trying to pull him out the cable broke so they're like oh fuck so that's when Jack went and jumped on him I love that scene because he's just like he pulled out of sidearm and just unloading him in his face and then Montoya was outside he grabbed that cable wrapped it around the car and just pulled him out and then he blew up

I thought all that was pretty sweet but yeah then that's when they just got kind of overrun and Jack got captured and Montoya and Katrina took off as well. And the father, he kind of just like jumped in the back and hid wherever they were. I can't remember because when Jack wakes up, he's like tied up. And then Valac is trying to explain to him what was going on and what he wanted that cross for. And then this is when Cardinal Alba shows up. And Jack is like, what the fuck?

And he, because he tells him, look, man, he goes, he bid, Cardinal Alba basically just said, I'm here to perform the ritual to turn Valik into a day walker. I'm just, he kind of like just basically, he was a non-believer anymore. He was getting to, he was getting up there in age, and he was getting scared of death. And he made this deal with Valik, look, man, I'll, I'll finish the exorcism that'll transform you into a day walker and then you buy me and then I'll become a day walker and it will live happily ever after so that was the main reason he go ahead you think he would have kept up with his deal i don't think so i think he would have killed him i just figured you mean val like was on those guys

that was using them because um i mean all the masters they were all i assume were born vampires and he would have just been another one that was turned so i don't know i think he would have pretty much he would probably would have just killed him as soon as the ritual was done. So they needed the blood of a crusader because way back in those days that's what they were using. Jack technically was a crusader because he was the one trying to stop all the vampires. So they said, well, we'll kill him, sacrifice him, use his blood. You got the Black Cross and we'll perform the ritual and everything will be good. so but

Montoya showed up him and the father that's right because the father he loaded up with a shotgun and he was up on the roof and when they were starting the ritual

Cardinal Alba turned around and the other father the younger priest he blasted him so he killed him and then they were kind of like well you can't that father was like well you can't

continue the ritual now because there's no one here going to do it. And Valik goes, well, you can do it. And he said, well, I'm not going to do it. Then he kind of, like, put that shotgun to his head. And he was getting, he was basically going to kill himself. So he couldn't do it. Was he going to kill Jack in front of him?

Is that why the father kind of just gave in? I think so. I think he was going to kill Jack. And he gave in. And then here comes Montoya with his, with his, with this Baldwin strength, driving, driving one-handed, shooting the crossbow, which this scene always made me laugh because when, when that cable yanks that cross, that is clearly not James Wood on there. It is a dummy.

I mean, it didn't, I mean, you were expecting a big giant showdown at the end. I mean, yeah, the other masters all got pretty much wiped out and everything, but it wasn't much because once Valik and him and Jack had their final showdown, the sun was getting ready to come up. So I assume that was the part of the ritual to do it right before sunrise. Because once Valik kind of chases Jack into that one of those buildings that they were in, he, uh, he, uh, Jack grabs the black cross and stabs it into Valick and then, okay, the sun was up by then. How did they, did he shoot into the, and bring in the sunlight? I can't remember how he brought the sunlight in.

I think he knocked the post over. He, like, tackled a post and, like, some boards came down and light started shining in. I think that's what happened. Oh, that's right, because he, yeah, he stabbed him with that thing. So he was pretty much trying to deal with that. That's why he ran and tackled that beam. And then the whole roof caved in and all the sun came pouring in. Well, he started lit on fire and then he blew up.

I wasn't really satisfied with that ending because it like happened so fast. It was like kind of give us another few more minutes of fighting because it didn't. It seemed like he went in there, stabbed him, boom, tackled thing. Then he blew up and then that was it. I was kind of yeah I agree with you it it you know

he took out the whole entire team a bunch of hookers and the sheriff and then he can't he can't take jack crow by himself

it was kind of yeah it was kind of a lame ending I think they they blew their load in the beginning of this movie yeah because I mean the only special effects really other than him being stabbed but was when he blew up

And that was it. So I was kind of like, oh, but all right, whatever, movie. So he's dead. Evil is punished.

Well, at this point, Jack goes outside, and he's talking to Montoya. Montoya. I mean, he was kind of rough and tough, man,

because when he got, when he got bit in the neck, he got that little, a little submachine gun and just just fired it in the air. The barrel got all hot. And he went, just burnt his neck.

Well, I guess you do what you got to stop the blood. How did he fall in love so quick? I don't know, man. I mean, he kissed her once. I don't know. Maybe when he stripped her naked and had her tied up on the bed, he was looking at that ass. I mean, I don't know.

I mean, he's maybe he doesn't get much women when he's out on the road. But I don't know why he wasn't in there with the rest of the guys in the beginning. and just having at it with whoever. But I don't know. Yeah, I didn't like that part of the story either. It was too quick. I mean, she was basically dying the whole time. And I guess he did feel sorry for her,

but they never really explained why he felt sorry for her. But I don't know. But Montoya is sitting out in the Jeep all beat up. He's got her in the back, because she already turned full pretty much full vampire. So she was out of the sunlight. like and then Jack and Montoya were talking and he told him like look man I gave you a two days of my protection and my loyalty to you so can you at least just give us a couple days

and then that's when Jag goes yeah look I'm going to give you guys a couple days and but then I'm going to come find you so go on get out of here I'll deal with you later and then they end up driving off and Jack and the father kind of looked at each other. I mean, because they didn't kill all the vampires. It wasn't like Lost Boys. You kill the head vampire,

and then the rest of them turned back in or die. But I assume they wiped out all the masters because those seemed to be the ones that they were fighting with the most. And that was another thing I had a problem with. I mean, it was just Jack and the father in Montoya, which didn't do much because it couldn't. Again, these masters are like really,

strong and they all took them out hell easy but I don't know I didn't write the movie so they go into the into Montoya and Katrina drive off Jack and the father walk in talking shit and then they just basically go and I assume killed all the other vampires that were in there and then that was your movie I loved it all except for the ending I thought it was just kind of wrapped up too quick and and too easy. Would you? Yeah, I agree with you.

I agree with you. It, uh, ending wasn't as good as it started out to be and enjoyed most of the cast. Um, I will say my, my, my, now talking about it,

uh, my, one of my other gripes would be, uh, Montoya's, uh, love story because he, he,

he was a hard ass up until, it seems like, when you're right when he's stripped her naked in the in the hotel and then all of a sudden he's in love off of one kiss and seeing her naked and he's ready to go be a vampire for the rest of his life knowing that jack crow is going to hunt him down to the day that he dies could have did without that but um yeah i think this is uh of course not the top of john carpenter's filmography but it i would put it like right there in the middle yeah Um, it wouldn't be one of my favorites. I mean, John Carbord had done so many awesome films up to this point. Because, uh, when did the ward come out? Was that in the 2000s? Well, I guess it had to.

Yeah, it was like 2002. I've seen that once. I don't, I don't even remember that one at all. Trash. Yeah, no, 2010 is when that one came out. Shit, 10 years ago? Oh, wow. All right, shit.

I mean, I guess, I guess vampires and then a couple of years later, he's doing the next movie we thought we're talking about. I know he did some Masters of Horror stuff. I've seen him, but I don't even remember those ones at all. The Ward. Who was in that? I mean What's her name? Crazy chick

I don't like what she did to Johnny Debb And none of my business I like her I mean I think she's hot But Two Eages's own everybody I'm gonna have to find this one I think I have all John Carver's movies

But this one The completest I am I guess I'll buy it. There's a reason you don't have it. Because I saw it once. I remember when it was like, oh, sweet, John Carver's got a new movie coming out. It never hit the theater. Well, it didn't hit any of the theaters around here.

Other means is when it hit that is when I watched it. And then I was kind of like, is that it? But, yeah, it, when you watch it, it's so you just get this feeling of this. is not John Carpenter. I'm going to have to rewatch it because I don't remember anything about it. I didn't even remember that

Amber Heard was in it, but an institutionalized young woman becomes terrorized by a ghost. Okay, I don't even remember that much, but I guess I'll have to do it next year for 31 days

of horror as soon as I find it. But, yeah, vampires, 1998. It was streaming on Amazon, but then once November hit, a lot of the horror films just went right back to rentals. But I already owned it, so I needed to see it. But other means, if you guys don't want to rent, it's there. Definitely check it out. You got a plan B?

Yeah, it's the same as plan A. You got any fresh ideas? Yeah, what we should have done in the first place. Shit! Come on, you mindless motherfuckers! All right, everybody. On to the next film. Again, John Carpenter.

And this is John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars. Police officer, anybody there? We've got a situation here. On August 24th. My job should bring you back to stand trial. I ain't going back. Prisoners she's watching We need us and we need you

We'll be watching her back Come on Ghost of Mars Ghost of Mars Damn girl I like you all ready When it are opens everywhere August 24th

Ghost of Mars August 24th 2001 The budget was 28 million Ooh they took a hit The box office was only 14 million Well, it got my money. He got my money in the theater.

I was watching something when Ice Cube was talking about it. He said he won't watch it. He said it was just, he said it was terrible. But then why did you do it? But I mean, it's not like he needed the check. I'd rather watch this movie than, what was it, Triple X State of the Union? Yeah, see? I mean, actors, you can't be in every blockbuster.

I mean, I like Ice Key. I like his music. Some of his movies weren't the greatest, yeah, like Triple X or whatever the hell that one was. Was they going to make another one with both of them? he uh he showed up into the one van diesel came back in he had a cameo that last one yeah

fuck i need you rewatch it oh that's right at the end okay i only seen it the one time i know i got it somewhere here in the library i left that steel book grabbed me and i went all right i'll buy it um i don't have the first two that first triple s was garbage as well as the second one um i think i would like the snowball morning scenes? No.

Man, what were you two thinking? I thought the last one was good. The disease when I went seated. We enjoyed it. But anyway, that's another show. Ghost to Mars. Long inhabited by human settlers, the red planet has become the manifest destiny

of an overpopulated Earth. Nearly 640,000 people now live and work all over Mars. mining the planet for its abundant natural resources. But one of these mining operations has uncovered a deadly mother load, a long dormant Martian civilization whose warriors are systematically taken over the bodies of human intruders. Brian, what did you think of John Carpenter's Ghost of Mars? I know this is not a popular opinion, but I like this movie.

I liked it when I've seen in the theater. And I still like it today. I know when I posted that I was watching it, people were like, why? And I like Ice Cube. I thought Natasha was an henstridge was good in it. You know, I totally forget that Jason Statham is in here. Jason Statham with hair. That's how far this goes back.

Of course, you got the lovely Pam Greer is in here. Not long, but it's good to see her in the movie. And I just thought it, I dug the action. I thought, I thought this was, this was something a little, a little different from John Carpenter that we were used to. And yeah, dug it. And I, like I said, how the ward didn't feel like John Carpenter, this felt like John Carpenter, from the action to just the way it was directed, the music. and shit, even what's his name shows up? Louis Skullnick from Revenge of the Nerds.

What is his name? Robert Carrey. Yeah, he pops up in here too. I'm just, I love it, man. I dug the action. I thought it was kind of, I like the look of the people, the ghosts, I guess you would just call them, that inhabited these people,

and it made them cut themselves up and mutilate themselves, pierce themselves. I liked all that. I fucking hated the way they talk, though. That, you know, it didn't even sound like a real language, really. And that was probably one of my few gripes with this, but I still love this movie. It was Martian talk.

That's how they talk. Oh, uh. I'm with you, man. This movie was fucking badass. I mean, I saw this at the end of its run. people were like I'm always garbage with John Carpenter's losing it he needs to retire

he needs to stop making films and I was like man I mean what it couldn't be that bad at this point it couldn't be as bad as vampires and I was like all right man again I love Ice Cube

Natasha Hintrae she's badass species if you guys don't know that check that one out Jason Statham he's badass and everything he's in I love I love Sela Duvall. I know she pops up in a lot of movies. Pam Greer. You can't do this without Foxy Brown. And you also got Duane Davis and Lobo Sebastian. Peter Jason. He pops up in a lot of John Carpenter's films.

And he was the, not the conductor, the train operator. And then Robert Carradine, he's in it. He's badass. but what surprised me in this film is one of my homies from Oakland. His dad is in this. His dad's name is Rodney A. Grant. He's a Native American actor. A lot of you know him as Wins in his hair from dances with wolves. And I can't remember what his name was in Substitute. That's one we need to do the substitute with the first two, the one with Tom Berringer,

then the one with Treat Williams. Those are only two I liked. I didn't see. I only saw the first two. I think there was a third one. Didn't, didn't, uh, I think there's four. Oh, there's four? I think so. Ah, I guess we might have to fall down that hole. Anyway, yeah, um, my buddy, uh, uh, uh, Kichita, uh, in his, in his language, that means warrior. I think that's a badass name. But anyway, yeah, when, when Rodney A. Grant popped up on

the screen and I was like, well, what the fuck's he doing in this? But I mean, yeah, you got to act, you take, uh, whatever you can take. Um, this film was actually filmed, uh, on a, uh, I think it was an Apache reservation in, uh, New Mexico, um, because there was a lot of, uh, Native extras in this. They were, uh, the Martian, the guys that were all possessed by the ghosts, because you can clearly tell, uh, which ones were Native American. So I was all about that. Shit. Okay, I got remind my friend about this film. Oh shit. He wasn't a substitute. He was Johnny Glades.

He was the bad guy. Yeah. What? Let me see. I'm trying to find exactly where they film this. Let me see. Production. Much of the film was shot

in New Mexican Japan. Gypsy in? I don't even know what that is. The Red Martian landscape. It doesn't say. Watching the extras is how I learned that they had filmed it. Some of it on a res. And I guess when they did

the scouting for locations, a lot of stuff they built, like the train and the buildings and everything on there. But they found. found this nice little canyon where they just sprayed, like red colored paint or whatever, all over the rocks to make it look. And I'm sure the lighting helped as well to make it look like the angry red planet. So, but I love this film.

I thought it was badass from beginning to end. I mean, another thing that I love about this film, other than John Carpenter helped write the music. he got some awesome musicians to do the score. I'm a huge thrash metal fan, and my all-time favorite thrash metal band got to do the soundtrack, and that's anthrax. So I was totally on board. I do have this soundtrack.

Also, they got the great Steve Vi. He came in and did some guitar tracks, as well as the legendary Bay Area legend, buckethead. came in and did some of the guitar work as well. If you have the Blu-ray or DVD, watch the extras when they show them when they're scoring the film. So I thought that was really cool. I think other than John Carbrenner's name on it, I mean, like I said, Anthrax is my favorite band.

Hearing that they were doing the soundtrack, I was all on board. Speaking of them, last year's Texas Fridmare, I went to the anthrax panel because Scott Ian and Charlie Bernante. We're there at Texas Frimer. It was their first time doing a panel, and everyone was just throwing, they were just throwing music questions at him and everything. But I threw the question at him. They were like, how did you guys get involved with John Carpenter? They were like, well, he kind of found us and said, can you guys help?

And he was like, yeah, shit, well, fuck yeah, you're John Carpenter. We'll do it because they loved everything they had done up to this point. They didn't have good things to say about the film, but they were like, we got to work with John Carpenter. So that that was good enough. So but I loved it. I mean, I loved it. This was a science fiction film, a science fiction action film.

I guess you can throw a horror in it as well. I mean, I think mainly for the appearances of the possessed humans with the Martian ghosts that are in them. I thought that was pretty cool. I did like how they looked. I mean, how once they got possessed, they like, lost it and they were cutting themselves and jamming nails and stuff into their faces and all that. I did like the main dude that was the, I guess, assumed the leader of the Martians. He had a stupid name.

And they didn't say his name in the movie, but in the credits they called him Big Daddy Mars. Okay. Yeah, I'm like, all right. Because a lot of them were just, the other other credits were just minors. What's his name? Harry J. Knowles. You guys know him from, what is it? What's his website?

Ain't it cool? I don't think he's. Oh, yeah. I don't think he's a part of that anymore. I think, I don't know. He did a cameo in this. One of his heads was on the spikes. But, I mean, this movie was badass for what it was.

I mean, the action was good. I loved everybody in it, even once Cube came into it, and he was just being the hard ass that he was. I didn't really care for his wardrobe, but, I mean, he's Cube. He does what he does. He's got this one tough-ass gangster character that he plays.

Not in all his films, but, I mean, majority of them, I mean, that's what he's America's most wanted. If you haven't heard Ice Cube's first album, Not to me, that's his, the definitive ice cube. That album is his bad ass from beginning, every track from beginning to end. But, I mean, everything in this, I mean, I thought everybody that had their parts in it, I mean, even Pam Greer, she's only in it for a little bit. She played Commander, Helena Braddock. I mean, I thought she was good.

She looked awesome in it. I loved her wardrobe. She had this badass long leather duster and fucking everyone had machine guns. what's her name Natasha Hinstridge Lieutenant Melanie Ballard She's just hot period No matter what she was doing in the film She looked awesome

Jason Statham You guys all know him He played Jericho He's badass and everything He's in as well But there was some little side guys in it That you kind of really didn't know So you knew they were going to die

But once Ice Cubes his crew comes into play They have their names were just Uno Dose and Thres that's what they called himself Lobo Sebastian he's done a ton of films he's always

the gangster guy I think I loved him most in that one movie with Samuel Jackson when they were in that school 187 yeah I liked him he was Benny Chacon

I liked him in that and then there was another movie he had done I want to say it was like road dogs but I can't remember his name he had some crazy name in that one uh was that in the 90s or was that early 2000s um oh oh that was the movie he did right after this and road dogs he was gramps but he had done a ton of other film so it was cool to for for him when he popped up into it as well as my buddy's dad it was awesome to see him in it as well the native representation uh in in on mars so i thought that was awesome but i mean this this whole movie was fucking

badass i don't care what anyone says i mean i didn't um trying to think of something i didn't like i mean it was it was basically like uh kind of like a space western these guys roll into this town and uh trying to stop the bad guys and that was awesome train scenes and then the trains were always in in those westerns you can even consider the first film we talked about vampires that was kind of like a western man you got you got the two the two good guys chasing down the bad guys out in the in the southwest so that was totally a western a horror western if you want to call it that but this is definitely uh i would say a sci-fi western as well it had that vibe so i really enjoyed all of that and again i can't really think of anything

that that i didn't like in this film it's goofy yes i'm i'm not saying it is it is isn't, but I mean, I really enjoy this film. And do you have anything negative that you can think of? Other than, as you put it, Martian talk, I didn't care for, but no, I can't. I'm trying to find who was the one that I was saying, why are you watching this? I think it was Lance. I want to say it was Lance. You got to count Lance out. Brother Lance, you know, I love you, bro. I'm, you. I'm here for you. You know that, but come on. Some of the stuff you like, come on, win boy.

But anyway, what year does this supposedly take place? 2176. This is what it says on IMDB. And 2176, a Martian police unit is sent to pick up a highly dangerous criminal at a remote mining post.

Upon arrival, the cops find the post has become a carnal, a carnal house. All right. Whatever. Yeah, I mean, basically, um,

uh, Lieutenant Ballard, Melanie, uh, Natasha Hedstrid. She is, uh, and she kind of wakes up on a train and she has to go to court,

uh, to, or not court, but she has to go to explain to the higher ups on what, what happened. Because they were sent there to pick up. up Ice Cube's character. I did, okay, that's something I didn't like that.

I didn't like his name. Was it? Desolation Williams. Yeah. Yeah. I was kind of like, her. All right. She just called him Williams and left it at that, but desolation.

All right. I guess that's, okay, I got another thing I didn't really like. There's a scene when, uh, um, the, uh, Melanie, Natasha. She gets, uh, taken over by the aliens. When one of the ghosts go in her ears and she kind of she sees what's happening on who these aliens are. I liked the design of the actual aliens that you see in her vision, but whoever did the CGI for it, it didn't look good. I think that was one of the things that I didn't really care.

They show it really quick, but it just wasn't good. CGI work for for the actual how the Martians looked So I was kind of like Yeah, all right I mean if they didn't even if they didn't show that at all Or just didn't show what they looked like I would have been fine with it because I did like the

It looked like a mist like a red mist I thought that looked cool Um And I liked What the what what the how they look how they saw Everybody Like the camera would be all red and kind of just not really in focus. I thought that that looked when it was a PV cam.

I thought that was cool. But yeah, I think Desolation, I thought that name was stupid. And the way the actual Martians looked, I think those are only two things that I didn't really care for. I remember it doesn't take anything away from what was going on. But anyway, so these team, they get sent there to go pick him up because he was, he got captured and he was being charged for all kinds of. of murders on Mars that they knew that was the reason why they were going to go get him to bring him back to headquarters and put him on trial for the murder of all these people that were killed so but when they get to when they get there is when I don't know why they didn't have um this is all in space and in the future why did they have like little spaceships to fly over there they had to do it old school and get on the train Yeah, how'd they get to Mars? I don't know.

But it was cool, though. I mean, I did love the whole train aspect. It was total model. Because in the beginning of the scene, when you see the train, you can clearly see it's just a little like a model train just on a track. So I loved all that. It was practical. They didn't go the CGI route with that. So I thought that was pretty cool.

So, but when they get there, they find out that the whole place is, is, is, like, isolated. There's, there's nothing because they say, well, it's Friday night. Where is everybody? They should be out of partying and banging hookers and doing drugs and all this. But they don't, they don't know what's happening in this. So they're kind of looking around and nobody's around. Because then they all kind of break up and then they're still looking for everything. I kind of, I liked, um, when, uh, uh, uh,

Melanie was telling the higher-ups her story, she would tell her story and show what she saw. And then when there was another character, and they're like, well, where was everyone else? And then, well, Commander Braddock, she was over here. But when she came back, this is what she told me. And then they show the perspective of what's happening from other characters like Jason Statham's character, Jericho they show some stuff that he saw and the stuff Pam Greer saw so I liked how they were doing that how it was all edited together and made the story go on so I loved what was happening but um why I mean they were still trying to find everything that

they found out they found Ice Cube but he he was locked up in a cell and he didn't he didn't know much he really didn't know anything because he was he was locked tied up or in a cell while everything was went to hell outside but uh i liked this scene when uh jericho when that when they're asking him uh what he had seen he because uh some some some some somewhere doing the uh them looking for for just people and survivors or whatever um they didn't show uh pam gris character died did they i mean they just no she just went off that way and disappeared right um oh yeah they didn't they just showed afterwards because that's when Jericho

found her her head on a spike because she saw someone walking he saw someone walking away so he followed him up this hill but then at the top of that hill and that little ridge you see all these spikes and there's all these

heads and that's when we see Pam Greer's head on a spike so that looked pretty sweet and that's when Jericho looked over and saw all the the people at this point they didn't know

what was happening and what was wrong with them because he was just looking at I'm like, I see all kinds of people up here but they're like hurting themselves and then they started killing each other and all this because they were like

cutting off people's heads and the big bad daddy Mars or whatever the hell's name was he's whatever the hell he was saying he could never just like talk normal. He always had to yell in Martian or whatever they were talking about. So Jericho saw that those guys were loading up with weapons.

This was another thing that I really loved. The weapons that all those guys had. They didn't have guns or anything. They just made swords and axes and everything. Like they just welded all kinds of shit together just to make a weapon. So whoever designed all those weapons, man, my hat's off to you because I thought all that stuff was badass. I think my favorite weapon was the one who's, look like I got a bunch of pairs of scissors and just welded them all together. They made like this whole little spikey looking thing.

I thought that was neat. So Jericho's like, fuck, yeah, they come. So he ends up hauling ass back down to the bunker. But he's calling everyone on the radio like, fuck, man, something's going down. We got to get the fuck out of here. Because he rolls down there. He, oh, this is when he finds ice cubes crew, those three guys. Because he kind of, they see him.

And then he hides in one of the buildings. And they kind of explained, well, who are you? Well, we were here and this fucking all this shit started happening. So we were just hiding because they knew that all those people were out there killing. Because then they tell him their story. Well, this is what we saw. we got here and they were looking down into that pit where Jericho saw and then he said everyone was down there working but then they saw this like that red mist come down and go into them he goes yeah man it just like took them over but then we took off before anything happened but then when they said they came back later they were like looking over and he said all those people were just mutilating themselves and they said whoever didn't turn over or turned into it. to whatever those things were.

They, and they were killing them. So, again, all the stories they were telling, I liked it. Because he meets them. Melanie, Natasha, and her crew, they find, again, they find ice cube. But then they find a few more people in a cell. And they were trying to ask them, well, what do you guys know? And they were like, oh, we don't know shit. And they said, well, I ask this one, she seems to know everything.

So she was kind of like, well, I just showed up in a way. brother balloon and I'm stuck here but later we do find out that she she knows a little bit more of the story because um Melanie she's the lieutenant she's kind of like we need to fucking tell me what you know and then she goes well I'm the one that caused all this I'm the one that opened pandora's box because then again they were all miners there she told in the story we found this there were they did some blasting in the side of this mountain and they found this, like a doorway, like a tunnel. And they said, it looked like it'd been there for who knows how long.

And it wasn't made by us, the humans. So they went into it. They walked way in, and there was like a wall. And there was all some kind of crazy alien writing or something on it. And then that chick, that was Joanna Cassidy. She was Dr. Arlene Whitlock. she was looking at the little description the little whatever writing that was on it on the door or that wall

but when she touched it it just like disintegrated and cg i wasn't the greatest but it served its purpose she touched it and then there was like another long hallway then all of a sudden you get it and then you see this like uh look like smoke or something coming out They're like, oh, fucks. Everyone just goes hauling ass out of there. And it was, I assume it was the tomb of the, of the ghosts, the Martian ghosts, because they came out. And that's, that was the red mist that came over and took over everybody.

Because she said, she got the fuck out of there before, uh, it got to her. So, but she, she, she, she was, she told them that she was the one that, that were, that unleashed it all. But she didn't know what it was. And she didn't know all this was going to happen. happens. So, I think everyone's kind of hip to, okay, this is what happening, and we need to stay away from it. So how did that one? Oh, was that, was one of those, that old man, was he already infected or possessed when they found him? No. Remember, they found that one chick that was hiding in the locker. She was all crazy. And then I think Clea Duvall had killed her. And then the spirit.

went into the old guy. I think that's how it went down. All right, that's right. Because he was sitting there, and then it went in his ear, and then he just kind of perked up a little bit, but then they didn't do anything. But then before they actually let them out of that, at that little cell,

that's when they noticed that he was cutting himself and doing all that, so they got them all out. But because the doctor chick, she told him, she's like, look, fucking you can't kill him because whatever was in, comes out and that's when they're like oh what the fuck they didn't know what was going on that's when it went into um uh natasha's uh Melanie a lieutenantant baller that's when it went into her ear and they're like oh fuck and then she kind of like just passed out but um before all

that that they uh they let ice cube out and then that's when his three buddies showed up and then they showed up and they kind of locked them up and then they told them like, look, you guys need to help us because if you don't help us try to stop what's happening, I mean, we're all going to die.

So Q was like, all right, man, let's just, let's team up with them. So, were they all just making weapons after they all started to team up? Yeah, making what they could, a little explosive, little grenades,

because that's the scene where, name Lobo the cusses his thumb off trying to show off for the chick what the hell was he sucking on drugs I guess some kind of little little nitrous thing he kept sucking on that and yeah you you know they got weird drugs in the future they always come up with

something weird yeah whatever it was I mean it was obviously didn't give them took away the pain because yeah when he was they were basically just putting holes in those cans like cans of dog food or something and they were sticking

those little they were like igniters they didn't they didn't do nothing that's uh well they kind of made a loud pop that was it

but they were making grenades out of those throwing those in the in the cans yeah that's when he chopped the top off and ended up cutting his thumb off this part was kind of stupid

I mean It makes me laugh Because after he cut After Lobo cut his thumb off Ice Cube was like That's beautiful I was kind of like Oh really

But We didn't write it I can kind of see how Ice Cube Just didn't really care For this film And I'm sure Working with John Carverner And it was a check

But You gotta Just go with it man You're an actor Man You fucking I mean There is an audio

for this film. It's not just Brian and I who love this film. There was a lot of other people that love this. I mean, a lot of people didn't see it in the theater. They saw it afterwards, but it is definitely in my library. I love this film. I'm still waiting for Show Factory or one of these guys to

put out a new one. Mainly Show Factory, because I love, like I said, love when they do their cover arts. I think that would be pretty sweet. And then they always loaded up with extras because there ain't much on this disc. but so they all team up and they're finally gonna tell them to all right we need to get to this train and then get the fuck out of before all these guys end up trying to kill them um

shit this is when I get lost after they after they loaded up with with everything then then what happened did they get on the train no they run to the train and it's not there and they're kind of like what do we do now and that's when ice cute has his bad moment where he just like kill him all he's running you know two machine guns shooting everywhere and then they have the big fight some of this could have been because there was some slow motion I didn't think the slow motion was needed but some of it was badass but uh like the clear do no I don't think it was Cleo Duvall. I know the random random other guy

that he gets killed and I think Lobo gets killed because I think he blows himself up yeah he died the big black dude Duane Davis, Uno

he ended up getting taken down the other officer you didn't really know he he went out kind of like a champ he was blasting up every one but when those guys started throwing those circular sawblades, because it took him to the leg, and then he took one to the throat.

And then I think that's when he went down. Because they all mobbed on him. Oh, but before all this happened, there was a scene when they were still kind of looking around. And they, Jericho and Melanie, Lieutenant, They show, they kind of find this, it looked like a little Jeep or one of the little cars that they drive around him. And they were looking at it because when lieutenant was explaining it to the higher ups, she was like, yeah, there was a guy in there.

And he was like telling us, like, don't, don't come in here. Don't let it out. And she was, at that point, they didn't know what it was. like that guy that was inside the little thing he was uh it was in him it was possessing him but he still had enough uh strength to like give them a warning like don't don't let it out that's what he was saying because they they did go inside and and you can hear what he was saying like don't let it out it's in here and um that's when they at that point they still didn't know uh what was happening but she had skipped over the whole scene when uh the ghost went

into her. When it went into her into the lieutenant, Natasha Hestrid's character, they didn't know what to do because they did that lady go, well, there ain't nothing we can do. So we got get her out of her. I don't know why they didn't just kill her, but she's the star of the film. So they just put her outside

and then she was taking some kind of mind-altering drugs. I don't know, some little pills, because she took one in the beginning of the film. And all she was seeing was waves crash. All right.

But when they took her route and Ice Cube gave oh hey, well, this is hers. It was her little necklace. And then Jericho's, where'd you get that? And I stole it. And then so he goes, he goes, what is it? And he goes, oh, it's her stash. So he ends up opening it up. And he goes, all right,

well, I'm going to give her one of these. Maybe she'll go out happy and maybe whatever's in her won't like it. So he dropped that pill in her mouth and then they went back inside. She's laying on the ground like kind of twitching around. Her eyes are rolling back. She's seen her her vision, her high vision of waves, but then she started, that's when she started to see the aliens. And this is when we see the crappy CGI of what the aliens actually look like. And she was kind of seeing what the what the aliens. and see. But then I guess

that drug or whatever, the ghost, the alien ghost, the Martian ghost that was in her, didn't like it. So it kind of just, she kind of sat up and just like, ugh, like threw up, but she threw up all the the red mist, the ghost or whatever,

because it came out of her throat and just went wherever. And then that's what she kind of came to and was like, hey, I'm all right. And she ended up sneaking back in there and pounding on the door. Hey, it's me, it's me. I'm good. I'm all right and they're like she looks all right so they just opened the door

left back in this is when she told them what she had seen what the Martians what they were doing so that is when they all loaded up with their weapons and then they went out and got to the train and nothing was happening that's when Q pulled out his guns and everybody

excuse me started having their shootout a lot of the people that they were with them they ended up getting killed but they all jumped on the train and they were hauling ass out of there. But the lieutenant kind of said, look, man, we need to go back.

We need to just kill all of them before they get back to, I guess, the next town over. Because I assume there was mining colonies all over Mars at this point. So the she goes, we got to go back. We got to kill all of them before they get to some. else. But then I was thinking if they did,

well, I guess they did kill a lot of them, but then when you kill them, the ghost is come out of the bodies, but I don't know. Anyway, so... Yeah, they just basically made it so they can easily

get across Mars. I assume that's what happened, especially at the end, but we'll get to that in a minute. They, uh, they kind of come up with a plan. All right. We're going to, we're going to stop here and we're going to kind of go in there. And basically that whole mining thing, that mining plant was like a nuclear bomb.

So they were going to ignite it and then blow up the whole town. So, but they go there. And they're trying to start the, the countdown for everything before it blows up. Because again, they gave them so much time within, uh, the, the blast radius that we need to be this far away. or we're going to die too. So with that plan, I mean, they ended up lighting it up and everything. But then as they're trying to get back on the train, this is when pretty much the rest of the crew gets killed.

Because the Big Daddy Mars, he sees them. And then because they get off the train, but then the train kind of goes back to that little station. And they're all jumping on it, pounding on it. And it was basically a diversion so they can run in. and get that bomb going. But Big Daddy Mars sees him, so everyone he starts,

whatever the fuck he was saying. And everybody goes running after him. I like this part because, what's her name? Seela, she's like just, she's just gunning down, fools,

they're throwing grenades, everybody's just firing everywhere. The CGI wasn't the greatest right here because she gets one of the circular saws to her neck and cuts her head off. It looks dumb, but, hey. Late 90, CGI.

She ends up getting killed. Jericho gets, like, swarmed. Because he's out there, he's shooting, but then he runs out of bullets. And then that's when all those dude, Martian dudes just, like, rush him. And then he can, ah, he falls down, and you just see them hacking away at him.

They don't show the aftermath of him, but he ends up getting killed. What's his name? Robert, uh, Robert Carreydine got killed. All the Ice Cube's guys got killed. The big black guy got killed. The Indian guy, Rodney Grant, he got killed.

He got, like, hitting a shot or something. I don't know, stabbed with something. He ended up dying when they were inside. Lobo, he ended up getting killed. The other officers, Robert Caradine, he took a circular sawblade to the throat, and he fell out. how did the the driver of the train get killed do you remember no I think somebody got on the train

and got him no he got off the train he jumped out because he was trying to help shoot and then he got hit with I don't know spears or something because he remember him falling down when he was outside so the whole train crew is dead the one of those only two guys on it those two are dead

uh they all jumped on um Ice Cube and the lieutenant, because their whole crew was dead. Everyone was dead. It just came down to those two. They jumped on the train. But then some of the alien guys, warriors, they all jumped on the train too because Ice Cube was fighting them and everything. And then he kind of got to the back of the training. They were like, they were trying to haul ass out of the before the whole thing blew up.

And I guess they were dragging too much weight. So they were going to disconnect the rest of the car. so they can get away because Ice Kid was fighting Big Daddy Mars and kind of kicked him over into the next train. And then he pulled the pin and then that train car fell apart. And as they're going away, you see Big Daddy Mars. And then the whole place blows him. Big Daddy Mars. We don't know his name until you see it in the credits.

Nobody said that That name in this whole film But So I get him Big Daddy Mars and all his crew They all end up Blown up Ice Cube is talking to lieutenant

And they're like telling her like Because she got hurt She uh, I think she got like stabbed or cut or something So she's laying there In her bed and he's kind of like Ah, you'll be all right We'll just stitch you up and you'll be good to go But he ends up handcuffing her to

the bed and telling her, look, man, I can't let you take me in. I need to get out of here. So she pulled a gun on him, but she wasn't going to kill him. So she's like, ah, fuck. So he ends up jumping off the train. And that's the beginning of the film when the train

gets to the end of the line, and that's when they find her. So she's still sitting there telling him the story and they go, well, she goes, that's it. But then the council or whatever wasn't believing her. So she was telling them, what, you expect us to believe all that shit.

And they're like, well, that's what happened. If you believe me, you believe it. But she ends up basically end up locking her up until they really figured out what was going on. Because I guess they were saying that we're going to send some more, a more crew over there to see what was left. But then while she's sitting in there, did you start hearing explosions and everything? Yeah, explosions. And I think you start hearing some gunfire. said. Yeah, because she's sitting in there. She don't know what the hell. She's sitting in a cell.

She doesn't know what's happening. And then the fucking door busts open. And here comes the Desolation Williams. And he kind of gets her out and gives her some, I don't know where he got these chrome looking machine guns. They're like extra shiny. He gives her one. He goes, all right, time for us to do what we do best. And they go, all right. And then I can't remember the dialogue that says something stupid. And then I, I can't remember the dialogue that says something stupid. and then Ice Cube looks at the camera as they walk off and then the movie's over. I just assume that all the ghosts, everyone, their bodies, their hosts, they blew up in the blast, and then they all got out and made it to where they were and then infected everybody and then all held breaking loose outside.

So I had just assumed that's what happened. And then they don't know what happened to Desolation Williams or Lieutenant Ballard. Because they just assumed they went out there and started killing and got the hell out. I was kind of hoping for a second one to maybe she became bad. And she was a criminal. And they're still trying to fight their way off of Mars. But we never got another one. We don't know what happened to them.

But again, I thought this movie was fucking awesome. And I loved every minute of it. Yeah, I agree. Bad-ass movie. I do now that we're talking about it, I do question his motives for coming to get her after he couldn't even go nowhere near where she was going. And he showed up with a new outfit and chrome machine guns.

And it was weird he gave her one. because that just seemed like you just got to keep the set. So I don't know. Yeah, why did he go get her? I mean, well, he obviously trusted her because she let him go. So. And how do you know where she was? I don't know.

I mean, these are a lot of questions where we're not going to get any answers from. Yeah, and this is the most lax police force ever. he got in there by himself. Yeah, well, I guess it would have been easier because he just, all hell was breaking loose outside. So just easily roll right in there, but I don't know. I mean, I wish they would have kind of showed some of that, but we didn't see anything like that.

I was thinking like in aliens. built those big old giant air filtration things to make the air breathable because they did mention that and this because they were like yeah that whatever they're using to make the air breathable is it works but you you got to get used to it because I said it was going to give you a bad headache and everything but nobody seemed to have headaches I know they had said they said okay where whatever whatever so you won't get those headaches and I don't know what that was.

I mean, you didn't see them. I mean, all they had were goggles on. I mean, they didn't stick anything up their noses. But I don't know. Let me see. Much of the location shooting was done on a gypsium mine near Albert Kirkky, New Mexico. The gypsian, which was almost pure white, was sprayed with a biodegradable red food dye and gave the appearance of a Martian landscape. All right.

That's what they sprayed all over them. So, but yeah, they shot at some of it on some res. I can't remember the tribe that's out that way. But it was what it was, man. I mean, I loved it. I mean, it's definitely a good sci-fi shoot-em-up. Pretty graphic violence in this, especially when they're cutting heads off and all that and everything. Or basically, like, self-mutilating themselves because they were shoving like nails and all kinds of shit in their

face and in their necks. I just, again, whoever designed the weapons and whoever came up with the design for the looks of the possessed people, possessed humans, I thought they all

looked pretty good. I'm reading here. This is interesting right here. In 96, the script to Ghost of Mars originally started as a potential Snake Pliskin sequel entitled Escape from Mars. Yeah, I remember hearing that before.

Why not? Couldn't hurt. We already got to escape from L.A. I mean, it wouldn't have hurt. It would have been cool to see Snake Pliskin again. Okay, I didn't see this trailer. The narrator on the trailer was Keith David. David Keith

I never saw that trailer I mean if you guys know Keith David and David Keith the running joke here at the horror returns network who what were you guys talking about when that all erupted

we was doing a I think it was a John Carpenter retrospective where we were just talking about him and his movies and I think Lance was talking about the wrong person and then went into this whole story about how somebody was dead and then we just started Googling stuff and then we were just like, no, you're talking about the wrong guy and we went into this whole rabbit hole of Googling and clicking on stuff and Wikipedia and I don't even remember what episode that is,

everyone you have to go back and find it it's way bad what what uh how many episodes have you guys done now uh we just recorded i think uh 133 okay okay yeah well we're about to hit 200 uh with the east society uh should have been out by now everyone but you know how it goes well with us at the east society we do it when we can but it's coming Hopefully, I can hook up with the Zsu and throw that one out pretty soon. But vampires, John Carpenter's vampires and John Carpenter's Ghost of Mars. If you guys have not seen this, I would say watch Ghost of Mars first, then Vampires. Definitely watch both of them.

I mean, they are what they are. But Ghost of Mars, I think that one's more on my high ups of John Carpenter films. well, maybe after all the 80s stuff, then I would put this one because there was, it was just way too many good ones in the 80s dealing with John Carpenter. So anything else where we get out of here? No, I agree with you. If you're going to watch them, watch this one first. More action, better cast.

And, yeah, I think this is that's the way to go. we watch this one and then of course watch John Carpenter's vampires and the ward if you guys find it I don't know if it's streaming anywhere but won't you let everyone know what we're covering you let everyone know we're covering next week

next week we are going to cover American Ninja 1 and 2 with I believe starring Michael what is it Duda car all right I've only seen the first one. I don't think I've seen the other ones.

How many did they make? You know? Who knows? It's probably like four or five of them. I don't know if we'll go down that rabbit hole. All right. Okay, there's American Ninja, American Ninja, two, the confrontation. American Ninja 3, Blood Hunt.

Doesn't look like the first guy's in it. He comes back for American Ninja 4, the annihilation. Then, oh, that's something else. Oh, American Ninja 5. He ain't in that. Someone else again. All right, yeah. This will definitely be awesome because I have not.

You know what? I think the only time, well, no, I saw. I remember when it hit cable, but I did see this in the theater. But we'll get into that more when we cover it. But if you guys want to watch it and enjoy the conversation, they're both streaming on Amazon Prime if you have that. So, yeah, get ready for American Ninja.

I'm excited because I do not. not remember that movie at all. So, it would be, we, we like watching it for the very first time. Again,

everyone, thank you so much for listening. Do go back. If you're new to the action return, to go back,

17, shit, I didn't realize how many, what was the first one we did? Do you remember? What was it?

48 hours, and, what was it? No, Guy Hardy 3. Was it? Yeah, because we did the unlikely partners. Okay.

I don't remember. Yeah, the 17 episodes, 16 episodes plus this one, back to shit, man. We're doing pretty good. I mean, I thought we were still in a single digits. But all right. Yeah, everyone, thank you so much for listening. Do go back and listen to all the older episodes. If you're new to listening to our show, the action returns.

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