The Horror Returns - THR Bonus Ep. - Hannibal Season 1, Eps. 4 & 5

Episode Date: December 21, 2025

This week, Brian and Lance bring you another Patreon Exclusive episode with the continuing saga of everyone's favorite cannibal. Thanks for listening!   ...

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Starting point is 00:00:40 ...the... ...their... All right. Welcome back, everyone, all patrons, and everybody, once we release it later, because that's the plan, if they're not mistaken. Is that right, Brian? Yeah, that is the plan. I say maybe Patreon first and maybe like a week later, release it to the public. But, you know, give the Patreon donors, you know, first dibs at it. Sounds like a plan to me, man. I mean, I definitely, I know we, and I do want to make a quick little announcement, Brian.
Starting point is 00:01:58 And all of our patrons that are listening, you guys mean the world to us. cannot tell you guys how much we appreciate this we've got plans to attend some to get back to Frightmare again like we used to do and we haven't done that in a few years but you guys are you guys are single-handedly going to make it possible so I just can't thank you all enough and our listenership has jumped quite a bit as well
Starting point is 00:02:26 yeah I think Philip brought it up on the last episode you know I kind of feel the same way you know I'm surprised we've got people listening especially day one's like Stephen Loblad and all the way to new listeners
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Starting point is 00:02:55 so we are going with our Hannibal season three I believe episodes four and five if I'm correct. Yes, sir. All right, so let's start with episode four, and I'm going to butcher these pronunciations.
Starting point is 00:03:10 It's called O-F. O-E-U-F. Not sure if that's the right pronunciation, but we'll... I could be mistaken, but are all these titles? Aren't they like food references? You know what? They are all food references, and I think this season is all French.
Starting point is 00:03:31 And I think season two, I looked ahead a little bit. I think maybe it's Japanese. Okay. So maybe we're going to do the world tour here, Brian. Sounds good. All right. So episode four, OF, a series of family murders takes place and Will determines that they were conducted by each of the family's missing children
Starting point is 00:03:52 who were abducted and brainwashed into killing their old families for their new family. against Alana's advice Hannibal checks Abigail out of the hospital for some frightening psychiatric practices that ultimately align her loyalty with him
Starting point is 00:04:09 now why does that not surprise me the guy's always a few steps ahead on everybody everything is calculated and playing down I'll tell you what man I am really getting into this Mads-Mickleson Hannibal Lecter
Starting point is 00:04:24 though he's he's great he's smooth and charming you know intelligent but at the same time frightening because you know what he's done and what he's capable of yep well you know the man has good taste right and i'm not going to lie i i know what he's eating i know what he's serving everybody but it it looks it looks good yeah uh i would say just show up and feast on whatever he's preparing, but just don't ask any questions. I mean, there's been a few times the questions
Starting point is 00:05:05 been asked of what it is, and I don't know if it was this episode or the next episode, but Lawrence Fishburn was enjoying his food, and he told him it was rabid. And then you kind of get a flash to Hannibal chasing someone down, then you get the next flash of him butchering it, and then serving it.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Lawrence Fishburn. Man, that, that's, uh, I would say that's some well done script. I'm, I'm not going to do any more food buns. All right. Let's see. Director Peter Medek, also known for the changeling. Wow. Um, and the ruling class.
Starting point is 00:05:48 Uh, you're not familiar with the ruling class. Are you? No. And is the changeling, the, old school horror movie or the Angelina Jolie changing movie? I think it's the old school, man.
Starting point is 00:06:03 I think it's the old school. I think this is a guy that's been around for a while. George C. Scott? Yep, the 1980. Yeah, George C. Scott, a.k.a. Native American. It's the changeling. Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:06:21 All right. So this is a direct... They're pulling in some... some heavy hitters man to direct these episodes it shows every episode we watched so far has been well directed
Starting point is 00:06:36 well shot yeah let's hope they can keep it up and hopefully by the time we're done with this they'll announce a movie or a new season right what is it Brian Fuller is that what it is? Yeah I think he's who started it yeah I think he keeps teasing that it's slowly getting
Starting point is 00:06:55 closer so but he is just streaming wars whoever wants to pick it out yes the pot is boiling all right
Starting point is 00:07:08 again no more punts here we go okay the title of is a common misspelling of the French word for egg usually accepted for technical reasons
Starting point is 00:07:20 when the ligature of O and E is not available I have no idea what ligatured means. The ligatured O&E is of more common usage in French than in English, and thus appears on French keyboards. There you go. That difficulty led NBC to make a further graphical mistake in the original titling of the episode, which referred to it as CF. Okay. And a little piece of trivia here.
Starting point is 00:07:49 Mads Mikkelson genuinely pricked his finger in the scene. with the fish hook so going all out for his for his art so Brian what did you think about this one man I was surprised not with the
Starting point is 00:08:10 the child the missing children are the ones killing their families but it was the actress they got to play yes I don't have I miss forgetting her name on top of my head
Starting point is 00:08:30 but I always every time I see her I was like a superstar Molly Shannon Molly Shannon that's who Classic Saturday Night Live alumni She was kind of terrifying She was Because I mean It wasn't anything she did
Starting point is 00:08:48 It was just the way she was talking to these kids you know, telling them, you know, the families we born in aren't our real families. You know, we get to choose our families and, you know, basically brainwashing these kids. And then, you know, we get the reveal of, I don't know if it was the first or second family that got murdered that, uh, apparently one of the kids didn't want to go through with it and they burned him alive. Yeah, kind of some, uh, kind of harsh punishment there. yeah um and the whole um conflict with will um feeling like he needs to to help these kids but at the same time feeling like he can't help them because what they've already been going through uh i'm enjoying
Starting point is 00:09:39 that whole conflict and then um trying to not get episode four and five mixed up but uh yeah this I call, or my notes, I put the cancer episode for number five. Okay, is that, is that this, that's number five? Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, so that's what I was about to bring up, but we can, we can wait on that. Yeah, this is the, the kid got so terrified that he pissed his pants when he was in. Yeah, because the oldest kid was, I kind of felt like he knew that the one kid wasn't going to be able to go through with it. And I think he was just kind of putting the fear into him, which was kind of scary the way they were at the store.
Starting point is 00:10:23 And the older kid was just lurking around the corner, staring at him. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty sinister kids here, huh? Yeah, because you can tell the older one, he bought full into whatever Molly Shannon superstar was, was whatever she was preaching. He was all in on it. Yeah. You know what? I kind of got some Lake Eden vibes here with that, you know, because like some of the, she was kind of like the asshole kid that was leading everybody around. And then I guess the one that got into it was maybe kind of like the black kid, which you guess it was a lot more gung-ho to do everything.
Starting point is 00:11:06 And then, of course, you got the ones that are, yeah, I mean, you can't blame these kids for not being so sure that. You know, not being completely brainwashed and not being so sure that this is the right thing to do, you know? Yeah. It's an interesting dynamic, but, yeah, I think Molly Shannon was a great choice for this role. I never would have expected that. And then we got a little bit more with the crew that Will works with. Kind of seems like one of the forensic guys doesn't like Will because he was kind of throwing shots at him. when they were talking about psychology and kids
Starting point is 00:11:45 and he made a comment he was like, you're you're definitely a only child and we'll kind of snap back at him you're definitely the middle child always seeking approval from one or the other you know. Sure.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Everybody's trying to psychoanalyze each other, right? Yeah, and I forget the character's name that the Asian chick she was kind of like reaching out the will basically I think it was in this episode basically like if you need to talk you know all you have to do is just say something you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pry into your business but I'm you know if you say something I'll be here talk you know I thought that that was pretty cool you know there there some of them are trying to build a relationship with Will because he's so
Starting point is 00:12:37 you know, closed off, which is perfectly understandable, you know, just what he goes through with just the fact that what he goes through trying to figure out these crimes and putting himself in the place of the killer and, you know, it's kind of cool
Starting point is 00:12:56 to see somebody actually, you know, reaching out to him because Laura's Fishburn, you know, we're kind of getting to these episodes where he's kind of been hard on him. Yeah, and I'm wanting to know how that dynamic is going to turn out. So I don't, I've read all the books and obviously
Starting point is 00:13:13 seen all the films, but I don't know, man. They've got, if they're doing a whole, you know, three seasons here, there's a lot of character development that we have in front of us. So I'm kind of curious how that's going to play out. One thing I noticed early in the show, did you notice that when Lecter got broke, kind of did some B&E there? And he got the dog just completely calm.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Like, you know, usually when somebody breaks into a house, the dog starts barking uncontrollably. But it's almost like Lecter not only manipulates humans, but he's like a dog whisper, too, you know? Yeah, he has some hidden talents there. You know, some will get into it with the next episode. But, yeah, he was definitely had his way with the dog. And then was just kind of, I don't know, getting more information. information on Will and saw the fly fishing stuff. Yeah, did you like Lecter's line about passion is good?
Starting point is 00:14:18 It gets the, it gets the blood pumping. Yeah. Of course, like I was telling you, I noticed that he served the beer in the glass, which kind of reminds me of the opening scene and, uh, shit, one of my favorite movies from 99, um, the one with space, Kevin Spacey in it. American Beauty, yeah. Yeah, so if you'll remember the beginning of that movie, his boss kind of tricked him, right?
Starting point is 00:14:44 He said, do you, so do you drink, he asked him, do you, do you have a minute? In his face, he feels real confident and secure in his job, and he says, for you, I've got to. And then his boss starts talking to him, and you can tell he's, he's setting him up for something, right? They ask him a weird question, like, do you prefer beer out of a glass or straight from the bottle? in space he says oh i like my beer in a glass and says well that's a shame because we really need a straight from the bottle kind of guy in your position i'll never forget that line but that that says a lot about lector man that he takes the time to you know well i mean you see him when he's cooking and preparing all these dishes like everything's perfect right like just like you would be like at a
Starting point is 00:15:29 at a michelin star restaurant and you know of course he takes the same care with the glass It seems to take that same care with a lot of things. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and so it's almost like if Lecter messes up and gets caught or something, it's like it's because he wants, he wants to, I would imagine. You know? Going off at that scene, how do you feel about the other therapist? I think we got a long way to go.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Yeah, I do know Lector. he'll start he'll start psychoanalyzing anybody like whoever's in the room whatever they say he's got a way to twist it and he's he always he always maintains control so like you were saying lots lots of talents I want to see how those develop but I don't know man I'm not
Starting point is 00:16:23 a lot of the side characters I'm interested in but not so sure about the other therapists at this point what her attitude just kind of pushes me away from that character you know she's very right just um like uh lector took the girl out of the where the i don't know the institution or whatever they had her wherever they had her right yeah hospital institution and she immediately found when she found out just blew up on them you know
Starting point is 00:16:53 not not really knowing because you know she's totally against hannibal and will because they've kind of taken like a paternal you know feeling towards her you know since her parents are gone and, you know, she's basically like, you know, you guys are not her father, you know, so I don't, I, I, I, you're right, we're going to have to see where, where this goes, because she's probably my least favorite character. Yeah, I like, uh, the reporter quite a bit. Yeah. I kind of like the way that they changed, changed her from, uh, of course, a male character. Wasn't it Philip Seymour Hoffman in the, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, big, big change there. which I'm eager to see where this goes. And she's not bad looking either. Kind of easy on the eyes. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Love that curly red hair, too. That opens up some possibilities. I wonder if there's going to be any seduction between her and Will at all. Because I know he's a hard guy to. I'm sure he's a hard guy to get to, right? Yeah. What was I going to bring up? The girl.
Starting point is 00:18:03 What did you think about the whole... Psychedelic T scenes. That was kind of cool, man. I think that that might be something that's going to be an ongoing theme here, because it definitely seems like Lecter understands the value of, you know, experimenting with psychedelics and expanding his mind and stuff like that. I'd like to see where that's going to go as the season progresses. I think that's...
Starting point is 00:18:32 And I like it wasn't... sprung on and sprung on her as a surprise. He told her what it was because she was like, you know, you want me to do drugs? And he was like, I want you to do this drug under my care. Absolutely. I kind of like the payout at the end when the other therapist came. And she kind of was, they were kind of morphing into her mother and father. And then she was just smiling. Right. And said, I see family. And I kind of, well, not kind of. I definitely felt like
Starting point is 00:19:03 handled. That was his end goal to bring her closer to, you know, because they have their secrets of what each other's done, you know. So I'm really interested to see where that character's going and
Starting point is 00:19:18 will he divulge more of what he's done to her since they got this close bond building? Oh, okay. Yeah, I could definitely see that happening. And so you're definitely of the mind that that he actually cares about.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Yeah. He's not just grooming her to use her as a tool or... I think he cares about her. Maybe a little beach. Yeah, I think definitely he cares about her. And I think definitely Will cares about her. But he's... Right.
Starting point is 00:19:47 I think he's kind of conflicted because he got the scene where he was going to give her a fly fishing kid to work on herself. And I think he didn't end up giving it to her. And I think the other therapist was kind of in his head trying to, you know, tell him to not get so close and involved. But I also think he generally cares about her, too. What did you think about that line here? I wrote it down. I liked it so much.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Is if you bond with your captors, you're okay. If not, your breakfast. I mean, as far as Hannibal's concerned, you know, you want to be on his good side. Yeah, no doubt about that, right? Because, I mean, they did have breakfast for dinner, and, you know, I don't know if there was any meat involved, but if there was, it most certainly probably was somebody. Yes, that's not bacon.
Starting point is 00:20:51 Yeah. Might smell like it when it's cooking, but it's not bacon. Yeah, man, overall, I really enjoyed this episode. I, Molly Shannon was amazing, which, I mean, obviously she's a talented actress. But I've never, I don't know if I've ever seen her play a sinister role. And I really enjoyed that in the whole Lost Boys angle, you know, with the kids and her creating families and stuff like that. This was actually one of my favorite that we've seen so far. I did a little bit.
Starting point is 00:21:27 I kind of wanted maybe a little bit more backstory. her character because the one kid asked her what about your real family and then the older kid was like we are her real family so he kind of cut that the whole explanation off
Starting point is 00:21:42 right so I would have kind of wanted to see what motivated her to kidnap children and then having them kill their families you know did this happen to her or or what but yeah she definitely was a
Starting point is 00:21:59 great role great role for her because like i said it wasn't anything she did is just the way she came off you know nurturing motherly but at the same time kind of sinister so ready to kill the whole family to get the kids on a killing spree huh yeah even like we brought up the scene of when the the kid had an accident and pissed himself uh-huh and you know she was nurturing then because she was like you know people people have accidents and you know this is this is not your fault you didn't do nothing wrong you know just you know kind of nurturing but then the next minute is like you know let's go kill your family now yeah she had the dichotomy going for sure didn't she which i kind of want to i kind of want to label sometime later on in the season maybe
Starting point is 00:22:54 we get an update on that kid Because he said he wasn't going to do it. Right. So I kind of wanted to know, was he really going to do it or was he not going to do it? And Lawrence Fishburn basically told him you're not going to be able to see your real family for a while. So you feel like we're going to get a payoff maybe later down. I don't know about payoff, but maybe because Will really seem to care about this case a lot, especially when it did. They got labeled the Lost Boys and he was trying to figure out how to help them.
Starting point is 00:23:31 I just maybe we'll just something will get mentioned sometime this season. It was a good angle, man. I give this episode a definite thumbs up. Yeah, me too. Probably my favorite so far of the series, I think, which is saying a lot, you know, because everyone we've seen has been really well done. so i don't remember are we doing scores on these or not no just doing a wrap-up right yeah you guys got the thumbs up in both thumbs up yeah all right uh ready to move on to five let's do it
Starting point is 00:24:09 all right so it's season one episode five or as i called it the cancer episode um and okay now this one i actually i'm gonna have a hell of a time pronouncing Coquilles, does not sound French, sounds more Spanish, but coquees, somebody's going to email us, I'm sure. Somebody's yelling. Okay, a murdered couple is found in a motel room, posed in praying positions. Now, how creepy was that? Very midsamar. Midsamar.
Starting point is 00:24:46 That's right. What do they call that, the flayed eagle or? The blood eagle. The blood eagle. Okay. The flesh of their backs open and strung to the ceiling to give them the appearance of wings. Using hairs collected from the motel pillow, the BAU team, discover several medications used to treat brain tumors in the killer's bloodstream.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Graham surmises that the killer is transforming his victims into guardian angels to watch over him because he is afraid of dying in his sleep. Wow. Okay, now, this is interesting. Director Germo Navarro, get this, dude. He hasn't directed any other films, but you might have heard of these two. He was a cinematographer on Pans Labyrinth as well as Jackie Brown. I've heard of those movies.
Starting point is 00:25:43 Yeah. All right, so the definition, Coquilis, any of various seafood or chicken dishes, baked with a sauce and usually served in a scallop shell or a shell-shaped serving dish. Sounds delicious. Hell yeah. Also, a cooking utensil for baking such dishes, usually a scallop shell or small casserole resembling a shell. And one piece of trivia here. When Jack and Bella Crawford are at dinner with Hannibal Lecter, Hannibal says to Bella, Mrs. Crawford, your husband introduced you as Bella.
Starting point is 00:26:19 Are you an Isabel or an Annabelle? To which she replies, I'm a Phyllis. This is almost a direct quote from The Shining. Save for the names when Dick Holleran says, Mrs. Torrance, your husband introduced you as Winifred. Now, you are a Winnie or a Freddie? And she replied, I'm a Wendy. So, yeah, that's for sure, man.
Starting point is 00:26:42 There's no doubt about that, right? Yeah. All right. So I guess let's dive in, man. Yeah, the Blood Eagle. What a way to start an episode. Very, very graphic. I do like the effects of how he sees the people.
Starting point is 00:27:01 They're walking around like flaming skulls or flaming their heads. I did like that effect. Right. Not as brutal as Midsomer because that guy was still alive. Yeah. But I thought this was another. scene, it just keeps making me think that this show is on network TV and I think this is probably why it eventually got canceled because of the graphic nature and I thought it was done really
Starting point is 00:27:34 well and I like the kind of jump back and forth to this guy killing people suffering from brain tumor and then we get introduced to Bella. Yes. We get a backstory on why he calls it Bella because they were both, I think, in the military and they were stationed in Italy or something. And all the guys were calling her, Bella, Bella, Bella. Oh, yeah, like, Chiabella. Yeah, so he was like, I'm going to make her my Bella, which he ended up doing, so.
Starting point is 00:28:03 Right. And like I said, on the previous episode, we got introduced to another one of Hannibal's talents. He told a story about one of his professors, I think it was, and how he was able to sniff out. that he had cancer which I think he was basically kind of letting her know
Starting point is 00:28:23 I know you have cancer because it's revealed that Bella is what stage three stage four cancer man yeah well you know they say dogs can do that or they say because they say that a lot of the time in like when people are in
Starting point is 00:28:42 a cancer ward or something like that dogs are smelling on them yeah the dogs can tell and I I think maybe even cats as well. I mean, obviously animals have so many senses that we don't have. Yeah, because he kind of drops his talent on him while he's, he has them both over for dinner. So who knows who they're eating this time. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:29:03 But he smells her perfume, and he's like breaking down all the little different things that are in her perfume. And then he names her perfume. And then that's when she was like, it's quite a nose you have. And then that's when he tells the story about the cancer, his professor with cancer. And I think he was kind of letting her know that I know you have cancer, which she ends up behind her kind of, I don't want to say behind her husband's back, but ends up seeing Hannibal on a patient, doctor patient level. Yep, yep. Because she has not revealed to Lawrence Fishburn that she is sick to the point where he's questioning. that she might be having an affair or she might she's doing something she's hiding something from me
Starting point is 00:29:52 and it's right yeah and that's man i i would much rather i hate to say but i've you know i'd much rather find out a j was like having an affair or something like that because that you can always work that stuff out but uh cancer man that's a that's a hard hard road hard yeah and as as far as she is too that that was a blow to to hear that and then eventually when he finds out I do like that he
Starting point is 00:30:23 asked her do you want to be alone either way I'm here for you and then she was like we'll beat this together and then he tells her no this is your fight but I'm in your corner I like I enjoyed that whole back and forth right there
Starting point is 00:30:38 yeah very very well done man so going back to the to the beginning of the episode or kind of early on, that is something that I thought was kind of strange. Was this the first time we've seen Will out like sleepwalking or has that come up in the previous episode?
Starting point is 00:30:54 Sleepwalking miles away from his home? Right. I think this is the first time and I think he mentions it later that being back doing these cases is
Starting point is 00:31:08 taking a toll on him. Yeah, definitely. Which Lawrence Fishburn kind of tells him, like, if you weren't doing this, you'd still be looking into it. So it's almost like, you have to do it, but you can't do it at the same time. So he's kind of a compulsion. Yeah, so he's kind of in a tricky place right now. Oh, yeah, for sure. Which, that whole scene was kind of crazy because the cops were like, you know, or have you been drinking?
Starting point is 00:31:37 Do you take medication? Do you sleepwalk a lot? And he was like, I don't even know if I'm awake right now. you know yeah that was like wow yeah well he didn't at least he didn't pull a rosan bar right yeah yeah he had a he had a friend with him he had a friend walking with him the whole time right one of one of his many dogs one of his many strays that he takes in yeah i don't think we really talked about that he he takes in strays and his whole house is he has a pretty big house for a single guy, and it's just dogs everywhere that he takes care, which I think that's
Starting point is 00:32:14 kind of cool. Yeah, and it's very, very interesting the way that, you know, he's that way with animals, and so is lector. Like, there's a gentle side or, you know, because animals know to fear a dangerous person. And it's, and it's also like he has replaced people with dogs. because he talks to these dogs and then you see him interact with people and it's very awkward
Starting point is 00:32:43 and you know I think he's essentially these dogs have become people for him to interact with instead of actual people absolutely dude my mother is that way she uh she was
Starting point is 00:32:59 very uh she was really involved in docks and rescue for several years at one point Brian she had over 20 dogs that she was taken care of. And they get to be quite expensive because she tends to adopt, you know, dogs that have special needs, like paralyzed from the, from the waist down, or, you know, they've maybe been abused or something like that. She has to take sure. Yeah, my wife, my wife want to do adopt, to kind of do the temporary foster home for dogs.
Starting point is 00:33:31 Yeah. But I told her it would never work because you would keep every single one. that's the problem yeah that's the problem and yeah mom she's finally uh since i've moved her up to new mexico she's finally downed i think only only three dogs and a cat now but she definitely needs to keep that cat to keep the the mice and the snakes and everything away oh definitely cats are good for that oh my my hand of elector line of the movie i'm gonna i think i'm gonna do this every every show brian all right sounds good okay so here's here's my favorite um office hours are for clients uh my kitchen is always open to friends he said that to will that that that that's saying that's really set up the dynamic with these two characters yeah i think i think that's another genuine relationship to i think he really he really likes will and i think his the way will is i kind of feel like
Starting point is 00:34:35 it's also a challenge to Hannibal to kind of... Oh, of course. Yeah, of course. Kind of crack will, you know, trying to get it, get into his head. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:44 And then when he gets into, like, telling him cruelty is a gift. So you see where he's going, right? So we're jumping back to the killer of the episode. Okay. He ends up... after he's killed a couple more people,
Starting point is 00:35:07 he actually does the same thing to himself, which, did he really do that to himself, or did he have help? How could he? I mean, that's kind of what I was wondering. It's like somebody had to be complicit in that, but they didn't go into that.
Starting point is 00:35:25 So, again, like what you said with Molly Shannon in the last episode, you would have liked to have known her backstory. You know, it certainly wouldn't have hurt to have, you know, a two-minute scene, right? Yeah, because they talk to his wife and they ask him, is he religious? And she was like, no, he's never been religious. Right. But everything he seems to be doing is, you know, for the Lord.
Starting point is 00:35:50 And, you know, he's fighting evil. And then we get the scene, Will is besides the sleepwalking, he's starting to hallucinate now. yeah how far is this going to go by the time we get to the you know the final episode here i think because he's going to continue to do what he's doing because you get the scene because he wanted to quit and then it was kind of an interesting scene where you know after the news that laurence fish i keep calling him laurence i'm just going to keep calling on laurence fish Okay. There you go. You know, he gets the news of his wife, and he's sitting there kind of thinking, and then Will shows up.
Starting point is 00:36:38 And he was like, I'm going to sit here until you talk to me. And, you know, we have all night, you know, which is basically the same situation he was going through with his wife. You know, I'm going to, I'm going to be here until you talk to me and let me know what's going on. So I think with Will, yeah, I think with Will, I think the situation's going to. going to get worse the more gruesome and you know difficult the cases get i think he's he's going to i don't know if he's going to completely check out but he's he's definitely it's going to be a lot more sessions with hannibal definitely well that's that that can only be a good thing right yeah maybe for hannibal because he seems to be right when he takes a liking to someone he seems to bring a
Starting point is 00:37:29 closer a little bit at a time now let me ask you this did you see the the film from last year saint maude yes and did you get serious saint maud vibes here yes from the guy and the visions he was having and stuff like that definitely so what's his backstory i mean what got him into this religion you know uh i think they said i don't know if he got into a religion because his wife said he wasn't religious but yeah he said he had a he had a near-death experience. Ah, okay. And maybe the
Starting point is 00:38:03 near-death experience along with the tumor kind of created this visions that he has and I don't know, maybe some of the medication
Starting point is 00:38:17 he was on too, because possible, yeah, or a combination of all of that, right? Yeah. Maybe when he had the near-death experience, he actually saw the afterlife. Mm-hmm. Maybe he had a martyrs situation.
Starting point is 00:38:34 Oh, yeah, that's right. Maybe he saw something or thought he saw something and maybe what he saw a scene was this mission he was on to rid people, which I think they said the people that he had killed were bad people. Yeah, I didn't catch that so much. I think the first couple, I think they had done something, which I thought was kind of strange because that kind of would lead you to believe that this episode kind of had a supernatural angle. Oh, you know what? It was. He was going after people that seemed to be guilty of something.
Starting point is 00:39:20 Yeah. So it was kind of like an avenging angel type scenario, I guess. You just blood eagle everybody. well you know again so here's the here's the thing with I'm sure we're going to run into this time and time again as as we go through the season but these are basically I mean you've got your ongoing storylines and character development but these are basically you know one-off stories so there's going to be a lot of unanswered questions you know there's going to be a lot of you know things where we don't get the whole backstory and I think we're just going to have to go with that yeah definitely because it's you know I don't want to call it typical but like you know like you know like superhero TV shows, you know, villain of the week, you know. A villain of the week, or Star Trek. Yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 00:40:04 They had to solve the problem of the week or whatever. Yeah. And they always did it all in the last 90 seconds. Yeah, by the end of the episode, everything would be taken care of, and you know you'd never see this character again. Ever again. Yeah, definitely getting those vibes, for sure.
Starting point is 00:40:23 All right, anything else on this one? No, another great episode. um totally in everything we've seen so far and talked about i completely enjoyed so i'm just looking forward to the next episode all right well we'll uh we'll be back next week for for what season or for episodes uh six and seven yep so we're moving right along so uh until hannibal attacks again i don't know bon appetit there you go Oh, Abidee, bitch!

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