The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #120: Predator (1987) & The Predator (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: December 24, 2024

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This is Phil Fonnie Carroll and you're listening to The Horror Returns. Greetings, victims. For those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify goal, welcome. You have found a place where the horror returns. Listeners beware This podcast contains major plot spoilers

In the foulest of language Join us In celebrating the old and the new The best and the worst in horror Guys welcome back everybody to The Horror Returns And Lance with me as always are my co-host Brian and Phillip. How's it going, guys?

It's going good. Yeah, doing okay. Yeah. Phil, how are your cowboys doing, man? I haven't even followed a single game. Ooh, that was going to be my fool of the week. So yesterday was Sunday for when we were recording now. And they whooped the giant's ass.

It was, they put on a clinic, man, and finally looking pretty good. They didn't put a lot of points on the board, but look the hell of a lot better than they did in week one. So I'm kind of excited again. Nice. Cool. Brian, you keeping up with Texans still, huh? You know what?

I got all into the preseason. I was, you know, I was watching that HBO show, Hard Knocks and everything. And once the season started, I have not watched a single game. No, no. Yeah, I have not had the time. Not a whole lot to watch with that. the Texans so far. They were a little bit disappointing.

Yeah, well, it's usually like which star player is going to get hurt this season. That's what it's usually been. Well, they've got to find a star player first. Yeah, sure. I still love you, JJ. Yeah, he's driving around in his Ford truck, saving people from the flood still, huh? Yeah. Well, he's holding the defense together.

I'll give him that. I mean, their D looked pretty good. They just can't get anything going on offense. The D looked pretty good I don't even watch sports I'll tell you how much I keep up with sports I was in a fucking In Mississippi Saturday in a casino

Where they now have legal sports gambling now And I didn't bet on a single game How are you going to say the Texans had a good defense I looked up and it was like Patriots 37 Texans 3 Or something at one Oh not in that game Yeah they didn't show up that one That was week one

All right Well you guys ready to do to start with our usual. You're cool of the week. Is that, is that it, Phil, for sure? Hereditary, I watched that one again. Yeah, really much.

Awesome movie. Yeah, killer. Slice. Remember we watched the preview for that one? Yeah, I'll check it out too. Yeah, it was pretty fun, man. It wasn't, like, it was another 824 movie. It was maybe not quite as cool as I wanted it to be,

but it was pretty damn. close, man. I enjoyed myself. It was pretty fun. You know, I mean, it was a story was a little all over the place. Yeah. But I think I liked it because it's not your typical A-24 movie that you would get.

Yeah, it was pretty funny. And then the wife and I went to go see peppermint with Jennifer Garner. Yeah. I've seen that too. Did you? Yeah, dude. She's no John... I'm sorry, man. She's no John Wick.

but she's close. She was pretty badass in this movie. I was impressed. I think I liked it better than Atomic Blonde. Yeah. Atomic Blonde had one really, really good scene and a lot of boring stuff, I thought. Well, two. The action sequences may not be quite as good, but they're pretty close.

Atomic Blonde had two really good scenes if you count the makeout scene, I guess. Oh, yeah, that was a pretty good one. I thought that was the scene we were talking about. I was thinking of the stairwell gunfight. Yeah, I have a couple more. I want to bring a... I talked about I was a little let down by the Sharp Objects finale.

Oh, yeah. Somebody hit me, too. There was a mid-credit scene. So I went back and watched it, and it kind of got me a little excited for if there's going to be a second season. Cool. So...

Kind of a cliffhanger, huh? Yeah, just a little reveal. It was like a little 30-second little credit scene, but the reveal I was just kind of like, oh, wow. And let's see. Checked out the first episode of American Horror Story, Apocalypse. Oh, I forgot about that. Not a lot happened, but it's a very interesting story that they're going for.

And I'm interested to see if, because I know Sarah Paulson and I'm still fucking up her name from the nun. Taisa, Formiga. Taiza, Taiza, whatever. Very Formiga sister. Yes, there you go. I'm very interested to see if they can handle these multiple roles they're going to be playing.

So far, we only got Sarah Paulson. And also, what is his name? That's Evan Peters. Sure. Yeah. He's going to be playing a lot of roles because he shows up. up in the first episode, and he's not even a character from either a murder house or Covent. Oh, boy.

But I'm interested. The wife's interested. She's only like maybe two seasons out of the whole series, and this episode intrigued her to want to watch this season, or at least the first few episodes. I have to at least watch it. And finished Castle Rock. Oh, yeah? Oh, he's over. Yeah.

Episode 9 got you really hype for the finale, and then nothing happened. Nothing was explained. No penny wise, huh? No. The reason why he was there in Castle Rock was explained, and it was really cool, but who he is was just kind of left. opened. Why would they do that?

Didn't they announce that this was supposed each season is supposed to be its own story? Yeah, so I know they said characters will return throughout each season, but the mid-credit scene to the finale, I'm interested in, if they tell that story. And I don't know if I should spoil it or not. You're talking about Castle Rock?

Yeah. Dude, you know what? I'm done. I tapped out after the two, and you guys know I'm the biggest Stephen King fan ever. Okay. And if you don't believe me, wait until you hear my cool of the week, so go for it, man. Okay. If anybody doesn't want to hear, fast forward like two minutes.

Big credit scene was Jack Nicholson's niece, Jackie Torrance, played by Jane Levy. She is writing a book called The Overlooked, and she is going to take a trip to the hotel. Okay. So I'm interested in that story. Maybe Scars Garland will appear in all of them and just kind of bring the stories together. Oh, yeah. Maybe so. Possibly. Maybe I'll pick it up again.

Yeah, because I really like Jane Levy, and I think she was underused this season. Because when she was on the season, like, her character is interesting, and then you just wouldn't see her for, like, an episode or two. So hopefully maybe you get more of her and her character, Jackie Torrance next season. All right. But, yeah, I think that's it. All right. Yeah, well, we'll see, man. I might pick it up.

But yeah, speaking of Stephen King, definitely leads into my cool of the week. You guys know I've been in Comunicado for, what, the last 10, 11 days or something? Oh, yeah. So there's That's the cool of the week, huh? No. I mean, it was. It was, but I got an actual media cool of the week,

just not a movie or a show this time. So we had a lot of time on the beach, man. So I wrapped up reading the second and third book in the Mr. Mercedes trilogy. Oh, that's cool. The Bill Hodges trilogy. So second book was called Finders Keepers. And it's like, Hodges doesn't even show up until a third of the way into the book, which I thought was kind of interesting, but they really focus on these other characters.

And it tells like a completely different story, but then kind of toward the end of the book, it's got some scenes where Hodges, you know, kind of goes back, you know, to visit the, to visit the, have you guys seen Mr. Mercedes, the TV show? No. I've only seen the first two episodes and have not gone back. Oh, man, you're missing a great show. I won't give too much away then. He visits someone from the first season that apparently the third season is going to go into book number three, which I also read, which is called End of Watch. Okay.

And that one picks up the other character again that was in the first book. So, yeah, man, did a lot of reading. And I also read a book called Origin. You guys heard of Dan Brown, The On The Out of Grand Brown? I haven't. Da Vinci Code, right? DaVinci Code, absolutely. Yeah.

So this is his new. one. It was pretty good, man, but it wasn't, he ain't nearly the writer king is. But I really got into these, got into these books, man. Time to read at last. Kind of like the Twilight Zone episode, except this time I didn't break my reading glasses. So just chilling on the beach reading books, huh? Chilling on the beach, reading books, and eating a lot of blue crab and shrimp. I know I've seen that. Drinking a lot of frozen, frozen drinks.

That sounds amazing. Yeah, it was a good time. It was a good time. And like I said, we hit the casino on the way back, which is always fun. Do you win any money? Hell no. No. You know, these places get you in, man.

They keep taking your money and taking your money, and then they give you one big hit. And then you're like, ah, okay, cool. I think I'm about to get another big one. And then you end up spending all your money. But keep on going down the drain. Well, I usually take like $100 a day to play with. So I'm like super small time. Like nowhere near.

I'll never get comps or anything like that. But, you know, just do it to have a little fun. But, you know, we brought, like, I think I ended up taking 200. And then AJ took like 100 to gamble with. And I think we brought home 270 collectively. So what do we do? Spend 30 bucks and had about five or six hours of funds. So you can't beat that.

Oh, hell, that's not bad. Well, we stayed, we didn't stay at a casino. We stayed at the Margaritaville Hotel in Biloxi. Oh. We like it because it's like totally smoking free. But they don't have a casino in there. However, they have like the biggest fucking video arcade I've ever seen in my life. So you can spend more money in one hour in that arcade than you spent for four.

hours in the casino, easy. I was just going to say that. A casino is kind of an arcade that pays you back. Sometimes. All right, well, cool. Sounds like we wrapped it up for Cool of the week. You guys ready to move on. You got any headlines, Brian? Aaron Paul, a lot of people

know him as Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad. He is joining the cast of HBO's Westworld. What? Okay. I'm okay with that. Jesse and Wendkewarm. Westworld, huh? Yes. Okay. So, yeah, I am not fully caught up, but I'm a fan of Aaron Paul, so I definitely need to get caught

out now because I'm interested to see what he's going to be doing on Westworld. Me too. I totally buy that. Philip, your Venom movie is really... Why is it my Venom? Because you're the most excited for it. This movie is killing me. It is official, confirmed. It is PG-13. They have edited down from a rated R.

I, personally, I wasn't a big fan of this, but knowing that I would probably get something cool out of it because it was going to be rated R. That's probably the only thing exciting me. You're done. If you're going to make a movie about a bad guy, I think it needs to be a little bit. bit dark.

Oh, boy. But the director has... Darker than PG-13. Yeah. But the director has said when it comes out on Blu-ray, there will be a director's cut. So, I guess there's that. Money-grab.

And for, of course, he let everybody know there's going to be a mid-credit scene, so... Is that what they said about the Meg? The director's cut on that one? Oh, the Meg. Yeah. Just hit 500 million worldwide.

Jesus Christ How did that even happen? I know we didn't even get Jason Statham kicking a giant prehistoric shark That's what I was hoping for I didn't even get it I know it

And the biggest non-horred news Going around Henry Cavill, Cavill however you say his name He's done in the Superman There's a lot of speculation After all that

work to erase the plastic. So does that mean that they're done making that specific Superman series? Okay. From what I'm gathering, this is not confirmed by the studio, but it is like on every major

media outlet is that they were trying to get him to cameo in Shazam. And that would count to his one, he has one more appearance as Superman, so that would count as an appearance to Superman. Oh.

And he was trying to renegotiate his contract, and I guess there was some sort of problem. Because there's no new Superman movie on the docket. There's a Supergirl movie that they just announced, but there's no Superman. They've already got the TV

show for Supergirl, man. Yeah, this just further proves that Warner Brothers does not know what the fuck they're doing with their DC movies. Yeah. I know. He sounds like he kind of fucked him over, though, really.

I mean, that's kind of a dick move. Yeah, but he's been pushing for a Man of Steel sequel, which that's what I wanted. That's what I really wanted, because out of this whole DC lineup, my two favorite movies is Man of Steel and Wonder Woman. Yeah, definitely. The rest is garbage.

I can see that. I can see that. And you can't really reset this whole, because they're already in the middle of filming the next Wonder Woman. Right. And it looks like Ben Affleck is definitely done. I mean, that guy's in rehab right now. Yeah.

So I don't know what they're doing. Oh, Batman. I'm really disappointed with that too, man. I was really looking forward to Affleck redeeming himself in superhero movies, and he just hasn't, hadn't done it. I think he, if they gave him a little more control, I think he could have done it with the new Batman. But I was kind of thinking maybe it has something to do with this whole rehab thing.

Because if you look at how he was in Batman versus Superman compared to Justice League, it's like night and day. Oh, yeah. Like Justice League, like he didn't give a fuck. Oh, yeah. Well, and before, I think before they wrapped up on Justice League, he was already having disputes about the directing the new Batman movie. Yeah, which, from what I hear, he's not even going to, he's definitely not going to be in that one.

They're going to go with a younger one. Oh, come on. Are you serious? Yeah, they have no clue in what they're doing. It's just embarrassing, man. That's some of the top talent in the world. Let's see how bad we can fuck it up. Just throwing money against the wall, huh? Yeah.

And we got a couple little things in horror. The nun has already made over 228. million in just two weeks. Wow. Well, I've heard a lot of bad reviews, including you guys. Yeah. Annabelle made a lot of money, too. I mean, let's hope that they get the sequel right.

Yeah. The nuns on the run, huh? And probably, to me, the biggest news to come out in horror is Jordan Peels and talks to remake Candyman. I mean, what is this guy not in talk? to do, though. He's got to settle down on something. Yeah, I think from what I understand, this is a real strong possibility of happening, because I've read that he's a fan of Candyman.

Is he still doing the Twilight Zone show? Yes, that is a... For sure. Yeah, that is a definite, I believe it's supposed to come out neither the end of the year or the beginning of 2019 on CBS All Access. come out with one movie and offers just come rolling in, huh? Yeah. Right.

This one I see as a strong possibility, though. Yeah. I think he can do this one. Lovecraft Country is out, huh? Oh, that's coming, but that's not coming until 2019. Oh, okay, so he is still going to do that. Yeah, which seems everything that HBO has seems to be coming 2019. It's going to be a big year.

Lovecraft Country. That was a weird book, man. I couldn't really get into it. It was a little too dated for me. It just felt off. But, you know, I mean, it was a huge success, so somebody liked it, you know? Yeah, I'm definitely interested in that. I mean, that's him and JJ Abrams, right?

Doing it together, I think. I think that's what you told us in news, what, about a year and a half ago? Yeah, so. I first announced it. So, yeah, I will keep everyone. hosted. I think it's just in talks right now, but I think this one will happen. Out of

everything he's been offered, I think this will happen. And that is all the news. That's the news. All right. Philip, where are we going, man? Going on down to the trailer park. It's going to have

ourselves time. Brian, what's the first new trailer to talk about this week? Okay, we got a trio of teaser trailers. for the first two are going to be for Hulu, and we're going to talk about Light as a Feather. This is starring Harley Graham, John Churchill,

and this is releasing October 12 on Hulu. What do you guys think of Light as a Feather? Good timing. Yeah. I think it's going to hit that audience, for sure. I mean, I won't be watching it. I'm not in the, you know, I don't think I'm in the target audience, but yeah man

I mean it looks to me like I could I could see the same crowd that likes pretty little liars or something like that really getting into it yeah I kind of forgot about it already I watched it like an hour ago yeah yeah we're not in the guys

let's be fair here we're definitely not in the target audience here yeah so if anybody's I'll check out the first episode I usually check out the first episode of everything I probably will too. I probably will too. I'll wait and let you guys tell me.

All right. October 12th on Hulu. And our next one is going to be our second show that's coming to Hulu. And that is Blumhouse's starring Tom Bateman. And I totally forgot this guy was even an actor, Dermott Maroney. Maroney. And Rebecca Rittenhouse.

this is going to be interesting what Blumhouse is doing with Hulu. We're going to get an episode each month. Okay. And it's going to be based on that month's holiday. Wow. So. Okay. I kind of like the concept.

At least it's a little different. Well, but it was just done, wasn't it? Wasn't there a movie called Holidays that was kind of shitty? It's garbage. Oh, yeah. Maybe they can take that concept to do it right. Do it right?

Yeah. I don't know, man, that big blue-eyed, fuzzy-looking furry five nights at Freddy's thing, I didn't do much for me. I don't know, man. I don't, maybe, you know, watch it while keeping it green. Maybe it'll work out that way. Okay, I get it. I get it.

Yeah, Blumhouse is. Into the Dark series starts October 5th, and of course, it would be their Halloween episode. So, uh, check it out on Hulu. It looks interesting enough. Yeah, good. Just like the other show, good timing, right? Yeah.

Um, I guess also good timing for Netflix is, uh, the chilling adventures of Sabrina, which is starring, uh, shit. Kier, Kiernan Shippa, Miranda Otto and Bronson Pinchot. You guys remember, Bronson show. Was it Boutky? Balky.

Oh. Okay. Why not? I don't know anything about Sabrina. I remember the show back in the day, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, but I know this is based off a graphic novel, which is

a very dark take on the character, which a lot of people have told me, this is what they've been waiting for. a adaption of the graphic novels, so I'm kind of interested.

It looks pretty cool. I can't lie. Yeah. I'll watch it. I'm, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm,

I'm pretty excited, man. That was, uh, that was one of my guilty pleasures of, uh, that, uh, you guys remember TGIF? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. That was, that was one of my guilty pleasures. I, I, I got a kick out of the, Oh, man.

My kids would watch it. My daughters were of that age, you know, that they were starting to get into those types of shows. And I was very excited to see Salem at the trailer here, because he was my favorite character. But no, dude, I thought the ants were hot, man. I always felt like, wow. Always like looking at them.

Are there going to be hot ants in this one? I don't know so far it's just a teaser the show is going to be on Netflix October 26 so really close to Halloween so I guess

I'm sure we'll get a full trailer by then so we'll see Miranda Otto she's not my idea of a really good-looking woman on how kind of feeling that's probably who they're casting is one of the ants so

I mean, Balky. Balky. Can't go wrong with Balky. He was my favorite. So far, we have brought up Dermont, Maruni, and Balky on this episode. Probably the first time in our two and a half years doing this. It might be the last time. Probably.

Yeah. Chilling Adventures of Sabrina will be on Netflix, October 26. and that is our last teaser trailer. All right. So, first one is from Jeff Lattermore. Laramore. He says,

thanks so much for posting the bonus episode for the nun. Saved me wasting my time. Yours to the point. Yours very truly, Jeff Laramore. Thanks, Jeff. And yeah.

Thanks, Jeff. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I can't give it anything higher than that. I mean, it'll be on HBO within a month anyway, so, you know. Catch it when it comes out on demand or something. Let's see. The next one is also from Jeff Laramore.

Oh. He says, I've been watching horror movies for over 40 years and was slain by Hereditary. It was such a gut punch that I really couldn't even talk about it for a long time afterwards. The themes were just so heavy. I finally started listening to some of the Hereditary reviews and was thrilled to see that you had Thomas Mariani on to discuss it. I think he is brilliant and always love listening to his analysis of movies. It was fun hearing him interact with you guys,

and I was happy to hear that everyone there liked. That's probably not the right word, is it? Top five for sure. Oh, yeah, definitely. I think Hereditary was such a great movie, but I tell everyone I think it's fantastic, but I'm not sure I can recommend it to everyone. Thanks for the work.

I know it's not easy putting out a show every week, and I appreciate it. Yours very truly, Jeff Laramore. Well, thanks, man. That was a couple of pretty awesome reviews there. And let's see. We got another email from our number one listener, Patrick Lear. Oh, boy.

Star Wars. I don't know yet. Probably. He says, hey guys, I was just listening to your Nunn Review episode and wanted to chime in. Here we go. I pretty much agreed with everything Brian and Phil had to say about the movie. The setting was pretty cool, but everything else fell flat. The jump scares were predictable, and the story just never really came together. The two main characters seemed very out of place, mainly the priest, because as Brian said it, he was the worst exorcist ever. he certainly did not act like a veteran of the supernatural. I didn't mind Taise's performance as much because she did come across as someone very inexperienced as per the character.

I felt the story suffered from an overabundance of lazy writing. There were no twists whatsoever. Brian also mentions the tie-in with Frenchie's character. I agree that was cool, but what bothered me is that they didn't tie in the name. none to why she was appearing in the second movie. Wasn't that the whole point of this one? Okay, well, besides the money, I'm right here with Brian. Besides the money.

Yeah. I'm right here with Brian in this one. Better than Animal, but just barely. Soft five on ten. Well, that's generous. Not bad. That's generous. Yeah, I mean, that's half good.

That's about hitting right on par. Um, let's see, we got some, uh, be germane. Germain. Germine. Sorry, man. He's going to be on the show next week. Um, it says, uh, hi, everyone. My, I'd read it in Australian accent, but she'd want me to do that.

Come on, do you. Try it. No. No, well, we may get some Arnold, uh, impersonations in later, though. You can count on that, huh? Hell yeah. Uh, hey, everyone, my recap article. with my reviews on all the

genre-related films that I saw at this year's Melbourne International Film Festival is now online over at the screencast dot com. So what did I think of films like Mandy, Climax, Hagazusa,

and others. Read on and find out. Right, we'll check that out. There's a link right in the group. uh yes yeah so check out the facebook group page um to see most of this stuff we have a bunch of cool stuff that we post up there it's not annoying at all it's it's all really cool stuff um regarding predator uh samantha bean says remember when it was on every sunday growing up

like the movie still on every sunday it seems like a pretty good sunday afternoon movie yeah right Regarding Predators, with an S, Adam Bunch says the second best film in the series. Hmm. Is that the one with Adrian Brody? Yeah. Yeah. It's fun.

It's fun, but I have a nostalgic thing for the Danny Glover one. Yeah, me too. Predator, too? Yeah, because I remember seeing, I remember my dad taking me to see that in the theater, so it's kind of a nostalgic thing. Yeah, the one that was set in the very distant future of 1990. where gangs have taken over L.A. and the police have no authority anymore?

Yeah, so futuristic. Okay. So it's just a different dimension, man. It could be happening. I don't know about second best in the series, though. That's the one I didn't re-watch this week, and I wish I had, mostly to try to refute that. Regarding the new poster for Overlord,

Felix Vasquez Jr. says, me, okay, blood spatters. Oh, wait. Are those guys parachuting? That looks like blood drops. Cool. Yeah, I didn't even notice that

when I first saw it. I had to go back and look at the poster after reading that. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it's real cool. You saw it, Brian? Yeah. You guys excited for this one?

Oh, yeah. I'm scum. It's going to be a fun holiday movie for the month of November. Overlord. All right. What are we going to pair it with? I think we were doing Raiders of the Lost Art. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Good call. Let's see. Samantha Bean says, anybody watch any of these five cult Korean horror movies to watch now? I don't know what the five movies were, but we've got the comments. And Brian chimed in first and said the wailing, old boy, and train to Busan are fantastic. Oh, I just left out some news for Train to Busan.

Oh. We are getting a sequel, and it's called Peninsula. Really? Yes, the outbreak has hit the entire peninsula, so it's going to be what we got and trained to Busan, but on a larger scale. I'm asking good time. Same director, do you know? Yep, same director.

All right, should be good then. Cool. Michael Green says, Seeing them all, a big fan of Park Chan Wook trilogy, especially. Thomas Mariani, says,

Old Boy and Train to Busan are great. Though sympathy for the lady vengeance, is underrated. Now, isn't that part of the Old Boy trilogy? I believe so. Like the Revenge trilogy or whatever. Thomas, if you're listening, chime in, man, educate me. There you go.

Or anybody. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure there were three of them, right? That was one and then old boy and another. But I've seen old boy. I just, a lot of kung fu and stuff, I thought. Like, you know, we're, all right, this is what throws me off on some of the movies that use a lot of martial arts is it's great to watch. But how come when you've got like 50 people attacking you, why don't they all just gang up on you at, once. Why do they come at you

one at a time, like politely to fight? It'll be a very short movie. There's an episode of that Jean-Cloud Van Damme series on Amazon Prime about that. Really? All the guys are about to fight.

Wait, wait, wait. We'll get confused if we attack him all at the same time. Go one at a time. One other time. I love it, man. I get to check that out. It's pretty funny. Darren Wilson says I watched Megan is missing once and never will again.

Good move. Good move. It was possibly the first movie that I got up and checked on my sleeping child afterwards and unrealistically added five years in my head to when they'll be allowed onto the internet. Usually I'm dead inside with movies, but something in it hit that switch. Oh, wow. That's a movie that'll do it, man. It was a hit home kind of movie. It's uncomfortable.

Ryan D. Niccolo says the cinema Psiops and T-Puts review. Podcast under the stairs. Oh, okay. My bad. Podpast under the stairs review. Of it were enough for me. Samantha Bean says, thanks for the heads up.

I was iffy on it, and now definitely won't watch it. Wow. I already worry about my. kiddos who are 11 and 12. They don't use the internet unless we're with them, and they are well aware of the danger. Yeah, it's definitely disturbing, but I'd say worth watching at least once, just to scar you for life. Regarding the Nun, another one, Stephen Loblad says I liked it. Oh, somebody did.

Yeah, he's the guy. Dorothy Stein says... He's the guy. Yeah. Dorothy Stein says so jumpy. Oh boy, there we go with the jump scares, huh Brian? It was packed with jump scares. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. Touch your brother's hot. He's got like Adam Sandler there. Aye, aye, y, aye. So we'll start with Predator, the 1987 original, directed by John McTiernan. also known for the classic diehard as well as the not so classic the last action hero

that movie was ahead of its time I like it okay I was gonna say you hit some you miss some but hey sound like you guys liked it although it's you know pretty infamous for being terrible came out with that badass ACDC song though

that kid was horrible in it yeah was it was it the same kid that was in the Star Wars prequels? No, he couldn't have been. He's in the same group of bad actors. It's that kid that said, now that's pod racing. Was it?

I don't think it's in jail now. Do what? Isn't he in jail now? Oh, yeah. I think he is. I heard about that. Uh-oh. Well.

Downhill slope. That's pod. racing. You kill one room full of younglings. Right. Okay, well, the writers were Jim is John Thomas. The film, this was really interesting. I had to pull this trivia out.

The film provided a variety of hardships for the actors, such as leeches, snakes, stifling humidity, and rough terrain. All of the night scenes were filmed during freezing cold temperatures, which was especially hard on Ardle during the latter half of the film when the mud he had to wear actually pottery clay became cold and wet he was warned

it would take his body temperature down a few degrees and he shivered nonstop even when they tried to heat him up with lamps he tried drinking Jagertie a schnops mixture to warm him but that just got him drunk another fun Another fun piece of trivia

The Predator's Blood Brian You want to guess what that's made out of I knew this before I saw the trivia What was it The stuff in glow sticks Yeah and what else Well just because I'm looking at the trivia

you. Liquid from inside the glow sticks and some KY jelly. Ooh. Oh, man. I had a glow stick bust because it got so hot. It busted over top of me and dripped on my head while I was sleeping. It was disgusting. They smell terrible.

Just so you know. Sounds like quite a party. Yeah, I'll tell you. 140 degrees outside. That'll do it. Yeah, I guess it would. So, uh, Predator, 1987. Uh, I know you guys are, what, clamoring to go first, right? I'll go first by saying this is one of the greatest sci-fi action movies that was ever made.

Yeah. This was, this was, this was, this was at the height of Arnold. This movie is fucking fantastic. This, I can re-watch this. any time of the day, any time of the year, and it never gets old. There's so many quotable things. Sometimes I got in trouble with my wife because me and my son did the handshake. The son of a bitch.

It's become a meme now. Yeah. And there's so many great characters in it. I like the whole, you know, we even get Shane Black, who will talk about him in the newer movie. And you get Bill Duke. Jesse the body Ventura. I don't call him the governor. He's always the body.

Jesse the body. He was awesome in this. Yeah, the great practical effects in this. The predator looked fucking awesome. I remember seeing this in the theater when I was a kid and just being fucking amazed when you finally get that reveal when he takes that mask off. I was just like, what am I looking at? But I just remember being just blown away.

And there's a scene that I always remember. It scared the shit out of me when I was a kid for some reason. First, see all those bodies hung up that got skinned. Oh, yeah. Sure. Just being a little kid, I think I was like seven when I seen. I clearly remember this just when that scene happened. I was just like, ugh.

Were you, uh, or were you, ah, uh? I don't know Arnold Arnold was very big for me when I was a kid Oh hell yeah Terminator Even his lesser known movies

That we know We talked about The Commando And a red heat Raw deal I loved all his movies That was a different What about Mr. Freeze?

Oh gosh What are you guys doing? I'm looking at ice Bring my Arnold hide down I know man But this is definitely one of his greatest. Yes, absolutely. Carl Weathers, Apollo Creed's in this movie.

He has very memorable Lose your fucking arm scene. I never understood why he couldn't just shoot the other gun. Why did he have to make sure he took the harness off of him? Could have just turned around and shot. He did, didn't he? Didn't he try shooting the gun with his left hand first? Yeah. But he had two guns, though.

Right. As he's seeing the predator come, he's trying to get the harness or the strap or whatever you call it off. I'm like, just turn around and shoot. That's all you need to do. I mean, it wasn't going to do no good, but. Trying to overcomplicate it, huh? And I always remember the Bill Duke scene, though. Yeah, I always remember the Bill Duke scene when he gets his head blown off.

Yeah. Just splatter across the screen. and yes this movie's so I mean even the little minor lines that people don't even talk about there's a line where a guy tries to sneak up on Arnold

and he just throws a knife at him and tells him to stick around oh that was that's a great line I used to wait for those lines from Arnold oh yeah we all we all did man I like

Jesse the Body Ventura had some pretty awesome quotes in this one to me oh yeah I ain't got time to bleed right and political correctness be damned, right, Philip? Oh, yeah, he's got one in there that I'm not going to step on, but

the end of it makes you a sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me. Great movie, dude. Yeah, this is, I think, probably one of Arnold's top three performances with probably both the Terminator movies. I don't know if anything else really compared. to it, man. It's definitely

classic action. And I actually watched it twice just this week because I watched it once late at night and then I was trying to get the kids to watch it with me. Oh, they don't want to watch it? Ah, no, they get distracted. Logan is stuck on Fortnite, so he's online gaming

all the time. Oh, right now. My little one watched it with me a little bit, though. She was pretty impressed. Predator thing kind of scared. her a little bit. She was cool with it. Yeah, man. It's definitely one of my favorites.

I love all the trivia about it. I love watching it over and over again. Totally rewatchable. Man, I'm ready for scores on this one. Go ahead, Lance. Yeah, it's, well, I'll maybe bring it down just a little bit. But not too much. I mean, you guys are having a K-wide glowstick party over it, but... Oh, yeah.

Every day. No, no, it's a very fun movie. It's definitely Arnold at the height of his career. There's no doubt about it. The fucking part that I'd even forgotten about, because I used to watch it quite a bit, like probably between 87 and 92 or something. But I'd completely forgotten the side story

where that Carl Weathers sent him in their false pretenses, Yeah, it was a weird setup story. It really was. It really was. But hey, at least it was original. Unlike the setup, well, anyway. But yeah, it was definitely... What I loved was seeing real fire and real explosions instead of CTI fire.

Oh, they took down an entire forest. And Arnold picks up that fucking truck and just rolls it down the hill. And you know that's actually him doing it. He's like, I mean, you know, when you're Arnold, what are you going to do? You know. True enough. I don't know.

I will say this. I will say maybe it was, to me, at least to my sensibilities on this watch, it felt a little dated. Maybe especially toward the end. And it felt a little corny when you got that whole scene where Arnold's putting the mud on and preparing to battle one-on-one and like these long shots. When he does the yell, the screen... When he does the Yale, the Tarzanum, whatever.

It's great. And when you get the long shots of him flexing his muscles and, you know, it was a little corny. I got to just say it's a little corny. It's the 80s. You've got to have that, especially the scene when Carl Weathers is doing his, his character's doing his usual bullshit. And they're just telling him, well, why don't you just help out? And, of course, you cut to the next scene where they're pulling the tree and everybody has their shirts. off flexing. It's the 80s.

Arnold was his own superhero back then, man. Yeah, he was. I kind of have to wonder, did they really have to bring the female character on? I mean, did she add a lot to the story? Or, I mean, was that just so they could have one female in there or what? I kind of liked her one scene where she told the story that her grandma told her. about finding the man skinned. And then as she got older, basically she was saying that I think some of the soldiers

or some of the men or whoever, whoever they were, they started finding them skinned alive when the part of the year that it was the hottest came. And it just kind of lets you know that the predators have been there or the predators or whoever's been coming there

for a long time. That's true. I didn't think about that. so it wasn't it wasn't the deal where the Predator had just had just like landed there the day before or something, huh? No, I always took it as

they've been there many times before. Yeah, well I mean, according to Shane Black or according to what I read, some of the stuff I read over the weekend, Predator, Predator 2, Predators,

and the new movie are Canon and all the rest of them are bullshit. You guys hear that too? What, Alien vs. is bullshit? Nah. No way. For some reason,

they threw those out of the cannon. I wonder why. It's part of the storyline. Well, it's not like they made the bees apart. Well, we'll get into it, but it's not like these things played a big part in the storyline of it either.

Yeah. Yeah, there's like a little minor thing from Predator 2 that that pops up in the new one. Right. I think they, I don't know. I don't know what really. from this one came up in the new one, but we'll get there.

Yeah, a couple of things. Yeah, we'll definitely get there. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I mean, it's not, it's not like a top ten film for me. It sounds like for you, it is, Brian? Yeah. How does it compare, just out of curiosity. I mean, it's two different types of films, but how would you compare it to the thing? Oh, gosh. The thing is more paranoia,

just, I don't know. I don't know how to, I never really know how to explain the thing. It just hits me in a certain way. It scared the shit out of me when I was a kid because it was just quiet, one minute, not knowing who is who. The thing is a better movie, but this one's on. But then when you get to the Predator, it's just all out action, one-liners, 80s. Like you said, there's some cheesy moments in here, but. with my age

oh yeah gotta have that one famous line gotta have that one that's what yeah yeah they they're

they're you know they hold up for different reasons for me this is this is like the quintessential like Arnold when I want to when I want to watch

an Arnold movie this is the type of movie I want to watch you know I don't I don't go for the sixth day gotcha okay

all right you guys ready for scores yep Um, I'm gonna have to do it. I'm gonna have to give it a 10 out of 10. Figured as much. And real quick, I want to say RIP to Sonny Landum. Landum, he played Billy in this movie. Billy was a character or actor that I've seen pop up in a lot of 80s movies.

Right. And he's best remembered in this movie for having the showdown that you never got to see. Yeah. With a knife. Yeah. so yeah RIP to him he passed away I believe neither earlier this year or last year so

but yeah 10 out of 10 this is has to be top top three Arnold movies yeah how do you write the Arnold movies um just top three

uh this is number three yeah commander wow yeah so you get at least three tens huh yeah Commando is number two. Good one.

And people will probably be mad, but I prefer the original Terminator. Ooh, I can see that. Yeah, that's a good one. I kind of like Terminator 2 more, though, actually. Oh, yeah, that one is rewatchable. Terminator 2 is my number one than the original Terminator. And then this one. I like him better than I do in Commando.

Yeah. I'm going to give it, I'm going to get it at a 9.5, though. I can't quite go 10, but man, it's definitely a classic. Definitely. How iconic is the predator right now, and this was the beginning. Well, you guys are breaking glow sticks left and right, aren't you? No, don't forget the K-Y. Gotta get that stuff.

Oh, shit. That predator's big. I thought I had a good score, guys. But no, I give it a good score, guys. But no, I give it a strong 8. That's a good score. Yeah, it is a good score, man. I had a lot of fun re-watching it.

I actually kind of like the lead-up, like the first two acts more than the final act, the showdown with Arnold and Predator. Although I did really love the way the Predator just started laughing at the end when his little bomb was ticking down. Oh, yeah. Arnold was like, couldn't get out of the way fast enough. That was an evil laugh if I've ever heard one, man.

That was insane. Yeah, strong eight. So we all loved it. Highly recommend it, right? Yep. Yeah, definitely. If you've never seen this, what the fuck are you doing with your life? Oh, I think everybody who's listening has seen this one.

If not, I want to hear from you. I'd be very shocked. But yeah, good pick. Good pick this week. Brian, how in the world did you ever come up with pairing this one with the predator, man? That was a real stretch. It took time. It did.

Sometimes there's subtle differences that you have to really make that connection. A lot of research went into it. But then when you watch them, you're like, oh, I see why they appeared this. Figured it out, huh? That name sounds familiar. Shane Black. Also known for Iron Man 3 and the Nice Guys. Those are some of the more recent stuff.

How about he died in the first one? Yeah, but he was still alive to ride it. I guess he was a ghost. I guess he was a ghost. Get it. All right. Writer, Shane Black, along with Fred Decker. Decker is also known for Night of the Creeps.

And here we go, Brian, several episodes of Star Trek Enterprise. Nice. This film was originally conceived as a reboot of Predator, until Shane Black came aboard and confirmed he would be making a sequel instead as he wanted to continue to explore the predator mythology. And this is, this is interesting. Benicio del Toro was originally supposed to star in the lead role. Oh my gosh.

That would have been a hundred times better. You think? Oh, wow. Don't give it all the way right quite yet, Brian. He was replaced by Boyd Holbrook, who I fucking hated in Logan. He didn't do anything. He's a villain that didn't do anything, and he had a mechanical hand. All right.

So, since you've already given your thoughts, man, you want to go first on this one, too, Brian? Wait, wait, wait. Why is Penicil Datoro not in this? Was he in it? No. He said he was replaced by this guy. It says due to scheduling. Scheduling conflicts.

I have big old air quotes. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead, Brian. I can see where this. This one's going. I can't say I hated this movie, but I'm pretty damn close to hating this movie.

This movie is not what I fucking wanted. Shane Black came on to explore the Predator mythology. Did we fucking really do that in this movie? Because I'm not sure that we did, and I don't see very many connections to the original. I mean, there's one connection I noticed off top from the second one. one. Okay. I enjoyed the look of the predator when it was practical,

but there was so much fucking CGI in this movie. It fucking takes me out so much. The CGI blood, they advertise that we were getting a fucking R-rated, gory predator movie, and it's not the same when everything's digital, because you know it's not real and it doesn't look real. Gonna need some more KY jelly.

Boyd Holbrook. I'm not going to come down on the guy as a bad actor. It's just he's not a leading man. Yeah. Oh, boy. Benicio would have been a hundred times better. Did Boyd's accent change a couple of times in the movie, or was that just my imagination? It probably did.

I don't know. Didn't it go from Midwestern to Twangy Southern Country back to Midwestern? It probably did. I stopped paying attention to anything Boyd Holbrook started saying. I did like the group, though, that he met on the bus, the military soldiers. I did like them. The island of misfit soldiers? Yeah, Thomas Jane.

You got theon Greyjoy, which he probably could have played Theon Grayjoy's part because they were both like snipers. Okay. Oh, yeah. The main dude that he was always talking to that... I was about to give away something. He was fine. Keegan Michael Key was... He was okay.

He was okay. I thought I was going to like him with the jokes and stuff, but it just kind of got a little old. But I liked the group better than I liked him. I would have been okay if he would have just not been there and it would have been the group. Who was that dude with the long hair? What's his name?

The predator. No. The guy in the group. I kind of liked him. He was sort of, he was more of a background character. He wasn't really good. Not Thomas Jane? No.

Guy with a long hair. Yeah, he was like maybe Hispanic and he had, yeah, he was like the religious guy. Yeah. Okay. I thought he was kind of cool. He was funny. Yeah.

I really, another thing, I really like Sterling K. Brown as the villain, because he was, he played the villain a lot different than you would see in movie. He was more, not physical, but just. Menacing. A complete fucking asshole. Yeah, menacing. And I liked his interactions. Like, you thought, you know, he was, he was always the same. Like, even when he got interacted with the, what was the kid's name? Jacob Tremblay, the little boy. Oh, yeah. Even his interactions with him. Didn't pull any punches, did he? No, and I love that. I love he was just the same way throughout the movie. Olivia Munn was okay.

She never blows me away in anything she's in. She's just okay. Yeah, she's pretty vanilla. She's like a fan girl that got famous. She's nice to look at, though. Oh, yeah. Not bad. I'll take Yvonne Strahovsky, though.

The little boy's mom in the movie. Oh, yeah. From Chuck. Oh, okay. She's in Handmaid's Tale, too. She's not the most likable character, but she's still hot. But, did Chuck, man. Ooh, yeah.

I enjoyed watching that. Yeah. Maybe that'll be a show down the line, our top five nerd fantasies, I guess. I don't know. But, yeah, I just, I thought the story was stupid. Yeah. just completely stupid and pointless. And I blame Shane Black.

I don't know what you tried to do here. I really don't. So we'll get more into spoilers, but I'll pass it on to you, Lance. You know what? I wanted so fucking badly to hate this movie. But guess what? I didn't. I didn't hate it.

I really didn't. I thought you were really going to hate this one. No, no, no, no. The story, let's face facts. The story, dude, beat for beat, almost scene for scene remake sections from the first movie, like at the beginning,

where it starts with the starry sky, and then you see the alien spaceship. And I'm like, oh, fuck, this is literally ripping off the first five minutes of predator. And then, of course, somebody, I guess it was, was it Sterling K. Brown's character?

Then one point goes, get to the chopper! You didn't miss that, right? I was okay. I was okay when they threw that in there. Yeah, the little fucking kid was irritating as hell, and I hated him as much as I knew I was going to. You know what?

I think this movie really suffered from bad marketing, because I think if they had marketed it better, and maybe if they downplay the kid a little bit more, it would have been a lot more. I mean, I had fun. I got to admit, I had fun watching it, guys. Maybe it's because there have been so many shitty movies, lately, that it's just like

when you compare it to like what was the what was the slender man, but what was the one we saw a couple weeks ago? Fuck. You know, I've already forgotten about most of them. Yeah, it's going to be a rough.

It's going to be hard to round out the bottom five this year. But yeah, there's been a bunch It's been a rough year. It's been a and I remember I missed that fucking walking dead or what was it? Living Dead. movie or what the hell? Oh, Day of the Dead.

Yeah. I missed that one. I committed to seeing it by the end of the year. It's still in my Netflix queue, but yeah, I mean, obviously it wasn't the best written, but no, I think that they, if they had marketed it a little differently and, like I said, downplayed the kid's role just a little bit,

that first, you guys remember how much I hated the very first trailer for this? Like, what the fuck are they doing? Making this flight of the Navigator Part 2 with like a little fucking kid? you know, being the center of the story. So here's what happened in my theater. I don't know about you guys,

but it was like me, and it was like a fucking full row of kids, like six, seven, eight, nine-year-old kids with their dad or whatever. And then in front of me, it was like three or four little kids and their dad and all this shit. And so we're watching the trailers.

And by the way, I saw some trailers I really enjoyed, too. You guys were talking about, Something you talked about earlier today. I don't remember which one it was, but I wasn't for it at all until I saw the trailer. Oh, Halloween. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was really concerned about Halloween from the first couple of trailers,

but this new one. That's a great trailer, that second one. Yeah. I'm very excited about it, man. But what's that one coming out that's got basically, like, everybody in the world in it? Were they all check into the hotel, and you're not sure? Oh, um,

uh, John Hamm and Dakota Johnson. Bad times at the El Royale. I don't, I don't know if you guys got this. Did you guys get the one where they showed like three little teas, like, 10, 15 second teasers for it? No.

And it led up to the full trailer? No, I didn't get that one. Ah, dude, they showed. Yeah, they showed like four teasers for it where it showed like 15 seconds of footage focusing on one character. Oh. You kind of get a feel for who they're going to be. I think it was John Hamm, Jeff Bridges.

I can't remember the rest, man. But there were like four of them, and they didn't really tie together, but they showed different points of view, and then they showed the full trailer. I'm fucking excited. I didn't get that. I got the fucking Bradley Cooper, Lady Gaga. Oh, that looks terrible.

Oh, my wife's going to drag me to it, too. God. Yeah, my wife. I said it looked kind of good. Oh, and you know what? Movie pass ain't going to work for it, I'm sure. Did you guys see the screenshot I sent you through Messenger? Yeah.

You canceled, huh? Officially. What was the straw? Dude, I checked in the morning, and it showed that I could have checked into any of the predator using my movie pass at any time. So I'm like, cool, I'm in no rush. I'll get to the theater at 5.30 and watch a show.

And I swear to God, showed showings all the way through 8.30 p.m. where I could have pushed the button and gotten the ticket through movie pass. I don't know if they're running out of money by like 9 a.m. every day or what the fuck's going on. But by the time I get to the theater, I pulled it up and all the fucking showtimes were gone for my movie pass app. Fuck you movie pass. Fuck you. That's it, man.

I'm done, man. That's so angry. I got the one-year plan, so I've still got it through November. I may not be able to see another movie I want to see between now and then. Unless I go to a fucking 8 a.m. showing a Mr. Rogers neighborhood or something. Yeah. I'm not going to get in using it anyway, you know? Yeah, no, they're definitely on their way out.

They're completely going bankrupt, I'm sure. Well, you're missing everybody off is what they're doing. And we are not sponsored by Movie Pass. And never will be. But as I was saying, man, so anyway, it's me and a, whole theater full of kids. And it was that, it was a, it was a,

uh, a trailer for a, the Jonah Hill movie that's coming out. I think it's called mid-90s. Oh, oh, yeah. That, that actually looked interesting. It, that looks awesome, dude. That's got, has that got Nez written all over it or what?

With all the fucking skateboarding, skateboarding his life and shit like that. But, um, no, dude, that came on and like about 10 seconds. into the trailer, somebody on the screen said the F word. And so these little kids and they're using the F word. And I kind of looked over and one of the dads was sort of uncomfortably looking at all the kids he brought with him. And I'm like, dude, I love it when these fucking idiots bring little children to an R-rated movie thinking it's going to be a kid's movie.

And then they throw that trailer at them to say, guess what you walked into? They did that before. It was a movie I saw. I can't remember what it was earlier in the year. and they showed that sorry to bother you trailer, like the red band one? I think it was when we reviewed Deadpool 2.

I think you're right, man. There was a couple of red band trailers that they played. Well, you know what? I'm going to get into one tiny spoiler here, but there is a line in the movie that said, what was it, lick your pussy or something like that?

Do you remember this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it was repeated by, Livy of mine, but like really aggressively. Oh, yeah. And I, and dude, I can say that dude over there just shaking. Like, okay, that'll teach you. It's like people don't even look to see what movie is, what the movie's rated anymore.

They see a stupid trailer with a little fucking bratty-ass kid in it, and they assume that it's going to be a kid's movie. I didn't know you could bring them to rated R movies anymore. You know, you know what? apparently so, dude. The whole theater was packed with kids. Oh, there you go. No, I'm with you guys. Yeah, Boyd Holbrook sucks.

He's not a good actor, but I could actually stand him in this. But the rest of the crazy guys, I really kind of enjoyed all the characters, especially Thomas Jane with his Tourette's. And I thought Keegan Michael Key was passable. Yeah. Trevante Rhodes was passable. I really like it.

I really liked Olivia Mining this. I really did. I liked her fucking foul mouth, and I love the way that she kind of kept up with the boys as far as the language and the pussy references and all that. I don't know. I just had fun in the movie. What were you going to say, Brian?

Sorry, man, I went on. I was going to say, it was a minor spoiler, but I did like Tramante Rose as Nebraska. He was Nebraska because his real name is Gaylord. That's right. Yeah. that somebody said that was a pretty good

every once in a while they had a pretty good joke in there he was like yeah good choice I've talked I've talked long enough I had fun I didn't

I didn't think I would and I really did I had a good time I can't not recommend this movie at least to check out you know if you get some time to kill

but I don't want to take all the time what else do you guys want to say about it I'm gonna bring the room back down a little bit man I don't think that this movie was marketed as a comedy.

I didn't know that going into it. Oh, it was a straight up comedy, wasn't it? Yes, it was a straight up comedy. But it was one of those comedies where they bounced jokes off each other the whole time. I expected that, though, because it's Shane Black, though. If you've seen like Kiss Kiss Kiss, Bang, Bang, or The Nice Guys. Right. Oh, yeah.

Well, but I don't know, man. I don't think that's what the Predator really needed. It took all of the tension out of the atmosphere. The Predator wasn't scary at all when he was there. They had some pretty cool action sequences. I thought that they were fun. I thought the Predator effects were okay, guys. I know you said it was way too CGI heavy.

Really just towards the end, I guess we'll get into that. But yeah, I just thought that some of the jokes stuck, but it was like, you know, throwing darts at, a fucking wall. Some of them will stick and some of them don't. Right. A lot of them didn't, man. I thought it was a little bit forced. Kind of like, not quite as bad as like the comedy in Justice League. I had a problem with that one. But sort of on the same page. You know what I mean? It was just, I mean, I don't know, man. It was just comedy through the whole thing. The kid was trying to be funny. Olivia Munn was trying to be funny

the bad guy was trying to be funny every fucking person in this movie was trying to be funny yeah like you gotta have somebody that's serious yeah it was too much it's like the fucking Frenchy guy from the nun is just

it's too much it's yeah like that that same you know Avengers comedy shit that the Avengers do and everybody in the MCU does and it works so well

you cannot apply that same fucking theory to every single movie you know what i mean it's if it hadn't been a predator movie it might it might have been okay but you throw the predator into this one and uh i was i was pretty disappointed tell us how you really feel that's all i have to say about that is that it we're ready for spoilers or no scores you all ready for scores yeah uh i'm gonna go four on ten Ouch. Yeah.

I'm sorry. Oh, no, you go ahead. I'm going to bring it up a little and then you're going to dip it down. No, guys, I actually give it a six and a half. Okay. You know, Philip, me and Philip were saying how we don't know how Nez is going to go with movies. Right.

Yeah. Sometimes I don't know which way you're going to go with movies. Oh, yeah? Yeah, because. Like when I, my wife asked me how was the movie and I told her and like the first thing I said to her was like Lance is going to fucking hate this movie so much. I know. I wanted to. Oh, I wanted to, man.

I wanted to like it, man. I was so excited for this one. And, uh, and, and it just, even three quarters of the way through the movie, I was like, oh, okay. Can we give it a fucking rest now? Uh-oh. Um, uh, uh, but it was. still it was still fun to watch. I think it was worth watching, but it wasn't very good. I'm going to go four and a half.

Not bad. Yeah. I shit on it more than it probably deserves to be shit on, but I think it should have been better. It could have been better, and it just wasn't. Same thing with the none, man. I shit on the none a lot more than it deserved, but it should have been better. Okay. Well, fair enough. I mean, that's what we're here to do, right? is to actually, you know, be, give our true opinion about stuff, right? And leave it up to our listeners if they want to see it or not. Obviously, two of us do not recommend seeing it, and I do.

So, you know, maybe wait till it's on video or something. But fuck it, man. I have to admit, it was more fun than I thought it was going to be. And you know what, quite frankly, I kind of think the comedy part drew me in a little bit. Because I don't know if I was expecting that so much. I thought you'd have Keegan Michael Key being a, you know, a jokester, but for one thing, I didn't even know Thomas Jane was in here until I saw him pop up in the movie. I thought his character was one of the funniest ones, frankly.

I don't mean. It was pretty great. I'm surprised I haven't gotten a lot of backlash from his character. Yeah, they probably will. Upshire. All right. You all ready to jump into spoilers? Yep.

That's a spoiler time. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Let's see.

Yeah, nothing was explained in this movie. You got this rogue predator that I guess he's considered a traitor. He's coming here to bring us something that will help us against the super predators. And he's part human. Oh, yeah. They didn't need the big predator, man. Yeah, they didn't even explain what was the deal with why this one predator, or if it's only one predator that's trying to help us,

why he's trying to help us. Right. It was just, I don't know. It was like they just threw that in there. Yeah, majority of the cast was okay. Theon Grayjoy, he didn't even need to be in this movie. I don't know. what the thing was with his card tricks,

like his sleight of hand didn't really come to play in anything. I forgot that he was even in the movie. I don't remember him doing anything. Yeah, he did a card trick, and then he died. Yeah. That's it.

Jacob Tremblay, the kid is, I swear in every movie he's in, there has to be like something up with him, like some kind of something. Yeah. Oh, maybe that's why they got away with the Tourette's thing because the kid was handicapped and he's towed as, well, not handicapped, he's like Asperger's.

Handicapable, man. Yeah, and so he's, so he, maybe they towed him as the hero so they can kind of make fun of another one while they're at it. Have you, not to interrupt, did you guys hear, I had read in the research I was in over the weekend that Shane Black has Tourette's. Did you guys even know that? Oh, really? Yeah, no shit.

No, that makes you even funnier. Is that why he's always telling them jokes in The First Predator? I guess, man. No, it's true, man. Or at least according to what I was reading up on him. Yeah. The one connection to the movies that I even noticed was even anything to me was Jake Busey. He's the son of his dad's character that was in the Predator 2.

That's who he is. Ah, okay. And other than that, there's, like, no real connection to, you know, Shane Black said all these movies are canon, but I'm like, I couldn't tell, honestly. Right. Yeah, dude, this is not like a, I don't think it has to be like Star Wars, you know what I mean? It's not in the universe and when did it happen? And the rest of the timeline, you know, it was just, this could have been just a standalone movie.

They could have not even talked about Predator one or two, and it would have been exactly the same thing. It kind of seems like it was a reboot. Oh, yeah? Well, no, they mentioned he said, well, this happened before in 87 and 97 and they talked about going back and getting the DNA and all that. So it kind of continued through it. I didn't like that, though. Basically, they were juicing up with DNA.

I always liked them. They're just hunters. Right. So in the original one, now, are they saying? saying that the original one was mixed with a human? Or was that just a plain old predator? Or is the plain old predator

the one that's like fucking 15 feet tall when he comes down? I don't even know anymore. Or is he mixed to something else? No, I think he probably mixed with like a giant or like a larger creature or another planet or something like that. But no, I think that the one that they found, right,

that they had laid down on the table, isn't he the one that was coming to bring the technology? Yeah. So he's the one that was mixed with a human DNA, so maybe his human DNA was telling him, go warn these people, because you're half this type. I know it's fucking stupid as hell.

If he's bringing this technology to help us, why is he fucking murdering everybody? Exactly. I mean, he had the scene when he had It was awesome to watch, man. Because it was fun to look over and see that dad slinking lower and lower, lower in his chair with every gruesome kill.

But he had a defenseless, naked Olivia Munn there. that he doesn't hurt because you know the predator that I've come to know doesn't hurt people that are unarmed because that's not that's not sportsmanlike

right why didn't he just try to communicate with her to let her know that he's here to give them something that's going to help fight against something that worse that's coming he's just trying to fucking murder everybody

and I'm like you keep killing everybody who the fuck are you giving this thing to and that suit thing was stupid at the end. I didn't like that. I was too. I didn't like void Holbrook. You guys are going to get me to lower my skirt. That's my suit.

What about the predator dogs? I kind of liked them, but I didn't. I didn't understand. It got shot in the head, and then all of a sudden it was like a nice predator dog. I know. When you start making a predator dog, a predator kind of adorable, then

we have a problem. Well, why did they keep feeding the dog like explosives and shit, right? I don't know. Here, go get this grenade. Let me just toss it over here. Did I say six and a half? This is a minor thing, but one thing I did like, I like,

we actually got to see the predator actually bite somebody. Oh, yeah. They never use that ever. and they did a place in this movie. Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. They had some pretty good death scenes. Even the predator death scene where his head gets all smashed all over the place. They actually just punches the shit out of its head.

The guts hanging out of the guy in the tree? Yeah, that was good. And then nothing else after that, I guess. But you did notice that the blood was very CGI once it started spurting out. because I was thinking how much better the blood in the fucking 80s movie looked compared to the blood in this one was everywhere. Because it was actual liquid. It wasn't like video pixels. Yeah. Right. And I mean, I hate dogging on CGI in every movie.

I mean, I know we have to have it. And it looks great. You know, it definitely saves on special effects, I'm sure, and makes crazy things possible. But you don't have to use it everywhere. and the last thing I'm going to bring up I did like they brought up how stupid the name Predator is I don't like that I was dumb because in the first one

I felt like he was more like a predator man he had those guys hanging upside down and skin so they would bleed out yeah but that was the first thing he did is hung that dude up by his feet and bled him but he does take the skulls for trophies though well yeah but he was going to eat that guy.

He was there. He was a hunter. Yeah. I mean, I guess. But I like the predator thing, too, you know? Either way. Either way, I mean, they referred to him as a hunter and one line in the original movie, too.

So. Yeah. You know, any way you look at it. I think if they didn't bring Arnold back, they could have brought the girl back from the first one. I don't think anybody would notice. You know what? I don't think anybody wanted to come back, guys. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm going to stick with my six and a half only because I had so much fun. You know, I enjoyed a good comedy with some gore in it, even if it was CGI gore. And I just got so fucking, I just got so tickled watching all the little kids. Parents just sink lower their seats with every fuck and every pussy and every, you know, you dick. And I wish they had made the joke Jesse Ventura made in the...

beginning of the first one when they were in the chopper. I don't know if they can pull that off. I mean, they tried to drop some line like Olivia Mye instead of your one ugly motherfucker, she said, you want beautiful motherfucker. Yeah, I saw that. They did throw a couple of odes to the original in there. The get to the choppers thing to go get the motorcycles. That was pretty funny.

But it was, there was a lot of those moments in it, you know, where they threw a joke out there that was like really, really grown worthy, you know? Well, they're not all going to hit the mark. Yeah. I think that's it. Enough is enough, huh? Yeah.

They even had the kid dropping the F-bomb by the end of it. Oh, yeah, I noticed that. All right, so three strong recommends for Predator, and two, would you guys, guys call them strong stay away from for the predator or what? I wouldn't go to the theater to watch it. Yeah. I didn't have to.

All right. Wait till it comes out. You know, that allows me to gracefully, you know, stick with my six and a half and still be logical and reasonable. I'll agree. Don't go to the theater to see it, you know. And yeah, like you guys said, special effects weren't that great. A lot of CGI and all that. You don't really need to see it on the big screen, but I would definitely, I'd pay $2.99 to rent it or something like that.

Oh, hell yeah. I mean, it was still a fun movie, and the action sequences were cool. Mm-hmm. It just didn't make sense. Is it really worthy of being in the Predator Canon? Probably not. No, not at all. Probably not.

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