The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #106: The Legacy (1978) & Hereditary (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: August 27, 2023

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Hi, my name is Christina Elise. I played Kyle and Child's Play 2 and you are listening to The Horror Returns. Greetings, victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Back everybody to the horror returns. I'm Lance and with me as always are my co-host Philip and also Brian.

and joining us tonight for the first time since our March Madness episode is our friend Thomas Mariani. Thomas, you got something new going on, something new going on, double-edged, double bill, right? What's that all about? Yes, that's my new podcast that I do with Adam Thomas. You might have recognized me from some of the porn news, radio, groups, and magazine-related podcasts. I'm not doing those anymore, but I am doing this new double-edged, double bill, which the basic premise is, Adam and I have a topic for each week, and we both come to the table with two movies that we don't know the basic, beyond that, you know, basic topic. We don't know what the two choices are.

And we pick a number between one and ten. And one of us has two good movies. One of us is two bad movies. And so we seal our fates with that. Let me give you an example. Let me get a volunteer. Yes, you, Mr. Langford, pick a number between one and ten. Eight.

All right. You choose number eight, which is closest to number. Number seven, which for our topic of heist films, which was our most recent episode we just put out, is heat, which was the good movie that we did. That's a good one. Okay. Yes. And then now pick another number between one and ten. Let's go with three this time. All right. Number three, that was closest to number two, which was the classic heist film Mordecai, which we did as our bad. That sounds fun. I like watching bad movies sometimes. Sometimes.

I never even check this one out, Thomas. I haven't either. Oh, it's so much fun. I didn't even know it was a ICE, I didn't even know it was a ICE movie. So much what? It's mostly a Johnny Depp has a mustache movie because that's most of the things. Oh, yeah, it's a mustache. Look how awful his mustache is.

That's most of the jokes. That's terrible, man. So great, I know, right? So does the mustache move across his face in different scenes? You know, I'm not going to spoil things for you. You have to dredge through that to find out. Oh, wonderful. All right.

Well, we appreciate you joining this, man. So since you're our guest, we want to ask you first, other than the two features that we checked out for the show, what's the coolest thing you've seen this week, man? Right before I saw Hereditary, our big feature of the evening, I saw a movie called First Reformed, which is the new Paul Schrader film, starring East. Ethan Hawk. And basic premise, it's a sort of drama thriller about a priest who is sort of going through a crisis of faith. It's very much sort of like a mixture of a taxi driver, which Schrader wrote and Last Temptation of Christ, which you also wrote. And it's about him kind of coming to terms with a follower of the church who is a very much like an environmentalist guy who is worried about all like the obvious like immediate issues that are going on right now. And he tries to kind of resolve and try and find excuses for getting a around that, but he ends up kind of sinking lower into a depression, especially when he encounters some corrupt people within sort of the church atmosphere, including

a phenomenal performance that surprised me from Cedric the Entertainer as the, I know, as the main priest of like a sort of like over-the-top corporate church that I found fascinating. It's a great movie, I'd recommend.

Like I said, not as horror-driven, though there is a thriller angle to it that I won't spoil that actually gets you really tense throughout the whole movie. It's one of my favorites of the year. It's another A24 film the same people who released Hereditary. And there is gore in it, though it's more in that taxi driver kind of way

where it's more realistic and grounded, but it's fucked up when it happens. I love this movie. I would definitely recommend it, though, like I said, it's pretty heavy. The subject matter pretty depressing. So double feature with that and hereditary, feel good double feature of the year. Sounds like it.

So you're in for a good night, huh? Oh, yeah. So much. But yeah, first reformed from writer-director Paul Schrader. Is it anything, have you ever seen the Irish film Cavalry that came out a few years ago? No, that's the Ben Wheatley movie, right? I don't think Ben Wheatley directed it. I'm not really sure. Who was it? Was it? Brendan Gleeson was in it and Chris O'Dowd. Okay. You know what? I think it was the same director that did three billboards.

man. No, I'm way off. Oh, Martin McDonald? No, John Michael McDonnell. I'm looking, I'm actually looking up now. I'm cheating. Oh, that's his brother, actually. That's the, he's the brother who did the, oh, God, the guard with Brendan Gleason, which is a great film as well, yes. Yeah.

Yeah, that's, it's a pretty, pretty heavy movie, man. I was just curious if you'd, if you'd seen it and if there was a similar, it sound like there might be a little similarity to what you're describing. No, I have not seen that one, myself. Does it have Cedric the entertainer? Because this one does. By the way, is Chris Cedric Kiles. He does not go out of the entertainer. Oh.

So is there any comedy in it? Any comedy at all, Thomas, like a few light moments, or is it pretty heavy all the way through? It's pretty brutal. It's pretty heavy. Oh, wow. Okay. One of you guys want to lighten it up a little?

I'll go. I watched the first couple of episodes of Legion. the second season. Okay. I said lighten it up, too. I don't know. It doesn't light. Well, because it's fucking weird.

There's like a dance scene in there. This is a trippy show, man. They have embraced their, um, we made this while we were super high mentality. And, uh, it's, uh, it's interesting. I don't know if it's quite as good as the first season, but, uh, I'm digging it. I, I skipped a couple of days, but I'm, I'm going back in for more. some point in the near future. I also,

to bring it back down, because we are a horror podcast, rewatched Oculus with my wife, and she's never seen it. That's a cool ass movie, man. And you know, that's the same chick that plays Nebula. And, yeah,

Zia didn't know that. Yeah. We started looking it up, and I was like, holy shit, that is her. Great performance. Probably one of her first movies, I assume. And it was good, man. She was scared shitless. Did not sleep well last night.

Freaking out about mirrors and shit. But it was a good movie, man. I recommend it. And it's on Netflix, so go check it out. Cool. I think we all have Netflix. Oh, and hang on. I have one more.

Have you guys seen the Equalizer 2 trailer? I've seen the trailer. Okay. I'm excited. about this movie, man. I don't know how that qualifies as a cool of the week, but I wanted to talk about it. I wasn't really impressed with the first one,

but I'm excited about this one. What do you guys think about it? I love the first movie, so I'm all in on this one. I was disappointed in the first one, but this one looks cool with shit. Yeah, me too. What about you, Thomas? It looks like it'll be a better death wish

movie than one we got this year. Oh, that's very true. All right, I checked out a movie, Thomas, I know you like this one too. Came out a couple years ago. It flew under the radar for me for some reason. Called Southbound. It's

an anthology movie. Oh, I never did watch it. Yeah, I think you're the only one. Brian, you've checked it out, right? I think so. I've stopped on it like 50 fucking times going, should I watch this? Nah, I'll keep looking.

It's pretty original. Thomas, what was your favorite part of it, It's that middle segment That I'll just say one segment Literally gets crashed into by this segment And it's honestly one of my favorite horror anthology segments In any horror movie It's so fucking great

Yeah nice Yeah really creepy Really creepy when he did what he did And then he started hearing both of them laughing Through the cell phone Like he got set up Right that's super vague description of things that happened in the movie Yes I agree with that

I don't want to spoil it. It is a three-year-old movie, but you know. Yes. No, that's true. It's definitely one that deserves to be seen. Even, like, all the segments actually are pretty consistently decent at the very least, but it's so worth watching for just that middle segment alone. Yeah, I liked it.

I kind of liked the way all the segments sort of led into the next one. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, I'd like to definitely would like to see these people make more anthologies. and kind of do a little research and see who all directed the different segments. I know it's producer Roxanne Benjamin, and it's a lot of people who do like the VHS series and stuff like that. Oh, wow. Who produced this one, yeah.

Cool. Yeah, well, check it out. You guys haven't seen Southbound. I don't know where it is. Let's just say I got it on iTunes. We'll leave it at there. All right, Brian, what did you check out, man? I've been kind of going through my shutter app.

just kind of picking things out and checked out, uh, no one lives with, uh, Luke Evans. And I can't remember the director's name. He just recently did a downrange and, uh,

he's done Midnight Meat Train. Uh, can't think of his name right now, but it, it was decent. It's one of, it's a WWE Studios film. It's probably one of the more entertaining films that they've done.

Uh, Luke Evans is like a, uh, a, killer or a psychopath or something and basically he gets kidnapped by these people and they just basically kidnapped the wrong person and it was decent it wasn't it wasn't nothing too too special i didn't i didn't really check out the usual 10 films a week so that's probably the best thing i watched this week light light week for you yeah yeah Vince McMahon has got his grubby little hands and

everything done he in fact interesting fact, this is the second WWE studios movie we've talked about, because Oculus is also one. Oh, no kidding. Well, there you go. I would have suspected that. No, no one would. There's no wrestler in it at all. That's Karen Gillen does some shit. I didn't know. Oh, wow. He's going to run for president

next. Don't. Okay. We shouldn't have brought that up. We don't talk politics on the horror returns, man. But you know what we do talk about? We talk about horror headlines,

and those are brought to you by your friendly neighborhood, Brian. What's going on, man? Got anything new this week? Light News Week. Didn't really jot down much because we'd just be rehashing. Same all news. But one thing I want to revisit, we talked about Lauren Cohen that plays Maggie. She's officially leaving after season 9. So that was announced this week. I imagine so is the rest of the cast. Thomas, do you watch The Walking Dead at this point? I stopped at the big cliffhanger at the end of it was season 6, right, before

Spoilers Glenn died, right? Right. That was right around. We're just like, I'm fucking done with the shit. I haven't even seen any of... That's the only bit of Negan I've seen, and I just heard he was kind of disappointing after that anyway, but... I would say so.

Yeah, first episode was kick-ass, though, in the next season where they ended the cliffhanger? I saw that clip, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, oh, you killed somebody you mad. or too little too fucking like that was the downfall I think yeah no dumpster to hide

into that time huh fuck let's see it chapter 2 has finally cast the last member of the losers club and that is Isaiah Mustafa will play

adult Mike and the only thing I recognize him from he was the old spice guy before Terry Cruz. Look at your clown, then back to me. Look at your clown. Then back to me. And finally, some more casting news for Quentin Tarantino's

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Casted quite a few people, but I think the biggest casting was Al Pacino. Al Pacino. This is the Manson family one, right? Yes. Cool. Oh, come on.

I'm sorry about that. That's going to be a loaded cast. No shit. A couple of other names, Emil Hirsch, Dakota Fanning. Oh, wow. Tell me Emil Hirsch is playing Charles Manson. He has to. That'd be great casting, yeah, actually.

That makes sense. I said that like a fucking year ago when they first started talking about that. I was like, man, this would be the perfect guy. You did. You did call it. Yeah. I remember that. Luke Perry cast it. in the movie.

What the fuck happened to him? Is this everybody just like, please revolting me? Please revolt to me. Come on, Quinn, please do it. Fucking Luke Perry. What's the last thing he was in? Shark Nato or some shit?

Oh, man. For some reason, the only thing that pops in my head is fifth element. Where he had that little five-minute scene in the beginning. Oh, yeah, that's right. Give it a cash. Yeah, on that note, not a lot of, So that's it. All right.

Well, Thomas, we're glad you joined us, brother. And we're going to take you down to our little hangout here. We're going down to the trailer park. Brian, what is our first new trailer to talk about this week? We're going to talk about The Girl in the Spider's Web, starring Claire Foy, Sylvia Hoax, Lekeef Stansfield, and Stephen Merchant, directed by Feté Alvarez. What does your guys take on this trailer? I'm curious about it.

I've seen all the different girl with the blank movies with Elizabeth Sallander. And Clarifoy is an interesting choice I wouldn't initially suspect. But I mean, those movies are made what we fall in love with Numi Rapas and then Runei Mara. Honestly, I thought they really stood out in those movies. And this is one that's actually not based on any of the ones that have been previously adapted. So I haven't read the books. So I'm curious to see how this goes. And also, I love the Key Stamfield and most anything.

thing. So I'm down, I think. Yeah, it sounds like a good cast and a good director. I have read all three of the books. And the way that, well, book one is kind of a standalone story, but the way books two and three are written, they're pretty much going to have to make a third movie because book two only tells half the story. So I'm curious if they're going to do that or try to, or try to, you know, cram the whole thing into one movie.

But is this based on those actual books? Because I've heard there are other books in like the Millennium Series that word written by the guy who passed away who actually wrote those. So I don't know is... Yeah, this one actually is the second in the series. Okay. So I would imagine that, because I think the third one is

called the girl who kicked the hornets nest. And those two are tied together. It's basically the same group of bad guys in both books. I smell a cliffhanger coming. Probably so. Marvel style, huh? Yeah.

But I wonder how much they're actually going to reference, like, the Fincher Dragon Tattoo anyway, or if they're going to try and make this also stand alone. There's a lot of questions with how they're going to really connect any of these. That is a very good question, actually, because it's like a completely different cast, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think they were going to, because I think they were trying to get, what is his name, James Bond, Daniel Craig to come back. Yeah. But I think they might be just going in a completely different direction now.

Yeah, they can't even get Daniel Craig to come back for any more Bond movies. think, right? No, he's doing one more. Oh, he's going back for the last one, yeah. Oh, he is. He'll be back, he'll be back for one more, huh? Yeah, they backed up the trucks of money to his house, so one more. Okay. We're sorry for Spector, please. Take so much money, please.

Right. And then Idris Elba finally, or what? Probably not. I'm going to get my wish? Huh? I would love to see that, but I don't think it'll happen. I don't think it will either, but he'd be a kick-ass bond. No, and my luck it'll be. Dane DeHan, right? They'll probably make it a chick.

Ah. Jameson, huh? Yeah. The girl in the spiders web will be in theaters November 9th. Moving on to our next one, which is Susperia,

starring Dakota Johnson, Tilda Swinton, Mia Gauth, Chloe Grace Moretz, and I am not even going to attempt this director's name. Luca. Gagano? Italian.

We'll go with that. French, but also. Interesting. And the most interesting thing to me about this is his previous film was the Multiple Academy Award nominated Call Me By Your Name. Oh. Wow. Ever saw it? A departure?

Well, I really enjoyed Call Me By Your Name. So that's what makes me curious about this, because obviously on paper, doing a Spira remake, bad idea. but honestly, I kind of like that it feels like they're not doing the over-the-top colors, which is a good sign. Try and be different. Don't try and over-emuate what Dario Jenter did. But at the same time, also, you know, it kind of feels like it's going to be a bit more character-focused,

do something really different with it, which I'm all for if you're going to actually remake it. But then again, I think we got the Best of Spear remake, and it was called Black Swan. Oh, okay. Good point. I don't know what to think about this one. I don't think they gave it.

They didn't really give you enough information. It was just kind of a little nibble just to say, hey, we're remaking it. If you were interested in the first one, you'll go see this one just out of sheer force, you know? I'm ready to give it a chance for sure. Thomas, you're talking about call me by your name. I actually saw that a couple of weeks ago, but I see here now that he also directed one a few years ago, a bigger splash. Did you see that one? I have it, but I know about that one. That's the one where

Tilda Switten plays like a David Bowie-style rock star, which sounds like the best casting possible. It's awesome, dude. Perfect cast. She's an interesting person. Very, very interesting. And yeah, a lot of the same cast from that is Dakota Johnson is in that movie as well. And I hate to admit it, but she does some pretty damn good acting, which after having seen a few of her other movies that my wife's

dragged me to the theater to see. If you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, sure, Lance. I don't think, like, I would argue if you watch any of those 50 Shades movie, she's, like, actively fighting to make something talking about it. She's, like, actively trying.

Meanwhile, she's got a block of wood, Jamie Dornan, just like, hey, I'm Michael Hot and stuff. I should take off my shirt now. Oh, man. Oh. Oh, boy. Yeah, I'm ready to give Susperia a try for sure. I'm sure we're going to cover it, right, Brian?

Oh, yeah, it's on the schedule. Awesome. This is also a November release, releasing November 2nd. All right. And moving on to our final trailer we're going to talk about is Halloween starring Jamie Lee Curtis, Judy Greer, Virginia Gardner, Will Patton, and Nick Castle, directed by David Gordon Green. Written by Danny McBride, as well, we should mention.

It's very interesting. Your Highness yourself. Well, I prefer Kenny fucking powers, but yes. But, I mean, I was skeptical about this, especially considering we're just kind of doing H2O, 20 years after H2O. In terms of bringing back Jamie Lee Curtis. but I kind of like the aesthetic of it. I like how they kind of set things up. I like they're being kind of playful about the history of the Halloween franchise,

which is like, oh, that was her brother, right? No, that's something they made up. That isn't real. But also, just the fact that Jamie the Chris is going full, like, I've been training my whole life to kick his fucking ass if he ever shows up again. That's pretty cool, too. And I think it's interesting because they actually kind of pushed the one thing I kind of liked about the zombie movies of the visual aesthetic into,

what seems to be at least a more streamlined, interesting story. I just hope we don't, because we're just repeating the same title, also repeat the same sort of structure. It just becomes a member Halloween 40 years ago, remember this, remember that? I hope they don't quite do that because I worry that might be the case with the trailer. But it's made me even more curious, even considering also just the director and writer team alone makes me just like, I want to see it just for that. I don't know what the fuck they're going to come up with.

And some of the cool visual stuff, like I love the chess bowl. look of like the prison yard. Yeah. I think like that whole sequence looks like it could be really fascinating. And yeah, I'm very curious to see how this goes. Especially because this is Blumhouse taking on

their first sort of like adopted franchise. I got jazz hands about this one, man. I'm fucking excited. It looks so good. I hope it doesn't let me down. Fucking Danny McBride, who would have thunk? Who would have thunk? I know you're excited,

Brian. Oh yeah. And Danny McGrath, he said that he's, you know, before he got into acting and stuff, he always wanted to do, he wanted to be a writer originally. Right. Like horror and fantasy and stuff like that. So fingers crossed. I'm excited. So does this? Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, man. No, go ahead. No, I was just going to ask, does this basically go ahead and retroactively negate every single sequel? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I think so. That's a. what they've intimated with that, which controversial opinion, not the biggest loss.

Really? Dude, after, I mean, two, I don't, you know, I think it's all right. But after that, in terms of the actual continuity ones, I fuck Halloween as a series. Okay. Here's what I think they should do. I think they should make a sequel to the greatest

of all the Halloween movies ever. The most phenomenal, awesome, kick-ass, great story. line. You know, you've, you've got people that have, that have pieces of Stonehenge, and you've got, you've got these masks that these little kids are putting on, and they're listening to the music and the countdown to Halloween. Guys, come on, do a sequel to Halloween 3. It was obviously the best of all the Halloween movies,

right? It's the only tolerable sequel. Yeah. What about Rob Zambi? Oh, we're not going to go there. I figured I'd get a jab in Yeah Well Halloween October 19th And before we move on

The listener feedback Lance you message me You were super excited About the bumblebee trailer No Oh I haven't seen it Oh you asked me if we was going to cover it

Yeah because I figured knowing you It was I mean it's it's quasi superhero Figured we'd cover it for sure It's uh I'll speak on it real quick. I was a little into it. I liked to design a bumblebee. Good thing is Michael Bay is not directing it,

but the thing that just kind of turned me off, I found out it's still set in the same universe. So it's not completely away from Michael Bay. Oh, yeah, I mean, it's definitely, it's still kind of producing on it. But at the same time, it does also seem like they're definitely going with the aesthetic of like, hey, how about instead of loud cooking? coughing this bullshit. We make like a story and have like characters in it, which if anything,

it just looks like a second rate iron giant, which is thousands of steps above what we've gotten previously. So not wrong. And, and you know, I really like to look at bumblebee. You know, he's back to the Volkswagen bug. He doesn't look huge as he does in the Bay Transformer movies. And there's not like a hundred other random transformer. that we don't even know in the movie. So it's got some good points. Wait. Yeah.

And plus the toy, though. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, I was going to say, you mentioned it's not Michael Bay directing. The director is Travis Knight, who previously did Kubo in the Two Strings. Oh, wow. Yes. Of the last several years. That was interesting.

Yes. But the toy, was the toy of Volkswagen? I thought it wasn't a Camero? No Was it a Volkswagen? You mean like originally? I think it was originally, yeah, and I think they're kind of calling back to that.

It puts it makes him a lot more smooth, a lot more kind of friendly and gentle, which is, like I said, he has more character in this trailer than he did in five different fucking Transformers movies. Well, yeah. I just couldn't remember. And one more thing I didn't put on the docket.

Did anybody catch the second Predator trailer that released today? Was it better? Oh, no. The first one at least. A little bit, but I'm going to have to say I'm not interested anymore. Really? Oh, no.

I wasn't interested after the first one. I was hoping. I was waiting for the second trailer. I didn't know they was going to put it out so fast after the first one. I'm not really interested anymore. I haven't seen that one because I've heard it's very spoilery in terms of sort of, but it kind of reveals in there. But at the same time, I still have enough faith in Shane Black.

to at least make me curious about it. Because at the same time, his movies have been, like, you know, mismarketed, I would argue, and not really, like, gaining a huge audience. But I wouldn't be surprised if we're saving things that aren't, you know, that would be even more spoilery in terms of the actual film at the same time. He makes me, at least curious enough to see it go down. So if anybody doesn't want, there is some, it seems like spoilers in there. So if you don't want to be spoiled, just, uh.

Then don't watch the trailer? That's what shit. I guess go off of the first trailer. No, that's not a good idea. Go off of Shane Black making the fucking movie. Go off of that. I mean, I put it on the schedule because, you know, it's an excuse to watch the original one. But I am less excited than I was before.

Lower expectations. Ouch. Hey, but maybe it'll exceed expectations. and come out to be a pretty decent movie. Yeah. I mean, I would controversially argue that the Predator series is more consistent than the Alien one is. Yeah, fair enough. What about Alien versus Predator?

That's a dip for both franchises. That's not against both of them. Okay. And I think we're ready for listening to Feedback. All right. Well, Philip, we got any? There we go. I got it.

Well, Philips said he's getting his jazz hands, so, you know. Jazz hands, man. I was excited. Okay, so we got an iTunes review, finally. Five out of five. Right. Because we're awesome. And because we told you, too.

It's from Chad P. He says, I love this show. I've been listening since episode five and haven't missed one since. Wow. Thank you. The host keeps it tight with the format of presenting two movies old and new with similar things. into the horror, check this show out.

Please check this show out. I received a handwritten letter from show host Lance saying that he would keep repeatedly yelling at me if I didn't write this review. Help me. This is not a joke. Oh, that's a joke. Come on. Great show, guys. Well, thanks, Chad.

Man, you are awesome. You're the reason that we do this. Well, that and we like watching movies and talking about them. But thanks, man. Definitely appreciate it. Wow. Yeah, that's amazing. That's amazing. Hey, Chad, seriously, though, man, send us an email at Thehorror Returns at gmail.com. And get us your name you want us to send it to in the address. And I think Brian's going to probably find a Blu-ray in his bag of tricks for you as well.

Yep. I'll send you a Blu-ray also. So, yeah, so let us know, do you want a Coozy or a T-shirt? because we haven't printed either and you'll dictate where our budget goes first. Be sure to give us your size. The listeners are running the show. You're going to be a trends center, buddy.

There you go. Let's see. Regarding the news that Lauren Cohen is leaving the Walking Dead, Stephen Loblad said, just end the damn show after nine. I agree with you, Stephen.

Samantha Bean says, she'll always be Bella to me. Bella? Bella. I don't know. From one of those vampire movies or something? I believe that's supernatural. Ah.

It's on supernatural. That was the sound of it going over my head. I'm too fast. I won't catch it. Be sure to check out a B. Germain's link on our group page. Hey, I got his name right this time. Yeah. featuring his review of cargo

Lisa Cole says My friend said she and her wife were crying so hard by the end But it was amazing I was getting misty-eyed watching the trailer I'm going to give it a look That was my cool of the week last week It's an awesome movie Check it out

Plus it's on Netflix What are you got to lose? Yeah, I'm the only one in this group here That hasn't seen it, right Thomas? You guys have all checked it out? Yep Yeah, man, that's a good one I have not actually

Cargo myself. I'm curious to see it. Oh, you haven't seen it. I have not seen it. Okay. It's cool. I like the different takes that they're doing on zombie movies lately. Evolver die. Yeah, there you go.

Lisa also checked out and commented on a few other films. And soon the darkness. She says it's not bad, better than I thought it'd be. Hey. That's bad. better than shitty. Hey, yeah. That's how I feel.

I'm hoping that's going to be the predator movie. Right. Unsane. It wasn't the regular blood and guts, but it was creepy to think how a situation

can spiral like that. I loved it. Another creepy psychological movie Claire Foy was in. Wreckers with Benedict Cumberbatch. Again,

not a gore movie, more of a mind-fuck movie. I haven't seen Rekers, but yeah, We reviewed Unsaying and definitely love that one. Records. Wow.

Yeah, I'm looking it up right now. How can we not check it out with that cast, right? Yeah. Benedict Cucumber Batch. Brian posted a poll with the release of Hereditary this weekend. What is A24's best film so far? Right now, The Witch is in the lead with X Machina and Green room right behind.

Justin Smith says Under the Skin, Room, Lady Bird, Moonlight, Swiss Army Man, the Lobster. Dude, they've had some kick-ass movies. No shit. Yeah. I didn't realize all that was from the same people.

Under the skin, wow. That will leave you feeling something. Under the skin has my, under the skin has one of my favorite deaths in a movie recently. And Lanzas I'm talking about with like the guy underneath, the sort of weird pull.

thing and what happens to him shocked me to my core. It's so fucked up. Oh wow. I got to watch this one, but I may need to give it a couple days after Hereditary. Scarlett Johansson fully nude. Oh, oh, that one. Okay, yeah, definitely got to watch that. Samantha Bean says,

The witch terrified me in a strange way. Almost uncomfortable, but we loved it. Almost uncomfortable. Almost uncomfortable. Black Phillip. Or witch bathing in babies fat? Well, yeah, that was kind of uncomfortable. I mean, you know, Thou loves to live deliciously.

I mean, come on. Right. It's a keto diet right there. Oh, no. That's also the only one I've seen so far. The four of them are on the deck for watching. So I guess I will vote for the one I've seen. scene and I genuinely thought it was masterfully done.

I definitely watch the others, man. They've got some good movies out. Jessica Tucker says, I don't think I've seen any of these except the witch. Another one. Jesse Bollinger says the witch is phenomenal and creepy film. I also really enjoyed Green Room. That was good, man. Yep.

Yeah. Adam Bunch says Tusk. Wait. Tusk? What is Tusk? I don't even know what that is. Don't say that you love me. Come on.

But seriously, I like Tusk, but love ex machina. All right, fair enough. Thomas Mariani says a ghost story is... Who's that? Who's Thomas Mariani? Why are you reading this? Fuck that guy. Well, there you go, man.

It says a ghost story is basically an ex... existential look at the loneliness of death and falsehoods of human legacy through the prisms of a ghost perspective in a haunted house scenario. That's the new one, right? That came out last year, yeah. It was my favorite movie of last year. I really liked it. It's from David Lowry, who is going to be doing that one, the old man in the gun,

the Robert Redford movie that's coming out. He's one of my favorite modern directors right now. And it's clear from that movie he's a big horror movie fan. but and it's pretty much just like imagine a ghost you know haunted house movie from the ghost perspective after you've seen the ghosts like die and his wife grieve

and her move out of the house and all the other people that have lived in the house for like hundreds of years afterward. Oh wow. That's the Casey Affleck one right? Yes and he's under his sheet for most of it. Oh! A literal sheet? Yes, see it's a literal ghost sheet. He looks like the Charlie Round Ghost, yes. It's ghost story. Amazing.

I've stopped on that one a few times and been like, maybe not. But now I'll check it out, man. Yeah. Like it's worth. Apparently one of your favorite films of the decade. That's awesome.

But A24 has made many great ones in here too. Let's see. Regarding the upcoming movie, The Girl and the Spider's Web, starring Claire Foy. Chad Pino, Pino, Pino, Pino. Sorry, dude. Two-thirds into this book right now.

Most definitely a drop-off in quality. Yeah, I don't get. how they're going to tell this story without book two and three, I'd put my money that they find a way to leave the back story out. I've heard nothing but conflict about this whole fucking series of stuff, man.

I'm not sure what it's going to be about. I'm looking forward to seeing it, especially with Claire Foy in it. Yeah, it looks cool. Let's see, regarding the remake of Night of the Living Dead, Darren Wilson says I can't say I always liked it, but I do

like it now. and I feel a little bad because when we reviewed this movie, I did nothing but made fun of it. Right. Well, this is, I think he's referring specifically to the remake. Yeah, the Tom Savini one. Oh, okay.

All right, well, that one I haven't seen. I'll check it out. You know what you would expect it to be. And I remember when I did my old 90s show, we actually had Savini on, which was interesting in terms of it's, basically him getting through the crisis of all the production problems on the movie. Right.

The course of that, yeah, the Dakedes who are in 1990s episode about that was, it was very interesting. How, how, I want to go hear that. How far back was that one, would you say? That was beginning of last year. Okay, so like early 2017 then? Yes. Okay, check that one out. And so was that the only film you guys covered on that one?

Is that how I can find it when I go back to look it up? Yeah, just look, Nia Living Dead 90s. Promoting old shows. In the back catalog. I like it. Let's see. The new Bumblebee trailer has dropped. Yes!

Yeah. That's what Patrick Clear said. He said, yes. This falls under the category of horror, right? I know Lance is chopping at the bit to review this one. See, Lance, you did message me about this trailer. I did. I did, man.

I was fucking with you. Oh. Samantha Bean says, Holy, holy, holy shit with like 15 exclamation marks. I had no idea this was even in the works, and I'm legit crying right now. Bumblebee is my favorite in all caps,

Transformer. My sons, too, love this love. Wow. People are excited about this one. Somebody's going to be checking it out. Yeah. Fuck, maybe it'll be good, man. They got to do something with this transatlantic.

or shit if they're going to try to keep going with it. Brian, you got your copy of the Ice Pirates in the DVD in the mail today, huh? Blue Ray. Oh, nice. Glorious. I can't believe they would even make a Blu-ray of this piece of shit. It was fun, man. It was way better than I expected it to be.

Spoiler alert. I'll talk about it later. Mike Bachelor says loved this movie when I was a kid saw it in the theaters Lace El Jarre Says A great fanciation man

It might have been It might have been terrible I don't know He says it's a favorite of his Studied with the composer Fucking A man Nice Some famous ass listeners Uh

Shire Pierre posted a video of kids going crazy watching a horror movie on the group page. It's titled, We All Know That One Person Who Gets Like This Watching Horror Films. Did you check that one out, Brian? Yeah, I might have. Yeah, somebody brought their damn kid to the hereditary. I'll talk about it later.

Oh, no. That's rough. But it's a family picture. Sure, it is. Sure it is. It is. Wait a minute. You're right.

It's all about family. Literally. Why not? In that room! Oh, boy. So, regarding no one lives, according to Brian, the most entertaining movie

that Luke Evans has ever done. Okay. Stand by that. Monica Mandoki says, Love this movie. All right, Monica. From a padded room. Yeah.

Lisa Cole says Luke Evans popping out of that big guy's body, tripped me the F out. Spoiler alert. On a different note, have you seen High Rise with him and Tom Hiddleston? Very disturbing, but entertainment. It's a real mind-fuck of a movie. I nearly couldn't finish it, but powered through.

That's a Ben Wheatley movie, Thomas, right? Yeah, I have seen that one, yeah. It's interesting. It's weird, because it's like a 70s-era book that they're doing like a satiric take-on. So it feels definitely like it's sort of from that era, even though it was made like only a couple years ago. It's interesting.

It's got a lot of great people in. There's, I think, really great moments. It just definitely feels kind of meandering for sure. But it's interesting. All right. Ryan Stevens says, Why you have a gigantic number of pages, Lance? There's like 17 fucking digits in this thing.

Yeah, well, we try to keep out there on social. some media, right, Brian? Yeah. Also, regarding the first purge, Ryan says they aren't the best films I've ever seen, but I find the purge films immensely entertaining, in part

due to the philosophical discussions around the concept of a purge. And regarding hereditary, seeing it this weekend, excited to pee my pants and terror. There's an update on his viewing. I guess he walked out of the theater.

hour into the movie. That doesn't surprise me, man. This one was rough. Yep. Hmm. Probably not because it was rough, though, right? No, he's... Yeah.

Really? Apparently, it was a piece of shit. Oh. Wow. I'm excited to talk about this one. I think we all are. Thomas, I didn't read your online review yet, man, because I didn't want anything spoiled. Oh, you mean my review at Marianithomas.

com? That's the same one? Go check it out. By the way, there aren't any spoilers in that review, though. I try to avoid spoilers, and I'll usually mention it at the top, if there are any spoilers. We're talking spoilers today, ladies and gentlemen, but we'll warn you first. Let's see. Michael Colombe did a post it on YouTube, Texas Frightmare wrap-up on the main horror returns page to check out.

Did a fun review of my trip to Texas Frightmare Weekend. Such an amazing event met so many amazing horror film. and fans. We had a blast, man. It was a great trip out there. That's it for a listener feedback today. Thanks to everybody who reaches out to us. We love your feedback and ideas.

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We're still running the contest, so check us out and let us know what you think. Even if you hate us, but pretend you love us, because we love you. Featured attractions. We're going to start with the legacy. As you guys know from our top 10 horror movies, we did in our 100th episode.

This is one of my honorable mentions. 178 movie director Richard Markwand. You may or may not have heard of him. He's known for Eye of the Needle and a little movie called Return of the Jedi. Fucking A. Here's a writer by committee that always makes me nervous. Patrick Tilly, Paul Wheeler, and Jimmy Sankster. And Sankster, Thomas, you may have heard of him doing a lot of the older shows that you guys have done.

He's known for a lot of the Hammer Horror movie. movies? Had you heard that name before? I mean, I was vaguely aware. I know he had written the original mummy that they did with Christopher Lee and some of those others. But yeah, it kind of shows. You can tell a hammer influence on this one. Like Inski Hammer? Can't touch it? Yes, exactly. It was really weird when Roger Daltrey came out in parachute pants. I was very surprised, very ahead of his tie.

But the dance was on point. Oh, so on point. Well, that's part of the trivia. The house where the majority of the film took place was Roger Daltry's. Oh, of course, yeah, he agreed to it being used as long as he was cast in the movie. Yeah, man, put me in the movie. And final piece of trivia, Sam Elliott and Catherine Ross met and fell in love when they co-starred in this film. They married in 1984 and are still together. What?

Heartwarming. A Hollywood love story that actually lasted. It actually works. All right, Thomas, you're our guest, man. If you wish, we were to give you the opportunity to go first. The older one, we just jump right into the spoilers on. Right. So the legacy, I'd actually never seen.

I'd actually never really heard of, honestly, until you invited me to watch it here. And it's an interesting little movie. It definitely has, like I mentioned, a sort of Hammer influence, lots of great British character actors that are in here. like Charles Gray, who you might recognize from Rocky Horror Picture Show, amongst other things. And it's, it was very interesting, especially like a young Sam Elliott pulling off his hot Jeff Foxworthy look at this point. That's great. I hadn't thought about that, but yeah. That's pretty much what this.

But I think it really works because, you know, you mentioned sort of chemistry between him and Catherine Ross. That really carries the movie an interesting way because they're both like. you know, in America and they're going over to England and Sam Elliott's kind of cautious about it and she kind of convinces him to go through with it. And their connection really, I think, carries the movie along through some maybe lesser plotting elements. But at the same time, a really big spotlight here is the death stuff, like particularly the woman in the swimming pool bit, I thought was incredibly well put together, especially for 78, where you can, it's obviously there's a glass there. But at the same time, you don't really feel it. It feels more like it's just like a force

that's kind of pushing up against this, you know, woman and she can't get out of the pool. I thought that was a really well-done sequence that I was surprised, especially worked as effectively as it did for that era. So it's good. I am glad I did see it. I was not as aware of it. And I had recently seen Eye of the Needle earlier this year because we did Return the Jedi on the Double-Eged Double Bill. And I wanted to do some more Richard Marquan stuff.

A workman but underrated director in many ways. Ah, it's a good way to put it. Brian, what'd you think about the movie, man? First, I got to point out that really caught my eye or my ear actually was the music is so upbeat and poppy and... Right. Yeah. It's completely opposite of the movie. I know.

I thought that a couple of times. It does have that creepy factor to it, but it was a little slow for me. I did like the deaths, though. The one I thought was pretty crazy was... I can't remember his name. The one that was choking on a chicken bone and he didn't eat chicken. That's adultery, yeah. Yes, yes.

Okay. I thought that was, and then the nurse comes in to do the tracheotomy. Oh, wow. Obviously, it was a bad idea. But I thought everybody was good in it. I like to store the whole, the guy passing down the legacy, the power to the beneficiaries. And you have to sacrifice everyone so he can pass. passes on to, which we're in spoilers.

You find out later is his granddaughter or great-granddaughter? Yeah, something like that. I didn't catch if it was granddaughter or great-granddaughter, but it was obviously ended up being all in the family, so to speak. Yeah, and for the most part, I enjoyed it, though. It was a good watch. This before you even mentioned it, Lance, I had never heard of it also. Right.

Yeah, I think what really got me, like you mentioned, swimming pool scene, Thomas. Okay, so I was, when did this movie come out? 78, so I probably saw it. I remember it was on HBO. I was at my dad's house because he let us watch anything we wanted to. All kinds of R-rated movies, lots and lots of horror movies, lots of action. Lots of movies.

Yeah, yeah, oh, lots of movies, yeah. HBO in the early 80s, late 70s, absolutely. Stripes, the jerk, all that stuff, you know. But yeah, I remember that scene is what really kind of creep me out. And I remember this being one of the first horror movies that got me into horror. That one, and then my dad taking me to see the Vincent Price House of Wax in 3D right around the same time. So those two, I think, really got me into horror movies. Looking back, is this movie a little dated?

Yeah, of course it is. In fact, I think there was a quote from Richard Mark Wan that he said, we made a movie that at the time we thought was pretty good. but looking back, we were 15 years behind our time. So that says a lot. But I did kind of like the twist. I loved the part when they were, they tried to get away and they kept driving

and coming back up on the house again. I mean, that's been copied so many times lately. Like in the first season of American Horror Story, I can think of off the top of my head and several other things as well. So, yeah, it's a fun movie. Yeah, there you go. Blair Witch, absolutely. It's definitely a fun movie.

It's a little more dated than, I mean, at the time, it seemed like the greatest horror movie ever, of course. Looking back, it's not the greatest, but I would highly recommend it to anybody, for sure. Yeah, but I do really want to comment what Brian was talking about with the song. Another Side of Me, as sung by Kiki D. Firmly, Firmly dating of Don't Go Breaking My Heart, along with Elton John. Oh, okay, that Kiki D. That KikiD, yes. And that firmly dates the movie, especially there's a whole point where they use that theme again.

When he's like going around the countryside, the two of them are going around the countryside. And they're like on the horses and it's just like, why are we doing this here? It's just like, oh my God, everything's falling apart around this. Time for a montage. With that song. It's so weird. It's a little out of place. Yeah.

It's like, we got Kee Kee. We're using this song as much as we can. Yeah, you got it. Probably was it. So is it still an honorable mention for you, Lance? Yeah, it is. It absolutely is. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

It's a lot of... Just nostalgia factor. Yeah, and it's a nice twist at the end, you know? Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Yeah, there's some really good, dark atmospheric moments, like the stuff where you've got the guy who's inside of, like, the sort of little hospital room, and have they have to turn off the lights and everything and boost up his lights and stuff. kind of gave me like a dark crystal vibe

with like the elder who like just fucking disintegrates in that bit. I really liked a lot of the atmospheric stuff there. And also just the moments of like Charles Gray who I always love being piffy. Like he nearly shoots Sam Elliott with an arrow

and just like, oh sorry, it just slipped accidentally. In the opposite direction. Exactly. Like he had a bazooka on backwards or something. And also shout out to Charles Gray's death. via just like being lit on fire. The actual look of his like rotting, fleshy,

just burnt up corpse was actually pretty astonishing, honestly for the time. Yeah. Similarities to another movie I'm thinking right now. Oh, yeah. Man, I don't know that I like this one quite as much as you guys did. I kind of kept waiting for it to get started. And then I kept waiting.

And then I was like, is that Roger Daltrey? What the fuck? And then some more waiting. And then in some very supposed to be tense moments, they were doing the montage with the upbeat music. And I was like, what the fuck is happening right now? And after that, I sort of zoned out, man. I can't even really remember what happened at the ending.

I did like the death scene in the pool. I thought that was cool. I thought it was cool that Roger Dalton Jaltery was in it I like seeing the young Sam Elliott and it was kind of interesting to watch like a social

commentary wise how slightly domineering he was did you guys get that at all well it was 1978 right? Yeah I mean you know a different era but I thought that was kind of interesting to watch

It was like watching a time capsule, you know what I mean? Because it is, this movie is very dated. And you can tell that from the get-go. But yeah, it was okay. I just, I sort of zoned out at the end, and I couldn't really tell you what happened. I didn't like where Sam Elliott's character went at the end. Yeah? Because he, this whole, throughout the whole movie, he's trying to get him and her away from the house.

and then he even tries to stop the whole, you know, passing of the legacy over to her by destroying the hospital room. And then at the end, he's just kind of like, you know, let me get that ring. Yeah, right. Well, he sort of resigned to it at that point. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I mean, yeah, it does help also that Catherine Ross is just like incredibly enchanting when you initially see her. And then she sort of gets, you know, entranced into this and sort of sucked into it. you kind of feel that regret, but at the same time, you're like, I don't know, hanging around the graduate girl.

That might not be bad, even if we're observing to Satan. It's fine. You're still hot. Oh, man. Scores? Yeah, you guys ready for scores? Mm-hmm. So, yeah, Thomas, we do one through ten here, but you can do decimals, percentages, whatever you want, man. I'll go with, if we're going out of ten, I'll go with seven out of ten.

Oh, nice. solid fun for what it was. Yeah, very dated at certain points. But it's an interesting time caps. I like that. I think that's a very accurate description, especially just young Sam Elliott. Pre, you know, this is like what, Frogs era, Sam Elliott, right? This is pre-roadhouse.

This is like 10 years before Roadhouse, guys. This is super early Sam Elliott. But also, yeah, just like a lot of fun inventive sequences and stuff like that. Very interesting, even if it is of. It's time. I'm also going to go seven. It was slow, but overall the story kept me interested. And I do like Sam Elliott.

So I'm going to give it a seven. Well, I have to go eight, guys. I mean, this is like you guys, we're saying, the nostalgia factor. I just thought it was a really fun movie to watch. It was fast-paced. And I kind of like sat down and next thing you know, the movie's over with. You know, it's like it went by really quickly. and it didn't seem like there was a wasted scene in the whole movie.

And I thought... It's because of the upbeat music. It was all the music. All about the music. Maybe they should maybe remaster it, but use like 9-inch nails or something like that. And see how that works out. Just date it by 20 years as opposed to 40. It's fine.

I'm going to go with an 8 out of 10. I'm going to give it an extra point because... I love Sam Elliott And I was I didn't know that it took place In Roger Daltry's house I thought that's awesome And especially

Yeah And especially since we have Not the Who's Tommy As your screen name on this one Right And my Twitter handle also Add Not the Who's Tommy on Twitter Please follow

You were saying But I'm gonna go with a 5 Oh Bringing the house down, which is not usual for me. But I had other shit going on in the background, man. I probably didn't give it a fair chance. Fair enough. All right, cool.

So three of us recommend it, and one is kind of like, I guess if it's on Netflix for free watch it. Yeah. It's on YouTube. Yeah, it's on YouTube. Going back, I think we were talking about this one almost a year ago, weren't we, Brian? Yes. All right. Well, the director and writer.

I know absolutely nothing about this person. I don't even know if this is a man or a woman. I'm assuming it's a man. Ari Oster? Thomas. It's his directorial debut. This is his first start, yeah. This is it.

All right. This is the fourth 824 movie to get a wide release after the previously mentioned The Witch. Free Fire, meh. And, oh, no, one of my least favorite. It comes at night. Oh, boy. It had its good parts. I just didn't like the ending.

Hmm. What ending? It didn't end. That's the problem. A trailer for this film was accidentally shown at a screening of Peter Rabbit in Australia. So, Bede, Marcy. I don't know if you guys check that out, but there you go. So again, Thomas, you are our guest, man.

And we know you have a lot to say about this. So we kind of go around Robin, spoiler-free. doors and then, you know, let it go. Yes, we'll dig into that. So, yeah, I was very curious about Hereditary. I was very interested. Obviously, maybe because it's 824, but the trailers looked interesting at the same time.

I wanted to keep my expectations in check, which is something I would hope more people out there would do. And Hereditary is very interesting because for horror fans, the first half of it is much more of like a really brutal family drama. Almost kind of has like a who's afraid of Virginia, your wolf vibe at points in terms of just like a lot brutal. Oh, it's very brutal. It's very depressing at points in there.

It's dealing with very heavy subject matter. But at the same time, that consistently fascinated me and really got me invested in the characters. We say a lot, you know, people say a lot like, oh, horror movies don't get us really invested in the characters that much. We don't know a lot about them before the horror hits. This is a movie that deliberately really goes into this entire family. It's dynamic in that first half. and then it makes all the really weird crazy horror shit that happens in the second half,

I think even better. This is, quite frankly, it's my favorite movie of the year so far, horror or otherwise. I loved hereditary, well, with every little fiber of my being. That's saying a lot. What did you think, Philip? Yeah, I mean, I agree with a lot of stuff that you said. I saw it this morning, so I'm still sort of trying to process, man. It was as heavy as a movie.

gets. I mean, there was a time in the middle of that movie where I was like, man, I don't know if I can watch the rest of this. It was rough. And then yeah, it's actually probably the last third of the movie that the horror

stuff actually hits. It takes it a while to get going. It's definitely a slow burn. But you're right. I mean, they give you a whole lot of character background and they get you invested into all these characters. And so when something happens to any of them, you are are very distraught about it, you know?

Yeah, particularly shout out to Tony Colette. Amazing. Powerhouse performance. Yeah. This one had me hook, line, and sinker, man. I was invested in this movie. It was a little rough to watch, but has all the makings of a classic, man.

This was a good movie. I was very impressed. What did you think, Brian? I loved it. The first hour was slow. Very, very depressing, especially when you get into the backgrounds of family members and stuff like that. But once you hit that second hour, fantastic. Goes off the fucking deep end.

Yes. Thomas, you mentioned Tony Colette. Fucking fantastic. Even her facial expressions, the way everything was just amazing. And not to mention, I thought everybody else was great in the movie. too, especially, I don't know the kid's name, the kid from Jumanji. Jimonji.

Alex Wolfe. Yes. He was great. He was great as well. Versatility. Scariest movie since Texas is, no, but very, very disturbing and creepy and just makes you feel

certain ways. But I loved it. I had a fantastic time. I don't know, man. it might be up there, dude. It gave me the goosebumps multiple times. Well, I can see the exorcist comparison, or even a Rosemary's Baby comparison,

mainly in terms of they all sort of follow that similar kind of aesthetic to it. Of like it's initially sort of like a character drama that builds up to the horror, but both those movies kind of have that. But at the same time, it's definitely feels also especially like a more modern context in terms of this, you know, woman who is going around trying to convince people that she's telling the truth. and there are people that completely die and shunner down. I think it's a very interesting, relevant movie for its time as well.

Yeah, well, and if you think about the circumstances, you know, I mean, there's, there's, there's reasons that they, that they don't, they don't believe her, you know? several layered reasons that we can get into after the scores. But yeah, it was, first of all, before we do this, let's talk about the idea of setting when it comes to going to a movie theater to see a film. Brian, you've talked about this several times. Apparently the Anchorage crowds are notorious for being a little on the rowdy side. Yeah, and why would you be? bring your kid.

This kid had to have been like six or seven years old to this movie. Oh, no. And then there's a scene that happens in the middle. I'm not going to spoil it, but I couldn't, you know, I was like, wow, they went there. And then this lady was completely just disgusted that they would even do this in this movie and grabbed her child and stomped out of there. Okay, good, good. Yes. Yeah, she probably shouldn't have been there in the first place.

How dare you do this is an R-rated horror film that I brought my child to? How dare you, movie? But besides that, my crowd was really into it. It was very quiet, like everybody was paying attention to it, because there was a lot to take in with this movie, because this is definitely a movie that you're going to have to watch multiple times to really, really get everything. Because there's a lot of foretelling of the end and other stuff throughout the movie

that we'll get into later that I noticed. I can't decide whether I'll want to watch it again, man. That was... That rough, huh? Yeah, dude. It's kind of... It's up there on an echelon of, like, a Requiem for a Dream where it's like, this is a great movie. I don't know if I want to watch it again.

Right. Oh, man. Well, so they stomped out, Brian? Like, you grabbed the kid and they left? Okay. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what they were watched. What they thought they was going to watch, really.

I don't know. Peter Rabbit, maybe. Yeah. They saw it on the trailer. I sure wish I could say the same, dude. With my crowd, I'm going to say this was the, shit, I go to at least one movie in the theater a week. And this was, I can honestly say, the strangest theater-going experience I've ever experienced in my life. Really?

Yeah, it started out innocently enough. There was a, I don't know where this guy was sitting exactly, but it was probably third or fourth row from the front down on the left. and there were a few scenes that were maybe mildly humorous and he had he stifled a few little giggles when you get to the scene that I think Brian's talking about where the movie really takes a super dark turn the guy burst out I'm not laughing

like giggling, guffawing what I kid you not is the opposite reaction that I had every time something would happen that was either dramatic or scary or, you know, really, you know, really made your stomach turn or made you think, this fucking jackass just started giggling like a madman. And it, well, I was going to say it wouldn't have been so bad, but yeah, it was pretty

fucking bad just with this, this idiot. Maybe they were scared giggles. I don't know. If they were, they sure sounded weird, but. He was watching overboard on his phone the whole time. Maybe so. Or he's a serial killer. That movie didn't have that many laughs.

But unfortunately, here's what happened. There were three or four little teenage girls sitting on the same aisle he was, and they got into it too. When he started as just like the ringleader, and they would all giggle as well. And I'm sure it was nervous giggling, but maybe they were worried about this dude or something. They should have gotten up and left, man.

But it was just strange. That's weird. Very weird. Because I don't remember any moments in this movie that were funny at all. Yeah, it's not. There are like a few darkly humorous moments that are just like just some kind of brief relief. It's like, oh. Yeah, it's definitely kind of like that.

But I had an interesting experience where most of my crowd was pretty quiet, except there was one, like it was clearly a teenager who was kind of like not getting into the dramatic part of it and still just kind of like trying to. trying to make fun of the movie. And then that moment happens. He's silent for a solid, like I'd say 10 minutes after that point. And then as the movie keeps going along, I can hear him silently saying, What the fuck? Well, that sounds about right. That's more like it.

Yeah. That would be the expected result of the thing from this movie. But I will say this. There's two movies that I remember leaving the theater in my lifetime. And I just felt off, like really, really weird when I was in my car. car just like depressed and you know felt like literally out of my skin this one and uh oliver stone's uh natural born killers. Yeah this movie gave me that same uneasy feeling. But this, I will be seeing this again

because I've got to see it without that crowd. I've got to soak everything up and be able to concentrate because frankly that it was a little distracting here in this guy. You know, so anyway, um, not too much more I want to say because I'm afraid I might say a spoiler like did with the solo show. Well, I don't think anybody really cared at that point. How many spoilers can there be at solo? But you need to know his name

in context of the movie. It's so great. Oh, no. You guys ready to get into scores? Yeah. Yeah. So we can really talk. Yeah, Thomas, you went first, right? Yes, 10 out of 10. Wow. You're on 10 of 10. Loved this movie.

Holy smoke Full stop I guess that's me Sorry I'm gonna give it a I'm gonna give it a 9 and a half I'm gonna leave a half a point off Just because it was like

Man It was heavy You know But great movie man It's it's rare that A movie impacts me the way that this one did And it hit me hard Mm-hmm

Um I don't do this often, but I'm going to give it a 10. Wow. This, um, this, um, not even just what I've seen,

just stuff that was being said. It just, I was like, wow, that's super fucked up. And this movie was like the omen and Rosemary's baby on mental health issues all together wrapped up in one movie. So I'm,

I'm going to give it a 10. I don't do them often. Wow. That's strong, man. Um, well, so my,

my vote, my vote, or my score is going to be tainted, and so I am going to see this again and score it again later, but unfortunately due the distractions of it. And then the fact that I thought it was just maybe a 10 or 20 minutes too long. I think it would have been a little bit tighter. But other than that, I still give it a very strong 8 out of 10. And I highly expect that that score will go up upon further viewing.

But having said that, though, if they cut that 20 minutes out, you don't get quite as much character development, I think. Yeah, we can go into that. That's a good point. I'd be curious to see what you would want to cut out, you know. Yeah, I mean, okay, fair enough. I can assure you that this is not going to stay in 8 on 10, but that's the score for now.

But anyway, any way you look at it, we all four highly, highly recommend the movie, don't we? Yes. Yes. All right, spoilers. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned This is a motherfucking spoiler alert

You've been fucking warned This is a motherfucking spoiler alert You've been fucking warned Well we gotta talk about the scene right Yes Specify which one The fucking dead scene of the little girl Who hits her head on the fucking pole

And her head pops off Little Charlie Man Immediately when that happened I don't think I've ever done this in a theater Or even sitting at home watching a movie. My hands went to my mouth. I was like, oh my God. That was so brutal. My reaction my reaction came after that when I'm like, you fucking went home and just went to bed and just left

her in the car for your mother to find. Oh, I was obviously in shock. Yeah, I was feeling for him. Yeah, but I was still like, what the fuck? He's pulled over and he's like, what the fuck do I do? Yeah. What the fuck just happened? What's so interesting with that moment to me, I Alex Wolf's performance there is you can just see it's all it's all very silent it's just a lot of closets on his eyes you see like the brief close of like over where the head would be and his face is just like and the brief tear he has just like I've ruined everything I my life is over this is the worst possible thing I ever could have done and it's all because I was reckless and stupid and it's such a fucking heart stopping moment in this

whole move, especially after such a big energetic chase scene that happens, it just really makes you just stop and contemplate with him. Just like, this is so fucked. And to the point where he's just like, I just need to go home. I can't fucking process this. It's like, I

agree that it's definitely in a moment of like, oh man, you fucking did that, you piece of shit, but at the same time, it's like, you know, man, I don't know what I'd fucking do either. I don't either, man. That's, that was, I was putting myself in his shoes the entire time. And I'm like, what you do at this point? And I can't blame him for doing what he did just going home and going to

bed. I mean, oh, was it the smartest decision? Probably not, but what the fuck are you supposed to do at that point? I mean, knock on your mom's door and wake her up and say, hey, uh, sorry, so this is dead. Oh, and then especially how it cuts to her head popped off. Oh, my God. And especially how it cuts to like just the morning routine on his face. And then that shot. that shot where you see just the head covered in ants is genuinely one of the most unsettling, disturbing images I've just ever seen. And I can't believe they went there. And I'm sure it's a very quick cut, but it just burrows into your fucking brain. Like so many months that happened after that point.

Well, and it was that moment when she, you know, wakes up and goes to the car and all you hear is that scream, you know. and I was like, oh, dude, I felt so awful. And it lasted as it would cut to the next scene of her in the bedroom on the floor, crying, and then it would cut to the next scene, and she's just still screaming at the funeral. It was rough. But did you guys notice the symbol on the pole that she hit her head? No. Was it on that?

Yeah, somebody, now I didn't. Yeah, I didn't see it. That's why I said I got to go watch it, but someone said that this symbol was already on the pole. Like, all this was like pre-planned to happen. Everything was being controlled or something. Well, the thing that made me think that wasn't that particular bit, but it's when later on Alex Wolfe is like going up to the tree house during like the very end of the movie. And he looks over and it's that same fucking animal that he nearly ran over. Oh, fuck, they planted all this shit.

Oh, I didn't realize that. Oh, my God. Yes. Wow. Okay, cool. Maybe I do need to watch this one again. There's crazy symbolism in this. I'll watch it several times.

And I mean, even just from the cutting the head off of the pigeon thing that she did, I mean, that's... This movie is insane. I texted Lance to send us I got out. I was like, what the fuck did I just watch? Very, very well written. Very tight, tight script. I mean, everything... I didn't see anything.

plot holes in it, did you guys? No. I can't, I didn't put, I didn't pick out a single, single plot hole. Every, everything fits seamlessly. Well, I want to talk about in terms of the symbolic imagery. I love that this whole movie is really centered around these people who don't really have control over their lives trying to seek control. There's so much of that.

Like the fact that Tony Collette, the entire movie is making diaramas of these moments in her life where her mother was super domineering, always doing shit like trying to come in. or trying to feed her daughter, which was especially disturbing. It's very interesting. There's that there's that and also how Charlie even mimics that by making little tiny figures of her own with the weird kind of like can thing that she makes

and all the other stuff and even. And how that shows up later. It's a movie about really these people trying to take some kind of control of their lives in a situation where because of the grandmotherly figure who just only shows up in photographs, she is constantly pulling the strings on their lives, and putting them in her own little dollhouse.

Oh, wow. Nice. All right, I'm already up to eight and a half. Let's keep going. Yeah, there's a little... I don't even take all that into account, man. Yeah, there's just a lot. Like, even once she's at her group meeting,

is she speaking on her brother, who before he committed suicide, was claiming that the mother was trying to put people into his body. Oh. Yep. Well, yeah, I was talking about. Wow. And I love the simplistic imagery of it just being a light.

It almost reminded me of like, have you guys ever seen like the Mary Martin, Peter Pan? Like the old stage show where Tinkerbell would just be a flashlight? Like, I love that they convey that just through something as simple as like a little tiny light that just shows off. It's like it's so simplistic, but it screams so much, especially when even you see like the weird kind of almost blast of light that shows up constantly. Just like, no, like shit's about to go. down essentially. I love how they utilize that.

Yeah, because it's based like super in realism and then like they go off sort of on the deep end at the end and go full horror. But before that, it's almost very realistic and creepy as hell, you know? And then that whole little orb of light that's

flying around is, uh, that's one of the things that gave me goosebumps, man. Trying, trying to figure out what the hell was going on. Yeah, it was just, uh, you know, creepy shit that was happening. And then when the mom was like crawling

around the room and shit. Oh shit. All right. So my favorite fucking horror scene in it that really creep me the fuck out, had me kind of the same way as in the Exorcist remake, or not the remake,

but the re-release when they had her like climbing down the stairs backwards. Spider-walking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that part got me. The same way that the part were she was trying to get into the attic and she's like clinging to the ceiling and just slamming her head on the attic. Oh, God. Oh, my God. That was creepy as fuck. Oh, wow. What about when the kid was in school at his desk and he started getting possessed? Oh, yeah. Dude, I'm getting goosebumps right now talking about it, man. It was a creepy-ass movie.

I just also love, like, one of the few moments of like kind of a bit of levity during that scene is after this horrible scene where he's contorting his body and all this other stuff. we have the wide shot of him screaming and the kids looking around and just the one kid fucking having the cell phone I don't know that it's so much it's off and it's off to the right and I only notice it because I'm just like oh my god that was so intense oh he's got his cell phone is he filming it or just he was filming it he was filming it just as this is going on I'm surprised the mad giggler didn't catch that in my theater that was the one moment that scared him to his core just like he's got a cell phone wow oh my god What do you guys think about poor, poor and down? Has this lady been typecast? Is a sinister character and everything she's in or what?

You guys seen The Handmaid's Tale? Oh, yeah. Not yet, not yet. How about the leftovers? No. Oh, shit. It was interesting to me because she's very inviting and very supportive when she, like, shows up just like, I'm sorry, my son and my grandson also died.

And it's such a tragic thing. You instantly sort of get into just like, oh, she's the sweet, you know, like older lady. It's just like, she wants to help her out. This is so great. And then it's completely suburb the moment she's like on the fucking highway. Right. It's just like, I cast you out.

Yeah. This is so, especially that nobody else hears it. It's so good. And even like the use of the sort of paranormal aspects of it that could have made this. I was worried for a bit like, are we going paranormal activity territory here? Which is like the little glass, you know, going. like that. But they utilize really, especially the moment the fucking

chalk starts actually writing on the chalkboard had me, that was like the first one where I'm just like on pins and needles. I'm just like, oh shit, this is where we're going. And even like some of the humor that comes after that with like the Gabriel Byrne Alex Wolf like actual seance scene.

And Gabriel Byrne, who isn't getting a lot of credit for this movie, but that dude has the best mean mug in this movie. Yes. Yes. At the time. He did great, man. Yeah, especially that whole sequence where the whole casting it into the fireplace thing, you can see so much of this guy just like through his facial features,

just saying, I've had to deal with this for so long, your domineering mother, this whole family situation, now this ghost shit, I'm so done. You can't take this anymore. You can't blame him? Oh, no, I don't blame him at all, no. Why did he catch on fire, though? He reminded me of Richard Jenkins and stepbrothers when he had to go down to the cheesecake factory.

That's true. Very similar motivations, I'm sure, in both contexts. But why did he catch fire instead of her this time? Wasn't he a sacrifice? Right, yeah. She kept saying, like, I have to be a sacrifice. You have to do this one because you have to be the one to cast it in here. And she ended up doing it, which thus made him the sacrifice at that point.

It was a matter of who did the action, huh? Yes, which I find also interesting that this is a movie, like you mentioned, it comes at night, which is a lot more arbitrary and symbolic and more ways than this movie is. And I was disappointed in that movie more because they relied so much on the dream sequences, versus this movie does have a much more clear plot you could follow, but at the same time has so much layered symbolism to it that really enhances the base plot that we already can tell from what Tony Colette's doing. And I think that really works for it, especially speaking of dream sequences, even before the horror stuff starts,

just the moment where she is like supposed to come into the room and she's like, why are you scared of me? I never wanted to be your mother. And she's like, oh, that's really hard.

That was rough. Yeah. Yeah, it's a dream sequence that actually reveals more about the character in a way that you wouldn't, you know, if that happened in the actual context of the reality of the movie,

it would be a completely different movie at that point. But it still reveals so much about the character. It's an actual useful dream sequence for that. Yeah. those are pretty rare these days aren't they? Yeah. Well, and especially in this one where you were,

you kind of didn't know what was real and what wasn't, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I thought it was super good, man. And Tony Colette just fucking killed. I mean, everybody fucking killed it, dude. The acting in this movie was on point. Yeah.

Between like Sixth Sense and the Bada Boy and all these other things, Tony Colette might as well just be crowned, put upon Mother of the Century. at this point. It's just like deals with so much shit and like the way it comes out especially I love the dinner scene so yeah

where she just like goes off on him at that point such a perfect point to go off on the mind such the tension that's at that moment or just like Asha this feels like the worst possible version of the worst family dinners I've ever had well and she didn't get like

too out of hand with just I I I thought that speech was great because she didn't get too out of control with just blaming him for everything. And she was like, you know, I know that you have pain and I wish that I could take that away.

But basically, I wish you weren't such a dumb ass. And you take responsibility for your bullshit. Yeah. Just the pause. And then she's cast it on her just as a perfect fuck you punctuation marks at that moment.

So, such a good fucking movie guys. Yeah. Like I almost just, took her side at that point, you know what I mean? Except that I, was it things, were, were, was it stuff that she should have been saying?

No, but you know, in that kind of situation, that's the kind of shit that comes out, you know? Well, yeah, you take everybody's side at a certain point. It's a great movie of like, it really considers the empathy of every single character that's going on. Even, I really want to praise Millie Shapiro as Charlie, who hasn't really acted in much, but she just has this quiet delicateness that says so much about how domineering the family is, like the grandmother, considering, but also how

at the same time they kind of treat her like a burden at the same time. Just like there's so much layered in her performance as well. Yeah, didn't even mention her. They've got the makeup down on that one, man. She looked like she was like so stressed and hadn't slept for like three days. I mean, they put bags under the eyes to a 13-year-old. And yeah, she did great. right up until the point where a head popped off.

Yeah. What did you guys think about the ending with the whole rising of, what was it, Pymond? Yeah. One of the eight kings of hell. That's crazy. Very Rosemary's baby for sure. Oh, yeah. It was a little confusing.

Yeah? Really? Maybe not necessarily confusing, but like, I mean, I guess I sort of, expected it, but then it was like sort of Charlie that was in him. But it was, it was Pymann. Yeah. Well, no, yeah, they explained the whole thing.

Well, yeah, they explained the whole thing that Charlie was sort of born this creature. And apparently there's a whole thing that it has to be a male, you know, sacrifice of sorts that he has to go into. That's why they even referenced earlier about the whole thing about, grandma always was, we should say, was born a boy as opposed to a girl. Yeah, they want, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, go ahead.

I was going to say they always wanted Peter in the beginning, but Tony Colette's character had, had, I guess, more of a tighter hold on him. Okay. And wasn't able to. And then Charlie was born and was supposed to be a boy. So. Right. You sort of this vessel for Paymond.

Yeah, I completely agree with that. And I think that, especially that it's like sort of the spirit is Charlie. I think speaks to just the, even more of a tragedy of like this girl who was unfairly killed is still just like floating around and not because of her own volition, but because she's secretly this fucking evil pagan god who wants to come back, just layers upon layers of fucking tragedy that's going on just in that simple premise. And so all the, uh, all the dead people in there that were all naked for some reason were, uh, their ancestors?

Oh no, they're followers because you saw the whole, like, photos. Yeah, yeah. Just random dead-ass followers. Okay. I don't think they're necessarily dead. A lot of them weren't dead. They had the dead bodies actually laid out on the ground, right? The headless bodies? Right, they had the headless bodies laid out. Yeah, but they also had like the apparently living

people at the same time who were like these cult followers, including Ann Dowd, was amongst that group. Because they had those pictures and stuff that showed off the grandmother in like a cult ceremony and being the one who sort of crowned and all this other stuff. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they were dead.

Yeah, what was it, what was they called, Queen Leah? Yeah. And yeah, so it had to be someone in her family, right? It had to be her blood, her bloodline, basically, which is why they couldn't just go out and find another boy to try to kill and possess or whatever. Yes, because they've been insinuating that just like, this has been going on for so long,

and she's just, like, one in a line of several of these different people who have been trying to get this God to come back and spread pelfire, essentially. and I oh my god Can I talk about my favorite horror moment of the whole movie Definitely has to be

Alex Wolf goes up into the attic He sees just like the The candles and the evil people But Tony Colette Grooting her own Head off while floating In the air and looking straight into his eyes Wow

Oh yeah I thought she was hanging from a rope No she was limited Oh okay I thought she was hanging like her Like her brother Oh No, she was chopping, taking her head off.

Well, yeah, I mean, I saw that part. Like, while she was hanging, I thought, oh, man, it's crazy. Yeah, I could see why you thought that. I mean, you know. But then there's the weird naked dude that shows up in the house. Right. He's like a real person and just snuck into the house, or is he a goat? Yeah, they all got in, man.

They were not understanding. They were real people. The only one who didn't show up was the naked Indian from Wayne's world, right? with the tear. Well, plus, I also insinuate that these were the same people that probably brought the body up and decreated the grave. Oh, yeah, of course. They had that whole plotline going on as well, yeah. Creepy fucking movie, man.

Yeah, I don't think any of us saw the ending coming, right? Is that safe to say? I did not know what this movie was about going into it. I don't either. I thought from the poster and everything, I kind of just thought it had some do with witchcraft, where, like, You know, she taught the daughter the black arts or something like that. You know? Yeah, it's interesting because it's a movie that, you know, it's interesting because mental

illness was sort of treated in the past previously and diagnosed as demon possession. And this is a movie where it's like, you know, it can feel like demon possession. It's a metaphor for that. But also, no, it's actual demon possession. She's really fucked up. What about Charlie's head on that fucking mannequin at the end? How creepy was that? Oh, man.

Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. And they put the crown on him. Oh, man. I actually really love the ending. I thought it went kind of wild from such a really serious beginning to the movie. But it fits perfectly, man.

I think that they did it right. Yeah, that's kind of why I was thinking like an hour and 40 minutes into it. I was starting to get that. I was starting to worry that this was going to be another. It Comes at night. Because I thought, oh, shit, we're probably right at the end of the movie. But little did I know we still have. had what another half hour, 40 minutes more to go.

That's why I said I thought, you know, maybe it was a little long. But now that you guys mentioned it, I'm really not too sure what else they could have cut out of it. But, yeah. Well, they just, they sat a long time on the death of Charlie, which, I mean, I think was the right move to make. Because, I mean, as a viewer, I was stuck on that for a while, too, man. Like, every scene that they showed after that, I felt like hit me. Tony Collette on the floor like that. Like, I want to die.

I just want to die. I just want to die. Yeah. Oh, man. Because it's so interesting because it's a complete contrast to the opening death of the movie with the grandmother where everyone was just kind of like, well, yeah, she'd treat me like a piece of shit. And everyone was kind of just awkward around her in general. Right. So it's like the death of an older family member you were very distant from versus someone in your direct immediate family. It just had a perfect contrast of it.

Especially a younger one, you know, a child like that. Wow. Yes. all right well it's a deep movie guys we could probably talk all night but we try to keep these shows to an hour and a half and we're just about well a little over but that's good a thomas man we we can't thank you enough brother for for joining this man so tell everybody everybody who's listening tell us all again how where we can find you and listen listen to your golden voice every week well yes i am um not the who's tommy on twitter as i mentioned previously I write reviews as well for Marianithomas.

WordPress.com. That's M-A-R-I-A-N-I-Thomas. WordPress.com. And I also will post their episodes of the Double-Eged Double Bill, which isn't always horror-centric, but we do do horror movies when it calls for. We did recently, based on a true story episode

that includes the Amityville Horror and also Wired, the John Belushi biopic. It's garbage. N-N-S will be in line to listen to that one. We're going to have to turn him onto that. The original Amityville, right? The original Amityville starring James Burland and Margo Kidder. Yes, we covered that.

And that can also be found, like this very podcast, at Podbean. So at Double Edge, Double Bill. Dot Podbean.com. All right, cool. Well, yeah, again, man, we do appreciate it. Are you guys ever going to cover Little Shop of Horrors? No, I might have an inkling to do it at some point, maybe. They just have to do it being my favorite movie ever.

But I don't know, maybe. You might do it. Not sure what bad one you would pair with that. I'm trying to think what it could be. Episodes of the Little Shop animated series. I don't know. Was that that bad? Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.

Oh, how about Repo the Genetic Opera? That was a bad horror musical, right? I don't hate that one, though. You don't? Yeah, it's not that bad. We saw Darren Lynn Bousman at Texas Frightmare, and I almost was going to tell him. You know what? That movie wasn't horrible.

I did. I chickened out. for sure. And I would be glad to come back on anytime, guys. Awesome, man. All right. Well, thanks. And we can't wait to listen to all the episodes you have coming up. And all of our listeners, guys go out and check that out. I think you're going to enjoy it. As always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Horror Returns. As you guys know, we want to hear your feedback. Damn it.

Any ideas. And the show's dictated by what you guys want. So, you know, let us know. You can always reach us at the horror returns at gmail.com. Follow us, where, Brian? Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Tumblr. And what's the deal with iTunes right now, Philip? You can get a T-shirt or a coozy, depending on what Chad sends in.

Thanks, Chad. All right, well, Thomas, next week, we're, We're going to have Doc Rotten on the show. And as you know from Horror News Radio as well as Grusome Magazine. And we're going to talk about the year in horror in 1978. So, Brian, till the horror returns again. Good night.