The Horror Returns - THR Bonus Episode - Texas Frightmare Weekend (2018) & The Walking Dead Season 8 Recap (Re-upload)

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

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Texas Frightmare wrap up that we promised a month and a half ago or whatever. It's a bonus episode. It's a bonus episode, baby. I'm excited. And our Walking Dead recap of the All Out War season. Well, my excitement might not be so much there. Was it season eight, season nine, season seven? 28.

Season eight. Because they're leading in season nine. Yes, that's right. Oh, wow. Oh, we need to talk about theories, too, then. Yeah. At the end of this. Okay, this could actually be a pretty good one then.

So, all right, well, we'll start out with Frightmare. For the second year in a row, we had a presence there. For the second year in a row, Brian, you didn't join us, God damn it. I know. Thanks for reminding me. Son of a book. But we had a good time, man. We met up with Nez and a friend of the show, Patrick was there.

That was cool. So we all hung out, did a lot of extracurricular stuff. We played Cards Against Humanity. A couple of times in the room, that was pretty cool. And we were like the first night that we went there, I crashed pretty early. These guys gave me some kind of a brownie or cookie or what was it, Philip? It was a cookie. And the strengths were different on each one.

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. It took a minute to kick in. Well, you got to follow the rule of if someone tells you eat half, you eat half of the half. Oh, that's probably a good idea. You know, trust me, been there. When they say eat half and I ate a hole, what does that mean? You went too far. That's what happened.

Well, that's why I crashed out. However, we did get to meet a couple of people the first night. And when we walked in, who did we come upon first? Philip? Hmm. Racking my brain. Who did we? Andrew Lillard, Matthew Lillard was there.

Well, we saw Matthew Lillard. Yeah, he was in the first room. But if you'll remember. If you'll recall, we actually walked up on Little Andy. Oh, yeah. And we were hot to try it, right? Ready to get our sound bites. We were already kind of pissed off because we didn't have any interview set up this year.

Yeah. Which sucked. I feel like that they were a little more strict on what the press pass means this year. Which kind of begs the question, what's the point? I mean, aside from getting into the thing, which was cool. Right. So I'm not mad at that. True.

Yeah, their handlers were a little more strict, I think, on it. We got past a lot of the handlers and we're talking to the people, but they weren't really so willing to give the sound bite, especially little Andy. What's his name, Alex Vincent? Right. Yeah. Okay, so his buddy, the chick that was next to him, What was her name?

Oh, Christine Elise. Christine Elise. Okay. She was pretty cool. She gave us a quick sound bite and was very super friendly, even though we weren't buying anything from her. And Andy wanted us to buy something from him. That little shit. He was like, yeah, if you buy this $3,000 a good guy doll.

No, I'm kidding. Nah, he said, will you buy an autograph? And I'm like, you know what? I was thinking, you know what? You're Andy. You're not actually Chuckie. I mean, I love you, dude, but let's get real, man. Even though you've been a part of the franchise since the beginning, you're not really the star of the movie.

No, but that's cool, man. He just wasn't willing to give something away for nothing, so I get that. It's all good, man. He was there to make money like everybody else. It's a business. Yeah, but, yeah, but we didn't. We did get a quick sound bite from Christine Elise. Yeah. And then after that, I guess we kind of made the rounds.

We never ran into Adrian Barbou, even though Nez did at the Escape from New York screening the night before. Oh. How was the attendance this year? Because I heard it was a lot more people than last year. Oh, yeah. Man. It was packed from Friday. Yeah.

Like, it was. Last year? Too many people. Yeah. Last year when we went on Friday, it was totally empty. Mm-hmm. And we were thinking, oh, Friday's going to be the day this year. We'll come grab some sound bites from people because there's not going to be anybody there.

But it was packed like a motherfucker the whole time. And Saturday is the big day. Like, you couldn't hardly walk through there on Saturday. Right. Okay. Okay. Question. Now that you guys are like veterans of Texas Frightmare, do you guys see this possibly getting bigger?

to where they have to, like, change venues or... Yeah, that's what I'm kind of worried about. I think that they're going to have to. I don't think that place that they have them in is big enough. I mean, it's big enough to hold all the, all the, uh, celebs in it and stuff. Mm-hmm. But, I mean, with the way that all the lines and stuff were set up, like, there were, there were some of the celebs you couldn't even see because there were lines of people in front of them the entire time.

Yeah, true. Adrian Barbrough, I don't even know where she was at. I think it was because she was behind. behind lines of people. I never saw her once there. Yeah. I did speak with Tom Savin. She was hanging with Nez the whole time.

I guess so, man. I spoke with Tom Savini away from the actual convention. I got a chance to talk with him and visit with him. And he actually said that he actually told me that he'd been going every year since the beginning. And at first it was in some strip mall, like a little, yeah, like an empty business type thing. And there were only like five or six. guest the first two years. Oh, wow.

Yeah, and he said it grew from there, and this is like the 13th year. He said, you know what? Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be able to stay at this venue, but it sure is convenient being able to just fly into the airport and walk over to the venue. And stay there? Yeah, no shit. So that's kind of the bad part. It was really awesome, though, being able to stay there this year, right, Phil?

Yeah, because it's set up in the, like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, bottom little spot of the of the hotel. So they've got, you know, like conference rooms and shit down there that are filled up with, with celebs. Oh, they don't. And it's at the airport. And so we actually got to stay at that particular hotel this year. So that was pretty cool. Mm-hmm.

So, you know, walking around at the bar or, you know, eating breakfast or whatever, it's very likely you could see one of these people that are just coming to, get some food or drinks or whatever. Although one thing about this year that was different from last year, and I think a lot of it had to do with how fucking packed it was, none of the celebs were in the bar, man. I know, right? That fucking sucked, dude. Last year we met everybody down there.

Yeah, that was awesome. Everybody was just hanging out last year. Saturday night at the bar last year. After they closed down the autographs and before they did the after parties? Yeah, the nighttime parties and stuff. because the celebs are all hanging out at the VIP party, which you have to pay to get into. We tried to just walk in last year.

It didn't work out so long. We got kicked out. Keith David went in, but we couldn't follow him, even though he should be a big-time friend of the show, right? Right. There you go. No, but we did talk to him at the bar, and I thought that was really cool.

And the Soska sisters, we hung out with them for a little while. But there was nobody at the bar this. time. Yeah. It was just packed with people. Yeah. Yeah. Like fanboys just like us, right? Yeah. So we did meet up with our friends from Hail Meing and we made some new friends, Scary Dad podcast. Oh yeah. Met those guys? That was pretty cool. So I hope to have them them on the show pretty soon. Some of the people that did give us sound bites that were actually super cool. I have to give a shout out to Katie Featherston. Oh yeah. Katie was great. Oh, nice. Nobody was at her table, man.

I felt bad for her, dude. Paranormal activity, yeah. Yeah, she was like, got that thing off the ground. She was the weird chick that stood over the guy's bed, like in time laps. You would think, because, in my opinion, that was probably the best out of the series. Oh, yeah, that's what I was thinking, man. And she was, you know, the star of that one. And she's kind of hot.

So, you're not, you're not lying. Yeah, she's super hot and sweet, man, real sweet. So she was really cool with us. She gave us a little sound bite and talked to us for a couple minutes. Did you talk to Ethan Embry at all? I didn't get a chance to talk to Ethan Embry. Yeah, I think you went over there when I was off doing something else. Yeah, that dude was badass.

He was super cool, yeah, because he was just hanging. There was really nobody in his line either, and he was just kind of hanging out. Surprisingly, right? I know, yeah. But I'll tell you one thing, this dude's yoked, man, he's been working out a lot. Yeah, he was swollen shit. Yeah, I know that our littleers have seen him in the devil's, the devil's candy, right?

Is that for like an upcoming movie or is he just working out? Remember the devil's candy when he was like going around with his shirt off in the home movie and doing that painting with a spray paint and shit? I don't know, dude. He just, he kind of looked super healthy. Like he was into diet and exercise and everything. Bearded and jacked. Yep.

He's all righty and shit. We met Phil Fondicarro. He gave us a sound bite. Did he? Yeah, you know him as the little guy and troll and Will and shit like that. Yeah, yeah. One of the little people, Brian?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit, who else? Oh, Catherine Hicks. I walked up to her and gave her a couple of Star Trek references because she was in the Save the Wales Star Trek movie. Oh, yeah. And she treated me kind of like, go away, kid, get out of my way. I've had a long fucking day.

She's like Star Trek. I never should have done that shit. Yeah, I kind of respected her and kind of walk. walked away, but she didn't have too much to say. My wife went up and talked to Kitty Corvette. Oh, I didn't see her. Yeah, I never saw her there, but she went up and talked to her, and she said she was pretty cool. I'm looking at a picture of her.

She's hot. Yeah, not bad. Matthew Lillard couldn't get into his line, right? Yeah, dude, his line was like a mile long the entire time. Mm-hmm. And he was charging outrageous prices for his autographs. Like 70 or 80 bucks, right? Yeah, it was something crazy.

for like Matthew Lillard, really? But it looked like he was just chilling and hanging out and talking to every single person that was in his line. I mean, I guess if you're going to pay $85 for an autograph, you may as well get to hang out with him for a few minutes. So he did seem pretty cool from afar, but we didn't get a chance to talk to him. How about done? Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, man.

Did you guys talk to the very lovely Fiona Dura? Yes. Oh, yeah. I absolutely did. We got a sound bite, too, man. Nice. She was cool. She was very cool.

I was just about to mention Don Mancini. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The genius writer who's written all the Childs Play movies. Right. And he was cool as can be. He gave us a soundbite. And Fiona actually said, you know what? If Don says it's cool, I'll give you a soundbite.

Yeah. And I looked over at Don and I said, hey, Don, what do you say, man? He's like, absolutely, dude, absolutely. So this is the difference, I think, between some people that have maybe let it go to their head and other people that understand, you know, we're here trying to do a, you know, we're trying to be, we're all fans here. We love these movies. We love the people that are in them, you know? Yeah.

And so we're trying to get our little podcast off the ground here and get people to listen. So I think they appreciate that. There's certain ones that you feel like kind of get it. You know what I mean? Well, either way, it's, it's free publicity for them, you know? I mean, even though we're not paying for an autograph or whatever, we're getting their name out there. And we're not the world's largest podcast. By any chance.

But I mean... Not yet. Right. Who are we going to be talking about Don Mancini otherwise? Right. You know? And yeah, so Fiona Diroff and her dad... What's his name?

Brad Dura. Chucky himself. Right. So, yeah, the whole Chucky crew, man, we watched the panel on them. And they were very charismatic and awesome. I love Theona Duraoff. She has got a great personality. Pretty kooky, huh?

Yeah. They were funny. Her and her dad both, man. They have a cool relationship. Did you guys get to meet any of the Jasons, Kane Hodder, C.J. Graham, Steve Dash, any of those guys?

I didn't get a chance to talk to any of them. I'm not even sure exactly where they were. Did you see them? Nah, not particularly, man. I think we walked up. Is Steve Dash, the guy that Nez was going go-goo about that has these like an old

New York dude. Yeah, he was the, he was in part two, I believe. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jason with the sack. Okay. Yeah, he, he was kind of like, get away kid you bother me type. When I showed up.

Nez is crazy about those Jason movies, though. Yeah. They were doing something pretty cool this year. I guess all three, was there more than three? Yeah, there were like four. or five of them, right? Yeah, I think they were all going to be in costume and that you were, you were able to get a photo with all of them at once.

Oh, that would have been cool. No, I didn't see that. I don't know if maybe Nez and Patrick picked up on that. They might have done that in a conference room somewhere. Yeah, right, right here. There was six Jason actors in costume. Jeez, aloof. Oh, that's interesting.

The Ultimate Friday the 13th photo op. I wish we'd have seen that. Wow. Well, that was probably in one of the little conference rooms. Because they have stuff kind of scheduled throughout the day in little back conference rooms or panels, you know, in a different conference room. Mm-hmm. So we didn't get a chance to see all of them. Speaking of which, Clive Barker had his own private room.

Did he? Yeah. I never went to see him. Oh, I didn't know he had. Okay. Yeah, he was there. Even just to sign autographs and stuff. I think so.

I was thinking that. I was like, where the hell was Clive Barker? I never saw him. Yeah, but it was definitely, Brian, it was definitely work. worth it staying at the actual hotel. Yeah. Where the event takes place. Mm-hmm.

Like I said, I kind of wish we had had more interviews set up like we did last year. Yeah. But, you know, we'll keep doing it every year. There's no doubt we'll attend every year. Yeah. I mean, nobody really got back with us. Mm-hmm. We'll just have to get bigger than they are.

iTunes reviews, guys. Yeah, there you have. man. More iTunes reviews. It makes a difference. And we got another one. We mentioned it on the show this week that Doc was on with us, but we got another score, like another five-star

score, but no actual review written out, so we still need to know who that was. Yeah, everybody, leave a review. We would love the feedback, you know, something maybe we can change or, you know, any ideas or just

a nice word or two would be nice. you know. Mm-hmm. Yeah. What do you like about the show? Yeah. You know? Right.

I mean, if you're listening. You got to be doing something, right? Yeah. Hopefully. I guess. All right, Brian. Anything else you want to ask us about Frightmare or you want to move on to the really big shoe? A couple questions.

Did you guys get to see Ron Pearlman? I saw him walking around, man. I never went up and talked to him, though, dude. I kind of, it's a little bit, a little bit intimidated, man. I got to be honest with you. Yeah. I wanted to.

He's got like a gigantic head. Yeah, that dude, man. Yeah. He's scary looking, man. I wish I'd had the, had the balls to do it, man, but I gotta be honest with you, man, I didn't. Well, I, uh, I think his table was pretty packed most of the time,

but I did see him in passing a couple of times, like walking back and forth to the bathroom and shit, but it was like, it wasn't the time to be like, hey stop walking and look at me for a second you know walk up to him in the walk up next to him in the urinal and say hey ron what's up man how's the hanging buddy and um i guess one of the biggest uh guess there was the the kids from it did you guys uh see any of them yeah and their lines were fairly long for the most part but it was kind of interesting uh or i kind of it was kind of I got a weird feeling when we walk past.

I'm like, you know what? I certainly hope there's no fucking pedophiles coming up here. Oh, yeah. It's a little creepy feeling, you know? Yeah. Wondering if, uh... It's, it's a, it's a little awkward to, like, go up to a kid and be like, hey, you know. Big fan.

Yeah. I know you're like 13 and all, but I'm a big fan. Do you want to talk about life for a minute? But yeah, they had no... They definitely had no lack of fans coming up and talking to them, that's for sure. I know there was an it panel. Did you attend that, Phil? No, I missed that one, too.

I think Nez and Patrick did. I didn't do near as much stuff as I wanted to. Yeah. That's going to be my difference for next year, I think. Goal for next year? I'm going to go to more of the panels. Right. Try to get into some of the conference rooms.

stuff and interviews and all that, you know. I think that'd be a good place to get them. Yeah, I think for next year we need to at least try the free sample of one month of IMDB Plus, Brian. So we can actually get the info of their agents and stuff like that and actually reach out to the agents and directly and see if maybe we can get some more one-on-one interview set up. That'd be cool. We've got a few things coming up that I'll keep quiet until we actually do them,

but in the next few months, we do have a few interviews set up with school, but yeah, definitely. I think if we can get directly to the agents, that would make a big difference. Yeah, you know. Although, you know, Don Mancini was pretty friendly with us. Yeah, he was cool, man.

He told me to reach out to him through, what was it, Brian? Not Facebook. Twitter. But we never heard back from him, so maybe we'll try again. Come on, Don, tweeted you twice. All right, Don. Don, if you're listening, brother. We love you.

And that crack about, will we be talking about Don Mancini otherwise? I didn't really mean that. You're awesome. We are a horror podcast. And he is a fucking kick-ass horror writer. Right. He's kind of an icon in the field. Absolutely.

I love you, man. But not in a weird way. We're cool, I promise. So you guys ready for Walking Dead? Yeah, yeah, let's do it, man. That's kind of one of our things, right? Every year we recap the Walking Dead. So last year, I know we recapped each single episode a little bit.

I don't know if that's necessary this year. Well, yeah, I think the whole thing is... Maybe we'll talk about the first half and then a little bit of the second half or something. Were there any episodes in particular to you guys that were super memorable Brian. Okay. Now, I had to binge the entire season. You guys had watched it.

Philip, you were a little kind of, nah, on the season. Yeah. Lance, you were a little bit more positive about it. Well, I was until the end. Okay. And also when you count some of the announcements that have been made over the last two weeks, I'm like getting super nagged out about the Walking Dead right now. I'm trying so hard to stay positive about it.

But, uh, dude, it's getting tough, man. It used to be my favorite show. Yeah. So when I started while, I think probably about the first two or three episodes, I was like, this is not bad. This is, this is all right. You know, it was a lot of, a lot of gun fights going on. A lot of, you know, it was catching me. It was catching me up with last season because I kind of forgot what happened with last season.

And then when it got to the middle of the season, it's just like, nothing's happening. Nothing's happening. And then I just, and then I just felt like that ending was just kind of lackluster. Right. Fair enough. Yeah, I was just,

I mean, there was a moment at the end, which, you know, we can get in the spoilers. Yeah, shows better. We're all about spoilers.

We do that every time, for sure. I didn't like the whole Negan is going to go to prison thing. I don't know if that's a comic thing or. It is. It is. a comic thing. I was like all that buildup to like to lock him up. I thought Lauren Cohen, her,

her reaction as Maggie to that whole situation, I thought that was great. Right. Yeah. I just, I just kind of felt like it was a lot of buildup to nothing. But I did like the interaction with her and Darrell almost like they're going to be kind of villainous next season. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of kind of like that. It kind of somewhat redeemed kind of a just a blah ending because I was just like, okay, I can kind of get behind that. But with the news that Lauren Cohen's not even going to be there, what, six episodes? I'm just kind of like, who cares? Yeah, I mean, and to be fair, she's never been really my favorite character. I don't mind her being on screen. And I definitely like

the old school group better than some of the new guys. Like, the whole King Ezekiel thing is is a little goofy to me. That whole act is fucking weird, man. They kind of went off

the race. Like, the whole, I feel like the Walking Dead started out and it was like, okay, what would really happen in a zombie apocalypse? And you get to see these people living their lives. and making a new life in this zombie apocalypse. And then it just kind of went fucking weird, you know?

I mean, like, you got the trash people who aren't even in the comic book. Well, and they did away with most of them. So I'm okay with that because I fucking hated them to begin with. I was like, why do they even talk like that? It doesn't make any sense. Especially after everyone gets killed and she reveals what was her name, Jane is or whatever? Yes.

Doesn't she just reveal her name's just Jane? And all of a sudden she talks, she talks regular. Talking normal again. Like, gives up the whole act. Yeah. It was a stupid act to begin with. Why would you... I don't...

I don't even know what to say about it. Kind of weird. Like, how do you end up like that? I mean, I get living in the trash place. You know, there's walls and stuff at least. but I mean, why do you change how you talk

and all that shit? Yeah, what's the point, right? Yeah. It just was goofy. And I think the whole King Ezekiel thing with a fucking tiger, really, was, uh, I mean, the tiger's cool.

Don't get me wrong. But, uh, I felt like that whole kingdom that they found was a little fucking weird, man. it was it was it got further and further away from real life the the more we've moved into the walking dead yeah i mean i at first i kind of got it because he kind of gave them something to believe in yeah but it was getting out of hand it just like all of a sudden we're just straight medieval times and i i did like jerry though jerry's fucking awesome yeah he's the big

guy right yeah yeah even though i i question his axe in the way one scene where he couldn't chop that little padlock. But he's destroying everything else with his axe. But that tiny little padlock is not having it. Right. Yeah. And Carol's got a weird story art going now, too. Like, I hated her in the beginning, and then I liked her because she got, you know,

tough and badass. Mm-hmm. And then now she's just, I don't think that she can decide what she wants to be. And then Daryl was barely in the motherfucker. When did Carol become a ninja? Because there was a scene. She's been working up to it. But she's like hiding in like ceilings, dropping down, killing like five people at a time.

Like where did you learn these skills? I know, right? The, the poor woman that used to get beat is suddenly a serious badass. Yeah. A motherfucker, huh? Like a Navy seal or some shit. I mean, I, I mean, I. I can go with where she's not taking no shit no more, but she's like one minute she's about to be ambushed and then she's nowhere to be seen.

It's because she somehow quickly climbed up through one of the little areas in the ceiling. And then she's dropping down to another place and like killing five people. And I'm like, okay. I don't know when you had time to train like this and who trained you. but And I think it's just every time I see one of the zombie movies that has come out lately like

the one with Cargo. Yeah, cargo. And then there was the one where the zombies were cured and then introduced back into society. I can't remember the name of it right now. Oh, you guys saw that one. I didn't see that. I think it is

cured. Is it cured? It's cured. I think it's cured. I think it's cured the cure. The cured. Yeah, that's what it is. I really enjoyed that one. I thought it was cool. It was a zombie movie that was kind of based in reality. And every time I see one of those, I'm like, man, the Walking Dead used to be so good. Yeah, I'll tell you one thing right now. This is what I was thinking about, dude. They picked the wrong actor to play Negan. They had the perfect Negan. As far as what Negan is really like in the comic book, Oh, yeah.

Simon, the character Simon, played by Stephen Og, the guy that does a lot of, I think he does a lot of the Grand Theft Auto video games and some like that. I don't think he's done a whole lot of TV shows or movies. He should. But I don't think he does a lot of video game stuff. Yeah, he was badass, dude. I've seen him in a thousand things. Really?

Yeah. I really hadn't seen him in too much before, but he impressed me, dude. He's great. He was fucking Negan, actually, to be honest with you. Because in the comic books, Negan's a lot more of a badass like he is. you know? I didn't see that part. I think he should have kicked Negan's ass and taken over.

Since they've already gone so far off the rails from what the comic books are anyway, that's how they should have ended that episode. He should have killed Negan, taken over, and become the new Negan. I'm okay with Jeffrey D. Morgan. I still like him. I still think he's a cool Nican. I still think he's horrible,

man. I like him. And I like his attitude, but he plays it up a little too much. He hams it up, right? Yeah, yeah. And I just, I don't think because he's such a likable guy, and I think that they're trying to keep him on the show longer than he probably needs to be there. Well, he's obviously giving me the new Rick now, right? I guess. Maybe that's going to happen. That's got to be where they're going, right? I mean, I don't know. I feel like it's going off the deep end at this point.

Right. But I think because they're trying to keep him on the show longer than he needs to be there, they're just, they're stalling. for whatever conflict was coming up or whatever, and they don't ever resolve anything. Like, he's the bad guy, dude. He's got to die. Right. What does this put him in jail shit?

Yeah, not only that, but fucking Rick leaving the show next year. Let's talk about that. So I don't know what they're going to do with that. You guys read the comics at all? No. I mean, I've read the earlier issues, so I'm nowhere near. where the show or currently where the comics are at. Yeah, I've read like the first few of them and that's about it.

Yeah, I've read all of them, man. I'm not up to where Nez is, like, where they currently are, but I've read all the compendiums. And the last compendium has all this up to the point that they do put Negan in jail. And then Negan starts like, still the Silver Tongue Devil. and he talks to people that come into the camp and like eventually somebody sets him free. Of course. Yeah, of course, right?

And then he's also talking to Carl the whole time. He's very much still alive in the comic books. And they've got a new group called The Whispers. And what they do is they kind of like, well, they whisper, but they actually put on all the zombie blood. So they can walk amongst through. the zombies and not sense. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. And they whisper quietly because apparently if the zombies hear them actually talking, they realize they're humans. Yeah. But if they're quiet about it and they can just kind of shuffle along, they kind of become part of them. Okay. So they're,

able to go wherever they need to go without getting, you know, fucked over by the zombies. And it almost looks like they're never going to get to that storyline. I wonder what they're showing now. I wonder if they do introduce them, if it's going to be that dude from the fear of the walking dead. Is he still alive? No. The Johnny Depp looks like. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert.

Anybody who's watching Fear of the Walking Dead that's not caught up turned us off right now. Fast forward two minutes. Then you're too late. Dude, that fucking show, you think this one's off the rails? Dude, they killed him off? And they killed off, oh shit, Brian. Should I say anything or not?

The internet has already spoiled it. Dude, they've killed everybody. Everybody of any importance in that show has been killed off. I'm okay with them killing off main characters and stuff. I just, I never felt any connection to those main characters in that show. Which was so awesome about The Walking Dead, you know? I felt a real connection to, you know, Rick and Carl and... Well, that's out the window now.

Yeah, and all those people, but now they're kind of slowly killing them off or whatever. And at this point, the way that they're doing it, I just, I don't, I don't care as much. Yeah, good point, man. Good point. So what did you guys think about the first half of the season versus the second? Because it almost seemed like it kind of bled together. I mean, the first season ended up with a major death, right? Mm-hmm.

A big bite on the side of Carl, who's obviously still around in the comic books. Yeah. And, I mean, I thought, okay, well, that's cool. As long as Rick is still around this other, I thought, I thought maybe this other young kid that they're kind of grooming, the one that was part of the kingdom. No, the little blonde-haired kid from the kingdom. Oh, that little shit. Yeah, that little shit. I thought he was going to be the new Carl for the storyline.

I don't like him. But if Rick's dead, what fuck good does that do? Yeah. He won't be there to teach him anything. Maybe he'll ride off into the sunset. Yeah. I don't even know. know where the show is going to go.

Maybe after season nine, maybe they just reboot. It sounds like they're rebooting now. I think that should be what happens. I feel like instead of trying to limp along with what they have, they should just do a spin-off or something. I mean, I guess they can keep Jeffrey Dean Morgan around since it sounds like he's going to still be alive. Right.

The villain is the one person they're keeping alive. Maybe he's the new Rick. I don't know. Sure sounds that way, dude. Or Darrell, you know, I mean, I assume they're keeping him around. They can't kill him off. And he's not in the comics anyway. Exactly.

Yeah, from what I understand, they're trying to offer him like a $20 million contract. See, I'd watch a Daryl Dixon spin off. Okay, maybe they're going to spin it off and mix it with his other show where he travels around on motorcycles. Brian. Dude, that makes no sense. fucking sense. He'll travel around on his motorcycle to different locations.

Meeting zombies? Or fighting them off at least. By the end of the episode, he moves on to the next town. Oh, wow. So is he going to run into an Anthony Bourdain zombie? Sorry. Too soon. It was fucked up, but I like where your head's had.

Well, you guys brought it up. How did you feel about Carl dying? Oh, that sucked, dude. Because he's still in the comic books, man. He's a major character. Isn't he like a grown man in the comic books? Well, he got laid. When they get to the Whispers, he finally gets some pussy.

Well, he... He's a man, then. Yeah, he fucks the whispers. They're led by a female, and she has a daughter. And they're like the two main characters of that great. group and he got he you know got got got got got in good so to speak with the the main whisperer's daughter you mean got it in good exactly so I'm not sure what they're going to do with that I guess they're removing that storyline all together now

oh that just reminded me how did you guys feel about the one group coming in the the all women the all women group um it was okay but I mean it wasn't it wasn't necessary yeah that's how I felt you got to think about it dude If you read the comic books, this entire season, which was the All Out War, lasted like two comic books. Like two 32-page comic books, period. Well, that makes sense. And then it was done. So it was about 30 minutes of reading.

Because, like, nothing happened the entire GD season. That was my problem with it. They just kept prolonging everything. There was nothing. There were no turning points except Carl dying. And, you know, the couple of battles at the beginning and then, you know, the big. going at the end. They got a whole bunch of time jumps back and forth.

So, but, so now, what are they, like, wearing all white and living in peace and harmony? I mean, they kind of alluded to that a couple of times. Yeah, Negan's gardening and all kinds of stuff. Right. It's a happy world. I guess so. Happy go lucky, zombie free world. Where they have some big ass walls.

I don't know. I get where they're, uh, I get where they're doing the, uh, Try to be a better person. And, you know, humanity is important and all of this. Which, you know, I get. Those are good messages to convey. But when you've been through what they've been through, dude, sometimes people just have to fucking die.

Die. Right. And, you know, Negan is one of those people. Like, you can't leave that guy. It's like a Bond villain. You know? you catch, he catches bond. I expect you to die.

Right. And ties him to a fucking chair and gives a whole goddamn monologue. Just kill the motherfucker. What are you doing? Right. You know what's going to happen. Okay. You know what? I was thinking about this today, guys. You know where I think the Walking Dead hit a high point? And I think it's been

downhill ever since. Do you guys remember a couple of seasons ago when there was a group of bad guys? And I think it was the same guys that Darrell hooked up with and they would like lick something and say, that's mine.

Oh, the ones I was going to rape Carl. Oh, yeah. You know what? That's exactly the scene. That was the strongest scene ever in the Walking Dead. I felt the most during that. That was so intense. And then Rick fucking killed him.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you motherfuckers need to just fucking die. Period. Period. You can see the rage in his face and he lost it and I loved it. In my opinion, that was the high point of this series, and it's never going to get to that point again. Everything's downhill after that scene. Yeah, because I don't feel the same for the characters anymore. Yep. Yeah, what are the stakes for Rick? I mean... Yeah. Well, and they don't put him in any realistic,

intense situations like that anymore, you know? Now it's just what happens. He gets caught by Negan again, and they threaten to kill somebody else at this point. Who gives a fight? And then he says, Oh, hey, Negan, by the way, Carl died, and Negan starts crying and sheds a tear. And he's like, I'm thinking, who gives a fuck, dude? This fucking cock sucker, you know, think about what all Negan has done. And he was like that in the comic books.

They called themselves the Saviors. I always thought that was kind of tongue-in-cheek. You know, but they're almost in the show. They're making it look like they're the good guys or something. Well, because when they first showed up, and they talked about it on The Talking Dead a lot, which I haven't watched it all this season. I mean, maybe it would have got me a little more into it.

I don't know. I don't think we'll be seeing that show anymore. Yeah, probably not. But they talked about it a lot when the Savior's first showed up. Okay. And everybody loved Jeffrey D. Morgan as Negan, you know, just because he was so charismatic. Right. He's kind of a cool motherfucker.

I like him. Yeah, but not in this role. But I'm okay with him in this role still. I say no. But they sort of presented it as, you know, what if this other group came around? and just they have Jeffrey Dean Morgan leading him instead of Rick. Sure. Yeah.

And had you followed the story from their perspective, the whole thing, then Rick's group may be the bad guys, you know? I get that. Maybe he's doing what needs to be done for their group, you know, which is part of the reason I said that he has to die. I mean, because he has that mentality. If somebody fucks with him, they got to die. Right. But I don't know that, and I think that they're trying to pursue that route, but I don't know that they're doing it right. Yeah.

Like, do his fucking spin-off show or something of, of. How many spinoff shows can they have, Philip? Jesus fucking Christ, dude. I don't know, but I'd rather. They've already got Fear the Walking Dead, which is probably one too many at this point. I'd rather watch that than have them keep limping along with this. What do you think, Brian? I don't know.

maybe it should just come to an end. I think it definitely should. It's running course, man. Well, you have a theory about that, don't you, Phil? Well, if they're losing Rick and they're losing Maggie, then those are two of the biggest characters. Literally. If, I mean, obviously they can't kill off Daryl.

What do you have? Daryl and Carol left? Only? Unless the shows. And Mishone? Oh, you got Morgan. Yeah. He's on fear now.

Oh, wow. fair's the new walking dead maybe that'll be the main show i don't know it sucks too though because they've killed all the main characters off that now dude and i don't think that it had ever had near the ratings that uh probably not yeah not quite maybe for the first couple episodes well and you've heard you've heard what melissa said from two dead chicks oh yeah she said we don't know her yeah when we asked about fear we don't know her but uh Yeah, I think the show has run its course, and I'm not opposed to watching some more Walking Dead related stuff. Right.

I think that that would be the route to take is do some sort of spinoff show with Daryl, or maybe even some new characters, just make them interesting. Well, unfortunately, I'm in for a penny and for a pound. Yeah. I'm this far in. I'm going to watch it to the bitter end. Oh, I will too. It may last 30 seasons, and I'll watch all. of them. It may get bad and then good

and then, kind of like Saturday Night Life. Yeah. There's bad, there's bad casts, you know, bad seasons and good seasons, you know? I could see that. I just, and they've had, I think, seasons that maybe weren't as interesting as others. Right. I didn't, I didn't

particularly enjoy that whole prison season. I thought... I kind of like that. I thought, they had some cool things that happened in it, but it sort of fell flat for a while, especially when everybody was getting sick. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. It kind of dragged up a little bit, but not as much as this season dragged on. That's true. This one is dragging big time.

And in that one, they just, they just were like, okay, well, we're done with this story, so we're going to resolve the situation. And it wrapped it up in an episode. Which was worse, this season or the farm season? Because I thought the farm season was probably the boringest. Really? Yeah, I was okay with the farm season. Yeah, that was like season two, man. I was okay with that one.

Especially when they found the little girl in the barn. Yeah. Well, because they'd been searching for her the whole time. That was badass. And Carl got shot. It was like they actually went there, you know? Yeah. Well, but they've been through so much at this point.

I think, I don't know. I just, I wish that I cared more about the characters. I didn't even really give a whole lot of shit when Carl died. Oh, that's, that's bad about that. That's bad. I know, right? I think it's just done with, man. Anything else, Brian, or you want to give ratings for the,

for the season, ready for sports. I mean, I don't know if they should just end it or maybe give Morgan a spinoff. Maybe he's, maybe give him a, like, like the David Carradine, a kung fu show. Maybe he just travels around. But he's all fucking crazy. Well, he's on, he's on for the Walking Dead now.

He can be crazy in every episode. I kind of like Crazy Morgan. Yeah. I don't like sane Morgan. Okay. It's hard to relate to his character when he's, That fucking nuts, though. True.

True. I don't even think he knows what's going on at the time. Yeah, he's out. He's out there, man. He's out there. Anything else y'all want to say? Are you ready for scores and wrap this one up? Well, you can do scores.

Yeah. Who went first? I don't know. I said the most, so I guess I'll go. I feel bad that I kind of shit all over it. I just, it was one of my favorite shows, and I feel like this season was super disappointing. Like, I was always very excited to watch it,

and then I'd watch it, and I was, I just, I felt let down. Yeah. After a lot of the episodes. And maybe I'm just putting too much expectations on it, you know? I'm going to, I don't know, I can't give it lower than like a five or six. So we'll go five and a half on this one. Right. Hopefully they pull it together or go out with a bang.

I kind of vote on go out with a bang. I hope that they do that on season nine. I think that that should be the last season. Sopranos only went ten seasons. Smallville went ten seasons. Yeah, Smallville went like five too many seasons. Right. I think this one is doing the same goddamn thing, man.

They've worn out their welcome. Fair enough. What do you think, Brian? I'm going to have to go five. Yeah? Not too bad. It started off. Yeah, it started off great for me.

And it just, just blah, blah, all the way through. I mean, we didn't even bring up Jesus because I didn't even remember him being in the show. He was terrible. I thought it was cool when they first introduced him. But yeah, he didn't, I don't know. This whole moral fucking story that they've got going. there are dead people trying to eat you everywhere you go sometimes that moral shit has got to sit in the background like everybody's life and they didn't even focus on the goddamn zombies it was just these groups against each other where's the zombies in this shit yeah if anything they just weaponize them right yeah they use them uh yeah

weapons against the other team they're not even dangerous anymore right where's the threat that's yeah it was everything we said, I can't give it no higher than a five. Right. All right. Well, five is pretty good. So, Philip, you said, what, five and a half? Yeah. I'm just giving it credit because of the name at this point.

I got to give it a four. I can't go higher than four. It's an absolute low point for the walking dead. Yeah. My least favorite season ever. Worst season ever. The least better season by far. If it doesn't get any bet, well, no, I can't say that.

I already committed to it. I'm going to continue watching it. you know, I'm in. Maybe with everything happening with them losing cast members, maybe they will end it and it would be the best season ever. Everybody will leave out with a bang. Well, or maybe they'll find a cure for the zombie apocalypse. That would be even worse, I think.

Oh, no. Okay. Well, all right, at the end of the day, let's look at it this way. Who's going to find the cure, Eugene? All right, but let me ask. I don't get his character. He's a fucking idiot. Yeah.

And then he turned around good at the end. Fuck that guy. Who thought? Somebody needs to kill his dumb haired ass. Fair enough. But let me ask you guys one question. If, so this is the eight, this is the eight season. If somebody, if somebody told you 10 years ago that there was going to be three zombie shows on TV.

We've said this before, right? This show, Fear the Walking Dead. and also the sci-fi comedy kind of show with DJ Qualls in it. What's it called? Z Nation. Yeah, Z Nation. If somebody came up to you 10 years ago and said, guess what? Ten years from now, there's going to be three zombie shows on TV that you can watch every week.

Would you have been shit in your pants or what? It took me a while to get into this one, man. Yeah? Yeah. Like, I thought the idea of... of a TV show about zombies sounded ridiculous. Really? Yeah, I totally did.

Oh, I fucking loved it from day one. Yeah, yeah, I was, I've been day one since, I mean, I haven't been keeping up. Everything's been, you know, catching it on reruns and whatever. But when the show first started, I was day one, probably the first four or five seasons every Sunday. See, I wasn't, man. I didn't, I don't think I started watching it until maybe the end of the second season. Right. And I just heard so many good things about it.

And they were like, just watch it. It's not all about the zombies. Check it out. It's a legitimately good show that happens. And it was early. It was early. And I started watching it from season one. I think it was on Netflix or something.

Right. And, man, I binged these shit out of it. I loved it. I was like, this is my new favorite show. Maybe they need to bring Don Mancini in. Chuckie Zoneman. You got to do something to do, right? Well, make it more about the zombies, man.

Right, I agree. I mean, I get, you know, there's only so many stories you can tell about zombies, but that's what the world is now. Mm-hmm. Make it more like what the world would be and not crazy fucking groups of people with no rationale or humanity behind them at all. They're just fucking crazy-ass people. Right. Well, here's another weird character. dumb fuck.

Fucking Eugene. That guy's an idiot. How in the hell is he going to, like they make him out to be some sort of weird savant or something? Yes. He's not. He's a fucking idiot. All right. So here's what I want to know, guys, before we move on, what are y'all's theories for next season?

Brian, you go first. Rosita kills Eugene finally. You think so? I fucking hope so. And then what? And then the show ends. I don't know. I have no clue.

This whole... It's hard to say, man. This whole Rick and Maggie leaving. Yeah, this whole Rick and Maggie thing leaving just kind of, I don't know. Right. I still feel like it's weird that they announced that. I did too. Like, what does that mean?

That means something. I almost think they're not going to die. They're just going to move under another show or something. Huh. Why would they announce it? I don't know if they would announce it if they were going to die. That's what I'm saying. Unless it's going to be the last season.

Yeah. True. I mean, ratings are falling. True enough. Yeah? Are they falling that much, though? I mean, they still make a shitload of money off all the merchandise and fear the walking dead and the walking dead.

Yeah, that's true. And I mean, does, uh... What is it on FX? Umc. And AMC tends to keep shows going quite a while. Yeah. I mean, they did it perfect with Breaking Bad, but I think they're already way too far into the prequel to Breaking Bad. Brian, help me out here.

Better Callsaw? Yeah, they should have ended that a season ago. I don't even watch it. You know, it's boring now. They don't have the big draw that they used to. True. True enough, man. I mean, because Walking Dead was their golden child.

Right. And I don't think it is anymore. I mean, it's still a moneymaker for them, but it's definitely not as big as it used to be. It's hard to say what's going to happen, right, Brian? Yeah, maybe it'll be like Philip said, Civil War, and maybe we won't have to wait like seasons to get this war. We'll just have an all-out war throughout the season. Right.

And whoever's left standing, I guess, is in charge. And that's how it I don't know. I have no. It might be Nagin, right? You know, I think I'm okay with it as long as something fucking happens in each episode. It's just they had too many episodes. in this season were nothing fucking happened. Couldn't agree more.

Dragging it out, right? It was like, I watched that whole goddamn show. Mm-hmm. And they just talked the entire time. Yeah. I don't mind the slow burn part of it, but make something substantial happen. Yeah. My guess, because I think they are still making a lot of money on it,

my guess would be they will keep the show going for several more seasons, like even maybe Simpsons style or Saturday lifestyle. I think it'll keep going forever, but it will probably change the cast over and over. But you know what? I kind of also think, though, if they don't do something towards setting up an endgame, people are going to start losing interest. Oh, yeah. You know?

I don't know what to say, guys. Bring it a little more back to reality. So are you saying, like, any new characters they introduce will be the new main cast going forward? I guess. I guess Daryl's going to lead things now. Yeah, I mean, they're definitely not going to get rid of him. Yeah. And it sounds like they've got a...

Yeah, Daryl and Carol. The Adventures of Daryl and Carol. And they've at least got some sort of winner with Jeffrey and Morgan. I think that... God help us. I know that you don't like him, but I think that people in general still like that guy. I like the actor. Yeah.

But not in this role. I think he's totally fucking wrong for Nagan. If you read the comic books. We didn't even speak on her. Where does Michon play in all this? Uh, she's pretty bad ass still Yeah, but she didn't really do much Not this year

Yeah, she could have done a lot more That's for sure Especially with her whole relationship with Rick I thought that that was gonna lead to something cool And they just like Oh yeah, we're together now Yeah, I don't know As they call it on two dead chicks

Reshone Reshone Reshom And it was cool that they finally got together I like that But they didn't they didn't do anything with it. In the comic books, it's him and Andrea,

because she's still a lot. Right, in the comic books. Oh, gosh, I hated her character. Yeah, I wasn't making her either. They made the right choice there. So, uh, all right, you guys ready to wrap it up? Yeah. Our little bonus episode here.

Just me bitching about the Walking Dead the entire time. All right, so we're all looking forward to season nine, or to see what'll happen. But we are looking forward to Texas Frightmare next year for sure. Yeah. And Brian, hopefully, you'll be there with us, man. Fingers crossed again. And I'm still definitely watching season 9 of the Walking Dead.

I just hopefully I'm not disappointed after every time. There's no doubt. All right, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns. Bonus episode, you guys know where to find.