The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #11: Wes Craven Retrospective (Re-upload)

Episode Date: April 24, 2021

Brian and Lance cover the movies of Wes Craven. Thanks for listening!

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spoiling the new release, sometimes it may be necessary to talk about certain details in the course of our conversation. We generally assume you guys have already seen the classic film, so there will often be spoilers when discussing anything that has been out for at least a year. The other thing you may hear us do from time to time is use a few four-letter words. This is a horror podcast, and horror movies tend to be R-rated, so you can pretty much expect us to be two. Now, tonight we're doing something a little bit different. This is the second in our series of planned retrospective of horror greats. First retrospective we did was an excellent director of horror movies, John Carpenter.

This retrospective is another director, this time, West Craven. I'm Lance, and with me tonight is my co-host, Brian. How's it going, Brian? I'm pretty good. How about yourself? Doing good, man. So we, as usual, start out with a discussion of some of the highlights of what we've been watching recently. And I think we've both been watching a lot of the same TV shows. Are you still hanging in there on some of those, like Preacher and Outcast?

Yeah, I'm not fully caught up in anything. thing. It's been kind of busy. I did watch a couple rewatches on a couple movies. Yeah? Rewatch Deadpool. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm rewatching it a second time. I'm not quite as high on it as I was before. But, you know, the first time I wasn't high on it, the first time is everybody else. I think it got a little overhyped for me.

Yeah, I felt the same thing. But, I mean, it's still a good movie. I'm interested in to see where they go next. Yeah, it's definitely worth the watch. I thought it got kind of silly at times. Yeah, but I think that's kind of the character, though. So that's to be expected with Deadpool, huh? Yeah. Second movie I rewatch was Ant Man.

I haven't seen that one yet. This is pretty high up on my Marvel list, as far as the movies that came out. It's just a fun movie. Right. You know, I love Paul Rudd. Oh, I do too, man. He's great in comedy roles, and he can actually be pretty serious, too. I've seen him in a few dramas lately.

Yeah, he mixes it up pretty good as far as the comedy and then, you know, the action that comes with a superhero movie. Okay. And I'm really interested in the sequel, which is already titled Ant Man and the Wasp. Really? Tell me about that. I haven't heard a thing about it. Yeah, you've seen the movie, right? I have not seen Ant Man. Okay, a little bit of spoilers here. The daughter of the original Ant Man,

they pretty much hinted that she was going to be taking over for her mother. Okay. Her parents were the original Ant Man and Wasp. So they kind of gave a little spoiler there that, you know, she's going to be picking up where her mother left off. So we'll see her in full costume in the, the Ant Man and the Wasp. Cool.

So, but that's pretty much all I checked out. So for you, that's a slow week. Pretty much. Well, I'm still hanging in there with Preacher. I'm enjoying that one. And I've actually watched a couple of, a couple of other shows on Netflix that, you know, as you know, a couple of weeks ago,

we did the Star Trek Beyond show. Yeah. So I've been really digging into a lot of, Next Generation going back and watching a lot of the Next Gen episodes. It's actually really funny because the other movie that we covered when we did

Star Trek Beyond was, if you'll recall, we did Enemy Mine. Yes. And there was actually an episode of Next Generation I watched that is called Darmok. And it's a very similar story. I thought it was really interesting because there

There's a new race that the Federation comes in contact with that only speaks in metaphors. They don't have an actual language that can go through the universal translator. So, for example, this character keeps saying, Dharmak at Tanagra. Darmach at Tanagra. And they can't figure out what he's talking about. And he's actually referring to old stories in the history of this race. So rather than use a language, they have to take. everything in story or metaphor form.

And so long story short, this particular character and Picard are both beam down to the planet to try to work out their differences and they have to work together to try to defeat a common enemy. Sound a little bit familiar? Yes, it does. And it's a really hostile planet that's always kind of fighting back with them and everything. So actually kind of sounds a lot like the both movies that we talked about two weeks. ago. Yeah. I've been meaning to get back into the, because I used to watch the original series with my dad.

Right. And he was also a big fan of Next Generation. Yeah, next generation is very deep and cerebral. Yeah, and I've been meaning to check out. Do you recommend any of the series that are after that? Because I've never got into any of those. I think my favorite is overall is probably Deep Space Nine. Okay. I think it, told more of an ongoing story, kind of like a space opera type thing, where each episode sort of led into the next one, sort of like TV shows do today. Okay. So you got the original series, which was like super episodic, and basically like every single episode told its own story and that was it.

And next generation, by the time you start getting into the second season, you start, you know, finding some recurring characters and recurring themes and they actually refer back to things that happened prior. But yeah, by the time you get to Deep Space Nine, it's almost like, you know, one continuous story. So that's my favorite, but I can kind of see the merits of working up to it by watching, you know, every show over time. Okay.

So, yeah, my favorite of all the series is probably Deep Space Nine. Okay. So that's pretty much it. Just catching up on some TV stuff. I didn't really watch too many movies this week. So as with every show, it's time to take a little trip to the trailer park. We take a look at the big, the small, and sometimes the very, very weird. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week?

Our first new trailer to talk about is Into the Forest. Yes, I saw that. Yes, this trailer, or I mean, excuse me, this movie stars Ellen Page, Evan Rachel Wood and it is directed by Patricia Rosemont, if I'm pronouncing that right. Okay. What did you think about this trailer?

Well, I hadn't really heard about this movie and that kind of surprises me because Ellen Page is almost an A-list actress at this point. And Evan Rachel Wood has been in quite a bit also. So a little bit surprised to hear about this. one and I really enjoyed it man I really thought from looking at the trailer that it was kind of one of those you know into the world type things that it almost kind of

reminded me a little bit of like a zombie apocalypse in certain places they weren't showing zombies but it was kind of a lot of the same concepts of people you know communication falling out and people not knowing what to do but yeah I got I got a creepy vibe from it what do you think yeah I kind of got that too From what I'm looking, Ellen Page is also a producer on this movie. And yeah, from what I'm looking at the plot, this happens in the not too distant future. Two young women who live in a remote ancient forest struggle to survive in an isolated country house after a massive contingent wide power outage. So, yeah, it kind of looks like, you know, some end of the world type stuff.

Right. Hey man Everybody always loves a good end of the world story You know Yeah I'm probably gonna go ahead and check the one out Yeah it looked It looked like it was worth watching

I kind of got that indie film vibe from it That it was probably like super low budget And more of a labor of love Yeah Yeah definitely Definitely look like fun As Philip would do He would tell us the Rotten Tomato score

Right It's already got an 80 percent rating based on 15 reviews. Oh, okay. So somebody's seen it. Definitely encouraging. So Ellen Page, she's got quite a history in a lot of science fiction and maybe somewhat horror movies.

Do you ever check out the movie that she was in with Patrick Wilson called Hard Candy? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that movie kind of messes with you. No doubt. Yeah, but, you know, no, of course, our favorite thing to say not to give spoilers out, but... Well, this one's over a year, so we're saying... Yeah, his character definitely deserved.

I'm telling you, man, after that movie, I could not watch that dude for such a long time, man. How do you feel about his acting? I know there's a lot of people I hear say he's underrated, but then I hear other people don't really like a lot of the roles he's in. I'm coming around, dude. Yeah. Big time. Big time because he's got such range.

You know, he can be the dirtiest, nastiest, most evil scumbag. And then he can go out and play a part like he did in The Conjuring 2. Yeah, one of our friends over at the binge cast didn't really like his role. Okay. Do you remember who? Nah, not off the top of my head. Yeah, they had a problem with the scene where he was playing the guitar. Yeah, I remember hearing that. Was that Mr. Four on Ten by any chance that said that? You know, I don't know.

Because that would kind of be right up his alley. Yeah, I've always thought he, I've always enjoyed him in his movies. Yeah, me too. Might have been Jim Law that said that actually. But I thought the scene was fine. You know, he was trying to comment. everybody down and seen a guitar and played a song. Dude, he was, you know where he really sold me, though, was Fargo. Yes.

Yes, definitely. That's where he turned me around. And he was good in Bone Tomahawk. Yep. So, yeah, oh, and you probably haven't seen this. It is on Netflix. But did you happen to see a movie he was in where he was a limo driver? It's called Stretch.

Yeah. You have seen it? Yes. He was really good in. that man yeah he's like you know i i'm i'm more on the side of he's you know underrated yeah me too i could see him winning a winning a winning a best best actor oscar one day so he's uh probably in line like you know he's he's still behind people like idris elba and brian cranston but i could definitely see it happening within the next 10 years for sure yeah i'm just pulling up a couple

you know of course uh i liked them in the first in the first insidious movie movie. I forgot he was in Watchman. Who did he play in Watchman? He was a, what was the character? Night owl. Yeah. Okay, I do remember that. He was a believable superhero to me. Well, the thing about the Watchman is those were all superheroes that had very human weaknesses, you know?

Yes. What I think turned me off, I hate to say it, but, and I guess it's actually a, it's a feather in his cap for me to say this, but after seeing him in Hard Candy, I just could not watch him without feeling like I needed to take a bath afterwards. Yeah, it's just, there's, sometimes the actors and actresses

play a character so good that you just, when you see them, you don't like them. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Like I, uh, get off a little, you know, we, well, we're kind of off topic anyway. Uh, that's what this show's all about sometimes. Penelope Cruz. Uh,

you know her? I don't, I don't, I don't care for her, Yeah, her role in blow. Really, I couldn't stand her after that. Right. You know, willing to basically trade her daughter for cash and, you know, was one of the reasons why Johnny Depp's character, you know, got sent to prison. Right. You know, I couldn't stand her after that.

You know what? I hate to sound so shallow, but I think the reason that I don't care for that much is because I like my women with a little bit of meat on them. Oh, absolutely. She's a little on the thin side. That's what I would say. So back to Into the Woods. Yeah, I'm going to check it out when it comes out. It definitely looks interesting.

The whole end of the world thing, you know, you never know what you can expect in those type of movies. Moving on to our next trailer is Mechanic Resurrection. Yes. Jason Statham. Yes, sir. Never seen him. in a role I didn't like him and I can tell you that right now. Yeah, I'm, you know, I'm already going to say right away, I'm going to watch it. I'm a sucker for his movies. No doubt. No matter what,

you know? Yeah, and I enjoyed the first one. Nothing wrong with Jessica Alba either, huh? Oh, no. Definitely not. This also has Tommy Lee Jones in it. Ah, yes, I noticed that. And I don't know if you know her, Michelle, Michelle, Al, from, uh, doesn't ring a bell. Have you seen, What is it? C crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I saw it and was bored to tears. Okay. She's... She showed up in a lot of martial arts flicks.

Okay. I always enjoy her when she's in the movie. You know, she's a good martial artist. Right. Believable in the movies, too. So she's in this also. I'm looking at her IMDB. It said that she was a ballet dancer since the age of four.

So she's a martial artist and a ballet dancer and an actress. Yeah, I believe she was also in one of the Pierce Brosnan James Bond movies. Tomorrow Never Dies. Yes. So... Didn't care as much for the Brosnan era, but, you know, James Bond is still James Vaughn. You know what? Speaking on the James Bond, I actually didn't mind the Timothy Dalton ones. Yeah, I mean, like I say, anything that's James Bond

is still James Bond at the end of the day, you know? Yeah, I was just thinking about that. You know, I've been trying to catch up on, what is it, Penny Dreadful. That's right. And he's in that series. And I really enjoy, especially, I believe it, the Living Daylights. Okay.

I thought he was fine in that one. And, you know, he only got a couple movies before they went on to Pierce Brasden. And I never really cared for any of those. Right. They seemed a little on the goofy side, kind of. Like I said, Jason Statham, you know, Jason Statham action movie, I'm there, I'm watching it. Hey, it looked good to me, man.

Anytime I can watch a trailer and it's, you know, it's as much fun as watching a movie, I'm going to be into that no matter what. It's definitely not one of those, like, a few we talked about before where we're like, what the fuck happened in that trailer? I couldn't get a feel for what the movie was about. Yeah.

This one's pretty much straight up. Hits you right in the jaw. And there's no doubt what this movie's about. And I think with this kind of movie, you can do that. Because, you know, you can pretty much tell what the story is in the trailer. Right. Because you go to this movie for the action. You go to see Jason Statham kick ass.

Mm-hmm. Makes sense, yeah. Yeah, I'm all in this movie. What is your favorite of his movies? Uh, of the state of movies. Um, yeah. You know what? That's, that's a tough question, dude.

I mean, do you, do you have a favorite? A straight up favorite? It's kind of hard to say. Yeah, I would have to go with the original transporter. Well, I mean, that's kind of what he's probably best known for, right? Yeah. I like him in the, in the, in the fast and furious movies. Yeah, I really hope, because you've seen, you've seen most of them, right?

I've seen all of them. Okay. I really hope they bring his brother back in the next one. Do you think they can do that? Yeah, they never said he died. Well, we know he's alive because he's in a maximum security prison, right? Yeah, and in the beginning of the movie, you see his brother in the hospital when he goes and visits him. I would like to see, you know, because they were, they are putting a lot of people into this movie, this next Fast and Furious.

Oh, sure. Yeah, they get to be more and more people. every time. Yeah, because you got Charlize Theron as the villain. Right. Have you heard of Helen Mairns in this movie? Well, that doesn't surprise me too much. I think, actually, I think I heard you mention that before.

Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see where they go with his character in the movie. Yeah, I like a lot of his just kind of stand-alone movies that he does, where he's just kind of like an every-man type character. Yeah. Because he does tend to do a lot of smaller budget movies where it's just, it's just, it's, it's just sort of like him and he's uh he's in a situation where he just is able to help somebody else out or rescue somebody and he just seems like i mean again maybe it's just acting but just always seems like he's kind of one of those uh you know real wholesome kind of people that has a

good soul and a good heart yeah another movie i really enjoyed of his was you ever seen safe uh yeah of course i really enjoyed that one i that one kind of i didn't know anything about it It was just, you know, one of those. Yeah, that's one of the ones I'm referring to where he kind of has to protect someone who's innocent. Do you enjoy any of the expendable movies? For what they are. Okay. You know, did you, what did you think of the third one?

You know what? No comment, really, because, I mean, the expendables is what it is. Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's, you know, garbage in, garbage out, popcorn stuff. but, you know, at the same time, I guarantee you I'm going to watch every single one of them. They could do expendables 27, and I'd still be watching them.

Absolutely. You know? How do you feel about Stallone saying that the fourth one is going to be R-rated? No comment. Okay. Moving on. Okay. Our next and final trailer is sausage party.

Now, wait a minute. We're a horror movie podcast. Oh, there is, if you watch this trailer, there is some horrific things happening, especially to, especially to some baby carrots. Yeah, right. I don't know, man. I can tell you this, I will, I will see the movie. Yes. Which trailer did you watch? Did you watch the Red Band trailer or? I definitely watched the Red Band trailer. Every other word was the F word. Okay, so if nobody's seen or heard about this movie, do not take your children to see this movie

even though it's a cartoon right yes looking at the cast here we got Seth Rogan Kristen Whig Jonah Hill Bill Hader Michael Sarah

James Franco Danny McBride Craig Robinson Paul Rudd Nick Crowle David I don't know if I said his last name right the last two really surprised me we got Edward Norton and Salma Hayek are also in this movie. Why not?

Yes. Why not? Screenplay by Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg, which they've worked together a whole bunch. Yeah, they're doing Preacher right now. Yeah, this movie looks hilarious. Yeah, absolutely, dude. I have two words for this movie. Why not?

Yes. Right? Yeah, I mean, when I heard he was doing this movie, this movie before they even said what the premise was, I thought this movie was going to be something completely different. Really? Yeah, when I heard Seth Rogan is doing a movie called Sausage Party. Okay. I thought they were going somewhere else with this movie.

What were you expecting? Well, I think everybody knows what the term, you know, if you've got a bunch of dudes around and you say you've got a sausage party going on. Sure. Yeah, that's where I thought this movie was going. So you thought it was going to be a live action movie, not a cartoon? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, this movie looks hilarious.

You thought maybe that it was going to be like another fraternity movie or something like that? Yeah. Like possibly, you know, with a lot of dudes that, you know, maybe he's in a situation. He didn't think he was going to be in. Right. They're just sitting around waiting for the chicks to show up at the party or something. Yeah. So.

Yeah, but like I said, this movie looks hilarious, and I'm definitely going to go check it out. Yeah, I don't know if I'll pay 10 bucks to see it in the movie theater. I think I will. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I really, you know, there's certain movies where I feel like when he has more hands-on into it, I enjoy. No pun intended with a sausage party reference. Like, this is the end. I really enjoyed that movie.

Right. And, like, you know, his older ones, like, super bad. Oh, yeah, that was a classic. Yeah, which that movie was basically written about him and his friend. But they were too old to play the parts at the time when they were able to make the movie. Okay. So, you know, like, you know, movies where he, you can tell he's really put a lot into it. I think they're going to make this a funny movie.

And I'm going to check it out. Yeah, we're going to do things a little bit different here on our last retrospective. we kind of went through upcoming movies for next year. We're going to go through upcoming TV shows for the fall. Oh, cool. All right. Okay, this list is in no order. And some of these we don't have a release date on, so bear with us.

The first TV show is 24 Legacy. Yes. Is this the return of Jack Bauer? Yes, I see his name on the cast. I don't think Bauer's in it. as the main protagonist, though, right? Yeah, because I'm in the casting list, his name is last. So he might just, it might just be cameos here and there.

Man, I'll tell you what, I've always enjoyed 24. Have you seen all of them? No, I haven't seen all of them. It's been on the docket, so. Right. This one is coming out, actually, a little bit later, like early next year, actually, from what I just found out, February 5th. Ah, okay, cool.

So one of those mid-season replacement things? Let's move on to the next one that looked pretty interesting that I've heard about before. I haven't heard a lot. Emerald City. Emerald City. What the heck is that? It's supposed to be a dark, edgy reimagining of the Land of Oz book series. It's supposed to be like a darker.

Yes. I've heard about this because originally from what I've heard, they were going to do a movie. Okay. But they thought it would be better for a series. It was going to be like a darker version, a more adult version of Oz, which I can kind of get behind. Right.

Because, you know, there's, there's some scary elements in the original Oz movie. Oh, yeah, for sure. And if you ever seen the sequel return to Oz. Is that the animated one? No, it was a live action one. Okay. It kind of creeped me out when I was a kid. Really?

You know, they had a queen in there that would change her head. She had different heads. I think from other her victims, she was able to change her heads. And, you know, they had just other, like, creepy elements. You know, I don't want to give too much. I mean, it is an old movie, but not too many people have seen it. It's definitely, eyes can have some creepy moments. I mean, I'm not talking about the newer one.

that one wasn't that great. You're talking about the James Franco movie? Yeah, I was very... I was the great and powerful or whatever. Yeah, I was disappointed, especially that being a Sam Ramey movie. I thought the special effects were pretty good. Yeah, it looked great. It's just, I didn't...

Maybe it was James Franco as, you know... Could have very well been. Yeah. How do you feel about this one? I will definitely check it out. I heard a little bit about some rumors about it, but that was like, shit, man, four or five years ago. I mean, is this the same project? It could be.

You know, sometimes things get shelved. Right. I'm looking at the casting. It's already got me intrigued. Vincent Dinoffrio is playing Oz. You're kidding. The Kingpin. Yes, I love Vincent Dinoffrio.

No. Shit. Okay. It doesn't, I don't see a release date, but that one definitely got me a little intrigued. All right. Well, I mean, if it's coming out like midseason, like you said, then it's probably only going to be like 13 episodes or something. So, yeah, I'll give it a shot. Movie, or not a movie, I'm sorry, a trailer we've seen before that's based on a movie. Right. The Exorcist.

No, thank you. You're still not into it. No, thank you. I'm kind of interested to see where they take it. My rule usually with shows is I give it about two or three episodes. Well, if you're insistent and you want us to watch it for the show, then I will tell you this. Everybody who's listening to here, audience, go ahead and write this down.

I will check it out. If you want to watch it together, I'll check out at least the first two episodes with you. Fair enough. Okay, that's fair. I'll give it a shot. The only one thing I have a problem with is it's going to be on Fox. I thought this would have been something that would have been on FX. Well, the following was on Fox, and it was pretty damn good.

Yeah, but, I mean, I didn't watch all of it, but I heard near the end, it kind of got a little stale there near the end. Yeah, I'd say it fell apart. I just think they missed a big opportunity with it. They went down some roads that I think if they'd gone a different way, they could have kept the show going. But I'm going to give it a little chance. Okay. You know, I've been surprised by shows before.

Sure. One, I probably won't watch, but we'll talk about it anyways. Based on one of my favorite action movies, lethal weapon. Oh, no. Have you seen the trailer today? Yeah, this is the one with, no, in full disclosure, I haven't seen the trailer, dude. I don't know. Maybe you should watch it for a last.

I don't know. I don't know who this guy is. He's playing the Martin Riggs role that Mel Gibson played. That Claim Crawford or whatever? Yeah, he's missing the mark completely on what Mel Gibson did. You know, when you watch Martin Riggs, you think this guy is, he can go over the edge any minute. Right. And I don't feel that with this guy.

It kind of seems like a watered, goofy. version of that character, like, for TV. I'll tell you this. I'm looking at the description right now, and it looks like one of the producers is Mick G. Well, did you ever see the TV show Chuck? No. I really enjoyed Chuck, man.

But isn't he the one that did Terminator Salvation? He was involved in it, I'm afraid, yes. He was involved in it. And another thing that drives me crazy is they casted Damon Wayans. Yes. As, uh, were you telling me about that? Again,

I don't, I don't get, I don't get it. Right. And if he does the line that I'm too old for this shit, I'm not going to, I'm going to lose my mind. Because at that point,

you're done, huh? Yes, I'll probably, I mean, I'll watch the first episode, but I think if I keep continue watching the show, it's going to be for laughs.

might be the wrong reason to watch it. Another show actually is a reboot. Moreno over at the binge cast talks about this show quite often. McGiiver? Yes. Yeah, I think I'll pass. Yeah, I don't recognize.

The only one I recognize is I'm assuming he's going to play McGiver, Lucas Till. Okay. He's in the X-Men movies. Is he in a game? good. He's all right and he doesn't do much in the X-Men. You've seen the newer ones, right?

I have not seen the newest, but I have definitely seen, let's see, so I saw, what was it first class? Yeah, he plays havoc. Okay, well, I passable as far as I can tell, because I really enjoyed that movie. I don't know. I guess watch the original one instead of this one. Yeah, maybe. I mean,

The original one to me lost its, you know, lost its luster after a couple of episodes, quite frankly. Okay. But, you know, that's just me. I don't know. I don't know how this one will do. I've not heard a lot about it. Right. I haven't heard a lot about it since they announced that it was getting a reboot,

so I don't know pretty much what to say about it. Unfortunately, there may be a reason for that. Yeah. Midnight, Texas. Yeah, I heard about this, but what in the hell is Midnight, Texas? The premise says here that it is based on a book trilogy by True Blood author Charlene Harris, I believe her, the name is. The drama is set in a titicula town, which is populated with vampires,

which is werewolves, psychics, and hitmen who band together against outsiders. Yeah, you guys enjoy this one. I read the first half of her first book in the True Blood series. Okay. And I threw that fucking book down, ran out kicking and screaming. I couldn't stand it. It was the typical almost teeny bopper, real, you know, immature type love triangle story that you hear so much, kind of like Twilight and all that kind of garbage.

Yeah, to be honest, I've never even seen the show. True blood. You know what? I haven't either. Because when I, you know, when I started reading the book and I really enjoy vampire fiction. Yeah. But this thing was a piece of crap, in my opinion. I just didn't get anywhere on it.

So I think I will skip on Midnight, Texas. Okay. Moving on to the next one, I believe. There's a show I've heard, but I haven't heard too much about, is, powerless. Yeah, that's like the DC characters, but they don't have any actual powers, or

they're kind of like stupid powers or something like that. Yeah, let me read the premise. It's the DC Comics Workplace Company focuses on insurance adjusters who look out for the regular people who have to cover the damage costs by superheroes.

You know what? I'm looking at who's in it, and you had me at Danny Pudi and Alan Tidic. Yes. And if that super, super hot Vanessa Hudgens is in it, you bet your ass I'm going to give this one a try. Yeah, and as far as her acting,

you know, she's fine. I've never had a problem with anything I've seen her in. Right. So and, um, hey, this can be really funny man. Yeah, it could. It sounds similar to a Marvel TV show that I heard is coming out. Uh, kind of like

damage control or something like that? Yeah, because this one has to do with the insurance adjusters. Okay. The other Marvel one has to do with the people that actually go out and clean up. Yeah. So it'll be interesting if these shows come out around the same time. Moving on to where, oh, go ahead.

Yeah, I'm not, no, I was just going to say I'm not a sitcom guy at all. As a matter of fact, I don't think there's a single sitcom I watch nowadays. But with this cast, I'll absolutely give this one to try. Yeah, I'm not really either. It has to reach me in a certain way. Like me and my daughter, we watch the Goldbergs. That one gets me because it's based on the 80s. Right.

And growing up in the 80s, and there's a lot of references to movies and toys and music that kind of, you know, it gets to me. So it has to have something that, you know, gets me to tune in because, you know, there's a whole bunch of other shows, you know, you could be watching. A lot of competition for your, attention span.

Yeah, and most sitcoms on network TV, you know, they never last long. Oh, yeah, they're terrible, right? That's one I enjoy, you know, it's already been through like three seasons, so. Cool. Well, it's going to stick around for a... It's no married with children, though, is it? No, it's more family, family-oriented. So, moving on to the next one is one I've seen, but I haven't really watched the whole series is prison break.

Yes. Man, dude. You want to talk about a little bit about this? Yeah, prison break is one of the tightest, most well-written and well-acted TV shows that I've seen in a long time. It's pretty much perfect. It's spot on the way they do four different seasons, and each season focuses on a different arc, story arc. So you've got the first season where the guy is wrongfully imprisoned,

and his brother, who's a genius, by the way, and an engineer, he purposely gets himself put into the same exact prison so he can devise a scheme to break his innocent brother out. So the first season focuses on that. So, you know, that in and of itself is a self-contained story, and, you know, they get out, of course. Second season involves what they do after they get out. and there's some other storylines and characters

where some people are trying to find a fortune that they hid and they have to go through a lot of trouble to try to dig it up and find it because things aren't the way they were when they went into prison so they have to deal with like new houses being built in that area and people there and stuff like that. The third season was kind of like when they... You remember that year when they had the rider strike

and most of the seasons were short? Yes. So it was probably like a 13th. or a 15 episode season, but they actually went to a foreign prison. So our boys were actually locked away in like a Mexican prison. That was interesting. And then the fourth one tied everything together,

and it revealed a big conspiracy that they had to battle and stuff like that. And, you know, good guys became bad guys. Bad guys became good guys. And it was just a really rich show with a lot of great, a great ensemble cast and good kids. characters. But I've got to tell you, I'm a little nervous about this because they ended the fourth season perfectly, like right on point. And I'm reading here that there may be someone who died at the end of the fourth season that maybe wasn't actually dead. That makes me really

nervous. Yeah, I didn't really get into the show. I mean, I've always wanted to go back and check it out. So I'm going to get caught up because I've heard a lot of good things about prison break. Oh, it's a great show, man. It's one of those that I would, I would, because a lot of the times on my lunch break, I'll watch a, you know, a 45-minute or a one-hour TV show and sit at my desk and eat. Uh-huh. And this was one of those that I would kind of like watch.

And then it's like basically every single day of the week I'd watch another episode because I couldn't wait to see what was going to happen next. I mean, it really sucked you in that much. Just one of the best written shows on TV I've seen in a while. Kind of reminded me of the early days of lost a little bit. Okay. But I'm nervous now as I'm reading through this synopsis because I'm afraid they're going to screw everything up

and just basically say everything that happened in the seasons 2 through 4 weren't real or something. It does say reboot, so. That bothers. me but you know what i they they've earned enough of my respect that i'm going to give it a try for at least you know five or six episodes okay moving on to the next one is uh based on a classic comic book i don't know if i'll check this one out uh riverdale based on the archie comic books what yes oh come on i don't recognize any of the actors or actresses except for luke Perry. Is he a teacher?

Because that dude's old by now. There's no way he can be archie or jug have, right? Yeah, it does. As far as I know, he's not playing any of those main characters. Oh, man. I'll tell you one thing. If Betty and Veronica are as hot in the show as they were in the comics, I'll watch it. Is it on HBO or something where we might see some titties? No, we'll probably, we're going to catch it on the CW with the flash and arrow. Moving on Moving on to the next one There's another show I probably won't even give it a chance

It's a show based on a movie Taken Ah, the Liam Neeson movies Yes Why in the fuck would they do that? Because They can, I don't know Because the taken movies keep making money

How quickly can we move on to the next? one. Right away with time after time. Time after. Now, is this based on the film? Yes, it is. You're kidding. This is the H.G. Wales time machine. Yeah. Do you want to go ahead and talk a little bit about that? Yeah, for sure. This is based on that, right? The 79 Nicholas Meyer movie?

Yes, it is. H.G. Wales is going after Jack the Ripper. And he goes from the 18th century to modern day to pursue him. And he falls in love along the way. This is a great movie, dude. If the TV show is going to be the same basic premise, I'm all in. It seems, it says, based on a novel and movie, the fantasy cat and mouse game features H.D. Wells,

who's transported to present-day Manhattan to capture Jack the Ripper. Yeah, so it seems like it's based... Yes! I'm all in, dude. I don't care if this is, and you know what, I gave up anything that's 20 or more episodes in the season. I went out of my way to give up, so I'd no longer watch network TV shows. But this one is going to have me. I guarantee you I'm going to at least give it the first season.

Okay. It was that good of the movie. Based on what you said, I have not seen the movie, but I will check the movie out now. Right. Yeah, you'll enjoy, that Nicholas Meyer was known for, directing a lot of the Star Trek movies. Okay. So I think you'll probably enjoy his style quite a bit.

Okay. That seems like one to check out. Cool. The next one is timeless. Another time travel show, right? Yes. The premise is a trio of tasks, a trio is tasked with traveling through time to catch a criminal who stole a time machine that could catastrophically alter history. Well, see These assholes are going to make me a liar

Because I said I was giving up these regular network shows But this also sounds very interesting Yeah, I can't figure I've seen recently I've seen a teaser trailer of a TV show I don't know if it's the other one that we just talked about Time After Time or if it's this one And it really

It really looked like it was worth checking out Yeah, it seems like it's going to be a big year for time travel stories, huh? Yes. I'll give it a shot. Yeah, I'll give this one a shot. This one actually does say premiere date October 3rd. Okay, we don't have to wait too long then. No.

Moving on to the next one is another TV show based on a movie, is Training Day. The premise seems to be based on the movie pretty much. Apparently it says it's a reboot. It picks up 15 years later. Okay. And it says, picks up 15 years later and revolves around a young idealistic LAPD officer who is partnered with a morally questionable detective. And that detective is played by Bill Paxton. Not bad.

Not bad. I'll give that a shot, man. Yeah, with it saying Bill Paxton, that kind of got me hooked right there. Oh, yeah, for sure. that one is another one that seems like it's a definitely at least check out you know first couple episodes on that one see how it goes oh i'm in man yeah if if if paxton's in it it's worth to try and i believe um i might i could be wrong but i believe anton fouqua was the director of the movie that name's really familiar yeah he's uh he's done a few things it says here he um i believe he directed the movie he's also it's also it's

He says he's going to be a producer on the TV show. Okay. Along with a name you probably recognize, Jerry Bruckheimer. Of course. Cool. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like there's a few shows worth checking out this season there. Yeah, and a couple of ones that everybody's already heard that's coming back is, of course, Walking Dead, Fear of the Walking Dead. Salem's coming back this fall.

If anybody's watching Salem, I really enjoy Salem. Yeah, me too. I think if anybody's seen the witch, I think they'll enjoy Salem. That makes a lot of sense. The two kind of go hand at hand. Yeah, and of course, American Horror Stories coming back. They said they're going to make some changes. You know, a lot of people didn't really dig the last season.

Right. So they said there's going to be some changes made. So I'm kind of interested to see what kind of changes are made as far as that go. Yeah, me being kind of one of them. but I really, really hated the freak show season. I thought last season was a little bit better than that, at least. Yeah, I had said it before. I really enjoyed Lady Gaga on the show.

I thought she kind of brought something new to it. All right, well, and most people obviously did. I mean, she won an award, but I got to tell you, I didn't care for her that much. Yeah, I can't. It's just me, I guess. I think they could have done away with her character maybe sooner. Right. Instead of, you know, she was, you know, pretty, I don't want to get into spoilers, but I think if they kind of maybe shortened up her whole story arc, it probably would have been a little bit better.

Yeah, they kind of dragged it out a little bit, didn't they? Yeah. Of course, as we had talked about a few episodes ago, Loop Cage on Netflix coming soon. Yep, looking forward to that. And I think that is pretty much it. All right, cool. So, you know, we're not doing our regular format tonight. We're not going to do the featured attractions and compare a newer and older in film.

Instead, we're going to do the second in a series of retrospectives. We'll be doing these retrospectives from time to time. You know, probably trying to average about 10 a year. So maybe not every single month, but maybe close to it. and of course we're not going to only do directors at some point we're going to do retrospectives of actors and actresses that have been big in horror, certain producers such as of course Roger Corman, people like that

but for this one we decided to go with another director right Brian? Yes. And who did we pick this time? Wes Craven. Wes Craven. So he started his career, it looks like in 1972 with the last house on the left. Did you see that one? I've seen it once.

I've probably seen the remake a little bit more than that one. Okay. I do kind of actually enjoy the remake. This was one of those movies that was parents getting revenge on the killers of their child, right? Yes. This movie was a little controversial when it came out. Sure. You know, people thought it was a little too explicit.

Yeah, I enjoy the premise of the movie. know, sometimes you just got a fight back. I liked it. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I would say that it was a pretty good start for an upstart director, you know, to have a, to have a, you know, fairly solid film. Obviously, it was low budget. As we would say now, a little bit cheesy. It did come out in 1972. But a solid movie, for sure. He followed that up with the hills have eyes. Now, have you seen the original?

Yeah, I didn't really dig this one that much. Right. Of course, is going to be a trend with his movies. A lot of his movies have been remade. So far, we're two for two in that category. I actually do like the remake to this one. I thought it was a very well-made remake from Alexander Aja. That's what I was thinking.

I thought that was an AJA movie. What is the premise? Family gets attacked by... Well, you know, it was just like a road trip type movie where a family was going out, and I think they were driving through the desert, like in the areas where they used to do nuclear testing. Okay.

And there were these hidden mutant families that were the victims of our government's nuclear testing that they did out there. And I guess they had... their own little society. The way they survived was by kidnapping and I think eating the travelers that would come through.

So kind of a silly concept really, but I enjoyed it. Yeah, it was a good flick. I'm with you. I think I like the remake better actually. Yeah, Alexander

Aja does a really good job. Another movie he did that I really enjoyed was Piranha 3D. Very good. good. Very, very fun. Yeah, he does a good job when he gets, I mean, someone, you know, called, you know, classic horror

flicks, you know, old school horror flicks. Right. And he really does a good job of making them more modern. Okay, and then we've got one that I haven't seen. Deadly Blessing, 1981. Did you check that one out? I have not seen that one. Yeah, the only standout on this one is I always remember that Sharon Stone was in it.

and it was like one of her first roles. But, man, I couldn't tell you anything about this one. I don't know what it was about or anything. Don't think it's got a lot of critical praise or anything. Well, what do you think about 1982's Swamp Thing? You know what? As a younger kid, this and the sequel return to Swamp Thing. I kind of actually watch these movies a lot.

It's a lot of fun, right? Yeah, I mean, they're, They're not the greatest movies, but like you said, they're fun to watch. You know, Swamp Thing's a fun character, which, you know, he's a part of this thing that they were trying to make that I guess it's not happening now. The Justice League Dark. Okay, I've heard of that. Sure. Yeah, it was a project Guillermo del Toro was putting together and is going to have Constantine and, you know, some other DC's more darker characters.

Okay. I like that. Kind of like the Suicide Squad a little bit. Yeah, but as of course, Guillermo, you know, leaves the project to go do one of his 500 other projects. Sure, sure. So last I heard they were going to make it into one of the DC animated movies. Okay.

Which kind of bums me out because, you know, I want to see Swamp Thing again, live action. Yeah, I had a lot of fun with this movie. You know, just like any red-blooded, American male at that age, I was really hoping Adrian Barbose's top would slip off or something. Mm-hmm. But, yeah, it was fun. I remember it pretty vividly. I enjoyed watching the movie.

Let's not forget Heather Locklear in the sequel. You know what? I don't think I've seen that one. Oh, it is the cheesiest movie ever. But like I said, it's Swamp Thing and Heather Locklear. So it's called like return of swamp thing? Yeah, I think it is return of swamp thing. Cool.

Well, after the original swamp thing, he followed it up with a... And this is a pretty quick turnaround for a sequel. Hills Have Eyes Part 2 in 1984. Have you seen this one? I actually never seen the sequel. You know what? I don't think I have either. I'm reading the synopsis.

It says a group of bikers heading to a race become stranded in the desert and find themselves fighting off a family of inbred cannibals who live off the land. Yeah, you know, probably check it out. Yeah, we should probably go back and watch this one for a future show, huh? I'll tell you what, he sure didn't waste any time after that coming out with his masterpiece. Mm-hmm, the nightmare on Elm Street. Yes, sir. Yes, sir, what did you think? It is one of the most iconic horror villains of all time.

And this is the original film, and there's none of this, you know, bastard son of 10,000 maniacs bullshit. Or any of this silly, you know, like turning somebody into a puppet and making them dance and that kind of crap. Or putting them in a video game and then, you know, using a joystick to make them, you know, walk into a monster that eats him in that kind of garbage. I mean, this is just straight up horror. Yes, this is. exactly what is in the title, a nightmare. And it's interesting of where the character came from. You know, he did research about people actually dying in their dreams.

Really? Yeah, and then the actual character is based on somebody, I guess, I don't know if I got the story correct, but it's somebody he used to see outside of his window across the street or something. What? And that's where he got the basis for the look of the character. I had no idea. Yeah, I mean, I could be wrong.

If anybody wants to correct me, go ahead. But that's what I heard, especially the look of Freddie Kruger came from, I guess, actual experience of seeing somebody or something like that. Okay. But the whole dying in the dream, I guess he said he had read some kind of story or something about people. I think that's where he got the whole basis of the whole dying in your dreams.

Well, you know what? Here's a perfect opportunity for us to, I think, it's been a while, we need to do a contest. Because I think the last time we gave anything away was a horror returns T-shirt to our 100th like on Facebook. So let's go ahead and extend it out there, man. If somebody can, whoever can email us at, what's our email address, Brian? It's the horror returns at gmail.com So if you can send us something having to do with the story of where West Craven's inspiration came from, you will be the proud recipient of a horror returns t-shirt. How about that?

Sound like the deal? That sounds amazing. Cool. All right. So we'll move on to the next movie and we'll let our listeners do the homework for us. Okay. So deadly friend, never seen it. Have you?

No, I haven't. Yeah, this is one of those kind of... Christy Swanson was in it. She's pretty hot. Yeah. Other than that, I don't see any names I recognize. Ann Ramsey. She was the old Battleax actress that you've probably seen her in a hundred different things,

but don't know much about that one. I think we can probably go ahead and move on. Yeah, we can move on. So the next one. All right. So the next one was one of my favorites. actually. A lot of people didn't like it that much. The serpent and the rainbow. What did you think about that?

Let me refresh my memory. This was the old school zombie movie. Okay. Bill Kuhlman actually went to study zombies in the Haitian culture. Yes, I have seen this one.

Yes. From what I remember, I enjoyed it. Yeah, there was a lot of this scared the fuck out of me, to be honest with you. you had that that tiny little Haitian voodoo priest that would blow the powder on him and he basically went completely still and couldn't move anything any muscle in his body and and they

buried him alive you remember that yes I remember that so that was that was one of my favorites and Bill Pullman he was in quite a few things in the 80s right a lot of people always get him confused with Bill Paxton. I've never had that problem. I think it's not as far as looks. I think the name Bill Pullman, Bill Paxton.

Right. Yeah, so Serpent and the Rainbow, like I said, that's probably one of my favorites that he's done. I just like the sense of dread in it. And it wasn't like totally over the top and cheesy. I just thought it was a nice, creepy little horror movie. Yeah, that is definitely one I'm going to have to do a rewatch on. It's been a while since I've seen that one. Yeah, I think you'll be glad you did.

So then we had Shocker the next year in 1989. And this was one that I call it Schlocker. Yeah. The special effects were so horrible in it. But what did you think? I remember this being a complete bomb for him. I think so, man. It was his first really shitty movie as far as fan reception went.

Yeah. Let me see what the budget in the box office. I don't know if it was a complete bomb by looking at it. The budget was $5 million and the box office was $16.6 million. Well, I'll take that any day of the week. Yeah. But I just remember hearing about it just being a complete bomb back in the day. And yeah, it was cheesy.

The special effects weren't that great. I think I might have actually seen it here recently. it might have been on TV. Right. It's not great. I think he's actually, before he had passed, I think he actually said he wanted to redo the movie himself. But yeah, I don't remember this movie being any good at all.

Well, after this one, I think you redeemed himself. This is another one that's kind of controversial. You've got a lot of haters. But I really, really enjoyed the people under the state. from 1991. Absolutely. The haters can hate. I've loved this movie

from when it came out, and we will be talking about it here in the future. Very good. Cool. So yeah, you want to go over the synopsis real quickly?

There is some people that are basically collecting money from the neighborhoods, you know, overcharging rent, you know. Slong words. Yeah, pretty much.

And this kid and his I believe it's her sister's boyfriend, which is played by Vingrams. Okay. And another guy decided to go rob these people. And there seems to be a lot of mystery about what goes on in the house and the people that actually live in the house. And they break in and they kind of get themselves into a whole lot of trouble. I just remember this movie as a kid. I really, really enjoyed this movie.

Oh, yeah. I loved it. The final scene at the end when all the money was falling down out of the sky and people were just grabbing dollar bills. Yes, and just not noticing the people under the stairs just walking around. Right. I mean, just the way they looked, I mean, you can't not notice them. The actor and actress that played the brother and sister, they were pretty creepy in this movie. Yeah, you're talking about the guy who dressed up as a gimp?

Yeah, they also kind of had an incest. thing kind of going. Kind of like a Lanister family tradition type thing. Yeah, because there was parts of the movie. Like, if you had just turned the movie on at that part, you would assume they were husband and wife. Right. But they were actually brother and sister.

Yeah, and didn't they call each other like mother and father or something weird like that? Yeah, something like that. And then back to Freddie. 1994, Wes Craven went back into the director's seat. Thank goodness. Yes. Took control of Freddie again with new nightmare.

What did you think about that one? This was a welcome return to the series. For sure. Loved everything about the movie. I loved the look, the new look of Freddy. You mean with the strange five-figured claw instead of the glove? Yeah, and the trench code. Right.

It was just a fresh take on the character. And I think the only one who could do a fresh take on the character was the man himself, West Craven. Yeah, this movie was meta before people knew what meta meant. So I think very well done and extremely creepy. And I saw this one in the theater. Did you? I don't remember if I seen it in the theater. I might have because for some reason I clearly remember seeing Freddy's Dead in the theater

when they had the whole 3D thing going on with that movie. That was horrible. Yeah, so I'm pretty sure I've seen this one in the theater. So speaking of horrible, his next movie, you may have a different opinion than I do, but what do you think about Vampire and Brooklyn? We can move on from this one. So then he went on to scream. Not to diss Eddie Murphy too much, but that was shit.

Again, going back to the binge cast, they were just talking about recently, I don't know how many episodes back, but the decline of Eddie Murphy? and this perhaps this is one of the perhaps he deserves his own sale and movie jail yeah definitely

because he makes shit now and this movie was I mean it could have been good you know a West Craven vampire movie

right this movie's horrible so you know we can move on it was it was definitely refreshing in 1996

when he came out with a little movie called Scream I kind of feel like he brought back to Slashor movie. A lot of iconic things from this movie. The line, what's your favorite scary movie? Right.

And another thing I always liked about this movie is they broke down the rules of a scary movie. Yes. I don't know. The series got kind of little, I like two. But then as they went on, they just kind of got a little too much with, you know, Who was the ghost face killer? You know, who was, you know. Well, I do know what you're saying.

And actually, after Scream, I think we can go through the next three movies really quickly. So you had Scream 2, and like you said, that was a definite down-tick from the quality. After Scream 2, music of the heart, have you ever seen that one? No, I have not. Okay, this falls out of the category of WTF. Okay. So you've got a movie directed by West Craven starring Merrill Street. Huh.

And she's, I guess she's like a teacher, a school teacher. Okay. And she is teaching inner city students how to play violin. Okay. I think it might be based on a true story. At least one would assume. Was this something like he was trying to do different things or something? You know what?

If so, this was the only one he did out of character. Because every other thing he's done was horror. I don't get it, man. I just don't get it. Where did this come from? Yeah, was this some kind of passion project or something? You know what? I have no idea, man.

Did he owe somebody a favor? That's probably closer to. of the truth right there. Okay. Moving on, Scream 3, you know, like you said, we don't really need to talk about it again. It was kind of, it wasn't this the matter one where there was a scream, but there was also another movie that they were filming that was similar to that or based on it? Stab or something. You're right, yes. Stab 3.

So, you know, I mean, fun to watch, but definitely nothing he'll really be remembered for. 2005. So he took a five-year hiatus from directing. Did you know that? Yeah, now looking at his list, yeah. Cursed. I really enjoyed that. I thought it was a neat little werewolf movie. Was this the one with what is her name? Christina Ricci? Could be. I know it was a, I know it was a werewolf movie. I remember that. I don't specifically remember her being in it.

Okay, I pulled it up. It's Christina Ricci and Jesse Eisenberg. Okay. So, yeah, I remember this wasn't, yeah, I didn't hate this movie. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it. Right. Next, next one. Oh, I enjoy this one.

Red Eye. Yeah, I really like this one, too. That was a good one. Killion Murphy. Very, very menacing villain. Yeah, I think he's another underrated actor. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I kind of, when he plays these villainous roles.

Sure. I know I'm going to get a good performance. when I, especially when he's kind of not playing a good guy. Mm-hmm. I just, I just know I'm going to get a good performance from him. Well, I enjoy, I always enjoy seeing, and my wife could attest to this, but I never have any problem seeing Rachel McAdams and anything. She was actually one of the small good parts of, uh, season two of, uh, true detective.

True detective. Yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't make it through that one, man. Season 2 didn't get me. Very, very tough. So we're getting close to the end of his career, which is a very sad thing to say, actually, because we lost him way too early. What did you think about my soul to take?

It was a piece of shit. Not that great, was it? No, it was horrible. Well, you know what? It's a good thing he didn't end his career on that, because I think Scream 4, in my opinion, he was back to true scream form again on that one. Yeah, might be a little controversial here,

but I think it's the second best out of the four. I do too. I do too, hands down. Yeah, it was really funny. He kind of hit the reset button on this one. You said about Rachel McAdams, I don't mind Hayden Panettiary. Mm-hmm.

So. No problem, huh? No, I got no problem. But, yeah, I remember really liking this. I thought, you know, it was, when I first heard, they was doing a fourth scream. I was like, really. Right. You know, but I really liked this one.

The premise of the movie actually made more sense than, like, say, the third one when all of a sudden she had a half brother out of nowhere. And I can buy the whole cousin. It was her cousin, right? Yep. It was her, you know, wanting to have all that fame and be her. So it was a, it was a welcome movie. I really liked it. Well, so that pretty much wraps up our West Craven retrospective,

as is common on these things we do, and we try to list our top three. Mine are probably going to be pretty easy to come up with. Do you have, off the top of your head, do you have your top three West Craven movies? Yeah, do you just want me to give the three? Whatever you want to do, ma'am? Whatever you want to do?

I usually try to, we usually try to go back and forth, like a countdown from, you know, five to one or three to one or whatever. Okay. However you can do, it's fine with me, man. Okay, I'll give my three and then you give your three. Cool. And then we'll just go, my three, I'm going to, just because of nostalgia factor and it's a movie I feel like it has a lot of, for me personally, a lot of rewatchability is the

people under the stairs. Yep. You know what? You just stole my thunder. That's my number three as well. Absolutely my number three. What's your number two, man? My number two is scream.

Okay. I can definitely respect that. The original one. Let me be clear. The original screen. Okay. Okay. All right. My number two is the serpent and the rainbow. Okay. As you can tell, I gave some love to this.

To me, it was the creep factor, the creepy factor. I really enjoyed that. And, you know, the fact that somebody can blow this powder into your face and all of a sudden you're unconscious and your heart rate slows down to where if someone tries to check your heart rate, they can't even tell you're alive. You can literally be buried alive. So that scared the fuck out of me. So that's easily my number two.

And my number one, of course, I don't know if it's your number one, but a nightmare on Elm Street. Well, how could it not be? How could it not be? Like I said, iconic movie, iconic character. And, you know, there's just scenes you just, you remember, you know, especially, I believe this was Johnny Depp's first movie. You know what? If not, it was definitely one of his first. Yeah, and, you know, you can never forget the scene when he got sucked into the bed and then all the blood came out.

Oh, man. Wow. What a, what a movie. What a movie. So I think we can both agree that West Craven. is an absolute master of horror. Absolutely. So as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns.

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and continue to bring you bigger and better stuff. Now, don't forget there's a contest afoot this week. And Brian, would you give us again the details of that contest? What are we looking for here for a horror returns t-shirt? I believe it is the origin of Freddie Kruger. Where did West Craven get the idea? Not only for the look, but also the concept of people dying in their dreams.

I believe I gave a kind of shitty half-ass story about it. So if anybody's got the actual facts, you will win it. a t-shirt. Cool. Easy as that. And if we do happen by any chance to have multiple people with the same correct answer, we are going to go for creativity and passion and the amount of time you put into giving us the answer. So the more you can tell us, the better your chances of winning that t-shirt. Next week, we're bringing you guys another special show, the Year in Horror 1960. And this is going to be the first in a series that we're going to do the best. horror films or standout horror movies of each year.

We're going to start with 1960 and work our way up. So, until the horror returns again, good night.