The Horror Returns - THR - Ep.# 121: CAGE RAGE! - Drive Angry (2011), Mom And Dad (2017) & Mandy (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

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Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. All right, welcome back, everybody, to the Whole Returns. I'm Lance and with me as you get every week. our great co-hosts here, Philip and Brian. And tonight, we got our buddy from Down Underback, Bede. You will remember him from the Australian horror movie episode that we did. What was that? Only about three months ago or so, right, Bid?

Yeah, actually, I think it was. It was about, yeah, I think roughly about three months ago. These times gone by so quickly since then. Well, how's everything going with you, man? everything's been going great I've been busy with a lot of things over the since that episode I had covered the Melbourne International Film Festival

for both Super Marcy.com and screamcast so that kept me busy and a mixture of work and also a bunch of other stuff as well so I have been quite busy as of late yeah I think we covered that in in our feedback section last week or was it the week before Phil

Oh, you're going to ask me to remember stuff. That's not going to happen here. Sorry, guys. All right, well, there's a reason we asked you to come back on Beat and it has absolutely, believe it or not, it has nothing to do with Australia. What? We understand that you're the world's biggest Nick Cage enthusiast. Oh, yeah.

I would say I'm the world's biggest because there's probably other people out there who's more well-inversed in the film career of Nicholas Cage more than me. But I would say I'm very much a big fan of his, for sure. People who are just as crazy as him. I like to think that I am on occasion. Marcy tells me on quite a few times every time we meet up. So what's the story, man? What got you into a Cage rage, so to speak?

I don't know how I sort of became addicted with Cage. rage, like the full extent of it. But I know, like, you know, like everyone, I was a fan of, you know, Nicholas Cage as an actor, you know, for many years, like, you know, during the 90s and naughties and all that. But it's only really in the last few years where, you know, like his career's kind of gone down a little bit and he's been doing mostly like, you know, straight to DVD or streaming films over the last couple of years, probably since 2010. But it's just, And just throughout that whole, you know, these past eight years, like a lot of the choices as he has made had been really bizarre and just, and then when you kind of see the performances, depending on which film you see, like, you just see him just go completely all out with his cage rage. And, and that's made me even more of a fan. Like, I honestly think, like, some people could say like he's a terrible actor and whatnot. And, and, and that's made me even more of a fan. Like, I honestly think, like, some people could say like, he's a terrible actor and whatnot. not and I can definitely see that but to be honest so I like for me he's just an actor who is

fully committed to his craft and he just goes all out with his performances whether he's actually screaming a yelling or um doing something a bit more subdued like he always commits at 110 capacity a hundred 10 percent but I mean look in comparison to someone like bruce willis recently like he's been his career has kind of gone similar around as well by bearing a lot of. Absolutely, yeah. And, but unlike Nick Cage, like, he pretty much basically shows up for a movie for five minutes. Looks like he's bored out of his mind and just looks like it's like, where's my paycheck?

Can I please leave? Yeah, that's exactly why he's there. Yeah, but when you look at Nick Cage, like, even if he's starring in like some of the worst films, like some of these, some of these, you know, straight the DVD films can be, he still is giving a hundred and ten percent and he's you know and you got to admire the guy for that like he's I mean there's a pretty good reason why he's been sorry a lot of films like that lately because of tax problems and stuff so um but even there but when you find a gem like in between all the sort of all the shit it makes it worthwhile which is like a good reason for the free films

we're talking about tonight because to me those are kind of like the sum up the free like made throughout the past eight years. Okay. In his crazy phase. Exactly. Exactly. And he's fully embraced it as well, which is great. So what would be your like favorite Nicholas Cage movie?

Because I'm having trouble gauging the Nicholas Cage fandom and how big that it's gotten. And I'm like, do they like, you know, con air cage or where do we go with this? Yeah, that's a good. That's a good question. I guess if you ask me what my personal favorite Nick Cage film is, it's actually adaptation. Okay. The 2002 film, which he was nominated for Oscar for Best Actor.

That is, in my opinion, my favorite film of his. But if you are looking for that. Yeah, like, it's a great performance because, you know, that's him at his most subdued. And another one I really like that's made during his recent period is a film called Joe, which is probably, again, one of his most somber and more seduced films. And that was made by David Gordon Groot, who's got the new Halloween movie coming up. So that one is worth checking out. But in terms of actual Cage Rage, I mean, Conair is an absolute classic.

The Rock, Face Off. All three of those films are amazing. And they just always make the perfect, you know, triple action feature because, again, that's kind of, you know, those were the free films that made Nicholas Kemp. into a big massive action star. Yeah. And they're just awesome. Although I do have a soft spot for one role of his in particular,

only because he's only in it for like literally 30 seconds. And that's his cameo in the film Grindhouse where he played Food Manchu. And basically all of his performances like screaming and just laughing maniacally for for 30 seconds. And it's amazing. That sounds about right. I got another question for you. favorite Nick Cage

hairstyle in a movie. Oh, geez. Well, it's hard to say because his hair looks like a bird like in every movie. That's a hard one. I guess like his later period because his hair just looks so weird lately.

I was going to watch at some point today. Yeah, I would have to say probably like when he made Bangkok dangerous, like his hair is just weird. You know his hair is receding. But it's like he's still got the muller going on. I'm like, what the hell are you doing with that hair?

And he used the same hairstyle for Drive Angry, but just dyed it bleach blonde. Which was even more crazy. Exactly, exactly. But actually, I was reading somewhere like in a bit of trivia. Apparently in that movie, he wanted to actually shave his entire head and wanted to tattoo and discover his whole head and tattoos. But the studio was like, yeah, and the filmmakers are like, no, we're not going to be doing that.

See, that's the level of commitment. Oh, yeah. Like, that is the level of commitment Nick Cage will give to a film. Like, if he comes up with choices like that, even if they don't actually happen in the movie. Well, you got to respect it. Oh, yeah, definitely.

All right. Well, listen, you've been on the show before. You kind of know the format here. And since you're our guest, we're going to ask you first, of course. bead other than these what's the coolest thing you've seen this week a sort of rewatch of the whole

Predator series because you know the new film was coming out and I wanted to see that and so I rewatched all the films in prep for it and it's an interesting series when you kind of look at all four films because they all sort of vary from you know different styles and tones and I enjoyed that series quite a bit but other than that I saw the film

searching with John Joe I actually really enjoyed that one a lot. Yeah. And I think it's probably the best use of that. I think the format, what they use to film, it is screen life. That's what they've used with unfriended as well. And I'd say it's probably the best use of that because, you know, from beginning to end, you're just like get caught up with the story.

And it's one that I think a lot of people can relate to, like especially if you're a parent. and where it goes with the story, I was just flabbergasted with all the twist and turns where the, like I kind of had a feeling where the story was going to go for a while, but then it just took a completely different direction. Really? And, yeah.

And John Cho was just really great in it. I really enjoyed his performance a lot. And what else did I watch? Oh yeah, I rewatched the first Halloween last night in prep for the new film next month. And I'm actually going to go, do a rewatch of the entire series because I've been meaning to. And I always keep forgetting just how great of a film the first Halloween is and just how it works with its, you know, simplicity and all that.

And like the way how certain shots and scenes and all that has structured. And I kind of even imagine being like this at one time, this was just going to be a standalone film with the way that it ended. Like that ending was, you know, meant is built for sequels, but at the time, John Carper did. But, you know, John Carper at the time, I think he said that it was always meant to be for the long, a standalone, but then, you know, you got convinced to make a sequel. So, and that's what I've sort of been watching lately. And yeah, I've watched some really good stuff. And those are definitely without the highlights for me, for sure. Brian holds up I'm sure

Huh? Oh my time? Yeah Brian, what'd you check out? Nothing. Nothing? What? Brian, all right.

I don't believe. Unless you want to hear about Gordon Ramsey. I got nothing. I got to nothing. Gordon Ramsey, man, check that out. I watched a couple of things this week. I checked out the new Sicario. movie.

Yeah. What is it called? The Day of the Solidod or something along those lines? I've heard good things. Yeah, that's what it. Yeah. It's pretty great. It's very intense and very real.

They kind of jumped the shark a little at the ending to leave it open for sequels. Oh, no. I think, yeah. I think they planned it to be a trilogy. Okay, that makes sense. But it doesn't ruin the movie. And it's really only. that very, very, very, very, very last scene.

And the rest of it is pretty on point. It's an intense movie, but a good watch. I also checked out the new Mission Impossible movie. Yeah. That was a lot of fun, man. The best Tom Cruise that I've seen in a while. It was almost a throwback to like 90s Tom Cruise. Better than the Mummy?

Uh, yeah, a little bit. Because he was very much that, you know, I'm the good guy. I have to do the right thing. And, uh, you, you don't, you don't really get that in movies anymore. So I thought that was cool. Okay. And it's kind of interesting how the Mission Impossible series just keeps getting better and better with each installment as well. Yeah.

This is definitely the best one that I've seen in a long time. Yeah. And what's even more shocking to me is like Tom Cruise is almost. almost as old as John Voigt was when he was in the first mission impossible film. So that's kind of freaking me out, to be honest. Still doing all those stunts, man. Yeah, I don't know. Oh, no.

Whatever he's doing, it's definitely working, that's for sure, because he looks at least 15 years younger than he does in real life. Yeah. Oh, and one more cool of the week. Yeah. I'm going to give a plug to our new Western show. Is it called Saddle Up, Lance? Saddle up, baby.

Yehaw. Saddle up. We watched Bone Tomahawk for that one. Oh, yeah. That is one of my new all-time favorite movies. I'd seen it before, but on second watch, man, I loved it. I made my wife sit down with me and watch it this morning, actually. Oh, cool.

And it was great again, 10 out of 10. Go watch it. Nice. Yeah, my cool of the week, guys, is going to be. going to be two episodes have come out so far and brian you're going to you're going to kill me and some of the other listeners other than stephen loblad are going to kill me but um american horror story apocalypse have you guys gotten into this yet yeah are you back in dude i i've been in the whole time man i've been in the whole time i hate for me they hit a complete low note with uh with roanoke

okay i actually enjoyed uh last season um But this one so far looks like it's going to be more like the first three or four seasons. Okay. If it holds up. But I just, I like what they're doing. Anybody else seen it? First two? I'm like way, way, way behind on American Horror.

I'm still watching episodes from the first episode. Like, I even rewatched the first one, like the first episode, the other day. And it's like, watching it's like, it's enjoyable, but it's like, this pilot is a mess. It is all over the place. Right. Like literally it's like they throw the kitchen sink and as well as a bunch of other kitchen sinks in that in that pilot. But I know for a fact because I did watch the first few episodes of the first season a while back, but I just never got around to finish here because I've been so busy.

But I knew it gets better after that pilot. So I'm definitely looking forward to watching getting around to watching the whole series, particularly the first and thirds, like I can watch Apocalypse, since they're both tied together. Yeah, well, they say they are, but I'm two episodes in, and I haven't really seen anything call back to those, to those seasons yet, so. Yeah, and I hear it's going to be a short season. Like, I don't know if it's, it's neither going to be eight or ten episodes. I'm fine with that.

I noticed the new, thank God, Iron Fist, Season 2 is only 10. Yeah. Dude, I'm done. Sign me to fuck out. I've heard a lot of good things. First episode was pretty slow, man I don't know I heard they fixed the fight choreography

But I don't know if it's because he has a mask now And it clearly might be somebody else doing it But I'll bet you're right That'll fix it Maybe take that white guy out of there I mean how cheesy can you get man They put a

They put a mask on him when he fights Because it's a different actor doing it come on. Well, they do that for Daredevil a lot. Like, I mean, Charlie Cox does a lot of fight choreography in Daredevil, but for all the more advanced stuff, they do get somebody else to do those, like, you know, jumps and kick, big massive kicks and all that type of stuff.

But I'm kind of curious now, because I mean, I haven't gotten to Iron Fis Season 2 yet because I'm sort of going through season 2 of Jessica Jones at the moment. But I'm sorry. I'm actually enjoying it so far, but that's just me. But to be fair, I'm only three episodes in, so that could change in time. But I was going to say, I wonder if Devil's season free will be like 10 episodes as well. Yeah, we're getting that, what, October?

Yeah, I'll be curious to see if this was only just for Iron Fist, or will they do that for all the Marvel Netflix shows from now on? Because I know that's the chief complaint is that there's too many episodes. Yeah, yeah, they drag them out quite a bit. Yeah, and I can agree. Yeah, it's something I agree with because I think, like, if you eliminate a couple episodes, the pacing would be a lot better. Yeah, I agree 100%, man. And I love Daredevil, but, yeah, it got so long in there.

There were just so much dialogue that was completely unnecessary. It's a good way to put it. Yeah. Yeah, I think that would be a big improvement. if they take those down to 10. But oh man, but I guess I will since we brought it up. But here we are. Let me ask you a question, Bede.

In your opinion, or I mean from what you were told and what you've read and what you understand, are these TV shows in the same universe as the Marvel movie universe? Yes or no? Yes. But the problem is, though, and this is kind of a, big sort of issue I've been having with, you know, the Marvel cinematic universe lately is like the TVs are very much all, like every single one of them, not just the Netflix shows, but Agents of Shield, Cloak and Dagger, runaways. They're all set in that same universe,

but the main problem is there's kind of a disconnect between Marvel, you know, the Marvel film section and the TV section because they're both controlled by different people. But, But, and like, because I know Figey's more in charge of the film side and Jeff Lowe's more in charge of this TV side. Okay. But I think, yeah, so it's kind of like, I think Jeff Lowe really would like it as much as, you know, the TV characters appearing in the films. But Fagie seems that while you talk about, yeah, we might get around at some point, but it's clear that he probably doesn't really have that much interest. and that I think mainly because maybe because he doesn't have as, you know, control of the TV section as he is with the movie side.

But although interesting enough though, because I think in the news recently they're thinking the new Disney streaming channel that they're doing, that they're going to be doing like mini seasons of some characters from the MCU like Loki and Scarlet Witch. And that's actually going to be five years. actually himself is going to be personally involved with those seasons. So I don't know, it's kind of a bit of a cluster fuck in a lot of ways because I would love it if like, I would love it if like, you know, you know, the defenders would appear in Avengers or even characters from the movies.

Me too, man. So, so disappointed that that hasn't happened. And so this show, which is going on right now, if it's in real time, you mean to tell me no, none of the characters from the first season of Iron Fist, disappeared or faded out when Thanos waved his hand? I don't know. It's hard to say. It depends on when it takes place, though. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I guess. I don't know. It bothers me. Somebody brought that up on the binge cast.

And ever since they brought that up, I'm like, wait a minute. Holy fuck, if these are set in the same universe, why didn't have the fucking people disappear? Yeah, I think it's just based on when it takes place. Because from what I'm hearing, the next Spider-Man is going to take place. before Infinity War Oh! Hmm

Okay, well I might just give up on all of them then at this point If they fix the snap With time travel Which I think that they have to Then none of this ever happened anyways Oh boy

I guess we'll just Like Ryan said I think it's just when they're set Because I think there are a bunch of videos Out on YouTube at the moment That actually go into detail When the timeline all while with both the movie and the TV worlds.

So I'll be curious to see like where, like, you know, Luke Jones, I'm sorry, Luke Cage and Iron Fis season two. Luke Jones, what? I know. I've fucked up that title. Like where Luke Cage and Iron Fis, you know, both those season twos and, you know, Daredevil season three, where they are in the timeline. I'm just going to assume that they're probably before Infinity.

War? That's what I'm going to go with at the moment. Until otherwise. Most of me doesn't care. I don't want the TV shows in there to mess up my Marvel timeline because the TV shows have not been as excellent as the movies so far. So I don't mind them staying the fuck out of it. Yeah, and I'm actually watching all the TV shows because it's like in for a penny, in for a pound. I mean, you guys know how I am with The Walking Dead, you know? yeah unfortunately like keep on

hateing it and keep on watching it you know what Brian do you have any news to talk about on the Walking Dead tonight just one little thing man from what I hear I wanted your opinion so I don't know if it's the same thing we're talking about I just want to get into news

like yeah let's go for it walking Dead is the fucking Simpsons or the Saturday Night Live of AMC it'll never end ever never part of me is okay with that part of me says they should end it great if they did but it ain't gonna happen man it's that's their fucking bread and butter well other i mean i'm still behind on walking dead but i mean in terms of like yeah but i'm sort of thinking though when i've heard

that news is like are they specifically only talking about the main series or were they talking about, you know, multiple different, like, spinoffs, like, fear of the Walking Dead or something like that. My understanding is that there could be as many as five or six spinoff shows in the next two years, mead. Oh, okay. But maybe that's probably what they're running all. Run them all for 10 fucking years.

That's what I'm hearing. All you're going to see when you turn to AMC is the Walking Dead. It's going to be like the Kardashians on E. Oh, shit. Well, that means, if that's true, then AMC will just have to change their network name to TWD, the Walking Dead Channel. That's a good idea. That's not a bad idea.

Well, I mean, they're probably keeping in like with what Robert Kirpman wanted with that whole series because I think, because I was reading the books for a while as well. And I think Kurtman was saying something like he wanted to make a zombie series that literally would never end, like it would just keep going. and going and going. Maybe that's just, that's what they think like. Well, if Kurtman wants it, we'll give him what he wants. We'll do it in the TV world.

Mission accomplished, right? Exactly. Continuing on with the TV news, Lance, you asked about Jordan Peels. Is he still involved with the Twilight Zone reboot? He is still producing, and now he is also going to be hosting and narrating the show. Ah, he is the Rod Serling of our era, huh? Yes. Let's see. John Carpenter and Shutter are working on a Prince of Darkness series.

I'd be down for that. Yeah. I mean, I really enjoy Prince of Darkness. And there's a lot of stuff in that film that you could easily spit off into a TV series. Like, there's a lot of potential there. Let's see. Robert England is returning as Freddie Kruger for episode of the Goldbergs. He's putting the makeup on one more time. For an episode of the Goldbergs, huh? Yes. All right. Why not?

I believe the episode, Adam, goes to watch the movie and is so frightened that Freddie visits him in his dreams. That would be awesome. I've never seen the Goldbergs, but I'll probably watch just for that episode alone, because that sounds amazing. I've heard it's pretty great. It is. You'll have a lot of 80s nostalgia.

It's because it's not set in any particular year, because a lot of people have mentioned, you know, well, he's wearing these shoes and watching this movie and they didn't come out in the same year. It's just kind of like a mismash of 80s nostalgia. It's great. And the costume designer said, that's right. Fuck you, too. Okay. I sent you guys a couple of photos to check out that we're going to talk about.

The first one is the Joaquin Phoenix in full Joker makeup, I guess. what did you guys think looked like a joke to me I actually really like it what I really like about the makeup design is that it's it's simple like there's a simplicity to that makeup like it's not like you know what we've seen with

you know Heath Ledger or Jack Nicholson or Jared Lotto like it's the makeup but there's also that done a bit more to the makeup you know like giving him scars and stuff like that it's just like literally looks like, you know, face paint that you would see at a clown at a kids party. And that's, and to me it works because it actually makes it even more kind of unnerving, especially in that short little video that they put online that was a camera test for with the makeup. And it just, like him laughing then all of a sudden just going in this stern look, just looks very eerie to be.

I haven't seen that. Yeah, well, yeah, it's like. It's like. a camera test. It's like has this song over. I can't remember what song it was. It's like this really kind of sort of 70s kind of feel good song. And then it's just him, like Joaquin Phoenix in normal, looking normal, like him laughing and stuff. And then it just has this sort of kind of subliminal kind of video of him as the Joker like over him and his normal form. And then it just ends with him with the makeup. And it's just, yeah, it's kind of has this eerieness to it. That just, looks kind of creepy and if anything that's really sold me on the film very much. Do you think this is, do you think this is going to be the final look?

It already is because they just posted up on, you know, the photos you said are from the set. So from the looks at it, it might even be the final makeup. Like maybe there might be different forms, maybe at the movie, but, but I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the final look of it. I think that this is going to be like his maybe origin makeup. And then by the end of the movie, something's going to happen to his face, I imagine. I don't know.

I like the stuff that they've put out so far. This was a little bit of a surprise to me. I expected it to maybe be a little scarier, but I'm okay with it. I think that with Joaquin Phoenix in it, they're going to take probably a little bit more of an art house approach and make it a little more horror, but still mainstream enough to be entertaining. I still have high hopes for this movie.

Yeah, they have... Go ahead. I was going to feel like this could be like a big surprise when it comes out because it's not really a superhero film. It's more almost like a crime film or horror film. And the fact that it's just mainly his... origin story could be and from what to hear it's more of a psychological

character study as well he looks he looks awfully old for a for an origin story bead well that's what the movie is it's the Joker origin story okay yeah wow so okay well I'll see

we'll see I think they'll pull it off I hope they go more horror and less superhero they got a lot of time to work on it they got a release date of October 4th, 2019. Maybe in time for Halloween. So,

next year, yeah. By then he'll really look old, huh? And one more photo we're going to talk about, which got a lot of reaction in our Facebook group was the photo of the new Chuckie doll. No, don't it, Brian.

What are your guys' opinion? Heresy. Is it heresy? Are you serious? Lance, I really, I know you're a big Childs Play fan, so I wanted to really get your reaction to this. I was watching Bright of Chucky just four hours ago. I'm a huge Childs Play fan, and this is a fuck, this is heresy, man.

What in the hell are they trying to do? Is it computer animated or, I mean, like, is it part of, didn't somebody give us some feedback that it looked like it was out of Toy Story? I couldn't agree more. Maybe that's what makes it even more. me? I mean, he's supposed to say friend of the end, not you got a friend in me, right, Bede? Well, um, here's my whole, like I've known everyone's sort of talking about this photo in the past 24 hours. So I'll say this. I'm not against the idea of a child's play remake. I'll just state that,

but the only thing that, and I mean, I will see this when it comes out just, you know, for my own opinion on it. But the only thing, yeah, but I guess the only thing that I, I guess the only thing that I find off about this remake is that they didn't really consult, you know, the creator Don Mancini on it at all. And he's been, yeah, like they just went and remake, just gone to remake while at the same time, you know, he's still creating all the Chucky films. And I know he was actually, I can't remember if this was back in when, um, curse came out, but Mancini Diddy was actually said he was open to the idea of remaking

child's play at some point, but, you know, on his terms, I think. And, but yeah, it just seems like they just went ahead, like MGM just went ahead and did it just without his blessing, really, or at least not involving him. So, I mean, I mean, at least I will say this, they're taking somewhat of a different approach by making it more of an AI robot than a supernatural being. But, I mean, I'll rather just wait and see how, I mean, well, is it potentially going to suck maybe but I'm just going to wait and see I mean if Audrey Plaza's in it I will I will watch it

so I believe she is confirmed to be in it and also Brian Tyree Henry from Atlanta and the new Andy Barclay which I'm not even sure if he's going to be Andy Barclay but he's going to be the kid in it Gabriel Bateman and the only thing I recognize him from he was the kid in Lights Out

Oh yeah that's right Maybe he'll come to Frightmare and we can ask him for a soundbite and he'll say, sure. Will you buy all my fucking autographs if I give you a sound bite? Oh. No, but we won't give you free advertising either. Thanks. Bye. I think doing it just on principle without Mancini's permission is a little fucked up regardless

of what sort of legal rights you have in this situation. Just as a general rule, that seems messed up. But I'm kind of not mad at the redesign, and if they're going to make it more of an AI thing, I think that that sounds kind of cool. Maybe just don't attach the Chucky name to it, you know? Too light, right? Yeah.

Or they could have just, yeah, this isn't even just get Man-Sadis permission. I mean, like, what can I use an example? Like the puppet master movies, like, you know, like the new one that's out now. Oh, yeah. That's its whole. Oh, yeah. I still haven't seen it yet, but I know that's its own little off franchise, like its own little thing compared to the Charles Bram one.

But at least they consulted Charles Brann and got permission from him to do this kind of, you know, separate series while he's still making his own series. So if they did something like that with Don Manty, I think it would have had a better taste in the mouth, but yeah, it does seem a little off that, you know, they didn't consult Mancini about it. Yeah. Fun fact, Bone Tomahawk and Littleest Reich are the same director, and he is awesome and everything that he's done so far. Definitely the same writer. I don't know.

Did he direct Little Strike? Yeah, I think he wrote and direct. He did the Little Strike, he did Bone Tomahawk, and he did Brawl and Cell Block 99. All right. Some good stuff. Yeah, very good stuff. he's my new favorite guy and i guess we'll end on a high note that's uh all the news all right all right bead you know where we're going right down to the trailer park

i'm gonna talk about marvel's next movie captain marvel starring brie larsen sam jackson jude law lee pace ben mendelson which i didn't even know he was in this movie uh de mann hanjou annette benning and clark making his return as Agent Colson. Wow, okay. You guys go ahead. I didn't see this one. I'll be right back.

Or Captain Marvel, our as it, should also know, also should be known as the movie where Brie Larson beats the shit out of an old lady. Yes. You've got to have that piece. Yeah, I'm like flabbergasted by all the, like, opinion pieces that have been going on. It's like, why is she punching it on? Well, if you know the comics, she's probably. Probably a scroll, people. Yeah.

The movie, calm down. This movie's got me excited for what it could set up after Avengers 4. Because, like you mentioned, the scrolls. The scrolls are basically shapeshifters. They can imitate people. And then you can get into the whole, like, possibly your favorite Marvel characters are not really who they are. They could be a scroll this whole time. Oh

Yeah, that sounds very interesting. Yeah, I like it. I'm pretty excited because it looks like they're sticking Samuel O'Jackson and more of a lead role in this one. Yeah. And anything that he's in, sign me up for. I really like Bree Larson. Marvel hasn't done really anything wrong lately

aside from the TV shit. So, yeah, I'm definitely excited about this one. Plus, it gets us that much closer to Infinity War Part 2. You got Lee Pace returning as Ronan. If you guys remember, he was the villain in the first Guardians movie. He was a cool villain. I was hoping to see him again. Yeah, I'm all down.

I'm looking at the directors, Anna Bowden and Ryan flick. They did a lot of TV. Room 104 Billions, which is a showtime show and the affair. Right. So, a lot of TV, so very interested to see what they can do with this,

but a lot of directors Marvel has picked up, have not really done a whole lot, and, in my opinion, been doing really good. Well, we'll see what happens. March 8th, 2019, so not that far away.

Our next two trailers are going to be Netflix releases. The first one is Apostle. This is starring Dan Stevens, who we've talked about him a lot on the show. What does this guy not in lately? He's the he's from one of the Marvel shows, right? Legion. Legion. Yes. I like him.

And he was in the guest that we reviewed not too long ago. Yes. Yeah, I like that guy. This is also starring Christine Forsyth and Michael Sheen. This is directed by Gareth Evans. He is the director of the Raid movies. Okay. Hells yeah. What did you guys?

What did you guys think of this one? Looks pretty good. Yeah. I mean, it's Gareth Evans. I will watch anything the man makes. And from the looks at it, it almost kind of looks like in some ways kind of an expansion of his segment from VHS2, Safe Haven, which also dealt with. for cult as well.

And from what I hear, because that movie, I think, premiered yesterday at Fantastic Fest, and it's getting nothing but raves. And people say that the last half is like basically safe haven on acid pretty much, from what I've heard. I'm in. I'm fucking in. We got, we have a October 12th release on Netflix. I kind of got a wicker man.

feel did you guys yeah yeah a little bit a little bit but from a Christian perspective rather than pagan but yeah it looks it looks awesome yeah I got that vibe as well and also the devils as well at least during the more crazier parts of the of the trailer so the devils what is that made oh it's a film that came out in the 70s that was directed by ken Russell it had Oliver Reed Vanessa Redgrave and it's a film that's basically been banned for, like it is in some parts of the world still on DVD, but it's really hard to track because it's so,

because it's, deals with, you know, the church and everything. And it's sort of insane, like literally insane and at times very blasphemous to the point that, like it got banned in a lot of parts of the world. And for even,

yeah, like the whole story behind it is interesting. Like I said, it's just, like I've seen. the movie and there's actually two versions. Like there's a shorter version, which is the one I think that's on DVD. And there's the sort of hard to track down version, which is the longer one, which has

scenes that are even more bat-shin insane. How have we not reviewed this for the podcast, guys? I think you should review that with a puzzle. That's how I'm just going to say. Oh my God. I'm looking at it right now, 1971, right? Yeah. And yeah, it's basically, yeah, it's never had a proper release.

Brian? Try to work it in the schedule. How do we get our hands on it, though? I'll do some digging. It might be. If you know, yeah, if you know where to look, you'll be able to find it. I know it's on DVDs some places, but yeah, I mean, if you know which circles to check in, it's not that hard to find.

Vanessa Redgrave, huh? Yeah. Oliver Reed? Yeah, there's like a. It'll be interesting which version you guys watch because there's a The longer version actually has Vanessa Redgrave who plays a hunchback nun Wow Yeah and she has

I don't know if this is much of a spoiler but she has does something with someone's with a bone That's all I'm going to say Oh One time at band camp But that's in the longer version not the short one bone or a trombone but yeah it's a it's a pretty um insane film so you guys got to watch it it's awesome it's really great i imagine nuns nuns do things with bones more often than we expect i just hope i just hope that our that our uh our editor brian is taking notes man

i i'm taking notes right now so and moving on to our final trailer, which is a new Netflix horror series, The Haunting of Hill House. This is starring McKenna Grace, Carla Gugino, Timothy Hutton, Henry Thomas, and Phillips' all-time favorite child actor,

Lulu Wilson. Oh, is that the chick from the Ouija? Yes. Nah, God damn it. I'm out. I'm out. Directed by Mike Flanagan. I didn't like the idea of this from the beginning. And the trailer looks like, shit.

But you liked everything we've seen of Mike Flanagan, though. That is true. He is the director. Can I stick with this for 10 episodes, though? I mean, how drawn out can we get this story? It looks pretty interesting to me, man. I'll definitely give it a shot. It looks like, so it's a series.

Yes, and 10 episodes. It looks like legit horror, man. Yeah, and it's like Mike Flanagan, who, I mean, I would put him alongside James One as probably one of the best horror directors working today. I've liked pretty much nearly everything he's put out. And the trailer of this just looks atmospheric. It looks creepy. And I mean, I haven't read the book.

I mean, I've seen, you know, the original film and also the 1999 remake with Owen Wilson. Which was terrible. So I'm kind of curious. Although this movie needs more, this series needs more Owen Wilson. I'm just saying that. I was wondering if it was the same. thing. But I'm curious to see how they expand on the story.

I assume they'll probably, you know, expand on backgrounds of characters while at the same time. Because it looks like they might be or maybe even adding a character. I mean, I'm just basing this on the two original films that I've seen, not the book. So I'm kind of curious. I mean, I'm definitely going to watch it for sure. I mean, I don't know if, I guess, I don't know, like you guys said, I don't know if they

can do this as a whole full-on. multiple season series. I could see this working more as a limited mini-series or something. And I wouldn't be surprised maybe that's what they're going for, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Yeah. It gave me goosebumps a little bit. Yeah. I'm Mike Flanagan's got my trust, and I'm a fan of Carla Vagenao, so I'm in. Brian, you know as well as I do that I'll watch every episode. Yeah, we know. I don't know. It's just there's so much fucking TV on right. now.

Yeah. There's so much TV. And this is premiering same day as Apostle, October 12th. Right around the corner, a couple of weeks. And that is the final trailer.

All right. That's the trailers, Phil. What do we got, man? Well, Tim Davis says, Hey, guys, first time caller here. Just want to put my thoughts into your Predator episode. I agree with Brian and Phillips thoughts

that the new on the new predator film such a disappointment but Lance I can see how someone would enjoy this film as well for the original predator film this was a perfect 10 on 10 and anyone who disagrees has mental problems I can see that anyways love the show

I get excited each week and new episode is put out keep up the good work wow man thank you we've had a lot of really cool feedback lately guys thank you and let's see we've got a friend of the show screenwriter

that's right screenwriter friend of the show you heard that Seth M. Sherwood most first world problem ever the premier screening slash parties for Hellfest and Light as a Feather are on the same night

oh oh big night for Seth yeah and we will be featuring an interview you with Seth in a few weeks when we cover Hell Fest. That's actually next week, right? Yep. Oh, it is.

Fucking excited for that movie. Me too. I hope it's good, Seth. Because we're going to be honest, man. Yeah. Yeah, and I've been honest with some guys before when maybe that was the right time. And you notice that particular guy didn't come back on the show, Phil. I did notice.

Whoops. At the last minute he disappeared. It was an accident It was funny though I don't know I didn't know he was I didn't know he was on the thread And I was like man how do I tell this guy That the acting was terrible

Mead have you been there before I have That's why I've made a conscious decision Never to review Friends films That they've worked on Because unless it's a movie I really like I'll support it And if they ask me what I've thought of it

I'll be like I'll just stay quiet on it or just like, it's all right. So I basically made it, I actually remember a friend of mine, I asked me to review a friend's film, like a friend of his film, and I watched it and I thought it was awful. And he asked me, I thought, oh, it was, I have to be honest, it's really bad. He said, what?

You like, you like, no, I'm not going to review this movie. It's not a so bad, it's bad. It's not Swamp thing. It's something different. It's like, it's so bad that I wanted to bang my head against the table. Oh, wow. Yeah, but so bad you want to keep watching it, that's different. Yeah.

But luckily, I, but luckily my friend was understanding. So I was like, yeah, that's the thing. Since then, I've made a conscious decision, friends, films or anything like that. Only if it's a film I actually really like. But then again, yeah, I could be accused for bias. So, yeah, it's. It's a tricky slope to go on for sure. Slippery slope, eh?

Yeah. Here's hoping for Hellfest you at least sold a few tickets. We're definitely excited to see it. I know that because it looks damn good from... I'll tell you what, if nothing else, the trailer kicks ass. So we still see you next week. I'm looking forward to it as well, but so far it doesn't have an Australian release date yet, but I'm hoping that it'll be really soon.

I'm surprised it hasn't been time for Halloween, because it'd be the perfect Halloween film. Yeah, I would think so, yeah. And our next thing goes back to the haunting of Hillhouse trailer. Darren Wilson says, Rad. We're doing the book and the original movie on VD Clinic podcast next month. Okay. Can't wait to check that out.

Any of you guys heard of that podcast, the VD Clinic? Yes. It's a badass name for a podcast. I just like did he use the word rad. That should be in vernacular a little more often. Brian created an online poll in the group. It says with American Horror Story, Apocalypse starting up. Season is the best so far.

Coven is taking the lead, followed by Asylum and Murder House. Coven's good. Asylum's better, but Coven's good. I still haven't seen Coven. I got into a point on American Horror Story where when I tried to turn on Coven, there was always a child in the room, and they were freaked the fuck out by it,

so I couldn't watch that one. Okay. But I'm definitely going to check it out, especially with this new season. Let's see. Regarding the poster for Drive Angry, Samantha Bean says, put red hair on her,

and this could be a poster of Jim driving us away, from an Army mandatory fun function. Oh, yes. You're familiar with that one, Brian? No. Any idea with that you're talking about? I believe. Jim is her husband, so he's in a military, so I think it was a...

There's a lot of mandatory fun shit in the Army. Bring your family, you have to be here. I thought for a minute she was talking about the Weird Al-Yankovic album, Mandatory. fun. I was way off. Okay. Thanks for, thanks for straightening me out, guys.

Well, Samantha Bean, if you look anything like her, congratulations. Jesus Christ. Lisa Cole says, Unsane, made me question all reality.

I'm glad Foy won. It was one of those thoughtful thrillers. Took me back to repulsion. What is repulsion? Read? Oh, that's a Roman Polansky film that he made back in the early 60s before.

Rosemary. Yeah, and it's actually a really great psychological thriller about a horror film about a woman who's like suffering mental illness who cuts herself off from everyone and just lives inside her apartment and just basically it's her descent into madness. And it's actually a really fantastic film that you guys definitely need to check out. It is supposed. Man, we should have reviewed that instead of, what was it? The Jennifer movie that we reviewed with that. Oh, Lord, that was bad. Oh, no.

Oh, no. Okay, yeah, who's watching Jennifer or Body by Jennifer? Is it two Jennifer? Jesus. To Jennifer, yeah, that's what it was. That may be the worst movie. See, if you guys just came to me, I couldn't have given you all these, like, good comparisons for these films. Yeah, but God damn it, B, we didn't come to you, man.

That's fucking, Brian. Unsane was great. I was doing the iPhone connection thing. Yeah. So they were both filmed on an iPhone. Unsame. That's right. That's right connection.

I think in our, what, this is episode 121, that has to be the worst movie I've ever watched. Yes, bad. Me too, dude. It was terrible. Beat, I'll bet you you've never seen it. I know of it, but I haven't seen it, though. Although, I've seen quite a few terrible movies in my time because, you know, awful movies are my bread and butter at the moment. So I'm curious just to see if it's as bad as you guys said.

It is. It is. Aren't you the terrible Aussie? Yeah, totally. That's why I watch the movie. I'm the guy who watches all the films that nobody else on Earth should be watching. See, yeah. And when you were talking about some films that are, you know, they're so bad that you want to keep watching them and see, you know, the train wreck happen. This is this is not one of those.

This is so bad that you want to stop watching it immediately. Yeah. That's a challenge I am willing to accept for sure. Unsane, however, filmed on an iPhone. Oh, man. Fantastic fucking movie. Yeah, that was a great beat. Top five for me.

at the end of the year. Spoiler alert, that's when we do our end of year, I know Unseen is going to be on there. And regarding the possible killer clowns reboot, she says, this is Lisa Cole again, I'm torn, I'm trying to be positive, but there's been so many screw-ups with other remakes and reboots of other horror films like Elm Street and Friday the 13th

and things like that. Not the same. Not the same. Those are meant to be taken seriously. This is the fucking killer. clowns. They're not going to fuck this up. I can't wait to see a TV show, other movies, anything featuring the killer clowns.

I think Nick Cage should be in it. Yes. If Nick Cage was in, he would want to play one of the killer clowns, just like. Yeah, but then they'd have to go just makeup. You can't, like, put a mask on Nick Cage. Yeah, he'd have to wear his own makeup, for sure. And he would

highly approve of all of this. All right, Gene Turner posted a link of his review of California. Not horror, but at least one brutal kill. In my opinion, Brad Pitt's best performance. Wow. Yep, I would agree. Yeah, great performance. I don't know that I've seen it.

I really liked Brad Pitt's performance in true romance. Had you had to see that. The Schwarzenegger movie? Brian, Philip, Philips in, man. True romance with Christian Slater and... Oh. Is it Patricia Arquette? Yes.

Yeah, but, yeah. Yes. Oh, you haven't seen a film? What am I thinking of? I kind of don't want to spoil it. Yeah, you're thinking true lies. That's probably... True lies.

Okay, I'm bad. Well, fuck me, then. Although Arnold Schwarzenegger and true romance does have like a brilliant idea. Yeah, I kind of don't. want to spoil Brad Pitt. Philip, I think you have movie homework. I know, man. All right, I got to go check it out. I predict that'll be your cool of the week next week.

True romance or California? True romance. Okay, I'll watch that one. The scene in the car when he notices that the woman seeing him having sex is really creepy, just a look on his face. Well, sign me up for that one, too. Yeah, that's amazing, man. Regarding Joe Bob at Texas Frightmare.

Nick Fortuna, I watch this show religiously. Glad to see he's getting a nice salute. Yep. Awesome. Served. And that is all for feedback this week. Thanks to everybody who reaches out to us. We love you.

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We've got a new design. We're getting imprinted. It's a whole, it's a whole thing, okay? We experienced, who wrote this shit? Brian, did you win this, dude? It wasn't me. We experienced cage rage. Cage rage.

Yeah. It's on Sunday, Sunday. It's pronounced cage rage, just saying. That was not bad. All right. So we're going to do Drive Angry, Mom and Dad, and Mandy. And we'll start with Drive Angry from 2011. Director Patrick Lucier, also known for Dracula.

Oh, God. Dracula 2000. I saw that in the theater with Gerard Butler. Have you guys seen this one? Oh, that one. I've seen that movie multiple times, probably more than any other person should. And I guess Lucille directed several episodes of Scream the TV series, which I've never seen. Writers were Patrick Lucille, along with Todd Farmer.

He's actually kind of a household name and horror. He was known for Jason X and the remake of My Bloody Valentine. The name of Nicholas Cage's... Oh, we're going to get deep here, Bede. Real deep. Oh, yeah. Yeah. name of Cage's character is John Milton.

This is likely, likely, I would say it's definitely a reference to Paradise Lost, which was written by John Milton. All right, well, two plus two does equal four, last time I checked. And another piece of trivia, the coin that the accountant uses throughout the movie is an obelous from ancient Greece. In those days, obelos were placed in a dead man's hand. by mourners as payment to Sharon the Fairy Man. I probably didn't pronounce that about like I can pronounce.

Bid Germine, Germaine, Germine. Bid, help me again, dude. How do you pronounce your name? Jermine. Jermine. I've got it. I'll never forget it again. All right, Germine.

Until the next episode, just so. Pete, just think of it this way, man. Germine, okay? Germine. Jermine. Yep. You ain't nobody else is Jemine. All right?

Exactly. Never forget it again, dude. All right, so anyway, the ferryman was in charge of crossing souls over the river sticks into Hades. And of course, this would support the accountant's role as a retriever of lost souls. So, Bid, since you're our guest, if you wish, would you like to go first and talk about this one? Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. where to start with Drive Angry

Well I'm just going to put it out there I think this film is an absolute blast From beginning to dance Like it is a film that knows exactly what it is It goes for that sort of exploitation vibe And you can tell that everyone Not just the filmmakers but the cast are all in on it They know exactly what film it is

It's over the top It's cartoonish But man is it a lot of fun Like, you can tell everyone is having a great time making this film. And I would say out of all the films of Patrick Lucia has made, this is definitely my favorite of his, because it's, like I said, it's just an absolute blast. And Nick Cage, like, surprisingly when I rewatched the film again recently, I forgot how, like, really subdued he is actually in the film. But it actually kind of works in the context of what the film is about. Because, you know, at the end of the day, his character is on a trial of revenge to get his granddaughter back from, you know, the satanist that murdered his own daughter.

So that, in that regard, you know, there's a seriousness there. But it actually kind of works in contrast to the absolute craziness that's going on around him. Like, everyone is just over the top. Like, Billy Burke is just, there's just chewing the scenery as the villain. and Amber Hurd. I'm not the biggest Amber Hurd fan, but I do love her in this film. I think her character of Piper is awesome,

and she's a great... She fit right in. Yeah, like it's just a film that, like I said, just knows exactly what it is. It's over-the-top exploitive fun, and it also has William Fickner, who, as the accountant, who just steals the entire movie.

And, like, it's just fun. Like, it's just, it knows exactly what it is, and it provides absolute exploitative fun. Good way to put it. What did you think, Brian? Oh, I love this movie. The only thing I'm mad about is I've never seen this movie in the theater, and it looks like it would have been a blast to watch this in 3D in a theater.

Oh, yeah. Probably would have. And it is just, I mean, there's some parts that are cheesy, but the movie's so badass to me, I can forgive. Like, my wife was. pointing out that I don't know if you guys notice I mean it's clearly noticeable the guy with the with the wig on his head or two pay in the church scene I can forgive stuff like that because I think that's deliberate that here I'm surprised that nobody

at some point that says he's here for hell to pay or something like that that would have been amazing but right or let's go ahead yeah yeah I it this movie's fantastic you know you get a shootout scene while he's having sex and even his line before that where she's telling him to take his clothes off and he tells I never disrobe before a gunfight. I love it. She's like, what? I'm also not a big fan of Amber Hurd, but I think she's fine in this. She might have came off a little too much for me, but I guess it goes with the movie. I also think William Fickner stole it

He just the way he played the accountant was great throughout the movie Oh yeah And yeah Billy Burke was pretty good as Jonah King I really uh I really dug him as the villain Yeah he definitely pulled it off It's this Perfect descriptions guys It was just it was it was a fun movie to watch

Which is exactly what I was looking for when I turned it on. Drive Angry, Nicholas Cage, I mean, he's already in his crazy face. Amber Herb, while she may not be the greatest actress in the world, has got all of her parts in exactly the right spot. That chick is gorgeous. Yeah? Like, wow.

You mean she chooses the right parts when she's acting or what? No, like all of her body parts and her face, her eyes, or everything is in the exact perfect spot. This is a Grace Kelly level beauty, man. Wow. Yeah. Wow. That's saying a lot right there. Yeah.

Does she have the same acting chops? Probably not. But it has yet to be determined. However, she is very nice to look at. But is she as not as sleepwalkers when we were, uh, madchen Amic. Is she that? Oh, yeah. Well, see, she had a different thing going because she had like a light eyes, dark hair

thing, which is always hot. But Amber, Amber Hurd is like the blonde cowgirl chick that don't take no shit. Yeah, exactly. Fair enough. It was a lot of fun, man. I love the action

sequences. I love all of Nicholas Cage's lines in this movie. He pulls them off perfectly, even if they're a little cheesy. Yeah, I love that he's on a mission against devil worshipers. I love that the accountant comes in.

Are we doing spoilers here? I guess we can. Oh, 2011 movie, you bet. I love that he comes in and sort of half-ass teams up with him at the end. They finally have this like understanding. And that's really cool.

All in all, it was just a really fucking fun movie. Like, I... Is it the best movie I've ever seen? No. but man, did I enjoy myself? Absolutely.

And that says a lot. Yeah. My review is going to be super short. All I'm going to say about this movie, you guys said it all, my wife took me to see this in three, because remember it was originally Drive Angry 3D. They made a huge deal out of it. Oh, it was.

Yeah, Drive Angry 3D. My wife took me to the theater to see this on my birthday. Best birthday present ever, ever. So jealous. You guys ready for scores? Wow. L. Yeah.

Speed. I'm 10, man. Yeah, I'm giving it 8 out of 10. I really enjoy this one a lot. I'm going to agree with you. I'm going to give it 8 out of 10. It's a lot of fun with this movie. Yep.

I'm right on that same level. I was thinking that before either you all said it, too. Eight out of 10. Fucking great, man. It was super. fucking fun, man. It was dumb, mindless, fun. Are you guys kidding me right now?

Four-eighth. I'm not fucking with you. It is four-eighth. It's four of a kind, baby. Absolutely. I will admit, though, I gave the film an extra point, mainly because it also has Tom Atkins in the film as well. It sure does. We didn't even bring him up. Yep, Tom Adkins can't hurt anything. All he can do is improve anything.

he's in. And real quick, I would have liked to see what is his name? Pruitt Taylor, Vince. He's the guy with the eyes. Yeah, he was in identity and a lot of other movies. I'd like to see him more in this movie. Then he had like a little, I guess,

little cameo, I guess you would say. Yeah. All right, well, but if they had, it wouldn't have been four of a kind. It would have been, you would have given it an 8.5. So let's just be happy with what we got, boys. we'll stick with almost perfection. We're off to a great start.

You all ready to move on? Any way you look at it, we're going to talk about mom and dad. Director and writer, Brian Taylor, also known for, oh, wow, we may be in for a show here. Also known for crank and Ghost Rider Spirit of Fentions. Oh, not Ghost Rider.

Fuck me. Oh, wow. Okay. Those are my least favorite Nicholas Cage movies. Well, we'll see what you think about this. Nicholas Cage said that this was actually his favorite movie that he was in in 10 years. So that's got to be worth something, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, well, we're going back to the release date. I should have just read a couple of sentences ahead. The film's first premiere was at the Toronto Film Festival at 1159 p.m. on September night, 2017. Dean. Bede, Mom and Dad, what do you think? I love Mom and Dad. I'm not going to lie. This film, I'm just going to say, like, what I really like about this, it's kind of its own unique spin on the zombie genre.

Like, the parents who, like, it has a concept at the heart of it, I think every parent can relate to on some level, like, wanting to kill their kids at some point. Not as gruesome fashion, but that feeling. But it kind of amps it up to like, you know, in overdrive. Like what would happen where some kind of, we don't know whether it's a virus or some kind. I assume the film hints that it's some kind of frequency in like radios and TVs that sparks with parents to wanting to kill their own kids. But so in a way it's kind of as that interesting kind of zombie plot at the end of, at the center of it. But it also takes some really interesting unique turns with it as well. And also the way how it's filmed, it has that sort of, you know, that sort of energy that

Brian Taylor sort of brought to the crank films applied to this. But it actually works in favor for the film because, you know, puts us in the mindset of some of the characters, particularly Nicholas Cage. Although I would have to say Nicholas Cage in this film, like he goes, this is total cage rage in this film. But it makes me think, but it's also, his performance reminded me of Jack Nicholson's in The Shining. It's like, is he, is he just like already crazy from the beginning before all this shit happens? Or is he just sort of like going with the flow?

So it's kind of hard to say. But I mean, I think it's really well acted. Both Cage and Selma Blair give great performances. The kids were really good. I like the choice of songs in the film having all these really sort of pop kind of happen. songs that are sort of contrast with all the mayhem that's on screen. And particularly one where rock sets, it must have been loved as using a scene where one film of Blair's sister

is trying to murder her own baby in that. And just little things like that. And it's also surprisingly intense and funny as well. And of course you've got Lance Henriksen who shows up at the end to cause a little mayhem himself. So I really love this film a lot. I think like Drive Angry, it's a total blast, but in its own kind of specific way as well. Yeah, fun movie, man.

That's what I love the most was the fact that when Hendrickson showed up and it was like, it's kind of like you kind of were drawn one way the whole movie that, you know, basically one particular character or set of characters were evil and the rest were innocent. And then next thing you know, the, the people that are aggressive are becoming the victims, you know? Yeah. It's like the, the,

there was no, how do I explain? Are we spoiling this one or is it so new? We're not spoiling it. Oh, yeah. It's been out for almost the year, so I think we can spoil it. Yeah, it's just how it was

turned about as fair play, you know, toward the end there. It was really awesome. That was my, my favorite part of the whole movie was when the, the grandparents showed up. I do have a question. Yeah.

That was Nick Cage's, his, in the movie, that was his mom, right? Lance Hendrickson's wife. Why was she after Selma Blair? I don't think she was. I mean, there was an altercation, but I think it was more Selma Blair was, you know, fighting with her. Right. Because like, yeah, it's the only explanation I can think of because I was thinking that as well. And then I sort of think about it's like, oh, maybe that's probably what it is.

Yeah, because I do remember. scene where I kind of felt like after some of, after that altercation, Selma Blair went back to chasing her daughter and then the mother-in-law followed her outside. I believe and hit her in the back of the head. Right. So I don't, I don't, I don't, it was just one little gripe. I was a little confused. Yeah, a little inconsistent with every thing that's happening, especially with the film sort

of determines that it's the parents wanting to kill their own kids, not anyone else's kids. Sure. well I mean it's a weird concept too I mean how far do you go once you've slaughtered your own child at this point aren't you just willing to defend yourself to the death against you know grandma anyway yeah oh then again maybe grandma would try to protect her granddaughter yes also true I don't know I think we're reading way too much into that man it was a whole lot of fucking fun this movie was great It may be my favorite thing that I've watched from Nicholas Cage since Drive Angry.

This was actually my first time watch for Drive Angry, too. Oh, okay. So I had seen Mom and Dad a few weeks ago. I didn't rewatch it because I felt like I would hopefully remember enough. I do remember at least that I liked it. This movie was a lot of fun, man. It was a cool twist on the zombie thing, like you guys said. And I think that they pulled it off.

if you want crazy Nick Cage, this is the one for you. Selma Blair. How great was she in this movie? Oh, yeah. This was a great part for her to play. Yeah. Like being like seeing all this mayhem and realize that she wants to protect her kids and then all of a sudden that static hits her and all of a sudden she wants to kill her kids.

So it's a great part for her. And if anything, she's probably, I mean, as much as awesome as Cage is in the film, especially with his, that pool scene where he's like wrecking the pool table. that's like amazing. But to me, Soma Blair was what stole the film for me because I thought

she was legitimately amazing in the film. Yeah, it was going to be my next sentence. Yeah, absolutely. A lot more

than I expected for sure. Yeah. I thought this was super fun to gives you one of my favorite Nick Cage scenes

where he, like you brought up the cool scene where he's singing the hokey pokey. Yes. Yes. Amazing.

And then Lance, you brought Lance, uh, I also like, because I just love when he popped in and he's going after his son and he's just like, I've fought in wars. What have you done? Right. He's stabbing the shit out of Nick Cage. Yeah, so they have a lot to say about the generation gap there, huh?

Yeah. I didn't really like the kids as much as you be, but I thought they were fine. The most disturbing scene was in the hospital with the baby. actually actually two scenes in the hospital because you get the mother as that song's playing she's just slowly starting to squeeze and I was it just I was just I was just wow and then you got the other scene with all the the new fathers just staring through the window yeah that was yeah yeah that was really crazy yeah that was unnerving that shot like yeah those are some of the best scenes of the movie though I think that they really set

the tone for it yeah yeah well and think of it just like two, you got two actors that probably have no right to still be alive. Nicholas Cage and Selma Blair, if we were to set up a table in front of us and put out all the drugs that these two have done in their lifetimes.

Selma Blair? It lighted out from one end of the other. Yeah, Selma Blair? Was she into that stuff? Oh, she was a junkie big time. You got to hear about all that? No, I didn't know that. I didn't know about any of this. It's hard to look this up. I can only assume that Nicholas Cage does a shitload of drugs

because we're going to find out about that here in a minute. Yeah, thank. At least a few lines of Coke before every scene. Every scene. Including the demon. Well, okay. Actually, I got a bit of trivia. I just found out about this not too long ago.

The cinematographer of the film, Daniel Pearl, he shot the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. No shit. And as well as the remake. So he shot both. And what else does he shoot? He shot the Friday to 13th remake, the boy,

and also Alien versus Protonor Requiem. But to be fair, you can never really tell if that movie's being shot because that movie is dark. It looks like basically a black screen. But yeah, and I'm like, oh, I didn't. And then when I found that about it, and I watched the cinematography,

it's like, oh, yeah, it's like, I did the text. It's like that. I think that's just part of what makes it great. I mean, it's, the way that it shot visually, it's a really cool movie. I'm going to go out a limb and give this 9 out of 10. I really enjoyed it that much. And it's probably one of my, it's definitely going to make my top 10 horror films of the year.

For sure, I really love this movie that much. Sure. I guess it, yeah, it's considered this year, right? So we're safe in doing that. I give it a strong seven. I really, really, really enjoyed it. Definitely more than I expected, to say the least. What was it?

It came right on Netflix, didn't it, almost immediately? If I'm not mistaken. Is it on Netflix? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was on, oh, maybe not. Maybe I saw it through... Maybe I better be quiet.

I know it's on Hulu, right? It's on Hulu right now. All right, yeah, it was on Hulu, guys. Yeah, that's the one. Through my page. subscription. You see what I have them with. Okay, I got you. Let's just say that. All right, fair enough. Seven. Uh, who, is it me or you, Brian? Go ahead. Uh, I'm going to give it, I'm going to give it an eight. I, uh, would not be surprised. If we're, if we're counting it for this year, I wouldn't be,

if it ends up on a top ten list. Um, um, it was a really fun movie, man. It was just, it was, it was really I'm really bummed that I didn't get the chance to rewatch it. But I had to make my wife watch Bone Tomahawk, and that was a better movie. I'm sorry. Yeah. I am going to also give it an eight, super fun movie, fun performances, Nick Cage and Selma Blair. And another quick question, why was their son never in school? Was he sick?

That's what I assumed he was. Well, even in the flashbacks, he's, you know, finding his gun running around. in his underwear, like pretending to shoot things. A kid is never in... Lucky little bastard. He just pulls a Ferris Bueller every day. Ah, get a little rigor in his room. All right, um, that's it, right?

So we strongly recommend both movies so far. We're in a roll, boys. We got a cage rage going on that's full of... Absolutely. I can't wait till you pick the music for this episode, Phil. I know, right? I'm a little stuck. I think I've got everything picked out. Cool. We'll put it in there.

All right. Director Panos Cosmatos, also known for Beyond the Black Rainbow. Panos is the son of director George P. Cosmatos, who actually directed one of my favorite movies of all-time Tombstone. Oh, nice. Riders, Panos, along with Aaron Kossmatoz, who actually directed. Stuart on. This movie actually prompted

a five-minute standing ovation at the Kans Film Festival. What? I don't believe that. Somebody had some serious drugs there. Kans, where is the Kans Film Festival held? It's in France.

In France, right? In France, yeah. Well, drugs aren't legal there, so I'm not sure what's going on there, Bid. Fill us in. Passing out some pills on the way to the Having seen the movie twice in cinemas, I can tell you right now that everyone was applauding. Really? Yeah, both times, yeah. Okay.

Well, let's speak of applauding, man. I had another piece of trivia, but I'm kind of interested to get into this one, Bede. What did you think, man? Okay. Oh, but you mean the film? Yeah, the film, dude. Did you stand up and applaud if you saw it? I totally applauded both times at the end of the...

this movie. I'm not going to lie. This is definitely, without a doubt, one of my favorite movies of the year. I loved it. This was like my most anticipated when I saw it at the Melbourne Film Festival, like a couple about last month, and it lived up to my expectations. It wasn't what I expected, and I think in a lot of ways that's what made me love it even more. Because, I mean, I haven't seen Beyond the Black Rainbow, but from what people have told me who have seen it, Mandy is very much in the same style tone as that one in terms of like how it's shot visually, but also the sort of the pacing as well. But that one's definitely much more of a sci-fi film.

This one's definitely full-on action and horror. And what I really love about this film is that this is a film that, I mean, if you get an opportunity to see this on the big screen, definitely, because it's probably without a doubt one of the most visually stunning. films that I've seen this year. It is a total, like visually, it just captivates you.

And then all of, and for the first half, it's just kind of like this kind of more, you know, slower pace, kind of following this couple and all that in their relationship. And then once this sort of cult comes along. Right, right. And it just fucks things up for the both of them. That's when the movie takes a different turn

and goes into full cage rage for Nicholas Cade. and he goes out and seeks revenge. And that's when like, like, and part of his cosmodas definitely milks all that for Cage to do. Like, what Cage does in this second half is amazing. And, and it shows him both sides. You've got the subdued Nick Cage

and also the crazy bat shit cage. And him just nailing all these action set pieces. Like, the film is, I just love it. Like, I think I've been describing it to people, like people been asked me like what is the film like i've basically told them like it's basically like an 80s set medieval fantasy that's infused with a lot of lSD that's what i've been describing to people this movie is lSD it pretty much is like i've never taken lSD but i imagine this is what the film what that world would look like if i took it's it's probably more of a hiawaska trip

Yeah. Yeah. But also Nick Cage is, you know, phenomenal in this film. Like he goes through so much in this film. And like I said, you see different sides of his performance. You got the subdued side, the craziness side. And also the surprisingly moving side as well. And you actually feel his character's anguish in scenes.

And also his total, like, rage as well. Like, he can actually be legitimately terrifying in certain scenes. And I know he even said that he Pat, for his performance, he actually based some of it on Jason Voie. So you can definitely see... Jason Voorhees? Yeah, like, when I rewatched the film again the day,

like, I was like, oh, I can see what he means why that. And that second up, that sort of like, no fuck's given, I'm going to kill all these fucking cult members and show no mercy to any of them. So... I don't see that. I mean, I thought Jason. versus Vourries was more random.

Well, this one I think it's more like his determination to kill people, I think. Like that sort of, no fuck's given. Like, I don't care who you are. If you're a cult member, you're automatically dead. You're going down. Yeah, exactly. And he kills him in the most, like, awesome ways as well. Like, the gore in the film is pretty awesome.

And pretty much every scene is, like, cage, rage gold. I mean, yeah. I got to quote that, man. It's beautiful. But they should put that on the poster. Absolutely. Well, they will now. You're 100% right.

But I legitimately love this movie, like everything about it. And I can say the story is pretty straightforward because it is a simple revenge story. But I think that's deliberate by design because you've got this, the world around that is so visually stunning and so full on. Like, what it, with the characters and like the visuals that you kind of need that story to be simple. so it doesn't overcomplicate things and become too overwhelming for the audience? Makes perfect sense. Yeah, like, for example,

if you're on a serious acid trip and halfway through the movie, you're like, what the fuck is happening right now? You have to remember, oh, right, killed wife, killing these guys. Okay, go. But, yeah, I love this movie, and now I'm even more curious

to hear what you guys think of it. Well, let me put it to you this way. You guys ready? I'm going to, I'm going to have. Ask a friend. Hold on. What the fuck is happening right now? Your friend is also correct as well. What's you guys think?

Brian, Philip? Yeah, man, I'll go. So I had to watch this movie three times. Wow. That's full of the day. I love it. The first time I watched it, I was not prepared for how engrossed I needed.

to be in this movie for it to make any sort of semblance of sense at all. So I was like, you know, I may, I maybe had a couple of beers or something. I think we did it after a podcast. And, but I was up like cleaning the kitchen and shit while it was on in the background. And halfway through the movie, I'm going, what in the hell is happening right now? And so I thought the best movie for that maybe, huh? Yeah. And so I think maybe consciously, I, uh,

I went, okay, well, I haven't paid attention this far. I kind of don't want to fuck it up. But at one, I'll skip on that sentence until we get spoilers. But I came in at one point after letting the dogs out. And there was a scene that was pretty fucking amazing cage rage stuff. And I was like, where did this shit come from? So I felt like I needed to at least give it another shot. And I knew from the first watch that this film was very trippy.

So a friend of mine gave me some candy. Whoa. And I was, I watched it again the other night. And I was stoned out of my mind, melting into the couch level of stone. And was watching this movie. And it is definitely just an acid trip that is caught on film. The visuals, the way that they do faces, man.

I mean, that's the way that they, it's obviously the way that it's intended. I mean, because none of the dialogue even makes any fucking sense. They talk to each other and everybody on the set has got to be tripping balls. It's a, but the things that they do with the visuals, then make the faces change while you're looking at them and while the horror and things like that are going on. And I was a little bit freaking out. Still couldn't follow the story.

Oh, shit. But I had to keep remembering, okay, kill this wife, kill these guys, okay, got it, revenge flee. And then, but I still felt like I didn't get it because I could not follow the story. every time somebody started talking, they were talking really slow, and I couldn't follow what was going on, mostly because I was barbecued. That's when subtitles are your friend. Yeah, I think that may have helped, but I'm still not sure that I would have grasped the concept.

So then I watched it again this morning, actually, Stone Cold Sober. And it still is definitely an acid trip. It is still super disconnected, but at least I sort of followed what happened. Okay. Very, very drug-fueled, very, very, very art house. Like, yeah. It's the art house to drive angry, pretty much. Wow, what a description.

Man, dude, your quotes are going to be all over the box, man. That's what happens when you are a film critic. You just come up with all these blurbs, like popping out all over them. Wow, I'm actually rethinking the whole movie right now. Like you take Mother, that was pretty fucking Art House, but at least he was trying to get a message across. And then take that shit and throw it way the fuck across the line. That's how Art House this one is.

Yeah. Actually, everybody on set was fucked up. It has to me. Actually, it kind of makes me wonder, like, maybe if this film was a tribute to his dad, because besides Tombstone, George Peacost, Modus also made Rambo First Blood Part 2 and Cobra. And those are pretty

straightforward action film. So what if he was like, I want to make an action film like my dad used to make, but do it in my own trippy art house style. Wow, that's whoo. Man. Yeah. Well, I guarantee you he did a bunch of acid for this one. Or maybe even Hiawaska. I've never done that. But I've heard it's pretty fucking intense. And this is visual-wise.

pretty fucking intense. I imagine if you, if you are the type of person who drops ass it occasionally, this would be a great movie to watch. I don't, I still am not unclear on whether I like it or not, though. It's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's so, it's so, it's like a bunch of really great scenes all put together, but they don't fucking make any sense. This is, uh, yeah, this is, this is, this is where we get into the, into the problem. For me anyway, because you guys know how much I wanted to hate the predator

last week, right? Mm-hmm. And yet, I had fun and I couldn't hate it. Yeah. This is the exact opposite. I wanted to love this movie so much from everything that I saw in the...

I mean, it's... Fuck, man, everything I saw in the trailers, but when the movie started, it's... It was like speaking to me directly. It was like everything I'm into. They start off with a scene and they're playing one of my favorite progressive rock bands of all time, King Crimson, in the opening, that Starless and Bible Black. And I'm like, holy fucking shit.

And then they start showing all the lettering when they go from chapter to chapter in the movie. And it's like fantasy novels. And she's reading a fantasy novel with that. with that type of, you know, 1970s, 80s style like Conan the Barbarian and, you know, different fantasy novels. And I'm like, now it's really speaking to me. And then it started getting trippy.

And with my history of loving the hell out of experimenting with psychedelics, it's like, wow, this movie was made for me. But somewhere, I don't know if it was after they did the big thing that I didn't know was going to happen. And then it turned into a. different type of movie or whatever, but it just lost me for some reason. And I wish, to God, I wish I got what you got from this movie, Bede. Because that's what I wanted, and that's what I expected.

But for some reason, this movie completely jumped the shark for me when they did what they did. And then it just became a straight-up revenge movie, and so disappointed. I mean, I definitely liked it more than a... I didn't, but not quite what I was hoping for. Philip, I think you've got the right idea, man. See it three times. I think it's a film you need to see more than once, I'd say that.

There's such a great movie in there. You just have to sift through the drugs to get to it. I got it here. It's just, it's so fucking crazy, man. Like, I wish that maybe he had written it when he was sober and filmed it he was tripping or something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah, instead of just a straight trip from start and finish.

Yeah. I'm dying to hear what Brian has to say. Wow. I, Philip, I see your candy and I raise you a cookie because I was baked out of my mind when I seen this, and this movie is fantastic. Oh. The visuals were amazing. the colors were just popping for me.

If you're really stoned, it's like an acid trip. I will say, I will say, I did not care for Mandy at all. What? Oh, they got to be there for very long. Yeah, but once we get to the second half of the movie, it was full cage rage from when it starts to the end and I was fully involved.

I really I really dug this movie and I don't know it was because of my magical cookie but I don't know it just it it did it for me and just the the fight scenes in it it was brutal it was gory it was it was fantastic definitely outvoted on this one and that's cool because you guys got from it what I wanted to get from it are you all ready for scores and then spoilers yeah yeah be it I know Yours is going to be pretty high. It's a 10 out of 10 for me. I'm not going to lie.

And that was it on the first go and even more so on the second one. Like it's going to be in my top 10, not just in my horror movies, but also my regular normal top 10 as well. Like, I love the movie that much and I can't wait to see it again. Nice. But also say, like it said, it's one you've got to see on the big screen if you get an opportunity to see it, for sure. I think you're right.

I think on the big screen, maybe it would have had a little. little more because there is literally nothing else that you can pay attention to unless people are loud um yeah i think there's such a fine line between genius and you left the fucking reservation when it comes to art and uh i think this one is like just past it i can't give it more than a six mostly because none of the dialogue makes any sense at all. Any sense. At one point, he, never mind. We'll get to that in spoilers.

But for such a simple plot, this movie was so confusing. I think it's definitely worth a watch. If you have any sort of mind-altering substance, now is the time to take it but yeah I give it a six man it was a fun watch I'm glad I watched it I really I really wanted to like it more than I did all right

well one thing's for damn sure I will be watching this movie again I will not be watching this movie again sober like I'm telling we're going to have to get all with some mushrooms or something you know what dude

it kills me to have to say five and a half it's I liked it more than I didn't like it yeah just barely and so yes I'm ready I'm ready to to dive in there Phil make some phone calls you know

do whatever you have to do man we got to check this one out again Brian I do what I can Brian I know you're You're already there, right? Yeah, I'm going to give this a nine. I'm only taking, I'm only taking some off because, like I said, I didn't care for Mandy.

I wanted more Bill Duke. And I'm glad to see Richard Brake was in this, but I have no clue on what he was talking about or doing in this movie. I have a theory. Right. Well, we'll get into that in spoilers, right? Yep. But he definitely emoted with his eyes and his little. I think he was tripping.

I think everybody in this movie was tripping. Nicholas Cage definitely was. Every time they did a close-up on his eyes, there was like literally all pupil. Am I right? Yeah. Literally. Are we in spoilers now? This is a motherfucking spoiler alert.

You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. We are now. We are now. Spoiler alert.

I think that cocaine they was doing and the movie was real. Real. I'm not, yeah, absolutely. I think it was more than cocaine. I think that they were tripping on acid and then found cocaine and said, fuck it, let's go. Beat, I want to hear your theory. Okay.

With Richard Bright, pretty much it's like, he's just like this sniffling, sort of drug maker, Nicholas Cage just comes in, looking all intimidating as shit, and he's like sitting in there, it's like, you're not going to get anything out of me, man. And he just sees like the look in Nick Cage's eye.

And he's like, you're not going to get anything out of me. All right, I'll tell you where. All right, just don't hurt me and stuff like that. Because at that point, Cage is like,

I give no fuck terror. He's already covered in blood, isn't he? Yeah, pretty much. It's like, you know, if I, he's like, the guys, and I kept thinking it's like,

he's like, giving that information. away too quickly, but I'm like, this dude, like, Richard Brake is scared as shit of Nick Cage right now, and he's like, he's, at first he's trying to be tough, but then as time, as the scene goes along, he's just like, and seeing the look in Cage's eye, he's just like, yeah, he's like, yeah, I'm just going to give this guy what he wants, so he doesn't kill me. And so that's pretty much it, really. It's just, Nick Cage is being absolutely intense and, uh, terrifying to least a Richard Brake in that moment.

It's just, it's, it's so out there that it's hard to follow. Yeah, but I also had another theory. Like, I was thinking of this when I saw it again the other day. I was like, what if Richard Brake is so drugged out on his mind, he thinks Nicholas Cage is talking to him in his thoughts? It's a very good possibility. That may be, I don't even know if they had a script for this movie. They may have just given these people drugs and said, go.

You know what? I kind of go with that more because he's basically, it's like he's answering questions that you don't hear Nick Cage saying. Yeah. So maybe he was just that high that he thought he was hearing his thoughts. Yeah. I mean, I need to see beyond the Black Rainbow as well, because I think another thing that I've heard about the direct,

like in terms of like the line delivery and stuff, that's also in that same movie as well. Okay. Like in terms of how characters speak and talk. So this is all deliberate by design, like in terms of how he wanted his actors to go. And I also like the first. fact that the film feels like free acts.

Like you've got the first act that's sort of sent around Mandy. And it's sort of like a much more sort of, uh, uh, fereal and sort of follows Mandy as she's sort of, you know, on a day to day life. And then all of a sudden, uh, Linus Roe, I think is legitimately great in it as well as this cult leader. Oh, yeah. And apparently his character was also based on,

on Charles Manson. Because the cult does some, a lot of similar things at the Manson family used to do, like, get high on drugs and kill people? I thought about that while the movie was going on. And, like, when he comes in, the movie's kind of focusing on him. Right.

On his character and his family. And then, of course, in the third act, that's when it's just entirely on Nick Cage. Because if you think about it, Cage is kind of, I wouldn't say sideline, but only plays a small part in the first two stories.

Yeah. And then once, you know, Mandy dies, and then the Colt Leaves, that's when it goes, focuses on Cage. And it feels, and that's when the movie goes batshit insane, because you got Cage, like, doing a scene where he literally breaks one of those Centabyte Biker guys necks in a Kung Fu style and literally going out of that, wah!

And he was just snorting up cocaine, like that big pile of it. What does he say to that guy? I have no idea. That's why I need some titles. There's something that he screams. Oh, he's saying, what is it? That's mine. Oh, yeah, that's right.

That's my shit? Yeah, that's what he's saying. He's like, going to... Yeah. But he also says, at one point, one of the guys comes in, and he said, you wrecked my favorite shirt. Yeah. Oh, that was a good thing.

Yeah. So that's like, the film is like deliberately like way over the top. then the first two halves, but again, I think that's also deliberate as well. I think it also goes in waves of the acid trip. I'm telling you, this is a drug-induced film. Yeah, actually, now that you think of it, you've got the first half, which has this kind of euphoric kind of feel, then the second could be that sort of starts,

okay, this is getting a little intense, and then the third act is literal freak out. Yeah. Maybe that's what the movie is. It's a little... Makes perfect sense, man. literal metaphor for an acid trip yeah and of course you got one point where

like Cage uses a guy's skull and dislikes a cigarette and the chainsaw fight is amazing right yeah this is this is the chainsaw fight they should have had what was that movie that we watched whatever it was it wasn't worth it yeah sorry I put you on the spot it was it was an old movie I think it was in is it really that bad part one movie Texas Jainsaw Massacre?

No, no, no. There was a chainsaw fight in some, like, weird horror comedy. Lep in the Hood? Oh, um, Hotel Hell. Yes. Oh, yes. No, Motel Hell, sorry. Oh, you got to do you think, man.

You bail this. This is what the chainsaw fight should have looked like that. It was a pretty great chainsaw fight. I'll give him that. And then it just ends with Nick Cage, grabbing Linus, Roach's head, crushing it, and saying, I'm your now. Yeah.

After he's like, after he, he's, he's so confident and telling Nick Cage to fuck off. And then when Nick Cage, like, grabs his head, he immediately's like, mid, I suck your fucking dick, whatever you want me. That's what I like about why this Roger's performance, because he thinks like he's like, I'm this co-leader, I'm cool. And then when pushing up to the time, like the guys are like an insecure sniffling. shit. Like, especially in the scene where he, like, literally

drops his robe to be naked to Mandy. Like, and then Mandy just literally laughs in his face and he becomes so insecure and it's like, you don't know. Yeah. Crazy. Okay, so definitely right around death weren't

there, that's for sure. I have questions. The, uh, the demons in this movie, from what I gather, get it. After the third fucking time of watching it, they are possibly just like a biker gang

who were running drugs for this cult leader and maybe he gave them a bad batch and now they are just bad shit insane. And so maybe they're just... Yeah, I think you got it. Yeah, that's exactly it. Okay, so they're just people. Yeah, they're drinking that jar of acid. Remember he...

Remember he takes... Nick Cage just tasted it off his finger and then just immediately just faces melting and all kinds. Oh, this movie is so fucking crazy, man. It really is a drug-filled movie. Like even those biker guys, yeah, they're just

what they are. You think, oh, they're demons for Elm. It's like, no, these are just biker guys who are just so off their rocker on drugs that they literally mutilated themselves to look cool. Wow. that one guy's got shit sticking out of him like fucking hellraiser yeah that's what i thought the cinnabites you mentioned that earlier be yeah now now i just want to see a had os cosmodus hellraiser movie now it's you very well made oh see okay now that i'd be into that would be fucking cool

although i i i still can't be mad at this one because it has a lot of really cool scenes but I mean there's just so many scenes where like at one point Nicholas Cage is is talking to I think the guy that he gets the crossbow from

yeah Bill do and he's yeah and he's a predator reference and he and he says something I can't remember what specifically it is so maybe this is a bad

description but it doesn't make any sense at all like a lot of the back and forth between the actors in general. And that was probably the scene that made the most sense out of the whole movie. But a lot of the back and forth between the actors, they're just like saying lines that have nothing to do with what the other person just said. It's just insanity. I thought that scene was great, mainly because he literally,

Cage just basically screams, like, what everyone's thinking. It's like, these guys are just pure evil. Yeah, and nowhere. And then Bill Duke's like calm as shit, because he's Bill Duke. And it's like, basically, it's like, you know, if you're going to do this, just be careful. These guys are dangerous. And, you know, and my favorite scene, though, it's like, actually what I love about that third act is like, things just don't make sense. And I think that's, again, deliberate.

Like, how does Nick Cage know how to make a friggin' axe all of a sudden? I know, right? He becomes a fucking blacksmith? Yeah, I know. But again, that's the whole medieval fantasy thing that I keep going back to because... Ties into the fantasy books that man... Yeah, exactly. That didn't even bat an eye at that one. I was like, yeah, all right, fuck it. It is the cage, and if he wants to make a battle axe, it is like, oh. If you want to do it, go right ahead.

And that was a cool axe, too, like that. It was a pretty cool axe. I liked it when he got it back. Yeah, I did like that, you know, of course he's going to murder all these people, but they just kind of seal their fate by reminding him that his wife just got burnt alive. Like every single one of them, right before he kills him, they're just like, she's burning, she's still burning. And I think one of the most gruesome one is when he stuck the end of that, that axe that he made in that guy's mouth straight through.

Yeah. Yeah. Everything just happened so slow. Like there's a... Yeah. Okay, the young chick from the cult, did he kill her? No, no. She was like...

Yeah, because she was like, I guess, the only innocent one there. And he could tell that, you know, she was innocent. Okay. Yeah. See, I shouldn't have that question after watching this movie three times. Three times. But I do. Because after that scene happened, I remember him sticking the thing in that guy's

mouth and looking at her and then I have no idea what happened after that. Well, that's what I took, because I kind of felt like when she did the, right, putting the gun to her head earlier, I felt like she didn't want to do it, but she had to do it. Well, obviously, yeah. Well, not because, you know, to show her, you know, love because she wanted to. I think I felt like she had to do it or she was going to be. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I got that he just knew she was not like them. She was probably the Mandy before Mandy. Yeah. Yeah.

That's probably what Mandy probably would have ended up in if, you know, if she didn't laugh at Lionel Sroaches' dick. Yeah. Yeah. And his fucking ridiculous song. Yeah. Oh, yes. That was hilarious.

And again, the whole Charles Manson thing, because he was a failed singer. Right. So I think there was a lot of deliberate elements to that as well. Actually, that's a thing where she's burnt alive is actually a pretty sad scene. because you can see a lot of anguish in Cage's performance in that scene. Do they fuck with his face at all during that scene? I don't think so.

Not that I recall. No, let's get that barbed wire across his mouth. Yeah, I mean, he had that, but that whole scene where he was, like,

rolling back and forth and screaming, because I watched it today, and I didn't notice it as much, but after I had a couple pieces of candy, and I watched it, I was like, what the fuck is how? happening to his face right now.

I don't know. It was a visual where I was just making sure that I'm not freaking out. Yeah, even that visual where it's like Lionel Roach's character is talking to Mandy and it just goes back and forth and morphs between their faces. I wasn't on drugs. Both times I saw that scene and even I was like freaky out. It's like this is like way too creepy. This is a freaking out movie.

They do things like that to fuck with you. Specifically, if you are on acid, this is tailor-made for you to take acid. Especially one of the final looks we get at Nick Cage when he thinks Mandy is riding beside him in Florida. Yeah, wow. That was crazy. That was crazy Nick Cage. Yeah. He's gone full crazy, dude.

What fuck is happening right now. Yes. So many times. I have to say, Two more great parts about the movie I love. We haven't talked about him yet. The scene where he breaks down in the bathroom. Yes.

Breaking that giant bottle of vodka. Yeah, I was about to ask about that. I bet you 90% sure that that was real. Actually, I would have been surprised if he said, don't give me a fake bottle of vodka, just give me a real one. Yes. I'm guaranteed, man. That is a Nick.

cage thing to do. He probably drank that whole fucking thing. Yep. And then just before that you saw it this thing that's been trending online the last few days since the movies came out Cheddar Goblin. Oh yes. Yes, yes. I don't know what that is.

I found out not too long ago that that ad was directed by someone else and it was made by the same guy who made that that fake ad too many cooks. Okay. Oh, for...

No, it's not that. It's not that. It was like to say, you know, like in 80s and 90s, sitcoms always have the credits and they have the person's name and they're like smiling and waving and all that. The whole... He did this short film where it's just basically that for 30 minutes. And it's called Too Many Cooks.

That's what the sitcom was called because it's like so many kids by the name of Cook. But the thing is, as the thing goes on, it gets darker and darker. That sounds familiar. Yeah, I think if you see the video, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. So he directed that cheddar cop. Okay.

And it's just like everyone's been talking about that ad in the movie ever since. Okay. I still feel like I'm watching the movie because I don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. The mac and cheese commercial with the cheddar goblin. No, man. No idea. Yeah, you got to watch it again. You'll be gobbling it.

Oh, oh. Yeah, okay, he's coming up out of the... I thought it was fucking popcorn or something. He's gonna... I'm cheese, man. All right. You guys ready to... Ready to close it out?

Yeah. I think we've done as much damage. As damage, much damage... I want to give it another shot, but I want to... I'm gonna... Yeah, we're gonna give it... Philip, if we're gonna give it another shot, you know what you're...

You know what your assignment. is. Man, I'll do what I can. I don't know if that's going to happen. I either take a lot of drugs or a lot of vodka like Nick Cage does in the movie. And for your Blu-Raeg

collectors, it comes out on October 30th. And it's on, I think it's only 15 bucks on Amazon US. So it's cheap as to buy at the moment. Fuck. A bargain. And you're going to have to watch it multiple times.

anyway. I'm going to be watching this multiple times as soon as it comes out on Bluroy. Yep. All right, Bid. Well, man, dude, thanks for coming on, man. We knew we picked the right guy for the show. I had no idea. You were going to give it a 10 out of 10.

But holy shit, dude. I'm glad you came on. Where can our listeners find you, man? What are you doing right now? Well, they can find me over at supermassy.com or my reviews and everything are up there at the moment. I haven't done anything in the past few weeks because I've just been so busy, but I do have a review of the film You Were Never Really Here, starring Joaquin Phoenix, which is going to be online in a few days.

And I'm also got, also, I did post it up on the horror returns group page. You can check out my little column that I wrote for screencast that was on my recap of the Melbourne International Film Festival, which focuses mainly on the horror films that were played at the festival. Yeah, we talked about it last week. Yeah, and people can check that there, but I'm also working on my next edition of my column, Horror Down, Under Four screencasts, and this one's for a recent Australian horror film

that I'm going to be doing called Scare Campaign. So that one... We have reviewed that one before for the podcast, man. Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, we love it. Yeah, I really enjoyed it as well, and that was a pleasant surprise for me, So I'm definitely looking forward to revisiting it and writing about it for the column.

And yeah, just pretty much you can find me all over the place. I'm on Twitter at at bejamine.com and on Facebook, come to my name. And yeah, that's pretty much where everyone can find me if they're looking for more of my stuff to review. So supermarsie.com and the screencast.com. Nice. All right. Well, as always, we definitely want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the horror returns. We would love to hear your feedback.

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