The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #105: RoboCop (1987) & Upgrade (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: May 17, 2023

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and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome back, one and all to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Philip. How's it going, guys? It's going pretty good. Pretty awesome. Saturday.

Yeah? Yeah. not working, I'm happy. That's definitely an upgrade, right? Yeah. What do you been up to, Brian? Oh, same old, same old. Working.

New job? Yeah, new job. Couldn't do the night thing no more. It's crazy to say, but it's kind of dangerous out here in these Anchorage streets. The mean streets of Anchorage, huh? Yeah, I had a conversation wouldn't have. as about it. I was on his show, probably coming out here pretty soon. But, uh, yeah, lots changed up here. So, nighttime outside. Not, not the best place to be. Was it just like the

northern lights that drive people crazy or what? Well, it's about to be summertime. So I think it's the constant daylight all the time. Oh, people confused. Right. That's that crazy shit. You got weird Eskimo gangstas. Man, gives a whole new meaning to the term summertime blues, huh? Yeah. All right, well, fuck, let's jump in, guys. The coolest thing you've seen this week, Brian.

I actually got three not cools. Ouch. Oh, no. Got to have one cool, man. I don't think I do. I checked out this movie called Ansoon the Darkness with Amber Hurd. Oh, no. I saw you post that on Facebook.

I did look very good from the poster, man. Yeah, basically, if you've ever seen a movie where a couple of chicks go to another country to backpack or vacation, you already know what happens. So typical by the numbers movie, it was Amber Heard is, her acting is atrocious. It really is. What else has she been in? well she's going to be the new show not not the new she's in the new uh aquaman movie coming out oh that's the super hotline chick okay yeah she's the fish chick yeah i don't i can't think of something anything she's really been good in why would they pick her oh never mind say no more dc universe

exactly of course okay and it also had uh i can't think of his name car urban he was in it for no reason he's usually pretty good yeah he was in about 10 minutes altogether he didn't do nothing in it oh that sucks I hate when they waste actors like that yeah I think this was an older movie a few years ago so

and I just for shits and giggles I fucking watch kidnap with hollyberry yeah we saw that film didn't we yeah that almost fell into the cool of the week just because it was so funny, but not on purpose funny. Yeah.

You're talking about stupid people. Yeah, and it was just, this movie angered my wife. It was so bad that she just kept glaring at me, like, why are we watching this? And I was like, it was, it was late at night. There was nothing on. Whoa.

Well, so give us the stupid, we got to play the stupid people sounder, man, because Patrick went out of his way to get it for us. We haven't used it in like four months. Okay, I'll give you one thing that just blew my mind. She is chasing after this person that kidnapped her kid and a toolbox falls out of the person's car. And then she swerves all over the road screaming like, I don't know. Like, it was the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen.

It was a not a large toolbox, but she swerved out of the way like a body fell out the back of the trunk or something. Or I don't know. It was fucking ridiculous. Well, and then she had a moment in there, I remember, where she had the chance to just run them the fuck over and she didn't take it. Yeah. Oh, you talking about when they were negotiating? Yeah. Yeah, I was like, what are you doing?

Hmm. You could play that sounder for this entire movie. But my real not cool of the week, the Houston Rockets. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. That was definitely not cool. could not pull it out in game seven. They were in there, though.

Yeah. If Chris Paul would have not been injured, I think it would have went totally different, at least game six or seven. Or if they'd have hit a couple of those 27 threes that they missed. Oh, my gosh. Live by the three, die by the three. Yeah, they died by it.

So with that and those two movies, it was pretty shitty week as far as watching stuff. Rough week, huh? Oh, boy. Phil, can you bring us up, man? I can. I have a couple of cool of the weeks, actually. One, I watched on Netflix

Cargo with Martin Freeman. The zombie flick. And it was pretty good. It was another one of those zombie slow burns, but it was like a real world, like world builder. And they're in Australia. So, like, the Aboriginal people, are really the only ones who have survived this

because they went back to the old ways and it's just like hiding from predators and shit for them. Right. So he's got a, he's been bit and he has to find his daughter a safe place before he turns. He has 48 hours before he turns. And they did a really good job of it. And, you know, Martin Freeman is great

and everything I'll watch him in. So that was pretty cool. And then Cobra Kai. I finally watched it. Yes. Easily binge through the whole thing, man. That was a great fucking show. I didn't expect that at all.

It was a... It's just taking a different perspective on karate kid and the events that happened, you know? And where it kind of makes Johnny out to be sort of a good guy. Well, not so much the good guy, more the victim. Kind of a flawed hero. He does make a good case for his. His side of the story?

Yeah. He does. And while his methods are a little extreme when he's trying to teach the kids, it's kind of a bad news bear sort of situation. And he's, you know, maybe a little too tough on him, but he's like teaching these nerds to be tough. And that's the new cobra Kai. And it reminds you a lot of the old cobra Kai. But after a backstory, suddenly they're not necessarily the bad guys anymore. Mm-hmm.

So I thought it was a cool perspective, man. I have to go back and watch the Karate Kid with new eyes. Yeah, well, I kind of have two competing for Cool of the Week, but I think ultimately one's going to win out. But I did start watching, I've seen, I have no doubt it'll be my Cool of the Week next week because I've only had a chance to see the first episode, but I took Patrick's advice and started Deadwood. Oh, yeah?

Yeah, yeah, it is going to be a great show. I especially love the last five or ten minutes of it. It's like it really set it up for the rest of the series. I got to watch it. My wife didn't, she didn't want to watch it with me. Oh, man, it's definitely a cool of the week. It's a guy's show, man. She may not enjoy it.

I'm probably going to watch it, you know, pretty much without AJ. Yeah. But, yeah, dude, it's awesome. But my cool of the week, despite all my protestations. my moans and my groans my biching my refusal to watch it you just mentioned it Phil

oh you watched it watched all 10 episodes in one day yeah it's easy to get sucked into that one fucking amazing man you guys were right you weren't exaggerating it is so much better than it has a right to be Brian why do you

why do you think it's so damn good man I it, because it knows what it is. Like there, there's some scenes in it that, yes, it is cheesy, but it knows it's cheesy. And it kind of, it sticks to what the movies were, you know, it doesn't try to be anything more, anything less, you know. Yeah, there's a couple of really good jokes in it. And I love how Johnny's just so out of touch with anything. He's handing out flyers and he's like, yeah, go visit our site. pretty rad.

WW period, cobra kai, period. That's so great, man. What's Facebook? Yeah. That dude does not do the book face.

Yeah, no, I mean, it's so well written because all the characters are just multifaceted and there's really no good guy and no bad guy,

you know? It's just different points of view. And I thought I knew what was coming at the end, but it wasn't what I was expected. It kind of flipped it on me.

So I've continued, surprised by how good each episode would end and how much you, because that little Cobra Chi symbol comes up and the music starts and you're like ah shit, that's the end of that one, but these are, they're like 30 minutes. They feel like they're 10 minutes each for

some reason, you know? It's so... And then you're like excited about watching the next one. Yeah. Hell yeah, man. That's always a good show. And they have some surprises coming. Oh, no doubt. Yeah, season two. If you're familiar with the film franchise, they have some surprises coming. Well, you know, I noticed one of the executive producers is Will Smith. Did you guys know that?

Yeah, it's through his company, which I hope we don't fucking get Jaden Smith. I know what you're getting at. That's not canon. Keep that out of it. They should bring him in just as like a little side character or an extra or something. and he says something completely off the wall and stupid. You know what? I wouldn't mind if there's a scene with the, what is the main character?

Miguel? If it's just a scene like they're at a grocery store and they just like walk by each other and just kind of look at each other and then just keep walking. I don't need Jaden to say anything. Yeah, it's as far as it. I think Will Smith knows what this is. I don't think, I think he's a savvy enough businessman. He's not going to fuck with the formula. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he made those formulae movies for years and he was. amazing at it. Right. Well, shit. One day maybe we'll actually do that Walking Dead retrospective, and maybe we'll actually do this one too. Actually, the Walking Dead retrospective is going to be pretty, is going to be pretty short, I think.

Have you guys finished? Are you guys up to date or not? Yeah, I binge the whole thing. I have some questions because. You up to date, Bill? Yeah, definitely. Are you talking Walking Dead in the headlines at all, Brian? Yep.

Okay. I'll hold my comments for that. All right, cool. So Cobra Kai, huh? It's unanimous. Don't watch it. If you haven't seen it yet, what are you doing? Speaking of headlines, Brian.

We talked about Jamie Fox being spawned. He's official. He is spawned. And really interesting. Yeah, really interested to see how this is going because Todd McFarlane, the creator. He's writing. and directing this movie. And Blumhouse is producing it.

And it's only going to be on a $10 million budget. Oh, wow. What in the world? Blumhouse has been up in their game lately, so we'll see how that goes. And Spawn is set for a 2019 release date. Okay. Okay. You guys remember when we watched the Slender Man trailer?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That movie was slated for early summer, then got switched to August 24th. Now it's being said that the film producers and Sony are in arguments over the movie. Like the rights? Yeah, the producers have exercised a clause in their contract that they can shop the movie to other studios. And they have, including Netflix and Amazon. But if they do not reach a deal, then.

and Sony can show it. Is that good or bad? From what I read, Sony sees it as a low-budget Blumhouse-style release, but the reducers feel like it has more potential and wants a bigger marketing push. Well, that might be a good thing. Yeah.

If they don't, I mean, if they don't find any, distribution or studios or whatever, they don't have to show it in theaters at all. So it could end up being a bad thing. I don't know. As long as it comes out at some point, they hold these movies in like this indefinite black hole that are already done that drives me crazy. Yeah. So we shall see.

Let's see. Director Corin Hardy and Jason Momoa have left the Crow remake due to, as you guys probably already know, creative and financial differences. Jason Mamoa tweeted out. It just kind of sounded like they weren't letting them do what they wanted to do. I'm not really for

the Crow remake, but it really sounded like Jason Mamoa and Corin Hardy really had a passion for this project and wanted it to do a certain way. And I guess studio is not having it. I think he would have been a really cool

crow, but it had so much potential to really suck. Yeah, a lot of potential. So the crow, I mean, dude, the crow, though, isn't he supposed to be like a real skinny, almost like a decomposing? If you read the comic books, it's like he's like super goth. I don't know. Jason Momoa just seems anything but that to me. Yeah.

He's like the epitome of Hale and Hardy. You know, it's kind of like if, it's kind of like if the rock were to play a skeleton, the role of a skeleton. Army of Darkness or something, you know? It just makes sense. I think he'd been intimidating as shit and would look really cool as the girl. But I love Jason Momoa despite Justice League. Right.

Well, I love Conan, the Conan movie that he came out in. I thought it was awesome. I mean, it was nothing like the original, but I enjoyed the hell out of that. I thought that was a great role for him. I'll have to go back and watch that. I think I saw it, but I can't remember. Yeah, it's a fun movie, man. Mm-hmm.

All right. On to probably the biggest news of the week. Andrew Lincoln is set to leave the Walking Dead after season nine. Now, why would they announce that instead of just surprise everybody? Were they afraid they couldn't keep it quiet or what? I don't know. It seems like he's done. And they're saying also Lauren Cohen, who plays

Maggie, she's, there was a lot of stories going back and forth, but she's coming back. She is coming back, but she also might leave after season nine. Great. So, so what does that mean? Is that going to be the end of the, are they going to wrap it up and this is going to be the final season? Or are they going to try to get somebody different to play Rick or kill him off or what? Well, from what I read, they're offering Norman Redis a $20 million contract to be the new

lead. I think if they're going to. do that. Yeah, I think if they're going to do that, they ought to just do a spin-off or something. Agreed. Yeah. Wrap this one up and don't even bother with the whispers or any of the other stories and just end it. Like, putting Egan in jail like they do in the comic book, but then, I don't know, have him get out and kill Rick. I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. They're already so far off the rails in the comic book. They shouldn't even be calling it the Walking Dead anymore at this point, you know? they're off the rails on everything man it started out like so real and cool and and now

you're not even worried about the zombies anymore it's just these crazy battles between these crazy personalities that have they're not realistic at all you know but it is what it is yeah i don't know what the actual reason for andrew lincoln but i know uh lauren colin I think it's a contract issue, because apparently the female actresses do not get paid well. Okay. Well, that's just stupid for them to lose her. Because they've already lost Carl, who is one of the biggest characters still going in the comic books. Okay.

Now they've already said they're going to lose Rick, who's probably the biggest character in the comic books. Are they going to really lose Maggie, who's probably the third biggest character in the comic books right? I mean, it sounds like they're just rebooting, period, huh? Yeah, because it doesn't even sound like she's, it says she might come back, but they're both saying for both characters are only going to be in six episodes. See, and I'm not even worried about them losing Maggie.

She is not super interesting for me in the last season anyway. Yeah, but there's potential, man. She does a lot in the comic book, though, that doesn't come across in the show. I kind of like how situations got kind of, kind of set up in the last episode with her. Not to get into our Walking Dead review, but with her and Daryl and how things might go in that direction.

Yeah, well, maybe that's how they'll hit that side of it. They're going to have to kill her off if she's going to leave. Right. Are they just going to, is Rick just going to, whoa, go get on a horse and run off into the sunset? set and say, you know, see you guys in the finale or what? I guess so.

Wow. Well, on that note, that is all the news, slow news week. All right, well, on that note, with talking about Norman Redis, I think we're really ready to go down to

the trailer park. He's the king of. All right. Not a big week for trailers. So this is all I can find. So first one is going to be Amityville Prison, starring Josh Khan, Leah Hollering, and directed by Brian Cavallero. Caballero, huh? The three Caballeros. I don't think this is real, dude. I think this is like that handjob cabin, dude.

I can't find an Amityville prison on IMDB anywhere, dude. I look at all. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If they don't even have it on IMDB. I didn't even, you know what? I didn't even write it down, but this movie had a different name. Oh, no, okay. And I believe it was filmed a couple years ago. Ouch. Oh, no.

Kiss of death. Yeah, because when I was doing my notes, I also went to IMDV and I put in Amityville Prison and just said nothing. And I had to do some research. Yeah, change title, just now being released. probably didn't have anything with Amityville and then they just attach the name to it

and they're going to make some obscure reference to it or something. Yeah. So, listeners, I think you can probably already tell how we feel about this trailer. So. Yeah, it wasn't anything awesome. June 29th.

I will post a trailer on the Facebook page and everything. So go check it out. Thank God. Thank God. on to another amazing trailer yeah darkness rains starings it did look half bad Zachary mooran linar Washington and caspar bandine as himself why

it's already it's already got an unfortunate name it's going to fall into obscurity 10 minutes after we watch it because of the 50 other movies named Darkness something. Oh, boy. I mean, it looked like a good time. I'll watch it. Yeah.

Yeah, it just looked like one of those found footage. This will be on Netflix or Amazon. Probably Amazon. I'll check it out. Yeah, directed by Andrew P. Jones. I believe he worked on, what is the movie that Bert Reynolds

is in? Smoking. That I've been hearing. Oh, newer movie. The last movie star. Diggler. They were talking about it on the binge cast, the last movie star.

Magnum P.I. Is he doing a remake of Magnum P.I? You know what? There is a TV show coming out. Not to get off topic, but... We may as well. What is that? I'd buy that for a dollar.

What is the dude from Suicide Squad that was the fire guy? Jay Hernandez. Yeah, he's Magnum P.I. How is this guy going to fit another roll under his belt? He's in like 17 movies a year, dude. He is the new Magnum P.I. Oh, wow. Wow.

Okay. All right. Well, could be good, man. A little disappointed I saw like a still from the TV show. He does not have the mustache. Oh, then forget it. He's not magnumpy I without the stash. Why would you be?

Darkness rains. Darkness rains. All right. And that is it. All right, Phil. As usual, it's up to you to bail us out, dude. Ryan Stevens says, exactly what does this have to do with horror, sir?

I can get on board with this, provided Disney doesn't ruin Han Solo, the way they did in episode 8 but I can't really blame you for that and Adam Blanche says oh it looks horrible oh yeah well

hey we gotta throw some pop culture in there every once in a while fucking Star Wars you gotta watch that let's see regarding cargo hey there we go Denny Louis says The Art Callie movie? Art loves is cargo shorts. There's nothing wrong with that.

No, they all know. I plan to wear cargo shorts all week in Chicago, guys. You can put a lot of stuff in those pockets on the cargo shorts, guys. They're functional, man. Very functional. Low maintenance. Yep. Let's see.

Brian created a poll. It says, Would you be interested in the Evil Dead universe to continue without Bruce Campbell? so far the no ways outweigh the yeses oh come on most of our listeners seem

ready to let the evil movie was good and Bruce Ken was in it and we probably should have brought up in news I guess there was a tweet that Bruce Campbell

hinted there might be other I guess how he put the incarnations of the series right so I don't know if we'll get a spinoff show another movie I heard a video

game or something. Oh, that would be awesome. Yeah, I would love a video game with the success of the Friday of the 13th game. Yeah. Dude, imagine a virtual reality walking dead video game. Oh. That'd be super cool and scary as hell. Hell yeah, dude.

And think about all the things you could do with it, because you could actually have the Necronomicon and you could use your hands like the VR gloves to open the pages and stuff like that? That would be cool. Yeah, didn't it seem like that'd be awesome? Yeah, except I don't want like a corpse asshole on my head. Not even a virtual one, huh?

Yeah, it was funny to watch. Probably not so funny to be in. I just thought of the Spurbanx scene. Oh, no. Just dodging left and right. We're dodging like a motherfucker. Dip. Duck, dive, dodge.

Man, if they're not working on this right now, guys, we need to. All right, regarding the confirmed Boba Fett movie, Ryan Stevens said, not Ryan Johnson? Good. I'm glad that piece of shit doesn't spell his name the same side. Oh, come on, Ryan. Yeah, I get some hate, man. I guess I can see both sides of it.

I don't think he's a piece of shit though. No, I'm still excited about the trilogy that he's coming out with, depending on what it's about. No more solo movies. Just leave that shit alone. I'm a Ryan Johnson fan. I mean, am I the only one who is? I guess everybody thinks he's kind of, once they give him it some money to work with, he kind of fucks it up. Brian, is that the general consensus?

Yeah, but. I don't have no problem with him either. You know, I like the last Star Wars movie, so I'm fun. Me too, but I can see where people are coming from. And that's probably the first time I've said that. Right. Let's see. Samantha Bean.

So the Star Wars Christmas special, aka Happy Life Day, is an absolute must for us every year. We caught it three years ago when Facebook was streaming it live from some fan page. It was so absurd and insane that we fell in love with it. It's like an acid trip without the acid and a dash of PCP and cocaine. Oh, wow. That sounds like a good time. Something that bad is too good not to revisit once a year. I don't know what you're talking about, but it sounds exciting.

You've never seen the Christmas special? Oh, the old, okay, I know what you're talking about. I've never watched it. Really? Oh, it's on Facebook. Or not Facebook. It's on YouTube. I got to check it out.

Maybe we should do it for our Christmas show. Yeah, I'm down. Brian? Yeah, definitely. Unless they come out with a Medea Christmas. Well, which, of course, we have to watch that. I mean, it's going on the docket, obviously. Can't quit now.

Yeah, Brian. I quit so long ago. Regarding, hey, this is the one you talked about, Lance, regarding handjob cabin. Eric Hammond Gilbert, Eric King, Ammon Gilbert says needs to review this one. Eric said Amman Gilbert needs to review it. Oh, there you go. Tell us the backstory on that one, Brian. Oh, Hand Job, why Amman should review it?

Yeah, why do you think Eric thinks Amman should review it? Well, if you listen to the binge, if you ever heard his This Is Us weekly reviews, he can make anything sound amazing in his reviews. I will never watch This Is Us. I don't need to because I just hear his episode by episode reviews and they are amazing. That'd be let down if you watch the show. Yeah, trust me, you would be. my wife watches it, so pretty much means I watch it. Sometimes.

All right. Hang on a second. I lost my page. Let's see. Regarding the new poster for Meg. Eric Bilanach says, How many downers is this bitch on not to notice a three-story shark fin behind her? Also, how the fuck far out did she float to be in deep enough water for this shark to be there?

Good question. Good question, man. I don't know, man. I'm telling you, some dude on the beach a couple weeks ago pulled in like a five-foot. I mean, obviously, this is a lot bigger than a five-foot shark. But, like, from the beach fishing pulled in a five-foot black tip. Oh, wow. Scary as shit.

Well, let's see. That'll get you thinking, won't it? Next time you go out there? Yeah, I'm still excited about this movie. Sharks have always freaked me out. Ryan Stevens says, pretty sure it's a bad sign when I'm watching a horror film and keep thinking hey pretty cool soundtrack for the Strangers Pray at night

Brian you had something to say about that right Brian yeah especially for that movie the soundtrack is way better than actual movie well that was when they just threw in 80 shit for it to be popular because that's what's going on right now right well hey that movie is allegedly available now so

I might have to check it out just just for that reason alone you know one more because one bad movie just made me think of another bad movie. Our fears are going to happen. Our nightmares are going to happen. We are going to get another insidious movie because insidious, the last key, is the highest grossing insidious movie. How does that happen?

Wow. Because people don't know what a good movie is, I guess. I don't know. That's insanity. That's pretty bad. Well, that should suck a lot. Pretty bad. Regarding the Killer Clowns, 30th anniversary,

Darren Wilson says, I love this movie so much, and it was the first time I heard the Dickies. You know, you know, the original Killer Clowns from Outer Space? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That must be a pretty good DVD release,

because a lot of people have told me they've bought that. Brian, did you pick it up? uh the movie yeah the new one uh the new one they just put out yeah wasn't it uh like you was 30th anniversary didn't they come out with like a new uh blue ray with a whole lot of extras yeah i got it i haven't cracked it open it's from uh arrow arrow put it out so and yeah yeah classic movie yeah wish we could just uh drive drive out there to your place and and watch it man yeah that would be cool that'd be a long drive but...

Right. Somebody gas up the jet. Right. Sure. The horror returns jet, huh? Yeah. We're going to start a crowdfund page or something. That'd take a lot of crowdfunding, man.

Let's see. Regarding Jason Mamoa and the director, Corin Hardin, leaving the Crow reboot. Stephen Loblad says it would have been trash anyway. And Jordan Bibby said, If you see it happen miles off, this will never get made. And, yeah, I kind of expected that to happen too. Right. I don't think it'll ever get made, and I'm kind of okay with that.

That's it for feedback this week. Thank you to everybody who reaches out to us. As always, you can reach us at the horror returns at gmail.com or catch us on any of the social medias. Don't forget, we're still running. the contest, so be sure to give us a five-star rating on iTunes and get a t-shirt or a coozy whenever we get those made. We're going to make it happen.

Well, there's no need. You know what? I'm going to go in a little rant here now. Uh-oh. Because we know you guys are listening to the show. Our download numbers have doubled. As we said a few weeks ago in the last six months, they've doubled. So, and we've got a Facebook page is now

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Look, if you don't have iTunes I know it takes a few minutes to go in there and do it If you don't have iTunes, send us a fucking email that we can read on the air. Oh, yeah. We really want to get these coosies out, and frankly, we're ready to go. I've got the budget lined up and everything. I just haven't gotten them printed because we haven't had any entries.

Brian, maybe you can help me out here, dude. I'm flailing here. I need some help. Don't yell to the listeners. You know what I can. Brian, usually you're the one who comes up with some great contest and shit. Help me out here, dude. Give us something these people can do to get involved.

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and stuff, iTunes will kind of put us out there for more people to listen to. Help me. Help you. Exactly. And as far as giving out stuff, I'll give out some Blu-rays. I got some Blu-ray. here to give out. I've been holding

on to them, but I will throw them in there with Lance, we can do a package deal. All right. That sounds good, man. We can put a Blu-ray together with a T-shirt or a beer cozy. We'll have to come up with something cool for that. Can't beat that. Yeah.

Well, yeah, man, that's about it, guys. Listen to us and leave us a review and join our Facebook group. Anybody's free to join. Just, you know, comment on some of the stuff that we put out. And it's a fun time, man. We've got a great Facebook page. And thank you for getting us this far, man.

You guys are awesome. Absolutely. Even if I fuck up your names every week. You'll start getting some really good ones now, I'm sure. For a dollar. All right, fucking A. Well, let's move on to featured attractions. This week, it's Upgrade, the new movie that is directed and written by Lee Wunel.

and the original Robocop from 1987. So we'll start out with, as we usually do, the classic film Robocop. Director was Paul Verhoeven, also known for Starship Troopers. And Philip, can you think of at least one other classic movie this guy's directed? Only because I'm looking at the notes, and I didn't know this. Showgirls. I know, what a shocker, huh? What?

I know. That gives him some street cred. Oh, no doubt, man. It's so weird. You see his other movies like Total Recall and Starship Troopers and all that. And then Showgirls. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. But I don't know.

Showgirls was pretty awesome in its own way, too. It was one of those so bad it's good movies, right? Yeah. Absolutely. She should have been like a stripper superhero. How awesome would that? Strip. Riella?

Yeah. Riders were Ed Newmire and Michael Miner, also known for Starship Troopers and Robocop 2. So the Robocop suit was so hot and heavy that Peter Weller was losing three pounds a day from water loss. Our wives could go for that right now, huh, Phil? Hell, I could go for that right now. Well, eventually it got so hot that they installed an air conditioner unit inside of his suit. God damn, imagine if that thing had caught on fire or something. Oh, yeah, because he's a little dude in the movie.

I forgot how small he was when he first shows up, and that suit makes him look so massive. Pretty intimidating, huh? Yeah, well, probably because it's fitted with an air conditioner. Right. So this screenplay had been offered to and rejected by virtually every big director in Hollywood. would before Verhoeven got hold of it. He threw it away after reading the first pages convinced it was just another dumb action movie. However, his wife, we owe her a lot because she read it all the way through and convinced

him that the story was layered with many satirical and allegorical elements, after which Verhoven finally decided to direct the film, and as they say, the rest is history. There it is. So, Phil, I figured this is probably your kind of movie, man, am I right? Oh, yeah, dude. This has a nostalgia factor on top of everything. It was great to go back and rewatch this one, man. I'd forgotten how much of a classic it was.

I haven't watched it in forever. It's just kind of a fun action superhero movie. It's like playing Doom in God mode, if you remember doing that, you know? Mm-hmm. And I think that they kind of came up. Well, I don't know if they came up with it, but they used the superhero movie formula before, you know, all the Marvel movies and stuff came out. He's just an awesome character, man.

I love him. I love the big prototype machine bad guy falls over and sounds like a little gremlin laying on the ground. Ed 209. Yeah, that was a cool, ass bad guy, man. The thing was intimidating. Well, you know, until the squeaking and baby sounds. but yeah I mean this movie's a classic

you know it's it's definitely 80s but it's it's really fun 80s I didn't I didn't care that it was a little bit dated what'd you think Brian this is one of those classic movies for me

I was I am a huge fan of this movie as a kid it blew my mind because it was so violent and it still kind of blows my mind that we was getting, that was allowed to watch something like this because I remember seeing this in the theater. I mean,

everything from, what is that guy, Emil, the guy that gets the toxic waste dumped on him and then he just gets splattered by the car. Oh, that was a crazy scene. That is,

that still holds up. Yeah, definitely. The effects are awesome on that one. Yeah. And Murphy, the whole, the whole, him getting shot up and his hand blown off

and all kinds of stuff. I was like, wow. It's brutal. Yes, it is. And then you got all the other stuff that I, you know, I didn't really understand as a kid, but as an adult, I noticed, you know, all the media influence, capitalism. Oh, absolutely. Privatizing the police and all that kind of stuff. Yep.

So, you know, this movie, as you get older, you know, you kind of just notice new stuff different layers to the movie. It's like an onion. Yeah. Like an ogre. It's got so many. It's got so many catchphrases, you know, Lance, who brought it up earlier, I'll buy that for a dollar. Oh, yeah. The classic Robocop, you're dead or alive, you're coming with me.

Yeah, that's a good one. But something I noticed rewatching it, Peter Weller kind of looks like a cyborg already. Oh, yeah. I don't know if it's that the weight loss you brought up from wearing the suit, but he just kind of has this, I don't know, his face just kind of looks. like he is possibly a cyborg under need. Yeah, he's got like weird sunken in features. Yeah. And it has a ton of people in it.

Ronnie Cox, Kurtwood Smith, he was a badass villain in this, Clarence. Red Foreman. Right. Yeah, a little, and a little fact I read that he is,

his character is molded after, I forgot the guy's name, but the guy was the actual, like, Nazi commander or something. Are you serious? I never really, the glasses and everything, the round frames. No kidding. It's exactly what the guy would have wore.

So that was interesting. Yeah, he was a pretty vicious bad guy. Miguel Ferrer, Ferrer, if I'd say his name right? Yeah, RIP to him. Yeah, he was in, this is Bob. He's a great actor. But the one thing that never held up for me as a child and as an adult was Dick Jones at the end falling, his little claimant.

body falling down at the end. Yeah. It's so bad. They ran out of money. It ran out of money at the end, dude. But overall, go ahead. I was going to say it, I love the way that they, like, they tie in the commercials and stuff that are showing on TV. It's such a cool, like, filmmaking trick.

And I thought it, it fit perfectly and added a little bit of quirk to what would otherwise be just a, a regular action movie, you know? Yes. And you get that in other Verhoven movies, especially like Star Shut Troopers. Right. So I always love that about his movies. But Lance, Robocop.

Verhoven, yeah, Verhoven is, it was one of my favorite directors as I was growing up, high school college those years. And I think he's, is he Dutch? Is that right? I think he's from the Netherlands originally. But, yeah, he was.

I'm from Holland. Yeah. Isn't that weird? There's two things, two things I can't abide. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. But yeah, dude, total recall, like you guys were mentioning, one of my favorite movies of that time period. Classic.

No surprise. This is one of my favorites of the time period. Starship Troopers, bad. ass movie. Didn't he also do basic instinct? Yeah, I guess he did.

I guess you'd call that like a thriller, huh? Like a erotic thriller or whatever? He loves the ladies. Oh yeah. He loves the ladies.

It's probably why he chose to do showgirls, man. He probably had a lot of action going on in the back. I know I read he wanted more nudity in this movie. You know what? Considering how much cocaine

was used in this movie, I have no doubt that it was art imitating life with Verhoeven. I have no doubt whatsoever. Snorting cocaine off of strippers or hookers or whatever. I'm sure there was plenty of cocaine and plenty of sex going on with this guy's movies. But yeah, no, I love this director. Even Showgirls, as horrible as it was, it was still fun to watch. No, yeah.

I think he knew what he was. doing. I really do. I think it was, I think the whole thing, showgirls was an end joke. And I think it was a pay, it was a paycheck for him, but I also think it was a chance for him to kind of like give the middle finger at people's expectations. I mean, even the casting of, what's her name from Save by the Bell. Oh, God. That was crazy. Because, yeah, because you, you thought of her. She was the smart, straight, like, straight lace girl on the show. And this one, she's just a dirty, dirty stripper. Right. Yeah. With everybody.

And of all the chicks from Saved by the Bell is to see naked, she's not the one I would have picked. But. Right. Hey, you got to tell you. I wasn't unhappy with it. Right. I had forgotten how good Nancy Allen is and how much she shows up in a lot of really classic sci-fi and horror movies. Yeah.

I mean, she's been a favorite. She's been on our radar since Carrie, for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's got quite a body of work. And, you know, Ronnie Cox and Ray Wise, dude, I totally freaking forgotten that Ray Wise was in this movie. You know, and these guys are legends. You guys talked about Kurt Wood Smith, Miguel Ferrer, poor guy. You know, he definitely died before his time.

But do you guys remember him in the TV version of Stephen King's The Stand? slightly yeah he was really good in that one man he was uh he was the dude that he wasn't the walking dude himself but uh he was he was kind of like the main the main dude that uh that the walking dude uh he got him out of prison he kind of supernaturally helped him escape and uh he had him kind of run Vegas for him

where all the where all the bad guys were and for the for the showdown like they're redoing They're redoing it, I think. Brian, didn't you say they're coming out with a new version of the stand? Yeah, I think it's going to be a new TV miniseries. Okay. I'm looking forward to it. I hope it's Netflix.

Yeah, hopefully Netflix or something where they're not, you know, shackled. But even this one, which was on network TV, I thought was really damn good. And I thought Ferrer was a big part of that. But, yeah, no, I just think Verhoeven, always knows exactly what he's doing and I don't think he takes himself too seriously and I think his movies are a lot of fun

this one's no exception but at the same time I mean I think his wife definitely was on to something because if you if you read this script it you guys are right it's saying a lot about society and eerily accurate

predictions on a lot of things wouldn't you guys agree I mean have we not sunk down to, I'll buy that for a dollar TV pretty much at this point with like these reality shows and bullshit like that. Pretty much.

Except I'm sure that guy would have already gotten sued. And then, and just look at the whole thing in the movie about old Detroit and New Detroit. Yeah. Because it was not that crazy when the movie was made, but Detroit

is, you know, a wasteland now. And I would assume Phil, considering where you grew up, that you realized that that city they were filming in was not Detroit. Oh, where is it? Dude, you didn't recognize your hometown? Is it Dallas? Yes.

Oh, check that out. Absolutely, man. Yeah, it's famously filmed in Dallas as a substitute for Detroit for whatever reason. It's probably cheaper to film there or something like that. Maybe it was easier to get the cocaine there because there's so much closer to the border. Yeah. Cartel. But yeah, dude, Robocop, man, this is a fucking classic.

There's no two ways about it. And, yeah, it's, Brian, I'm glad you decided to pair this one with Upgrade. They go pretty well together, although I think that we'll talk about, we're definitely going to talk about another movie that you kind of hit on in the news section that's not happening, that the original reminded me a lot more of upgrade, really, if you think about it. But we'll talk about that later. but yeah, fucking A, Robocop. What's not to like?

Scores. Yeah. Who's first? What do you think, Brian? Okay, I'll go first. This is 9.5 out of 10. Yeah. Nice.

This movie is a classic. I revisited a lot. Right. This is definitely one of those movies when I was a kid. I just watched it. So I got so into it. I even watched all the shitty sequels and TV. series and uh

i forgot who i was talking to on facebook they just totally reminded me that there was an animated series also so oh wow i don't remember that yeah i barely do it came out of the time when everything had a cartoon yeah right right but um yeah love this movie um

it is a classic it will always be a classic nine point nine and a half out of ten wow don't get too much better than that I'm gonna give it a nine, man. I think it was, it definitely holds up right there with, you know, Terminator and Predator and Total Recall and all those, all those big badass action movies that were coming out at the time. And this is right up there at the top of the heap.

Damn. Well, shit, guys. I mean, what am I supposed to do here? You know, 9.59. Yeah, it's a strong nine. It's a classic, man. Absolutely classic. There's no two ways about it.

And one thing's for sure. I was watching it during my lunch hour at work because I usually, that's why I usually try to check out like a TV show when I'm at work because it's like exactly an hour and I don't have to worry about, you know, going over or rushing, rushing, you know, get clocked back in or whatever. Guys, I'm not going to lie. I kept my office door shut and I watched the whole movie. Yeah.

I couldn't stop. And you know what? It's one that, I think, I think it's, I think it's one that bears, that bears watching over and over again, you know. I just think it gets better, better with age, and it's, it's so awesome the way he predicted so much that it's actually come true, you know? The privatization of law enforcement and all that shit. And it's kind of a cautionary tale, isn't it? You know, we better be careful. The robots are coming.

Yeah, well, if the corporate gurus don't, you know, don't want to get arrested, all they got to do is, is, is, write a little fourth fourth protocol there and they got nothing to worry about right oh but I love that part at the end where he turned and looked at me he said

oh by the way Dick yeah you're fired yeah that was awesome thank you bam great way to take him out all right you guys ready to move on the sci-fi thriller

action horror well you know what a mix call it what you want to call it, but when I fucking saw this movie, I think, Brian, you had us watch the trailer for it a couple of months back. I was all

in, dude. It's like, this is going to be fucking awesome. And then when we found out the director and writer was Lee Winell, I was kind of like, okay, the original saw was really good. You know?

The original saw was good. And then he also did well, the other saws and those insidious movies and oh boy, I was starting to get a little nervous, but it looked fucking fantastic

from the trailer, so I definitely went in with super high hopes. So director and writer Lee Wannell also known for, as we said, Saw and Insidious. This film was originally titled STEM,

and as of the collecting of the trivia, which was yesterday afternoon, the film is doing unexpectedly well with critics. Thus far, as of yesterday, it had been up to an 86% on rotten tomatoes, so that's pretty good. Brian, you want to go first? I think you saw it before we did, right?

You saw it when it first came out? Yeah. Let me say, I like the fact that I brought up all the genres that I think is mixed up with. I think I love that about the movie. I love the world they created, all the technology. Yeah, it's cool. And what gives me hope about the Spahn movie is that this movie was only on a $5 billion budget. Nice.

And they used it. Blumhouse knows how to use their budget well. They did because it doesn't look like a $5 million movie. Yeah, no kidding. I loved all the enhancements to the upgraded people. This movie kind of felt like an extended episode. Soda Black Mirror kind of. Oh, yeah.

I got that same feeling, dude. I didn't think about that. I didn't think about 10 or 15 minutes into it. I like it. And Lance, I think your boy, Dane Dahan is in trouble. I think we have a new Dane Dahan. Whoever this is a guy was, he gave me such a Dane to Han vibe. Are you serious?

He gave me it. I thought I was watching Vennon. No, no, no, no, no, no. The doctor guy. Oh. Lone-haired dude. Oh, okay, I got you. Okay.

Yeah, that makes sense. No, not Tom Hardy's doppelganger, no. I'm with you. Okay. But for all that being said, I was slightly disappointed because I felt like I've seen most of the good stuff in the trailer. Yeah, I can see that. There are some bad ass fight scenes in it, but the best one showing the trailer. Yeah.

I thought the plot twist. one of the plot twists, we'll get to it later, was kind of predictable. Mm-hmm. I thought the acting was fine from everybody. It's just that we didn't get, we didn't get time to even know these characters,

so it's just kind of, I don't know. I didn't care when anybody died or... It felt like a rest job, didn't it? Yeah, but for the most part... Done a little more world building. It was a cool world to watch now. For the most part, I enjoyed it.

I had fun with the world they created. Yeah, me too, man. I thought it was a really fun movie. There's definitely some plot holes in it, which we'll get to in spoilers because I have some questions. And, you know, they didn't take me out of the movie too much, but there was a couple of times where I was like, wait, but that doesn't make sense. I like the acting. I thought it was pretty good. This fake Tom Hardy guy,

there's something about him that I can't decide whether I like him or if he kind of annoys me a little bit. Some of his little quirks are just, and I think it's on a personal level. I don't think it had anything to do with his acting. It was just some of his quirks are slightly obnoxious to watch. Okay. And let's see.

was super gory. And I thought that that was pretty cool. I didn't expect that. There was a, one of the death scenes, which we'll get to in spoilers, I'm sure. It kind of made me jump back for a second. I was like, oh, like audibly did that in the theater. And the effects I thought were really good. And, you know, like you said, you had some some great fight scenes in it. even though like I said that one that you see in the trailer is definitely the best one it's also the longest one the rest of the fight scenes are just kind of real fast and I wish they'd maybe done a little more of that and more of the whole world building there's eyes watching you everywhere because that was I feel like a creepy aspect that they could have tackled there's a lot in this movie that could have made it great and I wish maybe they gone a couple of different directions with it, and we could have had a really cult classic hit on our hands. But having said that, like I said, I really did have fun with it. I thought it was a good movie.

It had me pretty glued to the screen. Right. Yeah, you guys put it just this exact way I'm thinking. I mean, the world building was awesome. I loved seeing the, I thought the car that it. that his wife drove was just fucking amazing. Yeah, that was a cool. That's on point, because I think cars will be like that within 10 or 15 years.

Probably more than half the cars on the road. I think if you want to drive a car, you'll, like, old school like he was, where you like to, you know, work with your hands and feel the horsepower and feel the steering wheel and all that. I actually love that aspect. And I, Phil, this dude didn't, he didn't irritate me at all, man. I really like the performance that he gave, man. I thought he was just kind of like an every man, you know? Yeah, I love the badass mechanic character that he played, you know.

Oh, he sold me on it, dude. He sold me hookline and sinker. I was like believing everything, especially early on in this movie. But I will say that the first 20 minutes of this movie had me hooked and had me riveted to my seat and I was thinking, okay, this is probably going to be a top five. I was honestly thinking 20 minutes into this thing that this was going to be a top five for me by the end of the year. And then you had the one little plot hole. And then you had another little plot hole. And then the whole thing started falling apart. And then it feels like they just made shit up on the

fly by the end of this thing. Man, nothing made any sense to me. Yeah, I can see that. But it just fucking completely fell apart. Now, that being said, I enjoyed the first part so much that there's no way my score is going to be, you know, lower than 50-50. You know, it's definitely going to be more good than bad, but not by much, man, because the script was just so bad. It's so poorly written, man. And the movie that I was referring to, and I think I can say this spoiler-free, but a lot of the elements of this movie really reminded me of The Crow.

And that was actually the part that I really liked. And I thought it was just going to be a straight-ahead revenge flick. And when it turned into something kind of different and made a left turn, I was like, no, you didn't have to do that. That's not really the kind of movie that we need here, you know? I was enjoying it so much the way it was going, you know. Twist and turn themselves around backwards. To where it made no sense.

You know, at least to me. I don't know. I enjoyed it more than I didn't for sure. I'm looking forward to seeing this dude in some other roles. There's no doubt about that. I thought that they had, you know, I thought some of the villains were pretty despicable, which is cool.

You know, anytime they can make you really hate the villains. Collins. The Dane Dahan guy, as you were referring to, Brian, was pretty much as bad an actor as Dane Dahan. He didn't bother me. I thought he worked in this movie. Really? It bothered me. Yeah, kind of. But the special effects were fucking awesome, especially on a $5 million budget. But I thought it was really believable. Whoever did like the set design and the SFX, man, especially on that budget, wow.

You know, there's, there's some bright, there's some bright futures for some of these people involved in a lot of movie, but, uh,

a lot of practical effects. A lot of practical effects and a lot of good digital effects that were pretty well-in. Um, but yeah, Wanell, I'm sorry, guys,

he just, he doesn't do it for me, man. No, first saw was pretty clever, but after that, uh, what were you going to say,

Brian? Uh, I had a question. Do you think, that maybe he should have just wrote this movie and maybe the director could have took what he written and kind of made it into something more than what it was? Well, I don't know, man. I mean, like, who would you have in mind to direct this? I don't know.

It's just kind of thinking because you're mentioning the plot holes. Maybe he couldn't really see it being both writer and director. Yeah. Because he just thinks, you know what I mean? Maybe somebody, I don't have anybody in mind, but someone with a different. Maybe the John Witt guys or somebody like that? Yeah, somebody. Somebody.

Oh, that could have been cool. Hmm. Yeah, this had potential to be John Wick cool. Right. It just didn't quite get there. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. For me, story fell flat, but, you know, I'm still glad I went, you know.

Yeah. Our movie pass as of yesterday is still scanning and still getting us into the movie. So, you know, can't argue with that. Keep your ticket stub, though. I had a moment where I took a picture of the ticket stub because that's what they have you do afterwards now. And the app, like, crashed on me. And I didn't find out until a few days later when I tried to open it again, that it didn't take that ticket stub. Fortunately, I had put it in the shelf at home just in case.

Yeah, I like how if you don't take the picture, they'll just cancel your account. Well, granted, though, Philip, didn't you say they give you a couple of times where you can, you know, benefit of the doubt, where you say, well, I took it blue way in a high wind or I forgot to save it and take a picture or something like that. Don't they give you two, Phil? I think they give you one fuck up and then the next one you're out. Yeah. Oh, boy. There was a fucking ice cream man that just came by our house. here. Middle and nowhere. It's like dark outside.

Wow. Hey, Galveston, Texas, man. Yeah. All right, guys. Scores? Yeah. I'll give it a seven. I liked it. I liked it. I liked the world. Lance, you said it, great special effects, great practical effects. The acting was okay. It's just the story was lacking. So, seven out of ten. Yeah. I, uh, I, uh, I, uh,

I had to really think about this score because I wasn't really sure what to think about it when I walked out of the theaters. There was like there's a whole lot of pros and some cons. And after sitting about it and thinking about it for a couple of days, I'm going to give it a 7.5, man. I really had a good time. And I'd totally be up for watching this movie again. Yeah? How about if they did some sequels, man? Would you be interested in that?

Yeah, I think so. maybe with a bigger budget or something? With somebody else writing it, yeah. Yeah, well, and they could give you more into that world because I think it was, they set everything up so cool, but they didn't really show you a ton of it. Yeah, it might be cool because you might get the character, what was his name, Gray?

Right, yeah. You might get him as kind of a villain-type character in the sequel, because of the way the movie, I don't, not going to spoil it, but the way it ended could go that way. Anybody who's seen the trailer knows that it could go any number of ways or anyone who's seen any of these types of movies. Yeah.

So you think it may be so, any more like a Jordan Peel or somebody like that? Give it a better spin, maybe? I don't know if this is his type of movie to do. Yeah. I'd say focus more on the action, too. Oh yeah, good point Instead of

Instead of the couple of big fight scenes that they telegraphed in the In the trailer add like more to it Yeah, I like your idea with the John Wick guys Because they also tell a pretty good story With the John Wick movie, so Yeah, not a bad thought Well, I definitely, like I said, I liked it more than I didn't like it So for me, it gets a six, you know

So That's fair Yeah, we all do recommend that you check it out, especially if you have movie pass. Yeah, it's fun. You won't be disappointed. Yeah, I'll never watch it again, you know, unless there's absolutely nothing else on, which is impossible in this day and age. But I'm not mad. I'm not mad.

Yeah, definitely not mad that I watched it. So about those spoilers, guys. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. you've been fucking warned this is a motherfucking spoiler alert

you've been fucking warned all right I will start it off the one thing that really I kind of thought I was going to watch a movie that was just hardcore graphic from watching the Red Band trailer

like there are scenes where he's interrogating the one well STEM is interrogating the one guy and he cuts up his face yes you didn't see him cut up his face and then when you and then when you cut to

his face, or I don't want to say cut to his face go to his face. It didn't really look how it sounded. I know. I thought he was like popping eyeballs out and shit. Yeah, and I thought like his, maybe like half his face was gone or something or I just, I don't know.

And then the scene where the the main guy, he was fighting at the end the guy that looked like a pedophile. Oh, geez. Yeah. That whole it was a brutal death, but I kind of thought it was just going to be more graphic. Mm-hmm. And my wife, she wanted to... I would have seen a cooler fight scene on that one.

Yeah, she wanted to go, she really wanted to go see this movie, and she couldn't make it. Oh, no. And I kind of told her it wasn't, it wasn't how the trailer made it seem as far as the violence. Mm-hmm. And she's kind of tapped out. Ah, it's worth of watch. Yeah. He definitely has some cool action.

And yeah, that scene where he kills that dude and, like, cuts his head in half. Wow. Right. That was awesome. Oh, that was cool. He pulled back on him. And, uh, yeah, that was the best kill. So, yeah, you're right, Brian.

It got all the really good shit out of the way, like, in the first 20 or 30 minutes. But there was some cool shit, like, all the, the villains, I love their little guns built into their hands. Uh, yeah. hands and how they loaded them. Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. I thought that was a little silly. I didn't see the reason for that. I guess they're saying they're like mutants or upgraded.

I guess they're all upgraded. A new, yeah, the new race of people, the upgraded. And I like the main villain guy. He had the nanobots that he would, he would, that were in his spit or whatever in his breath. Oh, that was pretty cool, man. Yeah, that was pretty cool. It was a goofy way to do it, but I like the effect.

So, one of the, what about that car chase scene, man? I thought that was kind of boring as far as car chases go. Boring car chase scene. Yeah. She should have been dead. And I feel like they probably used a lot of the budget on that. And it was totally an unnecessary scene. Right.

Not to mention, while he was driving, and even a couple of other times, Stim had like already taken over his body completely and uh i thought it was stem driving and then it's at one point stem goes you're going to have to do this on your own well yeah and uh i'm like what because the car's not electronic i'm like you you're controlling his body what do you mean he has to do it on his own he's made no sense supposed to be not wanting to do this and you're you're making him do it and he has no choice because they had that line where he's not able to read his mind or anything. So it kind of like, how do you know he's a great driver or anything? Yeah. Yeah, that too. You're just assuming he is. And then, like, there was one point where he's, uh, you know, he's, he's, he's let Stim take over again and Stim's kicking everybody's ass. And, uh, like, he's, he's running up the stairwell and Stim tells him to turn left or something. Like, why did you just tell him to turn left if you've got control of his body? Was that? I mean, they did that like three or four times, and I was like...

Yeah, kind of like overly telegraphed everything, like we're a really stupid audience or something. Well, it was just where STEM was supposed to be in control, and then they kind of went back and forth from STEM being in control to STEM not being in control, all in the same... Making your mind. Yeah, all in the same five-second period. That sort of took me out of it a little bit. Yeah.

What did you guys think about the very ending, the kind of dark end? That almost saved it for me. I really, I really liked that. It kind of did for me because I, I knew the one guy was involved, the blonde dame de Hawn. Right. Yeah, you knew who's a guy from the beginning. Yeah, I was like, I see. Because, you know, why did he show up to the hospital to help him?

Because he fixed, built a car for you. It's very generous of you. But then when it turned out that he was just following STEM's order, I was like, oh, okay. that's a lot better for me. Yeah, but then it was like, all of their conversations at the beginning of the movie suddenly like didn't make a whole lot of sense anymore if STEM had control of the company or control of this guy or whatever. Right.

Like he was doing it against his will, but I mean, he obviously wasn't at the beginning. And then he made it seem like that at the end. I don't know. Like that was those twists. I think they just came up with out of nowhere at the end. And they almost went dream sequence. And I was like I was like about to just get up

and walk out. I was like, oh, don't fucking do that. Now I'm thinking of another scene that kind of just threw it off because okay, he's following STEM's order through this whole movie. Right. So is he trying to shut him down on purpose when he's

hacking in to remote shut him down or whatever it was? I don't know. I think like you should have. Should have shut him down before that if he knew that STEM was this monster and he's going to come and kill everybody. Yeah. So I don't understand. Was that him purposely trying to shut him down or was that STEM trying to make it seem like he was trying to shut him down? I don't know. Yeah.

See, they left some questions. What were you saying, Phil? Oh, yeah. I was just saying that, yeah, I mean, it just leaves a lot of open-ended questions that they didn't. really answer. Like you were saying, I think they just came up with all the twists just kind of on the fly. They were like, ah, this movie needs something else

at the end. Let's do some different things. I wouldn't be surprised if there were alternate endings to this. There probably was. And I just really didn't care about some of the characters. You know, that's fucked up. His wife got killed, but

you didn't get, you know, you didn't really get to know her. The, the what is her name? I can't think of the actress's name. The one that played the detective. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've seen her and stuff before. There were no, like, superstars in this movie.

Yeah, she was in Get Out. She was the one, she was the maid or the whatever. Okay. But when she got shot in this, I was just like, uh, who, yeah, when she got shot out at the end, I was like, oh, who cares? Right. You didn't really do nothing during a movie. Yeah, I wasn't super, super upset when the cop died.

No, I did feel a little something when the wife died, especially once he was like a, you know, paraplegic or whatever. Right. And like his mom was helping him and he couldn't do anything and he was just, you know, sitting there and thinking about everything and just kind of starts crying. Mm-hmm. I thought that was a great scene, man. That showed some depth from this guy. I agree. I agree.

I like that as well. He did do well because you guys brought up other parts of his acting, but I thought he, he did really good when he's playing paralyzed, you know, the way he moved and the wheelchair, the way he would just move his head and the way he, just the way he acted, I thought was really good. Very, very believable. I think there were a couple of times when he sort of like, he sat up a little too far to be a quadruple of L.J.C. Oh, when he's laying on the bed? Well, he's laying on the bed and when he's in the chair, there's a couple of time he like leans forward.

and I'm like, okay, that takes some back muscle to do that. Yeah, there was a scene. There was a scene when the detective was questioning him while he was laying in bed. Uh-huh. And he just kind of sat his head up to say something to her. And I was like, your head is way far off that pillow. Yeah. So.

Hmm. I got some neck muscles. That didn't take me out of it. I didn't really pay attention to that too much. Yeah. It's just some little things, you know. Oh, yeah. And there's a lot of little nitpicky things.

Right. I think that that was, like, I don't even know if I'd so much call them plot holes, although some of them are. But, yeah, some of the stuff is just little nitpicky things. Well, it was no Robocop, guys. It was no Robocop. But, yeah, I think we've probably spent enough time on this one, right? Yeah. I suppose so.

It's good, though. Go check it out. Yeah. Worth watching, but definitely no Robocop. So we had a classic movie this week and then a not so classic, so hopefully next week we'll have two really good ones

but we definitely want to thank you guys for all listening to another episode of the horror returns. As we said earlier, and of course Ikeed, Ikeed. You're not, you know, we love you guys. You know, whether you give us reviews or not.

But if you give us reviews, we love you more. Well, all kidding is. side, if you're not in a position to review, definitely send us an email. That's what we really love to get as well-thought-out emails, because we want you guys to direct the show. You know, we don't want to just kind of sit here in a vacuum and put stuff out there.

We definitely want the feedback. So do not forget to reach out to us at the Horror Returns at gmail.com. Brian, where else are we now? we are of course Facebook Instagram Twitter I'm trying to figure out

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we try and next week we're going to have a special guest if you guys remember the second annual March Madness show one of our guest Thomas Mariani is he's going to be back and he's got a new podcast to promote. I was actually listening to the first episode today. It's called Double-edged Double Bill and double-edged because they've got a really good movie that they review and then a piece of shit.

That's funny. Yeah, and the two movies, the way they were picking them was kind of interesting. I'll have to ask them how they came up with this idea, but I think one of them, like the two hosts, One of them picks a number between one and ten. And whichever one they're closest to, I think they have certain movies written down on a scale or something like that. Whichever one they're closest to they pick. So this first one they did the shitty movie they did was Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance. Oh, that is shit.

Yeah, that's too bad to watch. The only thing good about it is Nick Cage goes full Nick Cage in that movie. Right. No playing around on that one, right? No. All right. Well, we're looking forward to next week because, as you guys recall, one of my honorable mentions for top ten straight horror movies of all time was The Legacy. You guys remember me talking about that one?

Yes, I'm very interested. I've never seen this. I'm very interested in watching. Yeah, me too. All right. Well, cool. We're going to cover that. Now, this one I'm really looking forward to.

I don't know about you guys. but hereditary. It looks cool. I hope it is not being overhyped. Well, we'll find out soon enough. Scarious movies since The Exorcist, they better deliver. Yeah, that line scares me. Uh-oh.

Didn't realize they were saying that. It's in the trailer. Okay, well, we'll hope for the best. And prepare for the worst. Prepare for the worst. Brian, until the horror returns again. Good night.