The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #10: Escape From New York (1981) & Suicide Squad (2016) (Reupload)

Episode Date: April 16, 2021

This week, we are joined by special guests Dan Janes as well as Jack Falvey IV from BingeMedia to discuss Suicide Squad and Escape From New York. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Greetings, listeners. You have found the horror returns. For all of you who delight in dread, fantasize about fear and glorify gore, welcome home. This is the podcast that proves the horror never ends. Each episode, we will seek out and review a brand new horror movie, then go back and find a classic work with similar themes, looking at both similarities and differences. Our goal is to explore how our perceptions of fear remain the same from generation to generation, but also to point out how the presentation can change based on the social and the political climate of the times.

Although we always do our best to avoid spoiling the new release, sometimes it may be necessary to talk about certain details in the course of our conversation. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will often be spoilers when we're discussing anything that has been out for at least a year. The other thing we may do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be too. I'm Lance, and with me tonight are my regular co-host, Brian and Philip. What's up?

We're also joined this week by two very special guests. We kind of knew we had to call in some true comic book professionals. So tonight we are joined by Jack Falvey the Fourth, contributing editor-eater. and podcaster at Benj Media, as well as Dan Jayne's, DC Comics expert and audio engineer, also a podcaster. Guys, can you tell us a little bit

about what you do and where our listeners can find you? Jack, you want to go first? Yeah, sure. So before we even get into that, Lance, very excited to finally be speaking to you, sir, and be able to, you know, contribute a little bit on this show. I think you guys have been knocking out of the park so far. I've really enjoyed all the episodes.

so it's awesome to be here. So thanks for having me. Thanks, man. Thank you. So, yeah, I'm at binge media.net. I'm over there with Jim Lawn, Johnny Moreno, and the rest of those assholes. I occasionally write some blogs when I'm angry enough to do so. But I record a bunch of podcasts with those guys, gamecasts pretty regularly.

Wake and Big with Bob Ross has been pretty popular as of late. Covered the Game of Thrones. commentaries this past year, regular contributor to the bench cast, so I'm kind of all over the place. He'll be doing some of the sports commentaries for the upcoming year. I think we're doing Caddyshack next, so it's coming in a few weeks.

All sorts of stuff over there. Now, wait a minute. Wake and Bake with Bob Ross. You're talking about the painter? What in the fuck is that? That sounds awesome. So, for those of you who don't know what it is, and I've told this story on the first episode,

if you want to go back and listen to it, but basically one day I was at work and I was kind of frustrated with my day. I work in IT and as such you deal with people. Sometimes things don't go well and I was having a bad day. So I wasn't really in the mood to listen to a podcast or any music or anything like that. So I kind of went down a rabbit hole on YouTube of ASMR videos trying to find something that, you know, kind of find my happy place, so to speak. Right.

And I was on YouTube and I was looking up ASMR videos and like a third. or fourth went down was a Bob Ross painting video. And I knew who Bob Ross was. My buddy used to have a shirt that said like happy trees in high school. So, you know, I was aware of the guy. I'd seen a little bit of what he does. But I said, fuck it. You know, I'll put it on.

I'll listen to it while I'm working. And it just calmed me right down. And it was great. And then I was on a binge cast that week. We were talking about what we had watched. And as we were going through it, the idea struck me, hey, wouldn't it be great to get somebody like fucking Jim Cupcon, who

is high as balls all the time. And we'll call it Wake and Bake with Bob Ross. We'll do a couple commentaries for episodes of the joy of painting. Wow. Yeah, so we're on... Yeah, so we'll be on episode four coming next week.

All right? Yeah, we'll see where it goes, but people seem to like it. Awesome. Well, I'll tell you what, man. We'll definitely post all the links on our Facebook page and our... pod bean page so people can check that out.

That little treat is definitely happy, man. Oh, man. It gets intense when you start memorizing the different colors that he uses, cad, yellow, thalo blue, titanium, white. It's always white. White. White. White.

With the age first. All right. Well, hey, Dan, you want to tell us a little bit about what you've been up to and your background in podcasting? Yeah, absolutely. First off, I really want to say that that wake and bake with Bob Ross sounds fantastic. I'm definitely going to be checking that out on my commutes.

So, yeah, I've been podcasting for about four or five years, five years ago. About it was when the idea kind of formed, and then four years ago was when execution actually happened. And then I've had various amounts of podcasts running at any given time, from 1 to 4. Currently, I am not doing many because I have done, let's see, it's run through, Bainframe Chronicle is about the 90s TV show reboot from Canada that is very short-lived, so that one is packaged and finalized.

We have a Rogue Arrow podcast about the TV show Arrow, which is, on indefinite hiatus until they start doing a good show again. Similarly, the Colson Lips podcast is about Agents of Shield. That one will probably not ever come back because we were, I don't know, a little bit lofty in thinking that show would be good, and it never really got there, but we stuck with it for almost two full seasons before we called it quits there. The final show is the Cinemasters podcast about just films in general.

We hit just about everything over there. That's on kind of a break while things got busy in our lives and just needed some time off. We're hoping to get that back going here soon, but until that actually happens, I'm not actually doing many podcasts. Yeah, if you want to check them out, Just go to ALM Productions.net. It has links to everything from there. Cool.

Yeah, I hope you guys do put another Cinemasters show together pretty soon because I always enjoy that. Yeah, yeah, we're trying to. People are busy. We're also all the way across the country and in the wrong direction. I can't really stay up late and I'm on the East Coast, so that doesn't work out very well.

Right. All right, guys. Well, the first thing that we always do on the show is kind of go around roundtable and just kind of cover some of the highlights of what we've checked out this week, you know, other than what we've watched for the show. So, hey, Brian, you want to get the ball rolling here, man? Yeah. I did a rewatch of Ash versus Evil Dead. Oh, nice. I did a rewant watch of the first season.

I watched it, dude. It's awesome. Still, still very good show. I'm super excited for the next season. When's it started? I believe October 2nd, I believe. Okay. I was digging it, man.

I really like that show. Finished a series of Penny Dreadful. Oh, you're all done? Yeah. A lot of people are petitioning to get the show a season four. They don't need to. Yeah. Yeah, they pretty much ended all the storylines.

And on top of that, third season is probably the worst season. Is it worth watching? If you're into, like, Dracula and Dr. Frankenstein, I would give it a try, but I had said before, it's not for everybody. Yeah. I saw it on Netflix, and I really want to give it a shot. I just haven't jumped off that bridge yet, you know what I mean? Last thing I checked out is Stranger Things. Oh, yeah.

Oh, that's another Netflix one, right? Yeah, I really like this show. It was pretty good. I didn't binge watch it because I heard a lot of people were just watching all eight episodes. Kind of spaced it out. But this is pretty good. That's pretty much all I watched. Cool.

Yeah, I've checked a couple of those out. I think you forgot to mention one of the big highlights of our week last week, dude. Oh. Do you not remember a little movie we had to watch for a couple of those? another podcast we guessed it on called Horropia. Oh. Did you not watch Avalanche Sharks?

Fucking Avalanche Sharks. I erased that movie from my memory. All right. Well, that was pretty much it for me for the week was fucking avalanche sharks and the first couple of episodes of Stranger Things too. Yeah, man, I did Ash versus the Evil Dead. I watched the whole

first season and it is as awesome as the previews make it look. I was super impressed with it. Finally saw Star Trek. Sorry, I missed it for the podcast guys. But it was pretty awesome. I think we've already covered that. I did see Ghostbusters.

Oh, you did? Yeah. Cool. It was actually pretty funny, man. It was, uh, it's, I didn't know if they'd be able to pull off that, uh, that improv back and forth throwing jokes at each other thing that those group of people do and they did it.

They pulled it off and I thought it was pretty decent. I mean, it's not classic Ghostbusters. This movie's not going down in history or anything, but it was definitely worth the watch, I thought. Worth the watch, huh? Yeah. I think someone on this podcast has referred to it as misogyny on film or something.

Is that right, Jack? Misogyny, the movie. There you go. I can see that. Yeah. Freaking, uh, they hit door in there,

you know, and he's, he's just the man candy the whole time. Yeah, it's, uh, it's a delight that one. So what was,

uh, he's fucking funny in that movie, man. He's so retarded. What was your, what was your week like, Jack? Um,

actually, I was in your wheelhouse. Most of the week. I was, uh, I was catching up, well, not catching up,

but finally going through, uh, Star Trek Next Generation. Awesome. A couple episodes of that. I did notice something kind of interesting, though. So I go pretty deep with sci-fi flicks. And have any of you guys ever seen the original Solaris?

Not the George Clooney one, the Russian one? I haven't seen the Russian one now. So it's fucking impossible to explain without watching it. It's just a weird movie, but it's good. But one of the first episodes of this first season, it was called Where No One Is Gone Before. the premise was this guy, I think his name was like Kaczynski, he comes on the ship with this alien and he has some code that makes the warp go to warp 10. Right.

And they end up going like 500 light ears out of the galaxy or something. I remember that one. Yeah, part of that episode is taken right from Solaris. So I thought that was kind of a cool homage. But, yeah, it's good stuff. But yeah, so watch that. As I was going through it, it was reminding me a Battlestar Galax. I watched the first four episodes of the third season

with the escape from New Caprica and all that shit. Right. Which is fucking amazing. If you guys haven't watched it, it's better than 95% of sci-fi movies I've seen. It's like one stretch of BSG episodes. Wow. I never got into it.

That was the one where they set up that colony on the planet? Yeah, and they fucking blink beneath the shield on the planet and just free fall. the fighter jets come out and, oh, it's the best shit. Yeah, yeah, I love Battlestar Galactica, man. I'd have to check that one out, man. Yeah, it's a great series. Then, uh, rewatching Rick and Morty again, still hilarious.

What else? That may, that may have been in it. There was a, oh, there was a rewatch of Almost Famous in there while I was cooking the other night, just having a great time with that movie, but. That's cool movie. Yeah. Hey, you talk about Almost Famous. Are you watching that show, Rode's at all?

I tried. Um, it's just not. Not chri-up of tea. There's like this thing. I was talking about this last night, actually. So like the first 40 minutes of almost famous for me are goddamn perfect. Like I just feel I'm right on that vibe. It's all my favorite music.

I mean, the fact that the kid, you know, that Tommy is an integral part of his fucking upbringing is the best for me because who's my favorite band. So like I love almost famous, but I really love the first 40 minutes. Rodees seems like it's paying attention to the shit and almost famous about like the groupies and stuff and not really like the music side of it and the cool band shit. And I just couldn't deal with it. I got through like half of the first episode and I tapped out. I just said, you know, and it's just not for me. All right. That's all I need to hear, man.

So when you're watching the next generation episodes, have you gotten to that stinker yet called Code of Honor? Yeah, yeah. That was like that was the second episode. That was rough. It was like mildly racist too. Like, of course they were all black people. Sure. They were tribal.

Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Well, it sounds like he had a pretty busy week. Yeah, a little bit. Dan, what about you, man? Mine was fairly decent. I'm going to repeat a lot of what was already said.

Finished up Stranger Things this morning. I thought it was pretty great. Very nicely done all around. And the biggest praise I could give it is that they let it die at eight episodes. They didn't try to stretch it out like most Netflix shows I've been doing. Right. So that's pretty good. I think it perfectly reached what it was trying to do.

So that was great. Then I watched the first episode of Penny Dreadful this morning. And not fully sold on it yet, but... definitely intrigued. That's like the same review I hear from everybody. Yeah. Yeah, that's all right. Yeah, I'm actually taking it out of my Netflix queue right now, guys.

You guys have me convinced. Yeah, I don't know. It's a really cool premise, but it didn't capture me after one episode, at least. One of those wish it was better kind of things? Yeah. Star Trek was pretty great. I saw that last weekend. Hoping to get to Ghostbusters sometime soon.

All right. Well, as with every show, guys, it's time to take a little trip down to the trailer park. We take a look at the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? Okay, so pretty much this show. We're going to do a recap.

of Comic Con. So the first one, we're just going to go ahead and go with the big one first, the Justice League. Yeah, kind of just like Batman's sitting down and interview him and saying, oh, you're the one who goes fast. Oh, you're the one with the invisible plane. Is that the one you're talking about, or was there a different trailer out than that one?

No, that was the few scenes that they had shot that they cut together. It wasn't really a trailer, pretty much. It was just something to show. Yeah. Yeah. I have high hopes for this. They need to do good things. And I want to see Affleck's Batman

before they keep drilling on all the other DC movies that come out. Because I like Affleck as a director, man. Yeah, I'd agree with that. The anybody else think that they were overdoing the Aquaman shit in this trailer, though? Like, they're overcompensating for him being a bitch forever by, like, you know, him being the tough guy that's shirtless,

that fucking has to be drinking a beer. before he jumps into the water like a fucking douchebag like what the fuck is that man yeah i've seen that you know of course you know after he drinks a bottle he has to smash it on the ground and totally because he's a fucking man it's cal drogo man well do i talk to fish bro fuck you are you gonna watch an aquaman movie that's got jared leto as aquaman i don't know man you know what i mean because he's always been the pretty boy uh you know dude aquaman is not not your high caliber

superhero guy. And when they put Cal Drogo in it and I'm like, whoa, Ockoman is suddenly tough. Yeah, maybe.

And I think I might have a bit more confidence in like James Wann or he's directing it, right? I think so. I'm pretty sure.

The Aquam? Yeah, he's directing it. I've got some confidence in him. He's made a lot of good movies. So, you know,

hopefully he doesn't fucking, I don't know. It just seemed like they were doing everything in their power to just, swing the pendulum in the other direction

and it's like, no, man, you've never seen Aquaman. Overcompensating, yeah. A little bit. It wouldn't surprise me, Zach Snyder. Probably needs to do it a lot. Aquaman drives a big old jacked up truck with giant wheels on it and shit. Probably listens to Black Sabbath all the time too. How did you guys feel about Ezra Miller as the Flash?

He looks like he's having fun with it, which is good to see. Yeah. And that counts for a lot. Doesn't seem like he has a lot to work with, which is troubling. Yeah. He seems fine. I do still think it's really weird that, like, for whatever reason, the TV universe and the movie universe aren't the same, but I don't know. I mean, I like the TV Flash.

I've seen a little bit of that. Whatever. I mean, whatever they want to do. I don't really, you know. I hope it's good. I hope every movie's good. I have no reason to think any movie would be bad, you know. Sure.

You see when it comes out and hopefully it'll. not suck. Right? I hope so. Okay. Next trailer we're going to move on to is Wonder Woman. Okay. I found this one to be pretty interesting. I don't know if I'm on board for it. I'm kind of

already tapped out of it. Yeah? No kidding. Is it just the historical nature of it? The fact that it's kind of a period piece it looks like for the most part? I just think it's awkward the way that this is all laid out. Like, you had Batman v. Superman where Wonder Woman shows

up. And then in quick succession, we're going to get Justice League, which she's in, and we're going to get the Wonder Woman origin story. Okay. When I feel like we're just like treading water with the Wonder Woman origin story. Like, you're already establishing that she's in the universe and she's doing whatever she's doing, you know? I don't know. It seems like a really weird choice to make an origin movie with her right now. I don't know. Maybe that's just me, but it just seems like odd timing. I think that was a problem with Batman versus Superman and the whole DC universe in general is they're trying to do too much at once to catch up with Marvel

because they've been churning out movies and DC's like hey we got a bunch of cool guys too let's throw them all into one movie and then spit out 15 movies over the next year or two yeah yeah I was

I was actually kind of intrigued by it if they stick to just a period piece around World War I and you know focus just on those characters to me that would be very very refreshing. Because in my opinion, a lot of these DC movies just try to cram way too many characters

and too many plot lines into one movie. That makes sense. I thought Wonder Woman was the best part of Batman versus Superman, man. I'm kind of on board with this movie. I'll watch it. Hopefully it's good. What do you think, Dan? I'm torn because

the side of me that just wants a fun movie really enjoyed the trailer, but the side of me that realizes is that this is 2016 and she shouldn't be wearing a dress that she has to pull up every five seconds, otherwise she's going to be flashing everyone. She shouldn't be fucking wearing high heels. That's totally dumb. Like, it's just a huge and missed opportunity for, you know, being like, hey, we're going to address this idiotic design.

Right. And get on with our lives. But they didn't do that. so that's disappointing and gives me paused for the movie. I can see that. But hey, it's still a comic book movie, and she is super hot. That never hurts. But yeah, you're right.

She probably should have something a little more utility style, maybe not losing her top. Doesn't she have some, like, the guy who created her has some weird title, like S&M and Dominatrix shit. Really? I'm almost positive that part of the reason that she was invented was, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck, I should have thought on this beforehand.

Oh, because she's got her little lasso and stuff. Yeah, because the guy who wrote, who originally created her was a real fucking creep from what I remember reading. Wow, dude, you're blowing my mind, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, she doesn't come from the most, like, PC place to begin with. Right.

Yeah, I got to... If I think about it in that direction, direction. It's kind of awesome. Wow, okay. That adds a whole new angle to it. Yeah, I got to look it up, though. So maybe later in the show I'll find it for a yet.

All right. Yeah, man, that sounds good, man. You're on. Does anybody else have anything to add to Wonder Woman? No, not really. Okay. I'm going to move on to the only trailer that Marvel released was Dr.

strange. Yeah, I haven't, uh, now this is a new one, right? I haven't seen this one. I, I did see the, uh,

the older one that had the, the, uh, inceptiony part to work. Yeah, it's, it's, it's not too different from the,

the teaser one they revealed. They just, uh, added a couple extra scenes to this one. Right. Man, I bet you 20 bucks.

That's going to be a cool ass movie. I was going to say more. And then I stopped myself. No. No. No. No. No.

Yeah. Well, Marvel's got the pedigree now. They have to go out of their way to convince me to not see their shit at this point. Right, yeah. Well, and they space it out enough to where if they bring a new character in, they're not bringing in 50 of them in one fucking movie. They're doing their own movie, and that's that. Well, they're pretty smart about, I think, some of the riskier characters.

Like, if you look at Ant Man, ant Man has a very tertiary connection to the rest of the Marvel universe in the first movie. like you know there are scenes that like you know obviously falcons involved and like the pin particle and all that stuff but if antman was a failure Marvel could have just said okay we fucked up with that one let's move on you know because it doesn't affect anything else I feel like that's what'll happen with Dr. Strange you know they'll take some risks and they'll keep it fairly isolated from everything else in the off chance that it's a fuck up that way they cover themselves you know it's a much smarter way of going about it than the other camp but I think we Bitted at Cumberbatch, though.

They've got a recipe for success there. And Ant Man, I thought that was fucking stupid when I first saw the preview. I was like, really? Ant Man, that's who we're bringing out here. And, man, the movie was awesome. Yeah, I love Ant Man. Yeah, it was really good. Yeah, safe to say Marvel knows what they're doing, right?

Yeah, I'd say so. Next one we're going to talk about is Kong Skull Island. I'm excited for it. Philip, you didn't seem to be as excited. Man, it looks like it has a good cast, but I keep getting suckered into these stupid fucking Godzilla and King Kong movies, and then they always suck.

It fucking makes me mad. Come on, man, dude. This one's got a cool-ass cast, so I'm like, God damn it, all right, I'm going to go see it, I'm going to get excited for it, it better not fucking suck. Yeah, with Tom Hiddleston and John Goodman, I mean, you can't go wrong. Yeah, I love John Goodman, man, that guy's awesome.

Yeah, absolutely. He's a goddamn treasure. He's one of the greatest living actors. I never think of them when people ask me favorite actors, but he's amazing. I know, yeah? We sort of take him for granted, don't we? I mean, his work alone with the Coins is fucking amazing, you know, just Barton Fink at the end

of the movie running down a flaming hallway, just screaming. It's fucking incredible. I think the trailer looks pretty good. I mean, whatever, you know, I'm hoping it's more, I don't know, jungle book than Tarzan, put it that way.

All right. Fair enough. I didn't see Tarzan, man. Yeah, I mean, yeah, the only thing that bothered me a little bit was it did kind of remind me a little bit too much of the Jack Black movie from a few years ago. I mean, as far as some of the same setups and stuff like that. See, I think I'm in the minority with that movie because I was talking to my brother and a couple of his buddies the other night about this. I really like that movie. I still do. Like, I really like the extended cut and everything because I love the original.

Okay. I remember watching the documentaries on the, like, the second and third discs of the DVD set and, like, the meticulous detail that Jackson went through to, you know, put the little references in and all that stuff. And, you know, Jack Black isn't maybe the best choice for the, you know, on the acting side. But I thought Naomi Watts was pretty good as, like, Faye Ray, and I like the effects. And I just, I don't know, I really like that movie, but I think I'm one of maybe, like, five people that I know that does. They need to make it not three hours long. Yeah, I understand that.

It wouldn't be nice. My favorite will always be the 76 version, the one with Jeff Bridges and Jessica Lang. I always got a soft spot in my heart for that one. But, yeah, I mean, the original was good. I would say that's my favorite, followed by the original and probably then the Peter Jackson one. Just personal choice, you know? The original holds up surprisingly well for an old, like, Ray Harryhausen type move. Yeah, no kidding.

It's still pretty entertaining. It's all about the story, you know? Yeah, even, like, even though it's like a lot of rear projection stuff, it's still, I don't know, the camera work is still fairly dynamic in some scenes. It's pretty good. I'd recommend it to anybody who hasn't taken the time to watch it. And the final trailer, we're going to talk about a split from M. Night Shyamalan. This one I am looking forward to for.

sure. Shama Lamingdon. And I keep holding out hope that Shimon is going to make another great, great movie. I sure hope this is the one. No, he's not. You're going to go see it and you're going to be super fucking disappointed. Like every other thing you see from the night Shammal. Oh, come on, dude.

With fucking James McAvoy? Give me a break, dude. Have you seen him in anything that he hasn't been great in? I actually really like that guy. And as soon as I saw him in the preview, I was like, God damn it, all right. I'll go see this. And he's playing, what, like 24 or 48 different?

split personalities or something like that. Did I catch that right, guys? Did you get the... Yeah, something like that. But, you know, it is Shyamalan, so I'm sure there's going to be a twist at the end, right? Yeah, so what, everything that I just said about Marvel a couple minutes ago, if you were to flip the coin and be the absolute opposite, that's how I feel about Shamelon.

I think the best thing he's ever done was unbreakable by far, and everything else can go fuck itself. Well, you know what? We're going to disagree a little bit about that because I really enjoyed the village. Did you? I really did. Fucking everybody gives me shit about that. Nobody enjoyed the village. No, I loved it, man. I loved it. No, I really didn't see the twist coming on that one. Lance, how many times were you dropped as a child? Yeah, right. Here you go, man. I hear that all the time. Fuck you, dude. I'm going to stick with that opinion. I really enjoyed the village. I watched that whole movie. I enjoyed, I enjoyed Lady in the Water. I enjoyed Lady in the Water,

and I thought the Sixth Sense was great. Unbreakable was also a fantastic movie. The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable were our classics, I think. But the rest of them... Now, when he did the one with Marky Mark in it, he fucking hit Rock Bottom immediately. That thing sucked.

Which one was that? That's the movie with those two assholes who were like offering the hot dogs, right? Science wasn't too bad. Science had its moments. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't awesome, but it wasn't awful. Water. Water kills everyone.

That's how that movie ends. That's probably not fucking smart. Swing away. That's damn alien technology. Swing away. That's right. Swing away. First half that movie was great. Right. Yeah, well, that's kind of how the village went too.

I like the village until the end. Jack, I was going to ask you, what did you think about the village? I mean, not the village, the visit. The more recent one. Oh, I didn't even bother with it. You didn't? Okay. I thought it was okay.

Yeah. I just, I don't know. The guy... Let me ask you this. Are you going to check this one out? No. No way. He's burned me too many times.

Until he's got to establish a pattern of, like, reliability before I come back to this fucking guy. There's no way I'm paying $10 to see that. And I like James McAvoy. Right. But, like, Shaman's other movies had really good trailer. too. You know what I mean? Like even the fucking last Airbender has a good trailer.

Now that's what I have a Well that's a movie where he literally Like he has the fucking main character And he just changes his name for no reason I mean Why the fuck would he do that? It's a great question. All right Brian what do you think man?

Well you know how I feel about his movies But I'm probably going to end up watching it just because of James McAvoy. Yeah, that's what I said. It's going to be a Netflix, sir. I'm not going to see it in theaters, I don't think. That was our last trailer. Okay, continuing with our Comic-Con recap,

we're going to go through the Marvel panel here. They brought out the cast for Black Panther. Did you guys check this out? Mm-hmm. Yeah, they brought out, I'm apologized. I say these names wrong. Lapita Nyongo.

Okay. Michael B. Jordan and Denai Guerrera from The Walking Dead. She plays Michone. No shit. Oh, cool. Nice. Yeah. And La Pita Nyango and Michael B. Jordan will be the villains in Black Panther.

Okay. Very cool. I guess that's closing the book on Fantastic Four, too, huh? Pretty much. Yeah, man. I think they pretty much did that. All right, so there's Marvel's dark stuff. They cannot get that shit, right.

Well, in Marvel's defense, Fantastic Four, wasn't really a Marvel production. Well, they're also cheesy to begin with, but they had a kick-ass cast the last time, and they should have done something with it, and it was awful. No, I'm Black Panther. I'm down for Black Panther. I fucking loved Civil War. If you guys listen to the Benchcast, I love Civil War. I know your thoughts on that one.

I never even like that character, man. growing up, but he was kick-ass in that movie. I'm excited for this one. Yeah, yeah, I'm down. And again, it's just, look, if Marvel says that tomorrow they're making a movie about a man shitting in the woods for two hours,

I am paying to see it. That's a hell of a superpower right there. Wow. Like you said, polar opposite of M. Night Shyameling for you, huh? Yeah. I believe in the product. Right. Well, that counts a lot, man. Since we have you guys on,

Do you guys know a little bit about Black Panther? Because I'm not as familiar. I know what they told us in the movie. I don't know anything about them outside of that. Okay, because they had released that since they were playing the villains, they will be playing Malice and Eric Kilmonger. And I have no idea who they are. Yeah, yeah, I'm at a loss.

Yeah, I'm a DC guy, so, well, as far as comics go, it's hard to say that about the movies. Yeah, I have little to no interaction with Black Panther in the comics. Yeah, and I'm a Marvel guy, and I still just never checked it out. Has Michael B. Jordan ever played a villain? Not that I can think of, and I was going to bring that up. That is probably the only part of the casting I'm not too sure about, because I don't really see him as a villain.

Who's Michael B. Jordan? He could be really good, man. He was awesome in Creed. Oh, that guy, the young guy? Yeah, that guy. Oh, okay, yeah, he's cool. He was also fucking phenomenal in the wire years ago. Yeah, you know what?

I never watched it, man. Oh, worth your time. I know. Very well worth it. Wire's a great show, man. Yeah. Wire is a great show. Check it out.

Fruitvale Station Chronicle. Fantastic Four. He was in Chronicle. Yeah, we won't talk about Fantastic Four too much. You already referenced that. I believe the director of FruitVell Station and Creed was Ryan Coogler. and he is directing this one. That's right. I did hear that.

I did hear that. That guy's got some skills. Creed was a good movie, man. Oh, Crete was awesome. I was watching an airplane on the way back from our visit to the UK in March, and my wife kept looking over saying, you're crying, aren't you? I am not crying. I'm watching a movie. My idea.

No, man. Shut up. I'm not crying. You're crying. face is crying. Okay, next up, they released a few clips from Thor Ragnarok. Oh, my. They released some pictures. I guess it's concept art of Kate Blanchett as I think her name is Heela.

Well, it is Marvel, so Jack's in. Yep. I believe she is the villain of this movie. And they also release pictures of the Hulk Gladiator. gear and there was some, I guess some clips or scenes of Hulk and Thor going at it. I'm down

with that, dude. I mean, I was never a huge Thor fan either, but the movies have been really good and I really like Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk and if he's in this movie I'm down with that. Yeah, I see here that Carl Erbin is going to be in this one.

Yeah. Okay, well, who the fuck is that guy? That might be. That's bones, He's from Star Trek, man. Come on. And also, also Jeff Goldblum's going to be in this one. Oh, Jeff, Jeff Goldblum, too, huh?

Okay. Yes. Most importantly, though, Taika Waititi is directing. Director of what we do in the Shadow is one of my favorite movies from last year. Yes, since you just mentioned that they actually, for the Comic-Con crowd,

they had, I guess they had made, like, kind of a spoof clip of where Thor's been this whole time, especially during Civil War. Right. And they had made it in vain of what we do in the shadows. Oh, come on. Basically, he's been, I guess

he's been with a roommate somewhere. So far, they've only released it for the Comic Con crowd, but... That's an odd choice, man. Yeah, they didn't, they didn't release no trailer or anything for Thor for the Comic Con crowd, so... I bet you to be

Good. Well, I'm interested now. I had forgotten that he was directing it, but yeah, I'll definitely check this one out. But are you guys with me that the second Thor movie wasn't really that great? Oh, yeah. That's, yeah, that's probably tied with Iron Man 2 is the worst Marvel movie, in my opinion. Right. But still worth watching. Is it? I think so. I mean, the entire final fight scene is just them falling.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it was entertaining, at least. You know? I mean, it's not something I'm going to go back and rewatch and watch it and be like, hell, yeah, you know? I'd say it's worth watching just to get more Loki. And I would tell people that. Oh, that makes sense.

That's a good way to put it, man. Okay, next up was the Spider-Man Homecoming. They showed a little bit of footage. A lot of people said the footage is a compare, you can compare it to freaks and geeks with a little bit of John Hughes. What? Yeah, that sounds awesome.

It's not directed by Paul Figg by any chance, is it? No, John Watts. John Watts. Jack, you familiar with him? Hey, he did, I think I'm, maybe I'm thinking of somebody else. He did Copcar? Yes. And the clown movie, too, that just came out.

You guys just reviewed it. What the fuck was that called? Oh, that dude, okay. It was just clown? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, clown sucked for me, but I love Copcar.

I fucking love Copcar. Yeah, I'm down, man. I mean, I think that when it comes to these Marvel movies and actually the Star Wars movies as well. Right. I think that they're much more of a movie by committee than anybody wants to admit, you know. So I don't think the directors matter very much, you know. So I'm not really worried about that. I'm sure that it'll be fine.

Like, you still have Kevin Feigie. you've got like the same core creative team that's steering the ship so you know i think that that you know it could still be pretty awesome so man i never saw that one yeah copcar's a great movie dude if you ever get a chance you should you should definitely see that i feel like we've had this conversation well it's the same guy who directed clown we were just talking about that but as you know i didn't enjoy clown that much yeah yeah you liked it okay didn't you I thought it was all right. And they've also confirmed that the villain in this movie will be Vulture.

And I believe he's going to be played by Michael Keaton. Birdman himself. Michael Keaton. Okay, very cool. Who better to play Vulture? That ought to be good. Next up is Guardians of the Galaxy, Volume 2. A lot of casting news.

They showed a trailer at Comic Con, which they said they probably won't release it until Dr. Strange comes out. Okay. Is he in it? Who? Dr. Strange. No, they're just waiting until a Marvel release to release a trailer, I guess. Kurt Russell is confirmed to be ego, the living planet. Right.

And they also confirmed he is going to be Star Lord's father. Okay. Probably going to butcher these names. Elizabeth Debicki is playing Aisha. and Palm Clemtif is playing Mantis and Sylvester Stallone

is confirmed to play a Nova Corpse member Really? I'll take anything he's in man That Elizabeth Debicki She was in this BBC miniseries called the Night Manager Really good

So if she's, I think that she's supposed to be the main villain Really? Yeah, she's She was pretty good in that, so You know, decent actress. I haven't seen her in anything else. Well, I've heard good things about the night manager. Is she the one that was in some of the really hot sex scenes with Hiddleston?

Yep. Okay, I heard she's pretty fucking hot. Yes, I can confirm that, yes. All right. He's confirmed. It's been there. And one more thing for Guardians. The Guardians of the Galaxy Ride will be replacing Tower of Terror

at Disney in California. Oh, wow. Okay. In California or Florida? California. Okay. Yeah, we went to Disney last year and we did the Tower of Terror. That's a pretty fucking fun ride.

I went when it first came out, man. Oh, you've been too, huh? Yeah. Florida? Yeah. That actually brings up a question for you guys that I had. This is getting a little bit off book, but I don't know. Good time to bring it up maybe.

So everything's getting remade and rebooted and all this other shit, right? So, like, everything, every studio that owns a property is trying to develop whatever it is, right? I mean, there was even a fucking gem in the holograms movie last year. I mean, the fuck. Right. How long do you guys think before we see some new Twilight Zone? Oh.

Well, they've already had like three iterations of it, right? Yeah, I don't know. It seems like I wouldn't be surprised because CBS originally aired it. Okay. Would not be surprised if Star Trek, if that becomes popular, if the next thing that they hit is Twilight Zone. Well, I'll tell you what, I'd certainly be down for that, man. Yeah, I would say, but sooner than later, I mean, they are about to, they are rebooting tales from the Crip. Right.

Oh, and it's, uh, all those older shows. Jack, your favorite guy is, is going to be the showrunner, man. Yeah, I'm just going to have to cozy on up with the old episodes, so. Who's the favorite guy, man? Mr. Mr. Yeah, Mr. Yeah, Mr.

Shamelama, and ding-dong, so. Really? Oh, man. Sorry, dude. You just kicked me in the nuts. Yeah, that dickhead. And our final thing from the Marvel panel is a thing that we had talked about the rumors is now confirmed. Bree Larson is Captain Marvel.

I like that. Yeah. Great choice. She's good actress. I know nothing about Captain Marvel, but. Yeah, same here, but I'll watch it. That's a cheeseball character. Is she kind of a second or third tier, kind of like Ant Man was?

It seems like a, it's like a Mr. Marvel character, you know what I mean? Sure. Or I think as Jack referred to him, a tertiary character? Yeah. I'm not quite sure. I was like, why are we making a movie about this? Nah, whatever. Fuck it, let's do it.

Yeah, I think she's a kind of major character now in the New Civil War. Well, man, I hadn't been in it since before that stuff happened. right yeah all right so it sounds like Marvel is still going to continue to dominate

the comic book movie scene for a while huh pretty much yeah it seems like it and

we pretty much talked about most of the the Marvel TV TV shows we had spoke on it before you guys

have seen any of the Marvel uh trailers for the TV shows uh Luke Cage or anything I saw the Defenders trailer

okay Yeah, could use of music. I mean, there's nothing in it. You know what you mean? Right. More of a teaser, really, wouldn't you say? Yeah, I just hope Punisher's the bad guy, that's all. I really hope that he's a bad guy, because I just want more Punisher.

Yeah. Yeah, you got to happen. That's fair. Punisher was really good. I'm actually watching Daredevil Season 2 right now, and he's pretty fucking good in that. He's solid. Yeah, absolutely. I got to watch it.

And our last thing, not a lot of horror came. out of Comic-Con this year, but there was a lot of Ash versus Evil Dead casting confirmations. Yep, got no problem with any of those, man. Okay, Lee Majors will be playing Ash's father, Brock. I like that. Ted Ramey is going to be Ash's childhood friend. Why not? They're bringing back Alan Sandwise, who played his sister from the original Evil Dead movie.

Awesome. She's going to be on the show. Awesome. Yeah. I like that. I'm not too familiar with this actor. Joel Tabick, he's going to be playing the main villain. They said he was on Sun's Anarchy.

He was one of the true IRA members. And who is this main villain supposed to be, do you know? Ball? Like some sort of a god or something? Yeah, I guess he, if you guys are familiar with the season one, I guess he is more powerful than Lucy Lawless's character. And when she released everything with the book, I guess he was one of the demons released. Interesting.

Okay. But other than that, nothing really as far as horror news was released during Comic-Con. So that's all we have right here. How about our DC Suicide Squad news? Did you hear that they've got a petition against Rotten Tomatoes? Yeah. That was the big news this week, wasn't it? Which is interesting because I was told that Warner Brothers owns both of them.

Right. So I don't think they're purposely singling out DC movies. I thought that was what the whole petition was for. They're getting unfair, bad reviews. That's insane. And every real DC fan that I've heard, talk about this has been like, this is fucking stupid.

Pretty crazy, huh? Yeah, from what I read, there are over 15,000 signatures already. Really? Yeah, but they're not shutting they're not shutting down Rotten Tomatoes. Obviously, they're not shutting down Rotten Tomatoes. That's dumb. It just makes you wonder how much time some people have and then, like, what they spend

it on? Because you would assume that somebody who makes a petition against Rotten Tomatoes will be somebody who has too much time on their hands, but if they took the time to actually understand what the fuck rotten tomatoes is, then, you know what I mean? If they took like another five minutes with their fucking Google machine, just to figure out that like, oh, it's an aggregate.

It's not a real fucking thing. I don't. That was my thought. I was like, I don't think that they understand how rotten tomatoes works. Yeah, since we're on a suicide squad, But it's already broken opening day record for August. Cool. From what I understand.

So I was just going to say that was the last bit of news we got. Well, I'll tell you what, we couldn't have a better, could not have a better entry into what we're going to talk about next. So on to tonight's featured attractions. So folks, tonight we tackle the new DC Comics Group of Outlaws, Suicide Squad. And then we're going to dig into another do-or-dye scenario with John Carpenter's Escape from New York. As always, we will start out with some suicide squad trivia.

The director and writer was David Ayer, also known for harsh times, end of watch, and most recently Fury. Also wrote the screenplay for Training Day, which I'm sure everybody here is seen. Jared Leto got so immersed in playing the Joker, and he wouldn't break out a character on set even when he wasn't filming. He even sent his fellow cast members Joker-like presence. A rat to Margo Roby, and bullets to Will Smith, a soiled Playboy magazine to, and forgive me if I screw up this name, Adiwali, Achanoi, a baggie.

I totally fucked that one up. Just say Mr. Echo, it's fine. Yeah, Mr. Echo from Lost, and a dead hog, anal beads, and used condoms for the whole crew. Scott Eastwood commented that Leto frightened him at times with his behavior. Another interesting thing is that Ryan Gosling was actually first sought out for the role of the Joker. He reportedly turned down the role because he didn't want to sign on for a multi-picture deal that the studio was requiring. Two songs chosen for the trailers, Bohemian Rhapsody and Ballroom Blitz, are also in the Wayne's World movie soundtrack. And Oprah Winfrey, Viola Davis, Carrie Washington, and Octavia Spencer were all frontrunners for the role of a

Amanda Waller before Davis was actually cast. And I don't know about you guys, but I thought she did a pretty good job. So normally when we do the show, we ask our guests to kind of, you know, start things going on the reviews. So in this case, Dan, I think you probably would like to go first here, right? Yeah, sure. Being more of a DC guy kind of makes sense, I suppose. To be fair, full disclosure, I have not read a... ton of Suicide Squad comics, but I have read a few for various crossovers. I also picked up a couple

in like the quarter bin section for some of the 80s stuff. Yeah, it reads really well. Let's see, this movie, this movie is a bit of a mess. I like to think of it as like a really great first draft of a movie. It didn't feel very polished. It seemed to have jumped around. quite a bit. Casting-wise, I think pretty much everyone does a really good job. But it's just they don't necessarily have a lot to work with.

And I thought it was weird how they tried to, like, cram in the Joker and Batman when, yeah, it just didn't really have time for it. That was my biggest issue with the whole thing, man. It was a freaking...

Joker didn't get a whole lot of airtime. Yeah. It's, that's DC's biggest problem is that they don't have any direction with their movies. They just kind of are trying to build the entire world, which Marvel didn't do until they teased it in the first Iron Man and then kind of built up a little bit in Iron Man too, which is one of the worst Barbel movies. and then like builds from there

and DC is just rushing that and focusing too much on the world building and not enough on like actually making a great coherent movie. Yeah, I can kind of agree with that. That makes sense.

That being said in Suicide Squad is a hell of a lot of fun just very disjointed and frenetic is a good word. Well, what about you, Jack? What did you think about this movie? I don't need it.

It's difficult. I mean, I know we're going to record another kind of spoilery special episode after this. So we don't have to go to too much detail yet, but just kind of, you know, your basic overview. All right, so because not everybody may know where I'm coming from with this. So I'm sort of like Bench Media's Resident Batman fanatic, okay? Sure. I love Batman. I like the more realistic stuff about Batman.

I really started getting into the mythology in the comics in 2008 before Dark Night came out, and I really, like, Dark Night came at the perfect time for me. It was just like a perfect storm of, you know, I was just getting into all the right books and saw that, and I just became a fucking fanatic from that point on. I really love Nolan's trilogy. There are problems in Batman Begins, and there are like a couple issues in Rises, but, and I know that there are, like, editing issues and shit in Dark Night, but for me, like, those, I love those movies.

I love them. Dark Night's Batman movies. For, so far, yeah. I mean, Dark Night is just, to me, a fucking opus. Like, it's the godfather of comic book movies. It's, it's amazing. I love it. And I love the books.

I love The Killing Joke. Dark Night Returns. The Cult is a massively underrated Batman book that is fucking incredible. The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Death in the Family. family, all that stuff. Great, great runs Batman. And, you know, Batman v. Superman this year, I am right now sitting in a three on ten for that movie. I think that there are good things about what Affleck's doing.

I think he has the potential to maybe surpass bail in terms of on-screen Batman performances. But the writing just betrays him horribly in that movie. So came into Suicide Squad, fairly hyped up for it. But for me, the movie had to do three things, right? Because when the bad reviews started coming out and all that shit, I started saying, okay, well, I'm still going to see it. What do I need this movie to do for me to be okay with it? And it was three things.

I had to be okay with Batman in it. I knew he wasn't going to be in it much, but I had to be okay with him. Had to be okay with Joker and, you know, Harley Quinn needed to be fine. Unfortunately, I would say two and a half of those things, we're complete failures. Wow. Oh, man. Really?

Yeah. Yeah. So for me, there's almost nothing in suicide squad that works. And then that's not even taking into account the fundamental problems with the movie of me being lost. Like, genuinely lost for 75% of that movie, not understanding a fucking thing about the, like, why anything is happening at any time. Like just horrible, horrible writing and even worse editing that leaves you lost at every fucking moment of that movie. We're just going to decide to take over the world. Why fuck it?

Why not? I'm sure, man. I couldn't tell you. I don't know. Is that what was going on? Sure. Great. So, I guess.

That was the gist. Yeah. So we'll dive in a little bit more later, but it wasn't good, man. I left the theater really upset. Well, I'll tell you what, we're going to agree on some of the. of that, but as far as the performances, I thought there were a couple of performances I really enjoyed. Yeah, definitely a couple standouts. I would say Leto did a pretty stand-up job as the Joker, because I was really, really worried he was going to try to do a Heath Ledger mimic,

and he didn't do that at all. I mean, he was a totally different character. He reminded me more of the 80s Joker than, you know, the Nicholson Joker than he did Ledger. But I thought he did a decent job. I thought Will Smith was really good. It was a Will Smith show. I really enjoyed... Yeah, I really enjoyed his performance. Probably more than anything I've seen him in since Independence Day. I think he was kind of back to the badass Will Smith.

I thought Ike Barron Holes was a really funny choice, a good choice for the prison guard. I enjoyed that. Oh, yeah. Margo Robbie, I mean, for what she was, she was obviously blatantly way over-sexualized. There's no doubt about it. I mean, she was just there for candy.

Let's face the facts. But she was definitely good to watch. Did I think she did a great acting job? Yeah, I may have to re-watch it again. And again, I think Viola Davis was really good at what she did. So I thought the performances were there. It started out to me as a nice David Ayers movie. And I really like everything he's ever done.

He's got that tough gangster L.A. vibe to a lot of his movies, which I was picking up on that and vibing on that for probably at least the first 30 or 40 minutes of the movie. After that, everything did kind of fucking go to shit. And a lot of it was the writing. And it's almost like if they had told it in a little bit different order, like if they'd change the sequence up a little bit, like let's say that this government organization had gotten involved with the enchantress and then problems started having or then problems started happening then they had to go out and hire the suicide squad I could get that a little more yeah but the way they presented it everything was just out of order and it was kind of like they created their own fuck up you know

that's yeah that I'm I'm afraid to say anything on a non-spoiler review but a lot of the things that you're saying, I have responses to in the spoiler cast. Well, so we'll talk about all that later, but that's my general overview. I enjoy David Ayer, and I liked some of the, some of the visuals that he had early, and

some of the characterizations. I definitely didn't recognize Jay Hernandez. I had no idea that was him, until I saw the credits at the end. So he did a good job. I thought the performances were pretty decent, and some of the visuals were good, and of course, there was obviously some good special effects and I

candy. But I mean, yeah, the story was shit. There's no other way to put it. The story was absolute garbage. Well, they did the same thing. And they really tried to, it's just like Batman be Superman. They try to jam too much into one fucking movie and they end up screwing everything up.

And they didn't give anybody a chance to be in there. I will tell you this. This was the very first time that I've ever watched the Australian actor. The really, really fucking horrible Australian actor. What's his name? Jai Courtney. Jai Courtney.

Everything he's ever been and I hated him in. But I thought he was actually almost kind of right for this part. But anyway, let somebody else go. You got it hyped up right there for a minute. No, that's kind of what I was saying. I think that you had too many people with too many backstories to fit in one movie. You know, this is, there goes back to the same problem. They're trying to do what Marvel did in eight or nine movies,

but in like two movies. And you can't fucking do that. You can't cram that much shit in one movie and expect everybody to follow it. Now, having said that though, I think Margot Robbie was awesome. I think that Will Smith was awesome. I didn't even know he's going to be a lead in this movie.

I hated the fucking Joker, man. I hated him. I really kind of liked him. Which sucks because I really love Jared Leto and I really love the Joker, but I thought he came off as a little more drunk than sociopath. And it bothered me.

Every time he was on screen, I was like, man, you know, maybe I'll give him one more scene. But he's only in a couple of scenes. And I just, he didn't, there was nothing that he did that I was like, that was fucking cool, man. I've kind of heard him referred to as something like James Franco and Spring Breakers. Dan or Jack, when he got, either are you guys see that in his character at all? I don't. I mean, maybe they're just comparing the gold teeth. Make it as simple as that.

The grill. I didn't see it either. That's part of what got me, dude, the grill. I like the, I like the idea, the gangster, you know, like the mob leader Joker or whatever. But with the grill, man, it pains me to say it, but Jared Lotto wasn't pulling that shit off, dude. I didn't like it. I just don't think that the Joker should be fucking Tony Montana with green hair. That's it.

You guys are in Loxygen, that's it. That's just what you were saying earlier, man. I think that's kind of what it's doing, man. You're exactly right. And I've got a lot more to say later. All right, cool. But Marco Robbie and Will Smith, dude, made that fucking movie. And I think it was worth watching, and it was fun.

But you're right. It was a little scattered brain, and they crammed too many little backstories into it. And it was a little long for my takes. Actually, I've got a question for you. So you like Will Smith in the movie, but does it bother you at all that all of these guys are supposed to be bad guys, yet none of them are bad guys? And by the end, they're just a team of heroes. Like, does that bother anybody else? Ah, come on, dude.

I didn't get that vibe at all. I mean, I thought they were still, if they had had the opportunity, they would have gotten away with some shit, I think. I don't think Deadshot would have. They paint him as a fucking doting father that's doing anything for his daughter. Well, you're just referring to one particular scene. that we don't want to go into because it's toward the end and we can talk about No, no, no, no, no. I mean, you have

to, you have to be pulled for your protagonist, you know? Yeah, but don't you think that it would have been a unique opportunity to take the perspective of the villain and really explore that? Like, I don't know. It just seems like it devolved into, let's try

and make this as much like Guardians of the Galaxy as possible. You know, and trailers didn't indicate that. I got you. I got you, man. Yeah, that would have been interesting if they'd gone that route. But, I mean, they have to imbue them with some humanity. I understand. But, well, we'll get in with it.

Brian, what did you think, man? I'm really struggling with this. After listening to you guys, my rating is dropping here. Me too, man. I don't have a problem with any of the casting. I think it may be more how the characters were written. Yes, absolutely. I was all, just like Jack said,

I was also confused at what was going on in this movie. As far as the mission and what was the goal of, what was her name? Enchantress. Enchantress, yeah. Yeah. As far as the act, Margot Robbie, as I'm fine with her as Harley Quinn, but. More than fine with her as well. I didn't.

I didn't. I didn't get the crazy that I wanted to get out of Harley Quinn. Really? That was portrayed in, yeah. I don't know, I liked it. See, I haven't read too many of the comics. You guys probably have a leg up on me on that. And I agree with what you guys are saying about Will Smith

because I was not high on him in this movie, as much as I was Jared Letto as the Joker, but watching the movie, it kind of switched. I was more higher on Will Smith. But I do kind of agree for them to be villains, they didn't really seem too bad. But they said that they're villains like eight times. Oh, good point, dude.

I mean, they were... I know, I just, by the end, I didn't really buy them. You know, these are supposed to be, as Amanda Waller put it, they throw them in the hole and throw away the hole. I didn't think they were that too much, too bad. The worst of the worst, as they said. Yeah, I didn't get that. Right.

So... Yeah, I got you. There was some posturing early. on, but that was about it, right? But as far as casting, I was fine with everybody. It's just, I think it was now that I'm thinking, because

I really just got out of this movie, probably an hour after we started recording, or hour before, I mean, and I, it's, I've been thinking about it, and I don't know. I think it was more so how this movie was written, and I think

we'll have a lot more in spoilers. There you go, man. All right, so we're going to come back to this one. I guess guys, we're probably ready to go ahead and roundtable the scores here. So, Dan, the way we do it here, man, we're on a scale of one to ten, just real simple, man. One means it was one of the worst pieces of shit you've ever seen. Ten means it was a masterpiece. I don't know if I have any film that I've ever seen that I would give a ten, except possibly a Clockwork Orange. Nice. So, Dan, where would you rate this movie? Um

It's Bottom line is that I definitely had Quite a bit of fun at this movie Which sure Has been lacking a lot this summer That aspect of films So for that I think I'd gotta give it like

A six Okay cool Maybe six and a half Right If I'm feeling generous Fair enough man What about you Jack Uh, two out of ten.

Two. Oh, keep in mind, they give Batman versus Superman a three out of ten. Wow. You fucking hated this more than that?

That is a best of so. God damn, dude. And I fucking hated that movie. Wow. We had a three-hour podcast about how much I hated that movie on bingemedia.comnet.

I listen to every brutal minute of that podcast, man. It was just as painful for me, believe it. Right. Well, I'm going to, I'm going to be a little bit more, a little bit less brutal, I guess you would say. I'll give it a five and a half. It wasn't exactly middle of the road. I really, really did enjoy the special effects. I really did enjoy some of the acting I thought was much better than what I was expecting. I'm going to tell you the truth. When I went into this movie, I was fully expecting to hate it. I had no intentions of liking this movie at all. And the first half hour I really enjoyed.

And I stuck with it the first half hour. And then things kind of fell apart. I don't know. I'll give it a five and a half. And that's going to be based primarily on Will Smith's performance and Viola Davis's performance. And again, I actually kind of like this Joker. So what about you, Philip? Man, I'm going to say six.

I think that there was a lot of... There was definitely a lot of plot holes and stuff, but, I mean, if you go back and look at even some classic movies, just old school style, sometimes you just got to get past those plot holes, you know what I mean? Right. If they say that, hey, this is why we're doing this to save the world, you kind of got to go with it sometimes.

And I think that, again, Margot Robbie and Will Smith really killed it. Joker fucked it up for me, but I'd still say it was worth watching. fun time. All right, Brian? I'm going to give it a five. Right in the middle. Yeah, I was fine with the acting, like I said.

Jared Leto, now that I'm thinking about, he kind of let me down a little bit. Again, I didn't understand what was going on in this movie. And I'm going to go ahead and give it a five. And I think David Ayers spoke too soon when he told Marvel to fuck off or fuck Marvel at the red carpet. And he told the critics to kiss his ass. So he spoke a little too soon.

Maybe he should have stuck with Jake Gyllenha done a couple more tough L.A. street gang movies with him or something, huh? All right. So our next movie, guys, is another movie with similar themes, 1981's Escape from New York. The director is John Carpenter, who all of our listeners know about. If not, go back and listen to the last week's episode,

and you'll know everything you'd ever want to know about John Carpenter because last week we did a retrospective. The writers were John Carpenter and also Nick Castle, who also wrote Tag the Assassination Game, Hook, and Escape from L.A. During the prison Broadway scene, director John Carpenter is the one playing the violin. You can also see Roger Bumpus, or Bumpus, or however you pronounce it. Any of you guys know who Roger Bumpus is?

Nope. He is the voice of Squidward on SpongeBob SquarePets. He was actually one of the dancers in that Broadway review scene they had. That is a fantastic piece of trivia. It's fucking Randy. The movie was made in 1981, the same year as the setting for the film, a most violent year. In 1981, there were more reported robberies in New York City,

and I'm talking over 120,000 than any year in its history. There were over 2,100 murders that year, which was actually slightly down from the previous year, including such infamous crimes as the mob-related Shamrock Bar murders in Queens. Now, this is interesting. Chuck Norris, Tommy Lee Jones,

Clint Eastwood, and Charles Bronson were all considered for the role of Snake Pliskin. Donald Pleasance took it upon himself to write a backstory for his character, the president, of course. His story included a Margaret Thatcher-dominated world in which the United States had reverted to being a colony of England, none of which Carpenter used. So that's pretty much the trivia for this one. So, Jack, you want to get things started here, man? Yeah, for sure. So Carpenter, you know, you guys did a fantastic job going over Carpenter on, what was that last week's episode?

Yeah, that was the Carpenter retrospective. Yes, awesome, awesome episode. I'm a big Carpenter fan. He was one of the first genre directors that I really got into when it started getting into flicks way back when. Right. And, you know, two of his movies, for me, are Tens, Halloween and the thing, especially The Thing. I love both of those movies. I watch them at least yearly.

It used to be that I would wait a couple years to watch the thing so that I would forget about who gets killed when and all that. But yeah, those are absolute stone cold classics for me. Yeah, you and Brian would agree on that one. I think that's pretty awesome. Assault on Precinct 13, I think it's a great movie. Starman's okay. I see what he's doing there.

It's good enough. But Christine, I'm not you, John. I like Big Trouble in Little China. Prince of Darkness is good. They live is, you know, cheesy, awesome. So, yeah, I'm a pretty big carpenter fan. Escape from New York has always been one of those movies in his catalog that I had trouble with. Because I'm sure you guys know what I'm talking about, but you know there are some movies that, like, just do not stick in your memory for whatever reason.

Like, you'll see them and then you forget that you've seen them sort of thing. This has always been one of those for me. and I remember over the years like trying to rewatch it and like the first 15 minutes just being super slow and just you know full of like 80's cheesiness not at the movie's fault it's just when it was made

right almost like a canon film a little bit huh? A little bit yeah so you know I was glad rewatching it for this podcast because I saw a lot more that I really liked about it than you know in previous iterations watching the movie it's an awesome

movie. It's just, it is a dated movie. Like, I don't think that you can deny that while this concept was fairly fresh for 1981, this movie was such an influence on so many other movies that have come out, namely, like, the last two purge movies and stuff like that. This one, by

comparison, I think that time is not doing it any favors. You know, I think that this movie's aging kind of poorly, whereas the thing in Halloween, to me, are like really timeless films. Yeah. Still a badass plot. Like, I think This is maybe

Kurt Russell's coolest acting. I don't know. It's kind of a toss-up between this and really all of his John Carpenter films. Yeah, Kurt Russell's pretty awesome. Absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah, you know, Lee Van Cleef,

that's a big get for me because I'm a huge, Good, the Bad, and the Ugly fan, so that's pretty awesome. Actually, you were saying that Clint Eastwood was almost cast. That would have been kind of interesting. But, yeah, no, it's a good time.

I mean, this is the kind of movie that, like, you got to recommend to the right kind of person, you know, because I don't think that people who are nowadays watching, like, Jason Bourne and Jack Reacher and all that shit, I don't think that a lot of people would have the patience to see all the good stuff in this movie. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, it's good stuff. I mean, I think this is, if I was making a Suicide Squad movie, personally, I would have modeled it a lot closer to what they did here, personally. Well, there you have it, man.

I think they were obviously trying to copy it in certain spots, especially when they got the shots in the neck, you know? Yeah. Yep. That's actually what I was just thinking, too. No, this is a classic, it really is. It's a classic 80s movie. It's definitely worth your time if you haven't seen it to the listeners out there.

Cool. All right, Dan, your turn, man. Yeah. I'm a little bit young. So this is my first time watching this one. And as far as John Carpenter goes, like, I respect him, but I don't think I've seen everything. I definitely seen Halloween. I watched that probably regular yearly basis.

I checked this one out today, and kind of in the background, I wasn't giving my full attention, to be fair. But, yeah, like, you were just saying, it didn't fully grow. grab me. Again, I'm half paying attention to it to begin with, but there's definitely some great stuff, some really good action, but I totally agree that it does not at all. It's not very timeless. It's definitely a product of the 80s, and you can definitely see that. I don't think it hurts it too bad. Probably the biggest thing that stands up, that does hurt it is the you know the whole 9-11 thing

like the Twin Towers are kind of a part of the plot to a very small extent but like that's not there anymore but yeah I don't know it's a weird movie definitely very 80s that there's a lot of good to it there

there's some very slow parts I also agree that Suicide Squad should have been much more closer to this and not another oh my god the world's going to end kind of movie where the stakes are just unreachable well you know Dan the the twin towers

were still standing in 1997 which is when this movie was set in the future right yeah so technically technically in this alternate universe yeah they were still there It's very true. It's, it, I don't know, it's just... It was kind of creepy.

It was very creepy seeing him, though, wasn't it? It hit you a little bit when I started talking about the Twin Towers and you're like, oh, that's not anymore. That's what I meant by that. It's just, it's always hard to see that on screen anywhere. Absolutely. Well, this was actually one of, well, one of the few films that really hits me in the heart every time I see it, because I lost my dad a couple of years ago, and this was one of the movies that he and I used to watch together pretty frequently back in the 80s and the early 90s.

So it means a lot to me. You know, I guess it's kind of funny looking back at it because I really hadn't watched it in probably about 10 years. But the beginning part where you've got Pliskin coming in and they're arresting him and everything. And I thought it was really funny. It was really funny how the prisoners are walking down the hallway and the requirements. recorded voice says, you have the option to terminate and be cremated on the premises, or you can go to New York. It's like, holy shit. What's fucking choice is that?

And it is really cool looking back on it. And by the way, that film, A Most Violent Year, the one with Oscar Isaac in it, have you guys all seen that? Yeah, it's a great movie. Really, really great movie. And it's so fucking ironic that this movie was made the same year that that movie was set. So you've got to understand back then New York was considered like a cesspool of filth and degeneration. So that gives it a little bit of kind of an extra kick now, knowing that. It was kind of funny how they had like the crazies in the subway.

And as you talked about the top of the World Trade Center and everything where he had to land the plane, not very well, by the way, but at least he did, you know, he did land it. I thought it was kind of cheesy in certain parts. As we talked about earlier, Jack, kind of almost a canon feel to it with some of the crazy special effects. Everybody in it put on a good performance. Donald Pleasance. As you said, Lee Van Cleef.

I mean, obviously, Kurt Russell is Snake Pliskin. There's no doubt about it. I thought Harry Dean Stanton was really, really good. The only film I've ever seen him in that I probably liked him more was Repo Man. Have you guys seen that one? Of course. The great Emilio Estevez playing a punk rocker in L.A., and he becomes a repo man.

And Harry Dean Stanton is kind of the guy who teaches him how to go out and repo the cars. That was a fucking phenomenal role. But I've always liked Harry Dean Stanton. So, yeah, I mean, overall, I've enjoyed everything about this movie every time I've seen it. And going back and revisiting, it was a real treat.

So, yeah, I really, I really like this one, guys. Nice. Any of you guys, Metal Gear Solid fans? That was exactly what I was about to bring up. I think that I think that the character

is probably better than the movie in this situation. Snake Pliskin is a cool fucking character, man. Yeah, I agree with that. Obviously, the influence for Solid Snake from Metal Gear Solid

and has been in all the games since they started. It definitely was dated. You know, it's got that same 80s thing the enemy mine had going for it. I think it holds up maybe a little better than that one.

But you're right, man. I started watching it earlier today and I kind of fell asleep. Oh shit. Ranking endorsement from Philadelphia. Okay, no, okay. All right. To be fair, though,

I had just cooked a bunch of burgers and shit and I ate like two of them and a couple of hot dogs, a bunch of beer. I was definitely feeling it man I was I was I had a lot of food in my gut

and dealing with kids and the the movie was going and yeah I fell asleep I had to rewatch it again what did you think though did you did you get all the way through it

yeah I did I still like it I think it's a classic you kind of have to look at it more as like a a piece of theater like a play more than a movie I think that's how it kind of comes across Pretty fitting for Broadway, huh?

Yeah. And I actually, I think that I'm more of a fan of Escape from L.A. I was going to bring that up. Is that the same movie as this one? With the hang glider. Dude, that is an awesome scene. Is it the second one the same plot as this one? It's the exact same thing.

Oh, yeah, no. Okay. It's the exact same thing except. It's... But it has Bruce Campbell. And it also has Peter Fonda and Kurt Russell surfing. Oh.

And Pam Greer. Actually, no, now that we talk about it, yeah, it kind of is fucking awesome. Yeah? The only thing he didn't say was Charlie don't surf, huh? No, but I think, you know, the character was awesome. I think it's definitely a classic.

It's, you got to watch. it if you've never watched it. You know, it's one of those that you probably shouldn't skip. Right. You might not need to rewatch it every year, but you got to watch it once.

All right, fair enough. Brian, what do you think, man? When I rewatch this movie, it's probably the second or third time I probably ever watched this movie. It hasn't really been high on my John Carpenter list. But I actually enjoyed it a little bit more

rewatching it. Again, this I agree. This is a movie, you know, I don't remember a whole bunch about. Like, I totally forget Isaac Hayes is the villain in this movie. Oh, fuck, yeah, dude. What about that car, man? Chef, this is the bad guy. Oh, with the chandelier or the disco ball or whatever. Yeah, hell yeah, dude.

Yeah, and also... You're not going on, man. Yeah, I also reminds you how hot Adrian Barbeau was back in the day. Oh, she's hot as hell, dude. but yeah i really enjoyed this movie more for the snake pliskin character which you know when you were reading these uh other actors that they wanted to um i don't see anybody else playing him which um the this remake that i've heard they've been trying to do is gonna be horrible especially with the actors they're trying to get to replace kurt russell

the rock right oh no that's big trouble in little china Oh, okay, thank God for that at least. Wait, you're remaking Big Trouble in Little Chinna with The Rock? Yeah. He talked about it a couple of weeks ago, man. I don't know. I endorse that one. I'm fine with that.

What? I'm fine with... Jack, are you fucking kidding me, dude? No, I think The Rock is an incredibly talented actor. I like him, too, but is he going to play Jack Burton? Come on. Yes, that's my only problem. I'm fine with him in the movie.

but I don't want him to be Jack Burton. I don't know. I think he would fit into that role really well. He brings something new to it. I would want to see him. Anybody in that role, it's him. But it's kind of like the Goonies, man. Probably not one you should be remaking.

Probably, yeah. I guess we shall see, huh? Yeah, I enjoyed a rewatching this. It is dated. It was a good rewatch for me. It was, I enjoyed it. not too much I could really say about it. It's still not going to crack my top list of John Carpenter movies, though.

All right. Well, cool. Jack, what's your score, man? Um, I'm, I'm at seven. Seven's fine. That's pretty good. Pretty strong, man. What were your favorite elements of it? I think it's just that Kurt Russell is so good in the movie.

No shit. No shit. It is the Kurt Russell show. Yeah, he doesn't. have a ton to do, but I don't know, he just has like the good mix of badass and

mystery, you know, like, they don't really go into it very much with who he is and where he came from and... Right, but everybody knows who he is. Yeah, yeah, you know, they add some bullshit lines like, oh, did you do that mission and, you know, X, Y, Z. You know, what fuck it is.

And then he robbed the bank or something that's what got him in jail? Yeah, yeah, yeah. shit like that. You know, it's pretty... I think it's just that he is so good that the movie works. If it wasn't Kurt Russell in the role,

this would probably be nothing. You know, I just think that he's... He elevates it quite a bit. And, you know, just the way it ends. And I think the people, when this movie came out, obviously I wasn't around when it came out, but I have a feeling that people craved this kind of hero, you know? Somebody who just, like, did his job, got in, got out,

did what he was supposed to do, but, like, just still didn't give a fuck. You know? Like him, I could see a crowd, an audience in, you know, 1981 sitting through that movie. And at the end of it when he's ripping the fucking cassette apart, probably clapping for it, you know. It's like that Judd Nelson character.

Exactly. You got it. Raises his fist in the air. All right. Fuck you. Hey, so, Jack, let me ask you this, okay? Compared these guys to Kurt Russell. You ready?

Yep. Say yay or nay, okay? Uh, yay or nay in terms of Better than Kurt Russell If they'd been in it Okay Chuck Norris Worse

Tommy Lee Jones Worse Clint Eastwood That's tough It's too old But not at the time though He was too old in 81 No I'm sorry

He was too old at 81 Hilarious That guy's not fucking Methusel Yeah but But you can't For a thousand years old But you gotta think of it from the perspective of

then it's another Clint Eastwood Lee Van Cleef movie and then it's interesting. Because those guys did some of the best fucking westerns ever. So. All right. So what about Charles Bronson? I'd say nay, because then it's just Death Wish Six or whatever.

All right, fair enough, fair enough. All right, so some great points, man. What about you, Dan? I'd got to go with like a seven as well. Excellent. Definitely earns its cult classic status. Right. All right. Well, I'm going to go a little bit above you guys. I'm going to actually give it at 8.5. And some of that might be the factor of, you know, just the memories that I've got of this movie with my dad, you know? And we'll just leave it at that. So, Philip, what about you, man? Dude, the movie by itself would get a five, but with Kurt Russell in it, it brings it up to a seven because of the character.

that's the reason you're watching this movie to watch this classic kick-ass American hero character A real American hero, huh? One could say. G.I. Joe, motherfucking 101. All right, Brian.

I'm going to go six. Six? Oh, dude. Fucking ice-picked through my heart, man. Yeah, I mean, I enjoy it. I mean, I love him as the snake-pliskin character. Right. and another actor in it that I totally forgot to bring up that every time I see him I got to go check out some of his older movies Tom Atkins oh yeah he's awesome dude Halloween three man season of the night of the creeps creep show all those movies the fog but it just it doesn't seem like a movie that I would revisit a lot right so I give it a six on ten cool all right so listen to feedback

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So, until the horror returns again, good night. All right, listeners, this is actually going to be our first ever the horror returns addendum episode. You guys get a bonus this week because there was so much passion, especially on the part of

our wonderful guest, Mr. Jack Falby the 4th, about this wonderful film, The Suicide Squad, that we just had to do a special, spoilerific 30-minute episode. So, without any further ado, let's get into it. And Jack, since you were the one who really wanted to tear the roof off this mother, as they say, why don't you go first? Yeah. Um, I'd, um, I'd actually, actually love to open this up with a question. What the fuck was anybody doing in this movie at any point?

All right, fair enough. That's a very broad question. Like, okay, so taking it from the plot, right? We get an introduction to Deadshot and an introduction to Harley Quinn. Then we get a scene from Amanda Waller explaining that she's

going to do something with getting the worst of the worst together. Then we get another introduction to Deadshot, another introduction to Harley Quinn and a bunch of title cards and some introduction to some other fucking people with more title cards and then they're told that they have to go and do what Amanda Waller tells them to do but and then they're like thrown into a situation that they're like nobody ever explains what the fuck they're doing there which I would think that like you would want to do if you're going into a war zone you might want to explain to the people who are going

into the war zone with you like what the fuck you're doing there but I guess that was cool by them. They didn't really fucking have a choice. I don't know. I don't know. I guess my biggest problem is I don't really understand anything about the plot of this movie. Yeah, well, I kind of enjoyed the first half hour, like I said before, but I thought

everything fell apart after that, but now that you're putting it this way, it's kind of like, you know, what in the fuck were they thinking from the beginning, right? I mean, Philip, what did you think, man? Yeah, I mean, I guess that kind of makes sense. Why in the hell was enchantress

A, what was she doing? I mean, there was something big spell going on, obviously. And I assume that she was trying to take over the world, because that's what we do every night. But they never really explained why or how or whatever, and you're right. That's a good point, man.

They never even said to the suicide squad members, hey, this is what you're doing, and here's why. They were just like, hey, you're going to go kill this person. All right, let's go. would have been nice. We would have known what was going on. Yeah, and did they not

fucking hire the Enchantress to do something for them? And then what, she fucked up or she got out of their control or something like that? And then they had to come in and pull these guys in to, say, pull their blanket out of the fire or something like that? Yeah, that was, okay, what was the point of having her heart?

That's the thing, the movie... Sorry, go ahead. No, I did, go ahead. I just, I didn't, I just thought of it. I thought the whole purpose of having the heart was to control her. Yeah, so the movie goes to all these lengths to, like, set up rules for the characters, right? Like, Harley Quinn is supposed to not give a shit about anything but getting back to Joker, even though at the end of the movie, when presented with an option to get Joker back,

she chooses to do something else, which I'll get into it a minute, which is fucking ridiculous. But, like, so Enchantress, you're supposed to have. the magical heart. Oh, God. But, like, you're supposed to have the magical heart to control her, right? And they display that happening. But then, like, she gets sent on a mission with her fucking boyfriend and, like, immediately just pieces the fuck out.

Then Amanda Waller destroys the heart, and it does nothing. What the fuck was that about? It's a good point. Pretty ridiculous. It's because she got her brother back, and her brother gave her a piece of his heart. I guess. Did he? Okay. Yeah, that's right. That's right. He did.

But didn't the brother only come back because the enchantress brought him back? She broke him out of the vial, that... A similar one that she was stuck in, yeah. Ah, okay, that's right. But as far as, like, what the fuck is actually happening, there's a very, very clear point right after the 60,000 introductions. which I did thoroughly enjoy sitting through them, but going back and realizing that, yeah,

there's definitely two introductions for Harley Quinn and Deadshot and, like, kind of an introduction for everyone else. Like, that's fairly problematic. They made it obvious who the main characters were. Yeah, they really rushed through everybody else's intro, didn't they? Yeah, and then once we get through all those introses, it basically cuts to three days later without telling you that it cut to three days later and there's this huge world-ending event that you don't know what's happening you don't know

why it's happening you don't even know what she's doing besides her fucking jigolo dance in front of her magical light show why the hell is she dancing the whole time i was kind of wondering that too hey guys am i got a big ass cloud in front of her yeah but hey am i the only one who got a Ghostbusters vibe from this whole fucking bullshit. Totally. Special effects. I can see that.

Cross Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters too, right? Yeah. Yeah. And cross that with a, you know, car sale dealership,

wacky, wavy, plightling two men. Oh, come on. dress her up as the enchantress. Wow. But, like, so,

so, you know, not even really getting into, like, the meat of, the things that they fucked up about the characters, like the double introduction of certain characters,

like wouldn't it just have made more sense to cut out the first two introductions and cut out the first Amanda Waller explaining what she's doing seen and just consolidate all that shit by making it start with a conversation in the government room around a table saying, you know, the ex-superman might not be good or whatever. Like what was the point of having that conversation twice?

that was kind of dumb wasn't it? Yeah, it's really, it's just the biggest, and, you know, I think we all kind of alluded to it, but the biggest problem in this movie is the writing. Like, just nothing, there's no logic added to the proceedings at any point in the fucking movie. Like, you know, this is now a world where obviously the Flash exists, and he's somehow, like, working with the government on some level, he caught Captain Boomerang, right? Yeah, that's right.

And that was actually a pretty decent scene. I kind of enjoyed it. But, like, why wouldn't, why is it that you would grab a woman with a baseball bat and a guy who never misses, like, why are these the people that you're sending to go and fight some, like, ethereal force? Wouldn't it make more sense to contact, like, the Flash and Batman, who we find out at the end of the movie, she's in contact with anyways, dude? I was thinking, where the fuck is bad?

Batman this whole time. Like, I don't understand. It just seems like this whole problem is way above these fuckers pay grade. That's a great way to put it. I, like, and then fucking the Rick Flagg character. Much people out of prison, because that'll go well. I just don't understand the logic. And then, like, there's that scene where they're in the bar.

And Will Smith, you know, he's got to do his hero shit, right? He's like, you know, man, we almost pulled it off. thought we could. You know what I literally said? I turned to my girlfriend and I said, what the fuck is he talking about? Like, who thought they were pulling what off? And that they almost did?

Like, what the fuck? Is anybody talking about in this fucking movie? It's awful. And it doesn't even get to Joker in Harley. So, so are you guys like, you guys like big Batman fans? Like, you get to Harley Quinn or Joker or any of that stuff? Not at all.

I like the movies. I actually like the 80s. I especially like the Michael Keaton films. Okay. And I really, really enjoyed the original Joker in those movies. But, I mean, of course, Heath Ledger was good as the Joker. But of the three new Batman movies, I really kind of only enjoyed that middle one. I didn't like Batman Begins that much.

I thought it was kind of slow. And I thought that the Dark Night Rises. I thought the Bain was just a fucking joke. But, yeah, that's my opinion. And to be honest with you, I haven't read that many of the comics. So I'm probably not the, you know, Batman expert here. Sure. Yeah, and I'm definitely not a D.C. expert at all,

but Batman is the one that I'm the most familiar with. And I love the new Batman movies with Christian Bale. Yeah. And I'm actually really looking forward to Affleck as Batman. I say I'm really looking forward to him because you didn't really see a lot of him. You didn't really see a lot of him in this movie. And then even in the Batman versus Superman, there was just too much other stuff going on to focus on one character.

And so I'm hoping that with him directing this new Batman movie, that it's going to be kick-ass. He's a hell of a director. I don't think I've ever seen a film that he's directed that I haven't enjoyed. But I'm a Batman fan. And I know enough about Harley Quinn and the Joker to, to know that I did not like the Joker. Okay.

What about you, Dan and Brian? You guys' knowledge, like, you know a lot about their dynamic or kind of just just sharing shit? A little bit. I'm just now getting back into the comics, so I'm not too familiar. Yeah, I've read quite a bit of Batman. Not a lot with Harley Quinn in it. Holly Quinn is basically Stockholm Syndrome personified.

So, like, just the fact that that's being glorified as, like, this new cool superhero and they don't really address the, like, mental health issues of it is not a great portrayal. But as far as, like, adaptation goes, that's not portrayed really anywhere that I've ever seen. So not super shocking. again, I just viewed as a missed opportunity for them to have a conversation that is probably good for some people to have about mental health. Yeah, I don't know. I'm big on in franchises. Like, you have to pay attention to the right things.

You know, if it's Star Trek and it's the Star Trek reboot, you need to make sure that you understand the essence of the crew. like what makes them important and what makes them who they are. And that's why I like Star Trek beyond so much, because it got back to that, like, understanding that this is how Spock interacts with Bones and that Kirk is, you know, the fact that he was reflecting on his place in the universe

really served his character well, you know? But I think that there's a line that you have to get to when you're making these franchise movies where you have to understand and respect what the character is to begin with and then make, make your new thing with certain fundamental characteristics intact. You know, with Batman.

Like, the whole him killing a lot of people in Batman v. Superman is pretty valid. I mean, there's a lot of collateral damage there, and there's not much said about it in the way of, like, you know, Alfred saying, hey, maybe you're going over the edge or whatever. Like, nobody ever says that to him, so it's a little weird in that movie. In this movie, Harley and Joker, in the animated series, is where Holly Quinn comes from. The whole idea is that, yeah, she's Stockholm syndrome, like you said,

and she's infatuated with the Joker, but the Joker sees her as like a toy to play with. He doesn't actually love or care about her. Like, he's not ever going to go out of his way to, say, break her out of prison unless it's serving some ulterior motive to fuck with Batman. Like, that is what Joker does.

That's core to his character. To be fair, I didn't get a whole lot of, Joker really caring for Harley in this movie. I don't know, that's all I got. Yeah, that's all I got, too, because he spent majority in a movie trying to free her. I mean, it was the one scene where he killed Common because it's his girl and like jump in the fucking vat of chemicals because you want to live for me and, you know, all that shit. I don't know, I just, I, it wasn't, it wasn't believable for me. Yeah, yeah.

Well, that's, that's a problem too. I mean, it's not, they want to have their cake and eat it with this fucking story. It's like you want to make it so that they're like some star-crossed lover bullshit, but they don't even put the time in to make you believe that. But I just felt that it was fundamentally flawed with both of those characters. Like Harley, at the end, when Enchantress tells her that she'll see Joker again, the way that this movie could have redeemed itself would have been right there if Harley said, yep, I'm on Enchantress's side for the rest of the movie, and that's it.

Like, that's what that should have been. Right. But the fact that she turns and she says, no, you missed with my friends. That's bullshit. It's completely against her character and everything they've set her up for for the whole fucking movie. Like, that's turning her into a hero. She's not a fucking hero. Like, I don't get it.

Well, damn, man, when you explain it like that. It's tough, man. And then, like, not to keep harping on things, but, like, does anybody have a problem with Batman putting a child in the way of a bullet? Like, is everybody cool with that? Like, I'm not. Yeah, dude, come on, man. I mean, Batman was only in this movie for like, what, maybe two minutes or less? Yeah, and they managed to fuck up one and a half of those minutes. Like, what kind of fucking assholes are running DC these days? Right. Like, why? I just don't buy that Batman, I don't care if it's the guy's daughter. Like, why? Just why? I don't get it.

Like, why would he stand there and let a kid stand in the way of a bullet? Even if it's a if it's the guy who's shooting the guns kid, like, that's not Batman. Yeah, but in all fairness, wasn't that just a fantasy sequence? I mean, that didn't really happen, did it? Yeah, that was real. That was when he arrested Deadshot. Are you fucking serious, dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was real. Jesus Christ.

Yeah, and I have a question. How does, why does she know Batman is Bruce Wayne? Is everybody going to know he's Bruce Wayne now? She's Amanda Waller. That's kind of her job is. to find shit out, find out secret stuff. I guess everybody just knows everybody's secret identities in this world, so that's cool. Also, like, so Slipknot, right? Let's talk about Slipknot for a minute.

So none of these characters mean anything to me, like walking into this movie. I don't give a fuck about anybody, really. Like Harley Quinn maybe, but that's it. So Slipknot, whatever, shows up. He shows up, and I think maybe two minutes later, he's already dead. we were laughing about that dude that was the shortest screen time ever well in a in a in a better fleshed out script you would have spent a little bit of time with him so that when he dies you understand that like they're not fucking around with these people you know what i mean it's supposed to be a decent moment in the movie and instead it just plays as like i don't know like a weird punchline for boomerang like i don't i don't know yeah and boomerang was the guy who talked him into it to it in the first place, you know? Yeah, that fucking asshole.

No shit. I kind of like the characters on Arrow a little bit better than I liked him in this movie, to be honest with you. I thought they were a little bit better on the TV show Arrow. More development. Yeah.

You can't have a... Throw a character in there with no development. Yeah, that's a big problem throughout the whole movie. And, like, you know, maybe I was a little bit quick to judge with Joker just because like he's not in the movie much. So it's tough

to see. one way or another how I feel about him, but at the same time that part is supposed to be a magnetic sort of like bombastic part and for a guy that was sending his co-stars used condoms in fucking Playboy magazines and dildos

and shit. I think that he kind of wasted his time based on what's on the screen because I don't think he did anything unique. Okay, you know what? I'm gonna disagree with you guys. I really enjoyed his performance guys.

I really thought he was good. Yeah, he wasn't in there very long. But let me put it to you this way. I'm definitely intrigued enough to see what he's going to do in the next Batman movie. I'm like half intrigued. Like, I don't really care. That's what bothers me. Like, he didn't give me anything to care about.

Yeah, he was supposed to be that character where when you saw him, you wanted more, you know? And I didn't get that from him. Like, when I saw him, I was like, oh, that's it. Yeah, I did want more. guys. I really enjoyed Leto in this role. I really did. I mean, every one of you guys is calling me an idiot right now and saying I'm

bullshit, but I really thought he was damn good. I thought he brought something different. Yeah, I'm kind of with Lance that I enjoyed watching him, but I mean, he obviously didn't have anything to work with as far as story or script. Yeah, and I'd give him another

opportunity. I want to give him another opportunity. I want to see more. Oh, sorry. But it's what he did in this movie, I wasn't super impressed with. I have a quick question for everybody. Going through Facebook here, did you guys find Killer Croc racist, his character? So, you know? Just because he wanted BET?

Come on, Brian. Racist, it definitely had a, like, a Louisiana-style thing going, you know. But, uh... Yeah, I guess a little bit racist. Well, yeah, they were all in Louisiana, right? In that maximum security prison? Is that where they were? I don't know.

He just sounded like Houston Louisiana. Yeah. At the beginning of the movie, they made it clear that they were all in Louisiana. That's where the maximum security prison was. Yeah, well, you know, they did have to hit all their, you know, important PC points. Like, you know, a strong African-American lead, a strong female lead. and then they had to go and have an Asian woman named Katana who is a ninja or something. Gotcha.

Okay, I'm with you. So in other words, it's kind of like what some people think Star Wars is doing with the new Rogue One, huh? Four on ten. Garrett Collins. You read my mind. That fucking cock sucker. All right, so question for you guys. So the movie takes place in Midway City.

Would you guys have liked it better if it was, say, Gotham? No. No, with David A. I would have preferred L.A., to be honest with you. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's his, that's his, that's his forte. That's what he's used to. He's a West Coast guy all the way,

and I think if they'd made it more obviously West Coast and more obviously L.A., like especially East L.A., that probably would have fit in more with the director-writer style. is. I think if it was Gotham, then you really have the question of why is Batman not involved?

Exactly. Yeah, Gotham is supposed to be Chicago, right, guys? Yeah, kind of. See, I had a thought about it that, in thinking about how, you know, if I was making the movie, how I would fix it. Right.

I think the smart thing to do to explain away a lot of the problems of like, why isn't the Flash and Wonder Woman and Batman involved in this shit would be to somehow See, I don't know that it would work this way, but let's say you take Enchantress out of it, right? And let's say that, you know,

Joker is the proper villain for the movie. Which is what I thought was going to happen. Well, so if you made it at the same time as Batman v. Superman, right? Let's say that events are transpiring around the same time. it would make sense if Joker was taking advantage of the fact that Batman was focused on fighting Superman and takes advantage of the city and then it kind of gives Amanda Waller more of a reason to put some sort of team together since like the other meta-humans aren't paying attention to this imminent threat you know what I mean

yeah that that makes sense but they made it crystal clear at the beginning of the movie when they showed the casket and everything that it was definitely after Batman be Superman totally I mean I would be to see that funeral one more time. Oh yeah. But totally understand that, but it would require a rewrite for sure. But if I was going about this and I wanted a credible way to

not include the fucking gods that are now in this universe, I think that's probably how I would attack it. I don't know. It's such a... This movie's a huge missed opportunity to me. Yeah, so you think there might have been a good movie in here somewhere if they'd done it completely differently.

huh? I think the pieces are there you just you know I mean everybody loves a good anti-hero look at the Punisher on the current Daredevil Netflix series

right? Sure that was done well look at Snake Pliskin everybody loves Snake Pliskin but you know you bring up Punisher but look at the first episode where Punisher and Daredevil interact and it's an entire episode of the two of them sitting on a rooftop

talking about their ideology and what makes them who they are. And that's... With Daredevil chained. And then the best fucking fight scene I've ever seen in my life, dude, when he goes down that stairwell with a chain, fighting all those thugs, that was fucking phenomenal. But, you know, it's just the difference between the two movie studios right now. Marvel wants to get to the core of what makes these characters who they are.

You know, so when they change things, they're changing them in a way that makes sense to bring the character into a new environment or new age, right? DC is just stuck spinning wheels and not getting to the core of what makes these characters important, in my opinion. Like, they're just not, they're missing the point. They're bringing all the flash and they're paying attention to, like, the environment around the characters and building up who they are and making it an event when the movie comes out.

It's just, like, I don't, I don't know, it's just they're not bringing, I don't feel that I'm watching Joker on film in this movie. I think that I'm watching a guy who's imitating the Joker you know because he's not he's just not he's not getting to the core of the Joker that I know from death

in the family and death of the family the current run that Leto based him on he doesn't seem like the same character to me at all like I don't know it's not connecting for me see they probably should have had another few movies that involved all these characters

without shoving them all into one. You can't have the Avengers without having Iron Man and the Hulk and all that shit first. For sure. That's the problem, man. They just hate. Here's Batman versus Superman, which is our introduction to the Justice League,

which are a bunch of characters that you have never seen in a movie before. Or, you know, if they were, they were fucking 40 years ago. They're just cramming too much shit into one movie, man. And they're guilty of it in this one too. Yeah, I mean, you know, the most recent comparison is Civil War. I mean, Civil War is the 13th Marvel movie, I think, 12th or 13th, and the entire plot of that movie is predicated upon the 12 movies that preceded it. And it understands that the audience knows who these people are.

It introduces who it has to. It eliminates the need to make an origin story for Spider-Man. You know what I mean? like it does a lot of smart things but it has the confidence in knowing and living in the world that it established like you have had plenty of time to get to know these people so at the climax of that film

when what goes down goes down you understand it far better than you would if you know you're just meeting uh scarlet witch and vision and winter soldier and black widow and you know go down the list in this one movie It doesn't

It's just fucking weird It's just a weird way to go about Like if you saw Civil War Without having seen any other Marvel movie Before you'd probably be fucking lost And exactly where we are Which is what D.C.'s doing on this bullshit right now. Absolutely, yeah.

Brian, what do you think about all this, man? I'm kind of wishing I'd change my... I can change my rating. Let me ask you this. What do you think about the ending, Brian? The big showdown with the enchantress and the brother and everything. I didn't get it.

El Diablo is more powerful than this ancient being, I guess. I don't know. I thought that was a cool character, man. The El Diablo thing. Yeah, I really liked his character. He was another one that didn't really have any fucking development behind him. But I thought that was a cool scene. again i had no idea that was jernandez yeah and there was a lot of buildup i guess for

for scott eastwood in this movie and oh yeah what the fuck he was a who the fuck was scott eastwood i never even saw him in this movie guys he was uh uh rick flags little a right-hand soldier that he was always talking to apparently he died right he got yeah he's the one who uh set the bomb off yeah that's uh scott eastwood Shit. Okay. See, I, in the speculation on the movie, especially the last week, I thought that maybe DC did something slick and they hid him in the movie and he was like, I don't know why, but I thought he was either going to be Nightwing or Hal Jordan. Based on some of the early spoiler shit that I was reading. Yes, I heard a lot about that.

Yeah. And then, apparently not. It's just like nothing. So, all right. Okay. So you can sum it up as what you've been saying all night, Jack. Missed Opportunity. The whole, yeah, man, the whole thing.

I mean, I just, and they're so dedicated to, like, building in all this backstory. Right. Like, the Harley Quinn introduction scene, the second introduction scene, I should say, when they're doing the title cards for everybody. It flashes on the screen really quick on her freeze frame, but it says, I think, implicated, or accomplice in the death of Robin or something. So they're jamming it down our throats

that they're definitely doing the death of probably oh, fuck, Jason Todd, which is fine, whatever. Yeah, the second Robin, right? Yeah, but it's just like, I don't understand why they are so dedicated to, like, building in all of this ridiculous backstory before, they're just putting the car before the horse, man.

Like, think about this. Yeah, like, they should have come out with about six other movies before they did this shit. Well, it's just like, so in Batman v. Superman, right? And I know I keep talking about that movie in relation to this one, but it's just because the problems are so similar. Like, the, so they made it so that Gotham and Metropolis are across the bay from one another, right? Right. Okay, so that creates a gigantic problem from a storytelling perspective. for the future because

well we all saw the end of that movie and the soil is rising off the grave so obviously Superman's not going to stay dead especially with a fucking Justice League movie coming kind of like Spock huh yeah worse than that though so if you have a world where Superman exists like two miles from where Batman exists

then every single villain that Batman deals with if it's moving forward from Batman v. Superman and Suicide Squad you're always going to have a problem explaining why Superman doesn't just show up and take care of business with them from this point forward, right? So then that means that most Batman movies,

I would think, but I thought this about Suicide Squad too and I was totally wrong, I thought that Suicide Squad would be a prequel and I figure that like solo Batman movies now have to be stories before Batman v. Superman if Superman exists. You know, in the Avengers movies, right? they take Thor and Hulk

and they just throw them away for like large chunks of the movie because you can't do anything with them when you're dealing with other humans right? Yeah. The question becomes like why don't the two fucking God characters just wreck everybody, right?

So now like DC has just in my opinion written himself into a corner for the foreseeable future and I just don't agree with it and I don't get it like it's just bad planning. Yeah, yeah really really really piss poor, man. Absolute piss poor planning.

I mean, I don't know what D.C.'s thinking. This is, I even want to lower my score now after listening to you, Jack. You've really convinced me, dude. It's not. Valid points. Yeah, like, it's not,

oh, God. I just, and then, like, it's hard, it's almost hard to verbalize, isn't it? So check this out, right? You want to talk more bullshit about this movie? So, okay. So they're going to, going on some unknown mission, right?

Which at first you think that they're going to take down enchantress, but then like you find out that they don't even know about that, I guess, and that they're just going to a building to get somebody out of it. Okay, so think about how stupid this is. Amanda Waller is in this building, right? And she has staff with her. Now, I'm not even going to get into why she's in that building in the middle of the city. Because it's not even worth asking that question,

because that just is completely fucking stupid. but why did she kill all of her staffers if she knew that at one point the suicide squad's gonna have to get around that was a weird fucking scene what the hell just happened what the fuck

like how she said they're not supposed to know this level of intelligence or whatever so then what the fuck are they doing on the suicide squad mission dude like what are they doing there it's so stupid it's the dumb it like terrible dude terrible

I said that Batman v Superman was the dumbest movie I'd seen this year. Yeah. I think that this one matches it. If not trumps it, huh? Ugh, it's rough, man. It's really rough. Well, Dan, I want to hear some last-minute thoughts from you on this, man.

It's hard to defend, which is unfortunate, because I did really enjoy it sitting through it. That's what I was thinking. I was like, man, I still stick by my score because it was really good. It was fun to watch, but the more we take it. talk about it, the more I'm like, yeah, you're kind of right. Yeah. There's definitely loads of plot holes, and I think they're more damaging to the DC universe

as a whole than they are to the actual Suicide Squad movie. But there are some pretty significant things. Like, Katana shows up for no reason. And where the fucking she come from? And why is she there? Because she's not part of the Suicide Squad, because she doesn't. she's like not being forced to be there so like no explanation on that end who side is she on because she's got rick she's supposed to be has rick flags back

yeah exactly so but then she goes drinking with them that's what i was saying i i really hope that aflatt gets his movie out before too long because and i said that as soon as i was walking out of the theater because like man i don't know dude these dc movies are kind of running themselves into the ground. I think that the potential of the Batman movie is still pretty high. I think so, you know, I think that Affleck is a guy that, you know, whenever you read about interviews with him talking about Daredevil and his experience making that movie, you know, it seems like the guy got into it because he thought that he would

never get a crack at Batman, ironic now in hindsight, but, you know, that seemed to be his prevailing thought at the time was hey you know what I'm never going to be Batman this is the closest thing I'm going to get you know the Frank Miller stories or what got me into this so I'm going to take it and run with it and that you know didn't do well and then he had

some bad years there I've always liked that Fleck I mean when he was announced as Batman I was it took a little while for me to get on board with it but the more I thought about it the more I was cool with it because he had just won Ferrargo

the town is a great movie Gone Baby Gone's a great movie Oh yeah the town is awesome Man I was just gonna ask you what you thought about all those movies Because I thought they were all great I actually look at Ben Affleck as a modern Clint Eastwood He has a very similar career trajectory Oh he does And with Warner Brothers

I mean at this point Eastwood just says he wants to make a movie They give him a $90 million budget He makes it in every like fifth movie You get an American sniper That outperforms everything from the rest of the year Right. He's just a career guy. And I think that Affleck is sort of patterning his career around a similar notion.

So I think that having him be director, producer, writer, and have some of the creative control over what's going on is a great thing. The problem that I'm seeing with this movie in Batman v. Superman, though, is that both of them, it's very clear that they have been edited to shit. and there are multiple instances in this movie where you see it. I mean, there's that one scene where they get to the building where Amanda Waller's at the top floor. And if you notice, everybody's at the bottom floor and then, like, Harley Quinn runs to an elevator. You actually don't see her get on the elevator. It's just an awkward cut to the elevator rising with her on it, but whatever. So she fights like three fucking assholes with pimple faces.

And then she gets to the top of the elevator and everybody's already on that floor. last I checked elevators move faster than stairs do I don't know maybe that's just me it's really awkward little thing and then like did you guys were you guys okay with the music in the movie it seemed like it was super on the nose in every scene

like way too much no I can't have enjoyed the music to be honest with you yeah it was good music choices and had all the subtlety of a sledgehammer I was just like Amanda Waller shows up and it's sympathy for the devil. Ooh, edgy guys.

Yeah, and also, like, in the first 15 minutes, they probably blared through about 12 different songs. Yeah, Harley Quinn, you don't own me. They had a lot of songs in there for sure. Yeah. But I kind of enjoyed it. I kind of appreciated what they did with the songs in there. It's a rough, this movie was a rough experience for me. It was a rough ride, huh?

Yeah. I mean, it's weird because I am looking forward to seeing it one more time just to make sure that I saw what I saw kind of thing, you know? I'm sure you did, man. Where do you think they're going with the Batman movie? Because they said there was going to be multiple villains in that one. I think that the smartest thing that they can do to try and salvage the future, you have to have Joker involved. And I think it makes sense to tell the Jason Todd story. all honesty.

Well, that sounds like what it's going to be. Yeah. I mean, I heard things about, you know, death stroke being a possibility. But, you know, especially after this movie came out and there's like, you know, four or five minutes of, of the fucking Joker. I think if you have a Batman movie where Joker is then again sidelined, you're going to have even bigger problems. Yeah.

So, you know, that's the thing, though. See, that's the difference between Marvel and DC. Marvel is doing what they want to do, and they're planning things out three to four years in advance. DC is just reacting to everything that's happening to them. Like, you know, people complained about the end of Man of Steel and all the collateral damage. So Batman v. Superman has at least five fucking lines

that tell you that they're fighting in an abandoned block of the city, right? I don't know. It's just, it's all reactionary, and it doesn't, I don't think that it breeds quality personally. Do you all think there's any chance that they would shake hands and bring Deadpool into the DC universe? That would probably be the smartest choice they can make of for the... He's going to hang out with Deathstroke. Only in my wet dreams.

All right, fair enough. All right, so unless anybody else has anything to say about it, I think that's probably the wrap-up on the spoiler episode. Dan, do you have any last thoughts? No, I think that's a good place to end it. Brian? Will Smith was better than I thought he was going to be. Yep. I would agree with you there, man.

I'm going to still stick by my same score and say that if you look too far into any movie, you're going to find some plot holes. But, yeah, I mean, I can't argue with anything that we've said here. and I still think it was a fun time to watch it but I wish it was better All right, well cool So Dan, Jack

Thanks a lot for coming on the show with us guys Thanks for having Yeah, we really enjoyed it Hopefully we can have you guys back soon Cool, cool And so I guess until the horror returns again Good Night

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