The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #122: The Funhouse (1981) & Hellfest (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

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Regings victims, for those of you who delight and dread, who fantasize about fear, who glorify gore, welcome. You have found the place where the horror returns. Listeners beware. This podcast contains major plot spoilers. and the foulest of language. Join us in celebrating the old and the new, the best, and the worst in horror. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

Step right up. Step right up. You have found Hellfest. I mean the horror returns. I'm sorry, I'm not Tony Todd. This is Lance. And with me as always are my co-host Brian and Philip. How's it going?

guys. What up. All right. Well, I had an exciting week. I was actually had an opportunity to

guest on you guys remember our good friend Thomas Mariani from the hereditary

show. Of course. Thomas and his buddy Adam Thomas have a really cool podcast

that if you follow our Facebook page you probably already know about it. Double edge double

bill. Mm-hmm. And basically they review one good movie and one shitty movie. And I was lucky enough to be on with him and we talk zombies. So check that out. A lot of fun.

Brian, you got something to talk about with concerning a couple of gentlemen from East Texas, right? Happen Leonard? Yeah. Finish season three. Very, very, very strong subject matter going on in that third season. No kidding. But I fully enjoyed it and I wish there was going to be a season four just the way season three ended. Well, Brian, tell our listeners, because I don't think we've really sprung the surprise yet. Can you give everybody like a little taste of what's to come in the next couple of weeks? Oh, we got some interviews with people involved in the show. and we are going to also give a retrospective on the entire series of Happen Leonard.

And, yeah, I think everybody's going to be pleased, because I will say one of the interviews is probably one of my favorite interviews we've done since we've been doing this show, and I don't want to spoil too much. Super fun interviews. A lot of pretty amazing ones lately. Yeah. Yeah, one tonight, as a matter of fact. Absolutely.

It's a real fucking movie, man. Well, so Philip, tell us a little bit. You've been hard at work in the editing chamber. The horror returns torture slash editing chamber that we set up. What are some of the changes with the show you've been up to, man? Well, I like change, and so I like to try new things sometimes. See, always improving, right? So I've put a little background music in, if you guys have noticed.

I'd like to hear some thoughts. You want more of it, you want less of it. In the Western show, I had it playing pretty much throughout the whole show. And we got some bitches from our buddies. Oh, Nez! In the style of music that we were playing. Is that in the listener feedback section? No, let's see.

save that for the listener feedback on the next saddle up episode. Oh, on the next saddle up. Philip, tell everybody about saddle up, man. If you're listening, you may or may not know we have another podcast. Saddle up. Saddle up is our, well, if you've been on the pod beam page, you've probably seen it.

It's our, the horror returns present saddle up number one. Go check that one out. We're doing Bone Tomahawk and High Noon, Classic, with our new co-hosts. Actually, the regular hosts of that show are going to be Gene and Jay. And we were just kind of on as side guests. But it was a whole lot of fun. And I had some music playing throughout that one.

And it was not the old country that they wanted, apparently. But we'll talk about that some more. on the saddle up number two. Get off my lawn, Nez. All right. So shout out to Nez, you fucking cocksucker. It's on the Facebook group page

in case you guys haven't checked that out yet, though. All right, cool. So you guys ready for Cool of the week? Yeah. Yes, sir. Philip, what'd you check out, man? Man, I haven't really watched a whole lot of horror, which is strange since October is kind of on the way up.

had a busy week, and I think that we've done so many podcasts in the past week or so. I haven't had time to watch anything in between them. I did check out. I tried to get the kids to watch Back to the Future. Oh, cool. So I tried to find a movie that we could sit down as a family

and watch, and I thought that would be a fun one. And the kids got bored and ran off, but me and my wife really enjoyed it. Yeah? They got bored with Back to the Future, dude? Right? That's what I'm. I said, I don't know, man.

He wanted to play fucking Fortnite. Oh, no. Kids. Oh, Fortnite. But Back to the Future is great, man. It still holds up 100%. I just recently found out my wife has never seen Back to the Future. Really?

Yeah, I was so fucking, yeah, I was so fucking disappointed in her. I had nothing to say to her. That's what my... Okay, I told my wife we were doing the fun house this week, and she's like, you've never seen the fun house? I was like, I don't even know what the fuck that is. No, I've never even heard of it. She's like, I watch that all the time.

I can't believe you've never seen it. She watched it all the time? Yeah, well, on TV, I guess. I don't remember. Okay, we'll get to that later. Yeah? Yeah. She was like, I saw the shame in her eyes

when she looked at me and shook her head. and I felt a tiny child but anyway aside from that the back to the future is cool the week yeah well my as is so often the case lately guys

my cool of the week was also my not so cool of the week concurrently Mayans MC oh tell me about this because I watched the first episode and I have not gone back. I'm about three.

I'm about three in. It, it scratches that S.O.A. itch to a certain extent. And it's kind of fun, you know, just losing yourself in a stupid storyline. But, uh, God damn, man. Somebody pointed it out, I think on our, or I think, I think, I think on my personal Facebook page, somebody pointed it out. the fucking computer graphic owl and scorpion and raven and shit. It's like, what's the point?

And AJ caught that when we were watching it the other night. She said, that is not a real owl. I said, what the fuck you mean? Why would they show a fake owl? How much does it possibly cost to rent an owl in Hollywood from, you know, some kind of animal training studio and film it for five seconds? But I'll be goddamn, if it wasn't a fucking CGI owl, Well, CGI has been a big topic on our show.

It must be super cheap to do CGI now. I guess. I guess, man. Seems like he could use some stock footage, like that shark movie that we watch. That's right. Yeah, that probably would have been better. But, no, I mean, if you want to kill an hour or 45 minutes or an hour, because, you know, you know how, you guys know how FX does it. With that, an American Horror Story and different shows like that, where, um, you know, you know how, you guys know how FX does it.

You know, it's like an hour and a half, but 30 minutes of that is commercials. Oh, that makes sense. Fast forwarding through the commercials, it literally comes to a full hour. It's fun. I mean, it's dumb, harmless fun. What do you check it out, Brian? Okay, I got a couple things. We've been talking about American Horror Story, and I noticed on Netflix they added last season,

and I had tapped out of last season. I thought I tapped out on episode four, re-watching it. I realized I tapped out on episode two. Oh, wow. Because of Sarah Paulson, constant screaming and crying. No respect.

And no respect. She was super fucking annoying in the beginning of that season. Yeah. So I watched the whole season this week. I finished it. It's not my favorite season. I don't understand what they was doing, what they was going for.

Sarah Paulson kind of redeemed herself a little bit in the second half of the season. But, yeah, that show was all over the place. I didn't... It wasn't terrible, though, man. Yeah, but it just, like,

everything was a twisty-turny, like, twisty-turning here, twisty-turning there. Yeah, but that was kind of fun, man. My favorite three seasons of the first three, and then as far as I'm concerned, it went to shit after cover. And I thought this finally brought it back up again a little bit.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it was up and down for me as I was watching it this week because I was remembering, I was like, oh, this is where I was done with the show. And I kept, got me back. And then it started losing me again. And then it got me back. And then I was, at the end, I was just kind of confused. So you're saying this is not your cool of the week?

no I would say I don't even know if this next one's gonna be a it's a semi cool the week semi cool well can we at least do it not so cool with a week semi cool like a semi hard on huh my next one um took the family to go see Eli Ross the house with the clock in its walls I heard some good things actually I didn't know it was Eli Roth Yeah Not bad actually If your kids enjoy the Goosepumps movie

Then they will enjoy this one That makes sense Um Eli Rob did a pretty good job doing it Because I was kind of Because I told my wife It's the guy that did cabin fever And

Right Hostel And then she was like really she was like yeah she was like is this a kid's movie for real and I was like yes it's a kids movie and it's very much in the vein of goosebumps so I do recommend it

you know take your kids to watch it is a little I felt it was a little too long but I wasn't there for myself my daughter enjoyed the movie from start to finish so yeah and she's

said she'll probably talk about it on the kids Halloween show. Oh, that's a good idea. We have to include that show. And I think that's it. Yeah, that's pretty much all I had time for this week. All right, that's cool of the week. So now

it is time for horror headlines. Brought to you by Brian. Take it away, Brian. Let's see. Andrew Lincoln is returning to the Walking Dead. To direct. That's old news, dude. heard that on the padded room like two weeks ago

wait what is he doing he's returning to direct yeah he's gonna be directing episodes file that under who gives a shit uh happy death day sequel is now title happy death day to you and gets a release date of February 14th Valentine's day

okay that's that's when it came out last year too right or uh did it I feel like it did. We'll go with it. Yeah. Something tells me lightning will not strike twice, but we'll see.

I hope so. I thought the first one was fun. Yeah, it was in my honorable mentions last year. Yeah, which was surprising. But yeah, I mean, it was near as bad as I expected it to be. Let's see. McKenna Grace. She's a young actress.

She'll be in the upcoming Netflix show, The Haunting of Hill House. She will play, she'll also play a young Captain Marvel. Okay. She just got cast in the next Annabelle movie as young Judy Warren. Well, that's not the chick that bothers me, is it? No, that is Lulu Wilson. Lou Lou. Okay. And as you, as you guys remember, we talked about the third Annabelle movie will take place

when the Warrens actually bring the doll home, and they lock it away at that room. Aye, aye, aye. Okay. They've been here to miss a little bit lately, man. I'm hoping if they do some good things here. I'm looking forward to it, because I feel like this will be a true conjuring spinoff,

because it will actually have the Warrens in it. Yeah. So, fingers crossed, because I wasn't a fan of the Nunn, even though the Nunn is killing it right now in the Box. office. James Juan back on that motherfucker. Good segue

right there. Because our next news is James Juan. Real quick Annabelle 3 July 3rd. Coming up pretty soon. We'll definitely be there. Segway and into James Juan, he has been tapped to produce the upcoming train to Busan remake.

Nice. Oh, done. Yeah. We will be there too. We will be there no matter what. And also Gary Doberman, who wrote the script for the It movie, is writing the script for this. Hmm. Okay. Man, I got some heavy hitters. Yep.

So, yep, that's all I got for news. All right. Cool. Because we got a lot to cover this week, so we might as well keep rocking. So, Phil, you ready to take that little trip? We're going to the trailer park. we're going to bring you the big the small and sometimes the very very weird Brian what's our first new trailer to talk about this week

knuckleball starring Michael Ironside and Monroe Chambers directed by Michael Peterson what did you guys think of knuckleball Phil I don't know what to think about this one I don't either it seems like a weird concept for a movie and I'm not entirely sure what the concept is because they don't really give you quite enough information

looks like home alone yeah i was going to say do we need another remake of home alone mixed with uh the visit you know he goes to grandpa's house and i guess grandpa teaches him how to survive and then maybe the neighbor's trying to kill him that's the concept that i get from it you do you think he kills the neighbor with the knuckleball uh well You just spoil the whole movie, man. Oh, sorry. Thanks, Brian. Thanks, Brian.

But I'll watch it if I come across it, but it doesn't, it doesn't look like super particularly interesting. I probably won't watch it. I've got way too much other shit on my play right now. Yeah, I probably, if it comes across, falls across my lap, I think I'll check it out. but I it just doesn't look like something that I would seek out yeah when it when it drops so yes knuckleball I did not get a release date on it uh it might be out already so could be maybe on video on demand or something yeah if anybody's looking for it it might be out I don't know.

It is an indie movie, so. I'm sure it's out there somewhere. It looked very indie. Yeah. On to our second and final trailer, we are going to talk about the upcoming Christmas movie. Anna and The Apocalypse. This is starring Ella Hunt, Malcolm Cumming, and directed by John McPhail. It could either be really good or really, really, really, really, really, really.

Really bad. That's true. I'm a little excited about it. It looks like a whole lot of fun. Nightmare before Christmas style, you know? Yeah. I don't know. It looks completely ridiculous and stupid, but I kind of have to watch it.

Now, I have to, judging by what they were saying in the trailer, I've never seen it, but they said this is a cross between Shauna the Dead and La La Land. I've never seen La La Land. They were just trying to find something to compare it to. I mean, I saw a little Sean of the Dead in it, but I sure didn't see any Lala land in it. Yeah, well, because it's a musical. I guess. It's a zombie comedy musical, which is a weird combination.

But it might work, you know, every once in a while. Yeah. He throws some shit together in the kitchen and suddenly it comes out the most amazing meal you've ever had. Yeah. Fair enough. It can just be another piece of shit Christmas horror movie that comes out every year. Very, very true. We shall see.

Release date, November 30th. Can't throw cheese on blueberry muffins. Probably doesn't work. And on that note, that is the final trailer. All right. That being said, Phil, will we get any feedback? Yeah, we got quite a bit of feedback this week. First, we'll go to some comments on the new look of the Joker, Joaquin Phoenix.

Patrick Clear says, I'm trying to understand the clown makeup. To my knowledge, the Joker never wore clown makeup. That may be true. I'm not an expert. Thomas Mariani says, my concerns have way less to do with Phoenix, who's usually reliable, or the look, which is fine, kind of mixing Caesar Romero's with a different face paint scheme, and way more to do with Todd Hangover Trilogy Phillips helming it. Hmm.

That bad? I mean, he's a comedy guy. Yeah, but I don't know if comedy is where they're going with this. I hope not. It looks serious, and I think that they should go that route. Sheree Pierre says, The nose being red is throwing me off. The actor is great, so I'm sure he'll do well, but his nose is red.

Oh, that nose. Melissa Stevens, our buddy, says, Lance Langford, are you drinking Haterade? Yes, I am. I'm excited about this movie. Oh, what? What's her to be excited about? Fucking Joaquin Phoenix and fucking face paint? Give me a break.

I'm sorry, Melissa, I didn't mean to give you a big black woman. accent on that one. It happens, though. It's my inner big black woman. Jeff Janicek says Dane Cook is next. Then Eric Dane, followed by Dame Edna, then Dane

Dahan. Gotta have you. D.C. stands for Dane Comics. And then they are painting this town, Dane. Brian? That's too much Dane

That is too much Dane A lot of Dane I only do I knew a guy named Dane In school Yeah Yeah I'm not gonna talk about it A comedian

No but it was I don't remember his last name It was close to that He could have been a comedian I don't know he's a weird dude Right Dane seems like a weird name Uh

Sorry to any Dane out there. Mike Elric, Joker comes in many incarnations. He has no origin. This is one origin of Joker who may or may not inspire future Joker or may just be an else world

Joker. Elseworld? Okay. Either way, I am looking forward to it. You cannot say this isn't the Joker when the Joker can arise and look how the person taking on the persona slash traits and the story to which led them to

become the Joker as a singular story or story arc, which led to a bigger picture and all-round idea based from the foundation of what the Joker really is, slash anarchy, slash disappear, slash, which I think was supposed to say despair, slash rage, slash insanity, slash psychosis. And remember, not every Joker fell into a vat of Ace chemicals. I mean, look at DC Comics. There are three Jokers. Cannot wait. Wow.

That, you put a lot of thought into that, buddy. Well put, sir. Well put. That was, like, smoked a whole bunch of weed analytical. Well. And that's, uh, I think, uh, that's Mike from the UK, right, Brian? I think he listens to our show every week. And, uh, man, appreciate the insight, dude.

Um, okay. That's what I'm going off of because he, Joker does, if you know him from the comics, he does not have an origin. even in all the incarnations in the movies they've all been different you know which people are probably going to hate me I think that Jack Nicholson was the worst

because they had him killing Bruce Wayne's parents yeah that's stupid yeah right so see I'm not super duper familiar with the comic books but I do like the way he put that man he looked like into the Joker psyche

and you know what I'm definitely Definitely cool with rethinking the idea of the Joker. He doesn't necessarily have to form to the stories that have already been written from him. Otherwise, what's the point in making a new movie? Right. Yeah, fair enough. Walking Phoenix is a bad dude, man. I'm hoping that they do this just as.

I think that they should do a really dark, really sinister Joker origin story. And if they go that route and not do some sort of comedy thing, I'm happy with it. Just don't try to put that fucking Marvel comedy thing on it that they do with every goddamn movie now. Yeah, Marvel gets comedy right, though. Yeah. I think this is going to be a standalone movie. I don't even think they're even looking at anything after this for this particular version of this character. I think that's what it should be.

I'm hoping it's a little more art house than in mainstream. Probably smart to do that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because like, okay, because we haven't talked about it, I'm going to stop us in the middle of our listener feedback and talk about the new Venom trailer. Okay. Well, that's all right. I mean, I'm sure our listeners are checking that out too, you know?

Well, because it leads into my thing. You know, you can't put that Marvel comedy on every movie and have it work. And I think that this is a movie that they're going to put it on and it's not going to work. Oh no! You think you're going to try to make Venom a comedy? Yeah. Did you not see the trailer that I saw? No, I guess. Is this the one? Is this the one where he called the guy a turd? Yes. Oh, Jesus. Venom was talking about eating this guy's arms and legs off and he could be floating around like a turd. Well, Brian. What the what is happening?

Brian, there's still time to change our movie for next week. Yes, please. It's your guys's call. I have to go watch. Bad times that El Royale maybe, please. That's your guys. Identity would be a good one to match with that one. I think that we

I think that we have to watch it and at least give it a chance. I don't, I don't, I don't. I mean, it's venom. It's a standalone video. I'm outboated. How is this not? No, no, no. Let it be written.

Let it be set. I'm outvoted. We're watching. How is it not a horror movie? I don't think that it is. movie, but it's stupid. I don't know. It doesn't look like one. That's my problem.

Oh, you mean the one I'm talking about? Bad Times at the El Royale? No. Venom. Venom? Did you say horrible movie? Horrible. Oh, horror.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very possibly a horrible movie. Oh, and real quick news on the PG-13 thing. Yeah? Because they think they're going to get sequels with Spider-Man in it. What? Fuck. You know what?

I'll bet you he shows up. I'll bet you anything. He shows up. I bet you I throw something at the screen. Do what? I bet you I'll throw something at the fucking screen if he shows up. Spider-Man? All right.

Yeah. Really? If Tom Holland, Spider-Man shows up. No, he will. He will. In this movie, then... Yeah, he will. I will get up and I will walk out to theater.

Dude, that's... Let me... You know what? That was, dude, listen, hold on. Listen, this is my conspiracy theory. That was part of the contract. When they were able to get Spider-Man for the Marvel Expanded Universe, they said, yeah, but you got to let us make a movie with Venom,

and you've got to let us have Spider-Man featured in it for at least like a 10-second cameo if nothing else. Watch. And I don't want Sony making any fucking Spider-Man movies. Yeah, that's fair. I don't I'm not sure I want Sony making

any Marvel movies period after watching this hey Brian what are your thoughts on writer and director Drew Guddard Cabinette's Ludd Daredevil TV show

Yeah he's He's okay I know there's been some things that He did that people didn't like Man I'm trying to sell you on bad times dude God damn it Identity would go really well with that.

You remember that movie Identity with John Cusack? Oh, yeah. Love that movie. Would that not be a perfect match? Those both look like great movies. We may have to do a double next week. You know what? I'm telling you guys right here,

I'm watching, I'm doing the double feature that day. So if you guys are up to it, I can do a double. I'm in. I'm in. The minute I saw this first trailer for this movie, I knew I had to go see it. Fucking out. I don't think I have anything scheduled for Friday yet.

If you fuckers are going to make me see Venom, so be it. I'll see it, Brian, just to laugh when fucking Holland shows up in the after-credit scene. Well, while you're laughing, just picture me throwing my popcorn and drink. Oh, I'll visualize it really vividly, man. Just straight up in the air. I fucking knew it. I'll probably throw it at the first person that gets up and gets excited for it.

Oh yeah, they'll be kids jumping up and down for sure. There's going to be somebody who goes, woo! It's just, if they do, what they're doing with this venom, it does not fit with what they're doing with Spider-Man, what Marvel's doing in the MCU. It doesn't fit.

Well? And I just, I don't know. We'll see. I mean, I hate to base it all off of a bunch of previews. It's just, right. Everything is sort of, loading up against this one to me.

And you know what? It could be fucking good for all we know. I could come back here and just totally admit I was wrong from the very beginning. But I don't think so. See how they do. All right. Sorry about that.

We'll go back to listener feedback. And more comments on the Chucky remake. Oh, we talked about that last week. Oh, boy. Here we go. Guess what Kevin Nez says because it's new. Brian, any ideas? Trash. Like his new country, it's hella trash.

Oh, real quick, happy birthday, Nez. All right. I forgot to say it because I was blown away how bad the predator was and I totally forgot to say happy birthday and also happy anniversary to the E-Society. They're going on their second year. Damn, you don't look a day over four. 40 East Society.

That's what it is, man. One year older, and he's turned into the get-off-my-law guy. Nez doesn't look a day over 80. Oh, fuck, I love you, Nez. I'm fucking with you, man. You know that. He's going to machete your ass. Stephen Loblad says,

Exacto. Ryan Stevens says, what the fuck? Actually, it's W-T-F, but I'll As has a cult going. Speaking of Chucky, fuck cult of Chucky. You got cult of Nes going on here, man. I think it's about to change right here.

Uh, yeah. Because Josh Youngblood, he says, I think it looks cool. I think it sounds cool, too. I'm actually looking forward to it. I hope he's right. I hope he is, too. Um, Gregorio Mirren and, uh,

what? Huh? Gregorio Miran, Annabelle Vibez. Okay. We'll take it. All right. That may have been a typo in there, so I'm sorry to whoever that was. Or they just put their name back. Oh, Annabelle vibes. He said this has Annabelle vibes. My bad, dude.

Mike Bachelor says Mexican knockoff, Chuckie. Or Chinese knockoff, huh? That's fucking funny. Set up the embargoes, right? embargo chucky we're gonna build the wall uh right chri pierre says yeah i'm not feeling it okay enough said

all right so a little bit split um a little bit not actually more people not looking forward to it but i'm hoping it does well yeah i i'm not looking forward to it but i really hope it does it's good i'm willing to give it i'm gonna watch it no matter what but you know o g chuck is my chucky. Oh, of course. Regarding the new season of lore,

have you guys checked that one out? Never, no. There was a podcast, right, Brian? Yeah, I haven't checked it out, Philip, because you didn't speak too highly of the, I think you said you've seen a couple episodes. Yeah, it's pretty

forgettable. It was a little bit boring. Josh Youngblood says hopefully the narration is better. than the first season. I think that was maybe part of the problem. Like, it's a cool idea, though. Let's see. Hellboy has been pushed back to three months.

Josh Youngblood says, hopefully that's good news, seeing as how January is a dump month, and April starts the summer movie season. Yeah. They got to have some faith in it if they're moving it to April. It's got a good cast. David Harbor, Sheriff Hopner

from Stranger Things Right Ian McShane Milo Jovovich Ian McShane is in it Yeah he's Oh my gosh I can't remember

The professor's name The one that raises Hellboy Well fuck dude No wonder American Gods Hasn't come at like six years Yeah You know It has been a minute huh

Jesus Christ Yeah I've already I've already watched The whole series Three times now I can't wait for the next season, but when the fuck

is it going to come out? Never. Hoping it's going to, hoping it's going to be good. Regarding the Fun House, which is the movie we're covering today. Lisa Cole says this movie still freaks me out to this

day. Okay. Well, I'll share my thoughts on that when we'll get to it. Yeah, me, me too. On the group page, Bede your mind. Hey, got it. All right.

Fucking first time. Yeah. Anyway, posted his 31 days of horror schedule for October and on day one his movie is The Bye-bye man. Beed.

You're done, dude. You're toast. Good luck. Yeah, no shit. Sounds like a long month to me. If that's the first day. Get it over with at the beginning. Wow. Man, I'm talking about ripping the Band-Aid off, huh? Samantha Bean says, I haven't heard of half of these.

Okay, most of these. Okay. But that's only because I've only been watching scary movies since I lost my bet. That being said, what are the titles of the movie that go with the two right photos? I have 35 of 52 complete, which leaves 17 movies left to watch to fulfill my bet. Those two strike me as interesting. Uh, Bede says, uh, they're, the, the ones I put on the right side of the picture, the strange color of your body's tears.

What's that? And summer of 84. Oh, I did check out summer of 84. That was a pretty decent one. I tried watching the strange color of your body's tears, but it's like, if you thought Mandy was an acid-fueled movie. This is more? Yeah, yeah. Holy Jesus.

That's terrible. I mean, it's not terrible. I'm sure it's great if you're in the right mindset, but weird. Very weird. Fucking faces moving and shit. Yeah, big time. Summer of 84 is very stranger thingsy. Very, very.

Almost an exact profile, but it's worth watching. Uh-oh. Also, the other two on the left are the old dark house and magic. Oh, magic. Santos Ella Jr., Brian. Yeah, magic was... With the pup, with the ventriloquist dummy, right? Yeah.

Yes, Santos. There you go. Nice. Rest in peace, man. Yeah. Samantha Bean says, ooh, they sound interesting. I shall add them to my list.

I have been trying to watch good horror slash scary flicks, not cheesy or lame. the last few I've seen have all been good Stephanie says I really like this one Pandorum oh Stephanie she says I really like this What was Stephanie? I don't know

You got me you got me It sounds familiar It's a movie called Stephanie? I wanted With an F or a pH? I could be wrong But I think it was a Blumhouse movie That they just didn't put out in the theater

Pandorum, which I've heard you guys talk shit about. I didn't think it was that bad. And delirium. Okay. Delirium, I can't remember. I don't know who she's calling out on that one, because I've never talked about that one. Oh, no, she wasn't calling you out. I have.

I was. Ah, okay. My bad. I mix in my comments to the user comments. I was going to watch. Hell House, LLC, the Abadden Hotel, when it dropped last week. But my husband was just leaving for a war fight exercise for three weeks.

And based on the first one, I knew I wouldn't sleep one wink with him gone. So that's first up when he gets back. I meant to watch that this week. Yeah? I've been hearing good things about the sequel. I've heard good things about both of them. I haven't seen either one of them.

Oh, the first one's good. Right. Cool. Yeah, we'll definitely check it out. And thanks to your husband. Regarding the new Gareth Evans, regarding the news that Gareth Evans will not do the Raid 3, Mike J. Marin says,

A good director knows his limitations. And that goes for the obligatory origin stories too. I don't care how Hammer Girl and Bat Boy met. I was speaking of a joke. Keep enough enough. All right. Very well said.

Yeah, I like it. Regarding the McNaz podcast, Stephen Lobel says... Shout out to Maz. Yeah. Stephen Loblad says, good exercise listening. Check that out. Cherie Pierre says, I want to go to a pumpkin patch.

Watch horror movies. drink hot cocoa and murder someone. You know, all shit. Oh, nice. Do we need to block her from the... Ryan? Should we be worried here? She's good.

We're going to be aiding and abetting one day. We're going to get called into a courtroom. It's okay. As long as it's only cocoa, she's drinking. Right. We'll see. Okay, fair enough. Emily

Lynn will play snake bite Andy in the upcoming Doctor's sleep movie Darren Wilson says Kind of looks like she'd be good to play the teen Chloe Grace Moritz Okay

I'll have to see that one Is she not sure who she knows Is she grown now Chloe? Who knows? I mean she's older than she was He still looks like a little kid Yeah, I know. She's at least 20s, though, right?

Probably late 20s by now, I would imagine. She may be 40, dude, the way time's flying. Who knows? But I'm not sure who the younger one is. I'll have to check that out. And that is it for feedback this week. Thanks to everybody who reaches out to us, especially you regular guys. We love you. Let us know what you think at the horror returns at gmail.

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And we'll get you a T-shirt as soon as we get that new logo in, is in the works, baby. We maybe maybe some things in the works. I won't say too much yet because we haven't really done anything about it yet. But there's been times. Right. Yeah, a lot of talking shit.

A lot of people we owe T-shirts to that we probably owed T-shirts to for a year. You know who you are? We're getting them. I swear to Christ, it's going to happen. We're waiting for a new, we're waiting for some new artwork, basically, because the Sons of Anarchy logo is awesome,

but it only goes so far, right? Right, Brian? Yeah. Yeah, and eventually we're going to end up getting sued for some shit. Yeah, that's what I'm worried about. I have to change up the music somewhere along the way to. O'yeyeyeye. All right, guys, on that note,

are you guys ready for the big shoe featured attractions? The big shoe? Like a clown shoe? get it let's let's have let's have a little fun at the hellfest and also talk about

1981's the funhouse a little bit of trivia the fun house first directed by Toby Hooper also known for Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Poultergeist writer was Larry Block also known for

1990s Captain America have you guys seen that abortion Rout row Gosh, that is But it's fun to watch to talk shit about. Yeah? Yes. There might be a theme going since.

1990. The film's novelization was written by author Dean Coontz under the pseudonym Owen West. Okay, a couple of things here. Director Toby Hooper was at one point nearly struck by a flying cog, but was saved

by an extra who broke their arm in the process. Holy crap. And one other thing, actor Kevin Conway agreed to be in the movie on the condition that he gets to play all three barkers. Can I go first? Sure. What is a barker? Yeah, the guy who says...

You know, the carnival guy. I don't know. Step right up. Step right up. Oh, okay, okay. I got you. All right. They're really human.

I got to. Alive. Alive. Live. Everything you see in here is alive. Okay. This is my history, because I'm the old part of the podcast here. I actually read the book first, and I did not know.

I had no idea it was Dean Coons. I didn't even know who Dean Coons was when I read the book. A little bit of additional trivia that wasn't covered in what I talked about. The book actually ended up coming out about a year before the movie. because the movie got delayed by reshoots several times. So I actually read the book by some dude named Owen West, and I was pretty young. I enjoyed it. I thought it was a fun romp.

And then I see this movie called The Fun House on HBO. I was at my dad's house. He always let me watch whatever the fuck I wanted. That's why I love to stay at Dad's House instead of moms. So stay up late. I watch this movie at midnight. It's called The Fun House. So I start watching and I'm like, wait a minute, I've seen this before.

And I'm like, how could I have seen this before? This is a brand new movie on HBO. Well, I had read the book and I had no idea the two were related to each other. So anyway, I saw this movie several times when I was young. I really loved it. I had a lot of fun watching it. I rewatched it a couple of days ago. What in the fuck was I thinking?

this is Toby Hooper this is really the same guy that directed poltergeist a year later come on something doesn't make sense here the fact that you can walk through a fun house and grab swords and knives

and axes that are real swords and knives and shit like that this is a mess this movie's a fucking mess I mean it's kind of fun I loved the little shout out to Halloween at the beginning where the kid put the mask on and went into the shower and opened the door and I you know what I'm a little

uncomfortable because it showed the tits was this girl of age do you guys think when they filmed this I hope so I think maybe she was of age but either way that scene is weird because it isn't her little brother why don't you guys take over here I thought that was my first reaction to that I was like wow that's yeah right yeah uh it was it ended up being her little brother that's trying to stab her and uh sorry spoiler alert but uh stabber with a little over knife in the one movie yeah uh stubber stabber with a rubber knife in the shower aka like a la psycho and uh and i mean the kid is like fucking 12 or something man you know he's got some hormones raging right and this girl is hopefully 18

Because there was a couple of topless scenes in this one. Yeah, and I thought that was fucking strange that nobody freaked out about this. I was like, why would you even include that in the movie? That makes things really awkward. Like, I mean, I've seen some stepsister stuff. Yeah, porn hub, whatever, but I think this was a little before that time. Aye, aye, aye. Aside from that, though, I, I.

actually kind of enjoyed this movie. It was super cheesy, but I loved the bad guy. I liked the freak show. They had me pretty invested in it. When he

finally took his mask off, I thought it was great. He was like an evil chunk. Is it junk from the Goonies? Yeah. Yeah. No, wait. No, that was Slah. Slah. Evil Slot. Okay. Sean was a fact kid.

Yeah, I know. I always get those too confused. Oh, update. She was around 19. Okay. Ah, okay. Because she looks like she's 14. Yeah, no shit.

I'm wiping the sweat from my forehead as we speak. Go ahead. But yeah, no, I mean, I think I did kind of enjoy it. It was a little bit of a mess and kind of all over the place with the plot. They were jumping back and forth between scenes. a lot, so it was hard to follow exactly what was going on. But since the story was not entirely complicated to begin with, it's not awful. Not terrible.

Yeah, I feel like it was kind of middle of the ground. It was a whole lot better than I expected it to be, but I had never heard of this movie. And my wife was super thrilled that we were watching it, and I was like, ah, great, a 1981 movie called The Fun House, this is going to suck nuts. and I was pleasantly surprised, man. I like the demon, monster, retarded kid. Yeah. Which is super politically, but you guys get the idea.

No, it's a good, it's a good, uh, killer there. Couldn't make that shit today, man. At least they had some backstory. What'd you think, Brian? Somebody'd get mad. Um, I think this is probably the worst fucking movie Toby Hooper's ever made. I, I agree. I was going to say that, man.

That is his, this is his worst film. film for sure. I mean, we, I do see the little, uh, they're paying tribute to Halloween in the beginning, but yeah, that scene was fucking weird. And it took, it went really long. Like, he's just creeping around slowly watching her in the bathroom. Like, okay, this is weird. I bet he was. And then, well, I mean, they wanted you to wonder who it was. I mean, they obviously, they wanted you to think it was a real killer. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then, it's just, a little, a little, a little bit. a rope for that man okay i will look game of thrones did it yeah oh shit philip and then as the movie went on it just fucking nothing happened yeah at all and i did not care about any of these people they got this

guy he looks like a like a low budget harrison ford the fucking bang guy i like i like the muscle I like the Barker. I like the bar. We were talking about Kevin Conway. I liked his character. I had no idea. He plays all three Barkers. So he's the British guy that says,

Hey, come on up. My sister's in here stripping. Come look in the tent. That's fucking weird, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That is not the best strippers in the world. No.

Although, you know, it worked for the circus stripper thing. Yeah. Yeah. When I was flip, Hey, guys, when I was flipping through the trivia to figure, out what to talk about. Those were actually porno actresses that they found.

Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, kind of like, what was that movie? You guys saw that I didn't that was remade maniac. They used porno actresses. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hey, man, got to keep it under budget. I thought you were going to start with

some sort of stripper story and I was getting excited. Oh, where were we? Oh yeah Your imagination Philip Yeah Nothing happened in this movie Nothing slow

And then the deaths were fucking just Eh Yeah I don't A lot of people get electrocuted Yeah And None of it made sense though

I mean How are you going to go underneath The fun house that's literally a A truck A trailer that you drive around And there's all these fucking Chains and shit like that Turning around

And big engines And fucking Fun House was gigantic too. Right. There was levels and just went on forever. Makes no sense. Yeah. It's like we're packing up in the morning. The hell you are.

It's going to take you two days to pick all that shit up. Right. The hell you are. I don't know. I don't really know what to say about this movie. I was really, it took me two watchings to get through this. It was boring. I think we need to move pretty quickly on.

our main attraction. Well, shit, man. I had to stop myself and rewind it a couple of times. Maybe it wasn't because my kids were talking to me and there's dogs jumping and shit going on everywhere. Maybe it was because it was kind of boring. Yeah. All right.

Well, I had fun with it when I was young and I enjoyed the book. But you know what? That's the other thing. The more I read Dean Coons, the more I realize he's kind of a hack. Not really that great of a writer. You know what I mean? And this was like supposed to come out. like a couple of months after the movie,

but it came out a year before because they fucked up and had to reshoot it or whatever. So, uh, you all ready for scores? Yeah. Can't think of a situation where the book was, the book was made from a movie and it was still good.

Yeah, exactly, man. Oh, the monster has a name. His name is Gunther. I thought it was boy. Hey,

that's what his name was. Yeah. Brian. time stand oh I do not have a question our friend Kupka there I do have a question

yeah um there was a scene in there that I was confused about uh when the boy fucked his sister no but equally as weird there was the scene when his dad was

telling him that he didn't mean to hurt him what And he'd been drinking or whatever. Right. And he was trying to tell him to do these bad things one more time, you know, because he'd already killed people and stuff. It was a pretty cool little monologue. But just the way that it started out.

And then, you know, the monster son or whatever was like standing off in the corner with his hands on the walls. And I was like, wait a minute. What did I just miss? How did he hurt him? That might have been in the reshoots or something, right? Yeah, I didn't. I don't remember because I don't remember

him putting his hands on him at all before then because he I don't either he killed the fortune teller that was jerking him off yeah and he paid her like a hundred dollars

which is an interesting scene yeah he thought he was getting a little bit more than a hand job and he didn't ended up killing the fortune teller and then told his dad

or went and got his dad and I don't remember him hitting him or anything huh I don't either he just kind of it was a very rapey kind of scene man it was a little weird I had a thought in my head that was like ooh

what just happened it did right and they weren't even really concerned about the fortune tell of dying it was the money being missing yeah and I just remember the monster Gunther is his name he has a name now it's just kind of flailing everywhere like knocking shit over so I don't remember him getting hit by his dad's

he was hitting himself and his dad was telling him to hit himself though. Oh, okay. Weird. That's weird. These kids are fucking stupid, by the way. That last scene where, like, the final girl is standing there and the monster is, like, hanging on the fucking hook or whatever.

And he's presumably dead, but she's still standing near screaming and watching him go by slowly. And, of course, what does he do? He grabs her. Imagine that. Yeah. Stupid people segment. There's going to be some stupid people segment in the next one too, I'm sure. I hope so.

I hope so. Always. Horror tropes, man. Philip, is this like a favorite of your wife's or she just remembers watching it? She didn't actually rewatch it with me. She just remembers watching it as a kid. Okay. Like me.

I loved it when I was a kid. I don't know why, but I loved it when I was a kid. Yeah. It just doesn't hold up for me. Okay. and I had never seen it scores uh yeah

who was was it Lance oh yeah yeah yeah yeah you know what if you had asked the 12 year old me the score I would have said 10 if you're asking the 50 year old me 3 and a half this fucking sucked it sucks

you know what kill me oh no I can't believe you know what immediately makes me hate this movie they were grabbing swords and knives and shit from the fucking funhouse that are props and killing people with them. That's so stupid. You lost me with that. It's a crazy fun house with like crazy circus people. But this isn't Mandy where it's supposed to be, you know, like on another dimension or something. I can't take it, dude. I'm sorry. It's three and a half. I'm not changing it. Who's next?

Uh, Philip. Uh, I'm going to give it a five and a half. I, uh, I kind of. I enjoyed myself. You liked it more than you didn't. Yeah, I think the, I thought the monster makeup was pretty cool. I liked that they're these crazy, corny folks.

And, and, and I think that, you know, they have obviously killed people in other towns, at least this, you know, crazy monster kid had.

Gunther. Yeah. Gunther seems like a pretty name. But, uh, yeah, No, I mean, it was worth watching once. I don't really want to watch it again, but it was worth watching once.

I was going to give it a four, but I'm taking half a point away because I just remembered the very weird scene. One of the brother got, I guess he got found by one of the other Carney guys. Right. And it just, the whole scene was weird when he was like wiping his face with the rag. And he was like, oh, he has a slight. fever and it felt really weird and awkward and yeah i didn't understand that one either i feel like maybe they edited a bunch of stuff out of this movie that yeah something got lost in translation yeah

so maybe we should all read the book and talk about the book next week huh maybe but for right now i'm gonna give it a three and a half wow i sure hope our next movie is better guys We shall see. I hope so, man. All right, but hey, here's the treat. And now, before we discuss Hellfest, we bring you loyal listeners a very special interview with screenwriter

of Hellfest, as well as last year's Leatherface, Seth M. Sherwood. Seth, take it away. And don't think it's going to sway our opinion. No, we're going to be honest. All right, cool. So that was the first movie.

Now we're going to get into the big one, but folks, before we do, we promise you we were going to have an interview with one of the primary contributors to the film. We've got joining us tonight, Seth Sherwood. How's it going, Seth? I am well. How are you guys? We're doing good, man. Thank you for asking. So we'll just jump right into the interview here. I think Brian had the first question for you. Cool. Yeah, Seth. We reviewed the trailer on the show for Hellfest, and we are super excited about it.

At this point, can you tell us anything about the movie, and what was your involvement? I wrote it along with a couple other people. That's a lot of involvement. Yeah, there's a long chain of writers that all, you know, all contributed. There were some very, there were some early version. like it sort of grew as it went along. The very first draft was like, you know, like a little local haunt on a farm.

And it was like kind of kind of more like the classic like, you know, somebody was wrong and he came back for revenge sort of thing. And then there was another draft where it sort of made it. So the people visiting the haunt were sort of prevailed upon. But then at some point the studio decided, no, we want this to be big. We want it to be like, you know, we want it to be like a Halloween horror night. like Universal or Six Flags does where it's like a big thing. And that's what I came on and basically started over from scratch

with just the basic idea. And because, I mean, I don't know anybody who's ever gone to a hunt and hasn't thought to themselves, what would I do if there was actually a real killer, you know, hiding amongst all these fake ones? So that's what I wrote. I wrote that movie. And then afterwards, I was off on a TV show

and Kayla Cooper and Blair Butler in turn both came aboard to sort of revise the characters a bit as things like casting and production came into play and put their own little spin on it as well. And then I came sort of back in at the very end when we were doing some final shooting for the very end of the film and, you know, just sort of short it all up. So there's a bunch of writers on it, you know, but we all kind of helped each other out. but without sounding egotistical, I wrote the first big chunk of the movie that still exists now, but Kaylin Blair also did quite a lot of work. Well, cool.

Yeah, we actually last year we were able to talk with Bobby Row and Zach Andrews. I don't know if you've seen The House's October Belt movies. Yes. But those guys are really cool, but it sounds like your synopsis kind of kicks the danger level up a little bit from those movies. Yeah, I mean, they just, you know, we wanted to be big. I mean, especially here in L.A., we've got three theme parks that do, you know, entire haunts, the whole theme parks are changed over for, you know, for the month of October. I know a lot of people have Six Flags, and, you know, we got Disneyland, which does a little bit,

but Natsbury Farm, Magic Mountain, and Universal Studios all completely switch over. We have a ride. We have some of the biggest haunted houses in the world. So just being here in L.A., like, I think the idea became like, no, we have to make it as big as possible. So we went big. All right, cool. Well, switching gears a little bit. We have seen Leatherface.

And I was just kind of weird curious what the path was that led you to get the gig, you know, writing the screenplay for that because that's kind of a high profile character, to say the least. I mean, was that like your first foray into horror? Is horror something you always wanted to do? I'm not been, I'm a genre lover in general. Like, I love crime. I love sci-fi, and I've always loved horror. Horror has always kind of been my favorite.

And I've been writing horror films for a long time and not really getting anywhere with them. And when Leatherface came together, the Millennium, the company who made it, they basically they had the rights, they'd done chainsaw 3D, which had made enough money to warrant a sequel, but a lot of fans were like sort of unhappy with the liberties it took and, you know,

some things were a little confusing, like if it was a direct sequel, why do people have cell phones, you know, things like that. And they wanted to, they wanted to follow it up, and they knew they wanted to do a prequel, but they didn't want to do something that was usual, and then they also knew that like, the budget had to be really, really small.

And around this time, and still now, to be honest, a lot of studios are looking for Blumhouse style scripts where Blumhouse has proven that you can spend $2 million to make a movie and then go off and make, you know, 20 on an opening weekend if it's good enough. Right. And so they, you know, they wanted to do that. So they were looking at, it was basically, I just kind of fell in the right position. Like Millennium was looking for non-union writers at the time

because it was a small project. I wasn't at the union in the union jet. And they wanted somebody who had like samples they could read that were done in the two to five million dollar space. And they got, you know, they found people that they'd met with. I'd met with them just on a general meeting because they'd read a couple things of mine. And they invited like six, seven people to give pitches. And I just had this, you know, feeling the day before I went in like, you know what, my pitch is no good. I bet everybody's going to pitch the exact same thing.

there's a very obvious version of a young leather face story. And I said, what if I did something completely different? Just for the hell of it, I decided to pitch that. Because really, I wouldn't want to write the obvious one anyways. If I pitched the obvious one and didn't get the job, it wouldn't be sad. So I figured I'll just go left field. And it turns out that I was only one that pitched them something really different. And that's what got me the job.

Cool. Growing up, when it came to Roeastern. writers or filmmakers, did you have any primary influences, anybody that inspired you? You know, if I look back to when I was really young and there were just things that I saw before having any awareness of who filmmakers were, like, you know, I was always either scared if I was really younger, sort of enamored if I was a little bit older by things that, like, you know, movies like, like Crepe Show or Poltergeist, all the great classics from the 70s and the 80s before I really had an idea of who they were. So, you know, as I got older and started really

sort of studying film more and paying attention to who filmmakers were, and I realized, like, oh my God, like, you know, like George Romero's made all these movies that I've liked, or James Cameron's made all these movies I've liked, or David Lynch has made all these movies I've liked. And like, you know, little by little as you build your education, you start seeing these patterns in, you know, in who you like. And I definitely, always drifted towards the more like a tour horror, you know, filmmakers, like the ones that were writing and directing and really sort of championing a vision for their films. Like people like Toby Hooper or, you know, or David Lynch to some extent,

who I consider a horror director, even though I know it's not traditional. You know, or, you know, even Kubrick to some extent with The Shining, like those ones that were really put together by a person with a singular vision were the ones that I think resonated most with me, even as a kid, even before I knew why they resonated, they just always sort of stuck in my brain because there was something special about them. Well, cool. I've got a kind of, I've got a weird question for you, man. I don't know if you've been asked this one before, but I heard a rumor you had some involvement in London. London has fallen? Yes. Is that true? What's the story, man? It was the same production company who did Weatherface, which is Millennium.

And we were basically, a lot of times when you get hired to write a move, you have your contracts, and your contract sort of guarantees you when you're going to be engaged. And it says, like, you're getting right, we're going to start you on the first draft here. You turn it in. We'll give you notes. We'll have you starting the second draft by now, so you can sort of plan your life. And, you know, so it's sort of scheduled when you're going to be doing work, when you're going to be getting paid. And I turned in the first draft, and usually you turn in the first two drafts.

they hire director, then you do a polish, and then maybe another draft after that. They liked the first draft enough. They're like, we want to go out with this to find directors. So we're going to, you know, we're going to push, you know, the engagement date for the second draft. And I was like, sure, that's cool. It's fine. That's no problem. They're like, but you know, we don't want to, we don't want to make you think that we're trying to like mess with you or mess with your contractor. Can you do this other thing for us in the meantime? And I said, sure, what is it? And they basically flew me to London for a month, about two weeks before. It was the greatest thing in the world.

It's what got me in the union. I got to live in London for a month. My office was next door to where the Lucasfilm offices were for filming Force Awakens, were like right on Pinewood, like right next door to Star Wars. And like it was this crazy job. And basically at that point I was kind of doing utility work where they were. about a month out from shooting and they had some pretty significant changes to the script. They had a couple different drafts from different sets of writers they liked elements of.

And a lot of times this happens where there's dual development where a script is written, championed by a director. But then the director leaves the project and the writers don't want to work without that director. So someone else is brought in. They write another script and what had happened was that they had two quality scripts that were similar that they liked elements of that sort of needed to be Frankenstein together. And so I was basically there. I was on set.

I was working with the director. We weren't shooting yet, but we were just very close to it. And working with the stunt coordinator and the DP, like they were basically, we were going around town, figuring out where the crazy action sequences are going to take place. Because if you've seen it, it's a ridiculous movie. And, you know, it was basically like all these disparate pieces were being pulled together right before they actually.

actually had to start shooting. And I was really doing this sort of utility work where I was taking this chunk from one script, putting in this sequence, the director and the DP and the stunt coordinator had just come up with. And then moving this scene to a place that the production designer had already designed

to build as a set. So it was a strange utility work. I wasn't doing a lot of story work. I was really sort of just putting these large pieces together into a workable script that they could then shoot off of. And then once I did that, the credit-head writer, Chad St. John, he came on. He's Gerard Butler's friend and his guy. So after I gave this skeleton and this big piece, this structure to work with,

then Chad came in and wrote all of Gerard's, like, you know, action movie dialogue and one-liners and all the fun stuff like that. So it was really, I didn't get credit on it just because, like, stretchily, what's on screen is me, but like all the dialogue, all the words, It's like none of that is me. Okay. And a lot of the work I was doing is I was putting these pieces that other people had written together. So it was really like a utility job.

And, you know, the guilds are cool with that. And I got paid for it. And like I said, I got to live in London for a month. So all in all, like, you know, and my name's on a movie that some people might, you know, consider bad. I think it's fun. But, you know, that's a movie that has a very specific audience. So, I mean, it was just wins across the board for me. And it was a lot of fun and very educational.

another thing that we brought up on the show before is light as a feather stiff as a board is there anything you can talk about any details um not a ton it's it's it's i'm having a good october health test comes out and then that comes out a couple weeks later okay uh that's just good timing for me um it's i mean i have these two projects in a row that are basically like teen girl supernatural horror which is awesome hey that makes a lot of money man It does, but yeah, it's basically Lattis and Feather is a teen supernatural soap. I mean, it's not a slasher. It's not hardcore horror.

It's like, you know, it's like a teen soap that has like a hard, like dark supernatural element to it. I don't know if boys do this, I never did as a kid. I'm sure some of us have, but, you know, the summer party game, Lanzer of Feather is stiff as a board. Most people know it from the craft because they played it in the craft. Sure. It's some regional versions of this game. When you play it, you're supposed to tell a story that predicts the death, the person that you're then going to levitate.

So these girls do this on Halloween night, and then they start to actually die in the way the game predicted, and they have to figure out why it's happening and what supernatural force is coming after them. And it's going to be dropped on Hulu. It's 10 half-hour episodes, so it's totally made for binging. And it's super fun. It's like, it's just like the talent,

the kids they got in are just great. They're all really good actors and fun. It was just, it was so much fun. It was just, I got a call in March to interview to be in the writer's room and I got it and we did four months in the writer's room where you just wrote the whole thing, got the whole thing down and read out

and they went directly to production shop the whole thing straight through in a few months. And they just wrapped a few weeks ago and now it's coming out. So I mean, if so, if you got teenagers, teenagers or if you, you know, secretly love, like, teenager supernatural horror shows. I mean, you know, if you like Pretty Little Liars, Riverdale, like, it's in, you know, it's in that vein. With that description, man, I predict, I predict 10 seasons. So get ready.

That would be great. I would like to buy any car, so that would be awesome. All right. Well, other than screenwriting, do you, do you have any other writing projects going on? Like, do you do any short stories or work in periodicals or anything like that? You know, I'm here and there. Every now that I submit something, I've published a few things randomly in a few spots. I actually went to writing school for prose writing, but, you know, I love it. But to be 100% honest, it took me two years to write a novel and about, you know, three weeks for it to be rejected everywhere. and had I sold it, like a first, the advance on a first-time novel is a fraction of what you get for writing a screenplay, which I can do in about a month.

I'm saying I'm motivated purely by money, but if I had been younger, when I went to college, I would have gone to film school. Like when I was, when I graduated from high school, you either went to NYU, UCLA, or USC if you wanted to go to film schools, you know, pre-digital filmmaking revolution, where now everybody has got a film. program. So I think that once I moved down here to go to school for writing to L.A. And then once I graduated and I was here and I was like, you know, in the midst of the industry, I'm like, I should give screenwriting a chance. It's like technically always really wanted to write movies more and make movies. I just never thought I would have a chance. So I wanted to prose instead. But then once I was here, you know, I just, I started doing that and focusing more on filmmaking. I mean, I have a novel that I've been working on for about a thousand

and years that whenever I'm between projects, I'd get a couple chapters done. So, I mean, you know, I'd like to do some screenplays, do some TV. And then, you know, when I'm ready to like sort of work less and retire, then I'll switch over and do the books. You know, there's less pressure. I mean, I could just sort of sit back and enjoy it because I do love that, the freedom that you have with the book where you can pretty much do anything you want to, whereas writing on screenplays are, there's definitely parameters that you have to work within. But for now, but for now, it's all filmmaking. I've got a few movies. I've got a movie coming out. I've got a couple movies in production. I've got other TV stuff happening. But, you know, long-term goal,

long-term wish is eventually to get back to pros and short stories and books. But for now, it's all filmmaking. What do you consider to be your greatest accomplishment so far in your career? I think we're in the middle of it. I mean, I think that getting Leatherface was, I was just so grateful for it. It happened. I like to tell people, a lot of people, a lot of people compare themselves to people who sort of break through at a young age

and do these big, amazing things. But most everyone I know, working in Hollywood is just as much of a blue collar slog as anything else. And like, I stuck with it. It took me like almost eight years from the point I decided to write screenplays to like really break in. And I got Leatherface,

when I was 38. And to me, that was, I like telling people that because I'm constantly comparing myself to people like, oh, well, you know, he directed this movie when he was only 24, and I'm like way older than that. And like, I, if you do the work, most people have to do the work. Not everybody just gets a big break like that.

So getting Leatherface, what I did, because turning 40 in my head was like the number I'm like, okay, I gotta like maybe think that this is a pipe dream. If I haven't made it by the time, I'm 40. So getting that space before I was 40 was great. But then the following year after that, I didn't have anything. I'm like, it's so hard. It's such a lottery to be able to like get a movie actually made,

to be hired to write a screenplay and to have it produced, naturally haven't come out. In some ways, like, you are just blowing out all the odds to like be able to get to do that. And it feels great. but to be able to do it a second time is when you know you've actually made it because like there's a lot of people who've had one movie

just like there's bands who are like one hit wonders they get that one song on the radio and they're famous and they tour for a few years and then 20 years later the guitarist is like fixing copy machines in an office somewhere not that there's anything wrong with that you know once I knew Hellfest

was getting made and like actually happening and coming out then I'm like, okay, I've actually made it in. I'm not going to be like a one-hit wonder. The fact that this movie is coming out within two weeks of the first TV show I've worked on and those things are coming out at the same time, like that's kind of like the my greatest moment that's happening now. And now the sort of job offers I'm getting and the things I'm pitching on, I'd like to say, I'm like failing at a really good level now.

Like I'm not getting tons of jobs, but like now I'm pitching to big studios. I'm working on, you know, projects with people like Amlin or Galant Herd, you know, like these, I'm working at a level, even if these things aren't happening, that like, I know that I'm, I've made it in because the people are asking my, asking for me to come and pitch. So, like, even if I don't get the job, the fact that I'm, like, pitching something with Amblin on my side means, like, I'm in the right spot. So I'm kind of, like, feeling like this is the greatest moment right now, and hopefully it gets better. So you're kind of like, this is this is some next level shit, yo. I mean, I mean, it's, it's making me a little less paranoid about, you know, not having a day job anymore or not like, you know, or like wondering if my kids can be able to go to college. You know, like, the fact that I bought a house in L.A., which is like crazy. I'm not going to lose it.

Like, it's just, you know, the idea that like, okay, like, I broke in, but now I'm actually going to be able to like make a living and survive off of doing this. Imagine that. All right, well, so leading into the next question then, like, perfect segue. I mean, what are your most important goals moving forward? I mean, you plan to keep writing? Are you going to move more to the production side? I mean, do you ever, like, plan to direct a feature film? Is that a goal?

I love to, yeah. I mean, I've done a few, I've done, like, I've done probably like 10, 12 shorts that no one will ever see because I did them in school and they were like zero budget and have, you know, my friends as ninjas. with wearing their hoodies and like, oh, they're just terrible. Like this, the sorts of things you're supposed to make when you're like 20 years old.

Right. You know, I've got like, and I've got one or two shorts that are decent that are out there that, you know, that, that I'm proud of. I would love to, I would love to direct. I, I don't know how directors make things they don't write, even though I've worked with a bunch of directors at this point, but for me, like, you know to write and direct and edit

and really like have that sort of a direction tour vision. I mean, that's 100% my goal. I'd love to do it as a feature, and I'd also love to do it as a showrunner in TV. And it's a bit of a lofty goal, because there's not many people who are able to write and direct their own films, and also be showrunners. It's a

very short list, and it doesn't usually happen to genre people, especially. So, you know, it's a dream, but thus far I'm doing, okay, I've got two features out, I've got a couple sold, I've got, you know, a couple TV shows in the works now, but you know, I's got to keep putting in time on TV shows and working my way up to the rooms. And, you know, if I can, that'd be great. The feature, it's, you know, it's just hard because with TV, if you level up in the writing room, you get

promoted from show to show from season to season. So eventually you get to a level to we're like, okay, the student's put in the time, he can run a show. With feature films, it's there's this, this ridiculous sort of catch-22, or no-lawful. will hire you to direct a feature if you haven't directed a feature before. I get it. I get it. I mean, like, a lot of times you have to, like, really come up in a strong way in another field, like, you know, as a, as a DP or an AD, or you have to have made, like, an indie

film of some sort. So sometime in the next year or two, I'll probably, like, call it every favor I have and try to pull together, write something that's contained and good that I do. know I can, you know, do for not a lot of money, but can still show off that I, you know, can direct to some extent. Hopefully I can make that happen and pull it off and show that I can actually direct and beyond that, then, you know, maybe hopefully somebody will give me money to do it bigger. This is a little bit of a two-parter question.

Do you feel like this is the best time to be a writer and have opportunities? And also, do you see any challenges coming up for people who want to break into the industry? story. Um, yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, it's a good two-parter question that I could actually sort of answer at the same time. What, uh, there's, what's harder is, right now we're at this point in time where studios really only want to spend money on pre-existing IP. That's why there's sequels. It's why there's remakes. Adaptions. It's why there's superhero movies. It's why there's Star War. I mean, like, these are,

movies cost so much money to make to some extent that, you know, the studios want to know that they can have a return. So the big money means that they want to make sure everybody working on that movie is the best

person possible. So the people making million dollar screenplay deals are people who've been in the industry forever or already have like huge hits. It's very, very hard to get into that zone. I mean, I've been working study, you know, for the last like four or five years, and I'm still not even close to sort of breaking into that, that bigger space. It's really, really, really hard. But what the reason why those movies cost so much money, it's not even

because of the IP at this point. Like studios at this point really have three advantages. And one is that they can market a movie. They can make sure everybody in the world knows it's coming out. They have the clout and the money to basically, you know, shut down like the downtown of a big city so they can blow it up and do some crazy action sequence. And they can afford, you know, they can afford the movie stars. And they have the pipeline to the theater chains. What they don't have the advantage of, they always used to have the advantage of is technology. Technology has reached a point where anybody can make a feature that looks and sounds super professional, as long as they know how to work that equipment that they're renting.

So to that extent, I think it's, there's a ton of opportunity for writers. There are so many people out there dying to make films. And if the writers and like the unsold writers and the unproven directors can get together, they can really make great things. Netflix is dumping out like 700 movies a year. And the vast majority of those are acquisitions. You know, they're not making, they're not funding those. they're basically buying them and distributing them.

And there are opportunities across the country. Like I said, when I was in high school, you had to go to UCLA, USC, or NYU if you wanted to be a film student. You can live in the middle of Nebraska now and make a movie and rent gear and get it done. And you can, if you want to break into Hollywood, it's very, very, very hard. And I feel like you kind of have to be here. You have to be like hitting the pavement in Hollywood. and it takes a long time if you don't know anybody. But you can be in the middle of nowhere

and have the gear and the equipment. It costs nothing to write. And it costs a little bit to rent some equipment. Like you can be making your own opportunities if you're out there. I think that's 100% true. Here and now in this time, technology for filmmaking is so readily available

that there's no excuse not to be making your own thing. I mean, even if it sucks, just make it so then you can make the next one be very, better. You know, like if you want to move to LA and try to break into studio pictures, you can do it, but it's a slog. I mean, I wish I had made, like I said, timing had been just a little better. And the digital, you know, filmmaking revolution started just five or six years sooner.

Like, I would have been making films instead of just coming here and trying to break in as a writer. But, you know, it's all money too. At this point, like, I want to work at a level that's big enough to be seen. So I'm putting in my time in with studios and networks and trying to work at that level because I think it'll benefit me later. But if I was 20 years old and lived in the middle of nowhere like I used to, I would 100% just write whatever I wanted and pick up a camera and make it. Great answer, man. All right. I'm glad we asked that one, Brian.

We were question. And I would say if you just make your own thing and it's actually good and decent, then it will get the attention and that's a shortcut into hollywood sure look at people like you know like gareth edwards gareth edwards pops to mind like makes a cool indie monster movie and then gets to make a star wars movie yeah doesn't happen i wonder what's going to happen with uh uh uh you're familiar with ari auster the guy that just did uh hered hereditary yeah i see big things for him man i'd love to see what he does next for sure um all right well look here's the this is our universal closing question everybody we interview. We always ask this, are there any special foundations, charities,

or programs that are, you know, near and dear to your heart? And if so, how can our listeners get involved? I'm a big fan of Child Soldiers International, which is all their money goes, goes towards helping, like, relocate, educate, and deprogram children from third world countries that have been co-opted into armies. Child soldiers, you said? Yeah. Okay. Did you see like a beast of no nation?

That's, uh, absolutely. Yeah. Everything about that is, you know, sadly real in some way. Um, yeah, child, child, child dash soldiers.org is the one I look. Yeah, that sounds like a good one, man. Um, so obviously we're going to end up, we're going to wrap up with pitch, man. Where can our listeners follow you, man?

What else do you have coming up? What do you have out there that we can take a look at? Well, I mean, obviously, big when Hellfest comes out in about a month and then a couple eight weeks out. Well, by the time this plays, man, it'll be out, brothers. We're doing this early. That's right. Yeah, so September 28th, Hellfest comes out.

And then two weeks, a couple weeks later on the 12th of October, light as a feather, comes out on Hulu. Okay. There's another show I worked on called The Unsettling, which was going to be on the Go 90 mobile network, but Go 90 went away. So I think that's being repurposed. I'm not sure when or where that's going to show up.

Watch for it. It should be cool. And, you know, I've got other things I can't talk about yet because I'm still pitching on them and they're still coming out. But if anybody wants to, like, you know, keep up with me. If they're into that sort of thing, I'm on Twitter at just Seth M. Sherwood. And I have a, you know, Facebook pro artist page, same name, just my name.

And, you know, whenever I know something I've worked on is coming out, I try to talk about it. But yeah, other than that, I'm sort of, you know, I'm just waiting for these things to come out. And nothing else has been announced yet. But, you know, I've got stuff planned for the near future. So my kid can keep eating. So it'll be great. All right. So we should kind of search for you as Seth M. Sherwood, right?

Yeah, the regular Seth Shortwood is a travel writer for The New York Times, and he does not like getting Leatherface hate mail. That said, if you're a hotel and you accidentally want to offer me, like, a free trip somewhere, by all means. That's another story. I get it. Brian, anything else you want to ask, man? Or we cover pretty much everything, right? I think we did. Seth, it was great having you on.

Oh, super fun. Thank you, you guys. Yeah, we appreciate it, man. So that was our interview, folks. And now on to the feature. All right, that was our interview with Seth M. Sherwood, a screenwriter of Hellfest. And now let's talk about the movie. A little bit of trivia.

Hellfest was directed by Gregory Plotkin, also known for paranormal activity at the Ghost Dimension. Plotkin has also served as editor on a couple of movies we really, really enjoyed, including Get Out and Happy Death Day. Oh. Yep. Okay. Writers, Seth M. Sherwood. I know that guy.

With Blair Butler. All right. Trivia. The Killers Mask was designed by Tony Gardner's All Terrain, Inc. Which also designed the Killer's Mask for Happy Death Day as well as Scream. Well, that's That's some bona fides right there for sure, right? Yep

Oh, fuck. Now, I read this and I was thinking, God damn it, I just got season passes for this chain, but it's for next year, damn it. Listen to this, guys. As promotional material for the film, the production team designed a walk-through haunted house experience

to be visited by patrons of Six Flags Amusement Park located in Los Angeles, St. Louis, and Chicago. Ah. Fuck! Missed it! Yeah, God damn it. Bitches. This house is...

Well, maybe we should make a trip, guys, because this house is scheduled to be open on select dates from September 28th through October 31st of this year. So, hellfast. Who wants to go first? I'll go first. first watching this movie I really want to go to hellfest hellfest seems like it would be an amazing thing to go to minus all the the killing and stuff don't don't want to get killed

that would be bad um this is I I I don't know what to think of this movie I had fun in some parts and other parts I was a little just kind of like eh it was moving kind of slow And that's kind of weird to say Because this movie was only an hour and a half long And it just kind of I don't know I wanted things to get going and One problem I do have with

Slasher movies Slasher, you know, killers that pick up knives It's too much It's too much stabby stabby And not a lot of other things Going on Yeah And that really bothers me

Some of the characters I did like Some of them I completely hated And just couldn't wait for someone to get killed. Really? Yeah, there was a couple. I was just like, just die already.

Can I ask you now or should we wait till spoilers? We'll wait till spoilers. Okay. But I think overall, in the end, I think I did enjoy the movie a lot more than I thought I was going to.

It just, it took too long for things to get going. And then when it got going, I don't know, I'm trying not to spoil it because there's some things I want to talk about. Yeah, say that for spoilers, man.

Okay, yeah, one of you guys take over, because I'm about to spoil the shit out of this movie. All right, I'll go. I think I'm probably with Lance, and I imagine this is exactly the way he's going to start his. I'm not trying to steal your Thunder Brother. I was hoping this movie didn't suck. And, man, I was pleasantly surprised

with it. There's a lot of horror movie tropes, and it's definitely a little bit campy, but it's also a slasher movie. I actually kind of liked the characters. It made me feel like I miss having that, you know, being young and hanging out with that college group of friends. I had like a middle-aged moment. And I liked their interaction.

actions between each other. I think female actresses were definitely overshadowed their male counterparts because they sort of got lost in the sauce. Except... You think so? Except one of them. And we'll get to him in a little while. And I was... I can't say too much about him yet.

But yeah. And they're definitely... I feel like there should have been some more creative kills in it. I wish there had been. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, too. There were a couple of really great creative kills. Yeah, there were. There was a couple.

Okay, well, we'll go into detail later, right? Yeah. There was a couple of really good ones, and I feel like they had so many more opportunities to make really cool creative kills. And then, like Brian said, it got a little stabby, stabby. Which, it's a slasher film, I suppose that happens. Yeah.

I especially liked the very, very end. of it. Stay tuned for that. I enjoyed myself, man. I liked it all. A whole lot better than I thought I was going to. I was really worried it was going to be bad. Well, I'll tell you this. When the movie started, I definitely enjoyed the character development.

I thought they did pretty well because you know, I've got a grand... I've got a granddaughter that's 12. I've got a grandson son that's 13. You know, I raised kids through the 90s. I know, you know, I know how these kids are and how they think. Fuck, I was a kid. Kids minds don't really change.

We're pretty much all the same from the 80s to the 90s to now. I mean, we think about the same shit. We do the same shit. We fuck up on the same shit. I thought it was pretty realistic. I'll tell you one thing, though. This has got to be the best fucking haunt ever. Right?

Holy shit. Where can we find a place like this? Because Philip, dude, last year we went and hung out at a haunt and we interviewed the guys from Philip, what were the movies,

The House's October Belt, right? One and two? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Bobby and Zach, right? Yeah. And then we fucking hung out at that haunt and got the VIP walkthrough

and all that shit. And that was fucking awesome. But, Damn, dude, if there was something like this, I mean, when they fucking say, hey, let's go get some shots. And I'm thinking, holy shit, why the fuck don't they make something like this? You know what I mean? I have something to say about that. Drought people at a haunted house is a bad idea.

Well, you know what? I guarantee you, I've never in my life. I'm going to tell you right now, my lips to God's ears. Never have I walked through a haunted house and not carried a, you know, a. tiny bottle with me in my pocket or something. That's true. I suppose we did pregame a little in the car on the way to that last one,

huh? Well, let's get real, guys. When we were parked. It adds to the fun. I mean, no harm done. It's cool, man. But I'll tell you what, this, I was fucking impressed with the fucking light, the lighting of this, the set design, the decoration, the costumes.

When they had that one, you guys remember the wide shot where it showed the entire park with all the people in line in all the different attractions. Fucking rave going on. You know what? It's not far from that.

Hats off, man. Hats off. They did a good job of putting this together. Visually the movie is good. Character development on the movie, I really appreciated it that they were, I've talked about this before. I love it when movies show

the younger generation and it's realistic. It's about like, oh, gee whiz, or you know, I'm really good and I'm really evil and blah, blah, blah. They're all shades of gray, just like we were when we were growing up. There's nobody that you could point out in this movie and say, that person's a douchebag, that person needs to die. There's nobody you could point at and say she's definitely going to be the final girl. You thought you were going to?

Nah, you kind of watched you're going to. But I will say that she shared the spotlight with at least, somebody else. Yes, that's true. I was a little bit, I was, this was not what I expected. I thought it was going to be really paint by numbers, and I was pretty impressed. I thought the character

development was really good. Visually, the movie was a lot of fun. My problems come more with lack of fleshing out, which we're going to get into later. I wanted, this is actually one of the weird ones where I wanted more. I was like, it's an hour and a half long

movie, perfect. It's going to tell us the entire story. We're going to know everything we need to know. We're going to understand the complete origin of the bad guy, and we're going to get it all. My complaint is we didn't get enough of that. My complaint is I was so short. We'll go into that more in detail later, but what do you guys think? I'm okay with that part of it, actually. I think that that was cool. That's why I really like that last scene. Because you don't know about the bad guy. He is just a dude. yeah I'm totally fine with it too

yeah I hope that wasn't too much of a spoiler no that's cool I mean you guys want to talk more or go to scores and spoil or what scores and spoilers because you just say Scooby-Doo right okay originally when I left the theater

I was at a five but I've had a couple hours to kind of sit on it and think I'm a little bit close I'm a soft seven I'm gonna go seven damn you jump from five to seven? Yeah, I had to really think about it and listening, because I wanted to kind of hear what you guys had to say.

Okay. And you guys kind of pointed out some good points that I do agree with. And yeah, I'm gonna go seven. Five would have been really low for this. Yeah, I feel like, I feel like seven's a good story. I think that that, I think that's where I'm gonna sit to. it was a really enjoyable one to watch maybe uh you know it's come out just in time for yeah good timing haunted houses you know what i mean so go see this one with a friend after having a couple of drinks before you go to the haunted house don't drink and drive get an uber or some shit but you get the idea right this makes for a fucking good night i think it was a it was a fun time um It's definitely not going to be a classic movie.

I'm not going to be, you know, watching it every year. But it was really realistic in that haunted house style. And if you've been to any of the newer haunts that are pretty fucking fantastic, this sort of fits right into it. It's definitely on the upper echelon of them, though. Good stuff, man. I was impressed. Yeah, I was wavering the entire time I was watching it.

I was wavering between six and a half and seven. And I was like, let me see what the end does. If I'm happy with the ending, I'm going to go with seven. If I think the ending sucks, I'm going to go with six and a half. I went with seven. So we, again, we haven't done this in a while, guys, but we're 777, which is, what do they call that, like the perfect number or something like that? It's a lucky Luke Giano, huh?

There you go, man. All right. So all seven. I don't know why I did that. Bottom line, do we recommend that our listeners check this out or not? Yes. Absolutely. Like I said, man, check it out before you go to a haunt, man.

It makes for a good night. Yeah, that would, especially with a couple of drinks, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's just, I don't know who was in charge of set design. We'll get into that later, but that's fucking, it was awesome. I wish we had a haunt like this here. All right, guys, spoiler. Spoiler time?

Spoiler. Who's first? I'll go Um Yeah Like I said It was a little slow at a certain point Like when you

When he kills that first girl Right That I believe they said was in a different town at the time At the very beginning in the movie Yeah yeah From the time Prequel part or whatever Yeah from the time she dies

Till Uh One of the group Members finally dies That was a little too long In between for me A couple of years they said right well just time

I'm talking about during the movie later they said it was hey remember that thing two years ago or they said something on the news or something like that well and it was part of the lore to the thing I kind of like the way that they set it up like that because I mean you have to get some sort of character development before anything actually happens

and it's sort of hard to start out slow and get invested in these teenage group movies well we we only really we only really got to know the main girl ish i think everybody had at least a little bit of a story and uh and and and a little bit of personality like like in unfriended there were people that i just i was like oh can you please

oh shit please right you hated them but i don't in this one i didn't i don't think i felt that which i was curious to ask you brian about who you thought should die Oh, the guy I have an idea The guy that got his head He'd smashed him with the mallet Oh, you didn't like him?

I love that kill. No, no. I thought that was a great kill And I loved his character. I loved him. The kill was awesome. Yeah, I loved the kill. I don't know.

He, I mean, this girl is kind of throwing it at you and then you're just kind of I don't know. There's something about him that just bothered me. And then... Maybe he was secretly gay, huh?

I don't know. And then he gets confronted in the locker room by the killer, which he doesn't know is the killer. And the guy's kind of bumping him. And he's just, I don't know. He was a little bit of a puss. Did the guy... Hey, did the killer start singing,

Ain't nothing wrong with a little bump and grime. But it did lead to an awesome death scene because that was a nice head explosion. Probably the coolest one in the movie. That I think was my favorite. I love that. Uh, second coolest one, I would have to say, is the needle to the eye. Oh, I fucking love that. And it wasn't just the needle, because it, it kind of, it creeped me out because you saw the needle slowly go into the eye.

And then, and then he just jammed the whole thing right into his head. Yeah, that was pretty good. Very nice. Very nice. I sort of hated that that guy died, though, man. I really expected him to, uh, to make it through to the end. And he was kind of a puss, but I really, I thought that. it, he embodied the 18 year old nice guy, you know? I mean, that was his character.

That's part of the movie though, dude. Think about it. That's part of the twist. You didn't expect that. You thought he was going to make it through longer, right? Oh, I absolutely thought he was going to make it through longer. I thought he was a better actor than either of the other two guys. And I loved his responses.

I loved his charisma with the other chick, even though she was throwing it at him almost. I mean, you could tell that. She's more of a of a standoffish kind of girl. She's not as like promiscuous as her best friend. She's got a little freaking her because the friend was talking about how. Oh, he said, he said some about, he wants you to sit on sit on his face. And then she was like, really? Did he say that? Yeah.

She's got some freaking her. Yeah. Oh, she's got cleavage in this one. There was some cleavage. Yeah. Yeah. It was nice. I wish the one guy would have got a better death scene

the other guy the bland other guy where it was like just a stab and then turn around another yeah that was my problem such a fucking waste yeah and I didn't like the one chick dying I liked her the one that kind of looked like an elf

wearing like a bike no the punk truck chick yeah the little elf fucking chick with the look like she had a biker cut on I don't know what her thing was going on, but I like her movie. Yeah. Yeah.

So, okay, see, I expected you to say her. But yeah, I really liked her too. She was a little over top at the beginning, but she didn't break from that character. She stayed pretty overtop the whole time. That's where I felt like I didn't get enough of the backstory because they have an issue with each other. Yeah.

And she just kept referring to her. grade school. Yeah, they never said. Yeah, grade school was their nickname for her. Yeah. Well, and I guess they could have gotten into that, but I don't know. I think that the way they did it, they had and I thought

about while they were doing it, if they hadn't shown you that the killer was actually the killer at the beginning, then maybe they could have gone through a trip with the viewer as far as you know, is this, is it just a really good haunted house,

or is this guy actually trying to kill us? Is he actually stalking us? You know, like the way that the kids were going through. But I think that I like the way that they did it, where they showed you that he was the killer at the very beginning, and you know that this killer is after these kids, and you have to, you're waiting to see when they realize it, when he does something that makes them go, oh, shit, we need to get the fuck out of here.

So, oh, no, I'm sorry, go ahead, man. Didn't mean interrupt. Oh, no, no, no, go ahead. Because I was, I think I was losing my train of thought as I was talking anyway. Yeah, but, hey, before I forget, before I forget, the part of the movie that did kind of bother me a little bit. Uh-huh. So you had the scene where she went on the little ride, which was an absolute callback to the fun house, right? Those shitty little cars.

Um, and then the, the car stopped, and the dude started coming toward her, and she was locked inside the car, right? Uh-huh. And then she comes outside. you know, just fine, and he's like sitting there, like looking right at her face to face. But then you look around and there's three or four other people with the same fucking mask on. Where does that tie into the story? I think that those were just characters that were in that section of the park. But it was the same mask, right?

Yeah, I think that the killer knew that he had been to the park and fucking, like he wasn't stupid. He wasn't just some psycho killer, which I think was part of the point of the movie. I kind of didn't like that. He had been to the park. I didn't like it either. I didn't like it either, man. And I didn't know what could bother me, man. Yeah, I didn't like, because at no point in any other part of the park,

did you see anybody with similar mask or anything? Yeah, that's what I'm saying, dude. At the end, a little, when they tackled that guy. What the fuck? I'm sorry, go ahead, Phil. Well, at the end, when they tackled that guy, he was wearing the mask, and it wasn't him. I think he was just dressed up as one of the little extra. in that section of the park, you know?

Yeah. I thought that that was cool. It showed some sort of premeditation on his part. He wasn't just showing up and throwing a mask on and killing people. Ah, so he did his homework on what they wore when the different characters were in the fun house. Okay, cool. And he obviously knew the layout of the place. I mean, he was following him around, and he wasn't just sneaking through the fucking haunted house.

Plus, it was something that he could blend in with the staff with. and they wouldn't say anything. Yeah, and it was cool because they took time to show he went through the metal detector and he was fine. Because all of his weapons that he picked up, he waited until he got inside the haunted house to pick him up. Yeah. I thought that was pretty clever. So, yeah, he knew what he was doing. He'd been there before.

I do respect his Jason Voorhe's skills. Yes. Because he never ran. And sometimes it seemed like he teleported to different places. Yes. that happened at the end a little too yeah he's very stealthy I think

I think my only issue came at the at like during the final scene uh because because you end up with a lot of those horror movie tropes where you know they they knock him down and have the upper hand on him and instead of fucking doing something about it

they just keep running so that he gets up and chases him again so they're in the exact same boat that they were in five fucking seconds ago yeah so so Phil for our outro music you got to do that I get knocked down but I get up here that's a great idea all right that's all right foe show we're just sitting here pissing the night away right yeah uh no man I but but I still think it was a pretty enjoyable movie I it was weird that that scene where they um they ended up in the masks and they were

like hiding from the dude Oh, that was actually cool, man I thought that was awesome It was a cool scene, but what is it like right behind them? Yeah, but I mean, you gotta, you know, you gotta have a little bit of disbelief, you know what I mean? Suspent a little bit of disbelief because That was really cool, dude.

Actually, when I saw the trailer and it showed that room with all the white mask, I thought it was a cult. I really thought we were headed. And that's why in that one, That's why that scene bothers me where she was on the ride and he was sitting right in front of her. And then

they showed the other two guys with the same mask because I thought, ah, here we go. This is where they're all in the same cult together. Oh. Yeah, that turned out not to be the deal. So I thought there was a pretty clever way for them to hide. Yeah, that's not what I thought

when that scene happened. I thought, oh, he's wearing these masks because these people work here. He's fucking with these people big time. You figured it out, brother. Yeah. But yeah, you have to suspend belief a little bit because there's, at the very end, when she's like, she teleports into that other room and he trips across and the door opens and suddenly she's there. Like, she's the fucking bad guy.

GER. Like, you couldn't have done that 10 minutes ago when he was laying on the ground, but whatever. Yeah. All right. So here's what I, here's what I want to ask you guys. even though he was only in the movie for about 30 seconds, as we figured he probably would be for a short time. What did you guys think about Tony Todd's performance?

Awesome. Great, yeah. A welcome cameo, man. That is amazing, huh? Definitely a cameo, but they could not have cast him any better. You do hear him throughout the movie, though. Oh, yeah. Over the intercom.

What a voice, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Very, very recognizable. Yeah. Cool guy, man. And so the very ending in the movie, I really enjoyed that he was just a guy. He was a guy who had like suburban dude with a daughter, you know? And he comes home from this slaughter fest and she's like, Daddy.

And I was like, oh, that was just a regular dude. He is insane. Yeah. And Philip, I love the way you break these movies. movies down to their simplest. I mean, dude, you're so, you're, out of the three of us, I think you're the best at figuring out

what the screenwriter meant with these films, because I was so pissed off, dude. When it ended, you know how I always say, God damn it, that movie was two hours that should have been an hour and a half, or that movie was two and a half hours, it should have been an hour and a half. Yeah.

This movie was an hour and a half. I wanted two hours. I wanted more. I wanted to know more of this dude's back. story. But you know what, Philip? Now that you put it that way, we can be satisfied with what we got, right? Yeah, I think so, man. He was just a guy. It could be anybody.

Every man. Yeah. All right. On that note... Be your fucking neighbor, man. Could be me. Yep. All right. So, since we got that interview in here, we don't want to make the show too long. You guys ready to pop out

until next time? Yeah, let's just hope that they actually do make a real hell hell fast. Oh, wow. I'll be the first one there. And I hope they have stronger drinks because they was drinking throughout this whole movie and they seemed perfectly fine to me.

Well, that happens when there's bad guys chasing you with knives. Yeah. Sia, you just don't grow up pretty fucking quick. No shit. The little punk rock elf chick, she should have been fucked up because she had shots left and right. She had her little flask with her.

That was a cool flask. the little bracelet flask thing. Oh yeah. Fucking the death scene for her. God damn it. They had it going so cool and then they didn't do it. I know, man.

Stabby, stabby. Yeah. But God damn it. Take an extra 10 minutes and make a scene out of that. Oh. You killed two main characters. Hey, but I will give props for this. And this goes right into what I hated about

my rewatch of the fun house. How they would grab like swords and they were like real swords and it like that. So when he put her down and tied her up, and then the fucking guillotine fell down on her neck, of course he didn't cut her head off. It's a fucking fake guillotine.

It's a fucking fun house, right? And he had to look at it and feel it. Yep. I like that. I really like that. Actually, to me, in my mind, that was a call back to the fun house calling out the bullshit of the fun house. Maybe.

They even had a line from the fun house. All right. When she was saying, please, please don't kill me. I promise I won't tell anybody. Right. It was straight up word for word line out of the fun house. Now, Seth, if you're listening,

shout out to you, brother. Yeah, it was homage, man. I say you did that. All right, so as always, we want to thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Horror Returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You can reach us at the Horror Returns at gmail.com.

Brian. Where else? Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Tumblr, everywhere. Just type our name in. You'll find us.

We are infinite. Or you can type saddle up. Ah. That may bring you back some weird results at first. Yeah, I was about to say that. Speaking of weird

results, Philip, what's going on with iTunes? man uh well check us out on iTunes leave us a five star review and uh as soon as we get our new design in we will get you a t-shirt and it may not be here right now but it's better to have one coming to you

you know what I mean how much does it hurt you're gonna get a shirt eventually all right I'm going off the reservation officially I'm taking my script Brian you you take time every week to write this script out.

I'm gonna take your script, Brian. I'm pissing on it. I'm putting a lighter up to it and putting it on fire and I'm throwing it in the trash. Well, that sounds... Very nice. Yeah, because guess what, asshole?

You picked Venom, you cock sucker. Guess what? I like how I picked Venom. Yeah. You said it was my movie at one point. Yeah. Well, we're on the air right now,

and we are recording live. So this is what I'm going to say right now. We are putting up a poll effective right now. As soon as we get done recording, Brian, we're going to put this poll up online. Listeners, what do you want us to cover next week? We have two choices. Choice number one is Venom and Splinter.

Brian, what is Splinter? Splinter is a 2008 horror movie. that involves like a parasite that grows on your body and takes over. I don't want to spoil it, but it kind of went with the whole venom as a symbiote. I don't know, they keep changing the phrasing of it. It sounds sexy. Yeah, I thought it went good with venom, but apparently my script has been pissed on. And thrown in the fire.

Oh, yes, yeah. No respect. It's not burning well. It's not burning well after getting pissed on. I think I'm going to see that movie anyway, because it sounds badass. So any way you look at it, I'm probably going to check that out. Or what are there other options? Well, here's what pisses me off, guys.

Venom. I do not want to see this movie. I do not want to review this movie. Yes, you. I don't even want to talk about this piece of shit. Of course you want to watch. Well, you guys have bitched about it too. It's going to be terrible, but I still want to watch it.

Well, we're going to watch it anyway. But can we at least be democratic here and give our listeners a chance? Sure. So, choice number one is venom slash splinter. Choice number two, Brian, I propose this. Bad times at the O Royale coupled with identity. Are you guys open to letting our listeners decide in an online poll which one they want to see? Fine with me. I'm watching all of them anyway, so.

I am too. John Cusack, man. Old school. All right. Well, we're going to get that poll up right away. Actually, by the time you guys hear this, it's probably already going to be up, but I'm probably going to try to edit it tonight and send it to you, Phil. because as you guys know, I'm going to be in labor camp all weekend, helping my mom. Labor camp.

Brian? Digging holes. Brian, until the horror returns again. Good night.