The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #12: The Year In Horror 1960 - Peeping Tom, Eyes Without A Face & Psycho (Re-upload)

Episode Date: April 24, 2021

We are joined by Marcey Papandrea from Super Network to discuss Eyes Without a Face, Peeping Tom, and Psycho. Thanks for listening!

And here we are with another episode of The Horror Returns. I'm Lance, and with me tonight, as always are my co-host, Brian and Philip. What up? We are also joined this week by a very special guest, Marcy Papandrea. I hope I pronounced that correctly. Yeah, that'll do. That's right. Super Marcy herself. Creator and podcaster at Super Podcast at the Super Network.

Marcy, can you tell us a little bit about what you do and where our listeners can find you? Uh, hello. Thanks for having me. Um, thanks for being here. Yes. Yeah. Uh, I guess people can find me, um, at my house. Please don't like come to my house. Uh, no, really, uh, everything you want to know is at the super network at supermassy.com where I am a film critic and podcaster and all-round super cool person. And you've been doing this for how long? Like seven or eight years?

All right. That's a good span of time. A lot longer than you, folks. That's for sure. Yeah. This is our resident expert that we've invited on to our show today. And we're just... All right.

Well, let's start out with a discussion of some of the highlights of what we've checked out this week. Marcy, you're our guest. Would you like to go first? Anything that you've watched this week? I know you've been a little bit under the weather, but anything that's really struck a chord? I have not really watched much of anything,

but I did watch the psycho sequels. And you definitely went all in, didn't you? Yes, I did. I watched all of them, one after the other. How many psycho sequels are there? There are three. There are three. They sort of did the Exorcist thing on theirs.

So is Perkins and all of them? Yep, he even directed the third one. Yeah, they're all just kind of continuations. Okay. Are they good? Yeah, I think so. Yeah? Psycho 2 takes place 22 years after the original.

It was directed by Australian director called Richard Franklin. who Hitchcock was his mentor, so kind of makes sense that he would take on a project like that. In that film, Norman Bates is out of psychiatric care and ready to step back into the world of people and the living. Yeah, strange things start happening, people start dying, and then you sort of have to work out the mystery of it. Right. And then the third one,

he's still at the motel. People are dying. Stuff happens. So eventually they're going to catch on that, hey, maybe he's killing all these people. Well, maybe, maybe he hasn't. You know.

Really? Really? For you. And then the fourth one, one, I think it was made for TV. Oh, there's a fourth one. Was that the beginning or whatever? Yeah, by Mick Garris.

And this one is more like flashbacks of Norman when he was in his teenage years about his relationship with his mother, which I think is pretty good because it goes back and forth. and kind of funny that young Norman is played by Elliot from E.T., who's the... Really? From that movie. So it kind of reaches into that Bates Motel sort of... Yeah, like the TV show, I guess. But obviously not quite as long or as detailed.

Right. But when you say it's all about flashbacks, it doesn't go full Godfather 3, does it? It just goes, he calls into a radio show. about they're talking about men that have killed their mothers. So he talks about that, so then it just reflects what he's telling them about what happened in his earlier years. Okay. His mother was overbearing and abusive and it kind of indicates that maybe he was attracted to his mother

because at one point he gets a bonus over his mother. Well, I think, yeah, they sort of. allude to that a little bit and even in the original movie. I mean, I hate to start into the psycho discussion before we get to the psycho discussion,

but yeah. So, yeah, and yeah, I enjoy the sequels quite a lot. I actually think they're pretty decent. The second one, I think,'s the best one, and I think the fourth one is pretty good. The third one,

eh, it's okay. More tries to deal with Norman falling in love with someone. Oh, boy. But they are what they are. I think they're better than some other sequels to classic horror films. Yeah. So the most part, you would say they hold up then. Yeah, I had fun watching them back to back.

I kind of want to see now that, okay, I didn't watch Psycho until today. And I like, I purposely saved it for last. But now that I watched it again, I totally would like to go back and watch all the sequels. Because I forgot how good it was. They are an interesting way to continue the story. I've been meaning to watch the last few episodes of Stranger Things, but I haven't gotten to it yet. Oh, yeah, and finished it. That was cool.

That was one of my things. I watched Stranger Things. And it was, I thought it was really good. I thought it actually picked up towards the end of the season. I kind of binge-washed the whole thing. I agree. I don't think you'll be too disappointed, Marcy. I'm really liking what I've seen so far. I just need to actually finish it.

Yeah. Just get her done, huh? As they say here in the States. Is that what they say in the States? Nothing like that. Dude, you can't say say here in the States and then quote something from fucking the cable guy, Larry, or whatever the hell's name.

But come on, Marcy, you've heard Larry the cable guy. you? Unfortunately. And you've seen the Cars movies. Unfortunately. Moving on. All right. Hey, Brian, what about you, man? Finished outcast. I didn't realize that it wrapped up.

Yeah, it was only 10 episodes. Right. It's pretty good. It started off strong. It was a little slow in the middle. Finished up nicely. I'm interested to see where the season's going next. year.

This is the Kirkman show, right? Yes, with Patrick Fuget. I did remember his name this time. Okay. Yeah, it's a pretty good,

it's an interesting take on like demons and exorcism. Yeah, I haven't seen a single one of them. I also checked out from Dust Hill Dawn the series. I got caught up on that one.

You haven't seen that one. I saw the original, I love the movie. I haven't seen the TV shows, though. Yeah, it's pretty good. It explores like the mythology from the movie explains you know some things.

All I want to know is is Salma Hayek in it. No. Dude, she's still hot. She's like 50 something. Yeah, the only casting I have a problem with is you remember Tom Savini in the movie? He played a sex machine. Yep. Yeah, they casted

Jake Busey in that role. Like Gary Busey's kid? Yeah. Really? Yeah, that's What do you think about that casting, Marcy? I don't want to think about that. And his little...

His little pistol. The only thing I remember him from was Starship Troopers. Yeah. But it's a good show. It's better than the sequels to the movie, definitely. I didn't know there were sequels to the movie. Yeah, there's two of them. There you have it.

It's pretty awful, are they? Wow. Yeah, I should probably not even know that. There you have it. I might check out the series. though I've heard of that. Season 3 is about to start here in a couple of weeks. Worth what else?

Yeah, it's on Netflix, the first two seasons. All right, I'll check it out. How about you, Phillip? What did you see this week? Man, that was it. Like I said, Stranger Things, you know, I wrapped it up, and I've probably talked about it in like three different episodes now.

Right. You just love Stranger Things, don't you? We do a lot of episodes at once, and that's what I've watched. And aside from that, not really much man I've been sitting in the 1960s

right now watching those movies or specifically 1960 that year in retrospective I actually saw a movie that I've been wanting to watch for a really really long time

and I'm hoping that it wasn't overhyped for me but I think possibly it was and that was a New Zealand film called Death Gasm and I don't know if you get have you guys ever seen this one? I actually did see that. Yeah. Love that movie. Yeah, see, that's what everybody tells me. They absolutely

love it. And I kind of liked where it was going, but for some reason it fell a little bit flat for me. It didn't quite live up to the hype for me toward the end of the movie. I was just expecting a little bit more out of it. But, I mean, it was definitely fun. It was one of those good, you know, heavy metal

bands, summons the demon. You know, they're a dime a dozen. Those movies are all over the place, right? Dude, it's called deathgasm. You're not going to get an awesome movie out of it. Yeah, I mean, I think the battle... But it was fun to watch. Yeah, definitely the battle with the

with all the sex toys was kind of interesting. No doubt about that. But yeah, it was okay. I was a little bit underwhelmed, but I did think that the guys that were in the movie looked like they would be a lot of fun to hang out with, particularly the kid that played

the main musician that started the band. Marcy, you wouldn't know anything about that. would you? I don't know. Would I? That's why you're on the show, Marcy. Maybe.

Don't play coy with me. I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know. You haven't seen it? Yeah, but I understand you're an honorary member of the band. Not entirely. But you did hang out with some of the cast members, right? Just one. Which one is that?

Milo, was that the guy you hung out with? Milo Corthon Melo, yeah, that's right. Yeah, so he plays the he's the main character, Brody in the movie. Well, I got to hang out within a couple of days.

Did you mean like a Comic-Con or what happened? Is there a story behind that or we just skipping past that? No, he came he came to town to premiere a movie that he was in called Oh, fuck, what was it called?

It's like an upcoming film? It's called Blood Punch. So he came and there was a screening and Q&A with him for that. But I had drinks with him and some friends the night before that. Oh, that's super cool. And he's a very cool and really nice dude. Well, there you go. And of course he sent next to me the whole time because it's me.

Like, why wouldn't he? Super Marcy. Right. Yeah, I got that when I was watching the movie, I got the feeling that he would be a real cool down to her. guy somebody you'd want to actually kind of hang out with and then I when I heard that you actually had I was like wow that is pretty fucking awesome yeah he's a pretty just normal dude he um he paints houses for a living and I don't think a lot of people know he's actually an actor

what the fuck are you serious yeah well how has he been in like a lot of stuff or is it just uh yeah he's done uh bits and pieces um right but if you if you want to him more. There is an interview with him at supermassy.com. So we could go look that up on iTunes or find the episode and you've actually got an interview with him? Yep. How far back would you say that was? A couple months, maybe. Okay, cool. Shouldn't be too hard to find then.

No, I think so. Well, yeah, no, I checked out that movie. I did watch it. It was pretty cool, man. It was it was campy and it was... Very campy. Yeah. But, hey, Look, metal was my genre growing up, you know? And so those guys I can kind of relate to a little bit. And I liked it. I thought it was a pretty good movie.

All right, as with every show, it's time to take a little trip to the trailer part. Brian, what's our first new trailer to talk about this week? My first new one to talk about is The Devil's Dolls, which actually came out in a limited release this weekend. So there's another Louisiana connection. to this one, I think, right? I didn't really know what was going on in this trailer, so I hope you guys can explain it.

I thought it was kind of like a voodoo doll kind of thing. Yeah, it looks to me like it's definitely voodoo dolls that they have that control different people. I've never heard of the director before. Petreg Reynolds, does that name Ring a Bell? Nope. Says he's a writer known for Rights of Spring. I did hear about Rights of Spring.

Have any of you guys seen that one? one. Supposedly a very, very depressing movie. Great. Yeah, but it's a ransom scheme turns into a nightmare for a group of kidnappers. He become victims of a horrifying secret that must be paid every spring. So I think it had something to do with, you know, with like a cult or something like that that these people got involved in and they didn't know they were getting involved in.

But supposedly it's very good movie, but it's very depressing. that's all I've heard about it it looks like super kind of demonic possession slash voodoo doll I mean it looks like it's got kind of that New Orleans influence to it I'll watch it I'll check it

out I mean it doesn't there's nothing in the preview that makes you know jumps out at me and says hey I really want to see this like it I'll watch anything yeah same here it kind of looked like something we've seen a hundred times before we just had a whole conversation about a movie called deathgasm, so.

And have you guys ever seen the movie, was it called like the skeleton key or something like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was what it kind of reminded me of a little bit. Kind of had the same vibe, I thought, a little bit. Okay, our next trailer is Resident Evil, the final chapter. Thank God. Not a fan?

Not so. No? I'm checking it out. I'm a fan of these movies. Man, I'm not. as big of a fan of the Resident Evil stuff as I thought I would be because I grew up playing the games, you know, and they were scary. Oh, the games are kick-ass.

I remember the original Resident Evil. I like the movies, I follow them, but not like religiously at all. I mean, you know, Milojovich, you can't go wrong with her. What do you think, Marcy, are you a Milojovich fan? I like him, but I didn't give a shit about it. series. I've watched the first few and I don't even care. Let it die.

Is this one also directed by her husband? Yes, it is. Paul W.S. Anderson or whatever? Yes. Yeah. Not, no interest at all. Yeah, I'll definitely. I'll check it out.

This one comes out January 27th. He looks like the dude. Will you guys enjoy? Norman fucking Bates over here, man. Unless you guys force me to watch it for the, for the podcast. I'm out. We're not watching with the podcast

with stipulation that it's going to be the last one. Yeah, how many times we've been told that before? The final nightmare, the final this, the final that.

Fucking kisses. Jason goes to hell. I mean, Jason went to fucking hell and he came back, you know? Yeah. And the last one

we're going to talk about is a movie that comes out December 16th, Rogue One, a Star Wars story. What are you thinking about this?

one, Marcy? I didn't see. I didn't watch the trailer. Oh, you have to watch the trailer. Are you thrilled for the movie, though? Oh, I'm looking forward to it. I just, look, I'm the kind of person that does not really like to watch a lot of trailers or no too much about any movie because I like going in fresh. I don't like going into a movie like really hyped for it or really disappointed.

for it. I just want to go in and watch the fucking movie and decide how I feel as I'm watching it. I feel like we just see and hear way too much that other people's opinions contain our own and I just don't like doing that. Well, that's what I was feeling about the superhero movies where they start teasing them, you know, four and five and six years before they ever are even in production. But when does Rogue One come out? It's like December, right? December 16th. It's right around the corner. Man, I'm stoked for it.

Anytime you start a preview and you've got that real slow-build Star Wars music in the background, it gives me tingles. Yeah, I got the goosebumps watching the trailer, that's for sure. And I'm not even that. I wasn't really that big on this one. I was kind of like, why, you know? Do we really need to know that story? Do we really need to know the details? Yes, we do.

Yeah, for some reason when I started watching the trailer and the people that are involved in it, I kind of got excited. Well, and I start to think, you know, are they? shoving the female lee roll thing down our throats now that they got the rogue one and you know the last Star Wars movie they did but uh I think they're pulling it off man she seems like a super cool chick how do you guys feel about Darth Vader being in a movie

well he's got to be in the movie that's the time white and it marks that's yeah he's gonna be the star of the movie I mean everybody's gonna go see it because Darth Vader is still in the movie yeah he'll be in it for like a second. Probably. If we're lucky, right? Yeah. They only stole like a half

of a breathing sequence in the preview. But I do hear that James Earl Jones is going to do the voice. Yeah? So that's got to be worth something right there. He's kind of got to. First thing, have you guys checked out the full costume of Pennywise? No.

Yes, I have. What did you think about it? It looks okay. It wasn't, I don't know. I looked at it and I'm like, oh, okay. Moving on. Yeah, I guess the costume designer is going for us, as she put it, a mid-eval, Renaissance, Elizabethan, and Victorian eras.

What? There's a lot of errors to make. No shit. What does it look like in comparison to the old one? It's a fucking clown costume. It looks like an old clown. It looks like an old clown. I don't, I've never found clown scary.

So I just, I don't get it. Have you ever found clowns scary? Is there something wrong with your childhood? Oh, I found clowns super creepy. Really scary if they're a pedophile. Right. Clowns are kind of creepy. Well, okay, all right, it has a lot to do with that, to be fair.

You think so, huh? That influenced you quite a bit growing up. It influenced me. That was one of my childhood things, man. Yeah, because see, I'm a little bit older generation than most of you guys. I actually, by the time I read it, I had, you know, pretty much gone through all those phases. But I was definitely creeped out by clowns as a kid.

Well, I mean, because clowns were always creepy. I think so. I think that's pretty much universal. Yeah, I think, from what they said, they're trying to go for it. They're trying to make Pennywise look like he's older than anybody realizes, like he's ancient, like an ancient being. Oh, okay.

I can see. Well, I think he's supposed to be like some really old thing. Yeah, I'm actually, down with that piece of the story. I like it. Yeah, and it's still got the release date of September 8th of next year. So I think they've already started shooting

the movie right now. Yeah, I think they're shooting. But I can I think it is something that could do with a remake. I don't know this one will be any good because we obviously were not going to see it to next year. But if you do

watch the old miniseries, it's kind of laughable now. And I remember like everybody being so shit scared of it, but I just kind of think like it's really funny. Like Tim Curry as Pennywise is hilarious. Like I can't understand

the kids being scared of him. See, I think the first half of it still going back today. Okay, to be fair, I haven't actually gone back today to look at it. But that was one of my things when I was a kid, man. That is so scary

to me. And I would love to go back and watch it again. And I think that at least the first half of it still may hold up. But I'm totally down for a remake. Hopefully they're going to do something with this because they've been pushing it down our throats for ever already. And it's still a year away. I mean, I don't even have started production.

Is anybody familiar with this Bill Scarsgaard that's in it? Bill Scarsgaard, what's he been in? The only thing I've seen a couple of episodes of, Hamlock Grove, but other than that, I don't know. I don't know. I haven't checked out Hemlock Grove. Bill Scarsgard sounds familiar. It's because he's caught up the Skarsgod clan.

Yeah, there's quite a few of them. Well, I believe the father is in Thor. He's in the Thor movies. Oh, is he? Yeah, he plays the professor, I believe. Oh, Scarsgarde? Yeah, the father. Is that who you are talking about?

Yeah. Oh yeah, he's been around for a long time Okay, my next thing we're going to talk about is Mark Duplas and director Patrick Bryce confirmed there's going to be a creep too Oh, I loved creep. I loved creep. Have you guys seen that? I've never seen it. No.

Oh, it's a beautiful little short, what, maybe an hour and 20 minutes. Brian, you saw it, didn't you? Yeah, it's about that. Yeah, but it gets everything exactly I mean, it tells the whole story, wouldn't you agree? From start to finish? And wouldn't you say that final scene is really fucking shocking?

Yes, it is. Even though you kind of see it coming, it's sort of telegraphed, but it still fucking freaks you out, doesn't it? Yeah, and he made a comment, Mark Duplas made a comment on Twitter that the next one's going to be a little bit more weirder because that's got me intrigued. He was really, he was really,

weird and creepy in the first one. Well, I've always liked him. What was the movie that he was in, guys, where he was the time traveler, but you didn't really know until the end of the movie if he really was or not? Safety not guaranteed. Yes, that was a brilliant film.

Do you guys enjoy that? I've never seen it. Yeah, I love that movie. Yeah, I've liked him ever since. He's a very likable guy. And have you guys seen a small movie called The One I Love? Uh-uh. That was a nice.

little movie about some, basically he and his wife were having a lot of trouble with their relationship and they went away to a like a weekend retreat and come to find it there was a lot more going on at this retreat than you think. And by the time it was all said and done, there was a lot of, um, a lot of science fiction elements, but also a lot of like multiple universes and things like that going on. It was a really nice underrated little movie. Yeah, I guess um, they're planning I'm making this this a trilogy so there will be a third one

to this one too I'll tell you what if the two and three are as good as the first one I'm in huh yeah me too okay moving on to the next one we're getting a pumpkinhead remake pumpkinhead

why because they're remaking everything is Lance Henriksen in this one that they do not that I'm it's in the beginning stages what is his name? Peter Block,

executive producer of the Sawfranchise. He's got the rights to the movie. Great. So he's going to be making it. I don't think I ever saw Pumpkin hit, man. Well, did you guys know the original was directed by Stan Winston, the special effects guru? Yes, and actually, since you said that,

they plan on keeping the movie, they're respecting how he did the practical effects and stuff, so they're going to use a lot of practical effects in this one. We can only hope, but I'm worried. I'm really worried. I really, really love the original so much. Really?

I would be pissed off if they fucked it up. Yeah? I may have to check it out now. I did have a good conversation with Lance Henriksen about who would win in a fight the alien or pumpkinhead. Yeah, it was for an interview I did with him a few years ago. Right. That's crazy.

He went with the alien. He went with the alien. Yeah. Hmm. That's interesting because they both seem to be from kind of common mythologies. If you look at the way that they're built and the way they look, I could almost kind of see them coming from the same species. Aliens are bad mofo. And our last thing we're going to talk about,

Kevin Bacon has expressed interest in playing Freddie Kruger. Kevin Bacon? Yes. He would be so crispy. Worst joke ever. fucking shit. Yeah, I was thinking. Oh, no.

You kind of leave that one open to jokes there. Oh, God. Oh, God. Thank you for the levity, Marcy, because I'm not liking what I'm hearing right here. Yeah, we had talked about all the

remakes and sequels, all the big horror franchises coming out next year. Not Freddie, though. Please. Yeah, this was the only one that was not talked about. Jackie Earl Haley already raped him killed him and burned him and put him in the backyard.

No more Fridays, please. I like you. Freddy, I liked it. And we're going to agree on that. Because we both disagreed on that last time. Oh, yeah. That movie's so, so bad. Like, he was okay,

but the whole movie was just so ridiculously stupid. Horrible, wasn't it? It made it a little too serious for what it needed to be. It was micro-sleeps while swimming in a pool. Fuck off. Right? Give me a fucking break, you piece of shit. Oh yeah, it was horrid.

Tell us what you really think. It was horrid. So here we go again, huh? Going for the third time's the charm, right, Brian? Yeah, it's not confirmed. He just expressed interest, but... He would be a better choice than a lot. And here's the thing.

He has experience playing a child molester. True. He could get really crispy. And he can be really fucking creepy. He's got experience playing about everything at this point. I think that... And I believe... What can Kevin Bacon not do?

And I believe they're getting a writer David Leslie Johnson, who did scripts for Orphan and The Conjuring 2. Okay. So... Now I am intrigued. I'm not. No? I don't want to see fucking Kevin Bacon as Freddie Krueger, guys.

I don't know, dude. No, fuck you. I don't care. Who are? Who writes it? I don't care what the setup is. I don't care what the premise is. I don't want to see it. I cannot equate the two together. Who would you want to play Freddy Kruger? Nobody. Robert England. How about that? He's still alive.

Why not fucking bring Robert England back to play Freddy Krueger again? God damn it. What an original idea. He wants to do other things for once in his life. All right. Whatever. Fred is one of my icons, guys. The poor man alone, damn it. Well, for fuck's sake I mean, you're shitting You're shitting on one of my horror icons here

I can't see anybody else playing him It's the only thing he's ever really Played Well, you know, I've met him And I've talked to him about a nightmare on Elm Street too And? And it was awesome Because that movie's amazing

Yeah That's a whole other podcast right there So you're kind of just bragging is what you're saying Yeah, I like brag, dragging about who I've met and who I've hung out with. That's pretty awesome though. I mean, to have met and hung out with Robert England.

And I mean, you've already talked about one of our deathgasm guys on here. And Robert England put the, the Freddie claw under my chin. I hope you still have that picture. Yeah, of course I do. I was wearing my cat ears at the time. Oh, awesome.

And he's like, he didn't want to wear the other cat ears because he wanted to say, to skin some stray cats. I can't do his voice, though. How do you meet all these people? No, what I want to know is what's up? Super Marcy, hello.

What's up with the fucking cat ears? That's what I want to know. I'm a cat, meow. Oh, obviously. Cat ears are fun, and I like having fun and making people smile and laugh. Okay. Because life is too serious.

And on that note, that was all the news we have. So now on to tonight's featured attractions. This time we take on the year 1960 in the first of our series The Year in Horror. From France, we review the classic Eyes Without a Face. Then we're going to cover Peeping Tom from the UK. And finally, the United States film Psycho. So let's start out with Eyes Without a Face. As usual, I try to do a little bit of trivia.

Director was Georges Frangieu. actually most famous for being co-founder with Enri Langloy. I hope I'm getting these names right. Not at all. Of the Cinematique Francae in 1937, which is France's most famous and important film archive. So this director was actually probably had more fame from starting the largest film archive in France.

Ryder was Pierre Boullou, also known for Vertico, Diabolique, and Faces in the Dark. When the film appeared in Edinburgh in the Edinburgh Film Festival in 1960, it was reported that seven audience members fainted during the surgery scene. Director Georges Franzier responded, Now I know why Scotsman wear skirts. Wait, what? The original title of this movie in French

is mentioned in the chorus of the song Eyes Without a Face. Fitting, right? By Billy Idol from the album Rebel Yale in 1983. This was originally released in the U.S. in an edited version titled The Horror Chamber of Dr. Faustus. A particularly odd title considering there's no one in the film named Dr. Faustus. That's random. Marcy, as our guest, we would like to allow you to begin the critique here of the famous film Eyes Without a Face. Sure.

Well, considering I did peak. the topic as suggested by me so all your hate can just come at me so it's emails that you guys decided to send us just forward them over to marcy and she'll handle all that shit yeah so yeah um eyes without a face is a film that i think is fantastic um just go over what it's actually about um Because it's not just about a face. I mean, it's not about eyes that don't have a face technically. So there's a doctor who's a brilliant surgeon. And his daughter was left really badly disfigured after an accident.

And he kidnaps young women and attempts to do face transplants to give his daughter a new face. and the eyes without a face comes from his daughter wearing just this plain like white mask that covers her disfigured face. That's pretty much the gist of the story. You kind of, the film goes through, the crazy doctor, how he gets, finds women and performs surgery on them

and to try and fix his daughter but she's not really all that into it. And as mentioned in the trivia, they do show graphically the surgery

for the face. And it's for when it was made, it's quite fucking disgusting. Yeah, for real. That was the scene that really stood out to me in that movie. Yeah, I really remember that one too.

It was a, I mean, for the special effects in 1960, that was pretty phenomenal. It looked like it was real. And I think a lot more of it was the lead-up to that than the actual removal of the face. You know what I'm saying? I think a lot of it got me more of the, how slowly and methodically he worked toward getting that done. And I just thought that was like super creepy. I think watching this movie, you can definitely see that it's been a huge influence just in cinema in general.

Absolutely. Just from everything, the way that it's shot, the way the story's told. And even that specific surgery scene, like, I don't know how they, how they did it. But I guess being in black and white too, it really looks just even more grotesque. Yeah, for sure. A little bit adds a little realism to it, a little suspension of disbelief. And I think not only other films. we're discussing from the same year and they're all based in horror.

But I think that the mad scientist here is kind of a little bit sympathetic in what he's actually doing and why. And I think that's a running theme with these three movies as well, that the person that's supposed to be the villain is quite sympathetic. can actually feel something for them because this is a guy who's motivated for his daughter because of what's happened to her and the way that he wants to fix her. He's not just killing for the sake of killing women. I'm not sure if you guys had felt that watching this as well. Oh yeah.

Absolutely. I don't know. Thoughts are on it. Well, anytime you bring that other aspect to somebody who's obviously a psychopath, I mean, you're, you know, You have to find out why they're a psychopath, right? But I mean, that's sort of like a key to the movie. And now that he's got his intentions are known, you know, it brings another side of his character to the story, I think.

There was actually a scene, guys, that I noticed fairly early in the film when they were in the process of he was, he had the chemicals, he was going to drug the young lady. Yeah, yeah. And he was, it was kind of, of a misdirection because it looked like he was going to pour her some, it looked like it was wine or something like that. And I thought, okay, he's probably going to put the drug in the wine and she's going to drink it and fall asleep. But it was a little bit of misdirection because

he actually filled the two glasses up and left him on the table. And then he actually got behind her and got her with a sodium pentothal. Yeah. And actually just knocked her right out. Yeah. Did you guys, have you guys seen the movie, The Human Sist? Centipede, the first one? Unfortunately. Yeah, but I got a really, I got a really strong vibe from this scene of the scene where the the psychopathic German mad scientist kidnaps the young ladies. You know that had to be a, I'm sure that this movie is probably one of their direct

inspirations, you know, with the mad scientist aspect going, you know, the mad doctor. Sure. and I think that it inspired a bunch of movies for warning it is subtitled it's in French and it's black and white and it's old and it is definitely dated

but man if you can if you can get past that stuff and get into the story it's definitely influenced so much stuff that I think it's totally worth watching find out something movies aren't dated they're a product of their time

It is definitely a product of his time. Movies are like looking back in a history book, but you're looking at a live book or something. Like you can really feel, when you watch a film, it doesn't matter like when the film is set, but when you watch a film that was made in the 60s, you feel and you get a feel for that error. No, I think that that makes sense,

because that's sort of what you if you're going to go back and watch a movie from the 60s especially something like this i mean you're going to have to get a sense of of what it was like back then so it's unfair to call it dated because we're looking at it from through the lens of 2016 dude it's still dated whatever you're going to say but but a film is dated the second it comes out yeah true but no i can see what she's saying though i mean it's uh it's definitely like and that's what it is this is a history lesson you know it's not a

it's not a hey let's go have a Saturday night and have some drinks movie it's it's it's it's you're learning something when you watch this this is this is history of filming yeah that yeah definitely the scene where he took the

young lady's face off was really disturbing and it was just so strange how clinical he was but did you also notice how much he was sweating it's like because he was worried about it like you said marcy this is like it was like a passion project for him some black and white stuff man well look at it this way his heart was in the right place he was trying to save his daughter you know what could be more honorable than that and yet look what he's doing to do it look what ends he's willing to go to to give his daughter a beautiful face again to make her

gorgeous again like she used to be you know before the accident so to me it really what stuck out to me was how much he was sweating and how much he really cared about that you could tell it was so passionate for him to do that correctly and get it right. And it worked at first, of course. It's the little details like that they have to appreciate that they've put in, that you can actually like notice that and pick up on that, I think, says a lot about how much care they put into making this movie. Yeah, I think that this guy actually pulled a lot from Hitchcock in his filmography and stuff

or his, you know. You think so? Yeah, I think so. But, I mean, because that black and white stuff where you get zoomed in and super minute detail on the stuff like him sweating on his brown and stuff, you know, I think that that's something you don't see a whole lot anymore. Brian, what did you think about it, man? I really enjoyed this movie. I didn't know it was subtitled, and sometimes that throws me off a little bit. I was like, oh, fuck, I can pay attention to this one.

I really enjoyed it, though. The main character, what was the girl's name? Oh, Christina? We're Christian, right? Yeah, I really, I really, yeah, I really liked how, because I thought she was just going to go throughout the movie having no sympathy for these women. She just wanted to face. Oh, I didn't get that, I didn't get that impression at all.

I thought from the very beginning she had sympathy. In fact, in the one scene where Louise, or one of the ladies, the young ladies threw herself out of the window. Was it Edna? Anyway, one of the young ladies that was being operated on, because her face was so horrible when she woke up, she threw herself out of a window. I thought that was Christian at first. I thought she had committed suicide. And I thought we were getting one of those movies where the protagonist goes out really quickly in it. Like another one we're going to talk about tonight.

Yeah, I really felt the opposite, really. I felt like she just wanted to get her face. And by the end, that's where I felt the turn came. Let's give daps to the actress here. She did all that just through a mask. Like almost all of that acting that she did throughout the whole movie was just eye gestures. What do you think, Marcy, was she sympathetic to the victims from the beginning? Or was it a last-minute salvation?

I think she I don't think she was in the position she wanted to be in from the start I think she was going along with it for her father until until the end I think I have a question

what kind of doctor was he was he a therapist was he a surgeon was he a veterinarian my understanding is he was a surgeon he was a mad doctor okay he just he just owned a dog kennel I thought that was weird too

Okay, so what was up with the dogs? Well, that's if he was doing all of his experiments on, guys. Is it? Okay, I wasn't sure if it was that. He just fed his dead girls to that one. Like, it was a Hannibal thing going. Yeah, but the dog sure did love the daughter, didn't they? They did.

I mean, she turned the beast into the beauty, right? She was cool. She was cool with him. Okay, I was a little confused, because I thought the actual, place where he worked at was more like for like a like therapy for people that are like insane or going crazy or no I thought I thought no he was a surgeon

okay yeah I think that was fairly evident from the beginning that that that's the kind of work they were doing there they're doing a lot of like basically what we now would call plastic surgery or cosmetic surgery he went to the um went to the mad doctor school of surgery. You know, I did like some of the details, though, that they had when the movie was developing. Like, for example, when it looked like the operation was going to work,

and the new face was going to set on her, and then did you notice that her dad said, your cheeks are getting very rosy? And he knew at that point, you could just see his eyes just fall down, and you knew that he knew at that point, with the red color that infection was setting in. That it was only a matter of time, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I actually thought the mask was pretty creepy. Oh, I love the mask. Yeah, because it almost looked like a face. Yeah, very much so. Beautiful movie. Gorgeously filmed movie. I mean, I really loved it from the very beginning. I think they did a great job with what they had to work with, you know?

Oh, yeah. You can see so much, like, modern influences from the way this film was shot. Right? just so beautiful to look at a lot of just amazing like framework and yes I'm a nerd I look at that kind of thing but I really like how it's paste and set out and how things get revealed and again just how they did the surgery scene still quite just blah oh totally yeah I mean people just people try to make a film that's that effective now you know with a scene that's It's that chilling.

And they just can't do it, you know? What they got away with here was something that you may not see again for a long time. I mean, it was beautifully shot. And like I said, I really liked the lead-up to it. I thought it was very clinically done, but you could also see the passion. And that was what really got me. So, Marcy, I have to ask you as a member of House Bolton, because I saw how you scored on the Facebook challenge that we did,

the Game of Thrones quiz. I was like, what? Did you see the, what did you think about the Ramsey Bolton ending? I've always liked the ending. Kind of poetic in a way. Quite poetic, right? But do you think Game of Thrones might have even gotten something from that, or am I overreaching here?

Who knows, maybe? It's possible, right? Maybe, maybe Ramsey watched it. Maybe they have cinema in the Game of Thrones universe and we just don't know. Quite possible. There's a lot of other things. they have going on there, that's for sure.

Well, man, I gave a little bit better review of this one than I expected to when I first started watching it because it is from 1960 and it's got some slow stuff going. And it is a slow build. But, you know, I mean, it's totally worth watching. I like the movie. So, Marcy, we usually try to review our movies here like on a 1 to 10 scale, which I'm sure you're quite familiar with. would you like to go first and tell us what you thought of this on a scale of 1 to 10 and why?

Look, for me, this is a film that I would give a perfect score to because I just think it hits all the right notes and I just don't feel like there's anything that doesn't work for me. I would say 10. I usually go out of 5, so 5 out of 5, 10 out of 10. That's me. That's how I work. Fair enough.

We'll play Australia in rules football tonight I'm gonna give it Uh 7 out of 10 I think that it's definitely classic And it has a lot to offer to the horror world I wish there was Less dead spots where there were like no music

I mean I get that where it builds the scene and stuff Okay I feel like I need music And I think that when you watch something like psycho and they have that awesome score going on the whole time. I can see that. Sure. That's really the big difference here is just production value. Fair enough. What about you, Brian?

I'm also going to give it a seven. I thought going into this because it was subtitled, I was not going to be really into it, but the story was strong enough to keep me into it, and it was beautifully shot. So I'm going to give it a seven out of ten. All right. Well, at the risk of sounding competitive, actually I'll do this.

I'll go with Australian rules football. I'll give it a 3.5 out of five. And I will say that a lot of the things you guys said about this film are the way that I feel. I mean, I could obviously see the influence. It was incredibly beautifully shot, very lush. It seems like everything that they set up, they put a lot of thought into building the scene before they actually shot the scene. And I always have a lot of respect for that.

So 3.5 out of 5. That's a 7 out of 10 in U.S. terms, right? Or whatever. Do you want me to get a calculator out? Is that what's going to happen? If we need to, we will. So we'll move on to our next movie, Peeping Tom, directed by Michael Powell, also known for the Red Shoes,

and Black Narcissis. Writer is Leo Mark, who also wrote Twisted Nerve and Guns at Batasi. He was also a cryptographer and head of code development and code security for the special operations executive against the Axis Powers during World War II. So we got a real-life war hero film, or who wrote this film. He was actually a cryptographer

as well as head of code development and code security for the SOE against the Axis Powers during World War II. So he fought Hitler. Yeah, he did the cryptography. Wow. Yeah. Pretty impressive guy here.

First movie to ever put the audience in the killer's point of view. Yeah. Considered to be the first mainstream British movie to show female nudity. This is the British counterpart of Psycho. Though it was banned for many years, and so it did not become a box office smash like Psycho did, filmmakers that saw it when it opened cited as being similarly influential, maybe even more so, because the set pieces are more artfully constructed than in Psycho. The killer in peeping Tom, going back to what you were saying about the sympathetic characters, Marcy,

this particular character is much more tragic and sympathetic, which is a major innovation for film at the time. So peeping Tom, Marcy, we know you love this movie, and you're our guest, we won't start with you. Brian, I'm going to twist it around a little bit, and what do you think about this movie? I was bored. I didn't understand what was going on in this movie I didn't feel like he was a sympathetic character I thought he was just a creepy dude I have some questions about what was going on in a movie

I never really got what was his motivation to kill these women he's people John oh yeah it was it was just it was too slow for me I don't know I've always heard this is one like one of the scariest

movies made. Yeah, well, it has a 96% on Rotten Tomatoes, if that tells you anything. Yeah, I didn't really get all that. I think it's a super slow build, man. But I do get where they had the sympathetic,

I mean, it's more so than in Psycho, the sympathetic lead role. I mean, your, your protagonist in this movie is the killer, you know? And they put you that, you know, I wasn't a fan of the crosshairs in the middle of the screen while they're putting you in his point of view.

But I get what they had to do. And at least most of the movie wasn't shot like that, so it wasn't super distracting. Yeah, like I said, I was just confused on what his motivation was. Yeah, I think that's kind of what the whole thing was. He was, it's tough for me to say what his motivation was because he was obviously a psychopath, but he was definitely a creepy dude. And, but I think that he showed his, a little bit of humanity there also. You know, I mean, you wanted to root for him and feel for him to get better. But then he was also killing people in the process.

I don't know. I liked it, probably a little better than you guys probably did, but I think it was worth watching, man. It's definitely a slow build, and it takes a minute to get there. But it's another one of those classics in cinema history, I think. Lance, what you think? Well, I'm probably more of the school of Brian. I really didn't get it that much.

For some reason, it just didn't really hit a nerve too much with me. I thought it was a little too cheesy. Maybe, you know, maybe I'm one of those people that's a victim of being in 2016 and watching a 1960 movie. But unlike another movie we're going to talk about later tonight, which I loved, this one just didn't, for some reason, didn't get it for me. But I know I'm totally in a minority, Marcy, so tell me all the ways I'm totally fucking wrong. Yes, educate us. Well, opinions are not right or wrong. They are just your own.

With that said, I do think you guys missed a lot of what this movie had to say and what was in there. So peeping Tom is about a young man called Mark Lewis, even though he's got this tebby accent. I think the guy was either Austrian or German who played him. Okay. He's a guy that works in a small film studio. He always has his video camera. He's always filming.

And he's kind of a voyeur, aka AP Bing Tong. Which you could almost describe as 2016 television, right? Yeah, in a way. So I do see that influence, and I do appreciate that. Well, this is a man that was carrying around a video camera at a time when it was probably quite unusual to see. Right. You get the idea that he's a bit of a loner, possibly very sexually repressed kind of man. And he follows women and kills them recording their motion.

moments of death in his video and his camera. He films it. And the story starts off with a, with him killing someone and it's completely done in, in his point of view. So as if we're looking, as if we ourselves are looking through that video camera as it happens. Yeah, that's the crosshairs.

So yeah, you get, you get that view a lot. But he is a kind of, character that I think is very a sympathetic character. He is somebody and he sort of asked about like what's

his motivation for killing. Well you've got to look back through the childhood that he's had that his father ran experiments on him. His father, you know, wanted to study

fear. Fear. Fear in in the young boy. So he would scare him all the time and it's something that he's then become fascinated with as he grows older because that's what he wants to see that's what he wants to capture is someone being scared at the point of death is what he was capturing well and that's the the the the the the lead chick and the story like he uh his love interest you know where he's actually trying to to form some sort of love interest in this chick that's not i'm going to kill you

he keeps telling her, you know, if you're scared, I don't want to look at you. Yeah, he does not want to put her on his camera because he won't be able to control himself. She's supposed to be the chicken. That's a good point. She's supposed to be a chick that. He doesn't photograph. He doesn't want to do that because he is scared that he will hurt her. Yeah.

Because when he sees a woman through that camera is when that instinct to bring on the fear and to capture that moment comes on with him. So he likes the ultimate fear. That's what is. He can't help himself. That's what his killing is. He wants to see the ultimate fear. That's what it is.

And this is something that was instilled from him with his father, which is why we have the video clips of him as a child, who were played by the director's kid. Oh, that's creepy. And the father was... That's creepy. Yeah. And that's what it is.

And we see him struggling because he's actually forming a bond with somebody, which is something he's probably never had before. Right. She even makes him go out without his camera recruitment and his camera. So she's someone that could easily change him, but he struggles with that, which I think it kind of does hit hard because you do kind of want this guy to change because you do feel some kind of sympathy for him

even though he is a killer. Yeah. And when he does kill, it does hit hard, but you can also, in that performance, you can feel the inner struggle that he maybe doesn't really want to do it, but he's got that compulsion to do it. Well, right, because he seems like this, like, meek, nice guy, you know? Yeah.

And that, and that I think is a really early, example of that a killer could almost be anyone. Yeah. But the way that the film looks at, especially because it is with a video camera, and it puts us in that perspective, I think there's a lot to say about the way people do sit back and watch things, that we are or some kind of a voyeur into the world. and I think this is a film that was ahead of its time in what it had to say and this is why just audiences at the time just couldn't deal

because it was quite violent and very very confronting maybe it's more of a well-known fact if people that are really heavily into cinema but this is one of Martin Scorsese's favourite films and I think he helped Oh, my shit. He helped with the restoration as well as Michael Powell's other films like The Red Shoes. He was a big supporter of Michael Powell, and he would often try and show, I think, specifically this film as well, back in their late 60s, early 70s. And Scorsese's longtime partner, not like romantic partner. But working partner.

Right. Elmer Schoenmacher. I can't say her name very well. You know, they've worked, I think, together on pretty much like all of his films. Maybe a couple of Scorsese movies they didn't work on. But she's his primary editor. But he introduced her to Michael Powell and they were married until he died. So, holy shit.

Bit of backstory. So we got some definite cinema history going here. And if you do, Martin Scorsese will say that this movie along with something else, two movies that show everything you need to know about making a film. So the controversy around this film, it ruined Michael Powell's career as a director. He was blacklisted.

was so what was the controversy though was it just the i mean the everything half second nudity or just the whole it's it's everything it's the violence show aspect and yeah the new everything because this is cinema goal was would not have seen anything like this yeah it was kind of creepy i mean when he said it was a creepy guy yeah dude i mean you like you want to feel for him yeah chick that was in his his uh his uh his uh his like showing him the videos at the very beginning, dude, I've been out of there.

Yeah. Yeah, anybody's saying would be. Things got weird real quick. Yeah. So I just think that putting the audience in that perspective of a killer in something that is so confronting, and you're going to remember at 1960, like, Yeah.

People were stunned back then by a toilet being flushed, which happened in Psycho. Mm-hmm. So imagine all of this, it would have been quite a confronting experience. And for me, I think it still is quite a confronting film because it's not one of those films that's gore-heavy. It's not completely in your face. It builds up to something. It really takes the time to develop this character, to develop this relationship.

between Mark and Helen and you kind of get the idea that people are interested in this guy but they just don't know what to make of him and I think that's really evident in the scene where he is with the stand-in Vivian played by Moira

Shira who's the lead in the Red Shoes and she's dancing around and having fun with him and you know it's almost like you just don't want something bad to happen, but it does. Yeah. That was an interesting scene.

I thought that scene was going to go in a different direction for some reason. It did not feel anything at all like a horror or suspense movie at that point. Yeah, she did a good job of bringing a lot of levity to the movie at that point. I kind of wasn't expecting anything bad to happen at that point. I'll tell you what, though, and it may be just because it was 1960, but I know it's a slow build, but it did feel a little bit long to me at some points. I mean, there were some times where I was like, okay, they probably could have cut some of this stuff out. Yeah, but that's because you're a product of today.

Of the now generation where I want my stuff now. Right. Oh, you've got some filler? No, I don't want that. Get it out. You need to learn to appreciate a field. You can't have everything delivered to you straight away. Yeah, that's true.

Very true. So, Brian, after hearing all this beautifully put, to you by Marcy, who's obviously a huge fan of this movie. Do you kind of see things a little bit differently now, or do you have some new appreciation of the film and all after listening to what she had to say about the history and the way they put it together and everything? Oh, absolutely.

I think I'm going to give it a... I'm definitely going to give it a rewatch. I definitely think I miss some stuff. I think you need to be in a good headspace to watch this movie, too. I really wanted you to be like Nah man he's creepy dude You said you have to be in the right head space It definitely deserves a lot of

A lot of attention right You can have a bunch of shit going on in the background You gotta like watch it and be invested in the movie You need to engage with it if you can't do that You're not going to really get much out of it Yeah you got to sit down and really watch the movie Well one thing I promise you After everything you've had to say about it Marcy

I will absolutely positively give this movie another watch. And I'm going to go out of my way to make sure I don't have a lot of stuff going on in the background when I watch it. That's part of what made it long. I had to stop every 10 seconds. Kids running around and things like that. Throw a kid against the wall or shuck something at the dog, you know. All right. So I think we're down to the part where we give it our ratings.

I think Marcy, we know you're going to rate it fairly highly. Brian, what would you give it? Um, for right now, I'm gonna give it a six. Um, I really, I really thought, uh, the main character was, like I said, that he was creepy. Kind of came off like an old school bond villain to me, the way he was talking. But I, I'm going to give it a rewatch. Um, I think after I give it a rewatch, I think my rating will probably change. Fair enough. I like that. What about you, Philip? Uh, man, I actually probably would have rated it higher had I not watched sock. Psycho immediately after.

I think that I would have given it an eight and now I want to give it as seven because I think that while it is definitely a piece of cinema history, a lot of it was very theatrical. You know what I mean? Like the responses were not always very natural like they were in say Psycho or a lot of stuff

that we spent today. And it's a little more theatrical responses. So like he'd be talking to somebody and then, but wait, you know what I mean? That kind of thing. That was your impression. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, definitely iconic and definitely worth watching.

I think that it is a slow build, a good story, and for its time was crazy risque. But, yeah, 7 is pretty good. Well, like I said, I'm definitely going to give it a rewatch, and I hope that my score increases, but I got to be honest, guys, I give it a three out of ten. I mean, it bored the hell out of me. I thought it was incredibly theatrical. I thought it was incredibly forced. A lot of the acting was.

That, again, upon rewatch, I'm sure a lot of that's going to change. You know, a lot of it probably had to do with the fact that a lot of stuff going on in the background. But I really did not like this movie at all out of the three of them. But that, again, just my opinion. But Marcy, I know you're... going to completely blow me out of the water here. Oh yeah, it's a 10 out of 10, 5 out of 5

without a doubt. For me, there is nothing wrong with this movie. It's a masterpiece. It really is, in my opinion, anyway. And I can see that. So, for my respect for you, I'll absolutely go back and I'm going to rewatch this, in fact,

this week. I guarantee you. If not tomorrow, I will... In fact, you know what? I will rewatch this movie tomorrow, I promise. Yeah? I got to. I got to. Why am I not seeing what you guys are?

Because you're weird. That might be it. Okay, fair enough. You got to like... Just leave it at that, right? Shut off the world around you to watch this one, man. All right. All right, so moving on.

I think the third movie that we're going to talk about, everyone is pretty much heard of, whether you've been born in 1960, born in 1990, or whatever. Everybody's heard of Psycho, the original. director is Alfred Hitchcock, also known for the bird's rear window and vertigo. Writer Joseph Stefano, and he was known mainly for writing TV shows. He did a lot of episodic stuff for the Outer Limits, Swamp Thing, and Star Trek the Next Generation.

This was based on a novel by Robert Block, who also worked on Star Trek on the original series, as well as the Alfred Hitchcock Hour. director Alfred Hitchcock originally envisioned the shower sequence as completely silent, but Bernard Herman went ahead and scored it anyway, and upon hearing it, Hitchcock immediately changed his mind. And I think we would all agree that's one of the most iconic music and film sequences ever. Oh, yeah. It's been duplicated many, many times. According to biographers, Alfred Hitchcock himself had a troubled relationship with his own domineering mother.

who, just like Mrs. Bates, forced him to stand at the foot of her bed and tell her everything that happened to him during the day, although the real relationship was not quite as disturbed as that scene in the movie, allegedly. Anthony Perkins, ironically, was paid U.S. $40,000 for his role, which is, of course, exactly the same amount of money that Marion Crane and Bezzles. In Halloween H-20 years later, a 1998 movie, Janet Lee drives a 1950s car similar to Marion Cranes

which when revealed part of the Psycho theme is played director John Carpenter was inspired by Psycho when making the original Halloween and was quite excited when Lee's daughter Jamie Lee Curtis I'm sure we've heard of her auditioned and was cast so that's the trivia for Psycho and I think we want to go back to our regular

of letting our guest start things out here If you so desire. Please. We do. I don't think we really need to say what the plot is. I think everyone kind of knows. I mean, basically, Marion Crane, played by Janet Lee. She steals 40 grand from her employer.

She goes on the run. She ends up at Bates Motel, run by the creepy-looking Norman Bates, played by Anthony Perkins. And you think that Janet Lee is going to be the star of the movie, but he can take the shower scene. And that is a moment that often gets copied. Your role gets killed halfway through the movie.

Yeah. And then her sister, Lila, and her lover, Sam, go on the investigation to see what her way of Marion is, what happened to her. and it leads them to Bates Motel. And throughout the movie, we are led to believe that Norman's crazy old lady mother, Norma Bates, is the killer. But then it serves up a crazy twist ending.

This is, I guess, one of the most influential films, not just horror films, but films, of all time. I guess a masterpiece in every way. I do think this film gets a, lot of praise when I don't necessarily think it's the greatest of films, but I do think very highly of it. And every time I watch it, I do get something different out of it. And I think there's a lot of inventive things that Hitchcock did and came up with. And it's just certainly something everybody should see or should have seen. There's no reason not

to not see the movie, I guess. I'll go with that. And it's kind of funny to think about that, I guess, the book was inspired by the killer Ed Gein. I can't say his name. Ed Gein. Ed Gein. Yeah. Who skinned corpses and walked around wearing his victim skinned skin dancing around.

I don't know how much of that is like. actual Ed Gein stuff and how much of it is just like, you know, because he's supposed to be the inspiration from like Texas. Everything. Yeah, he's the inspiration for everything. Yeah, pretty much everything. The author was inspired by what happened. So that part is true. But just taking something so, you know, just basic and just turning it into something else. And again, like I've said, the running theme for me with these films, aside from the year, and that they're horror, is that you've got the sympathetic killer slash lead. And I think Norman Bates is definitely a sympathetic lead. And like with peeping Tom, they're both very quiet, shyish, very sexually repressed kind of guys.

That is true. Yeah, you like your, you like your psychos. Yeah, I could, I do like, I'm sympathetic, crazy killer people. Yeah, the difference, the difference for me being that I really, really liked Perkins from the minute I saw him, and I didn't care a bit about the guy in peeping time.

He just creeped me out too much. Perkins just sat to me, as soon as he sat down and he offered her sandwiches and to take care of her and stuff like that. I just thought he was a nice, caring guy. I really cared about him. I thought he was a good guy. Well, he seemed like he had this,

yeah, really nice guy thing down. He was a very genuine character. And that's a true psycho, right? He's that kind of guy, like, he's the guy next door that you would never suspect would do anything wrong. Right. And throughout the way, we're led to believe, like, he's just cleaning up after his crazy mother

that he's the way he is because of this crazy. crazy mother. Exactly. It's not his fault. Right? He didn't do it. I got to say when I saw that we were watching Psycho, you know, I know that it's an American classic and I was really not looking forward to going back and watching this because I've gone back and watched all those classic movies when I was like a teenager and stuff. And this is one that really never resonated with me, you know? And I always felt like it took so long and was so slow.

And, man, as soon as I turned it on today, it was just immediately what jumped out at me was the production value. It was amazing. For 1960, dude, they were on point. It was so much better than I remembered because it takes from, I mean, if you're looking at it from where you would have watched it back then, you know, that's not what you would have expected, you know? You're watching this totally other movie And then halfway through the story is when she shows up at this Bates Motel It's basically a crime drama the whole thing It's not so much a horror movie is a crime drama

True With a horror built into it And it takes halfway through the movie for her to get to the Bates Motel And for any of the shit to happen But then when it does it's like And bam And by then she's fucking done Yeah dude she's dead

And you're like what the hell And then the whole rest of the movie is still trying to figure out where she is and getting this crazy psycho mother in the basement out of here, you know? I really enjoyed it. This is the first time I've probably watched it in 20 years and I never really liked it before. I never got into it but this time it was really amazing. This is a piece of sentiment right here, man. Mostly for the production value. Because when I say that the other movies are dated,

I say that the other movies you're dated. This one holds up. No, this one doesn't feel like a 1960 movie. I would agree. I feel like if somebody was remake this and go back today and... And film it the way that they did. And try to do like a retro remake of it. This is how it would end up, you know?

And a lot of that probably had to do with the acting. I mean, they found... Hitchcock, I don't know what it is, but he seems to find really, really talented actors. And that was the thing. And people who fall right into the role. roles. I know he used Jimmy Stewart a lot for some of his roles. And he, I mean, they were perfect together.

Yeah. But Hitchcock just seems to have a thing with picking the right people for the right role. See, but after having gone back and watched like the Bates Motel and stuff, because I got kind of into that, it's sort of cool to watch the lead up. Yeah, to think about the, the, the psychiatry of Norman Bates. Even though it's Norman Bates using cell phones and stuff. Well, no, but I'm saying, but if you're looking at the old film after watching the new stuff, you know, I mean, it's, it's cool to go back and watch the psychiatry going on in his head, you know, like what is happening?

What led up to this, right? What do you think, Brian? I like it. Oh, you know, I really enjoy it. One of the things I really enjoy about it is the interaction between it, well, what you assume is the interaction between him and his mom. Yeah. And that's pretty crazy. how he completely changes

voice and everything yeah and see this guy Perkins doesn't look like that in any other movie that he's ever done man like he he loses that bit of innocence that he has in this movie I think yeah I mean I just like Perkins man

yeah watching the movie like you guys said he just seems like an unassuming nice guy you know until he starts killing of people, which I felt like the kills were pretty brutal for 1960, especially the private investigator.

Right. Pretty much stabs them in the face. Mm-hmm. It's a little different re-watching a movie now because you already know what the twist is at the end. Right. So... Can you imagine what that was? I mean, this has got to be one of the classic... Oh, yeah, back in that time...

Darth Vader twist, you know what I mean? Yes. This is... This had to be phenomenal at that point in time. Yeah, I'm, I really enjoy this movie. I enjoyed it more than peeping time. This is, uh, this is a movie my wife won't watch. She, she's seen it before and she, this movie creeps the shit out of her.

She won't watch it because it creeps her out? Yeah, she's watched it once, won't watch it ever again. I, I, I fucking love this movie, guys. I fucking loved it from the start to finish. And I've never seen any of the, uh, I haven't seen Psycho 2, Psycho 3, Psycho 4. So it looks like I've got some more movie homework to do beyond what we're talking about here

and re-watching peeping time tomorrow. But, I mean, this movie, as far as I'm concerned, I mean, the buildup to it, the way it just drops the floor out from under you, when you really think that Crane is going to be the protagonist. And she's going to be like the final girl, right? Because now we think of the final girl. Who is the one who makes it to the very end?

right of the horror movies. If you watch this with fresh eyes, it would be a fun movie to watch. Yeah, I love it. I really think the buildup is great. I love the way that they drop you on your ass halfway through the movie, and they kill her. And then from there, it kind of becomes a follow-up to find out what really happened. And, of course, then he has to cover his tracks, you know, and he has to do other things. These guys suck all of them, by the way, at covering their tracks.

When they get nervous, man, it is very apparent. that they are nervous. They do not. So Marcy, I know you're not familiar with this, but we always go into this little part of the show that, well, you may have, I'm sure you've heard some of our shows, but Brian always talks about stupid people.

You got anything to say about this one, Brian? There's quite a few of them. Yeah, it's, oh, man. Yeah, everybody... How about the fucking protagonist? Who gets a new car while the cop is watching her? What are you doing?

Yeah, what's up with that bullshit, right? Pays and cash. Yeah. Tries to leave as fast as she can without her luggage and everything. Stupid people. I just think, not the smartest cookie. Obviously. Yeah, yeah, definitely got that from her.

And what was she, what was the deal they was going to make her? If she just brought the money back, everything would just be fine? Well, they were going to try to not get the cops involved, but she was already dead at that point. Yeah, I don't, I just, for some reason, don't believe it, it just would have went down like that. No, I don't know. Everything's forgotten. And if you want a bit of extra trivia, Lila, played by Vera Miles, reprises her role for Psycho 2. Actually, okay, after talking about it, I kind of want to go back and watch those other,

the other psycho movies. The other psycho movies? Yeah, I totally do. And I actually, I, I only got probably two seasons into the Norman Bates thing, the Bates Motel. Right. But it's because I had so much other drama going on in the back ground. I never got into Bates Motel. Did you watch that, Marcy?

I watched the first season and a bit of the second season. I kind of like parts of it, but then there's like this whole other thing of this weird town and drugs. like I don't get it. Okay. So what's up with that? Yeah, that's my downfall in that one. Like, I want, I want to see more of the Norman Bates stuff and less of the, his, his brother's a playboy and they've got some crazy fucking marijuana growing industry in this town.

What are you talking? Is that really going on? Yeah, no, there's, there's some new drama every week. Oh, wow. They turn it into a CW show is what happens. That's not. Yeah, I just, I just started season three. last night.

Right. And I think they're going to get more into the Norman Bates character and why he becomes who he is. But there's still a lot of the shit with his brother and the shit that goes on in the town going on. Yeah, they've got like, I mean, like from the get-go, they've got some sheriff that's built into the whole marijuana system. The whole thing is fucking crazy, man. Sounds like the fucking Friday the 13th remake where they tried to make Jason a pot dealer. Like, and I'm talking shit about it,

but, you know, I watched like three seasons of it and was trying to get really into it. But I really like the Norman Bates aspect of it with his mother and the whole psycho recipe that they've got going on. Right. As opposed to all of the town drama that they have. Yeah, I'm trying to.

to get caught up because it's the show is basically, the finale of the show is basically building up to this movie. Well, and then they keep talking about during the movie, if you go back and watch Psycho, they talk about the thing that happened 10 years ago, right?

Where, you know, he killed his mother and her lover. Okay, okay. Yeah, and so I think that that's what is building got you. And then they've had some other unsolved cases before. And so, they kind of go into those in the

show also. And so it's a cool history thing. They just got too much other, like shit with the town. Yeah, colorful confetti drama shit going on the background. It doesn't need to be there. But Brian, but Brian, didn't you tell me somebody fairly famous is going to play

Marion Crane? Yeah, I was going to ask Marcy, how do you feel about them casting Rihanna? That's weird. I don't like her or... or dislike her or anything? I don't know. Don't know so much about her, huh? I felt like...

I mean, I've seen her in concert and stuff. Like, I don't know. Yeah, I felt like it was an odd casting. I hate that they're trying to push her as an actress because I don't think that she's as good at it. Well, guys, what else has she been in as an actor? I mean, there have been other movies. She's been in, right?

Hey, she was in that animated one with Home. Yeah, it was with that guy from... No, Jim Parsons? Jim Parsons? Are you talking about that cartoon home? Was that her? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was the voice?

My six-year-old daughter doesn't even like that movie. Oh, my God. Yeah, my granddaughter has hated that piece of shit. That movie's... I like that. Shut up. Oh, my God, Marcy, are you crazy? No.

The whole movie was just a advertisement for her album, I think. Oh, my God. okay well we're gonna agree to disagree on that one you really liked that movie marcy i did i'd find that okay well that's i'm glad you did i wish i did i would have i had that experience unlike you three obviously oh my god wow god i hated that piece of shit but you know different opinions right dude i see that's what keeps everything every A cartoon that comes out right now, I see 5,000 times, so it doesn't really matter what it is. It's all about the same level to me.

But I like Jim Parsons. I'm not sure I like Rihanna as an actress. I don't know that she could pull that off. But if there's somebody that's going to be genuine in that role of, you know, having, being the young pretty secretary that's having the... That has the paranoia. Well, there's having an affair and steals the money and wants to run away with this guy. You know, she might be able to fill those shoes. Maybe she can pull it off.

And if not, she gets killed anyway. If she's horrible, she'll be dead soon. The thing is you don't want to, like, have that character and be like, oh, I want her dead. You kind of don't. Do you see her die? Right. So if that's how it's played, I mean, that's going to kind of be a fail, isn't it? You know, that's so fucking hilarious.

I bet you Rihanna is a really cool chick to hang out with in person, too. I hate talking shit about her. Didn't she get bitch slapped, though, by, uh, what was the guy? By Chris Brown? I hated that motherfucker after that. Yeah, what was that with all that? Oh, dude. So much luggage. You want to, you want to even go out.

I hate listening to that guy's music at this point. I was just saying, like, you got a character like Marion, you don't necessarily want to see her die, but if Rihanna does a shit job and And you're going to start rooting for Norman, huh? What are you going to do, right? Hey, you know what's going to happen, you know? Or they might bring in M. Night Shyamalan to do this one. Oh, no.

And there may be a twist. No, no, no, no. You never know. We're not going to start with that. About to twist. It could happen. He's had enough twists. Actually, they may change.

Actually, you know what? Now that I think about it, that sounded crazy, Marcy. but what if they do totally change it and he doesn't kill Marilyn Crane Nope, no they can't do that But what if they do? They can't do that Because look what they did with the Hannibal series, man

They fucked it up Why do you say that? I heard the Hannibal series was great It was for the first two seasons And then they fucked it up Yeah and then they fucked up That's Brian Fuller He's taking over Star Trek, the new Star Trek series

Yeah Yeah Supposedly he's one of the best Writers and creators on television right now Really? Yeah, have you seen Hannibal Mars? see the TV show? I've seen the first two seasons. What'd you think?

I really liked it. I really like the first two seasons. Ah, okay. I think I see where we're headed there. And then they try to twist things and you're like, hey, no, no, no, no, this was supposed to be done. Right. Spoilers. Well, yeah, we can spoil. It's been out over, at least over a year, right? I don't think that's necessarily a spoiler.

I haven't seen season three. but it was supposed to be like the it was supposed to be done after season two and then they I think that was the original intent they kept it going on and then they tried to keep it going

right and it got canceled well is it even done in season three because I heard that it got canceled and they didn't even know it was going to get canceled yeah that's what I'm saying like I was a huge fan of this show huge I watched it every week.

You kept telling me about it, dude. You kept trying to get me to start watching it. And then when season three came out, man, I just jumped shit totally. I watched like the first two episodes and that was it. And it wasn't anything like specific that happened.

Right. That I didn't like it anymore, but it went too far off base. So I think a lot of this probably comes down to where do we think that psycho rates in comparison to other Hitchcock films, right? I mean, obviously there were a lot of references to other movies,

like the birds. He had the birds that he would stuff, right? And that's some kind of a callback to the birds, one way form or the other. So how do you guys think this stacks up in other? Marcy, I'm assuming you've seen probably quite a few Hitchcock movies. Would you say this is in his top 10%, bottom 10%, somewhere in the middle?

where would you put this one? I'd say it's probably with the ones I've seen it's definitely up there because it is it's quite different from what he normally does I mean his first real

I guess true horror movie as well but he definitely does a lot of different things but I'd say it's quintessential Hitchcock Yeah Right

Well if you go back and look at his IMDB list I mean, he's got a whole bunch of stuff that he directs before this, you know, and a whole bunch of stuff that he directs after, man. This is, I think this is his iconic role, you know, and I actually kind of want to go back and watch something like the birds or something now that I haven't seen in 20 years. I really enjoyed rear window.

I thought that was really well done. Vertigo, I know, that was a classic. Vertigo was a lot of fun, too. Oh, Strangers on a train. I mean, how many fucking movies? movies now have you had the same exact fucking plot line of strangers on a train. I mean, not just

the obvious, like throw them off from the train. But if you think about these two people meeting each other and, hey, I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine. I'll kill your problem if you kill my problem. He really was way out ahead of himself with that one. Like I say,

I enjoyed vertigo quite a bit. North by Northwest, I haven't seen that one. Have you guys seen that one? Sorry, which one? North by Northwest? Not for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, I've never seen that one.

But I know there's some iconic moments in it, like with the airplane and stuff like that. But yeah, I would consider Psycho, if not his masterpiece, at least toward the top. I mean, I think it's up there with birds and vertigo. I mean, those are his kind of big three. I mean, he's directed a million freaking movies, but those are the ones that he'll be known for.

And again, man, going back and watching it again with the production value and the score going, Psycho was a top-notch movie, man. They had to have had a pretty decent budget going into it. I loved it. I really did. I enjoyed it from start to finish.

So Marcy, do you want to get started with the rating? I'd probably just give it a straight-up perfect score again. Wow! Not shy out with her perfect You are a 1960s kind of woman, aren't you? If you say so. For Christ's sake, what are we going to do when we get to 1961, for God's sake? I can't think of any movies from 1961 off the top of my hand.

I can either, but they're not psycho. I know there were some hammer movies out at that time. Were you into the hammer scene at all? A bits and pieces. A little here and there, huh? Very cheesy, very over the top, right? yeah pretty much so wow perfect score

holy crap Philip I'm gonna let you follow up with that one I gotta go next after going back and watching it again I think a nine is definitely in order I mean it's

like I really didn't like it growing up you know but uh going back and watching it it's got so many just classic scenes in it iconic right so many are just yeah iconic everything everything how many times have you seen that shower scene play out right

I know and it's all so perfect and the acting is amazing even though the people are sometimes kind of stupid which will happen but I think that I think it was really on point I really liked it

I'm gonna give it a nine and it's just because I don't give a lot of things, 10s. Brian, what about you, man? I'm also going to give it a nine. Taking a point away, just because I feel like it kind of just loses a little something, because you know how it's going to end when you rewatch it. So that shock and surprise is not there.

But like you guys were saying, there's a lot of iconic scenes. Even the final scene of him looking at the camera with that look on his face. Yes, absolutely. You know what? I'm changing my score. I'm giving it a 10. Wow. Yeah. All right. Well, fair enough. I mean, I'll go a little bit on the character here because you guys know me very well for rating movies pretty low for the most part. But I'll actually give this a 9.5. This is almost perfect. I'll put this up there with Jaws. I'll put this up there with close encounters of the third kind. I'll put this up there with some of the best films

that I've ever seen in my life and I'll definitely give it a 9.5 I think the setup was great I think for me it all boils down to Anthony Perkins' performance I really do I mean the minute I saw that guy I wanted to like him so badly

I really wanted to trust him and even now and then he turned it around on me like that and fucked me I can't believe it and I love that so much when a movie does that to me. That's why I say it's not as dated,

you know, it holds up. It holds up beautifully. If you look at him, and I cannot believe, I cannot freaking believe that they killed the main protagonist off 48 minutes into the movie. Yeah.

When do you ever see that? It surprised me. Even now. It surprised me and I've seen the movie. I mean, it's a masterpiece. I would almost give it a 10, but as you guys know, I give no movies a 10,

except Clockwork Orange, but I will give you. Give it a strong, strong, strong, 9.5. I love this movie. I have too, it's been a while. And what do you think? What's your opinion of Kubrick versus Hitchcock? Well, it's a bit silly to put them against each other because they're very different. Completely different, sure.

But I do. I probably prefer Kubrick because I think he's a more interesting filmmaker. Mm-hmm. I love his films. some of these films happen to be some of my favorite. Filmography dude, Hitchcock has got it. Now, Hitchcock, yeah, Hitchcock has some street cred, man. That dude knows what he's doing behind the camera. He's been around a long time, and he definitely has proven himself.

There's no doubt about it. But it is hard to put them up against each other. I don't know how you do with that. It's a lot more suspense than write-out horror, maybe, would you say? Yeah, he's more a suspense guy. All right, right? So we've all given our rating, right? Okay.

Now it's time for our listener feedback section. First of all, we do have a winner from last week's contest for the Horror Returns T-shirt, which congratulations, because I don't even have one yet. Joshua Youngblood. So Joshua's going to have one before you or Marcy, huh? I'm saying, right? Marcy, you don't have your t-shirt yet, do you?

No. Oh, for fuck's sake. It's our way. God damn it. damn postal service. I can't believe you're going to... Must be something from America to Australia. Joshua, man, I'm going to have a hard time saying the name of your town.

It's Murfreesboro, Murfreesboro, Tennessee. Sounds good? It looks harder than it is. Has filled this in on West Craven's real-life inspiration for the Freddie character. He says, Hey, fellas, big fan of the show. Haven't missed an episode yet.

I attached the article showing where Craven got the inspiration for the nightmare. I remembered it was something about an article he had read about a kid dying in his sleep due to nightmares about being in a hard labor camp or something. The link goes into more detail and... Yeah, we'll post it on the Facebook page and the pod bean page for sure. And he says, peace guys, Joshua Youngblood, way to go, brother. Appreciate it. Cool.

Good t-shirt for that. Thanks, Josh. John X. Wong Jr. commented on the report that Dario Argento is less than pleased with the upcoming... All right, hold on. Let's break there real quick. Okay. Marcy, since you're our guest, are you familiar with Dario Argento's work? Yes. And what do you think?

In what way? What do you think about it? Overall, is he a great filmmaker? Do you like any of that horror movies? Is that something that you're a fan of? I love Italian horror films. I love the Italian jello genre. I think Dario Argento was a brilliant filmmaker.

I think in his later years, he's kind of lost his touch a bit. All right, fair enough. Girl knows what she's talking about. All right, so. She does. She does. That's why she's super

Marcy So he commented That Don Argento is less than pleased With the upcoming Susperia remake Said that's not news He's been against it

Since it was in talks years ago He basically considers An insult to his film And John X Wong Jr. agrees with him Have you heard anything about that Marcy The Susparia remake

Was it said somewhere that Tilda Swinton was meant to be in it? Yes, that's the one part that's got me a little bit excited actually. It's a film that doesn't need to be remade, and I'm not sure what else knew they can really add to it, so it doesn't interest me at all. Well, anything Tilda Swinton is in, I love. That's how we do films today. If you want your remake to be a successful one, you need to respect. where it came from, but you also need to try something new and not just make a carbon copy or not just do it in name only and not.

And obviously you're going about it the wrong way. If you're doing it in name only, it's not a remake. That's just the way I feel. I'm going to give you a little slow clap on that one because I think that we remake too much shit now. Okay, so Patrick Lear of Kansas City, Missouri told us to keep up the good work. guys, I think you're doing great. He also shared these comments in response to the Suicide Squad episode. I agree the DC Cinematic Universe is a mess.

Putting it mildly. Dude, yeah, go into that one. Look, I like the movie, all right. But, uh, Marcy may be a huge fan of the current DC movies. What do you think, Marcy? I'm not a big fan of Manor Stee. I'm not a big fan of Batman v. Superman, but I did like Suicide Squad.

Oh, you did? No shit. It was a fun movie. Holy fuck. What would you give it on an Australian scale of one to five? What would you give it? Maybe three and a half out of five? Damn.

That's pretty good. Pretty strong. I'll take it. All right, cool. So he says he agrees that the DC Cinematic Universe is a mess and here's some hope for the future. He gives us a little link. It looks like there's a new man.

at the helm of DC on the film side Jeff is or was the EIC of DC Comics Universe so hopefully it'll be a step in the right direction Not sure who he's talking about Do you guys know anything about Brian do you know anything about current DC comics and he might be referring to?

Jeff Johns? Yeah, I'm not too familiar but I know a lot of DC fans are excited for him taking over And what do you think, man? what's his background? Is he a writer or what? Like I said, I'm not too familiar with him. So what's the guy's name? Jeff, G-E-O-F-F, right?

Yeah, I believe it's pronounced Jeff Johns. John's? All right, let's look him up. Marcy, have you heard anything about him? Are you into comics at all? Yeah, I know who he is. I don't know much about what's going on with D-C. They're working on fucking things up. But hey, you know what? Everybody says that, but like I said, dude, that last movie was pretty cool. And they've got Affleck directing the new Batman. I'm down for that.

Yeah, if he really is. Have you heard anything to confirm that? Yes, he's directing. Yeah, I mean, I thought that was, like, official. So what's it going to be a heist movie? Were they, they robbed the Boston baseball field, or what? Don't care, I'm down. I mean, is Jeremy Render going to show up in it?

I'm assuming not his hawkeye He might, but that was a badass movie Anyways, I didn't even finish The sorry Patrick So He says Hopefully it's a step in the right direction Sidebar in response to Lance's request

To have Deadpool in the DC universe It's not necessary As DC already has had their main Man in Lobo Lobo Lobo, a foul-mouth badass who often tangles with Superman, I'd be all in for a Lobo movie

if it were done correctly. It needs to be done correctly. Yeah, that's going to be tough. Well, especially with somebody like Kim. You know what? They pulled it off of Deadpool. Marcy, what do you think about Deadpool? I want to hear your opinion.

Lobo doesn't have a mask. I haven't seen it. You haven't seen Deadpool? You haven't seen Deadpool? Nope. Oh, dude, that is my favorite superhero movie so far, period. of everything? Yes.

No kidding. Yeah, absolutely. I kind of like the older X-Men movies quite a bit. I think Deadpool Blewedway. Yeah. You know, I mean, Ryan Reynolds is what he is. I love Ryan Reynolds, man. That is my guy.

Anyway, this is what I strive to be. A foul-mouth, badass. Okay, so Patrick's also been really good about posting news stories and updates on the Facebook page. We truly appreciate. Thanks, Patrick. Appreciate it, brother. Yeah, thanks, Pat. Okay, so Cynthia Talbot of the Woodlands, Texas, shared with this, this.

There's a link to the Pokemon Go horror fans. Yeah, we probably need to put that shit on her fucking Facebook page instead of trying to describe it verbal. Yeah, probably that would be a good idea. But Marcy, do you play, what's Pokemon Go in Australia? I'd really like to know what the popularity is there. it came out here before it came out anywhere else no shit

boy it took the fuck off well fucking educate us then for crying out loud it's an app on your phone where you catch Pokemon that's what happens and you've played it yes and do you continue to play it yes how many Pokemon do you have

so I have that's not enough I can load up the app now and tell you you need more today I'll put up the app and I'll tell you what I have Oh she's going to tell us Up the ass Oh up the app

Oh okay sorry Pokemon I have 174 Pokemon And my poker decks is I've caught 80 and seen 80 So that's the different types I guess that's a good number right I don't know Sounds good to me

It's impressive to me We'll go with it So again Thanks to everyone who reaches out to us. We love the feedback, even if Cynthia Talbot we can't quite know. Yeah, but I really want to, I'm

incredibly intrigued by what this is. Is she saying that there is a horror movie version of Pokemon? Like you can actually catch monsters and stuff like that? I believe that's what it is. Really? Brian, do you know anything about that? This may

deserve a few seconds yeah, I haven't really read this. I haven't really read the story through, but they are coming out with a version where it's horror-based. Wow, guys. I'm totally sorry that I haven't looked at the link yet. And read it? Well, I heard there was an app called Night Terror's.

Have you heard anything about that? Well, apparently there is an app called Night Terrors where it's kind of like catching Pokemon, but it's demons and stuff like that. Marcy, would you be interested? I think it was a good app. I was a good app. Let the nightmare begin. All right. that's why you got to invest in this Nintendo stuff, man.

I'm telling you. Because Pokemon is just the beginning. It's like Apple when they did the iPhone. That's what happens. You heard it here, guys. Stock advice from Phillip. Nintendo's been out forever, dude. Yeah, I know.

They're fucking 80s. They're taking off right now, though, with the Pokemon thing. Well, Nintendo didn't actually develop the app, so. Well, yeah, but they're behind it. they're the ones that are profiting from the from the whole Pokemon thing they're sitting back and enjoying the residuals huh Nintendo stock that's where it's at

right anyway so again thanks to everyone who reaches out to us we love the feedback as always you can reach us at our Facebook or pod bean page you can email us at the horror returns at gmail.com no spaces no slashes how come my email my first email never got read out

what the fuck are you serious what was your first email I said I wanted to bottle up Phillips voice but I would be happy to record as many episodes as you would like Marcy and you can bottle up my voice and I'm down with it

I appreciate it thank you by the way sure so where could our listeners find you what's your website what's your handle what's your, where can we find you on Facebook? Well, the website is supermassy.com. The Facebook page is facebook.com slash supernetwork.

People can try to look me up personally on Facebook, but I probably won't add to people. I don't know. I'm on the Twitter sphere at Twitter.com slash supermassy. Yeah, that's about it. You can, I think you have to look up Super Marcy. on iTunes because I don't think

looking up Super Podcast finds the podcast I don't know why and it's spelled M-A-R-C-E-Y right? Correct

So what's your take on the original Crocodile Dundee? Really? Why's everyone ask me about that? Are you fucking kidding? Everybody asks you that?

Yes, everybody does. That's not a knife. That's not how we sound. How do you sound? well you can hear me that's how i sound oh okay straight enough all right we are not crocodile dundee no no there's no like bush going on back there and it depends on because of the bush you're talking yeah i know as i was saying that i thought hey maybe this is not something that should come out of your mouth right now

Bush associated with mouth I have no problem with that Bush coming out of your mouth You guys Rown me off for the rest of my fucking life man I don't know what that'll Go get a beer man I'm gonna go get a beer

Like I can't stop crying Bush coming out of him Oh man Hey okay Mastabate what That's right actually have a question about that movie, okay? I was...

I was going to ask about masturbation. Yeah, it is. No, it is. It's a really a question about masturbation. When I saw that movie when I was younger, I remember him actually masturbating, like, while he was looking through the people. Is that not what happened?

Wasn't that the remake? I watched it today, and that's not what happened. That was... I think your mind filled that part in. Am I watching an edited version of this? Mercy, you would know. You're our local historian here. I thought that was the remake.

I think it's kind of implied maybe, but they really made it obvious in the shit house remake. Oh, I see her you're doing it in the remake. Oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking about. That was the one that had Vince Vaughn. That was, right? Vince Vaughn. Okay, that's what it was.

Okay, I made that. Unless you were looking at her going, oh, yeah, I think I should masturbate. to learn. It's like 12 I may very well have been. Yeah. I meant now. But no, okay.

So we made that awkward for just a little extra bit of nothing. But it's because it was awkward in the Vince Vaughn movie. Well, it was. Like, who jerks off to her at that point in her life? Right. Well,

look if the guy is sexually repressed I'm not trying to defend him I'm just going to stop talking no go ahead what are you saying no I'm saying if the dude is sexually repressed like I get where he

it's going to come out somehow yeah no and if I think that in the in the Vince one it's going to come out somehow absolutely oh Jesus why not why do I talk to these people

oh come on Man, we're all amongst friends here. I kid. Okay, so I think in the Vince Vaughn movie, though, where they do make it obvious that he is doing the... A little bit more obvious, huh? Okay, so I...

You can say it. Hey, who directed the remake? Do you guys know? Goss Van Sant. No shit. No shit. Wow. But I think that in the original, when he didn't,

I think that when he put... put the picture back up and like walked up to the uh right walked up to the house i think that was his nope i'm not doing this this is bad you know and i i think that that was more powerful even though obviously what stuck in my head was emacceration yeah i haven't seen the remake have you seen it marcy unfortunately my understanding is it's almost like frame for frame right yeah it's shot for shot but it's just it's terrible It's horrible. Yeah.

What's so bad about it? But there's no reason for it to exist. Just a bad interpretation or what? Why does it need to be there if it's the exact same movie? Because Gus Van Sien has made some other good films, though. I mean, he's not a hack filmmaker. He's made some other good stuff. Yeah, but why do you need to remake a movie if you're going to remake it exactly?

So is that your case, Marcy? Did he just remade it exactly the way the original was? added nothing new to it. The casting is all wrong. It's just shit. You had Vince. You had Vince Vaughn as Norman Bates. You know what?

I think that Vince Vaughn could have worked as Norman Bates. He didn't in that one. I can't think of Vince Vonn as Norman Bates at all. But he's still got a little charming aspect to him. You think so? I think so.

And like if you watch the original, you know, Perkins, like there's a charming ass back there. Oh, yeah, I bought it 100%. Yeah. I really wanted to like him. But Vince Vaughn doesn't have the same innocence that he does. Yeah, could be. I could see that.

Because that's what you need to make a door. That's why I think the kid works in the TV show. Yeah, I think that the kid in the TV show pulls it off a lot. I have no fucking idea who this kid is or anything. I saw the first episode of the first season and then I tapped out. He actually does pretty good, man. Tell me about it, guys. Is it good?

It's slow burn. Well, and it's always been a slow burn. Right? Like I said, they throw too many of that random... Town shit. Yeah, town shit happening in the back. There's too much assorted extra drama going on that doesn't need to be there. So this kid's name was

Freddy Highmore, huh? And they're trying to keep the interesting Charlie in the Chocolate Factory. Oh. Who did he play in that? The main kid, Charlie. No shit? In the remake.

In the remake. Yeah. Wow. Okay. I kind of recognize him now. Now that you say that, I think he does well in this. But I think that they're just

trying to appeal to too many audiences, which, right, you know, is the point of being there. You know, I mean, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a business. You have to make money at it, you know, but. Yeah, if they, if they let go, like, the shit with the town and I would say some of the stuff with the brother. Yeah. Because he's got his own side stories going on. Like, say this had been like an HBO series that was only maybe.

8 to 10 episodes per season I think it totally would have worked Yeah Yeah but there's like Everything that they do they make it They almost turn it into a network I equated to one of those CW shows man Yeah I see that

Yeah Like they just try to get too much drama going on all at once And hey look we have cool teenage shit too I think it's just it's not as focused as it should be Yeah Not enough masturbation in it you gotta have some more of that so Marcy

tell us more about your your podcast I mean what do you normally you do like every week or twice a week or three times a week the plan was once a week because you seem to be all over the fucking place

quite frankly from what I've done up lately oh the plan was once a week started a week to come out but then I've gotten sick So that's kind of gone out the window and then planned episodes haven't planned out. So there is that. I don't know when the next one will be because nothing's been recorded yet.

But hopefully there will be something this week. And then hopefully it'll be back on a bit more of a regular schedule. But it's the super podcast. We don't plan. We don't have notes. We just say, hey, you're a record. recording, yep, this is the topic. Yeah, let's go. Yeah, the last thing I heard from you was with Paul Shirey, and that was a long fucking time ago. That feels like three fucking weeks ago or something.

It wasn't that long ago. It was like last week. It's like last week. I don't know. It seemed like a long time ago. And then you were trying to say Paul Shiri, Paul Shiree, Paul Shiree. Can say his name properly, even though he told me like a minute before we recorded. and I'd already forgot. Jesus fucking Christ, how hard can it be to say Shiry? Come on. Oh, well, excuse me, Mr. Fancy Pants.

I had enough. Talk my pants in this conversation. You're taking yourself and your pants and you're going home, huh?