The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #118: Is It Really THAT Bad?, Part 2 - Bats (1999), House Of Wax (2005) & Dr. Giggles (1992) (Reupload)

Episode Date: July 7, 2024

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All right, welcome back one and all to The Horror Returns. I'm Lance, and with me as always are my co-host, Brian and Philip. How's it going, guys? It is going well. Good, man. Staying busy. Yeah? Yeah, stuff going on everywhere.

I barely had time to watch anything this week. Really? Happened, Leonard. Yeah, what do you think? So I'll take it. It's a little slow to start, but I know we're going to be covering it on a show coming up. So I got some watching to do.

But I'm excited about it. I'll get back on it. jump on the horse and ride yeah it it had me hooked i burned through the the first season in like uh one day yeah oh wow i'm hoping it uh i'm hoping it picks up a little it looks interesting yeah it it gets there uh great characters i like i really love enjoy the characters you get introduced yeah it's cool concept but not too totally out there yeah the first yeah the first the first the first first season was the first book. It's called Savage Season. It was the very first half in Leonard

book. And I actually read the book right before I watched the series. They did a pretty damn good job. They kept up, they kept up with it pretty close. They made a few little changes here and there to the storyline. They actually kind of fleshed it out a little bit. But yeah, it was a pretty well, pretty well done first season. I'm looking forward to the next two for sure. That's probably the best way to do a book is just try to make a TV series out of it instead of trying to cram it

all into a two-hour movie. Yeah, I agree, man. That Mr. Mercedes was perfect. I mean, that was like beat for beat the book itself, you know? I'm going to check that one out. Very few changes to it. Yeah, it was really cool. What else do you see, Phil?

That's about it for me, man. It's been... One episode of Hep and Leonard. Yeah, very much. But it was cool, right? Work and baseball and wrangling kids. Oh, man. Brian, I know you can do better than that, man.

I've been under the weather all week. So a lot of... Get done. Not really. I've had a lot of Benadryl and stuff like that. So if I haven't been at work, I've been out. shows that I've been talking about every week I did watch that

Sharp Objects came to an end The big finale, huh? Yep, and man Was I fucking disappointed No way! Like I stuck around for something I already figured out was happening Oh no, so that's your not so cool of the week

Yeah I was just like What the fuck? I mean, it's, I don't know, the stuff that, that you were like, okay, who's the killer and what's going on with this situation? You, you, if you're paying attention to the show, you already, and then the show, the final, like, few seconds of the show, it just abruptly ends. So, I don't know if it's, I don't, someone told me this is a book series or a book. So I don't know if there's going to be a season two, but I'm not sure if I'm going to go back in a season two. if I'm going to, you know, stay with it for like seven, eight episodes and then just kind of nothing happens in the finale.

I'm just... It's a very style ending, huh? Yeah, absolutely. Man. And Castle Rock, still with it. I'm kind of on the opposite side of Eric, because there's a lot of people saying they need the show to start answering some questions. Okay. I kind of like it where you're not getting a whole whole.

lot because it kind of keeps you thinking. You like the mystery, mystery element of it, huh? Yeah. And I still love the references. I believe there was a Salem's Lot reference in the last episode. So two more episodes with that coming and then the season's over. Have they revealed Pennywise yet? No.

That guy, Scars Guard's still walking around looking creepy. they still don't know who he is no not I mean he's he's talking now and he's kind of I think within I'm gonna say next episode we're gonna get some reveals

on why he's around and his purpose because we're getting closer to that but um yeah it's it's still a little slow but I'm enjoying it but

like I said under the weather couldn't um today uh Ozark season to when Jack Ryan came out and I was going to get to those but didn't have a chance. So you haven't you haven't checked any Ozark out yet, huh? No, probably Ozark and Hap and Leonard, that'll probably be my weekend. That'll work, man. Well, I've got two cool of the weeks again.

Cool. I can't help it. It's another good week. Movie that I've been heard a lot about, but I never saw. it's a long movie it's like two and a half hours long but have you guys have you guys seen the Vince Vaughn movie

Brawlin Sailblock 99 Oh yeah Oh yeah That one was kind of kick ass huh What a great what a great homage to 80s action movies Oh yeah dude that movie was great If y'all haven't seen that go check it out

That was really And some of the special effects in it almost made me feel like they were purposefully making them look a little cheesy and kind of like 80s type special effects on purpose. It looked like it was straight out of the 80s. It really did. And who knew Vince Vaughn could be such a badass. I sure did.

Isn't the same director as Bone Tomahawk? Yeah, I think it's the same people that did Bone Tomahawk and also the puppet master, The Littleest Wright, too. Nice. Definitely get some bona fides, man. Yeah, if anybody hasn't seen it, you have to watch it to see what he does to somebody's face. Several times. And no spoilers, because there's a lot of twist, and it's not, it's never exactly what you,

it's not what I thought it was going to be. Would you guys agree with that? Yeah, I think it was a really well-written story. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, go ahead. No, no, I thought it was just giving me just a straight, up like he pisses somebody off on the first day he gets in there and then there's the big buildup

to the big final fine of something it couldn't be further from that yeah uh when i when i first watched it um i didn't know what to think of it like the first 15 20 minutes yeah i kind of just didn't really know because it was described one way and then it when the movie starts it you just don't know what to think of it and it just you know takes a complete left turn from there and it was I really enjoy it. You know, like, you're right, Philip. I didn't know Vince Fawn could be a badass like that.

Yeah. And it just keeps getting better the further it gets into the movie. Yeah, he gets deeper and deeper in the shit. That's for sure, doesn't he? Yeah. Were you guys like me and you're thinking, how the fuck is he going to get out of this?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's just fucking crazy, man. But, yeah, cool of the week. definitely but I got another cool of the week you just saw the the season finale for

season three of Preacher oh okay you guys you guys watch this show I've only watched season one man yeah I saw like half of season one I cannot believe what they're getting away with on AMC

oh this is the most oh my god this is the most sacrilegious everybody that had read the comic was telling me I'm not going to watch it fuck that it's on AMC and if it was on HBO or Netflix I'd probably watch it because they could get away with what they do in the comic books for example they've got a character named

Humberdue and he's like the illegitimate great great great great great grandson of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene and he's fucking retarded and he runs around hump and stuff and urinating and tapped in and it's just it's the most it's the most offensive it offends everybody and they've got a character named Allfather who's kind of a take on the Pope and he's like always eating and got grease dripping out of you know like he's real gross looking and grease is coming down his chin all the

time and just like the excesses of the Catholic Church and then they've got they've got vampires in it They've got like a sexy vampire. They've got like evil vampires. I don't have a sexy vampire. Yeah, they got it all. It's weird. Yeah, but it's a guy sexy vampire. So it's kind of like an Anne Rice throwback type thing, you know?

Like in New Orleans. Yeah, they've got, they've got characters that are badasses. In the third season, the guy that played Pope in the, Falling Skies that Patrick loves so much. Can't think of the actor's name, but remember he was also in, he played Slink in Blood Drive. Okay. You know the guy I'm talking about it.

He shows up in the third season, and he's, you could tell it's him, but he's like a totally different character from either of the other two he played. That guy's got a lot of range, but, uh, yeah, man, it's a, it's a badass show. I mean, if you, uh, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're easily offended and you're real religious, particularly like Christian, you know, probably

go ahead and stay away from it, but if you're open-minded and you like to get a good laugh, it's a really fucking cool show. And I don't know what they're going to do for the next season because with the way they ended this one, it's like any, it's like the whole game changes.

So, yeah, preach. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard a lot of good things about preacher. I'm really interested. Evan Goldberg, and Seth Rogan, they're doing another comic adaption, but I guess it's going to be on Amazon Prime called The Boys.

The Boys? Yeah. Yeah, it's basically about like a CIA squad that like keeps superheroes in lines by like any means necessary. What? Yeah, and I heard it's like pretty

graphic and I picked up the trade I'm going to read it before the show comes out. Oh, that sounds cool. Yeah. So, but yeah, Preacher, I need to get on that. I've heard a lot of people talking about this third season. Yeah, every season's good, man. Each season, of course, tells its own story.

Like, the first season was in his hometown in Texas. Then it turned into kind of a road trip, and the second season was in New Orleans, and then this third one, he kind of went back to where he grew up. So, yeah, Preacher, I can't recommend it highly enough. It's very cutting-edge television. and maybe the best thing on right now. Wow.

Cool. It works. Dude, I need to take a couple of days off and just watch some effing TV. Yeah. I mean, if you get a lot going on, it's not always easy to do, you know. There's a lot of TV going on right now. A lot of good things. Yeah.

It's a good time to be alive. Yeah, and there's some new stuff coming out now, too, right? Like you said, Brian Ozark, and then I think, if you're into that a lot of people tapped out of the Marvel stuff but Iron Fist starts next week on Netflix Yeah

The Purge starts next week Oh wow No kidding What is Minds MC The Suns of Anarchy spin-off show starts next week Are you going to watch that one?

American Horror Story Yeah I'm going to check it out Yeah American Horror Story is like the week after I think Yep Oh yeah I don't know if the Suns of of Anarchy when makes it

out of my list just yet. I may watch it eventually, but probably not lost you, man. Yeah,

I'm going to watch it because I was a fan of the series, but I feel like the main guy in the show, they're trying to make him like the Jacks or the Mayans.

And I don't know how I feel about, oh, I think I previously said this was like a prequel or something. Right. This happens right after something's in our camera.

Because in the trailer, they drive by the like the memorial where jacks died on the highway right spoilers yeah i got to chuckle spoilers spoilers spoilers for a show that's been off for seven years i got yeah i got a chuck i got a chuckle this i was listening to nez and zisu on the on east society and nes was describing and he said it takes place in a pox in a post jack's world

and then and zeson i think misheard him he thought he said pre-jacks world and he said oh really oh so is it going to be like in the disco era or like in the 90s or something that's it's just go bikers yeah buddy that's the next spin-off show they don't need headlights their clothes are bright enough all right well that's cool of the week and cool of the maybe of the upcoming weeks too so I guess that means that it's time for horror headlines now. Brought to you by Brian. Sonsan An Anarchy Star Ryan Hurst. Everybody remembers he was... Yep, Opie.

He has been cast as beta. Heard about that. I do not know who this is. So can you enlighten us? Well, they're about to start meeting the whispers. These are characters that kind of like they survive by blending in with the zombies, like putting zombie skin on and blood. and everything and...

Okay. And they call him the Whispers. He's going to be super fucking weird. Yeah, they're going to be super fucking weird, but I'm glad they're staying with the storyline, but I don't know, Rick is such a big part of it and Carl. Carl's a really

big part because he... I can say it because he's not going to... He's not on the show anymore, so it's not spoiling anything for TV watchers, but poor little Carl loses his virginity to the daughter of the leader of the whispers, so I don't know,

I don't know who's going to who's going to bang her now or if anybody is or what, you know? That could be a super disturbing scene. And I believe she was just cast too. Yeah, if anybody's been watching Castle Rock,

Cassidy McClinty. Okay. It's been cast as Lydia, which is the daughter of the leader. Right, Alpha? And yes. Well? So she's cast.

So I don't know. Without Carl, though, there goes one of the main storylines. Do you think they have a different direction they already planned on with Rick and Carl being gone? I guess they kind of have to now, don't they guys? Maybe they just kind of update the cast, you know? Take it in a completely different direction. Maybe what we don't know is maybe Rick is staying on the show. they're just, maybe they're recasting.

Oh, no. A different actor to play Rick? Yeah. No, please don't do that. Sammy Hagar. Oh, man. That would be like a bewitched moment. Oh, man.

Oh, yeah. Sammy Hagar. Oh, shit. The recasting singer. Wow. I don't like that idea. I would rather if they just go ahead and just go with different characters, you know, and just kind of like, I guess, change.

Because they do that now anyway, because Andre is still alive in the comic books, and obviously she's long dead on the show, so. Yeah, thank God. I'm down for Opie playing somebody fucking weird, though, man. He does that well. Who's that? For Opie.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Opie. Yeah, he was, yeah, he was fucking weird on that show. With his little kimono robes he was always wearing. Yeah. Right. He's great.

I loved him here. Let's see. Alec Baldwin has been in the news. He had joined the cast of the Joker move. Yeah, he joined the cast of the Joker and was rumored to play Thomas Wayne. Oh. Which he immediately denied that that's who he was playing. But then.

Uh-oh, we're losing you. Ryan is fading into the nothing. We're losing you, Ryan, we're losing you, man. Just keep breathing, man. Must be that Alaskan snow already hit that there. Not going to answer your Wi-Fi. I'm back? You're back.

There you are. What are you saying, Brian? What was the last time you heard? We're talking about Bruce Wayne's father? Oh, yeah. Well, he's already left the movie. So I don't know if this is an indication on how good the movie's going to be, or if he actually had scheduling. I don't know. I'm not so super excited about this one anyway, guys. Yeah, it sounded fucking stupid for him to be cast as Batman's father, but Batman's not going to be in it.

What is he going to dress up like? Well, I'm sure they're going to allude to Batman. least. Yeah, but I don't know. It sounds fucking stupid. All right, I'll tell you if he'll show up in a Trump wig, I'm in. Oh, that was also a

rumor, too. He was going to play Thomas Wayne like he, like he, I don't know, I don't know if they said like he plays Trump. Yeah, that sounded fucking weird, too. That's fucking stupid. Is it supposed to be a comedy? I don't know. I mean, the director is the guy that did that.

I don't know. It's a strange choice for not comedy right now. Yeah, the director is the guy that did the hangover movie, so I don't know. Oh, no. This is just a big joke, isn't it? That's what I'm waiting on. Yeah, waiting for the proverbial other shoe to drop, huh? I mean, I don't know. I mean, I like Joaquin Phoenix, and I just read today he's lost a ton of weight to kind of get that Joker frame.

You know, he's a method actor, so. Oh yeah, big time. I kind of, if anything, I think he's going to be good in it. But I think the movie's just going to, I don't know. I don't know the direction they're going. And the cast is kind of all over the place. I mean, Robert De Niro's in it. New is in it, for sure?

Yeah, he's going to be playing like some kind of talk show host or something. Oh, come on. And then your hall pass, Zazi Beat, is in it. She's going to be playing like a former love or something. Of the Joker? Yeah. Man. That's my problem. The Joker is kind of, you don't know

like in the dark night they did it good because every time he was discussing his scars on his face, the story was different every time. Yeah. Because you just don't know. And this one they're giving him back to. Yeah. So, I don't know. We'll see.

I guess. I think we're going to make a Joker origin story. It needs to go like really demented. Yes. Quiet Place 2. Sets a release date for I don't have it. May 15th, 2020.

A little ways away still. Yep. And Crescenti's in it, huh? Rumored. Rumored. Yeah. I guess at the story, If the story is not right, he's not going to be in it.

Wait a minute. Maybe I just, I thought it was, the baby that they had that they had to keep quiet and everything at the end there when it was flooding. Was that a female or a male baby? Do we know? They never said. I wonder if that's him. Like, if this is like a generation later. Oh, and then he grows up to look just like his dad.

I don't know. I mean, I'm just spitball in here, guys. I mean, I watch that. I guess that's a way. I guess that's the way to have him in it without it being a prequel. Yeah. Slow news week.

Just have one more thing. We talked about the Quentin Tarantino movie a bunch on here, the once upon a time in Hollywood. Yeah. They've casted Charles Mint. I said casted. Sorry.

Sorry, Mark. Sorry, Mark. They have casted. They have casted. Charles Manson, and it is justified actor. I've never seen that show. Damon Harriman. For Charles Manson?

They pick an under. They get all these people everybody knows, and then for the main star, they get an unknown. Yeah, and this is the interesting part. He will also be playing Charles Manson in the upcoming season two of Mine Hunter on Netflix. Okay, this sounds like a setup to me, guys. sound true.

Wait a minute. Is this April 1st news you're giving us, or what? I don't know, because I don't even know who this actor is. This is weird, dude. I mean, I see the Joker shit. Yeah, I've seen a picture of him, and he still doesn't ring a bell for me, so. Hmm. And like I said, I've never seen justified.

Well, I don't know. Patrick's trying to get me to watch. I watched like the first three or four episodes of it and I kind of tapped out. Maybe Charles Manson, maybe Charles Manson's really, because this is like, okay, the Quentin Tarantino movie, this is the event surrounding Charles Manson. Right. So maybe they cast it out. Maybe they cast it out, I know, because he's not going to really be the focus. Yeah, I could see that.

And I haven't seen it. Yeah, I haven't seen Mine Hunter, so I don't know how that show goes. so. Speaking of Tarantino, I heard that the Star Trek film is back on. Yeah, without Chris Pine, rumored. Who cares? R-rated Star Trek directed by Quentin Tarantino. You telling me you guys aren't going to see that?

Oh, I'll watch it. I mean, I've loved all the Star Trek movies, all the new ones that's been coming out. So, of course, they're, you know, the same people doing the Star Trek movies, but this time is going to be R-rated. You know what I say. I say they get Samuel L. Jackson in there, man. Always got to be. At some point.

He could be a Jordy. They'll bring him on. Yeah, there you go. The older Georgie. Do you really think Pines are not coming back? I don't know, man. Pines got a lot of stuff going on, doesn't he? Yeah, because wasn't it rumored?

that they were bringing Chris Hemsworth back and there was going to be some kind of time thing where yeah he was going to meet his father I think that's out the window from what I understand but you never know yeah but I mean Chris Pines pretty busy

I mean he's got a shitload of stuff coming out like the there's a TV show he's coming up in and he's he's going to of course be in the Wonder Woman movie so you know yeah I'm sure he's got plenty going on. Yeah, I would think Hemsworth's in it, though, because I heard he contracts done as Thor.

But is that the Tarantino one, though, or just the next regular Star Trek sequel? You know, at this point, I don't even know. Because I think, I could be wrong, but I think Tarantino's is like an offshoot. I don't think it follows the, uh, the Enterprise crew. I think it's a different crew. I swear I read something that Zachary Quinto who plays Spock was talking about the movie like he was in the movie I can't wait to see what happens

Maybe at one point they're just going to merge The two ideas into one Spock makes like a cameo or something Fuck it, why not? Give it a shot You guys know I'm in for anything Star Trek It seems like a good time to be a Star Trek fan or to become one. Right. Especially with the CBS all access.

We definitely have plenty of room on the Starship for you. There's lots of material out there. You want to go back and watch it. Yep. And on that note, on that is on the news. That's the news. So that means it's time to take a trip. I think.

Philip, help me out here. I'm dying. Let's see. Our first trailer is going to be True Detective Season 3. This is starring Marshala Ali, Stephen Dorff,

Carmen Ijogo, and Scoot McNary. Steven Dorff? Stephen Dorff. I don't know where he's been, but they found him. This gave me the whole season one feels when I watched this

more of a teaser. Mm-hmm. And I think Marshal Ali, everything I've seen him in lately, he's been knocking it out to park, so... Yeah, he's a good at you.

Yeah, I'm definitely in. I'm not so sure I'm in, man. I tapped hard out of season two after like two episodes. Yeah, I finished it. I finished it, and it was a fucking chore to get through. Yeah, it's going to take a lot

to get me back. As a matter of fact, Brian, I'm glad you brought this up. This takes us back to something I was about to say when you were talking about sharp objects. Uh-huh. What the fuck is good? What's up with HBO lately, man? They used to have such great programming.

You know, HBO, they brought us the wire. You know, of course, Game of Thrones, which is now wrapping up. The leftovers, the first season of True Detective was so good. And it just seems like lately HBO's just been putting out some shit. Does it just me? No, you're correct. I think with all these other streaming sites and everything, I think they're just rushing things to compete with everybody. That's what I think.

Makes sense. Because, I mean, I haven't been talking about it, but I've been watching Ballers. I like Ballers, but Ballers is not like, I have to watch it every Sunday. right is it kind of an entourage feel yeah pretty much just you know the rock trying to be on the other side you know he used to be a football player now he's trying to be in the business side of things and you know start his own company it's it i would compare it to entourage i did see an episode of that it looks pretty cool it's just an episode in the middle somewhere though yeah it it's good but it's not like like i said i can i can have like two or three episodes build up and then watch it i don't have to watch it

Sunday. Yeah. But is it funny? Or is it a drama or what? It's more comedy. There is some like serious moments to it. It's got a really good cast. What's his name?

Denzelson. That was just in Black Klansman. John David Washington, I think, is his name. Okay. He's really good in it. So I recommend it. Russell Brand. Yes.

He's on the new scene. He's on the new. He is pretty fucking funny on the news. season. Hey, you know what? It worries me about True Detective Season 3, guys. I'm reading the description

of the first episode. Tell me if this maybe they're not trying to rip off Netflix a little bit here. The next installment tells the story of a macabre crime in the heart of the Ozarks. Oh, yeah.

A mystery that deepens over decades. Uh-oh. I don't think they're trying to rip off the Ozarks if it just happens to take place in the same spot. Okay, I'm stretching it a little then, huh? I don't know, man. I didn't watch the second season. I maybe saw an episode, maybe two max.

But I really did love the first season. First season is great. This one, I'll definitely give it a shot when it comes back out just to see, you know. And if they don't have me by a couple of episodes, I mean, you got to kind of come out of the gate swinging with that trash came out with last time. Yeah. I can't even think of anything really.

I mean, there was a good shootout scene in season two. And then Colin Farrow had a great moment where he was, I guess his son was getting bullet. News. Right. So he showed up and confronted the little kid and basically told him, I will murder your father and butt fuck your mom with his dead corpse. Okay. There's that.

Yeah. And, chill the kid out a little bit, huh? Yeah, and I wanted more of that from him throughout the show, but... Yeah. This show was so all over. And Vince Vaughn was in it for... I don't know why. I didn't understand his character, not one bit.

Right. Yeah, so... No release date. It's supposed to be, I think, January. Okay. If I'm correct. So we shall see. And moving on to another TV series, this will be on CBS All Access, the streaming site.

This is Tell Me a Story starring Chris Brochu, Austin Butler, Danielle Campbell, and Kim Cottrell. Okay, well, I wish I knew from the trailer what it was about. I, I haven't, I, I don't know. Yeah, I wish I cared more, but I don't. Yeah, it got talked up on some of these horror websites, and I looked at it. It's supposed to be a twisted take on fairy tales, which I kind of got a sense. This one is Red Riding Hood. But then I don't understand the pig mask, because...

Yeah, the three little pigs, man. Yeah, so maybe it's a bunch of mashed up fairy tales, and I don't know. Sounds kind of stupid, really. That's at least an interesting aspect to it, because everything I saw on the preview was just, like, super generic. Exactly. I couldn't agree more. Super generic. That's just what I was thinking. I'm going to say this is probably one of those things

where I won't rush out and get CBS All Access. I mean, all the Star Trek stuff, yes. Yeah, well, you know, I've got it anyway. Yeah, the Jordan Peel, Twilight Zone reboot, yes. Tell me a story? Probably not. Oh, well. They got my money anyway with Star Trek.

They had me at Star Trek, so maybe I'll... Since I have it anyway, maybe I'll take a look at it. Who knows? Yeah, maybe we get a first episode review from you. There you go. I'll give it a try. And our final trailer is Hold the Dark, a new Netflix movie from Jeremy Saulnir, which a lot of people, if you don't know, he's done movies like Blue Ruin and the Green Room.

Oh, that makes sense. This star is Alexander Scarsgard, Riley Canoe, James Badge Dale, Jeffrey Wright from Westworld. Westworld. Yep. Macon Blair, who is also one of the writers of this movie. Okay. Yeah. Well, it's on Netflix, so it's free, boys. Yep.

What did you guys think of Hold the Dark? I'm excited about this one. Yeah. This is definitely the one of the three trailers that we watched today. This is the one that stood out to me. It looks awesome. Cool. Yeah, I hear Jeremy Solner and Makin Blair.

I'm watching it. Yeah, I'm in no matter what, for sure. I wasn't as blown away as I was hoping to be by the trailer, but it is just the trailer. Yeah, it left enough mystery for me to want to watch it because, you think it's one way, but then they kind of introduce a different aspect to it, and it has me really curious. And I'm trying to figure out, because Jeffrey Wright, he is built. He is not the first build on this, but he is, like, prominent throughout the trailer.

Yeah, no kidding. Like, he's the main star in the trailer. Yeah, they got Alexander Scarsguard first build in this, and you see him, like, a couple times. Right. Maybe it's just because he's a bigger name. Well. Yeah. I don't know.

I guess he was Tarzan, so. I guess we'll find out, man. September 28th on Netflix. Okay. I'll be there, day one on this one, man. Nature and horror. I like it. Dude, you said that about the Punisher,

and you never even finished the fucking series, dude. I know, dude. I got bored with it. It's not what I wanted to be. All right. and that is our final trailer cool well that's the trailers and that's the news

um philip i got a i got a strange feeling we got a little bit of feedback this week says have you guys seen either cannibal holocaust or a serbian film i don't want to see for one of those okay i've seen cannibal holocaust right it's not as bad as it's made out to be it's actually it's kind of tame except for the actual like killing of animals it's kind of like oh wow yeah so is that one of those like real real shit happening films it's um it was made i believe there was a big lawsuit after the movie came out that they thought these people actually got killed because uh oh i heard about that yeah the director had told the actors to kind of like

not be out in public and they really thought like maybe they got murdered and they had to like reveal themselves later like look you know we're not dead it's just a movie so right yeah a Serbian film I will fucking never watch that ever again oh you have seen it yeah it is

fucking gross and disturbing there's fucking all kinds of I don't know there's baby rape and all kinds of it's it's very yeah I will never never watch it again.

I'll pass on that one. Yeah, if you guys were ever to, like, say, or we're doing it for the show, that'll be the first show that I will back out on. Okay. I saw it once, and that's it. Right. Once is enough. There's always a pros list and a cons list when you're watching a movie, and baby rate

definitely makes the cons list on... Just about any of them. I think that would be top of the line. I'm like, well, definitely don't want to watch that. Uh, anyhow, uh, she said she watched both films over the weekend and must say they are rather really disturbing. Uh, here are my highlights. Here we go. Interesting fact.

The first film, Cannibal Holocaust, was under investigation because it looked so real that people thought the actors were actually dead. Oh, there you go. Yeah. It's disturbing as it contains sexual violence and animal abuse, which was real. by the way. Nevertheless, it has garnered a cult following throughout the years and it will satisfy those who like gruesome.

This film inspired the Blair Wish Project. Man, I don't even read this first. To be shot as a lost documentary. A Serbian film is just as disturbing. It contains necrophilia and child abuse.

However, the creators have said that this is a parody of political correct, politically correct films made in Serbia. And the sexual violence portrayed in the films reflects the Serbian government's treatment of them. Okay, now that sounds like a stretch.

I don't know. Maybe it's an art thing, although, yeah, that's, they went a little overboard with it. I don't know. You know art people. It says, I know Australia, New Zealand, and Norway have banned both films

and Cannibal Holocaust still remains ban in more than 50 countries. Wow. But that's just one of those things that will feed into the folklore. You know, people want to see the most real shit. So people will seek that shit out. Like the faces of death, I remember when that was. Oh, I love those.

Oh, yeah. Remember the guy that landed in the, he parachuted into the alligator farm? Oh, yeah. That's a bad day right there. I don't know that I ever actually watched it. Oh, it's pretty fucked up. Yeah, my brother-in-law was, like, when we were younger, he was, like, obsessed with those videos,

so I've seen most of them. Maybe we'll do them for the podcast one time, Phil. Oh, fuck it, why not? Maybe not the baby rape thing. Nah, we'll pass this. Regarding Dr. Giggles, That's one of our movies for today. Angela Shank says, I love this movie.

Awesome. Oh, here we go. Regarding Opie's casting as Beta in The Walking Dead, Mike Elric says Hope Beta lasts longer than he did in the comic. Uh-oh. Nez posted a picture of Emilio. Emilio!

Estabas Young Guns. This is the only Billy the kid that matters. 80s Of course Nez And then, you know, the one in Bill and Ted Oh yeah Yeah, he wasn't bad

All right He also found a picture of Lance With his BFF Dane DeHaan Uh-oh Yeah, Lance Why did you never How come you never shared that pictures with us? How come you never shared the picture with us?

Well, Nez did. Nez hooked me up, so it's all good. Did they shop a big shirt even there? Arm around, Lance and everything. Yeah, we go pretty far back. We go pretty far back. We're BFF, guys. That's friends forever.

All right. Regarding our show, our friend's show, the Padded Room podcast, Lars from Denmark says, I'm addicted to this crazy, cool, funny show. He's got good. He's got good taste, man. Padded Ring, an awesome podcast. Good adjectives.

I like it. Darian Brock says, L.O.L, there's medication for that. Okay. More padded room? More cowbell. More cowbell. Kevin Nez says,

Hey, Lance, take it easy on fat people. Melissa's getting paid. She's got a strike while the iron is. and you're smoking spot and you're smoking. Spy and Ghostbusters was hella funny. I wouldn't say hella funny. Oh, okay. He's talking about, uh, he's talking about the Happy Time murders, Melissa McCarthy.

Oh, God, God forbid. Well, he hated that too, I think. Oh, yeah, he did. He posted a, he posted a poster on our, on our group page with the words, I believe, hella trash on it. Yep, that's going to be on the next line of feedback. But still talking about Melissa McCarthy, Stephen Lobad says Ghostbusters was fucking.

Sarah Eliasson says love spy, but Ghostbusters, not so much. Not so much. Yeah. Regarding the new season of True Detective, Lars from Denmark says, looking very cool like the first season. That's what you said, Brian. Yep, it's got that feel.

I like it. Regarding the happy time murders, here we go. Kevin Nez says trash. There you go. And all capital letters, with a big old exclamation. Trash. Stephen Loblad says,

why would you even waste your money on something like that? She's been trashed since Mike and Molly ended. Damn, some more Melissa McCarthy hate. More hatred, huh? Sarah Eliasson says, no she hasn't she's been in a few good movies Cherie Pierre says I was hoping it was it was

I was hoping it was going to be as funny as like Team America funny oh that would have been great yeah that's what I was hoping for well they you know I don't think they quite hit that but there were some funny moments Darren Wilson says

so you were the four people who went to see Happy Time murders I heard it didn't do I guess I'll find out shortly. Yeah, and it's only made, going into week two, only $12 million off of a $40 million budget. Ouch. Well, there may not be a happy time murders, too, huh? Dude, they were advertising the shit out of that, too.

Yeah, they were. Yeah. So if that $40 million, that's the production budget. There's no telling what the actual advertising budget was for this. Had to be a lot. I saw it everywhere. Yeah. It was on a freaking Joe Rogan podcast.

They were advertising this fucking... Oh, really? Yeah. I know you couldn't... At one point, you couldn't watch YouTube without the video pausing for advertisement of this movie. Yep. Well, they did in the right spots, but it didn't pay off.

Sheree P. Pierre posted... Would you rather be locked... Oh, this is a good one. Would you rather? Would you rather be locked in a haunted mansion for seven hours with Kayako, Samara, and Annabelle or

stranded in the woods for seven hours with Michael, Leatherface, and Pennywise. Shit. You got to take that Jesus in the woods, man. I think I'd probably go woods, too. Just because they're not... Yeah. ...cept Pennywise.

Pennywise is a wild part, I feel like. But Michael and Leather's... face. I mean, you could either outrun them or maybe. Or, yeah, I find a big ass stick or something. Okay. I was saying, I can't go the other way because they'll just

you'll run and they'll just appear in front of you. Right? So, there's no point. There's no getting out of that. I'm pretty sure you'd die. Yeah, I think you're fucked either way. Pretty much. Which way would you rather die? All right.

Friend of the show, Michael Feltzer. has posted, so it has finally been announced. Maximum Overdrive. Hey. Yes. We'll be a part of the Bestron line from Lionsgate. This was a huge project for me, and I wanted to take a moment to clarify some things

for those of you with questions out there. Number one, Stephen King was approached to be involved, and he politely declined to participate. I don't know the reasons why, and that's his business. I will say... He said he hated the movie. Well, there we go. He doesn't even remember making it.

Right? He was coked up the whole time, right? Yeah, that was one of our fun facts. I will say that he got back with me very quickly, and he was very cordial about the whole thing. A class act, while his involvement would have been beyond exciting, I truly appreciate the fact that he responded to me at all. That's pretty cool.

You wouldn't believe how many... people don't even bother to do that and none of those people are as busy as Stephen King. That is fucking cool. Cooler if he was involved, but hey, he got to have a conversation with Stephen King.

Number two, the uncut footage. I, as well as many others, scoured the globe for any trace of the now legendary gore and material cut from the film prior to its release in 86. We turned up some leads, but

Ultimately, they failed to pan out. I know that sucks. Too bad. Too bad. That answers Thomas Morratti's question, doesn't it? Yeah. No steamroller. I know you all wanted to see this stuff.

Lord knows I did too, but it just couldn't be located. Stephen King got back to me saying that he didn't have a copy of it either, so there goes that long-standing urban myth. It may still be out there sitting on a shelf somewhere, but it has not been discovered in time for this edition. Number three, this edition utilizes a new HD master and made a couple of years ago, but it did undergo some significant color correction

to fix some of the issues that have plagued some other Blu-rays and other territories. Number four, there's a lot of bonus features on this that I sincerely hope people appreciate. I spent over a week in Wilmington getting loads of great material on the movie, including footage of a certain iconic truck face that was revealed to me during my time there. Cool. Anyways, there's a lot to be said about this production, but for now that's it.

I hope you guys enjoy the new Blu-ray as much as I did producing for new features. Man, that's kind of awesome. Thank you, friend of the show, Mike Belcher. Yeah, I'm hoping, fingers crossed, we can get him back on the show again. Do you guys remember how much fun he was on the March Madness show? where he took over he took over one of the categories remember

yeah it's because I had like just shown up and I like didn't have my paper train and he's like what the fuck are you doing you idiot let me take over no his ad at the end was awesome oh yeah there was a real thing right oh my god we had to get Michael

I don't know if you're listening Michael if you're I know you're out there somewhere buddy if you're listening reach out to us, man, we really want to get you on the show again. Anytime. You're welcome. Anytime at all. That shit was hilarious.

Thanks, Mike. Terrible Tanya from the horror mafia posted a really disturbing picture in the group. Uh-oh. That relatable feeling you get when eaten by an... You're going to make me say this. Anthroposized bird with a cauldron on its head

while blackbirds fly out of your anus. Oh, well. Okay. I don't have any idea what the fuck she's talking about, but sure. No, I missed that picture, but I assume it was part of it. Chad Pino says, I hate it when that happens. Damn you, Bosch. Like the TV show, Bosch with Titus Welliver?

Is that what he's referring to? I don't know. I can't remember the last time I looked at Facebook. Hmm. Okay. whatever. Yeah, sorry. Hey, Michael,

hey, guess what? Speak of the devil. Felscher just message me, Brian. Can you get, when you get a minute, can you get a list together of all the shows we have coming up that don't have guests

like through the end of the year or like as far as you can, as far as you can go, man, and I'll forward it over to him when you can get it to me. All right. Just give him a choice. Yeah, give him a choice, man.

He says he wants to come back on again. so. Nice. There you have it. A lot of fun, man. He was fun to have on the show. One of my favorite guests. That is it for listener feedback this week.

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Bad ass. Does it say hella good on the back? I wish it did. Fucking, why does it not? That would be great. We need

to get one that says hella trash too. Yeah, for the happy time. Is it really that bad? Part two. We cover 1999's Bats, 2005's House of Wax, and Dr. Giggles. So we'll start out with Bats. As always, a little bit of trivia. Director was Lewis Mourneau, also known for Joyride 2 and Carnosaur 2.

Writer John Logan, also known for, here we go, Star Trek Nemesis, an alien covenant wow get some cred with a final budget of 5.25 million the film went on to gross well over 30 million worldwide and theatrical DVD digital

and television sales the film recouped its entire budget during its first seven days of release so where the fuck is bats too I think there is one it's on like a sci-fi thing yeah there needs to me The bats in the film were a combination of animatronics,

CGI, and two live bats. The two original bats in the film were brought over from Indonesia. Can I go first? Yeah. So this is what I don't understand. Why would you put this movie in? Is it really that bad, Brian? This movie was fucking hell of good, man.

Okay. I love it. How I do... I scour the internet for movies. that are considered that bad. That don't mean they're actually bad. Okay. And this popped up on like two or three different lists.

So I thought it was worth a discussion. Okay. I really liked it. I mean, yeah, was the story stupid? Yeah. You know, was it dumb having that freezing unit that they had the helicopters lift down into that fucking mind to try to freeze them all and all the people attacking them?

The army's going during the day. during the broad daylight and stuff like that. I mean, going at... No, what did they do? They went at night, right? They tried to sneak in at night. Yeah, because that was the smartest thing to do. Yeah, but I mean, as far...

I'm going to put it to you this way. I thought this... For 1999, I thought the special effects were really, really good. I really loved the look of the bats, and the way the bats kind of got bigger. And AJ watched it with me, and we were kind of like, those are more like gargoyles than bats, you know?

and then I love the storyline it's that same old fucking storyline that you got from Jurassic World that same storyline that you get from all these fucking movies where science runs a muck and you get the mad scientist but this mad scientist dude he takes the cake man

Bob Gunton the actor he's so good he was so good man he was just completely over the top as the super mad mad mad scientist he wasn't even doing it just for money I think he honestly was doing it to literally create chaos. He was just evil. Is he,

is he like the bad guy in everything he's played? It kind of seems that way, doesn't it? Because he was the warden in Shawshank. Yeah, there he is. You brought up Iron Fist. He was in the Netflix Marvel universe. He was in Daredevil, and he was one of like the crime bosses or something.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he sure was. Lou Diamond, let's not mince words. Lou Diamond Phillips' acting was terrible. And it really, actually, I don't know if it was his acting so much as the dialogue he was given. It was that accent coming in and out. Well, you know what? Those corny one-liners, man, that he forced him to say.

I don't know who the main chick was. Dina Meyer, Dina Meyer. I've never seen her in any. anything else. She was definitely super hot. It's always... Supermodel bad expert? Yeah, it's exactly. It's always so cool to see a bad expert who like, you know, where's a tank top and looks like a supermodel, you know? Why not?

No, I thought it was a super fun movie. I loved the section in there where they were attacking the little town there. And it was just the day after, like in the morning when the sun came up and it looked like a nuclear bomb it hit or something. Like everything was smoking and destroyed and people were in hiding. No, I had a hell of a good time with this movie. I loved it. I'm glad you picked this one, Brian.

Yeah, it's a super fun movie. I remember watching it back in the day mostly because you know, Lou Diamond Phillips was in it and I was a fan of like Young Guns and the Bomba and stuff like that. Oh, yeah. And yeah, it's fun.

You're right. The story is stupid and watching it now. The CGI part of the bats is really bad. Yeah, but it was fun, man. I kind of like, 1999, dude. I mean, they did what they could with the budget they had, you know? Yeah, but I really like the

effects of the bats. Even though I was confused and why the other bats got bigger. Well, they were genetically mutated, man. Come on. Only two were. Well, yeah, but weren't they breeding and weren't they passing the virus on?

I don't know I miss that part It's like they were super A horror movie man Come on And you know There was a lot of good scenes I love that scene at the end

When they turned on that stupid Freezing machine And tried to sneak away Right I liked when When they thought they were sneaking away And all the bats' eyes just opened You just got that shot

I loved it I loved it man That was super cool And Dina Myers If you guys don't remember her She was in Starship Troopers.

Oh, is that what she was in? Was she Topless in that one? Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. One in the shower, right? Yes. Yeah. I remember it. Now I remember. Yeah. It's all coming back now. It's all coming back to me.

Yeah, I like that. I like the guy that was the mad scientist dude, because you're right, it wasn't about money. It wasn't about anything. He was doing it. In his, his mind purely for the science. Oh, and at the end, at the end, I told AJ, I said, look, he's going to open his arms wide and say, come to me, my bats. And what did he do?

He opened his fucking arms wide, and he said, come to me, my children. Well, that ought to tell you what you need to know about the movie right there. There you go. I'm kind of going on a rabbit hole of Dina Myers on Wikipedia. She was also in the sorrow movies. What? Oh. She was the one that.

I remember the contraption that ripped her rib cage open, and she was kind of spread out like an angel. Vaguely. There's been so many of them now, I forget. Yeah. That was hard. Yeah, it says she was in Saw 1, 2, 3 and 4. Wow.

Really? Look at that. She was in Piranha 3D. All right. I think I would have remembered her in Piranha 3D. Yeah, I'm sure she was topless in that one too. Start. Our track Nemesis.

she was in that one she was a Romulan oh wow oh and the classic Johnny Pneumonic she got to remember that but since it first came out check that one again

oh maybe that'll show up on this the next one but back to the movie yeah I thought it was super fun you know it was cheesy but I think that just added to the fun there was loads of stupid

Leon. Leon. Yeah. Leon. That guy. I could have done without him throughout the movie. He was clearly supposed to be the comedic relief. You know what?

I almost find it a little bit offensive in a way because if you think about it, he kind of paved the way. All the horror movies now, look at like the Meg, for example. Every horror movie you can think of always has the one comic relief and he's always a black guy. Am I right? Yeah, the jokes were clearly written for that. You got the opening scene where she's talking to him on the radio, and she says, you got to remind me to lay off the cheese case, because, you know, she's climbing through caverns and stuff.

And he makes basically, oh, you know, I'm a brother. So depending on where that weight goes, I'm all fine with it. Right. And there was a bunch of them kind of jokes throughout there. I like it as long as it's well in the right spot or something like that. Yeah, it was super scared. We're not political on this podcast, so fucking little politically incorrect humor, why not? Yeah, I could have done without his character because, yeah, because he was kind of, I don't know, one minute he was like screaming and trying to run away and then the next minute he was trying to be, yeah, I was.

He was, he was, to quote, to quote myself regarding Dane DeHan, he was serviceable. Yeah. I can't believe he didn't make a joke about crazy ass. white people trying to like explore and climbing caves and jump off fucking buildings and shit. Well, fuck, he was doing it too. He didn't. He stayed on top. Oh, he sure did.

He never, he was the smart one. That's right. That's right. Smart. Yeah, and there was points in this movie I didn't get. Like when they had the suits on, that was Kevlar. Yeah, what was that? I was wondering that.

they were still getting bit. I didn't understand. Why bother? Like, what was the point of putting the suit on, right? Well, they had to have the bass for the bat shit, the guano. So it wouldn't stink too bad, or what? No, the fumes, it gives off

of, uh, what is the fumes that are? Yeah, it's got like poisonous gases in it. But weren't they walking through the guano without any suits on it at another scene in the movie? Well, Lou Diamond Phillips at the end when he's trying to get the bat off him

he takes his helmet off so I didn't understand why he didn't instantly suffocate or die from the fumes Yeah you can't try to make too much sense of it If you start looking for plot holes In this one you're Talk about a round of a lot Yeah

But By the end of the movie I had lots of fun with it It's a good 90s fun horror bat movie. I mean,

I don't really know how to describe it. It's bats. That about does it right there, man. I think that's, that's kind of about how I feel about it.

It's nothing special to me. Bats, to me, are not real super scary, so it's, it's not one of my, you know, like arachnophobia.

A lot of people are really creeped out by spiders, so, and I'm one of them. So, seeing that movie does something to me. But bats, I don't really care about. So this one was a little, it was definitely cheesy, campy, and a little bit milk toast for me.

I think that's why it didn't do better. It wasn't bad. They had a pretty decent storyline. The writing was pretty stupid, but that falls right in the line of the campy thing. Um, sure. Where the fuck is Ozzy Osbourne when you need him, you know? He could have shown up and taken them all out, huh? Yeah.

So I wasn't mad at this one at all. Um, it, I don't, I don't think it's one of those, you know, it doesn't compare it to like Limp in the Hood. Oh, yeah. How bad it is. But, but it also is not super memorable. If you haven't seen it before, if you're really freaked out by bats, it's probably worth the watch. Or if you're just, you know, looking for something very 90s, this definitely works for that.

Yeah, it fills the bill. It's not a must-watch list by any means. Fair enough. Well, are you guys ready for scores? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to surprisingly give this, definitely liked it a lot more than I didn't like it. I'll give this one to get strong six.

I'll fair. Yeah. Had fun. I'm going to go a little higher. I'm going to go six and a half. I think it's a fun, cheesy movie. Not bad. I'm going to go five and a half.

I think it was... Not bad. Better than it was bad. Cool. That makes sense? Yeah. All right. I mean, at the end of the day, we all recommend it.

Yeah, I think so. All right. There you go, 1999 Bats starring Lou Diamond Phillips. House of Wax, I thought that was a 1958 classic starring Vincent Price. Oh no. No, not this one.

Director Jean-Colette Serra. He's done some pretty good movies, actually. Also known for Orphan and the Shallows. Oh, yeah. Now, get this. This dude has also been pegged for the upcoming live-action Disney movie.

Disney's jungle crews basically right yeah starring the rock yeah hey the dude the dude's made it man oh and look at this writers chad and carry hayes also known for the conjuring one and two so guys

this movie should be a fucking classic from it's got Paris Chilton I mean holy crap all right so here's the weird trivia and you and I'm going to leave it up to you guys because I've seen this once but it's probably been 2005 since I've seen it,

so I'm going to let you guys go on this one. I just kind of ran out of time, but Elisha Cuthbert got stuck repeatedly in the melting wax bed while filming the final scenes of the movie. The wax was actually peanut butter. I knew that wasn't wax. And then one more Elisha... Slightly broacher.

One more piece of Elisha Cuthbert trivia. She insisted on you. using real glue over her lips instead of prosthetics for the scene where Carly's lips get glued together. So she's a trooper. She's a trooper. She's a method actor. It's not that kind of movie. All right.

House of Wax, boys. Let me hear it because I haven't seen it in a while. I can't wait to hear what y'all have to say. It's been a while since I've seen this. I remember not liking it when I first seen it. But there's actually some good moments in this movie. I mean, the characters are really not likable, any of them. Especially, I mean, I don't give a fuck about Paris Hilton.

Well, who does? The dude that plays her boyfriend, I couldn't wait for... Chad Michael Murray? No, I believe he's Elijah Cuthbert's. Supposed to be her twin in the movie. Hmm. What is her boyfriend's name? The Black Dude.

Yeah, we'll just go with that. he just came off so like I can't wait for you to fucking die he had that uh when they it's the scene where they smell the dead road kill in the woods as somebody says it smells like something died and he was like well let's drink

this party back to life bless me with a beer bro I was like oh I want you to fucking die and he actually has a pretty yeah he actually has a pretty good death scene I mean you don't he gets stabbed in the throat you don't see it, you don't see him get stabbed,

but then the character with the mask, Vincent, walks over and kind of finishes the job by stepping on the knife through his throat. And I thought that was a good, there was some good death scenes in this. Yeah. Harris Hilton gets the pipe through the head. Javelin.

Oh, man. Yeah, I just kind of holds her up. I can rewatch this one. Yeah. This story's okay. I mean, it's kind of like, why would you go to this fucking random town there's not even a road to it

and the guy taking you there is really sketchy in the first place but Oprah did I have that house of a thousand corpses vibe a little bit yeah it's like well in that in that moment yeah why would you go with these people why would you know like no I'm not going with you

I'm not getting in, like in this movie, I'm not getting in this weirdos truck who picks up roadkill and just dumps it. And then he takes me to a town that's not even on the GPS, no road to it. And when you get there... Especially since their buddy still had a working car.

Yeah, well, he didn't want to leave his car. To go to town, he's going to have to leave it anyway. Yeah, so, yeah, true. So they could have just jumped in the other car. That didn't make sense. but there's part of the story that again bringing it back to sharp objects like if you're not paying attention

they already revealed the big reveal the big reveal beforehand so I thought that was kind of of fucking bad writing but I think the overall the thing that was fun for me was some of the death scenes were pretty good some of them were kind of

off screen and that kind of sucked but when you did see something. I thought it was pretty fucking cool. Yeah. You know what? I was expecting to watch this and really fucking hate it. And I definitely didn't really fucking like it, but it wasn't the worst thing I've ever seen. It's, the characters are definitely

hateable. At one point, while I was watching the movie, got up to go to the bathroom and came back and I was like, are these fuckers dead yet? and it's they have uh i i do agree that some of the kills were uh were pretty creative um they've got a weird thing with feet in here there's a couple like you know there's a cut your achilles scene and there's a stab you in the foot scene and uh those are those are both they make me cringe uh so that was kind of cool um harris hilton i got to say you know she gets a ton of hate, obviously, for obvious reason.

Let me ask you this. Would there be a Kim Kardashian if there was never a parasilper? No, there would not. See, so maybe she deserves to be hateable? I don't know. But she's got a scene in this movie where she does this little strip tease thing, and she gets down to her bra and panties. and one of my thoughts was

wow she is pretty you know and she doesn't have the I feel like all the Instagram chicks today especially with their face they have a lot of surgeries and she looks relatively natural

I mean I'm sure she's had a nose job at least everybody did but I thought that that was a cool little throwback I didn't care about her story, though. They tried to make you care about her with the whole pregnancy thing. Oh, yeah.

I didn't care about any of them. Any years. They were all fucking terrible people, man. Like, Elijah Cuthbert's... I always pronounce her brother in the movie. It's just like an all-star CW cast, you know? That is perfect. put right there.

This guy is so hateable. He was such a douchebag through the whole movie. Even like when the truck first pulls up and he's like just sitting there with his lights on and he's kind of looking at him just sitting there. And they all get up and start like flipping the fuck

out like he's doing something wrong. And then dude throws a fucking beer bottle through his headlight. What? It's a guy in a truck, man. He didn't even say anything to you. Maybe overreacting a little bit.

You're kind of asking to get murdered at this point. That's what you call a road rage. Oh, yeah. Looking it up right here, Chad. Michael Murray was on a CW show. How many was he on? At just one? I don't know.

I guess that's all it takes to be. I don't know. There's no one to root for in this movie. Really. Well, and there's that dude who is in, like supernatural, right? Oh, there was one good joke. Because you know they got to have the funny guy in here.

I like how he made fun of his air cut. Asked him, did you go to the barbershop? I asked for the he-man cut. Oh, yeah. First thing I thought when I seen him. That was funny. When he said that, because it goes really overlooked. Yeah.

They don't make a big deal about that joke at all, but that was probably the funniest line in the movie. the he-man cut guy he had a very painful not even a death scene because that was that was prolonged because he's the one that gets made into a mannequin was that the guy from supernatural yeah yeah and he's alive when they find him and the guy like is trying to

peel the wax off and he's basically peeling his skin off but then he keeps going yeah he's like oh man I'm sorry let me peel some warrior face off maybe it'll fix it No, this is, there's, there are so many stupid people moments in this movie. And there's so many times, especially towards the end of the movie, where they like, have the bad guy down and add a disadvantage. And what do they do?

They run the fuck away. Oh, boy. Like, dude, you already kicked his ass and he's on the ground. Finish the job. Right. It's kind of like, hey, we got the guy down on the ground. Hey, dude, beer me. yeah no he would he would say bless me

bless me bro bless me with the beer look in on Wikipedia here I never knew that the twins were actually played by the same actor so the one without the mask is the same guy as the one with the mask and I thought all the stuff with the wax house the whole house being waxed with I thought that was pretty cool even though when it melted I was like

that is not wax, but now that you're telling me it's peanut butter, I was like, yeah, okay, that makes a lot of sense. It looks fucking dangerous, though. Like our friend Denny Lewis's favorite movie, The Peanut Butter Solution? I have not watched that movie in so long. I have seen that movie before. Okay, sorry. Didn't mean to get off topic there. But the scene you were talking about, the bed scene, that looked like it could go really wrong. really quick the way everybody's sinking into everything. Right.

Yeah. Well, it was a really cool effect by the end of the movie, but I kept thinking the whole time when they were like, oh, the whole house is wax. I was like, how can that be like structurally sound? Yeah, what happens when it's daylight, the sun's shining on it, right? Yeah, they had electricity and everything in his house. Yeah.

What electrician ran wires through wax? Oh wow. I could just see it now when they're sitting around writing the script for it. They're like, hold on, hold on, dude here, pass me that. All right, hold on. Bear with me. It's a house of literally of wax. Get it?

But then when that happens, my immediate reaction to that is, oh, that's awesome. Wait a minute. I don't think that would work. I'm way too detailed about why. Philip, what did you think about the, I guess, the twist at the end when you hear the police? There wasn't twins. The mother had three boys. Oh, that was fucking stupid.

Oh, boy. There was a lot of kind of pointless aspects to the plot, but that was the biggest one. Wow, did they really have to. That's, it was worse than a dream secret. And it wasn't because the whole movie ended bad. but that one line at the end of it just fucking killed it. You guys got to want to see it again, though,

for the kill scenes. There was some good ones. There was some good ones. Yeah, Paris Hilton, I think, was probably the best that scene. Yeah. You know, the only

I guess she's been in another movie, too, but the only movie that wasn't shot in my vision. Right. scores um yeah

oh you went first huh uh i i could go um i like the deaths i think i like the deaths more because i didn't like anybody in the movie i didn't even care for elijah cut

birth i was kind of laughing when she had the one scene where she was sticking her finger through the grate or whatever trying to get his attention and he bent down and cut her finger off yeah the one thing kind of got me the Achilles thing

kind of got me because that was kind of like it looks very painful yeah but the story was just like blah blah yeah that bad huh

so I didn't hate it so I'm right there in the middle I'll give it a five yeah not bad not bad It's hard to score because of that. Like, it wasn't a really terrible movie.

It was just, you know, really hateable character. You know, these kids are fucking stupid kids. I think it was made now. This would be one of the movies where, if we was reviewing it now, like, as a new movie, I would be hella pissed off in the theater because this theater would be packed with teenagers for this movie. Sure. Well, it's no bye-bye man, though. I'll give it a link credit.

It's no Happy Time murders, right? Yeah. I like that. Way. This movie was way better than Slender Man, I'll tell you that. Oh, fuck, yeah. I don't want to do Cunderman again. We agree on that.

I was thinking the other night, that tangent, but my kid has a little sound machine and it's just crickets, right? And that's how they go to sleep. Oh, you thought the movie was playing? Yeah, and I was like, man, that is exactly like Slender Man. Like, they made this movie and put this little sound machine there and just forgot, turned the motherfucker off. Anyway, I'm going to give this one a five also. It's just hard to score.

I think it's right in the middle. So maybe not as bad as some say, huh? Yeah, it's not so bad that it's good. And it's not good enough to go watch. So I don't know that I would really recommend it. if you've never seen it. But if you want to see Parishet, Hilton would be killed,

there's that. Well, that's worth the price of admission right there. Let's drink this party to life. Bless me with a beer, bro. The way he says it, too. Even when you're saying it right now, it fucking irks me.

And when he threw him the beer, I was just like, just hit him with the fucking beer bottle. Just the way he said it. And I like how they, and you brought up how he was an asshole, the twin brother, whatever.

Yeah. And all of a sudden, when he wants him to throw a beer, all of a sudden, everybody's friends again. I didn't get that part. Like, you hate him, and now we're drinking, now we're all friends. And then now we hate him. Now we like him. Yeah, he was just such a douchebag for the whole first half of the movie, and then he just stopped. And I don't even know how everybody's friends, really.

They're all so different. Well, I figured that's why he was her brother. I was like, nobody in real life would hang out with his after. He's the evil twin. Yeah. that you come to find out didn't really do anything wrong it was the the funny guy oh yeah he's still like a car or something yeah he stole a car they give a very vague backstory it's not really important well you guys ready to move on to the big one oh yeah

director of mani cato also known for star kid anybody ever seen that one i don't know what that is i think i did no fucking idea star kid Is that the prequel to Star Man? Could be. Or maybe that's his kid. I don't know. Writers Manicato and Graham Wiffler, who also wrote a screenplay for a movie called Sunny Boy. Never heard of that one either. No. Well, that makes sense.

This looks pretty low budget. Okay. Well, this is going to be interesting, guys. Jennifer Aniston and Ashley Judd both auditioned for the role of Jennifer. I used to love Ashley Judd. I thought she was so fucking hot back in the day.

She's still okay. I mean Jennifer Aniston. That would have been a killer role for her. Was this before, friends? Probably. This is probably right around the time of Lepricon, right? Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Somewhere in there. And then Matt Fruer, you guys know who that is, right?

No. Max Head Room. Oh, yeah. Yes, Matt Fruer and also Ted Danson were considered for the title role of Dr. Giggles. Oh, I, as much as I love Larry Drake, I kind of want to see Ted dancing as Dr. Giggles. Yeah. Well, on that note, I don't think he would have done this well. on that on that note brian what'd you think of the movie man i fucking love dr giggles yeah yeah it is

fucking cheesy and corny and it's just it's fun to me i don't know why it it's one of those movies that i loved uh this movie came out when i was 12 i loved it when i was 12 and i love it now all these years later and larry drake every time you know you could say uh when you bring his name up Darkman and other movies, but he's Dr. Giggles to me. And I like all the corny little puns he does. Oh, God. Throughout the movie, yeah. You think that was bad.

Wait till you get the bill. And then all his little bat line on. He said one about making a house call, right? He had to have. Oh, there's so many in here. Of course, you know, the take two and call me in the morning. And then, you know, he stabs somebody. with two things and

and then the the, the, the, just this movie saw off the top off the wall where he

just opens up his tiny little medical bag and he pulls out the most weirdest torture like contraptions that shouldn't even fit

in his bag that's a good point and I don't know I love this movie and again there's nobody you like in this movie you just kind of want to

see everybody die and you know there's some good, there's some good stuff in here. I think, uh, you got the, the, the, the father's girlfriend that gets the, the stomach pump that for some reason

has a spinning blade in the tube. That was true. And then you've got the actor who was all over 90s movies and TV shows. I think his name was Dougie, Doug. He's the, the black dude. Dougie Doug. Yeah, that was his name. Yeah, he gets

the cool running. Yes. He gets the, uh, what is it, embalming flu? it injected to him. Oh, boy. And then he just starts throwing up his insides. Yeah. You know, there's some good stuff here that just, and this one does not have a Blu-ray release either,

so I'm going to put that one out there. Felsher, you're listening? Yes. Doc the giggles, I need the Blu-ray. Special edition, Collectors. Oh, man. But, yeah, this movie was very nostalgic for me, very fun. Too bad they can't get Larry Drake for any.

interviews now, huh? Yeah, he, what, it's been a couple years since he passed? Yeah, I think it was 2016, right? Yeah, I think so. What did you guys say? That may be the first time I had watched Dr. Giggles and went after he died.

Me too. No, I've never seen this before now. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, I've seen it once before, but I always remember seeing it at Blockbuster on the shelves. Me too. And I always really wanted to rent it, you know, because it had such a creepy-ass cover.

Just never really got around to it and finally checked it out later on down the road. It's definitely seriously cheesy. I mean, the only person really in this movie that's worth the shit is Larry Drake. Of course. He is, he just, this entire movie together.

He delivers these dumb-ass, cheesy lines, and somehow pulls them off. I kind of like Cliff DeYoung, though. You kind of like, oh, yeah, the Eternal Dushbag actor. Oh, you know what I'm talking about. Let's talk. The one with the curly hair in the back for tat, or the main dude?

Oh, the dude that's fishing for the condom with a Is that his toothbrush that he's using? I think so. That guy's fucking, he brings his mom's lingerie. That's so fucking weird. What's the edifice wrecks is this. And when he gets the condom out of the toilet, why does it have so many holes in it already? I know, the water was coming right out of the condom when he lifted it up.

It was like three different holes. Yeah. There were some weird scenes. The saxophone blowjob, did you see that part? Yeah. I didn't miss that one. She's not even that hot. Then I was like, whoa.

Right. For a minute there, I thought he wasn't going to do nothing because he was like, why are you doing it like that? I was like, why do you think she's doing it like that, you idiot? Mm-hmm. Which he was, who, I forgot his name. Wasn't he from Roseanne? John Goodman? I don't remember seeing him in here.

He was the, remember the brothers that was dating their daughters, which I always thought was weird. I don't remember. I never watched Rosie. You have to ask a answer to that one. There was a, what, okay, John, what a Johnny Galecky?

Okay. Yeah, he was the, he played, when he was on the show, he was the, this guy that's in Dr. Gereg, he was the older brother. Okay. Which I believe he passed away also. Huh.

Oh, really? I didn't know. Yeah. I think a drug overdose or something. That'll happen. Hollywood. But, yeah, that scene when he was just, when she was doing the thing with the saxophone, and he was just like, that's not how you use a saxophone? I was like, what is going on here? You're not supposed to put the saxophone all the way down your throat?

That's most to do that. I don't understand it. No, and that's Those are some of the highlights, I think. There's some really interesting kills in this movie. We talk about House of Wax, dude, this one has got some creative kills. Like before Final Destination ever came along, you know, to run that kill game. There was Dr. Giggles. Are there any sequels to this movie at all?

I don't think so. I feel like this could have totally been a franchise. Yeah, it should have been, right? Yeah. The special effects were fucking terrible, especially at the beginning. It was like... Pretty bad, huh? CGI blood platelets floating around.

Mm-hmm. Wow, that... The box office didn't do so well. The $8 million. Oh, my. How much did it cost to make, do you know? Yeah, I'm looking at the... I'm trying to look it up right now.

but I felt like at that time I'm trying to think back I felt like everybody watched Dr. Giggles I don't know maybe it made more on VHS than it did because I don't even remember it coming out in theaters but I always remember seeing it in the

at Blockbuss. Yeah I always remember seeing the VHS and I always wanted to rent it but for whatever reason I never did like never got around to renting it yeah I don't know why It looks so awesome You know Yeah

And I mean It does It gives you what you want In that kind of movie And this one I feel like Is so bad That is good Because there's some really bad

Oh And the main chick She was in charm She played pipe Oh yeah Yeah AJ caught that right away Actually the good thing

About these movies You picked for us This week Brian Is the wife Actually watched them with me Because they were all kind of almost more like action slash comedy slash horror you know what I mean none of them really dealt with like uh Satan or demons or the Catholic Church or

anything so yeah she was able to sit through him and she said oh that's that's the that's the chick from Charmed isn't it and I said oh yeah that is her that is her see it took me until I was done with the movie and I just ran across it while I was looking some stuff up for it I was like yeah I didn't that I didn't like I didn't like in the movie. I didn't, I don't know. She was kind of milk. Stop crying about your fucking. As Philip said earlier on the other movie, she was kind of milk toast.

Yeah, I'm like, stop crying about your fucking heart. I'm like, shut up. Like, I don't know. It was just like, my mom died from surgery, and I have to have surgery, and I'm just going to bum everybody out constantly. Yeah, but Larry Drake

stole the show. Yes. I mean, Larry Drake and I think only he could be, he could be Dr. Giggles. I don't think I'd want to see Ted Dancin or anybody else try it, man. Yeah.

Only Larry Drake can throw an actual heart at you and tell you to have a heart. Have a heart? It's checkout time. Oh, man. What about the last line of the movie? It was so great. And he saw the tongue.

This he started saying it. He's on the floor. He's dying. Spoiler alert if you haven't seen it. And he says, really slowly is there a doctor in the house?

Oh boy grown. I don't know. It's like all that stuff is funny to me. I don't know. Maybe it's just the way he does it. Because even right before then

when he shows up again and she's like screaming, you're dead and he's like, I'm not that good of a doctor. Right. Yeah. Every line. Every single line out of his mouth

is like that. It's completely dumb. But he, You know, he places a state mental patient who wants to be a doctor. And so it all makes sense when he does it. And he does it in a way that's not fucking retarded. But that's my only problem. How much medical training did he actually get before?

Does it matter? I don't know. In my mind, maybe he was a prodigy or something and he just learned all this stuff. from his father when he was a kid right before he got sewn up into his mother's body. Which that scene was weird. I'm trying to get my kid to wipe his own ass. So let me ask you this. Was there a scene, did y'all think there was ever a scene in the movie where you felt like it just kind of went too far,

like jumped the shark or anything? I don't think it was too far in this movie. I kind of was confused at the, uh, I kind of was confused at the, the contraption that he said his father made that basically just stopped her heart. Isn't that already made? Right. Yeah.

Well, and he pulls out all the weird tools at the end. Right. And I felt like maybe he could have been using those throughout the movie. But, you know, he killed a shit-dunned people, like way more than Freddie and Jason in their first couple movies. and he came up with some pretty creative ways to do it, so I'm not mad at it. Yeah, he was great.

I do remember him now in Darkman. Isn't he the one that had the cigar cutter that he pulled out? I believe so. And he cut people's fingers off with it and stuff like that. I didn't know his name when I started watching this movie. I was like, oh, yeah, that guy. That guy. He's that guy.

But he's very recognizable. What did you think, Lance? What did you think of the movie, Lin? I enjoyed it, man. I really did. I liked all the one-liners you guys are talking about. He had more one-liners than Arnold in his best movie. Oh, yeah.

I mean, for sure. Best movies. Well, okay, that's debatable. But I will say this. Like I said, I don't think anybody, any other actor could have pulled off the character, the way that you did. Yeah. You know, I said I wanted to see. Ted Danson, but that's just because I know it will be

awful to the point. Yes. But no. It would be like a Ted Dancent greeting. Yeah. I'm with you guys. I would have liked to have seen about seven or eight more of these movies, you know?

I can't believe there's not. Yeah. It's shocking. I can't believe there wasn't a sequel to Bats. Quite frankly, if it made all its money back in one week, Because they're at the end. I remember specifically at the end of Bats when the Bats popped up out of the ground.

And then I looked at A.J., and I said, ah, so is there going to be a Bats too? And then the truck ran right over the bat, and she looked at me and said, I guess not. But there could have been, you know? Yeah. They could have pulled it off. Yeah.

Yeah. So anyway, I enjoyed this movie. I loved the one-liners. I thought Drake was great. Yeah, I mean, most of the actors in it were like kind of, eh, neither here nor there. But I really did kind of enjoy seeing Cliff D. Young just simply because he's like the ultimate douchebag and everything you see him in.

So somebody like that, it's always satisfying to see him get killed off. But yeah, I mean, for a week with these three movies, Brian, with these three, are they really that bad? I would say every single one of these three movies. and I could say that about House of Wax because I did see it although it's been a long time I just didn't feel comfortable doing a full review

but I'd say they're all so bad they're good man I think you I think you hit the nail right on the head this week Yeah they I had a lot of fun with all three movies Revisiting them I'm ready for the next What are we doing the next one?

If the listeners keep asking for them We might make these happen a little sooner than later, so. All right. But we got a lot of, we got, we got a lot of stuff coming, so. Cool. I was some suggestions on Facebook for some like, you know,

cult classic, really shitty, but good movies. Like that fucking heavy metal one that we watched, we talked about that a few times. It was for, uh, Oh, yeah, yeah. The horror box. Yeah.

Dude. We got to find some other shit like, That was crazy. Oh, it's definitely out there, man. It's definitely out there. Were you guys ready for scores, and then we'll talk about what's coming up next week? Yeah.

You guys might think I'm crazy when I'm going to give this an eight. Wow. I love Dr. Giggles, and I don't care what anybody thinks. Dr. Giggles. I don't blame you. Shit. Well, fuck. I'm not going to go quite that high.

I will give a seven, though. I think it was definitely worth one. Seven's great, man. I mean, it's stupid. Does it really deserve a seven? No. But it's really fun, too. All right.

I think it's one. It earned it. Well, I'm going to go the nice, good old five and a half. Definitely more good than bad. Far-fits, cheesy, stupid Is it all those things, of course But, you know, fun, fully good one-liners Super creative, although kind of stupid kills, yes.

Terrible CG height the beginning, yes. But fun to watch. So, yeah, five and a half, more good than bad. So we all three recommend it. So at the end of the day, Bats, we recommend. Dr. Giggles, we recommend at House of Wax. It's like if you got a free minute and you find it for free, check it out, right? Yeah.

Sounds about right. All right, so as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of The Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can reach us at the Horror Returns at gmail.com. Where else, Brian? Twitter, Instagram, anywhere. The Tumblr thing, I'm about to drop. I don't fucking know how to work Tumblr, so.

Yeah, we'll fuck around. Well, next week we think this may change, but we're pretty sure we're going to, next week we're going to review searching the new John Cho movie. Yes. As well as Megan is missing. Well, on that note, Brian, until the horror returns again. Good night.