The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #116: Madman (1981) & Slender Man (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: July 7, 2024

This week, Jocelyn Mendez joins us to talk about the Creepypasta myth Slenderman as well as the movie We also discuss 1981's Madman. Thanks for listening! The Horror Returns Website: https://thehorrorreturns.com THR YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@thehorrorreturnspodcast3277 THR Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thehorrorreturns THR Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thehorrorreturns/ Join THR Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1056143707851246 THR X: https://twitter.com/horror_returns?s=21&t=XKcrrOBZ7mzjwJY0ZJWrGA THR Instagram: https://instagram.com/thehorrorreturns?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= THR TeePublic: https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-horror-returns SK8ER Nez Podcast Network: https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-p3n57-c4166 E Society Spotify For Podcasters: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esoc E Society YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UCliC6x_a7p3kTV_0LC4S10A Music By: Steve Carleton Of The Geekz

Hi, this is Don Mancini. You're listening to The Horror Returns. Greetings, victims. For those of you delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify goal, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. This podcast contains major plot spoilers and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. All right, welcome back one and all to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance, and with me as always is my co-host Brian. Philip said he's got some kind of a truck problem, so he may jump on later.

But that's okay. That's okay. We still got a full group because it's fan takeover night again. And we have a special guest, Jocelyn Mendez, Jocelyn. Thanks for joining us. What's going on? Well, first off, thank you for having me. I haven't been a listener for quite some time.

So it's my pleasure to finally be a guest on the show. Cool. So what got you into horror movie? and like what are some of your what are some of your favorites um some of my favorite films in the horror genre includes the omen the texas chainsaw massacre and the exorcist all films yeah they're all from the 70s but i believe in my opinion till this day they never fell to scare audiences yeah and um i actually got into horror when i was um a teenager when i started liking it um Because I started reading creepypastas.

I remember I was reading the Russian sleep experiments back in, when I was like 16, back in 2012. I'm not afraid to sleep in the dark at all, but after reading that one, I just had to sleep with a lamp on for a few days. It's like, yeah. Yeah. But nevertheless, that didn't stop me from reading creepypastas. I kept reading more and I was just amazed and I liked the adrenaline rush I felt when I was reading all these horror stories. So creepy pasta, I don't think we know as much about it. What's that Russian sleep experiment?

Is that a story or is it like based on an urban legend or what? Yeah, it was just a story. It's just in the late, it takes place in the late 1940. and it's about five people being awake for several days, I believe around 15 days, using an experimental gas. They're kept in an environment, and they monitor them, and they see their reactions. And it's kind of, I don't want to spoil it too much, but it's very creepy how you see their behavior. Oh, wow. So kind of like one of the trailers that we watched where they just weren't sleeping for days at a time.

Yeah, I would compare it to that actually. Yeah? Brian, you heard about that one, Brian? No, I don't really, not really into the creepy pastas and stuff. I would like to get into some, but I'm not really caught up on any of that. Yeah, there's a lot out there. I think there's one about a certain Slender Man. Didn't that start out as creepy pasta?

Well, we'll get into that later, right, Jocelyn? Yeah. All right, well, cool, we're glad to have you on the show. with us and that's cool. Your three favorite horror movies just happen to be three that we've covered on the show here. Oh, really? Yeah.

All right. Now they're classics. Cool. All right. Well, speaking of cool, let's start out with this. What's other than these two great movies? What's the coolest thing you've seen this week? It's called Funny Games. Have you guys heard of that?

Yes. Yes. I've seen both versions, in fact. Yeah. It was my first time watching it this week, but I watched the German version, and it was very cool to me. Yeah? Yeah. Brian, have you seen either of those?

I've only seen the remake. It's kind of like a home invasion, right? Yeah. Yeah. Sounds pretty cool. And then they just go, yeah, house-by-house-killing people, you know. That sounds like fun. Yeah, yeah, they did it for their entertainment.

Right. Wow. Yeah. Pretty sick. What'd you think? What'd you think about it? Did you enjoy it? Yeah, it was kind of weird in a way. Uh-huh. Because they just get, I like that, it's kind of realistic because they get away with it, you know? Right.

And there's no actual hero at the end. So, yeah, it's stuff that can actually happen. And it was very strange and, yeah, it's sad how. Yeah, they kill every family member just to have fun. Jeez. Yeah. Cool. Well, we also sometimes do like a not-so-cool of the week,

like something that you saw this week that really sucked. Besides the movies we're reviewing, so don't get any ideas there. But other than that, do you have a not-so-cool of the week? How do you think about that one? All right. We can come back to you, or we can just stick with the cool. That's what we try to do anyway. Brian, what was it for you, man?

Okay, I got a few here. I watched a couple of, I guess you would call them like thrillers last night. First one was Breaking In with Gabrielle Union. Oh, I saw the trailer for that. Yeah, nothing really special here. you kind of when you're watching it you kind of feel like you've seen this kind of plot before you know she's got to get to her kids inside the house and it almost reminded me have you ever seen a hostage with uh bruce willis uh no have you seen it jocelyn not yet yeah it's uh it's almost got a similar

like um there's a group of people trying to break into the house because there's something in the house that they want oh okay okay and and it's it seems like that's been done a few times right yeah and you know it's of course it's one of those houses that has like high tech security and gets locked down and gabriel union's got to figure out how to get in there to get

to her kids and she has no idea what's what they're looking for you know she's just trying to it but it's it's run of the mill typical let's see uh watched uh another i guess thriller this is actually um the only reason i watched it because it was based off of actual events, uh,

traffic. Uh, starring Paula Patton. Okay. Yes. Sounds familiar. I think I saw a trailer for this one as well. Yeah.

Um, again, nothing special. Um, the only thing that caught my attention was this was based off of true events of, you know, like human trafficking and, and, you know.

Right. So, um, Yeah, I watched it with my wife. My wife is not a big fan of Paula Patton. So, yeah. As far as horror, I checked out a movie called Farrell with Scout Taylor Compton. I've heard of that one.

Yeah. People go in, I think they're camping or doing something in the woods, and then they get attacked by people. They got some kind of virus, basically, that turns you feral. Okay. It's got some decent gore, and Scout Telecompton's pretty good in it. So, you don't have anything to watch, watch that. And last thing I checked out was Dead Night.

We reviewed the trailer, or both trailers, because previously it was called Apple Cart. Oh, God, this one. Have you heard of this one? I have, yeah. I actually kind of recommend this movie. It was kind of, it was a little bit weird. Barbara Crampton's in it. Brea Grant.

I can't think of the other guy. He was in your next. He was one of those guys. You know, the directors and writers, how they always like. The mumble gore group. Yeah. You don't recall. Yeah, one of those guys was in it.

Okay. One of those guys. I can't keep them straight either. I know Adam Green is one of them. Yeah. It was really weird. And to the point, point where like stuff wasn't really being explained.

But I think the, yeah, because it had to do with witches. Like watching the trailer, you didn't think anything had to do with witches or anything kind of. Okay. Kind of even like that. But I thought off of Berea Grant and Barbara Crampton's performance, I think was well enough to keep me in. Okay. So, and but no, no mention of Applecart at all. I have no idea what that title was even about.

the actor that showed up in it was it what's his name Joe Swanberg Is that who it was The real preppy looking guy No I'm trying to look it up right now Okay I'm just trying to think who all's in that group You know

I think as soon as I say his name You're gonna be like oh yeah It's got to either be Adam Green Joe Swanberg Or AJ Bowling It was AJ Bowling

Ah there you go Okay Did he have a beard this time because a lot of the time he has a beard. Oh, of course. Okay. All right. Now I'm with you.

Yeah. So I do recommend Farrell and Dead Night. And my not-so-cooled the week as I was rushing home to record with everyone, I got an email from MoviePass. I can now go see Mission Impossible, even though I've already watched it. So thanks a lot, MoviePass, for being late again. and I think, Lance, this is my last month officially. Last, uh, huh?

Yep, I'm done. I say that every, I think I say that every show, but I'm going to cancel it as soon as we're done here. Oh, boy. All right, well, that's, uh, I'm sure you're not so cool of the week, right? Yep. Yet again. Um, all right. Well, now it's time for, uh, horror headlines brought to you by Brian.

Take it away, Brian. Yes, Michael Sheen was going to star in it, but he's being replaced by Guy Pearce. Okay. Jocelyn, you're familiar with that movie, Bloodshot, that's coming out, or the comic book? I have heard of it, yeah. It's a valiant comic, I think, from several, like a couple of decades back. It was a pretty good comic book. I read a lot of it.

It seems like Vendisa would be perfect for it. Yeah, I would imagine him as a... comic as a comic character. So yeah, let's see how it goes. And the last thing I have here, like I said, kind of short on news. Jessica Chastain and Eddie Redmayne are going to start in a serial killer

thriller called The Good Nurse. Okay. So I like both those actors, so I'll check it out for sure. And we'll be seeing Jessica Chastain. in the next installment of it posting

probably be posting some set photos but can't wait for that one so how does she have time to be in all these movies very busy I don't know a lot of these actors and actresses I don't know how they find the time

I don't know what do you Justin what do you think about her do you do you like Jessica Chastain quite a bit Yeah, I also like Eddie Retmain. Mm-hmm. But, yeah, isn't the Good Nurse based on a book? I think I've heard of the book.

Let me see. It might be. The only thing I'm seeing right here is that the story is going to actually be based off tree vents. Yeah, and it does say, actually it does say based on a book by Charles Graber. So there you have it. Well, there we go. Do you know when it'll come back? I think they're right now just in casting and stuff like that.

I see Darren Aronovsky is producing it. Oh, that should be exciting. Yeah, no kidding. We're my favorite directors right now. Yeah. Yeah, no release date, really. So as soon as I find out, I will keep everybody posted. All right.

I'm sure we'll all be there. And that's it. All right. So, Jocelyn, where you live, do you ever, you guys have any trailer parks anywhere nearby there? There's one, five minutes away, I think, on the other side of the beltway. Yeah? Yeah. All right.

So you're familiar with trailer parks then? Yeah. Well, that's good. That's good, because right now we're about to take a little trip down to the. Trailer Park. We are going to talk about Sleep No More, starring Kelly Price and actress I mentioned earlier, Brea Grant. This is directed by Philip Guzman. Oh, I thought it was going to be our Philip there for a minute.

That was the real reason he couldn't be on tonight. Well, then I would be really upset, because why are we not involved in this movie? Yeah, no shit. What did you guys take of sleep no more? It looks really interesting. It reminded me, like we mentioned earlier, of the Russian sleep experiment. Mm-hmm. And I also saw on the trailer that it also affected their behavior as they spent more hours without sleep.

So I think it would be really interesting when it comes out. Yeah, I was impressed with it. I thought it looked like a pretty, looks like it's going to be a pretty good movie. and I don't know, maybe we could pair that with one of the Freddie movies, perhaps, Brian? Yeah, definitely. It caught my interest, especially the amount of hours they were posting that these people are awake. I can only imagine what is going through your mind or, you know, just off of that alone. I don't know if it's going to be supernatural-based or if this is just people just, you know, kind of hallucinating.

but, you know, they're flashing like 90, 100-something hours even more than that, that they're awake. And that's pretty crazy. Yeah, fuck that. I get cranky when I get less than seven hours of sleep. Exactly, yeah. And from what I see here, this will be on VOD Digital and DVD October 2nd. All right. Yeah, I'll check it out.

It looks pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. And our last trailer for the day will be Slaughterhouse Rules. And this is starring Hermione Corfield, Fincolle, Asa Butterfield, Michael Sheen, Simon Pegg, and Nick Frost, directed by Crispian Mills. And I believe, yep, this is Simon Pegg and Nick Frost's first movie off of their production company's stolen picture.

Okay. What do you guys thinking here? To me, it looks like a horror version of Harry Potter or something. Yeah, I kind of got that. You know, if we was to review it for the show, one of the things that popped in my head was, you ever see Attack the Block? Yes.

You've seen that one, Jocelyn? Not yet, but I've heard of that. It's really good. Very good, very good. Yes, has stars, what is his name, Finn from Star Wars? Finn, that's all I know. John Boyega. John Boyega.

Oh, wow. Yeah, I believe it was one of his first movies, so. Yeah, makes sense. And you could tell from his accent, he hadn't tried to Americanize it up yet. That's for sure. And I know Nick Frost was in that. I don't think Simon Pegg was, right? No, I don't think so.

No, he wasn't. And it almost looks like from the trailer, Nick Frost is playing the same character. Same face of the movie. Yeah, like a bearded near-do-well stoner? Yeah. I'm not familiar with the director, but Simon Pegg and Nick Frost being involved, it's automatically I'm going to watch it.

And, you know, it's, it seems like a bunch of kids banding together to fight off these monsters. And, you know, most of the time, I have a good time with those movies. And the only other person from the cast I recognize is Ace of Butterfield. He's been in a lot of movies. Oh, he's been in a whole lot of stories. stuff, hasn't he? Yeah.

Yeah. So, one time rumored to be Spider-Man before, uh, what's his name, current Spider-Man, so. Tom Holland? Yeah. So it, it, yeah, yeah, that guy. That guy, the guy that charged $175 at the Comic Con for an autograph. Do you hear about, you guys hear about this? No.

Does he? Mm-hmm. Yeah, the comic, comic, Comic, Paloza in Houston. He was here. and most of the stars were doing autographs for like, you know, 40 bucks, 50 bucks, whatever. He's charging 175 for an autograph. Oh, Lee, Tom Holland, do you really need the money?

I was kidding. I mean, you was just in Avengers. Yeah. I can understand if he's not acting no more and he still has a name and, you know, he's trying to make some money, but, I mean, they already announced. It's the next Spider-Man movie, so do you really need to be charging? I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's not.

Yeah. Some people are crazy. I actually sign up blog a girl. What's the lady from The Exorcist, the girl? Oh, Linda Blair. Linda Blair. I thought she was charging like 100 to take a picture with her. And then...

Just a picture. Yeah. And then the girl who took the picture asked for her autograph, and she wanted more money for that. Oh, wow. That's terrible. Yeah, but in that case, you know, she's not making movies anymore, so it makes sense. But Tom Holland is just crazy.

He's got a lot of movies coming out, too. What's up to the, uh, Jocelyn, you saw The Avengers movie? Which one? The, uh, Infinity War? No, not yet. Oh, crap, can't talk about it then, but I'm trying to figure out how he's going to be in the sequel. Never mind. I'll be quiet now. Slaughterhouse rules.

I know it will be premiering in the UK October 31st and I think not 100% certain it will be here September 7th. Oh, we get it before they do? I don't know. There's a lot of conflicting release date. Right. Maybe I got that.

Maybe I have it backwards if somebody knows, you know, correct me, I'm sure. We'll definitely be there. I think all three of us will check it out. Is it safe to say? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

All right, cool. And that is it. All right. So normally this is the time we would do listener feedback. We actually plan to skip it this week anyway, since we're recording the show a little earlier than normal, since I'm going to be out of town all next weekend. But as it turns out, Philip's not here anyway to do the feed.

So it worked out pretty well. But keep reaching out to us and we'll have a we'll definitely have a double feedback next week like we've done before. Brian, was this a hit? I was told that this was a, I hope, I don't know about it, but I heard cult favorite. Let's put it that way. So it just has a cult following nowadays. There you go.

Yeah. Oh boy. Well, I don't know who's. One of those. Yeah, I don't know who's in that cult, but I'd rather join the cult of Chuckie before that one. But we're talking about 1981's Madman. And as always, we'll do a little trivia before the talking about the movie,

and then as always allow our guests to go first, if you wish, to jump in there. So director and writer was Joe Giannone, also known for the Clonis Horror. as a second unit director. So I think this was his first actual directorial debut. And I think maybe his last, if I'm not mistaken. All right, well, this is

interesting. The crew had to paint the leaves of trees and bushes green on location because the film was being shot in winter but was supposed to be set in the summer. Interesting. Wow, that's going all out. And the production originally wanted Vincent Price for the role of Max.

I'm sure they did. I'm sure they wanted Vincent Price. I mean, shit, I'd want Vincent Price in every movie, but, uh, okay. All right, Jocelyn, you're our guest. You get to go first. What did you think about this movie? Um, I thought it was, I thought it was very cheesy in a way. Um, but it put it in that,

It was similar to other low-budget slasher films from that era from the early 80s, like prom night. There was a scene in the film, which was, I just, I was just like, oh, my God, I don't know if you guys remember the jacuzzi scene. Oh, God. They played this corny music. Wow. So terrible, huh? Yeah. Was the jacuzzi making them spin around?

Yeah, was the jacuzzi water making them spin like that? I don't know It was just cheesy And it was a little It was a little bit long It just kept going Right It's like what's happening

Exactly It's just like Okay how much longer is this going to Yeah So that was a comic moment in the film One of many I would say Yeah

Exactly What did you think about the killer? It would sound creepy, but the hands were very, I don't know, huge and weird, like, not realistic, you know? Yeah, like somebody got some bad rubber gloves from a

werewolf costume at the local Hardy City or something like that. Exactly. Dragged an axe around like Victor Crowley and chased after these kids. Was he like a wolf man or just a... I thought he was a werewolf at first. I don't know.

Yeah. It's hard to say what it was. Yeah. It was just this huge thing. I haven't met with big hands. And I also, yeah, when the people were running away or they were just walking through the woods, their faces were priceless.

Yeah, like if they couldn't hear the footsteps, I'm just like, come on now. Yeah. Yeah. So it was, yeah, it was very cheesy to me. Uh-huh. Not, uh, didn't quite have the quality of some of those other good 80s or late 70s horror movies, huh? Yeah, like, I don't know, even other, like, low-budget slasher films like Friday the 13th, or a nightmare on Elm Street.

Yeah. Right. Yeah, I mean, at least those had story, you know. It was like, I couldn't figure out what this was all about. Help us out here, Brian. Dude, we're drowning, man. What was this movie about? From what I understand, it was based or inspired by Cropsey?

Cropsey murders. Ah, okay. And I don't know. This movie was weird. it was a complete Friday the 13th rip-off. And then every time Mad Man Mars would pop up, it just made me want to like go watch one of the Hatchet movies. That's what we were thinking too.

Yeah. It was like, you can't say it was a rip-off of Hatchet because it came first. Maybe Green was like super impressed with it. Maybe he's one of the cult followers of this movie. I don't know. But it was really weird. And a lot of the interaction with the acting was really bad in this movie. I will say there was some interesting kills in here.

The lady that was looking under the hood of the truck and then he jumped on top of the hood. That was pretty good. I thought that was the best kill in the movie. And one that I didn't expect to happen. I don't know if he put the one lady up to the window or if she just jumped up and then her friend kind of blasted her with the shotgun. yeah that one i think she jumped yeah okay and but but what was kind of weird is she just kind of i don't know the lady that shot her own friend with a shotgun it didn't really seem to bother her that much yeah i yeah or um i'm sorry when they're in the bus and she goes she's like i have

to see if there's other survivors like how are you kind of leave those kids alone after seeing some big ass old guy like trying to get in and kill you. How are you going to go out? Exactly. Lance, I think you can bring this stupid people sounder for that one because it didn't work out for her in the end.

Oh, awesome. We hadn't had a stupid people sounder in a while, man. She died. Yeah. Oh, there's quite a few of them in this movie. They would just leave one by one to go look for the next person. After a while, I think I would suggest that we should stop

leaving to look for somebody because they're not coming back. Yeah, just go and keep driving. Yeah. But other than that, you know, this is for me, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to come down on it too hard. This was kind of like the typical paint by number slasher movie. You know, people were getting killed in the woods and I don't know. There was a couple of interesting kills and that jacuzzi. scene had me laughing.

Yeah. Lance, come on. What did you think? Well, I mean, look, when I, okay, so if I see a slasher movie like this from the 80s, there's two things I want to see, right? I want to see a lot of, you know, really good gore. And I definitely want to see a lot of really good looking women, particularly without clothes on.

So on this, I thought you got neither. I thought the special effects were really bad. The blood didn't even look like real blood. I mean, for crying out loud, they painted the leaves green. I mean, could they have just filmed in the summer and, like, spend a little bit more money on the special effects of the kills? Yeah, there was a scene where I thought it was really weird that you see, you know, like someone get their head cut off and you see the blood there.

But then there's a scene where there's blood dripping down a wall, which is a completely different color than the blood they used on the bodies. Right. It sounds like the shark shots from the movie. we saw last week. Oh, gosh. Oh, man, and what's with this blonde chick that looks like olive oil? What?

She looks like olive oil from Popeye, you know? The final girls, or could have been the final girl? Yes. I don't know. I forgot she was even in a movie because you get that unnecessary scene where she's fighting with her boyfriend. Mm-hmm. Or I don't even know if it's her boyfriend. He seemed a little too obsessed with her.

And then you kind of don't see her for the rest of the movie. Well. And then they make you believe that she's going to be the heroine of the movie, the final girl. And like I said, it didn't really work out for her at the end. Yeah. Oh, man. Well, I see that a lot of people that were involved in this went on to do absolutely literally nothing else. Like the main guy, his name is Tony Fish.

Tony Fish. And it says, I'm going to read his biography. You guys can't miss this. Actor, singer, and expert fisherman. Tony Fish Nunziata attended Richmond College in Staten Island. Tony's lone foray into film acting was a sizable role as cocky camp counselor T.P. In the nifty low budget slasher.

Oh, it says right here. It says the nifty low budget slasher cult favorite Madman. He also sang lead vocals on the song, I don't need no words. So there you go, guys. never did another baby afterwards um t p that that actually i kind of thought that was an interesting kill too

yeah at least uh not not the whole hanging thing but when he just yanked on his legs and snapped his neck yeah because uh i was a little bit done with t p by then so you were you were ready to flush you were ready to flush the t p huh yeah teap

Yeah, after that jacuzzi scene, it wouldn't be. Was there any characters that you guys did like? I don't know. What was the camp director? He was, I thought he was going to play some kind of role into it. Right. The guy that was, I forgot his name. The older guy that just left to go play cards somewhere while everybody got killed.

kind of thought he was the killer for a minute because he kind of seemed like he wasn't around. Right. Yeah. But he kind of never came into play after he left. So I thought he was all right because he was kind of like the lone good person amongst everybody, you know, because it was, like I said, typical everybody's drinking and having sex. And he was like, you know, when they're even talking about sex, he's just like, I'm getting too old to hear this conversation. You know, he's like the one good guy. yeah yeah wow he never he never came in the play so yeah and you um did you guys um i don't know i

couldn't figure out if the killer lives or dies because the blonde girl she stabs him but you never know if he lives or if he she kills him yeah that was a little bit hard to figure out because i know the house caught on fire right oh yeah and that's all you kind of see so you don't even know he got out and then, you know, your final scene is with the old dumb ass Richie, which is not fair to everybody because he's the one that called Madman Mars.

Exactly. He's the only one that gets to live. Yeah, and he's the reason why everyone went into the woods to look for him. Yeah, Richie. You should have got it first. Yeah. Aye, aye. Yeah. Well, as long as the

as the rubber werewolf hand survived You know, there can always be a sequel. All right, you guys ready for scores? Anything else you want to say about this one? Are we ready to give our 1 through 10 here? I'm ready if everybody else is. Freddie.

All right. Jocelyn? I'll give it a 3 because of the jacuzzi scene. It made me laugh, so a 3. Oh, man. Well, I'll go one. This was really, really bad. Really bad.

It didn't have any... Like I said, it didn't really have any of the stuff that I like in a slasher movie. And I'm not the world's biggest, you know, slasher movie fan anyway. So it's going to be really hard for me to go higher than a one. I'm going to meet you two in the middle and give it a two. There was a couple The couple death scenes I liked

Because you know They kind of gave me a chuckle And you're right That jacuzzi scene was hilarious It was So I'm giving it to All right

So Safe to say None of the three of us Recommend seeing 1981's Madman And Safe to say it will not appear on our year in horror

1981, Brian? I don't think so Okay. Well, we can move on then to our featured attraction, but before we do that, our guest Jocelyn is going to educate us on the myth and mystery of the Slender Man. And also I think you're going to talk about the video game a little bit? Yeah, actually. Cool, because we know nothing, so help us out here. All right, well, actually Slenderman is obviously fictional and it originated not too long ago. in 2009 in a forum and a site called Something Awful. And it was actually part of the Photoshop contest.

And then, yeah. And then, yeah, it quickly spread around as a creepy pasta where he lurks in the forest seeking out children to abduct. And it started spreading around and it became really popular because he's so tall and his arms can stretch out. twice the size of the length they originally are and he doesn't he's faceless

so it really scared people and he became really popular and then I remember the game came out in the summer of 2012 and I downloaded it and I started playing it

and basically it's yeah it's called the eight pages that's the first slenderment game it was released and you have to collect eight pages and just walk through the woods and find them. I remember I was playing, yeah. And then, yeah, after a while of wondering if you can't find any, Slender Man pops up out of the blue and then just scares you and then the game is

over. So it's assumed if he pops up there, your dad, right? Yeah, it's game over. And I, yeah, so I never got to the level where actually collected all of them. But I did see other people on YouTube they were uploading their

themselves playing video games. And I noticed that many of them collected all pages and then the slender men still appeared and the game ended. Even with all the pages, huh? Exactly. Oh shit. So there's no getting

away from him? Yeah, not really. The good thing is that they made a a prequel, I would say it's a prequel the following year. And it explains more of the background story and there's two girls. And basically one friend is visiting the other

and then her car gets broken down so she walks to her friend's house and then finds weird drawings and then she hears a screaming and then just goes to the back of the woods where she hears the screaming and that's where the first game starts. Oh, wow. Yeah. So it's just like a prequel to the first, to the eight pages.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. But yeah, even if you collect all pages, you still lose. Just like any video game, right? That's why I don't play video games, because very few of them have I ever been able to get to the very end of, you know? Are you a video game player, like, big time, or was this, like, just one that you happen to pick up on? No, I've been playing video games since I was, like, four. five. Yeah? And I Yeah, even now I still play, but I play

more first-person shooter games nowadays, like Rainbow Sixth, Siege, and Battlefield, Call of Duty, stuff like that. Brian, are you a gamer at all? I try to be, but she does mention all the

games I get my ass kicked on, so that's probably why I'm not much of a gamer. Yeah, but I wouldn't try counter-strike. I'd lose there. Counter strike? Is that a Tom Clancy? Like it's based on the Tom Clancy books and stuff

like that, like Rainbow Six? No, it's just like terrorist fighting people trying to stop them. You just get a... Yeah. Yeah, you just fight with other people and shoot each other.

I'm not that good at it, to be honest. Yeah, the only The only video games I really play, and that's like only if somebody else has a game system and there's nothing else going on. But, you know, like I'll play the sports games, like, you know, football, baseball, soccer, that type of thing. Yeah, like, Sita. Yeah, because a lot of those I've noticed that you can, you just kind of push buttons to, like, start the play and then just kind of let all the players do their thing. It's not like you have to really control every aspect of it.

because it seems like a lot of the newer games, I just have so much trouble because there's like so many buttons and stuff like that, you know? Yeah. Then you've got to remember which weapons did you pick up, what button do you need to push to change weapons? All the while you're trying to do all that

is like somebody's trying to blow your head off. It's just too much for me. Yeah, and then you have to act fast, otherwise they kill you. Yeah, when I was a kid, in fact, I like going to this. we've got a little video arcade out here that's a retro arcade where all they have is like 80s and 90s video games and quite a few pinball machines. Is it in downtown or?

Up here in the Woodlands area, like north of town, I think there is one close to where Minutemate Park is. Yeah, that's the one I've been to. Yeah, you like any of those retro games? Yeah, I do. Can you handle any of those, Brian? Oh yeah, I just recently picked up the NES classic, the mini one. Oh, really? Yeah, I was able to locate both of those.

And I'm throwing my hat in the ring right now for NBA Jam. Lance, you know what I'm talking about? Sure. I downloaded that, so I will be practicing up until next year. Cool. So you'll be in the tournament next year, huh? Yep. Cool

Yeah, I like Like I said The old ones I can handle With these new ones with like 27 buttons And then two joysticks All of a sudden they're crap on one little controller Like what game system do you have, Jocelyn? I have PS4

Ah, that's the best one, right? Well, to me, yeah But some people are Xbox users And when I tell them I have a PS4 They're like, oh, it sucks and all this stuff. But, no, I love my PS4. Yeah, it's kind of interesting how both the consoles were able to get as popular, you know, stay as popular as they are.

Because, like, usually when you have, like, for example, back in the day, they had VHS and what were the two types? Betamax was the other one, I think. Betamax was a smaller one that was also a smaller one that was also a, a higher quality, but more people bought the VHS, so that was kind of like the one that made it. And Beta Max didn't. And then the DVDs came out and then Blu-Rays after that. You know, I don't even buy any of those anymore. At this point, I pretty much download everything.

What about you guys? I'm a big Blu-ray collector, so. Ah, that's right. Yeah, that's the one thing. I went all digital with my music, but. The movies has been the one thing I've held on to. Right? Yeah.

Yeah, I used to have a lot of DVDs, but then my DVD player broke, like, three years ago. So all I do now is just watch the films available on Netflix or Amazon and Hulu. Yeah, I mean, everything's out there, right, as long as you're connected to the Internet. For the most part, yeah. All right, well, was there, um, other than the, um, the basic, story about the Slender Man. Brian, didn't you have some questions about the mythology or something like that?

I think I'll ask them when we get into the movie. I think those pertain more to the movie. Like how accurate is the movie to the action? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know what? I think Jocelyn, you didn't get a chance to see

this one yet, right? Not yet. Okay. So, Brian, she's not going to know like what's... Oh, okay. The story. So is there like something in particular, non-spoilery that you wanted to ask? Like, is this part of the story or whatever?

To call upon Slender Man, is it something that you read, or is it more like a ritual? You know, what is, what is the, or does it, has it changed over time with the telling of the story? I'm sure it has changed over time. People keep adding more background to it. Because, like, yeah, like I mentioned, it just started as a Photoshop contest. I'm sure the creator didn't have a backup story for it until a few years later, when it started becoming popular and spreading around the Internet. Right.

So I'm sure since then, it's been almost a decade since he was created. I'm sure since then they've added more and more stuff to his background. Okay. All right. Well, that being said, we'll get into the movie now. Slender Van director Sylvain White, also known for

The Losers and Stomp the Yard. I actually liked both of those movies, so I was kind of thinking I may not hate this as much as I was thinking I would, but I guess we're going to find out. Yeah, the Losers is underrated. Yeah, yeah, that's,

uh, Jocelyn, have you seen that? It's based on a graphic novel. I have not, but I have watched Stump the Yard. What'd you think? I liked it. Yeah, I did too. I did too.

Both those movies were really good. Yeah, but I knew to watch the losers. Yeah, I started feeling hopeful about this movie, you know, when I saw that. And I was kind of getting a little excited about it, actually. Writer is David Burke, also known for Dahmer and Thirteen Sins. And the only piece of trivia that I found, and I think this is kind of bullshit. I want to know what you guys think about this. The father of the victim whose life was nearly claimed.

by two girls that worship the slender man has spoken out against the film, citing how they feel disgraced by Hollywood making a film about events that led to a tragedy. So on that note, what do you think about that, Jocelyn? Do you think he's within his rights, or do you think that's kind of stepping outside, you know, what somebody, I mean, do you think that's appropriate, I guess I should ask? I mean, I can understand his pain because his daughter was almost stabbed to death and abandoned in the woods, you know. But I don't think he should feel disgraced by Hollywood making a film about this unless it was based on his daughter's story, then yeah. But a lot of horror films have had an influence on real-life events.

That doesn't mean it's the movie's fault, you know, or the story's fault. So, yeah, it was going to happen eventually the film about Slenderman because of how popular he is. So I think unless it was based on his daughter's story, he should just take a deep breath. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. What do you think, Brian? Yeah, I mean, I agree. If it's not based off that particular story, then I don't think he has any claim to anything. and if the studio just wants to make a movie about Slender Man, you know, and write a whole new story,

then I think that's in their rights to do so. Exactly. All right, so I'm not at all familiar with that story. Do you know any of the details of it, Jocelyn? Yeah, I actually sawed on the news when it happened. These two teenagers invited the victim for a sleepover without, you know, the victim did know what was going to happen. And then

they went into the woods just for a walk and then they started stabbing her and they left her there. Wow. That's pretty brutal. Yeah. And surprisingly, the girl survived and she started crawling and then a guy, I think,

yeah, a guy, I think he was jogging and he found her. And then he called the ambulance and the police. And then The doctor said they actually missed her vein by like half an inch, I believe. Not by much, but they missed it. Otherwise, she would have died.

Damn. Yeah. And then they showed her nowadays, and, yeah, she seems really, really happy and healthy, so I'm glad she's doing better now. Mm-hmm. And then one of the girls who stabbed her was, they said she was actually mental. She had a mental illness.

I guess so. Yeah, so there's that. Exactly. But I didn't really follow the case, like how they've been charged and how long they'll be in prison and all this stuff. Oh, wow. Well, see, y'all learned something new because I just assumed that the victim had died. Oh, no, she looks super healthy now.

Mm-hmm. Well, that story certainly sounds a lot more interesting than this movie that we saw. I'll tell you that right now. How was Sid? Brian, you want to go first? Okay. I was kind of on the fence coming into this. I was interested, because I was going to bring my oldest daughter, she's 18.

because I told her for her generation, this is kind of like their boogeyman, you know. And I was, I was intrigued by the original trailer for this movie because it looked really creepy, dark. Kind of gave me that tone of the first ring movie. And so I was in.

And then I just, with the movie getting pushed back a lot and the second trailer didn't really do it for me. so I was kind of not really anticipating this movie. So I was trying to keep an open mind. But when I went into this movie, I was bored through the entire movie. This movie, I think the movie is around an hour and a half, and this movie felt like three hours. Oh, no.

I didn't like any of the actresses in it. As soon as I seen Joey King pop up in this movie, I instantly remembered our remembrance. view of Wishapon. Wishapon. I liked that movie. I didn't. The other actress, I can't think of her name, The Redhead. She was in the Ouija Origin of Evil. Okay.

And I liked that movie, and I liked her in it. But I don't know. I just didn't like the interaction with anybody. And the movie was dark, like, all the time. Like, not to really get into spoilers, but in this town, for some reason, it's always nighttime or about to be nighttime. And then when you go into somebody's house, they only have like a couple lamps on and that's it.

So when anything was actually happening, it was kind of hard to figure out what's going on. And I kind of wanted more of the Slender Man because I was the one of the things that I was kind of excited for was an actor who we brought up a bunch

of times on this show. Javier Boutet was playing the Slender Man. And I couldn't even really tell if he was actually playing the Slender Man because it looked like a lot of C.G. Oh, boy. And I just was not really impressed with this movie, not one bit. Right. Well, this may be the shortest review ever because you said it was an hour and a half movie.

And to you it felt like three hours? Yes. Yeah, I have a confession to make. To me, it felt like about 10 minutes because about 10 minutes. because about 10 minutes into it, I literally fell asleep. Oh, my God. I vaguely remember Joey King being in there, and it seemed like it started out where she was her usual, you know,

kind of sarcastic little self. Yeah, but that's what I like about her. She's kind of a little spitfire in a lot of the roles that she's in, and like she doesn't, you know, she stands up to bullies. She's kind of like the outsider, but that's sort of like the character she always plays. Um, but then when this, yeah, and I saw the redhead you were talking about, um, yeah. But the brunette, um, the actress, her name is Julia Goldani Tellis or something like that. Oh, the, the, the one girl that had like no emotion of anything in this movie.

You know what? She's, yeah, she's a terrible actress. Um, but I kept thinking, what, what, what do I know her from? What do I know her from? What do, there's a TV show on, uh, showtime called The Affair. Have you guys ever seen that? I've heard about it. I've heard about it. Wasn't this one of the movies you argued with, Jim Law? Yes. And yeah, and I'm on his side.

It's a great show. Well, at least the first three seasons were really great. And then it's kind of falling off a little. You know how Showtime Tim's to keep things on way too long? Oh, yeah. Dexter probably went a couple of seasons too long. Either of you guys seen Dexter? I've seen the first season.

A few episodes. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good show. It's a good show, at least at first, until the season where they get into the, where Edward James Almost is in it and Tom Hanks' son. And like it starts out with somebody takes these, creates like a four horseman using dead bodies. And then people try to figure out where did that come from. And it was like a religious thing.

that was kind of a fairly strong season but that's where it started kind of going downhill and that I mean everybody's heard about how hated that final episode is of Dexter I'm sure you guys have heard that before right yeah yeah

but you know showtime keeps I think they keep shows on way too long for the most part but this particular chick she's just like the biggest bitch she just treats her like shit like shit. She's a little, she's a little, she's a little crappy kid. She, she treats her brother

like shit. She goes off and, uh, um, goes off with this dude that, that, that, that, that, that, that slaps her and everything. And he's like this starving artist, hipster type guy. And she just, like, makes all the worst possible decisions. And I'm like, okay, now I remember her. And she's like, the same year just totally hateable. Um, but yeah, I mean, there was no character in this movie that I could really relate to. And I usually like Joey King quite a bit, unlike you, Brian. I, you know, everything I've seen her in, I've pretty much liked her performance. I'd like her in The Conjuring.

Yeah. I mean, she's, I think she's really a good little actress, and she's starting super young, right? Yeah, I will say, maybe I don't hate her. Maybe it's, I dislike the movie she's in. I'll say, I'll put it that way. Well, she's been on a few stinkers. Wasn't she in one of the Independence Day movies or something like that? I'm pulling it up right here.

I don't think so now. No? Okay. Well, help us out here, Jocelyn. Oh, yes, she was. She was. She was. Okay.

Yeah. She was. Had to go way back. Way, way back, right? She's been around. I'm telling you, she's been around for a while. You know, she's She still looks super young, but she's not,

I don't think she's as young as she looks. But, um, I don't know. I've, uh, I, like I said, I can't really say too much about this. Oh, I will say this. I, I liked the special effects. When they had certain, like, dream sequences or whatever. Um, I, that, one of those sequences kind of woke, actually woke me up for about 10 minutes and then I went back to sleep.

so uh ready for scores brian and going to spoilers or we got more to say here um no because we're going to get into spoiler territory and I don't want to spoil it but yeah I wouldn't get the scores um

yeah it just I just felt nothing from anybody in this movie especially when when people would end up disappearing or there were scenes where you can tell they were affected by seeing the slender man and it's just like nobody cared in this movie.

The parents, the few parents that you actually see in this movie, because you don't see a lot of them, they seem like they didn't care either, really. And I will say, there was some scenes in the trailer that was not in this movie, I will say. I kind of like the Meg last week, huh? Yeah, because they're not really, I guess it's not spoiling because it's not in the movie.

There was a scene that caught my attention in the first trailer. I believe it's of the younger sister. of the actress you didn't care for, Lance. Right. She's walking out of the woods, and it looks like she has something in her hand, and the camera is panning down, and right before you get to see what's in her hands, it cuts to the title of the movie.

Okay. And I was like, what is in her hands? What does she have? That kind of intrigued me. That whole scene is not even in this movie. So now we'll never know. Yeah. And...

Come on. I thought this was, I don't know, I guess, poorly lit. right to where i don't know if there was if i don't know a little bit of lighting and you can just see the shadows of the slender man throughout the movie it's just i i felt like i couldn't see anything i don't know if it was my theater or what but this whole movie was dark i don't think it was just your theater man i think it was the same way i think that's how i was able to to go to sleep go to sleep go to sleep so easily and i'm just really disappointed that i didn't get to see a whole lot of underman because I really like Javier Boutet.

And for all, for these type of roles, he should, he should shine because, you know, he had, he has that build to play this character. Um, for him to have that build to play this character, I felt like maybe we should have seen more of it. And I don't, a little less CG. Mm-hmm. And, um, I will say the effects that kind of remind me of the ring, those were really cool. And, you know, when people were kind of being mess with mentally. Right. Um, though, those.

kind of effects were really cool, but I have to give this movie a one. Ouch. Wow. This is my bye-bye man for this year. This year so far? Yes. Wow. Boy, that's pretty, that's pretty rough.

Harsh. Yeah. Yeah, before I go into my score, Brian, will you educate Johnson a little bit with like some of the parts that that Bodette has played before? He has played. I know he was in the last

Alien Covenant movie. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah, I believe he was in Mama. Yeah, he played Mama. And let me pull up his... I think he was in the mummy.

He played... What was it? What character was it in It, the newest it? The character, the leper. Oh, the leper. I'll bet. He was the crooked man and the conjuring. He's been in a wreck.

Insidious, the last insidious movie, and the list just goes on and on and on. Okay. Which I believe the crooked man from the conjuring is getting its own movie. And that will probably be played by him. him as well, I would imagine. I would assume so. Yeah.

Okay, so he's got quite a, quite a resume. Yeah. Yeah. With horror and sci-fi films. Mm-hmm. He was wasted here, man. He was wasted here. I'm not going to go, I'm not going to go that low because I am going to say that I did enjoy the special effects.

There was a part where, I mean, I think it was in the, in the trailer where the spot. Or it looked like spiders or whatever we're crawling out of the girl. Or it looked like spiders that were crawling out of her mouth or something like that. But maybe it was barbed wire. I don't know. It's kind of weird. But I thought it was at least creepy looking. So just for that part of it, I'll give it a two.

Yeah. But I'm not going to go quite as. I do not think it's my least favorite of the year. But it's a contender for bottom five for sure. Yeah. There's no doubt about that. Some of the effects in this movie, this movie should have been better than what it was. Yeah, especially with this director.

I was expecting something much, much better. Yeah. And I like Madman, we're in 2018, so we have all the technology for it. Yeah. So Lance, you think this was worse than Madman? No, I gave that a one, remember? Yeah, but, yeah, this one was a one, too.

No, you gave this a two. I gave it a one. Yeah, I gave this one a two. Now, come on. I give this one, too. So it's a little better than that. You put that jacuzzi scene in this movie, and I'll raise my score. Fair enough.

Oh, man, you're ready to go into, I don't know if there's anything to spoil, is there? I can't spoil much. Because she hasn't seen it, I think we should skip spoiling it. I don't really have that much to go into. Yeah, I would agree. I just, I'm kind of like you. I'm curious whether, Jocelyn, I hope you do see it because we want to ask you some questions,

because I am curious how what they did falls in with the mythology of the actual story. Because it didn't seem like anything I'd ever heard of before, but then again, you know, obviously we weren't all that familiar with it to begin with. Yeah. So, yeah, I would definitely love to hear your opinion because, I mean, even my eight-year-old knows who slender man is and I just thought you know this slender man being such a big

phenomenon you know I was expecting more I would love to hear your opinions yeah I'll I'll try to watch it this week and see if it compares to anything from the the stories

the background and the when this the the guy's father who said Hollywood was should be disgraced by it Yeah, and it had absolutely, it definitely had nothing to do with that story, to your point, whatsoever. You know, something just occurred to me. Maybe that's why that scene of the girl walking out of the woods was cut. Maybe it was too similar to the real-life event.

Maybe she had a knife in her hand. Yeah, maybe, so. Okay, that makes sense. Are we giving Phillips scores? Did he give it to you over the phone? I believe he sent us a message. I think, uh, both films combined score was two. Oh, wow.

So I'm assuming one each. One each. For Philip, that's super low. Wow. Oh, my God. But maybe we'll get his official review next episode. All right. That's two really, really bad weeks in a row, guys.

Yeah, what's going on? Hey, speaking... Oh, what? Sorry. No, no, you go ahead. I was just going to say, we appreciate you coming on the show with us, though. Oh, no, just one last thing. I don't know, since I saw it on the news this week, they're talking about a new slender man called, it's called the Momo Challenge. Have you guys heard of it? Uh-uh.

What? It's some creepy doll. Oh, wow. And it's a challenge kids are doing. I'm a Linda creepy dolls. I'm the biggest Chucky fan ever, right, Brian? Yeah. Yeah, I have not heard this challenge Yeah, it's taking over the internet

Tell us about it I don't know much about it I just know it's a doll and it's kind of It's a challenge going around And it actually It kind of inspired I don't know if that's the right word to say But for a 12 year old to kill herself

For the challenge What? Yeah, and it's going around, and they're calling it the new slenderment of 2018. Oh, fuck that shit. I don't want anything to do with that. I'm looking at some of the pictures here online, too, with these big bug eyes and stuff? Uh-uh. New, new, new, new, new, new.

So this is a real thing, huh? Yeah, apparently it's going around in Europe and North and South America. Oh, ouch. Yeah. Oh man You've got to get me creeped out now Give us some other good stuff that's going around out there I don't know

This is all I've heard so far this week And it kind of creeped me out Yeah that's creepy Because the 12 year old killed herself in Argentina Because of this challenge And then I saw the doll And I got super scared And I'm constantly saying WhatsApp

and then she has an account of WhatsApp and I see the chats with other people and it's just scary, you know? Her face there. That's creepy. You looking at it, Brian? No, I don't want to be scared. Yeah, you may not want to.

We'll check it out when it's full daylight, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, listen, Jocelyn, we appreciate you coming on the show. You're welcome back anytime. You got anything going on? you want to talk about or you want to, you don't have a podcast or anything. I think you're just a listener, but anything you're involved in that you want to do a shout

out for? No, I'm just, I'm just glad we talked about video games because I'm a gamer, so yeah. Yeah? Do you listen to, do you listen to any other podcasts regularly, like any gaming podcast or anything? Not regularly, but there is a few I follow, but I'm mostly, um, I'm, I'm, mostly, um, I'm, I'm just reading forums about gaming. Do you watch any of the walkthroughs or stuff like that to kind of not really cheat, but sort of get a feel for where certain things are in games?

When I have to, yeah. So if I can't pass a certain level in a game thing, yeah, I'm like, okay, maybe I'll cheat a bit, see how this person does it, and then I'll see how they do it and then try to do it myself. I've done it a few times for a call of doing. duty because I don't know, I was just like, how do you do this? Then I had to look it up on Utah. I'm like, oh, it was that easy. Cool. Yeah. And I'm looking forward to October because there's new games coming out like Black

Ops 4 and Battlefield 5 and the new Elder Scrolls game. I don't know if you guys are familiar with, are a fan of Skyron. I've definitely heard of it. Is it like a high fantasy game where you picked like different characters? Yeah, it's high fantasy. It's an adventure game. I remember back when it came out like seven years ago, I want to say. So I'm really excited for it when it comes out.

So do you pick different characters, like magic user, fighter, warrior, that type of thing? You can set it up in the beginning. Yeah, like be an elf. and just customize it. Mm-hmm. And I remember everyone was making, because one of the guards sometimes, they say, I used to be an adventure like you,

but then I took an arrow to the knee. And when I was in high school, everyone used to say this. They're like, oh, I used to la-l-la, but I took an arrow to the knee. Oh, so they got that from the game, huh? Exactly. Well, you're also a huge Lord of the Rings fan, right?

Huge, yeah. So what's better the books or the movies? Definitely the books, of course. And I love, I don't know, I just like reading the Order of the Hobbit and then the Lord of the Rings. So the movies, it was the opposite. The Lord of the Rings came out first and then The Hobbit. So I was just like, oh, no. And I still need to watch.

I watch parts of it, but not exactly the whole thing. thing, the 1978 movie for Lord of the Rings? You've watched it. The animated one, right? Yeah, and I think John heard even voices a character, a character there. Yeah, but I haven't watched that one. You have, I think. Yeah, I saw that a really long time ago.

And I, you know what's so funny about the Hobbit movies, in my opinion? Why? It's like, the Hobbit, the book is what, maybe like, 180 pages. or something like that. Isn't it a really fast read? Yeah, kind of. And then the movies, what do they do, stretch the Hobbit into like three, three-hour movies or something like that?

Yeah, I saw all three, and each film was like two or three hours long. Yeah, they added a lot of stuff, didn't they, that wasn't in the book? Yeah, there's three books, but they weren't that long. Mm-hmm. Well, I know the Lord of the Rings trilogy made a lot more sense, you know, to have it three movies,

but I was always like The Hobbit, I just thought it was overkill. Yeah, exactly. They just extended it to three films. Well, anything to make the money, right? Yeah. I was just going to say the book wasn't, it didn't feel like it was that long. So I'm just like, okay, well, if you need to, yeah, extend it and extended. Did Peter Jackson direct all of the,

the Hobbit movies also? I'm sure he did, yeah. Because I know he did all three of the Lord of the Rings movies. I didn't know if he actually directed all of the Hobbit movies or not. No, I think he did. And I remember when people were, they were giving criticism about the Hobbit films, he responded. He was like, well, it's not Lord of the Rings.

It's different. So stop comparing. Yeah, something. Yeah, he was like kind of defending the Hobbit films. Well, we're going to, next week we're going to get to see one of his very first movies, right, Brian? Oh, yeah. So do you, can you guess what movie, a new movie that's coming out that we're going to do next week, Jocelyn? It involves puppets and a murder, I think.

I don't know if you've seen the trailer for it or not. The Happy Time Murders? Does that ring a bell? No. Okay. Oh, boy. I hope we're not way off here again next week, Brian. Brian, help us out here, dude.

What's this movie going to be about? We're going to see murders. We're going to see drugs, sex. And it involves puppets and real people. So, this is starring Melissa McCarthy, and we are going to pair it up with one of Peter Jackson's first movies, and that is Meet the Feebles. Which also involves puppets and drugs and everything, right? Oh, yeah. All right.

But it's not a remake. It's just... No. Should be interesting. Is it going to be three shitty weeks in a row, Brian? I'm going to say no. I'm going to go out on a limb and say happy time murders. I think we are all going to be entertained.

It is R-rated as it should be with that description I just gave. Okay, fair enough. All right, well, listen, as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can always reach us at the Horror Returns at gmail.com. and Jocelyn, we hope you email us your review of Slender Man once you get a chance to see it. Yeah, definitely.

All right, be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Podbean, etc. Look for us on iTunes, leave a review. You know what we're doing next week? It's going to be strings attached. Doing a couple puppet movies to Happy Time Murders and Meet the Feebles. So, until the horror returns again, good night.