The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #102: I Spit On Your Grave (2010) & Revenge (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: March 24, 2023

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Hi, this is Don Mancini. You're listening to The Horror Returns. Greetings, victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware of this podcast contains. major plot spoilers and the foulest of language join us in celebrating the old

and the new the best and the worst in horror welcome back everybody to the horror returns this is episode number 102 I don't know how the fuck we got here but we're here what? Yeah yeah we're actually episode 102 we haven't missed a single week

and we brought you guys a bunch of extra shows. We're still going to bring that bonus show for Texas Frightmare. I'm not quite sure when, hopefully this week, but we'll see what happens. You guys, apologies in advance. Anyone who's with us listening, you might be hearing some background noise. That's because I'm at a graduation party for my daughter who graduated college. And apparently everybody else is at various and sundry parties that's on the recording as well. Philip, what's up with you, man?

Oh, not a mucho, man. My parents came down to visit, and they brought their two dogs as well. So we have five dogs in the house now. It's a party. It's a dog party. Who let the dogs out? I did. Brian, what's up with you, man?

Nothing. Just waiting to get this show going, trying to, every now and then sneak a glimpse at the fight going on. Yeah? This is a WWE fight or what? UFC Who's fighting? I should know that. Amanda Nunes and

Raquel Pennington Women's Championship fight. Are they hot? Are they a couple of hot chicks fight each other or what? For my taste, I would say I probably say one is. One of them's hot and the other one's like a

butchie looking chick. Yeah. Yeah, there's not very many hot UFC fighters. Right. The ones that are hot are not that good. Not too many Ronda Rousey's out there, huh? No.

All right. Well, we got a couple of guests with us tonight. They haven't seen the movie, so I don't know how long they're going to, or how much they're going to have to say, but we'll have a lot to say early. Pat was here, was it last week, Pat? Yep. And you're back. I'm back.

You're like herpes. Yeah. All right. Can never get rid of that shit. So what do you have to, cock-suck. Not a whole lot. Just hanging out back in my hometown, come back to visit my mom for Mother's Day and see some old friends. Nice. Just kind of chilling out. That's about it.

You remember a guy named Peter Sayer? Absolutely. 20 years ago or something like that? Or what? Longer than that. All right. Well, what's up, Pete? You're with us tonight. Hey, man. Good to be here. It's been way too long. man. What have you been up to, man?

I don't know. Just, you know, working, living, you know. Living the dream? Living the dream, yeah. Like awesome. Every fucking day, man. Living the nightmare, you mean. All right, cool. So we got a couple of movies tonight. You guys haven't seen, but that's cool.

Actually, Pat, you said you saw it, I spit on your grave a while ago, right? Yeah, I've seen the original and the remake. All right. It's been a while. I don't remember the remake as much as I do the original. Well, that'll be interesting because I've never seen the original. I've seen both, but I saw the new one more recently. So that's the one we're reviewing, so we'll play it by year. But, Pat, we've got your top 10, dude.

Do you have them memorized or do you want me to read them out? Yeah, you might have to pick them out because I don't have them memorized on top of my ear. Yeah, you know, these things can change literally every day anyway. Right. At least mine do. All right, cool. You guys want to start out with the, cool of the week?

Well, I haven't got to watch a whole lot, but I'd say my cool of the week is actually a rewatch. In fact, I had talked to you about this earlier in the week, but I started rewatching Deadwood. Oh, yeah. It stuck me right in almost immediately. It's just been a while since I've watched it.

I love this. It's a freaking awesome show. And, you know, my cousin and I love this show so much when it came out that we've actually went to Deadwood, the actual town, and checked it out. So, yeah, it's, I freaking love it.

So I've watched, I'm about, I'm about eight episodes into the first season already. And I was just like, man, it was like watching it for the first time again. Where is, where is that? Is it Wyoming or where is Deadwood? I know, it's in South Carolina. South Carolina.

South Carolina. South Dakota. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's about a six. It's about a six to eight-hour drive from where I live.

Yeah. But, yeah, we went there a few years ago and got to see, like, the grave of Wild Bill Hickok and some other stuff that's gone there. Because what's really cool about the show is it's fictional, but it's based on actual historical pictures. Right. So some of the stuff that takes place in the show actually happened in history. So it's kind of, that's part of what the mystique is about it. Yeah, but do they take, like, a little political or. little creative license, I guess, with

the... Yeah, exactly. The cast is just unbelievable. Yeah. Right? It's just amazing. Looks unbelievable, dude.

We're looking at it right now in IMDB. I didn't know Timothy Aweffat was in there. He's the main dude. He's one of the main characters. Right. Is it still on, it's on HBO, right? Yeah, it's on HBO, but you have to have like on demand or something to watch it.

Like, if you have HBO, you can probably watch it with their on-demand, but it only went three seasons. Okay. The third season's a little bit open-ended because they were, you know, it got canceled before they finished it. So I told Lance, if he starts to watch it just to watch the first two seasons because they're kind of self-contained a bit. Right.

So weren't they talking about coming back to do a movie to wrap it up? I think they're still in the works of that. It's probably about getting everybody's schedule open and then get, the budget to do it. And I think Lance sent me an article something about with the new California tax laws. It might actually happen here in the near future. So I'm hoping that's the case. Because they didn't wrap it up at the end. They kind of left it open ended. Right. Because it got canceled before they

were they got back in the powers booth. Titus Weller. What the fuck? Hell, only three seasons, man. I can make that happen. I know we had a whole conversation about it. Yeah. Beaver, he's on Supernova. Have you seen it, Phil? No, I haven't, but Patrick, we had a whole conversation about it at Fright Mirror, man. I need to start watching it. Yeah, and like, you know, Brad Doris in it, you've got the lead, the gal that's

the lead from Fear of the Walking Dead. She's in it. Right. So, I mean, it's, it's loaded with a fantastic cast. Kim Dickens. Oh, shit. My brother, Darrell. Who's not in this year? My brother of the Daryl.

All right. Well, that's a hell of a strong one, Pat. Dude, you've talked me into it, man. Even though it ends open-ended, I'm going to have faith that they do a wrap-up movie, and I'm going to jump in. It's worth it for the performances alone. McShane is just unbelievable in it. Oh, man, badass.

I can't wait. All right, brother. Pete? I guess, well, I mean, I watched this one supernatural. I don't know if y'all watch that, but I've been watching. Yeah, I've been watching it. It's like in the 13th season, and it's about to come to an end. It's got one more episode.

I didn't know it was still going. Yeah, yeah. They were supposed to have a spinoff show called The Wayward Sisters, but CW didn't pick it up for some reason. I guess they just didn't want to go with it. But yeah, I've been watching it since 2005. That's when it came on. Right.

Yeah. And this is, they've signed on. There's another season next year. It's going to be 14. It's like the longest running show, I think, on CW right now. Makes sense. So there is going to be one more season then? At least one. I mean, there could be more. Like I said, you know, you think when they've exhausted like all stories, they come up with other stuff, you know.

It's really good. I mean, it's, you know, they hunt like monsters and stuff. But it's a good show. I like it a lot. I know one of the guys on it used to be on Smallville, but he was only on like the first two or three seasons or something. Yeah, he was, I forget what he, he was the coach, one of the football coach. Okay. Yeah. All right. Brian, what did you check out, man? I had to go a little bit different this week because I had checked out all the sequels to one of the movies we were watching.

Right. And I needed to watch something a little bit lighter. Oh, okay. After all, I spit it on your grave, huh? Yeah, so I checked out Barry, a new HBO series with Bill Hader. Right. plays an assassin who basically follows one of his targets into an acting class and kind of wants to change his career. But he is like the worst actor ever. And on this, he's trying to balance still being a hitman.

And it's a pretty decent show. There's some funny characters in it. Funny characters, I don't think that you would expect to be funny. like they got a guy that's like the the head of the Mexican cartel who is probably the world's nicest guy. Yeah.

Explain that one dude. He's on a phone. He's, okay, he's, somebody's trying to go to war with him. They're on a phone conversation. And the way he's talking to him,

the other guy gets off the phone and it's just like, this is just super fucked up. This guy is really nice. I don't know how, I don't know how to deal with this. And he's just very polite. Kill him with him with him. You know,

if you want to kill all my men, we probably would have just got together and hung out. I recommend it. It's pretty decent. I think it's on episodes. Oh, yeah. He's one of those people for me where I can't decide whether, like, I love him or I fucking hate him.

Yeah, yeah. There's something about his face that makes me want to, like, slap him and then laugh at him. You know what super bad and then train wrecked that one. True. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought he was pretty good in that.

Yeah. I'll watch it. Yeah, I think it's on episode seven right now. And if anybody has like the HBO app or on demand or something, they're all on there. So. So Barry. Yes. All right, Philip, anything horror-related?

Oh, man. My quote of the week is that it's finally the fucking weekend. I literally have watched nothing. I've done Jack's work a whole week. Freed or anything like that. Oh, man. I literally watched it. My wife has started the second season of Handmaid's Tale.

Oh, great show. Yeah, she's really loving that. But I've only seen bits and pieces of it. I need to start it from the beginning. Yeah, yeah, you do. You do. You definitely, that's one you've got to watch from the first episode and you'll be completely fucking lost.

Ah, yeah. Because I'm like, who is this now? Yeah, it's a Margaret Atwood. Yeah, there you go. They made a movie back in the 80s. Yeah, I remember the movie. Yeah, so-so. But the TV show is awesome.

And it really expands on the book. Is it like it said in the future, right? The not quote-unquote, not, I'm doing the air quotes, not too distant future. Yeah, it's a good show, Phil. You're checking it out or what? Yeah, man, I'll start watching it. I've, like I said, I've seen episodes here and there. I scattered some throughout the first season.

and I've seen now like one episode in the second season, so I kind of have to watch it. Cool. It looks cool, kind of slightly dystopian. Right. So, brought up my alley. All right, well, my cool of the week is not horror either. Do we have zero horror cool of the weeks this week?

It's not a lot of horror out right now. Yeah, it's... Star Trek, Deep Space Nine. I'm re-watching. the entire series. Yeah, Oldie but a goodie. And I'm probably about halfway

through the first season, and I remember why this is my favorite fucking Star Trek series of all. How many seasons are they? They had seven seasons, just like the original series, and just like Voyager. But the cool thing about

what makes Deep Space Nine different is that they are on the fringes of the galaxy, the known galaxy. And on top of that, there's a wormhole where they are, so they have people coming in

from a completely different galaxy. So it's kind of like the Wow, Wild West, way more. In other words, they follow the commandment, so to speak, that Starfleet sets down, but they kind of don't follow them. Right. Because they can't completely follow everything that's set down for them. They can't tell what's going to come through the wormhole. There's no telling what's going to happen.

So, yeah, it's really cool. They're meeting a lot of species and coming into contact with a lot of, and there was a war going on when they took over the space station. So it's not really Starfleet running it. They're having to run it through the Bajorans. So it's a bit complicated, but if you watch it, I think you'll enjoy it. That's what I was going to say. That one's a space station and not a ship, right?

Yeah, that's exactly right, man. And they do their best, man, to follow the prime directive. But there's some cases in which Commander Sisko who runs the space station simply can't and still take care of business. So, yeah, Star Trek Deep Space 9, Cool of the Week. So we got a lot to cover. Brian, we got any news, man?

Okay, let's see. Netflix renews Santa Clarita Diet for the third season. Yes. Awesome. Great show. Let's see. Hulu orders a new series

based on a sleepover game. Light as a feather, stiff as a board. Okay. Seriously? You guys enjoy. Fuck that shit. 10 episode series order for that one. I love the craft where they talked about it, but fuck, do they need to make a series about the game?

You know, I kind of picture it is we're going to see the game probably in the first episode or the first two episodes, and then something will happen from the game. Yeah, so let's see. Hulu is also teaming up with Blumhouse. they are going to do a year of holiday-themed horror features starting in October. So every month there will be a new horror-themed holiday movie. Well, hopefully they're good. All right. Lance, I've seen this one, got you excited.

Fiona Dura joined the cast of the Purge. Whoa, look out. I may have to watch it now. What do you? Yeah. You guys said I'm not allowed to, huh? You're not. I'm forbidden.

You shit all over it, so no, you're not. It's a catch-22 right there. Oh, shit. Oh, Fiona. What am I going to do without you? Based on the films? What? Ask him.

Brian's our news, man. It's based on the movies, the trilogy? Yeah. What they're describing is, I think I've talked about it last week. They said it's going to be 70% purge and 30% flashbacks. So you're going to each, you're going to get like, little background stories on why somebody wants to kill someone.

Right. And that's pretty much. In the last film, they abolished the purged in the Anarchy. I fell asleep halfway through the last movie. It's said that Fiona is going to be a recurring character

and the series is currently filming right now and I think we're going to get the series debut this fall. That must be the one she was talking about. Could be. Oh, yeah, yeah. When they said she was

She was hired for a TV series, but they wouldn't say what it was when we went to the Chucky panel. That's cool. This just broke like probably a couple days after Texas Frightman. Okay. Yeah, she said she was going to star in a TV series,

but she couldn't tell us what it was. I thought it was going to be a Chucky series. I was hoping, man. Yeah, a little bit of news. Yeah, a little bit of news on that. I guess in an interview, Brad Durrow, all but confirmed that it's a go for sure, the Childs Play series.

Yeah, we were in that interview, dude. We were at the Chucky panel and they confirmed. I saw that picture with you. Yeah, the TV show's green lit. We'll play that going to be on. We'll play that next week. We don't know what network it's going to be on, right, Brian? No, not yet.

And I believe they're allowed to use the actual Child's Play title. You know what? I'll bet you it will be Netflix because cult of Chucky was that Netflix exclusive, remember? Oh yeah, yeah. Oh man, we can only hope, right? Yeah.

Great. Brian, you're not too excited. You brought up cult of Chucky. Well, it's gonna springboard off that movie, so if you didn't like that movie, you're probably fucked. I think

the child's play as a series will work. There's just some things in that movie that I just, it didn't work for me. Let's see. Bill and Ted's sequel, Bill and Ted Faced a music has officially been greenlit and I am excited for this.

I am. Why the fuck not? You're going to get some iron maiden? That'd be awesome. That'd be awesome. Which I hope they had toned down the script. because I've read a story previously that

everything that they had written in the script, this movie would have been like a $250 million budget. So. What do you think was all the CG stuff nowadays? They could do all that, you know? Yeah, you would think. It wouldn't cost that much. And finally, we got some more news

on your boy Lance Quentin Tarantino's movie once upon a time. Some more casting. I thought you were going to say the new Star Trek, Quentin Tarantino movie. That's probably not happening. He is once upon a time in Hollywood has casted Burke Reynolds, Tim Roth,

Michael Madsen, and Kurt Russell. Sign me the fuck up, man. What's this one about? It's going to happen during the Marilyn Manson, Sharon Tate murder. Maryland Manson. I mean, I'm sorry. Charles.

Charles. Charles. I know. The other manson. The other race. It's about the beautiful people. Yes. They're both.

They're both. And take the video and take enough. Uh, plus Timothy Oliphant is also in talks to star in this movie, too. Oh, man. Yeah. Last little bit, Margot Robbie is confirmed to play Sharon Tate. Oh, yeah. Dude, that's a killer cast.

Yeah, it is. It is. Would you expect any less? Are we going to see all of Margot Robbie or just some of her? I don't know. I mean, fingers crossed. I think the last thing is, it is a good cast. And if anybody doesn't remember, Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt are also in this movie.

What? Jesus Christ. Yeah. We buy my tickets now. What about Samuel L. Jackson? Oh, you don't know. He probably will. He probably will.

This movie is. this movie's not due until next year, so I'm sure more Tarantino familiars will show up. He'll just make a cameo. Somebody bumps into him and he's got a cup of coffee or something in his hand.

God, damn it, you motherfuckers! There it is, right? Months upon a time in Hollywood. And I believe, yep, that is all our news. Well, that's a lot. Okay.

All right, Pat, will you tell Pete where we're headed to now? We're going to head down to a little place called the trailer park. The trailer park? That's where all the myth is. We're going to bring you the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? The first one we're going to talk about is the trailer for, basically, it's a little trailer put together for the pilot for the tremor series. Okay.

That sci-fi did not pick up for this is starring Kevin Bacon and directed by Vincizo Natali. And the name was familiar, so I looked him up. He's directed, he directed the original tremors, the movie Cube, and he's directed episodes for Westworld, American Gods, and the Strain. Wow. Damn, you guys got some credibility. Quite a resume there. So what did you guys think about the pilot episode or the trailer for the pilot episode? Man, when you told me sci-fi passed on it, I didn't have a whole lot of hope for this show.

But it doesn't look bad. I don't know why. I mean, the only thing I can think of is that it would cost too much money. That's what I was thinking. Well, I think this thing has Netflix written all over it. Oh, that'd be good on Netflix. Yeah. I mean, they throw money at just about anything.

So, I mean, I would love to see this on Netflix. I think it would be great because then I think they could expand it a little bit. But I thought the trailer looked really good for what it is. I love the movie. I mean, I can't believe that they had passed on this. I mean, this looks like it would have been great. I mean, the movie was classic. I mean, awesome.

I think this will show. I think this will show up on Amazon Front. You think so? that was Amazon 52. With the news of the money they're throwing at the Lord of the Rings, TV series, a billion dollars?

Geez. What a five-year commitment? They got money to throw around. Yeah, that's true. And they just jacked up the price of Amazon Prime, so. Is that a coincidence? Mechies, like I still won't pay it.

No. So hopefully this gets picked up somewhere. Do what, Pat? I said it's totally worth it if you shop online a lot, which I've learned to do. Oh, yeah, no. What I meant to say is I'm still going to buy it anyway. I don't really care how much it costs at this point. It's totally worth it.

All right, like I said, hopefully it gets picked up somewhere. So on to our last trailer of the week. We're going to review The Predator, starring a little. Olivia Munn, Jacob Tremblay, Sterling K. Brown, Thomas Jane, Boyd Holbrook, Jake Busey, and Edward James Almost. Okay. I was watching the, uh, I was watching this trailer. And, uh, what did I say, Pete? Are you sure we're watching the right trailer?

What the fuck is this fucking childish bullshit? Yeah, it looked like crap. Like a kids movie? Yeah, pretty much. I'm out. I'm out. You guys enjoy. I can't watch this piece of shit. This looks horrible. horrible. That's

disappointing because I hadn't seen a trailer but the cast sounded good. Yeah, the cast sounded good.

Shane Black directing sounded great. This looks like a fucking turd, man. You know, I was watching

the trailer and I was thinking, uh, maybe it's going to be better than it looks. You know? I'm going to withhold, I'm going to withhold

judgment until I see another trailer because this is probably the worst trailer put out this year. Yeah. Well, if they weren't to put money, I guess they could just slap Star Wars on it. Yeah.

It'll be a nine on TV on everybody. Right. But I mean, sometimes the great cast can't save a movie. I don't know if it's got a great cast. Well, I mean, well, there's people that have been, yeah, there's people that have been in big time stuff. Yeah, I'm looking at some more cast. I'm Keegan, Michael Key, Key,

Alfi Allen, who people know him as Theon Greyjoy. Oh. Yeah. Oh. Hmm. I mean, I'm sure we'll watch it. I will. Right.

I hope that... I hope that it's better than this trailer makes it out to be, because, yeah, it doesn't look awesome. I'm hoping so. Yeah. Yeah. Not impressed, guys. It definitely doesn't do the original justice, that's for sure. Right.

Yeah, I think it's fair to say we're all not blown away by this trailer. Sometimes, you know, you should just leave well enough alone and not touch the original. And what happens is they just run out of ideas. And they start copying stuff. And it's just like sometimes you just leave it alone, you know. True. Wow. Yeah, they'll never leave anything alone.

You're about halfway. So bad. You're about halfway through the trailer when the predator first pops up. And then you're like, oh, it's your predator movie. And it looks like one of the, like Jason in Space or some shit. You know what I mean? Jason X or whatever you fuck. that's the vibe it gives off

I'm like wow that was a fun movie oh it's fun but not what I expect from Predator I just want to know why this little kid gets a package with a whole bunch of predator tech and he's just playing with it

I don't want to know you guys enjoy the movie I'm curious I still want to see the Batman versus Predator movie that's what I give me that an Affleck

yeah no I'd rather have a different Batman give me Christian Bail or somebody but Batman yeah

okay if I'd kill that Affleck right on a side on a side note have you guys heard about

have you guys heard about this rumor the guy from Dexter is up for the role of Batman now that would be

the worst casting ever yeah that would not be good yeah I had just I just seen that earlier today about them

I don't know if it's Dexter Yeah Another Batman Was it Michael Michael Ski Hall He's terrible He would be terrible as Batman

Are you kidding me? This guy looks so milk toast And plain and ordinary I mean he was perfect as Dexter Because he looked that way Yeah the serial killer But holy shit guys I'm hoping for Carl Urban

I don't know I'd rather see him come back I like I like Dr. McCuller to see him as Batman. Just go back and watch Go back and watch dread. Yeah, he talks

on another dread movie. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, it was better in the Stallone movies. Yep. Oh, shit. Way better. Way better.

Oh, shit. All right, the predator. Nobody's interested. September 14th. Move on. and that was our last trailer all right philip save us the listeners

our loyal listeners who give us feedback every week and let us have a whole section of our show we do have some listener feedback this week regarding brian's subject of the crypt tv youtube channel uh mike elric says

love crypt tv shorts some real good ones so hopefully that'll be good uh Regarding freeform's upcoming cloak and dagger. Marcus Will Turner says, Guess this is a time for Marvel duos to shine. Cloak and dagger, then Ant Man and the Wasp.

Hopefully we'll still get heroes for hire one day. Adam Bunch says, but without Iron Fist. Denny Louis says, what the hell is freeform? What is free form? That's spike, and it changed to freeform? Spike's Paramount now Spike's Paramount. What is free form? Is that sci-fi?

ABC family. Yeah. ABC family, right. They changed their name when they had all of their tidy white people sleeping with their kids and shit, or whatever the hell it was. You know what I'm talking about? No?

No. Oh. The family that had all the kids. Oh, that was that show the fosters. The fosters.

They had like 20 kids or something. Yeah, but they had like the lesbian parents or whatever, the two women with their parents, right? Oh, I don't know. They've had too many to count, apparently. They had two or three little, like,

weird sex scandals there all in a row and I think they just changed their name from ABC family. Yeah, trying to distance themselves. Yeah. Let's see. Patrick Lear. Hey, buddy.

Used to be ABC Family. Well, there you go. There's our answer. I should have read forward. Regarding last week's movie, the perfect host, Darren Wilson says, I enjoyed this one, but I definitely have some friends

who don't feel the same. Samantha Bean said, please tell me this is worth watching. I love David Hyde Pierce, as I'm a massive Frazier fan. He's such a brilliant actor and classically-intellectually trained. I can only assume he wouldn't sign up to a garbage script.

I'm guessing this is one more psychological, and it's, I'm guessing this is, this one is more psychological in its delivery, yes? Amy Jermaine-Runnels says I actually really enjoyed this one. Is it psychological? I actually didn't watch it, guys. I'm sorry. Is it a movie? It's a perfect toast. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Is it out in the theater or is it online? Netflix. Netflix? Okay. Yeah, I like David I Pierce. I mean, he was great as with Niles on Frasier.

Yeah. I think you'll like, you'll like him in the movie. I can't guarantee you'll like the movies. I'm sure it's like a departure from what he did on the show. I mean, because, you know, he was all uptight and straight laced and everything. I don't even know what, what's the show about anyway. I've never heard of it.

Patrick? It's basically, it's kind of a guy that he robs a bank and then he gets sort of caught in out on a lamb and he's looking for a place to go so he ends up at this guy's house and it's David

Hyde Pierce's house and comes to find out that this guy's not normal and chaos kind of ensues from there so it's not a horrible movie it's not the best movie in the world but if you're a fan of Pierce

it's worth a watch or worth watching It's worth a lot. I mean, it's, it's not fantastic, but it's not completely horrible. Well, that's a glowing endorsement if I've ever heard one. That's what it sounds like to me. You said it's on Netflix? Yeah.

Okay, I'll have to check it out. And listen to last week's show. We actually covered that one, Sans me, because I was working. Sorry, guys. Oh, I had a baseball game that day. Sorry. Little league in it. Yeah, Little League in.

Don't chucking balls, the little kids. Patrick Lear, hey, wants to chime out on his top ten horror movie list. Here we go. What are your favorite? We've all been waiting for. Patrick, you got your list in front of me? I just want to. If you want to read it, go ahead, and I can chime in if I need to.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you got your honorable mentions are, uh, Amniville Horror, House of Wax. The original, I assume? The original. Yeah, all of them are originals. Not the one with Paris Hilton. That is the original, isn't it?

No, that's the original. It's straight in house at us. That was on my top tip. That was on my honorable benches. Yeah, yeah. Because I've seen that one with her. I just want to reiterate. I love old Vincent Price movies.

I know it's been a big thing. He's very good. Just about anything. He's in. on the same. Christine and Reanimator also honorable mention.

Okay, reanimator. All right, fuck. Nice. It's like one of the best 80s films there. There you go. Number 10, Nightmare on Elm Street.

Yes. Pretty. Number nine, Halloween. Yeah. The original. Yeah. Number eight,

Dawn of the Dead. Yes. Number seven, return of the living dead. Okay, now that's unusual, but that's a great movie. That's a movie of childhood memories right there. That's... Right. Are you talking to Lania Quigley or what?

All of that and other things, but yeah. Didn't she do like a strip tease on a corpse or on a grave or something? Yes, dancing. Dead sexy. Number six. Number six is Friday the 13th. Number five is the Exorcist. That was my number one.

Philip, your number one? My number one also, yeah. Number four is Psycho. I know that made my list too somewhere. I was a little bored with it, but cool. Number three,

Evil Dead 2. Also, it's a good one. Yeah. Number two, the thing. I heard that, I heard that's a good movie.

Yeah. Yeah. Good things, Brian, I was a look. Yeah. Hey, Pete, tell us what you think about it, man. Yeah, that's one of John Carpenter's best,

I tell you. I mean, that one, I saw it when I was, when I was younger, and I'm scared of shit out of me. Yeah. All those, great movie.

That's right. The head pops off and the spider legs are coming out. And that dog creature? Yeah. Yeah. That's so fucked up. Let's see. And number one is The Shining.

Oh, hell, you're. Wow. That's an unusual pick, man. Yeah. It's a great film, though. I know. For me, it's not a... I know it's a lot of people hate it.

But Stanley Kubrick's one of my favorite directors. He's my favorite hands down. Oh, yeah. And, yeah, he's And that movie to be, that's still one of his masterpiece movies. I mean, yeah, he's a master's, man. Yep.

Yeah. So, and I, if anybody else has done that movie, it wouldn't have been nearly the movie that it is. It wouldn't have done, it wouldn't have done the book justice. I mean, that's for sure. Right. And even, well, it really didn't do the book justice.

Yeah. But that's okay. I mean, it was still a great movie. And, you know, I know, Stephen King hated and everything, but just, to me, it's just one of those just, really well done movies.

That's why it's one of my favorites. I can watch it over and over again. It is a good one. Let's see. Regarding, I Spit on Your Grave. Hey, that's our movie today. Josh Youngblood says, I saw this one not too long ago.

Pretty brutal. I haven't seen the newer versions yet. Patrick says, remake is much tamer. Oh, wow. Ryan Stevens says the remake is more tame but also pretty good. Wow. Huh.

I did not know that. I know. How is the remake as Tamer? Holy crap. I got to watch the original. I don't know if I can handle the original. Well, I got to agree in a way. But we'll talk about that later.

You saw it? Yeah, I've seen both of them. We also got a pod bean comment. Hey, check that out. From Jolo Ho-ho. I thought I was going to fuck that. He said he'll be he once. He says he, she, I don't know what Jolo Ho-Ho's sex is.

I thought I was the... We'll send you a T-shirt or a coozy. Ho-ho. Yeah. Send us a fucking... Jesus Christ. We're so politically correct here at the Hora returns. Jolo Ho-ho.

Send us a fucking... Tell us what you are. Tell us who you are in an address. And we'll use any name. Say John Smith. Right. And just give us your address. We'll send you a coozy or a t-shirt.

Right. Love the name, by the way. We should put that on the t-shirt. Right. Oh, wow. We might. You have to fill the coozy on your own. That doesn't come with something.

Yeah. So they say, I thought I was the only one who loves the car. So, Kevin, you're not alone. There you go, Naz. Yeah, that is actually really, you know what's up. It's hella good. It's a movie that came out in like the early 80s, late 70s. It's about to have its 41 year anniversary, according to Naz.

Oh, shit. Yeah. I guess so. I remember watching that as a kid, and it is pretty cool. It's a good movie. Yeah. James Rowling then? Yeah, and the car

they use is creepy as hell. Oh my God, is it creepy? I mean, is it kind of like you think where Stephen King got the idea for Christine or no? Maybe. I mean, does the car do things like Christine did or no?

Yeah, kind of. I mean, you never, yeah, basically, I mean, it's, it chases people around and stuff and and it's really, I mean, if you ever see the movie poster, kind of get an idea with the front end of the car. It's a real creepy vehicle, and I remember

watching as a kid, and it was pretty scary. At that time, I mean, it might not be as scary now to watch. It was before. Well, yeah, because, yeah, Christine came out in 83, and the other one was 77. When did he write the novel, Christine? That would be the question. Yeah, he wrote it before the car.

After that, I'm sure, yeah. But, I mean, it had to be, you know, let's see. Yeah, King's been around for a while, so... Joe Lo Ho-ho thought it was awesome. Oh, wow. Okay. So, when did the movie come out again? 77. Did Stephen King just fucking steal this, completely steal this idea?

I wonder. What the fuck? Are you guys telling me the truth here? Cocaine's a hell of a drug. That's where his high coke years, right? I thought it was... That was, is that what Peter said? Family God

Math is held No, that was what She said, Lois said. I think Patrick said it on this podcast tonight. I heard it. You know what they say? Say perhaps to drugs.

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Facebook, any of that stuff. Listen to us and tell us what you think. And throw some stuff out there, man. We'll talk about you on the show. You're awesome. Thank you so much. Revenge, as well as the horror classic, I spit on your grave, although we're not going to see the classic, or talk about the classic version from 78, but the remake from 2010. We might talk about the old one a little bit, but the remake was easier to find, so there you go. Yeah, I couldn't find the classic either, man. Yeah, it's like it's hidden. I've seen it, but it's been a couple of years. You can't even get that motherfucker on Amazon. I mean, maybe.

Richard. Oh, wow. Couldn't find it anywhere. But, uh, all right, I spent on your grave, uh, 2010. Director was Stephen R. Monroe, also known for It Waits. And, uh, I spit on your grave, too. There you go. Writer Adam Rockoff, also known for Devious Nanny and something called Buried Secrets.

Devious Nanny. Uh, now we get into the trivia. According to Jeff Branson, although it was never used, there was an outward that Sarah Butler, the main actress, was to use if the rape scenes got too intense. Oh. Good to know that was there. At the beginning of the film, Jennifer buys $19.78 cents worth of gas. Well, as we just said, 1978 is the year of the original film I spit on your grave.

Easter eggs. And the final piece of trivia, Roger Ebert, gave this film zero stars. Oh, wow. as he did with the original. Really? Yeah. So who wants to go first? Our guest, Pete, you haven't seen it.

Patrick, have you seen it? I have. It's been a while. And I don't remember the remake as much as I do the original. But I do know it's definitely tamer. I mentioned that in the comments earlier. They really scaled back. Because the original, if you're watching the original, it's almost like watching the snuff film.

Yeah, that's what was so creepy about it. I agree. Yeah, I mean, it's like, because it's got terrible acting and all that stuff in it. But the rape seems look real. I mean, it's like, it's almost disturbing the watch. Oh, wow. And they made the newer one, you know, they toned it down to where it's not nearly as, you know, when you're watching it's not nearly as disturbing. which is probably a good thing in a way. But, um, so the rape scenes aren't nearly as intense as what they were in the first one.

I thought they were pretty fucking intense, man. I've never seen the original, but this, uh, oh man, it was brutal, especially the rape scenes. I was like, wow. To get more intense than that, uh, yeah, the first one, I don't even know if I want to watch that one. Yeah, like I said, I felt really kind of weird watching the first one out because I was like, man. I mean, it just, and it happens over and over again the first one, and it's just like, holy shit. So the newer one, it's, I thought it was a pretty good remake, really, and the fact that they toned it down made it actually a little more watchable for that reason. Yeah.

And the acting was a little bit better because, I mean, they got like no name actors for that first one, so. Yeah, I'm going to get my opinion, Philip, I know you want to jump in, but real quick. Oh, no, go ahead. I'm going to simply say the 1978 wouldn't disturb me big time because I love what Philip, I'm sorry, I love what Patrick said. It's absolutely positively like watching a snuff film. You know, it's like some people grabbed a video camera in the 70s and shot and recorded fucking a chick. And, oh, man, it fucking makes you feel horrible. Is it like, I mean, violent scenes?

Like violent sex? Yeah, yeah. It's super weird, dude. It's like incredibly uncomfortable. And I can see why it's a cult classic. But this one, way too polished, way too professional looking. It was like you were watching a movie instead of watching the stuff film. And it was just like, yeah, it was just way too polished for me.

And that's all I'm going to say about this movie because I'm ready to move on. I mean, I just feel kind of dirty. I mean, really. Well, that's what the show is about today. but yeah I thought it was I thought it was pretty brutal and I thought the acting was pretty good

I enjoyed the second half of the film as as much as I don't know if you say enjoyed the first half but it had me hook line and sinker man I was I was invested in it

it took it a minute to get going but I think that they did that in order to set it up and I wasn't 100% 100% sold on the chick as an actress until this shit started

going down and then she was and then I thought she did a great job and it was very uncomfortable to watch yeah that remake of the last house on the left I know they had a really intense rape scene in that one that was very uncomfortable yeah that scene went on

a little too long for me yeah well it's like the Jody Foster film the accused. Yeah? They had a gang rape scene and everything. Oh, they haven't seen that in years. That was intense.

I mean, they had to stop filming a couple times because it got so intense. That was the one that was filmed in Central Park, right? No, it was in a bar, but I mean, the... Oh, I know the one you're talking about. The thing was that they that said it was

a precedent was they prosecuted not all the people that actually raped her, but the people that, like, encouraged it. The charge was called criminal solicitation because they encouraged the other ones to attack her and that had never been done before in the court and everything. But when the, you know, it's kind of based on a true story somewhat. But, I mean, when they did the scene, it was just really intense.

And she even said, yeah, they had to stop a few times because it just got so overwhelming, you know. I'm amazed she didn't have to use a safe word in this one. I know, right? Yeah. Because you said this one is even more graphic, right? She did have a say for an available film. But does she use it, though? According to the trivia.

Well, that's what I'm saying, but it says she didn't. Yeah. So, I mean, as far as really intense rape scenes go, I had seen this one before, and I forgot how brutal this movie was. I must have blocked it from my memory. Definitely uncomfortable to watch, but maybe not the worst rape scene.

Right. Good movie, though. I guess that's something that's hard to make, you know, to replicate on screen. I mean, because it's already a brutal act as it is, but to try to recreate it in a film. Yeah. I mean, to be theatrical and everything, it's like that's still hard, you know, because, I mean. I mean, showing a consensual sex scene is one thing. That's different.

It's showing a rape scene. But, yeah, like an attack. I mean, you know, yeah. But I like how they kind of show it from everybody's angle, you know. Like the first half of the movie is from the chick and then the the last half of the movie is like her being the boogeyman for these guys and then suddenly they're just like normal redneck dudes and they're getting killed by this crazy woman. I did kind of appreciate a couple of the kills there at the end. But I thought she didn't go far enough. So these were the guys that raped her and she goes after him?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I see it. Yeah, but it's like... She didn't go far enough for me. Oh, yeah. I think she should have prolonged the agony a little bit, shall we say. Yeah.

After what they were to her. There's especially the sheriff. I don't think he quite got what he deserves. Yeah. Although his seat was pretty intense, too. Yeah, I knew the wife and daughter were never in any harm ever. Yeah. I knew she would have done that, but she could have made him suffer a little more.

Oh, yeah. And the guy with the lie in the old-fashioned tub. I love when she pulled that board out from him, and he fell down into the water with the lie in it. But I thought she could have made him suffer a little bit more. I thought that might have added a bit to the show. Although the dude with the fish hooks in the eyelids. That was cool.

And the crows came and pecked his eyes out. Oh, that was phony, though. The crows, come on. They wouldn't have come that quickly. I don't know, man. I liked it. That was brutal to watch, too. And I was like, oh, man, I know he had it coming, but holy shit.

Fish hooks in him and it made his eyes like Clackwork Orange. And the crows. And the crows picked him apart, which I think was kind of phony. But, you know, whatever. You're right, Phil. That was a pretty cool scene. All in all, though, man, I think I enjoyed watching this one. I don't know if I'd watch it again.

It's pretty intense. Yeah. Not a feel good movie of the decade. No, it's not one that you want to watch over and over. Yeah, that's one of those. One and done thing. One and done. What are you thinking, Brian?

I'm going to do mine real quick because this is probably my least, like, I guess, subgenre of horror, the rape revenge movie. Going back to the original, I thought Camille Keaton, who played the original, Jennifer Hills, she made that movie with her performance. because I felt really uncomfortable watching that. Yeah. I kind of kept telling myself, you know, this is just a movie, you know, but she convinced me that I'm watching the actual rate being filmed.

But this movie, I think it is a little tamer when it comes to that scene compared to the original. But oddly, I thought the ending was, I don't know. not going to say I liked it, but I was satisfied just watching everything that she had went through and then for it to end like that. And I thought I was a message in you,

Lanssa. I really like the character of the sheriff, but the actor. Very good actor, and I was a message in Lansa, this guy's really Welsh. He's from Wales. He's not American. Yeah. Oh, dude. He plays that part to a T.

Yeah. I love the accent and everything Yeah overall I thought it was a little slow That was a West Craven movie But I mean but they remit? Yeah they did remake the last house I've seen the remake

Yeah I've never know it was an original Sorry we didn't mean to interrupt you Brian we're over there It's cool It's cool it's cool It's cool Basically I thought it was a little slow in the beginning I thought compared to the original The rape scene was tame

but I really enjoyed the kills at the end and it was oddly satisfying but I probably won't watch this or the sequels because the sequels the second one they put a little bit more emphasis on the rape scenes

because there's more than one rape scene with the girl. Oh no. And the kills are a little bit toned down compared to this one but the third one brings back the girl from this movie, the remake. Okay. And she is basically like a serial killer that goes around killing rapists and child molesters.

Oh, wow. And some of those, yeah, some of those kills are pretty fucking graphic. Wow. Yeah, I won't give it away, but there's a scene where she goes down on a guy and there's a whole bunch of things she does to him. not just one thing to his lower region i'll just put it that way she does multiple different things oh nice that's what they fucking deserve exactly the punishment let the punishment fit the crime wow there you go uh all right um i know we're all ready to talk about revenge you guys ready for

scores yeah yeah all right who went first patrick did i go first um i really this is probably not an accurate score because I don't really totally remember the remake it's been a while since I've watched it but yeah this is the remake we're scoring yeah right and I I'm going to score it as a four just because I don't I need to

probably watch it again yeah but it may go up or down from there but I just don't remember it being that impressed it might even be more of a three for me but I'm going to just go by memory probably a four but yeah it was okay but it

It wasn't, like, it's just not my, I'm not really into that kind of, I mean, it's, when it's it's disturbing to watch, I don't mind it being disturbing for some things, but this one was just, it was uncomfortable, so. Yeah. That's just not my, I, you know, it went a little far, which I, I guess is good for the art in some ways, but, yeah, it just wasn't my, my thing. I think it could have probably done, done a better, more intense movie and not had to have made it like what it was. it's it's a weird genre of movie yeah yeah Lance what do you think um yeah it's it's a weird genre of movie I mean the the original the 78 version I would I would give a I would give a much higher score to because of the realism of the way that they filmed it and I

think that Brian was talking about the lead the lead actress and how her performance was you know pretty pretty special even though it was what some people would call a piece of shit. It's really hard to describe. I mean, I'm incredibly uncomfortable talking about this, which is probably a good thing. It's probably how we should be feeling as guys. It made you feel something.

It made you, you know, that's what movies are supposed to do. They're supposed to spark an emotion, you know. Let you think about it. Left a hell of an impact. Yeah, exactly. And the first one did? Yeah. I mean, well, yeah, it goes a long ways to how men treat women

and how they should respect them. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's like the old adage, you know, they say, you know, well, she was wearing this, so she was asking for it and all of, and that's a load of crap. You know, I mean, that's, no woman is asking for to be attacked and brutalized, you know, so to get her revenge like she does, I mean, you know, hey, those guys deserved it. You know, they deserved everything they got.

Well, I mean, well said, you know, this remake, I'm going to be tough. for me to give it above a three. And that's just simply... No, not ouch. It's just simply because it was way too... Like I said, polished. It looked like a... I don't know how to describe it, guys.

I'm really kind of... More tame. I don't even know if I'd say more tame because it was pretty rough. I mean, it had some brutal scenes in it, for sure. It just really loses the feel of the original. Maybe the other one was the original more gritty, more real... Thank you.

There you. I was going to say, Lance, I was going to say it's almost like Texas Chainsaw Mask of the original, how gritty and grimy it is. Yeah. Okay. Because it looks more like, you know, was a handheld, you know, camera making the film like a documentary type style. You know, maybe. You hit the nail right on the head. And I, I mean, I enjoyed this film.

Yeah. I hate, I mean, three sounds horrible. But it was just, this, this type of film shouldn't have been developed the way this one was. it should have been filmed entirely differently and it should have been it should have been more based on the the gritty reality side of things

and also quite frankly I thought the acting was not really that good in this one particularly the lead the lead guy the guy the gas pump that tripped over and made an ass of himself and then he got pissed off and

that's why he wanted to rape her I mean seriously that's your motivation you dumb fuck. I mean, they're all just backwood hicks, but I just didn't think the acting was that great in this movie. And I, she wasn't nearly as good

as the actress that was in the original film. And that's just my opinion. But, you know, three out of ten, which means it was, you know, one third okay.

That's not horrible. I'm moving on. Okay, you try to justify it. Man, I thought, I thought that it was a hell of a performance. This movie had me interested hook, line, and sinker. As much as uncomfortable as it was to watch,

and as much as I'm definitely not going to watch this again anytime soon, it definitely kept my attention. I got to give it a, I'm going to say at least a six and a half. Not bad. It was, yeah, I mean, it wasn't a bad movie. I had forgotten about it, completely. It's definitely

not my genre of horror but I think that they pulled it off. They did it well. I like the way they ended it too, where it just stopped. I thought that was kind of... Yeah. And I was okay with the acting, especially with the guys.

I thought they all did a really great job. I'm going to go with a five. I think it's an okay movie. I thought the acting was okay. I think the main actress Sarah Butler. I think she's a lot better in the third one. Right.

And there was some brutal kills in here. I mean, we didn't even talk about the shotgun jammed up the guy's ass. That was pretty, that was pretty cool, actually. Yeah, the shotgun jammed up the guy's ass. And it's like if his buddy moved, it would blow his brains, blow his ass to his brains. and then hit his buddy too so it did hit his buddy too is that what happened and he died

okay just to make sure so on that note it was okay so I have to give it a five but still like I said this is not my favorite subgenres not something I can go recommend someone watching yeah well so maybe we should have had a woman

on this episode because we had a bunch of Really uncomfortable guys here talking about rape revenge movies. I imagine we have a really uncomfortable woman talking about the same shit. Yeah, I guess so. All right, well, let's move on. So basically, we don't really recommend this one. I mean, if you like that, if you like the kind of thing, heaven help you.

You can't watch any more than once. You can't watch any more than once. It's so intense, yeah. I do not read any reviews of films before we see our book. before we see it and talk about it on the show. Yeah, but unfortunately, I did peek at a couple of scores, like rotten tomatoes and stuff like that. No, revenge is not a remake.

This is an original film. Okay. Okay, director and writer was Coralie Faragor. I don't know, it's French. Bear with me. That sounds good. The short film, Reality Plus. This film features so much blood that, according to the director,

the prop team would often run out of fake blood. That was going to have a comment about that later in the movie. We'll talk about it. I know you would. It has been selected to be screened in the Midnight Madness section of the 2017 Toronto International Film Festival. And in the Midnight Shivers Program of the 21st Talon Black Knights Film Festival. So we are now talking about revenge. Pete, I know you haven't seen it.

No, I haven't seen it. Pat, pretty sure you haven't seen it? Yeah, I haven't seen it. Okay, the rest of his have, so who wants to go first? I'll go ahead. When I first started watching this, Lance, I kind of had the same problem you did with the I spent on your gray remake. I thought it was a little polished, I guess, is it the word we're using? Kind of professional.

Yeah, but as the movie got on, I really dug the way he would film stuff. There was a lot of... Oh, it's a she. Oh, I'm sorry, she. It's definitely a female director and writer. The way it was filmed, the way there was some pretty cool close-up shots of things in slow motion. That was that I kind of dug. Another one problem I had going in, the main actress, Matilda Lutz.

She was in that horrible rings movie. Oh, she wasn't. Oh, was she? You assholes had to sit through. Yeah, and I was like, oh, gosh. I don't know about this. It was like a real movie that I was smart enough to miss. Yes, you are.

That was just the luck of the draw. But it had Vincent and operas that week. But overall, as the movie got going, the rape and this isn't as brutal as I thought it was going to be. Yeah. They barely even showed it. Yeah. But as we got going, I kind of got it.

I was rooting for her when she went on this. basically mission to get everybody back. She had me rooting for her. She had me. Basically, what I'm saying is as the movie was going, I started to like it more. And I thought it was a pretty cool movie overall.

Yeah. Philip? I'm going to agree with you. I think it was pretty cool. Especially the first half of the movie. Very artistic. kind of in the same vein as like neon demon, which I think maybe from the same studio. Possibly, yeah.

I will look that up. Just some very, very cool visual stuff happening. Great cinematography. I think there were a lot of moments of greatness in this movie. You know, where like you see just a cool close-up show. of a guy riding a motorcycle and just the way that they do it with the music that they put into it

is Tarrantino-esque man He's hitting everything I was going to say Perfect I don't need to say anything Phil I need to see this Yeah oh you'll enjoy it It's super cool man But the second half of the movie

I felt like it It did go a little Off the Deep end maybe Now we're going to disagree, so this is where it gets fun. They went, I mean, I don't know how much I can say without getting into a lot of spoilers, but like they went from some really reality-based stuff to going, all right, shit's getting weird now. Okay.

I'm glad you're saying that, dude, we're going to disagree so big time on the last second half. But if you can suspend your belief in reality. Which you have to do in the first half of the movie, too. I don't know. The first half of the movie, I thought, was pretty real. Even when you're on the fucking tree stop? No, that's what I'm talking about. Jesus Christ, okay.

But yeah, yeah. How do you kill someone in this movie was what I was starting to one? Jesus Christ, man. Not just her. Once you get past that and then you look at it as like, I don't know, maybe a super, hero kind of movie, like she's, she's gained these superpowers or something. Then it's kind of a cool

deal to it. Yeah. Well, that'll do it. Drugs. But yeah, no, I thought it was really cool. It was fun to watch. It was definitely a visual fucking masterpiece. Wow. Okay. I couldn't agree with you more on a

couple of things. The photography was some of the best I've seen in any film ever of any genre. Whoever did the whoever did the principal photography on this. Holy shit. It's almost Oscar worthy, especially the long shots of the desert and everything.

Yeah. They got a motorcycle like you were saying. Holy shit. Beautifully, beautifully filmed movie. I'm also going to say the acting was okay. You know, it wasn't horrible. It was definitely serviceable. Definitely a step above day.

to hain, Brian. No doubt about that. Is that Jason Clark? Do what? So Jason Clark? Yeah, exactly. Jason Clark. He could have pulled off his role.

Yeah, I mean, it's a beautifully film movie, but I'm going to disagree with you because I think the second half is so much better than the first half for a lot of reasons that we're going to get into in spoilers. But that's the fun part of it, Philip. I love disagreeing with you guys on these movies because that's why we're here. That's why we talk about this shit, you know? Everybody's got your own different views.

But you were saying lockstep exactly what I thought about it. The music was phenomenal. The music was just beautiful. Yeah. At the beginning of it, the soundtrack was just one of the most well-fitting soundtracks to a movie that I've ever seen. The photography is some of the best photography. some of the best filming of any movie I've ever seen of any genre.

End of story. Yeah. You know, I don't know what else to say. I think that the, I hate to say a rape scene was tasteful, because that's a horrible thing to say, but the rape scene, the way that it didn't make you watch it, but it heard, oh my God, the way you can hear her screaming and pain. Realistic. Oh, my God.

It was just, it took you there and it made you really fucking. and pissed off. But they got so detailed and so graphic about everything else and they didn't show the rake. Or not most of it anyway. Brian, what do you think, man? Lance, I kind of

agree with you. I don't think they needed to show anything because just listening to it because yeah. Mine is a spoiler. One of the other guys sees it going on and he just walks out the room

and just turns up the TV, and you can still hear it going on. I think that was enough for me to just to feel uncomfortable enough. It was not intense. And that TV comes into play later in the movie in a big way. And you didn't pass that mark from going, ooh, that's some bad shit that's happening to going, oh, I kind of feel disgusting watching this. Like, I said on your break kind of did.

Yeah, because I can, going back to the remake of, last house on the left. I think that rape scene was not tasteful because it just went on and on and on. I actually seen that in the theater and I had in the theater there was a bunch of women that just got up and left the theater because it was just

showing on and on. It doesn't surprise me at all. Yeah, because I remember watching that and thinking, oh, this is fucking terrible. I feel disgusting watching it. Yes. Like you're a voyeur. Yeah, like you're a voyeur.

That's a good way to put it. Very good way to put it, Pete. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess... But this one didn't do that. You're supposed to do it where it makes you feel something and, you know, and be an intense thing. But, yeah, sometimes they can carry it a little too far.

And I guess that's why people would walk out is just too much. You know, they just can't handle it, you know? Well, they had some pretty intense, like, gore in this movie. Like they said, they ran out of blood, you know? But... I believe that. Yeah. All right.

Oh, I know, right? Holy shit. There was one part I was like, how much fucking blood does this girl have? No kidding. Not just her. Not just her. The kills? Well, yeah, we'll go into it more in spoilers, but they use a lot of blood.

Safe to save. They must be students of Sam Remy. Oh, yeah. And we'll talk about that more next week, right? When we talk about Deadpool 2 and Ash? Hell yeah. This is going to be my favorite show of the year. Revent?

No, Deadpool 2 and Ash versus the Evil Dead. Like, okay, now you're in my wheelhouse. Next week. Oh, yeah. That looks so fucking hilarious. The first one was classic. Brian, you asked this a question? I was just going to say you guys ready for scores?

Yep. I'll start it off. I'm going to give it a solid seven. I agree with almost everything you guys said about the cinematography. I thought it was shot well. There was really some, we'll get into it and spoiler, some crazy shots that was weird, but I was really digging. Right. I liked her performance in there.

The other guys were average, but like I said, as the movie got going and she started getting her as the title tells you revenge, it had me rooting for her by the end. So seven out of ten. Yeah, I am right on par with you. I think, see, in the first half of the movie, man, it had me 100%. And I think the second half of the movie, I just maybe realism sort of went out the window. And so actually, I say the first half and the second half, the first 20 minutes in the movie, and then the last rest of it.

Okay. All right, that makes more sense. I understand what you're saying, totally. But I'm still going to give it a seven, man. Yeah, I think it was... You know what? I'm going to give it a seven and a half. I think that just because it was so freaking gorgeous to watch... Oh, yeah, you're doing some of the tariff.

Couldn't agree more. Yeah, dude, it was really cool. I think this may be a must-watch kind of thing. Yeah. The score may go up eventually. Could be, man. I'm going to watch it again. I'm also seven and a half

And I'm you know Cinematography of the entire film And soundtrack Of the entire film score The music they played in the background The way that they matched up the music Like when the guy got in He

Oh my God You know what I may give an 8 Quite frankly Because when he was in the The guy was in the range rover And he stuck his wire into her iPod and the music started playing

there's just so much symbolism in this you know it's it's not in your face you know nasty ugly gross the way that the film we talked about previously was but you understand what happened and you completely get why she did what she did the only reason I can't give it a higher score

is because it got so fucking phony in parts. Yeah. But then I got to thinking about it. And you know what? She ate peyote in one part of this movie. Well, I was waiting for that to come back around. You know what? And they were all drinking.

And make she hallucinate it. How do we know that what we saw on screen is what really happened? Obviously not. Maybe it wasn't quite what we saw. Maybe she didn't land. maybe she didn't fall that far off the cliff. And I'm not spoiling anything yet because this was all in the trailer. Maybe the fall she took wasn't that far.

Maybe she didn't have that piece of wood go all the way through her skin. Maybe we didn't go that far. Maybe a lot of it was in her mind and maybe she was so fucked up after having gone through that trauma that we're seeing it for her point of view. maybe this what the guys are seeing didn't happen I'm just trying to give it the benefit of the doubt it got really phony and that's the reason I can't give it higher than an eight yeah and I am going to go eight because it was so beautifully filmed

I love the ending and we're going to talk about that in spoilers but let me tell you what guys this could be close to a top five for the year for me whoa it really could be I did not expect that Pretty goddamn good. Just like last week with what was the movie we saw last week? Bad Samaritan. I thought it was going to be a piece of shit. And it was the fastest an hour and 50 minutes that I've gone to the theater in my life.

I really enjoyed it. This movie also I enjoyed. And I watched it on an iPhone while we were driving from Houston to San Marcos. So if I enjoyed it that much watching it on an iPhone, can you imagine if it's on a big screen I'll tell you what when they say that much blood was used they used every fucking ounce of blood they had available

this is literally the bloodiest movie I've ever seen in my life there's four fucking people in the movie and like a hundred people worth of blood uh... spoilers Everybody give their score? Yep. I think so. An 8 and 2, 7.

Then so we highly, highly recommend the movie. Yeah. No, we had an 8, a 7.5, and a 7. Oh, yeah. Yeah, mine is 7 and a half, halfway through my review. All right, here we go. Who's going to spoil first?

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. I brought up the close-up slow-motion shots that I thought were super weird but effective. The close-up of the aunt with the blood driven all over it.

Yeah, loved it. I may be 8.5 now, dude. And also, the one scene that just creeped me out was the close-up of the guy eating the snacks or whatever as he was watching the girl get raped. Or not watching her get raped, but contemplating on, should I just leave or what? And then he just leaves and shuts the door, turns TV up. Yeah. That shot was really gross.

I think that was showing how disgusting all that shit was from her point of using. Yeah. Yeah, and not only were you, it was a close-up, but you heard every little bit. Yeah, it was gross. He's watching the rape. You have to see it. I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt here. We didn't turn the microphone off.

Peter was asking what you were talking about. I'm like, all I can say is you've got to see it instead of heard it. I need to see this movie. I'm like, my God, I need to see it. Yeah, it's a great, it's a great film. It's just a close-up of this guy eating chips, and it's so fucking disgusting sounding. It wasn't even stuff. It was like candy, right? Well, whatever.

While the rape is going on, or what? Oh, man. He, okay, he, he, he, the girl's about to get raped. He walks in, and she looks at him. at the guy that walks in. Yeah. Like she's one some kind of help. He's eating some kind of

chocolate marshmallow snack and then there's just a slow motion close up and you hear every little bite and crunch. And then he just he just nonchalantly turns around and shuts the door. Yeah.

And it was super gross. And I think, Philip, I think you're right. It just made him more disgusting as a person. Yeah. And one... In a situation that was already pretty disgusting. Yeah.

One thing I kind of, you guys brought up the faininess. I didn't like how she got off of the tree. I didn't either. Yeah, it was lighter and everything. Yeah, because the way the tree lit up on... The way the tree lit up on fire, I'm like, she just had a small burn on her back. Yeah. Conveniently, the branch she was on broke, and that was it.

well not to mention when she when she fucking sauters herself or cotterizes or whatever with that fucking beer can now she's got an eagle on her stomach and there's you know like what happened to the gigantic hole

that went all the way through your stomach yeah it got a little crazy I did enjoy that whole peyote scene though yeah that was cool they did it well they did it well yeah all the all those times she kept waking up thinking she was out of her dream

but she still in the dream. Basically it was like some inception in a dream within a dream. Yeah. Indy time they were fucked up. I think they did a great job of showing that. And the first like 20 minutes in the movie before she gets raped I thought we're so

goddamn sexy, man. I was watching it with my wife and was like, hmm, this is almost weird to watch with you right now. Yeah, she is a hundred times better than what we've seen in rings, because I completely just forgot about that movie and who was in it other than Vincent DeNafrio doing his

don't breathe impression. Yeah. But, yeah, she was fantastic in this. Yeah, that and then, yeah, when I don't know how in the hell she'd figured out how to get off of that goddamn tree, like, oh, well, I can reach my life. I'll just set the shit on fire. Sounds like a great idea. Yeah.

And there was a scene there. I don't know. I might be taken away from my score because I just thought of another. Why didn't she accept the deal? After that situation happened, he offered to fly her to Canada and get her a job. Oh, yeah. I didn't understand what was going on. Because I'm sure you can get back to Canada.

LA from Canada. Yeah. I don't know. Like I said, I mean, you kind of had to suspend disbelief after that happened. But, you know, maybe Lance was on the right track. I mean, this movie is very artistic, obviously. Right. And it only really started to go off the deep end once she got raped.

So. You have to wonder how much of that is in their mind, right? Right. maybe maybe a lot of it is from her point of view well is the peyote scene before the rape no it's it's afterwards while she pulling the like fucking

toilet paper roll sized branch out of her fucking stomach that's going literally from one side to the other and she brands her she she does the peyote cuts herself open pulls the shit out and then cauterizes herself with a

beer can that she has spliced open and and so it's like a big piece of sheet metal now but it's got a big eagle on it right it's kind of got to be seen to be believed am I right guys and so she like cauterizes the front

and apparently the back you don't see the back but I assume that she did it because otherwise she'd still be losing blood out the back after she's lost like three people's worth of blood so there's no way that she'd still be alive, but whatever. Yeah. And then now, now, she doesn't have to nurse this wound or anything. She wakes up and suddenly she's a fucking badass and she's just got this like perfectly

tattooed eagle on her front and back and a little black around her back because, you know, the tree caught on fire when she was getting herself down to that. Yeah. I'm thinking, I'm thinking that she didn't. I mean, I'm serious. I've got a theory going here that she didn't fall as far as it looked like in the movie, and she didn't have the tree stump go all the way through her. It just kind of maybe cut her side or something like that. I'm thinking that her mind made it stronger than what it really was. I mean, I don't know how to describe it, but that's how I'm...

Well, I mean, I'm thinking she... Yeah, but pain is also a strong hallucinage. You know what I mean? So I'm just thinking that maybe it's not quite... Everything may not be what we saw on the... the screen. Right. As far as reality,

you know? Yeah. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that, too. I want to really enjoy the movie, you know? I also kind of like the switching of the roles for the, you got the guy that raped her.

And he is not, he is not the same person. Kind of do what? I said he is not the same person as, as after he rapes her. That's for, yeah. Especially after she gets pushed off the cliff,

he is wanting to call the police. police, tell the whole story. Oh, yeah. And then you got that guy that she came there with. He switches, and he is just the biggest piece of shit there ever fucking was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, in other words, the other guy said, uh, sorry about Jen.

And he was like, who's Jen? I've never heard of her. But hey, you know what? Now that you mentioned that, you know what? I think it was kind of cool toward the end of the movie. They kind of, um, they made him into a sexual, um, creature too because they they they sort of made him into a piece of meat at the end because they showed like there were scenes that showed his full body right yeah it was kind of like uh instead of they in these

movies they always show the woman they always show the woman you know and and in this in this particular film they showed him as well almost kind of like they were uh the camera was taking advantage of him as well you know naked covered in blood you know i don't think they ever showed even her boobs and they actually showed a quick shot of his. I think we got one shot. Did we? Yeah, I think when he, the guy

that rapes her, he's watching her get undressed. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. I was getting up right to say I'm out if there's no gratuitous nudity in it. There was definitely Gertudas nudity. Yeah, but we don't want to see the guy,

we don't see it. Yeah, we don't see it. It's kind of like forcing you to see it. Exactly, right, yeah. Well, you got to have something for the ladies, too, you know. I mean, not that I want to see it. It's like a nice one. It's like a nice one. There's some bloody penis.

Okay. All right, let's lighten the spirits here a little bit. Bloody penis is not light enough? Yeah, it's pretty light. Yeah, I love that final scene, guys. when it was her against him in the rental house or whatever it was there. Yeah. And all the privilege that he had and I don't know.

I just, I really enjoyed this movie. I thought it was great from start to finish. Yeah, I had to watch it twice because I was a little bit more down on it the first time. But the second viewing kind of raised my score. Cool. Well, sounds like you should definitely check this one now. if you haven't seen it. You can find it on Shudder, right?

Not yet. I was mistaken. That's the shitty part, man. But soon? I believe... $6.99 to rid it on iTunes. Yeah, I believe sometime late summer

it'll be on there, which is weird because if you look at the posters and everything, it says shutter on there. Yeah, that was the opening... That's what I was wondering... So you're saying

you've got to put a life vest on to find it, or... Yeah. I mean, It's available to rant, but it is also out there. We don't need no life. And I'm for a dry to knee. It's just fat.

No, that's not you, Pat. Sorry. And I believe a couple of people on the Facebook group says it's in select theaters. Oh, that'd be cool. I'd love to see this one in theaters. Yeah. Got to, man. Speaking of

The theaters Speaking of movies You have to see in theaters What's coming out next week, guys? Deadpool 2 And what else are we going to watch? We've already seen that we're going to talk about Okay, let's, are we going to do a season

3 of Ash versus Evil Dead? No, we're going to talk about this series. Okay. Series, man. We're going to talk about the full series, man. We're going to go back and watch the entire series, baby. if we can do it for the fucking Jap animation show we can do it for this. Why not?

I'll show my wife. I'll make her watch it. What was that Japanese animation show? You cock suckers made me sit through. Why do you keep saying that? You made us watch it. Fuck you, right. It was your idea, man.

It was my idea to watch the movie, not the entire 63 episode season. What was it? I don't even remember what it was called, man. Death Note. You remember we saw the Death Note guy at Frightmare? Well, yeah, and he was cool. I wanted to tell him, hey, I love your costume, but the movie sucked. Fortunately for you, Ash versus Evil Dead is definitely not Death Note.

That's true. Much better. Much different. I'm excited about watching it a second time. Yeah, me too, baby. All right, so we want to thank our guest for sure. Patrick, thanks for coming on the second

week in a row, man. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, and we appreciate your top ten. And Peter, thanks for coming, brother. I appreciate it. And you don't have a podcast or anything, right? No, I don't. I don't, but I'd like to be back on this one. This is very enjoyable.

Anytime, brother. Yeah. We may have another host on. We got Nez. He's a permanent diehard member. Patrick's a permanent diehard member, and now we got Pete. I'm down. There you go.

All right. So we're going to talk about what's next week. So be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Podbean. Just search for the horror returns, and we promised to get a lot more active on Twitter. Since apparently that's what everybody's on. And did we reach a milestone, Brian?

Yeah, we just hit 400 followers. Which doesn't sound like much. Yeah, it's Facebook We're at like 1,500. And it might take us a while to get there, but whoever the 500 follower becomes,

I'll do another Blu-ray giveaway. Cool. There we go. There you go. All right, cool. So if you like what you hear, rate us and review us. You guys already know what's coming up next week.

So Pat, until the horror returns again. Good night. Ha!