The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #1: Poltergeist (1982) & The Darkness (2016) (Reupload)

Episode Date: April 1, 2021

We discuss our highlights of the week, take a look at the newest horror trailers, and cover the week's horror headlines. We then go into a review of the new Blumhouse movie "The Darkness" and then we move onto a more classic film with a lot of similar themes, 1982's "Poltergeist." The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Greetings, listeners, you have found The Horror Returns. For all of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves that the horror never ends. Each episode, we seek out and review a brand new horror movie or book. Then go back and find a classic work with similar themes, looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation. but we also aim to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and political climate of the times.

Although we always do our best to avoid spoiling the new release, sometimes it may be necessary to talk about certain details in the course of our conversation. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will often be spoilers when discussing anything that's been out for at least a year. The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter work, This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be, too. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Phillip. And now, as always, we start out with a discussion of some of the highlights of what we've checked out this week.

Philip, you want to go first, man? You know, I haven't had time to watch a whole lot. I did check out some Netflix horror stuff. Beneath was the one I watched. it was uh you know i scroll through the horror section or anything it's got more than a star i'll watch this one had two yeah good good netflix rule of thumb yeah so uh it was about um this little girl who had had uh these visions of her sister being buried alive for like 20 years she had been locked up in an insane asylum and all that

and then came back to visitor family who were super creepy because that's how it goes in a horror movie and I don't know I hate to spoil it because it's on Netflix and you know people like to watch it but you know it wasn't bad it was for a low budget horror movie you know I mean you don't expect to see anybody that you know in it but it had some pretty okay little twists and turns and it it was all right cool anything Anything else you checked out? Ninja turtles, which was awesome. Ninja turtles. Hell yeah.

I don't know how much that applies to a horror podcast, but it was better than the first one. I liked it. How about you, Brian? Would you check out, man? I actually checked out of quite a few things. Crampus? Any of you guys seen Cranpus?

I haven't seen it. I've wanted to. That's pretty good film. Pretty good. Thanks. So you wasn't so. good, huh? I heard it wasn't so good. But I heard a lot of good things about it, actually.

That's horror stuff, man. They never get more movies they're due, you know? Another film I checked out was The Visit, which I do not recommend this movie. No? No. Not giving anything away, I hated the twist ending.

Yeah, I could see that. What was the deal? Could you see it coming from a while away, or what? A little bit, but it was just, it took away from what you thought the film was. So it was a little bit of a letdown. It started off pretty strong. You know which one that was similar to that?

That I actually really liked. The Taking of Debra Logan. That one's on Netflix. Go check it out. Okay. It was kick-ass. Yeah, it is kind of a similar theme, isn't it? Yeah, that might be a good horror returns doing those two, huh?

That one of my favorite ones that I've watched in a while. And it's, you know, it's a total B movie, but. I thought it was cool. Yeah, I, I disagree with you. I kind of like the visit. I thought it was kind of at least the best M-Night Shyamalan movies that I've seen in a long time. I do agree with that. It was a lot better than the one with Marky Mark in it, that's for sure.

Absolutely. And a couple of revisits I've seen It Follows. Oh, yeah. Revisit that one. I love that movie. The first two-thirds of that movie was great. I thought it kind of fell apart a little bit at the end with a swimming pool and everything. Yeah, it made no sense.

Also checked out Scouts Guide to the zombie apocalypse. That was pretty funny. That was cool. Yes. Absolutely loved this. I love a good horror comedy. Yeah, that was a good one. I was right up there with Zombie Land.

Yes. Yeah, and it had the kid from mud in it. Yes, it did. And he was also in a movie I checked out in the theaters last weekend. X-Men Apocalypse. Ah, he is in that, isn't he? Who does he play in that? Cyclops.

No kidding. Hey, how was that movie? Not the best X-Men movie. No. But it wasn't the worst. I believe, I'm sure you guys heard some of the bad reviews about it. I haven't really heard anything. I just wanted to see it.

Yeah, it's kind of getting dragged through the mud, but I will say, I don't, it's not that bad. There's a lot of continuity. issues, but other than that, I mean, it's a good movie. It's a good fun movie. All right, so all the, if I'm not mistaken, each of the new X-Men movies takes place in a different decade, right? So this one's got to be the 80s. Is that right? Yes. So how did they pull that off? Did you think they did a pretty good job with setting that up and the set design and the costumes and everything? A little bit with the clothes. A couple of songs here and there, but other than that, you know, not really. so did they have the 80s X-Men costumes like was Wolverine wearing the mask and in the yellow costume and everything or no no costume didn't go that far huh no man you've had you've had a busy week man what else have you seen uh caught up on some TV shows uh finish the flash yeah I tapped out of the flash man when they they they just man it was it was just getting to be too much for me man all the CW shows and and I guess they're bringing a super Supergirl over into their universe now as well or something?

Yeah, they're planning on shows with everybody altogether. I don't know, dude. 22 episodes a year, it was just a bit too much. Were you pretty happy with the way they wrapped it up? No. Okay. I don't know, they have to step it up a little bit, or I might tap out next season.

Gotcha. I didn't see the flash at all. I heard Supergirl was God awful. It's all right. It picks up. It picks up a little bit. Let me see. Finish Gotham.

You're still watching Gotham, too. Yeah, I might be tapping out of this one. Really? Oh, man. Another show I might be tapping out of is Agents of Shield. I tapped out of that one after like three episodes. Yeah, they rank commercials about one of the agents dying, and they made it seem, I'm not going to spoil it. anything. They made it seem

like one of the major characters was dying, and that wasn't a case. It was the character you didn't give a shit about. Oh, the guy in the red suit. Oh, I got, kind of like what the Walking Dead's been doing for the last season and a half, where they don't kill anybody off that means anything. Yeah, pretty

much. I don't know. They killed off. Well, all right. I guess I'll give you that. Other than that, that was pretty much it. Yeah, there were Other than the movies that we're going to review tonight, hadn't really caught that many horror movies or horror TV shows. And, of course, the Fear the Walking Dead just wrapped up a couple weeks ago,

so that hasn't been on for a while. But I actually have been reading the third compendium for the Walking Dead, the Kirkman original comics. Okay. So that one pretty much picks up exactly where the current season of Walking Dead ended with the new villain Negan stepping at. So I'm probably getting close to being halfway done with that, so I'm probably about two seasons ahead now of where the show is,

because the comic always moves so much faster than the show. But it's pretty cool. I like reading ahead a little bit, kind of seeing the stuff happen before it's played out on the screen. See, I've got some of the comics. I actually haven't really read them yet. Part of it is because, well, time, But the other part is because I love the show so much.

I kind of don't want to read ahead and find out what's happening until it's happened on the show. Plus, the comics, I mean, they have some discrepancies in the show, you know. Right. They do things a little bit different, just keep you on toes for the guys who have read the comics, you know? Well, yeah, and of course, the most popular character on the show isn't even in the comics. He's still not even in the comics at the point that I've read up to. Yeah, I don't know if they're ever going to put Daryl in the comic. They should, but...

If he's not there now, I don't imagine he's going to show up. Wouldn't make any sense at this point, would it? But yeah, the comic they have gone ahead and they've killed off a few more characters that are, you know, relatively major. So I guess we'll see where it goes from here. But obviously there's a few differences. I think most of the big storylines seem to stay the same, though. Kind of like with Game of Thrones.

you guys watching that? Yes, I am. So what do you guys think about the current season? How would you guys say it stacks up to the prior? I'm liking this one better. There seems to be less slow episodes, you know? Because I feel like last season, the whole first half of the season was super slow,

and then the second half of the season just woke your ass. And this one, I mean, maybe the first episode was a little slow, but they've kind of been on top of it since then. Yeah, I'm, it is, I like it. It's moving, it's moving pretty fast. You think it has something to do with the book not being done and the show is just kind of going off on its own? In limbo? Yeah, it could have something to do with that. I do know that I'm really enjoying it. From what I understand, George R. Martin gave all the writers on the TV show the plot points of where certain characters were going to end up in the universe.

And then I think they could kind of take it and run with it from there. and do the details. So they're doing a damn good job. It's probably my favorite season so far since the first, if not my favorite season, period. I mean, I think they're doing really good things with that show. So you guys have any other weekly highlights you want to talk about? That was pretty much it for me.

Yeah, Brian, you were going to say something else about Game of Thrones. I was going to have a question. I just read, I guess next season is going to be the shortest season of all of them. Do you think that's the last season? I heard it's going to be two more six episode seasons after this one. Six episodes? That's what I heard. I heard it's going to be the final ones that'll add up to 10 for this one,

and then two more six episode seasons. Yeah, that's what I heard too. That's the rumor anyway. We'll see what happens. You never know, man. I mean, one thing about HBO is they do tend to cut shows off, whereas Showtime lets them run for fucking 10, 11, 12 seasons, you know? true. They'll take them out of the prime.

Sopranos. Yes. We'll see what happens. So as with every show, it's time to take a little trip to the trailer park. We take a look at the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird.

Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? First one we're going to talk about is don't breathe. Don't breathe. Sounds pretty creepy, man. I am actually actually looking forward to this one right here. The scene in the trailer that just got me interested was the girl chained up in the,

and looks like in another room. I just kind of, I wasn't expecting that from this movie. It seemed like it was going one way and then it just completely made a left turn. And it has Stephen Lang in it. Oh, yeah. Love Stephen. Love him from Avatar. What was he in? Avatar.

Oh, Avatar. He's the bad guy in Avatar. that's right yes well he wasn't he in the original uh the first hannable lector movie the one that was before the uh anthony hopkins films manhunter before the anthony yeah yeah uh man manhunter wasn't he on manhunter deep character i believe he was pretty sure he was and he yeah he's been in he's been in a couple of other of other good good roles as well but he definitely could could pull it off as the intimidating evil blind guy there, you know, and I couldn't really tell from the trailer.

They broke him to his house. That's what I'm saying. That's a good point. That's what you get. I was trying to figure out, is he a bad guy? Does he have a bad past or bad history? There was one line one of the kids said in his house. Well, one of the kids said just because he's blind don't mean he was a saint.

So I'm wondering if they know something about something he did before. But, you know, as you say, it doesn't really matter. The little motherfuckers broke in. They deserve whatever they get. What happens. Exactly. So anyway, I'm looking forward to it. I got vibes of the people under the stairs.

Do you guys remember that West Craven movie? Yes, I do. I got that vibe. And then there was a Brian Keene book called Urban Gothic, which was kind of similar to where these, they were kind of in a bad neighborhood, and they broke into a house and kind of got stuck in the house. So I think it looks pretty good.

Actually, it was probably the one I'm looking forward to, to most out of all the trailers except one other one we're going to talk about, I think. A lot of suspense. I don't know how much horror it is, but it's there. True, true. Okay, moving on to the next one is Lights Out. This, I believe we had a conversation earlier. Kind of reminds you of another movie.

Have you guys seen Darkness Falls? Oh, yeah. I don't think I've seen that one. Yeah, it has to, what does that have to do with the Tooth Fairy or something? Oh, is it that one? Okay. Yeah, and it's pretty similar where you have to stay in the light to stay away from the tooth fairy. That's right.

There's so many happen movies that start with the darkness. The fucking darkness, man. Okay, so this is the one when I went to go see the darkness in the theaters. It was in the middle of a day and it was raining. I had an outside job that I needed to do, so it canceled. and I had nothing to do, so I went to do the movies. And the first preview that showed up, and I was the only one in the theater, the first preview that was on was Lights Out.

And I sat down and watched it, and my first thought was, I'm in a theater by myself watching this scary movie, and it's kind of creeping me out for the first time in a while. That preview did it. The movie, not so much, but the preview did it a little. little bit. Yeah, I mean, I think that's, isn't that, wasn't there like some kind of a game where you like turn the lights out and people move around and they get closer to you or something

like that? I don't know. Kind of reminded me of that. It definitely looked like something I've seen 100 times before, Brian, that's for sure. Yeah. Not too excited about this one. Was from the same director as The Conjuring? Yeah, James Wan.

Did he direct it or did he just produce it, though? I thought it was like a younger director that he was bringing up. Yeah, I think he's only producing it. Oh, I just saw his name on there, and I was like, okay, that kind of makes sense because it sort of has that feel to it. What's the next one that we're talking about, Brian? The Conjuring 2. The Conjuring 2. Yes, this one I am psyched for.

I love the first one. Right? Yeah, that's pretty good. Although I kind of get this one and Insidious mixed up a little bit. It was probably because of Patrick Wilson. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. Same dude. It's the, it's kind of in that same.

vein of the Hollywood horror where they have a big budget that they can throw at it. Good point. Yeah. But I did like the, I did like conjuring better than Insidious. And I imagine I will like this one better than Insidious too. Yeah, I was, I mean, I definitely, I definitely want to see it. But, you know, it's not something that I'm like super stoked about. Yeah, I'm just, I'm really interested in the, the actual case files of the Warrens.

I feel like there's a lot of possibilities for movies. a lot of their cases. Is it like a real thing? Like a real real thing? The warrants? The warrants? Yeah. Is it really based on the...

Yeah, they're actual real investigators. Really? Yeah. That makes it better. Yeah, this one is... This one's based on a British haunting. I can't remember the name of the actual haunting. Brian, does the name pop into your mind?

No. I know they basically called it the Amityville of England. That's right. Yeah, I don't say that in the V.E. It's not like an exorcist kind of thing, is it? I kind of didn't read up on this case because I didn't want to spoil the movie. Right. Well, my, yeah, my understanding is that it's based on a quote-unquote true story, just like the Amityville horror was.

All right. And it's kind of the British counterpoint. that. So, yeah, we'll see how it goes. Did you guys, did you guys check out the Star Trek, new Star Trek trailer? Yes, I did. What did you guys think about that? Because that's the one I'm most excited about. Yeah. I'm more excited for the second trailer than the first trailer. I don't know if you guys caught the first trailer. What, you're talking about the one with the Beastie Boys soundtrack? Yeah, with the, with the motorcycles jumping in the air and in my world, you put the Beastie Boys in back and can't really go wrong.

But I just saw the trailer when I went to Washington's Turtles today. I saw the trailer for Star Trek Beyond and it was awesome. It is what science fiction should be.

I agree. Cool. Well, I'm a huge trackie, so I'm looking forward to it all the way. See, I'm more of a Star Wars guy, but I'm stoked for this movie. I'm also interested to see how

Simon Pegg wrote the script for the movie, so... Oh, I don't. that's cool. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see how it turns out. I'm definitely excited about it. Yeah, it's supposed to go back to the roots of Star Trek. Oh, cool. We'll see, we'll see what happens. Of course, you guys know there's a new series coming out early next year, too, right? Yes, I heard about that. Yeah, there's the new Star Trek series. I think it's going to be the NCC-701B, which is the timeline between the original and the next generation. So it's going to be somewhere.

we're in between those two series. Okay, cool, because you lost me in the middle of that sentence completely. All right, well, now it's time for our horror headlines brought to you by Brian. Brian, what's in the news this week? Okay, we have a new Pennywise. It's Bill Scarsguard. No fucking idea who that is. Enlightenance.

The only thing I've seen him in was, Hemlock Grove, the Netflix show, which I tapped out of that show into three episodes. Yeah, you and everybody else. I never even gave it a chance. I heard too many bad things about it. Did you hear good things? I'm watching it.

Yeah, I don't know about this casting. You know, I think I kind of liked that they were going to get the weird guy from... From the Jennifer Aniston movie? Yeah, from the Jennifer Aniston. kid, I never can't think of his name. Will Poulter. Will Poulter.

That's right. He definitely had to look. Big nut. Well, we'll see how it turns out. You know, I mean, at least they finally picked somebody. Yeah, and the movies to begin filming this summer, they already have a director. It was the director of Mama.

You guys check that movie out. Hey, I really enjoyed that, man. I really enjoyed that, man. I really enjoyed it. that movie. And the movie is going to be split into two films. Which makes a lot of sense because half the book

is when they're kids, they have to vanquish the evil and then the other half is when they're adults. Yeah, but when you think about the two halves back then, right? Which one do you really think about? The second half that movie kind of sucked.

Yeah, but I thought the entire book was pretty good. If they can pull it off and make it more Maybe if they stretch it out into two movies, they'll have more. But then again, the original movie was a fucking miniseries on TV anyway, wasn't it? I know. But I'm saying the first one. And they shit the bed on that at the end. It was pretty epic.

And then the same. I would agree. Kind of disappointing. Okay, moving on to the next news item, it is the new Friday the 13th movie will introduce Jason's father. What the fuck? Brian, come on, dude. You're making this shit up. Jason doesn't. Nope. Think he doesn't have a fucking father?

the new movie is going to be an origin story okay can we move on to the next new story please Jesus Christ okay moving on why do they keep killing my fucking dreams man moving on to the next Shane Black's The Predator release day got pushed up from March 2nd

2018 to February 9th 2018 Hey that's something I might could get into So what is that one? Is it like a remake? It is going to be a sequel to the original one. A sequel to like the Arnold one? Yes, sir.

Oh, cool. Okay. And if you guys remember Shane Black was in the first one, he was the one with the glasses that was making all the jokes. Okay, cool. I think I remember. So I don't guess we'd be lucky enough to have Arnold show up in this one, would we? rumor is he's going to return.

Wow. That would be great, man. What else is he doing? That would be great. What else is he doing? He's Arnold. He can do anything he wants to do. Exactly.

And the final news item that we are going to discuss is a little, not horror item, but I wanted to discuss it. Bree Larson is being considered for Captain Marvel, one of the next Marvel movies. heard that. Yeah, I don't think she has the look for this. Who is Bree Larson? She just won Best Actress for Room. And she was in, yeah, short-term 12. She's done a lot of indie movies.

Okay. She actually had a... Well, she had a non-speaking part. What was that movie about the kid that couldn't stop jacking off all the time that Scarlett Johansson was in it and she played a Jersey girl? Come on. Brian, help me out here, dude. I miss this one.

I miss this one. Yeah. No, I swear to God, dude, I'm not making this up, man. He was addicted to masturbation. It was the kid that was in Third Rock from the Sun. What? He's been in a lot of shit now. What the fuck?

Come on, guys. Just Dr. Oh, there you go. Yeah, Don John. Don John. John. Yes, he was addicted to porn. But it sounds way better.

All right. Well, you know, whatever. Anyway, she was in that. She played his sister, but she didn't speak once in the whole movie. It was just kind of a really weird role. Well, nobody's going to remember that. The room. She's in the room.

All right, there you go. Fair enough. I mean, she's obviously a great actress, but for her to play Captain Marvel, I don't know, man, you know? I guess we'll just see what happens. I mean, it's good to say the women get in their own superhero movie, for sure. it's a better choice than what's her name

the UFC chick That's what Ronda Roussey They were talking about Ronda Roussey For a minute I'm like dude I love Ronda Rousey Don't get me wrong

She's a terrible actress Yeah the best rumor I heard Was Charlize Theron As Captain Marvel With Right What's Brad Pitt's wife What's her name

Angelina Jolie Okay To direct Okay, but here's the, and you know what, the movie Jolie directed last year was pretty damn good, the one about the prisoners of war. They didn't watch it, really. It actually wasn't bad at all. So, you know, she may have the chops a little bit too early to say. But don't you think Charlize Theron might be just a little bit past the age that they would want to present this character as?

Yeah, because Captain Marvel eventually becomes one of the Avengers, so I'm sure they got movies planned. And also, I think Charlize Theron's going to. be busy. She's going to be the villain in the next Fast and Furious movie. No kidding. There's another one? Oh yeah, dude. They'll never stop those. That's the next James Bond franchise, for sure. Keep making a billion dollars a movie.

Absolutely. Absolutely. The last one was so big because Paul Walker died. I mean, sorry to be so blunt. You're right, man. That had a lot to do with it, for sure. Look, it was fun to watch, but it was totally ridiculous. I mean, really. No doubt about that. But that's kind of the point, isn't it?

I guess. Yeah, it's a good popcorn movie. That's it, man. Popcorn all the way, Brian. You got it. But that is all the news items I have for today. All right. And now on to tonight's featured attractions. We start with a review and the discussion of the new Bloom House Feature of the Darkness,

directed by Greg McLean and written by Shane Armstrong and Shane Krause. And then we're going to move on to another. film in which an American family fills the wrath of entities, which is 1982's Poltergeist, directed by Toby Hooper and written by Stephen Spielberg.

So we'll start out talking about the darkness. Director for Darkness is Greg McLean. Do you guys, have you ever heard of him? Was he in Diehardt? Greg McLean. He is an

Australian an Australian director known for the Wolf Creek films. Oh, that's bad. Yeah, which some people love and some people don't like that much, but I think they've made three or four of them,

and I think they even made a TV series or something, if I'm not mistaken. He's never heard Wolf Creek in my life. This movie was written by Shane Armstrong and Shane Krause. I believe they're also Australian, and they were both on the staff of writers on bait, which was the, I think,

sharks in a shopping mall or sharks in a grocery store movie. You guys seen bait? Unfortunately, yes. And what is... Yeah, so hey, fill us in, Brian. What was this movie? Was it a shopping mall? Was it a grocery store?

A grocery store. I believe a tsunami hits the beach and washes all these sharks into a grocery store. Okay. And that's all I have to say about that movie. Well, okay. That's probably about one you to know. All right. So, okay, so they also,

it looks like they also wrote a movie called Acolytes that starred Joel Edgerton and some kind of a TV series called K-9, which was a spinoff of Doctor Who, which I know absolutely nothing about. Anyway, the darkness, trivia, a little bit of trivia here. The darkness reunites Kevin Bacon

and Jennifer Morrison for the first time since, stir of echoes, which was in 1999. Both the director, as well as both writers, as we said, hail from Australia. And the Wolf Creek films have garnered quite a bit of critical and cult success. Oh, here we go, guys. The film is based

on what are said to be actual events about a family who visits the Grand Canyon and bring home a supernatural force that feeds off their fears and takes over their lives. principal photography began in April 2014 in Los Angeles and they stopped the filming in May of 2014 so we're talking about a three or four week filming here

so without any further ado let's get into Darton who wants to tackle this one first guys I guess I'll go first I fucking hated this movie hey tell us how you really feel Brian this movie was a piece of shit I the characters in this movie was so unlikable and

I don't know because I'm just going to spoil this movie because nobody's going to watch this shit go for it man I think you I think you the darkness when watching it is super obvious so yeah when the darkness takes

effect of you it's supposed to make you bring out your your darkness within right but what I didn't understand I felt like everybody had some kind of like the oldest daughter was bulimic the wife was alcoholic the the father the husband was cheating i felt like they was already doing this before the darkness took over right oh yeah and like i said the characters were just so unlikable nothing happened in this movie nothing

was scary i was i i i'm gonna pass it off to one you guys this this this movie was shit man i i thought that the like the horror aspect of it was i mean because it kind of had two stories going at the same time they had their little suburban family life story

where i actually thought the acting was pretty good with that stuff you know they had their own little personal problems it was a little uncomfortable at times you know because yeah you know kevin bacon was the the cheating husband who was trying to turn his life around

and the alcoholic wife. And then I thought one of the creepiest scenes in the movie was when they pulled the mattress back from the daughter who's like 15 or so and see all the little jars of puke that she has because she was super creepy. I didn't understand that didn't she have a full bathroom in her room? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Yeah, that was fucked up, the vomit collection that she had going there. And that was the only part that really kind of gave me shivers. Like the real stuff in that movie, I thought was pretty good. I thought the acting was okay. But like the horror aspect of it, man, it was so like predictable and cookie cutter, you know. Some people collect comic books. Some people collect artwork.

She collects vomit. Jars of Puk. Hey, band name. Put it down. That's a good one, man. How did you guys feel about the actual ghosts or space? or demons or whatever they was. Dude, ancient Indian

burial ground. Everything about this movie from the fucking beginning of the show to the ridiculous, which I'm not going to spoil, just in case anybody does want to catch this if ever comes on Netflix

or something, but to the totally fucking boring, anti-climactic ending was just one of the worst movies. I've probably seen in a decade. And the sad thing is, is it's not even midnight movie bad.

Like the room, Tommy Wysow's the room or something like that where you actually want to fucking sit around and laugh at it. It's not even that good. I mean, it's not even worth doing it. It's just boring. It's milk toast.

The very first notes that I wrote down when I was seeing this movie, really boring people. You get out here and I cannot believe that Kevin Bacon lowered himself to be in a movie that the dialogue is this poorly written. One of his first lines was,

hey there, partner, why don't you strap on a feed bag and step on up here to the table and have a hot dog or a steak or whatever? I mean, what the fuck? Kevin Bacon, how far you have fallen? I mean, the TV show that he was on, the following was really, really good. You know, I really enjoyed that show.

And then now he does something like this. You know, it's like, and I understand he's going to be in a new, a new series based on the giant earthworms. What movie am I talking about? Tremors, right guys? Yes, Trimmers. And that I'm looking forward to. But, you know, Kevin Bacon, you did a big messstep on this one.

You did yourself a major disservice. Every fucking person in this movie was just hateable. Not unlikable. Just downright fucking hateable. Even Paul Kaiser. You just wanted something to happen to someone, something, and nothing happened. I didn't hate Paul Reiser. I thought he was cool.

He was kind of a douche. Yeah, but not in a funny, douchy way. I just thought he was duching just sort of a dumb-ass way, you know? It had a hell of a cast for being such a shitty movie. That's the fucking irony. How do they talk to them in? I mean, I guess Bloomhouse just kind of rules the, you know, rules the horror airwaves these days.

It's like everything they put out, you know, gets a lot of theater screens and stuff like that. I don't know. In my opinion, 80% of what they do is garbage. That's probably where the money went for the film was to pay the actors, because it didn't go into the film. Yeah. Didn't look that way, did it? I kind of want to lump this one in the same category of, like, Insidious,

with the big budget Hollywood horror stuff, you know? But, yeah, I mean, as... I thought Insidious was a little bit cheesy because it was big Hollywood horror, big special effects, all that stuff. They didn't have to get nitty-gritty with the special effects and make it really creepy to make it happen. But this one, it didn't even live up to that. Yeah, I mean, let me put it to this way, guys. There's another movie that we're going to be talking about tonight, right?

That we're going to basically compare the horror then and the horror now and some of the same concepts, right? You know, you've got a family that's in peril. you've got these spirits that are pissed off for whatever reason. But I just, here's what I did. I made a little list of everything that I pointed out where I felt like the darkness was mimicking the other movie we're going to talk about, which is poltergeist. So you had the battle with the neighbor.

If you remember Kevin Bacon always had a fucking argument with the neighbor who had the dog next door. And you had that going on in Poultergeist throughout. You had a jackass neighbor that, you know, had the remote control that kept moving it over to Mr. Rogers when they were trying to watch the football game. Yeah, if they'd have been a poltergeist. They'd have been a pretty shitty polter guys. Man, I'd have been pissed off in him. Changed on a football game, we got problems. Yeah, that's what we thought at first, right? That it was the polter guys change in the channels, but it was the asshole next door. Both movies, and remember, I say both movies, but polter guys did all this stuff first.

Old black and white movies were always going on in the background. whatever the creatures were, they went into the walls. They were going through the walls. There was always something up above that was swirling around in both movies, just like poltergeist. In both movies, the dog sensed what the presence was. The dog was always more intelligent than the humans. There were black spots on the wall, as we pointed out, in both movies.

I mean, there's just, there was, you know, the activity, everything that was going on in the two movies, there was just so much mimicking, I thought. And I think that the darkness was just trying so hard to capture the spirit of other movies that it didn't really have the balls to be its own movie. I guess I can see that. You know, I kind of think that Insidious was a little more like the poltergeist than the darkness was. I was thinking about that too when we were watching it.

Because of the alternate dimensions and all that stuff. I mean, it was basically a straight ripoff. but dude how many horror concepts are really out there you know i mean you can only do a movie so many times true true well i'll tell you i'll tell you one thing that that i thought that maybe the darkness was going to get right that they didn't

was uh sammy boy how about old sammy she was red hot huh sammy yeah sammy the uh the young lady that was working in the office with uh with kevin bacon oh oh yeah Man, they really underutilized her. I think she was in two scenes. You know, I really like that he turned her down, though. I was like, all right, that's cool.

Score one for the Baconator, huh? Like, all right, he might be a good guy after all. He's trying to turn his life around. Like, that's what I was talking about, though. Like, the family life of that movie was a lot more realistic than, say, the Paltureguise, which was very theatrical. But a lot of the movies back then were, you know? I mean, just very theatrical,

like something you would go to see in the theater. Everything was a little bit over the top, whereas now it's a little more real, you know? What do you think about that statement, Brian? Well, we'll get into Paltar, guys, so why it was a little bit more theatrical. But I do agree with that. No, necessarily, that's a good thing.

I'm just saying that's, it is what it is, you know. So what did you guys think about the dynamic of the wife and specifically little Mikey. I mean, did you guys get the same impression I did that she was going out of her way? Even though the kid had autism or whatever, didn't you guys get the impression she was going way out of her way to baby him at the expense of all the rest of the family? Well, because he had autism.

I thought that was part of the realistic thing of the family, you know what I mean? Okay, so I'm just being unreasonable. I think that if, I mean, I don't have a kid that's autistic, but if I did, I would imagine he would get baby. probably a lot further in life than any normal kids. Fuck him. Throw the little kid out there. Let the little fucking shit make it in the real world is what I said. You're not doing a little fucker any favors by baby and I like that. Come on. Jesus Christ. Was it just me or did it seem like he wasn't, he didn't have autism throughout the movie.

Well, I think it was a kid playing autistic. He did a job. Yeah, he's a, he's a horrible actor. He's on Gotham. He plays young Bruce Wayne. Oh, that's the kid. Okay, I remember I was talking about him before. Yeah, he's horrible. He's horrible on the show. Because I wanted to like him so bad in Gotham. And, uh, no. Yeah, which watching Gotham now,

you can tell how old this movie is. Well, I don't know about you guys, but I thought of this, uh, the wife there as being just a fucking bitch. From day, from the beginning of the movie to the end. I mean, you talk about a. You talk about a, you talk about a griping bitch. I mean, did you guys get that too? She was just, she was beyond unlikable.

I agree. But then again, like I said, I felt everybody was. Not so much Kevin Bacon. He's got a good guy who's in his contract. I don't know. Here's some notes I wrote. Just as you guys were talking about that, I wrote, Bacon fucking asshole.

Everyone is so unlikable. So I guess I wouldn't agree with that. that one. Oh, but let's talk about the daughter. All right, let's talk about the daughter. With the constant screaming and just zero to 100 flipping out,

I didn't understand. What was the one scene when the mom knocked on the door and peeked her head in and she just flipped out? Oh, right. Okay, so that was the Blemic scene, right? It was a little bit earlier in the movie. Okay, they were just sitting there.

There was a constant blowing up for reason. I didn't understand what was going on. They didn't really elaborate what the relationship between the mom and the daughter was. It just seemed like she was always blowing up. The daughter was a teenage girl and I don't have a teenage

girl but I am not looking forward to that shit at all. I have a teenage girl and I I don't get too many of those just blow up for no reasons. I think you guys are both over

looking the obvious. It was the darkness guys. It wasn't her. It wasn't him. That's right. Come on. See, that was where I was thinking. The only one that was possessed at all was the autistic kid because that was he was, you know, the one that was

most susceptible to the stuff. Oh, okay, I'll bring that point up too. I thought that everything that they went and looked up on Google about the possession and all that shit was just a little too easily found and fed to you as part of the storyline. Came with videos and everything.

I know, right. Yeah, everything was so convenient, wasn't it? Yeah, you're right. You're right, Brian. It was actually, it was a video that was probably higher quality than 90% of the Bloom House movies out there. And it told him exactly what it was. It told them

exactly what to do to get rid of it. And it still took him another fucking hour to figure it out. Hey, but if you're going to talk about dumb ass motherfuckers, ma'am, let's talk about the poultry guys. My chairs start moving in the kitchen. I'm out of there, dude. I don't know what the hell you're doing.

Yeah, well, they thought of that as a bunch of fun in games at that point. Hey, let me put my daughter in a fucking football helmet and slide her down the floor. That is the next step. Get the hell out of the house. That's why they took her. They were like, hey, we're going to take her. Hey, we're just fooling with you now, but you better watch out tonight. Okay.

So what did you guys think about the final solution? there to get the house cleansed, so to speak. Yet another mirror of polterguise. And I forgot about the friggin hotel. They check into a goddamn hotel, just like they did in poltergeist. But anyway, I digress. What did you guys think about when they brought

the Brujai in there? With her grandfather. I thought, when I seen it, I thought at least something's finally going to happen. But it didn't. I thought, assuming that she is legal that the granddaughter was pretty cute. But then, yeah, it took a while to get to that point, and then, you know, the ghost started

whooping their ass. But, I don't know. Yeah, now that we're bringing it up, wasn't she the only one to act? Weren't they the only ones to actually get hurt in this movie? Yeah, I kind of think they were. Oh, well, beside the daughter that got bit by the dog. Yeah. but it was

it took so long to build up to that and then it was like suddenly this thing is throwing glass at him and swinging shit across the room and I don't know that's what I'm saying nothing happened in this movie yeah it didn't really

the whole thing didn't really mesh well I kind of thought maybe Paul Riser or his wife somebody would die something would happen oh Paul Riser should have been a good guy to die all right well yeah hold on guys now remember this is a this is a spoiler-free uh podcast as far as the new movie i'm sure all

our listeners want to go see this right away dude i don't really care from spoiled it's not that bad there's nothing that we're going to spoil on this thing that you won't know within 10 minutes of watching this movie agreed that was that was part of my problem with it ever the only the only part of the movie that was worth watching i thought was the family drama of it but you know you run into that place where everybody's kind of unlikeable, but, you know, the real world. All right, guys. So I think that's enough talk about this movie. So, Brian, you got, you got the talk started here.

So what's your score on this one? Two. Ouch. Two on ten. Okay. All right, I can go with that. Philip? I'm going to go four.

I think that it was worth watching. just on the acting alone and the family drama. So you would recommend it as maybe like a Netflix watch or something like that? Yeah, like don't go to the theater, but if you're really looking for something to watch, it's not the worst thing. All right, well, Philip, you obviously liked the movie better than we did, and Brian, I think you liked it a little bit better than me. I give this dog a one, guys. Wow. I give this a fucking one on ten.

I mean, this is in pretty rare air. I mean, I see a one-on-10 movie about once every two years, and this is it. So, anyway, that's our rankings on the darkness. Now out in theaters, if you rush, you might actually still be able to catch it in the dollar theater, guys. All right, so on to our next feature, which is 1982's original Poultergeist. So we'll start out, as always, with a little bit of trivia. Heather O'Rourke, who played the little girl, Carol Ann, and also Dominic Dunn, who played the teenage daughter,

are buried in the same cemetery. Westwood Memorial Park in Los Angeles. Dunn was strangled into brain death by her boyfriend in 1982 the same year of the film's release. Is this for real? This is for real. This is trivia. Six years later, O'Rourke died of intestinal stenosis. Both of the terrors that plague Robbie,

came from Steven Spielberg's own fears as a child, a fear of clowns and a tree outside his window. Fear of acid is what it was. I'm telling that, right? Poltergeist scored nominations for best sound editing, best visual effects,

and best original score, but lost all three to ET. The scene where the ghost stacked the chairs on the kitchen table was filmed in one take with no cut, As the camera followed Diane Freeling to the kitchen sink, the crew members rushed to the table, put an already-built pyramid of chairs on the table, and then took away the individual chairs. That was pretty interesting.

Alfred Hitchcock's house. Cool. All right. One of the few Steven Spielberg films not to feature music by John Williams. The music and poltergeist is by Jerry Goldsmith, who is probably best known for his work on the Star Trek franchises. Oh. So, Philip, you want to start? start the conversation on the original

poltergeist? Well, man, it's definitely a classic. I probably am not going to like it quite as much as you guys did. I think that while it was a classic, I never thought it was really scary. I thought

it was more of a it was kind of the first round of the Hollywood horror films, you know, where it was almost a little more Ghostbusters than it was scary. And I thought that some of the, you know, maybe it was because of the special effects or whatever, but I thought it was maybe a little over the top, maybe a little too theatrical to be really

super creepy. Yeah, I can see some of that. I mean, looking back on it now when you look at some of those 1982 special effects. And the problem is, though, that we've been poisoned by the fact that Ghostbusters is something we've all seen now. So as we're looking back on it, we're, you know, we're visualizing that, but you got to remember that this came first. So this was actually the first movie to do it.

Well, but Ghostbusters was more of like a blockbuster thing, you know what I mean? And that's kind of where I see the poltergeist, where it was more of a, hey, this is going to be a kick-ass summer movie. And in the 1980s, I don't know when the hell it came out in the summer. Yeah, well, this was four years before Ghostbusters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Came out June 4th. But, okay, so it was a summer movie. Was, I mean, I assume it was probably a pretty big hit in the theaters?

Yeah, I got the budget was 10.7 million. The box office draw was 121.7 million. This was a blockbuster, man. It wasn't really a horror movie. Yeah, and I think that has to do, because you're saying it was more theatrical, I think it has to do with Steven Spielberg, because a lot of the rumors was he,

even though he couldn't direct it because of a contract clause with ET, a lot of people said he still directed a movie. Oh. okay I'd heard that he might have still directed some of it but I didn't know why so contract clause with ET okay that makes sense

and then he still won't play awards anyway right yeah because because of the the director was Toby Hooper who made Texas Chainsaw Massacre Oh That's a UT guy It's your neck of the woods Toby Hooper was a UT guy

Yeah no kidding I didn't know that Texas Chainsell Massacre in Austin I believe Well I don't know I know I know he's He's done a lot of a lot of good movies. But I had heard the same rumor that Spilberg was really the one that was more in the driver's seat on directing this one.

And it's definitely got that Spielberg feel to it all the way through. A little more production quality than Texas Chantown Masker. Yeah, a little bit different, right? But listen, in the horror world, I'm going to put Texas Chantown Masker above the Poultergeist. I'm going to agree with you. Brian, what do you think? I definitely agree. I did like Poultergeist, though.

I did enjoy it, but I do think that it's obvious now that I enjoyed it more as a kid than I do now as an adult. So I'm going to say that Poultergeist is probably a movie that did a lot of stuff first that you see in a whole lot of movies now. Philip, you were talking about what movie was it that it reminded you so much of? What, insidious? Yeah, insidious. That's right. That's right. You see that connection, right, Brian? Yeah, I do. So would you guys almost call Insidious a remake of, in retrospect, would you almost call it a remake of Poulterguise?

Oh, yeah, I think it had the same basic concept. Yeah, with the parallel universes and, uh... He's got to go in to get them. Yep. They had that kind of a pleasant feel feel to it with the All-American family, except they were token it up at night. That's right. And I wish my wife is that cool. So I'm looking through, I'm actually looking back through, let's just say for the sake of academics here that Toby Hooper did have a lot to do with it, whether he actually directed it or not.

And I am kind of looking back through what he has done. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I mean, that was a great horror movie. It actually kind of had a little bit of dark comedy in it. Oh, yeah. Eaton Alive, that had quite a bit of dark comedy. He directed the TV version of Salem's Lot. Actually haven't seen that one. Have you guys seen that original miniseries?

No, I haven't. He did The Fun House, which was based on a Dean Coontz novel from way back. And then, of course, Poultergeist. He did Life Force. Okay, now, Invaders for Mars, that had a lot of comedy in it. I don't know if you guys have seen that one, the 86. movie? No, I don't know.

You recall that? That had a lot of comedy in it. I was thinking Mars a Texx. Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 had a whole lot of comedy in it. So, you know, I mean, you look through this guy's work. He's no stranger to mixing horror with, you know, lighthearted approach and comedy and stuff like that.

Yeah, but you look through this guy's work and what are the two movies that stand out? Well, Chainsaw Massacre, for sure. And poltergeist. Right. anything else he did come close to Poltergeist? Not really.

Makes me think Spielberg was there. Not really. Yeah, I mean, that's definitely the rumor. Brian, if you were to be a betting man, would you bet money that Spielberg had more to do with directing this? Absolutely. Just now that you're going through is Toby Hooper's filmography, it kind of feels like he had very little to do with this.

Yeah. I don't think I've heard of a whole lot of other A whole lot of other films that he did Except the same one's a lot thing Which I've heard of but never seen him So what did you guys think about Zelda Rubinstein when she came on toward the end of the movie Is that the creepy little old lady?

Yeah, that's the What did coach call her like an extra from the Wizard of Eyes Or something like that? Yeah The house is clean Classic Yeah I've seen her in other movies, but

when I think of her, this is immediately what pops up in my head as Poulter guys. Okay, I looked her up on IMDB earlier because I thought the same thing, you know, but I cannot remember a single thing that I've seen her in other than this once I looked her up on the thing. I was like, man, she's had some little nothing rolls. And this is really the only big thing that she's done.

it seems like. Yeah, I remember her a little bit from back of the day. You know, a couple of low-budget horror movies and stuff like that that she did. But I think this one's kind of where she got her start, right? Yeah, she had a couple of things before this, but there were nothing big. Of course, she didn't have anything huge after either. She just had some cameos and things that, you know. Well, didn't she pass away after the third one?

well let's see I know she actually lived to a pretty ripe old age I think she had like a 2014 movie or something died January 27th 2010 at the age of 76

okay so yeah she yeah and and for four foot three that's a pretty long lifespan for being a little person yeah a lot of the time they have heart problems and things like that so okay you're right I got my

notes wrong because I had jotted down some things about the supposed curse of the movies. Right. The Poltergeist curse. It was her, it was, yeah, it was her mother that that had died during the filming of the second one. You know, I never really watched the sequel to this one.

Yeah, I actually I kind of went through all the movies, including the remake, but we're not going to talk about, we're not going to talk about the remake. We'll just leave that out of it. Yeah. Yeah, there wasn't, There wasn't much, too, the remake.

Kind of like the Exorcist sequels. I mean, the first movie was one of the greats, and then the sequels were terrible. Now that I'm thinking about, isn't the remake of Blumhouse movie? Isn't the remake

of what? Poltergeist. Is it? Yeah, because I was thinking, it made me think of the darkness, how darkness wasted Kevin Bacon. Right. Poltergeist remake.

wasted Sam Rockwell. Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, right, yeah. That's right. I really like Sam Rockwell. But we've already given that movie too much time. Yeah, so, I mean, I think we're all in agreement that the, you know, the original for all its faults and all of its, you know, 1989-era special effects, still, still a much superior film to the remake, right, guys?

Absolutely. Yeah, it's just a better film in general, like I said. I mean, it may not be the best horror movie in the world, but it's a good movie. It's classic. So let me ask you guys this. The famous line and poltergeist, stay away from the light. Was that the first time that was ever used? Because you hear that in popular culture all the time now.

Stay away from the light. I would think we're here would be the famous line from the poltergeist. Right. That was a big one and this house is clean Right? We all remember that Still use that on a pretty regular basis Yeah I mean it was obviously You know really well written

And you know goes to show Spielberg wrote the script for it You know Stay away from the light That can't be Only on that movie though I mean it's got to be from something before that I don't know Maybe if some of our listeners

Have heard it in something before that, I'd be interested to know, because you hear it all the time. You always hear stand-up comedians, you know, when they're talking about like almost dying of a drug overdose and stuff like that. You know, they're always saying, I was hearing God say stay away from the light, you know, stuff like that. So, you hear it all the time now in popular culture.

In any kind of near-death situation, you hear about the light. So I don't know if it necessarily came from the poltergrass. Yeah, I was just curious if that was the first place that was used or not. I'm not going to get the crick. Hey, did you guys kind of get the same impression that I did that a lot of the special effects, particularly like with the other worldly creatures and the giant skullhead and all that, did that remind any of the rest of you guys of the Evil Dead movies a little bit?

Maybe a little bit? A little bit, yeah. I can see that. It reminded me a lot of the special effects of Ghostbusters, which, you know, had not come out yet, obviously. But that sort of caliber. Dude, you got Stevens, who were producing a thing, you know? I mean, you have an endless supply of stuff. That's what you get.

You know what? Another thing I'm wondering about is, do you guys think that it was a coincidence, just like what's popular at the time, that there were all the, I mean, the kid's room was littered with Star Wars paraphernalia. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think he had one alien poster, and you pointed out a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar poster, and he had a, he had a L.A. Ram's helmet.

Rubis Cube. In a Rubik's Cube. Other than that, his entire fucking room was nothing but Star Wars. Do you guys think there was some money paid under the table there by Lucas or something like that? Or some under the table handshaking or something like that? Or you guys think that was just as a result of what was popular at the time? A little bit of both, probably. I hadn't thought about it that way.

It was probably just what was popular. I mean, you're talking about 1982. Star Wars was the biggest thing on the planet, you know? Yeah, that was one year before Jedi, right? Yeah. My kids still got Star Wars stuff all over there. All right, cool. So any other points you guys want to bring up about Poulter Guys

before we move on to our scores? Just want to touch on this curse thing. It's pretty crazy. I did a little bit of research. It's just crazy how a major character died after every single one, including the sequels. Really? Because you have, like,

like Lance, you said earlier, Dominique Dunn. Right. Died right before the first one came out. Which one? Who was that? She played the older sister. Oh, the 16th. Which is... Yeah, she's the one that her boyfriend beat the shit out of her, right?

Really? Yeah, which is crazy because he only got six years and was out in three. And she died? Yes. Wow. I did not know that. And then after the second movie, the guy that played Kane, which they never referred to him as Canaan in the first one.

You're talking about the religious leader, right? Yeah, the Reverend. Right. He died from stomach cancer. Also, the guy that played the shaman Taylor in the second one. Okay. He also died from kidney failure. Wow.

And then, of course, Heather O'Rourke died before the third one came out. Which one's Heather O'Rourke? Carol Ann. What? Yeah, and she died from something really weird, too, right, Brian? acute bowel obstruction. That's creepy. Sounds like poultry guys to me.

And the rumor is because in the first one, the scene in the swimming pool where the skeletons came up, those are actual real skeletons that they use for the movie. Oh. You know what? I've heard that rumor too,

but as I was watching the movie, I was thinking, ah, that's got to be just a rumor. Why would they use real skeletons? That doesn't even make sense. I actually looked that up and apparently it's cheaper to use real ones than to use fake ones. Wow. But I just thought that was pretty interesting.

Maybe they use real ones and King Tut fuck them up. Wow. Were there any other bizarre deaths that happened around the filming of the three movies? I think I read people that worked on the movie behind the scenes, had a few accidents during the filming. but um like in their pants probably both well that's that that's pretty interesting man i mean i know you know as we grow up we hear all those stories which you're wondering are they urban legends or do this stuff really happen around around the filming of the movie but it's definitely

interesting man brandon lee also can't pass up a good poop joke okay so are we ready to give our score For Poultergeist. Who started this one? Was it, it was you this time, wasn't it? Was it me? I think so, Philip. I'm going to score it seven out of ten.

Seven on ten? That's a pretty good, good solid score. Yeah, it's a good movie, it's classic. Everybody should watch it at some point in time. Yeah, I will, I'll give the original Poultergeist an eight on ten, actually. and some of that may be just, you know, my childhood memories of it and all that, because, you know, again, every time I watch it, it's a little bit more dated, a little bit more dated, but, you know, I still think the storytelling is solid. I think the acting is solid, and I think that, you know, I think it's a good movie overall.

I am also going to give it an 8 on 10. This movie has a lot of iconic scenes in it. A couple of things we didn't talk about, the clown. Oh, yeah. And also the scene with the tree. Okay, that was a creepy fucking tree, man. Yeah, that tree should have been cut down way before they moved in. That tree should have been Kinnling, huh?

Like, it's been here forever. That motherfucker doesn't have a leaf on it. It is dead. It's going to fall in your house. You need to cut it down. But I also give it an eight for the acting. Craig T. Nelson, Joe Beth Williams.

I think they did pretty good. They did an exceptional job in this movie. All right, cool. So gentlemen, I think we are all in agreement that poltergeist,

yes, the darkness, no. Yeah. Although Phillips says if you catch it on Netflix, it's worth a watch. Hey, it's not the worst thing you're going to see, I promise. All right.

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