The Horror Returns - THR - Ep. #123: Splinter (2008) & Venom (2018) (Reupload)

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

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I'm Lance, and with me as always, you're my co-host, Brian and Philip. And we got a guest in the house tonight. Jay, Jared, Robert A. Dick. What do you prefer? You can call me anything you want. Just don't call me late for dinner. What's been going?

Or Shirley. Just work and work and more work. Yeah. Yeah. Finally get time to take some time off to actually watch something to actually get prepared for something so I could do something cool like this. Bad ass, dude.

Brian, you guys getting pretty cold. old up there yet? Actually, it was pretty nice today. It's been raining in the last couple days, but the sun was out today, so not yet, not cold yet. And we're getting

the opposite over here. We just barely got some rain. I'm in Northern California, by the way, and we've been needing rain for a long time, so I'm, like, on the opposite spectrum of Brian over there. Loving the cool weather now. Yeah. Yeah, we've had

some rain here in Texas. You guys getting in Galveston, Phil? Oh, yeah. There's still a little lake in the empty lot next to us. And we finally played our first Little League game in like a month because we've been rained out. Holy shit. Yeah. And they looked like a bunch of kids that have had no practice.

So that was pretty. As it should be. Yeah. We got a slightly humiliated. Wow. That'll make you all, that'll make them all the more determined. for the next game, man. Yeah, probably not.

I don't think they seem to hear. We're going to drop the hammer. That's what we're doing. We're going to get rough. But we'll see how we go. So how's business, man? You're starting to pick up some clientele down there within 90 or 100 miles of where you live

instead of everybody up here in spring still? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been maybe driving up to the north side once a week. Cool. The rest of the time, I'm pretty much hanging out down on the south end. Much better. Much better. A little less mileage on the truck.

I got a new one, by the way. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Still got the Jeep, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my wife's daily driver. So I just needed a new work truck because mine was falling apart.

Well, that's a good time to get one. I'll take it. Yeah, I had a big week, guys. A friend of the show, Darren Wilson, that writes into us a lot. Uh-oh. Yeah. He has a podcast on Legion podcast, The Cycle. Semantic

podcast that he does every other week and I I guested with him on that man so we go out of our way not to talk

politics on the horror returns and his show is all politics oh that's fun so it was pretty cool man he said you guys have an open

invite if you ever want to come on so nice really really cool guy so Darren straddle a fence over there

right thanks again for the invite Darren well we got a lot to cover tonight. You guys ready to hit it? Yeah. Yep. Let's do it. Let's do it.

All right, Jay, what's your cool of the week, man? I got two cools of the week. Number one is I get to hear Brian's sexy voice live. Number two is So, like pretty much everyone's, a lot of folks are doing, they're doing like the 31 days of Halloween and, you know, I'm into my second year being able to do that with my daughters. And the, yeah, and the first one we chose, actually.

took three nights to finish. And it is the many series from the 90s of Stephen King's The Shining. And that is definitely my cool of the week because it's, to me, it's extremely underrated. You know, it sticks a lot to the book, which I really like in the book. I think Stephen Weber, who played Jack Torrance, is severely underrated. I mean, he does a good job as Nicholson. So, yeah, let all the hate. Let all the hate come in.

You're going to get a lot of hate now. Probably not. Yeah, people really got to check it out. Is it slow in some parts? Yes, but then, you know, again, a lot of Stephen King books are slow in some parts. You've got to draw out the character. And I got to agree with Stephen King on this when his problem with the original shining was Jack Torrance. Jack Nixon, although he did a great job.

You know, he did a great job on what the script told him to. But my issue with Jack Torrance and the original shining is he was kind of, of already crazy and insane from the beginning. And I get it. You only got an hour and a half, two hours to get through all that. The thing with the miniseries allows you to do, because it's what, about six hours long, so you gradually see Jack Torrance going from normal, family, loving, all that, and you gradually see his insanity reach a boiling point.

So I just, it's a cool of the week for me. I've been wanting my daughters to watch it for a long time. I know they've seen the shiny a couple times, the original movie, which is still good. But for me, I'm going to pick the miniseries. of the movie any day of the week. Wow. Damn, strong words, man. Yeah, you're going to get a little hate mail for that one.

Oh, yeah, but people, they got to be able to watch it. I think most people are going to just watch the Shining and go to Jack Nicholson automatic and just go from there. But you got to give Stephen Weber his shot. Right. I think a mini series or a TV series, either one, lends itself better to, like, a book, adaptation than a movie does because like you said i mean you only got a couple hours to tell that story and it may be a whole lot longer than what they need yeah i mean exactly exactly and um and

unfortunately what you get from a miniser especially that's on regular tv prime time is you're going to get tv version the only good thing about it is it was in the 90s so tv started to take a turn and you can throw a little bit more than you wouldn't now you can probably get away with a lot more on regular TV, maybe like a AMC or Fox these days, but it was pretty decent. I mean, you didn't get all the curse words and the naked scenes, but, you know, it was still good for what it was. You know, for TV, for regular, I think it was like ABC or one of those, one of those guys. It was still good enough. Yeah, really good. Try it out. Folks, try it out before you knock it. You know, naked old lady in the bathtub, huh?

There is, but you don't get to see the naked bunch. Kind of like Ready Player One a little bit, huh? Yeah, a lot like that. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Gotcha. What else to check out, man? That was pretty much it. With all the work I've been doing, I have very little time for anything at this point. So that's about it.

Except for two movies, we're going to review later. I'm going to get mine out of the way, if you don't mind. So y'all can go ahead and fuck with me now. And tell me what an idiot I am. But, man, I actually, my wife drug me to the movies last night. By the way, went ahead and signed up for AMC A-List, the 1995 a month. Nice. I've already gone over the 1995 and what the tickets would have been.

So it looks like it might pay for itself. But we went to see the Cradley Booper movie. Oh, cool. I've heard a lot of buzz about that one. I think we're probably going to see it next week. You know what? I wanted to see that as soon as I saw the trailer. So, yeah, no.

Yes, I really wanted to see that. Surprisingly good, man. I'm not going to lie. I was interested, too. Yeah, I think you guys would be happy with it. It's, uh, be ready to, uh, there's some depressing shit big time, but, uh, some parts in it totally caught me off guard. I, I purposely stayed away from reading too much about it or knowing any of the stuff

that happens in it. But have you guys seen, I think there's been like three or four versions, right? Didn't it start out with Judy Garland or something like that? And then I think there was another version in the 70s or something. Oh, that makes sense. I think it's one of those stories that's been done over and over again. But I don't know.

I was trying to figure out if it was a true story or if it's just something that they came up with out of nowhere or a remake or whatever. I guess it's a remake. That makes sense. I don't know, man. I see, I'm looking it up. There's been about freaking 30 versions of movies with a name,

but I remember the one with the 70s one had Chris Christopherson and Barbara Streisand. Oh, that makes sense. That was a pretty big one. And then I think the 1954, the Judy Garland one, but it shows like 1937. Like, so shit, maybe this story goes way back.

But, all right. Now, would you throw in one? Mark Wahlberg with rock star kind in the same. In the same. Yes. It's totally totally fucking. Jennifer Anderson. Classic.

I'm really interested in checking out the queen movie. Oh, yeah. That one was going to be in a rhapsody. Oh, yes. Yes. I'm there. Oh, yeah. My daughter is a big, huge, huge queen fan.

In fact, she's got a record player, and she actually plays the vinyl records and listens to Queen. So she is so amped to go watch this movie. And the guy who's doing it, I mean, man, he looks, he looks on point. I mean, he looks pretty good for this. So, yeah, I'm anxious to see that as well. Yeah, he's a weird-looking dude, and so is Freddie Mercury. Yes, he is. Well, I'll go.

I watched, well, Hap and Leonard, finally caught up on that, but we'll talk about it. Nice. And that in the next episode. All right. All right. Next three episodes, right. Yeah. Yeah.

But I think my cool of the week this week had a little cameo from Venom. I watched American Horror Story and I'm almost caught up with it. Oh, you're loving it. The new season. Yeah, it's kind of cool, man. It's different. fucking love it, dude. And I never finished Coven. I don't think I, I don't think I 100% finished the hotel series either.

Hmm. You didn't know. Was Coven the third season? I only went through the first three. I know, and I stopped after three. He was either the second or the third, something like that. Yeah, asylum is the second. Yeah, asylum and the UFO shit was the second one with, uh, yeah. So I think the covenant was a third one. That's with, uh, the first one with Kathy Bates, right? And the witches and all that. New Orleans. Yeah, yeah, that was the last one I saw. So, but yeah, I feel like they're doing it right. They've got a new twist in every episode. Like, just when you think you know where it's going,

it's almost got like a fallout feel to it, like the video game. And just when you think you know where it's going, man, it takes just a left turn on every episode. So it's gone full circle at this point. I think I've got three four. And it's not too, and the left turns are not too crazy. They're like, oh come on man that's getting so they're actually pretty decent you're like so yeah oh no i'm asking yeah yeah because i want to i guess i'll give it a shot yeah they're uh they're a little crazy okay but it doesn't take you out of it so far um yeah i've just got to where the uh the witches are showing up and it's it's starting to i think bring it back together because at first the first few episodes it's it's like oh i think i know what's happening who the fuck is that guy

He's a what now? Are there demons? What is this black guy? What is this guy? Not black guy. A guy in a black rubber suit. In the rubber latex suit. That was my venom cameo.

Ah, okay, I get it. Are there any reoccurring characters? Now, I know the actors are all reoccurring, but are there any characters from in their previous seasons that are back? Yes. Ah. There's a lot of them from Coven. Ah, okay.

And that's the first time they've done this, right? Yeah. Where they've actually brought a character back. Okay. Nice. I think it's the only season that's not just straight up stand alone. But I don't think that you necessarily have to know what happened in the other seasons to watch this one. Because I'm not super familiar with it and I'm getting it.

It's fun. I like it. All right. Good deal, man. Of the week. Cool of the week. Uh, I said I wasn't doing the 31 days of horror Halloween, however you want to put it. But, um, I am.

Of course you are. You're doing 31 days more this week. But one movie I'm going to talk about, which is kind of, it, it's something's borderline. Cool, not cool. I got another one. Uh-oh. The new Netflix movie, Hold the Dark from director Jeremy Solnir. Oh, yeah, I saw it.

Yeah, people know Jeremy Solnir for Green Room and Blue Ruin. Oh, fuck, dude. I forgot all about this, man. I saw it on Netflix. I didn't actually watch it yet. Yeah, it's super slow. Yeah? Yeah.

It's really slow. Is Maken Blair in it? for a second. He did write it. Yeah, he did write it. Yeah, it's slow. The kills are what you would expect to see in a Jeremy Solnare making Blair movie. But it was slow.

It took me like two times to watch this. I did fall asleep during the first try. And the ending was just kind of like, what the fuck? Kind of lame? Yeah, I don't know. And I've seen quite a few people on Facebook did not care for this movie. Apparently, I'm not the only one that fell asleep during this movie. He finally hit a groaner, huh?

Yeah. But other than that, I'm doing the 31 days of horror. Nothing really, a lot of rewatches. So nothing really big there. That's generally what it is, right? You've got to get your, your, your, your, your, your, year, Lee's out of the way. Yeah.

Can't win them on. You can't win them all. James Wan is doing Aquaman, so. That may be his mess, huh? I'm pretty sure. Yeah. All right. Well, that's cool of the week, Brian.

You got any horror headlines to bring our way? Kind of, nothing really big going on. I got a little bit of non-horror news and a little bit of horror news. It's New York Comic-Con right now. now. So a lot of stuff's coming out. Mostly D.C. I guess they're moving ahead with this Birds of Prey movie with Harley Quinn,

and they've casted a bunch of people. Rosie Perez, Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Is it Winstead or Winstead? How do you say that? I think Winstead, right, Jay? If you're West Coast, it's Winstead. If you're West Coast, it's Winstead. I don't know.

Okay. Fair enough. I'm going to go with Winstead because I don't think it's a little too close to mine. There you go. Good call. Rosie is still alive? Just side note. Yeah, no shit. I'll tell you what, between Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Margot Roby, I hope there's some pretty low-cut costumes, man.

Oh, there will be. It's a female-centric movie, so. Oh, so Margot Robbie, she's reprising Harley. Quinn. Yeah. And a continuation. Oh, okay. Yeah. And who else? Journey, Smollett Bell. I recognize her face. If you see her face, she popped up in a lot of movies. Okay. Grow power. I hope they go burning some bras. Yep. All going to be, they announced the release date of February 7, 2020.

Okay. Some more casting news for Swamp Thing. Derek Mears. A lot of people know him. I guess famously, he was Jason Voorhees in the Friday remake. He will be playing Swamp Thing. Okay. And Blast from the past, Jennifer Beals,

a lot of people remember her from Flashdance. She has been cast in the show as well. Wow. What does she look like now? She's, I mean, she's older, but she's looking pretty good. Yeah. I'm not mad at it. And this is really slow and horror news. The only thing worthy of talking about is Michael Chavez is going to direct the Conjuring 3.

And he is currently, he had made this movie for, it's called the Curse of La Lorona. And it's based off, it's a Mexican folk tale. And I guess this movie is, it hasn't come out yet, but they got a lot of faith in it, that they're giving him the Conjuring Three. Yeah. La Yerona. She's the crying woman by the lake. Yes. Yes.

Yes, yes. And is it still the Warrens? Yes. Oh, nice. Okay, cool. Which is interesting because they are due to pop up in Annabelle 3, too. Wow. Same actors? Yep. Speaking of, you know what, I think that's probably how cool the week I missed. I picked up the double DVD, the Blu-Race set, The Conjuring 1 and 2,

so my daughters and I can watch that for Halloween. 20 bucks, both of them, and then you got a little fun cop of Annabelle. No. Yeah. Yeah. That and I got American Werewolf in London for like five bucks.

Like, they got to watch that. Yes. Dude, those are probably two of the greatest modern horror movies. Yes. Definitely.

Definitely. Let's see. Yeah, The Conjuring 3, and we're getting it pretty soon here. They got a release date of July 3rd

next year. That's cool. Yeah. Right in the middle of summer. and that curse of Lalarona if I'm saying I feel like I'm saying it wrong April 19th next year also

Yarona Oh it's two separate movies I thought you were saying that she was going to be The main protagonist in the No no no I'm sorry If I said that wrong oh yeah I was getting that I was getting that too Okay okay I'm an idiot

Two different movies Yep Apparently he's already made the curse of Lalarona and based off of what he did in that movie, which is obviously not released yet, they're giving him to Conjuring 3. Ah, got it, okay.

Lance and I are a little slow. We're on board now. We're good. Yeah, we're getting there, man. Hopefully he does a better job than than none. Oh, gosh. Which is the highest grossing movie in the conjuring universe, officially.

Yeah, right. Why not? Wow. Well, at least that means more movies. At least that means more movies. They have more hits than misses, wouldn't you guys agree? Yeah, but that means they're moving ahead with the Crooked Man movie, which I think is absolutely unnecessary.

Yep, that's going to be dumb. Yeah, which you hope they don't take the theme and the way they did the nun and apply that to future movies just because it made more movie. You know, that's what happened to the DC world. They said, oh, dark night was great. Let's make everybody dark. Yeah. My fear is the crooked man is going to end up like the first Annabelle.

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of the same thing as the nun, but not even as cool of a character. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, there was absolutely no horror news, so that is it. All right. We got plenty more to talk about starting with a little trip somewhere, Jay.

I don't know where we're going, man, but you got to guide us along, brother. down to the trailer park we're going to look at the big the small and yeah definitely the very very weird this week I would say oh yeah Brian you get us covered on all three yeah we're gonna we're gonna start with weird

first trailer we're gonna talk about as possum starring Sean Harris directed by Matthew Holness you guys tell me what is happening in this trailer It's intriguing, I'll tell you that This one looks like one of those Good slow burns

The way I take it is I think that guy Is looking for the kid, right? That's what I'm getting at it Like he didn't have that kid disappear or something I just take it he's looking for him Oh, I have no idea what's going on No fucking idea, dude You guys were on your own on this one

I was kind of on board and then the spider showed up I'm like, what the shit? and that then i got lost i feel like it's going to be very um like simile heavy uh right i got you porical kind of movie yep yes yes um yeah right so i'm i'm i'm cool with that i mean it it it looks completely weird and insane but like in a in a mother kind of vibe uh but maybe not quite so crazy wow it's that good dude i'm there I'm not saying it's going to be that good,

but it does, it does look better than the trailer gives you credit for, I think. Yeah, very intriguing. And I recognize the guy in the movie. I had to look it up. I wasn't sure. He is, if anybody watches,

watched the last two Mission of Possible movies, he is the main villain that was in those movies. That's where he's from. Yes, thank you. Oh, I didn't look him up, but I was like, where is that guy from? Yeah, good call. John of the did.

Oh, wait, not sound. Was he in the John of the Dead? No. I don't think so. But that guy was a possible. Wrong guy. Wrong guy. Ignore me.

I'm just going to compare it out. Awesome. Coming out October 26. Okay. And on to our next trailer is Welcome to Mercy, starring Lily Newmark. and Ava Ariel Binder This is directed by Tommy

Bertelsen. What did you guys think? This looks badass, dude. I can't fucking wait to see this one. This looks like it's going to scratch the Exorcist Itch. And it might also kind of scratch that itch from the American Horror Story

Season 2, The Asylum. All right. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Hell yeah.

Yeah, I... I wasn't paying enough attention to this one. I watched it 10 minutes ago. I can't remember what it's about. It's going to be one of those mysteries at the very end. You can be like, ah, ah! That's what the whole thing was about.

Yes, yes. It's got that kind of vibe to it. Wait for the twist. Better be two demons. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm not sure about a release day, but it is set to come out this year. so when I release day comes I will inform everybody

Lance you wanted to talk about Daredevil season 3 which just dropped its full trailer hell yeah what did what did you think Jay first of all I was like Lance wants to talk comic book well sneaky sneaky sneaky um this looks pretty good you can admit it yeah just like he really likes Dane Dahan he doesn't want to admit it

so uh no this actually looks pretty good. It is really, it threw me for a loop at first because I don't remember the end of the defender. So I don't, I'm not sure why he doesn't have his outfit. Uh-huh. You know, he's, because he's running around like in his season one street clothes, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then you get that little, speaking of twist, you get that little twist at the end. You see, uh, you see, what's his name, kingpins back and it looks like they're flipping the whole thing where, you know, he's, he's doing thing to make it look like he was the good guy the whole time and it was it's daredevil who's the bad guy and all that so kind of flipping it on the side yeah this looks good man this is this is the one

netflix uh marvel that has been consistent and i'm actually looking forward to the next season yeah so yep looking good yeah yeah i'm looking for i love the fucking fight scenes in daredevil they always get the fight choreography right don't you think philip oh yeah absolutely fight scenes are the best and probably any of the Marvel movies that I've seen, including... I would agree. And you know what it is? It's because it's not like he'll hit you on the chin and you're out and you're gone. I mean, he has to fight these guys.

He has to really fight these guys. You know, hit him a couple times, stung against the wall a few times. So it's, yeah, the choreography, the realistic, it's one of the best ones. Yeah. Good point. John Wick style fight scenes. I like it. Yes.

Down and dirty. You got to do the double tap, right? Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. I want to thank Jay, first of all, for bringing up Dane DeHan because I was trying to figure out a way to weasel him into this episode. Work him into the conversation.

Score. I just got five points, guys. Yeah, this one is very, looks like a very kingpin heavy, Vincent Donaprio. Oh, yeah. He's got the white suit. Yes. Oh, there you go. Kingpin style.

I love that guy and everything that he does. I loved him in that dumb ass rings movie. I knew he was going to bring him. Had to go there, huh? But I like Vincent and not real. So, yeah, dude, if he's trying to carry this season, sign me up. I like it. I hope Punisher makes a couple of cameos

because I liked him better in Daredevil than I did in his own series. Yeah, I still haven't even finished his series. I think I had three episodes in. I never finished. Yeah. Yep. It's slow. Mm-hmm.

uh jared double uh yeah october 19th not too not too far away wow right around the corner i better i better finish up uh iron fist season two pretty quick then hi good luck i started that well i'm giving it a try man i i i watched the first episode and then i got caught up in uh finishing hap and leonard and now i'm into mr mercedes which by the way season two mr mercedes probably my not so cool of the week god damn Oh, really? Man, the first season was so fucking on point with the book,

and then unfortunately, fucking Jim Law let me know that they kind of skipped the second book, and they jumped to the third book, which kind of pissed me off to begin with. But it kind of makes sense because you get the same villain, and they probably had them under at least a two-year contract. But they're going so far off the reservation from the book. It's like, which I guess is cool normally,

It's like a different take on it, but it's just the first season was so fucking good, man. I'm only two episodes in, so I'll give it a chance. But God damn it, why they have to do that? Sorry, guys. The books were good. All three of them. All three of them, man. I actually.

Finders keepers, man. It's awesome, right? It was good because it was so different from the first one. You know, and it was great, you know, like any trilogy on the third one, you go right back to the first one. You know, like Daredevil is going right back to King. Oh, good. So that's what most Trilogies do.

Maybe they just try to avoid that. I guess are they only going two seasons and they're done? That's, we better not say too much, huh?

For people who haven't watched it yet? Well, I don't know. I mean, there's only three books. It's a trilogy book. So I'm not like, spoiler or anything. It's just,

if they're skipping book two, or will they make season, unless where they make season three book two. Who knows? Yeah. I don't know, man. I guess we'll find out

Really quick guys I want your opinion A couple trailers that came out In the last couple weeks One I really am Looking forward to And the other one I don't give a shit about The one I don't give a shit about is the new X-Men

Have you guys seen that one? No No Fortunately I haven't Uh oh they're coming to pick them up though You hear that? I know they need to Yeah, is it the actual X-Men or is it just another mutant?

They're coming for Brian Seeger. Oh, he's not even directing this one. It's Simon Kinberg, I think. Who? I think he wrote the X-Men movies. The new ones, the new ones, the younger, the first-class trilogies? or let me look at it I mean there's so many mutant

movies and TV shows coming out I can't even keep track anymore can't keep them straight huh? Yeah so I mean is it is it an actual X-Men with like oh wait a minute remember a Deadpool 2 where he Spoiler

he comes across the X-Men because they were both like filming their movie at the same time is it that movie Yes it's that cast Wouldn't be the greatest thing in the world if you get that scene from the X-Men's point of me. They're in a meeting? They're like, what's that noise?

And there he is, and somebody just shuts the door. Well, considering every movie that has a comic book character, and even most of them don't now, try to have that Marvel comedy to it, I imagine that's going to happen. That would probably be the best part of the movie, huh? It would, and it would probably make the movie. Like, yep, I spent 10 bucks on this movie. It sucked, but I got to see that Deadpool scene. so totally worth it.

Seven on ten. What was that? What do you think, Brian? About the Dark Phoenix. I think it's pointless. I mean, when the Disney Fox merger goes, they're rebooting it anyways.

Right. And yeah, Simon Kinberg, this is his directorial debut. He wrote two of the considered the worst X-Men movies, Apocalypse and the The third one in the original trilogy X-Men last stand

That? That guy? Wait a minute, wait a minute. Wasn't that The Dark Phoenix as well? Yeah. So he's O for two in the Dark Phoenix is going to seem like And is it a little early for the Dark Phoenix? I mean, the Dark Phoenix character happens when she's a lot older or whatever, right? Yeah.

So make him too quick. Yep, I'll avoid it. I'm good. and the one no no Wolverine in this one no no nope no x-men no wolverine dude uh he'll he'll pop up he'll pop up they're gonna and the one the one trailer i'm super excited for is bumblebee have you guys seen the new trailer not not too excited man not you guys not really really this movie looks like it has heart. And the design of the Transformers, it looks

straight from the cartoon. It does. It does. The only one I saw was Bumblebee, which it looks like a mixture of the transformer and the original, but StarScream, I think you got like a quick couple of seconds of StarSream, and he looks just like the, you know, like you said, just like the

original. So it's, you're right, it does look like it has a little heart to it. It doesn't look like it's just going to be and it's not my way. And it's not Michael Bates. That's my problem. I've always had the Transformers. They weren't characters.

They were just more fried props. And if you give the character, if you take that, even it's CGI and whatever, you give that character, make it an actual person you care about. That's what makes the movie, man. That's why I love the Peter Jackson King Kong because he was an actual person.

I'm going way off the rails. But his character was an actual person you cared for. No, when I saw it with my daughters, they were crying at the end when he dies. Spoiler, King Kong dies. But that's what made the movie. You've got to care about these characters, whether they're a robot, a rubber tire that's rolling down the road. Yeah, I just tied that in. But it doesn't matter.

But this movie looks like it's hard. I'm taking a long time to get to the point. But, yeah, I'm on for it. Thumbs up. I'm good. Yeah, I mean. Hey. A lot of people can get things.

about it. Gotta be better than the last couple of them. And I didn't even hate the last couple of them. I'm actually going to bring up Transformers later also. Of course. All right. And yeah, I think our stay in the trailer park is done. A little extra long stay. All right. Double wide, huh?

Yeah. Double wide. I like it. Speaking of double wide, Philip, just exactly how much feedback do we have? A double wide version of feedback? We got some. A whole big old septic tank full. No, no, don't say that. No, I just...

Nobody will ever write in again. Yeah, you're right. So it's just nothing but Patrick calling in. Oh! Solid gold. Dude, solid gold feedback. Zing. Solid gold.

You listen. Because, you know, the listeners tank is the trailer part. Never mind. Listeners are the ones that run the show here. So let's step back. Let's get out. of the spotlight let's let the real stars of the show step up here all right uh we got marcus will turner um i think i'm going to add two shows to my 31 days of horror

thon and uh just binge them in their entirety in one setting uh that's a lot uh the haunting of hill house and castlvania season two ah a couple of netflix shows now the haunting of hill house is the new one, right? Yes. Okay. Yeah. I've heard good things. I really want to watch that. Is it out? Next Friday. Next Friday. Castle

like that. Netflix show. All right. Yeah. A lot of people love that, man. It's an animated show. I think it's only like six episodes a season or something. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's real short. Yeah. I've seen half of the first season. It's pretty good. Yeah? Is it better than

that other Japanese animation I made y'all watch for what was it the one to go with the movie? No. No. Was it Death note? The one that was like

like 67 episodes in season one or something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm not

really in the anime. Yeah. Yeah. Death note proved that for me. Let's see. Belko experiment. Is this still Marcus? Yes, sir.

He says, Belco experiment offers solid intensity and plenty of blood, yet something seemed a bit off. Maybe being spoiled by Battle Royale or even Hunger Games kept this particular plot rather routine in retrospect.

Or maybe I suspected more creativity in its violence overall. Still the progression from corporate banality to Crimson Free For All was interesting to see, especially from a minimal self-examination standpoint. All in all, not too shabby.

6.5 out of 10. That's pretty good. Well, you know what? This one was missing that the other panic in the office that came out that same year had, right? What was the other one that came out the same year, Brian? Better Royal.

Yeah, with Glenn. Mayhem. Oh, Mayhem. Yeah, okay. Yeah. No, no, no. What this one was missing that it had was my other hall pass. Almost forgot about her. Young Ms. Beaving. Oh, Samara. Samara. There you go.

Feast was a definitive blood spattering romp of creature feature that managed to not only delight in its own gore and carnage, but significantly play around with the horror tropes and stereotypes that would have seriously diminished. its execution. This one danced wildly to the beat of its own drum and I was pleasantly surprised as it made the most of its tight runtime with gritty style.

Looks like this 31 days of Horathon is off to a great start. Rating 8.5 out of 10. I don't know that I've ever seen Feast. I'll bet Brian is. Yeah, it's been a while. I know the guy that made it, he won that HBO contest,

that show. What was it? I checked Greenlight. Yeah. Oh. Hmm. I'll check that one out. Still Marcus. 31 Day of Horathon number four.

Despite an interesting setup and strong camera shots. This small... Oh, and I think... I didn't mean interrupt, man, but I think this one... It didn't get in the notes, but is that newer movie Jackals? Oh, okay. Like a home invasion movie? I was waiting to run into the title of it.

Okay, Jackals. So despite an interesting setup and strong camera shots, this small gem of a feature doesn't deliver on the moral struggles that befall our characters, nor does it offer any overly violent moments to the aforementioned buildup. As it stands, it's just a wasteful return to the talents of Stephen Dorff. Oh no. And the omages that would have further impact, that would have had further further. impact if given a truly bloody conclusion to the lead to.

A great attempt, but lousy payoff. Four out of ten. Oh, Marks. Kick him right in a jackals. I think our podcast is, I think we have found our own four on ten, our four on ten, guys.

Fucking Marcus, dude, those are some great-ass reviews. No, shit. Thank you so much, man. I like it. Gene Turner, listening to your latest podcast,

and you all seem disappointed with the new Venom trailer. I'm willing to bet the hardcore comic book fans hate it, but I haven't seen a lot of comic book movies, so I bet people like me will like it. How could you go wrong with Tom Hardy? That's what I thought. He's such a badass. I've liked him in everything I've seen him in.

To me, it looks like a great popcorn movie. Patrick Lear says it will probably be just that, a popcorn movie. Yes, the hardcore comic bands will have hated this since it was announced. That being said, at least this venom is an improvement on the venom we got in Spider-Man 3. Tofer Grace. He's right, though. He's right on Tom Hardy. I'll watch anything.

Tom Hardy does the Loretta Lynn by Op, and he plays Loretta Lynn? I'm on board. He was a good actor. He's great. Yeah, he's great in a dude. Okay, maybe Fatsy Klein. Oh, Jesus Christ. Stephen Lobelad says, I think Kevin and Lance should go see it together.

Okay. All right, Stephen. That'll be a shit fest right. That's where the septic tank. Spoiler. Just told your thunder. You could say fucking hella bad or what? I guess we'll find out in a little while here, huh?

Yeah. Let's see. It looks like venom is. taking the lead in our poll about covering it, uh, or bad times at the El Royale. Um, well,

but wait, bad times at the El Royale is not out yet, is it? It's next week. My mistake. I guess that's why we did Venom anyway. Yeah, if you look at the description on our podcast last week, we talked about,

uh, uh, putting up venom against, uh, bad times at El Royale because, uh, Lance didn't want to watch Venom. But bad times at El Royale is not out yet.

Our mistake. but hey guys he's on alaskin time give him a break guys come on do it live trying to catch up all right it

do it live um patrick clear uh looks like venom since the other one is the following week there you go good news uh good news uh goosebumps two

is also October 12 uh okay Samantha Bean says venom is PG-13, isn't it? This makes me sad. Join the club, Samantha. I have more to say about that.

Yeah, I was about to say that. Pretty damn good PG-13 movie. I think you just showed your hand, Lance, but yeah. Well, I mean, all right. But, you know, yeah, we'll get into it. We'll get into what I think the R versus the PG is going to be. And I think most folks will be pleasantly surprised or understandable. Yeah.

No, well, yeah, we'll get there. Yeah, I mean, our man Gene was willing to give it a chance. So if the singing cowboy approves it, then how could we not? Why not? You have to. Our friends at the horror mafia posted, this time for us to be shamed is over. Okay.

Your associates, Donnie Rings, baby Joey, Bigville, and terrible town. start off a special subset of shows looking at films that have hosts that have been ashamed to admit they haven't seen yet. What a great concept. I know. Featuring the first pair of their choices in this first half of the series. Coming complete with a nice varied antipastos segment and another soprano's retrospective informing Arner Associate on The Stranger with guests David Z and James, two hosts. can now no longer live in fear of their community for not having seen these classics with the second round coming next week.

That's a good idea. I really like that. Oh, shit. Who would not listen to that podcast, man? You know, I've never seen The Sopranos. Really? I haven't either. I haven't either.

I've never seen it. It's one of my dad's favorite shows ever. It's like my top five all time. More than Jacks and Sons of Anarchy? Absolutely. Tony would take his ass out quickly. Nice. I'll get into it one day.

I'll get into it one day. But yeah, I just never got to at some point. Just like these guys, except not right now because they're going there. We don't want to steal the... We don't want to impose on their territory, huh? Right, right, right. You know. Regarding DC's Titans, Tanya Tanya Torrance is...

is at it to be good, but I got a bad feeling about this. She's not the only one. Ryan Stevens says, yes, more DCW. Was that, I can't read sarcastic. Hopefully that was sarcastic. We need a sarcastic font. They do.

Mike, I'm gonna invent that and be a millionaire. That's my goal. Mike Elric says, I'm hoping this is gonna be good. Fingers crossed, but based on the trailers so far, I am on the best. L-O-L. I haven't seen the trailers. There's been some early reviews. Some of the, a lot of them were positive.

Really? But they said it's really campy. Yeah, see, that. Well, you know what? Maybe they're just trying to get too far away from the super dark. Well, they also said it's ultra-violent, too. Just cheesy violence? Or good action violence with cheesy dialogue?

Yeah, I went ahead and got the DC Universe app. I'm going to check it out, but I've seen the new trailer, and there's some questionable CGI in there. Okay, so great action, cheesy, If Arnold Schwarzenegger is not in one episode, I'm going to be pissed. There's some questionable CGI in the new Aquaman trailer as well. I don't know if you guys saw that.

You think? Really? Oh my gosh. I must have not seen the new one. A lot going on in that trailer. It started when the episode, when the trailer started, and it was still there when it ended. It all looks cheesy. Yeah, it just... Did you really do the CGI break the glass? Glass?

No. Regarding the shed, what is the shed? It's a movie coming out, posted. I post a lot of posters for upcoming movies, so. Yeah, right. I'm not quite as involved with social media as I probably should. Hey, that's what we got Brian for. There you go.

Yeah. So regarding the shed, Ryan Stevens says, creepy poster, nice. Kevin Ortiz says we're going to have a fun night tonight. Okay. Okay. Cool. All right.

We'll give it a try. Yeah. Samantha Bean posted 66 horror movies coming to Blu-ray and time for Halloween. Not sure if this has been posted. She's always posting shit. Yeah. Great listener, especially since she's only, she only listens to us and posts on our shit because of a bet, which is awesome. Yep.

Keep it going, thank you, Samantha. Can't beat that. Regarding Hellboy, Kyle Robinson says, Cool, I like the guy playing him. Who's playing him again? David Harbor, Sheriff Hopner from a stranger thing. Which we should be talking about a trailer

next episode next week. Oh, we may have another, we're definitely have a double wide next episode, right? Ryan? Yeah, with New York Comic-Con. I'm expecting some stuff to be dropping this weekend, so. Oh, cool. Let's see. Samantha Bean says, has anyone heard of this one or seen it?

What movie are we talking about? I think it's like an Argentinian movie or something like that. New Argentinian horror film. Terrified. Terrified, okay. There it is. Yeah. Has anyone seen or heard of this?

this one. Looks terrifying and interesting. And she shared a link to the review for Terrified a new Argentinian horror film. Mark Ball says it's a wild ride. I think horror fans are going to love it. It takes a lot for the movie just to scare the

bejesia out of me, and this one did several times. Oh shit. It's also made by a first-time director from Argentina. Argentina. Argentina. Don't cry for me. So I'm hoping it's big enough, a big enough hit that we can start seeing more crazy foreign stuff, getting proper release instead of the 1000th conjuring spinoff. Indeed.

Hey, you know what? Original content, man, I'll take it. Right. And that is it for listener feedback this week. As always, thanks to everyone who reaches out to us. You can reach us at the horror returns at gmail.com Or check us out on any of our social medias. Check out our Facebook group if you guys are not on that.

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and leave us a five-star review. I think that's it, man. Thank you guys for reaching out to us and giving us some content for the show. You're the reason our world goes around. We thank you and we love you. All right, Brian, you're ready for some featured attractions? Let's do it. All right, we're going to take a look at the new Tom.

Hardy film Venom as well as 2008's Splinter We'll start as always with the Older movie Splinter director was Toby Wilkins Also known for the Grudge 3 And the TV show Teen Wolf Oh gosh

Ryder's Ian Shore Hey I watched the first 10 minutes of this and I fucking wish I had time to finish it because it looked pretty goddamn good but I'll let you guys talk about that Writers Ian Shore and Ty Berry. At the end of the movie,

Farrell gives Seth a key to a lockbox and a bank in Platt and tells him to go there to get his nest egg. The address listed is 1060 West Addison in Chicago. Any idea what that maps us out to

Jay? You were in Chicago recently. I was, but no, no idea. No idea. That's Wrigley Field, baby. Oh, really? That's where I wanted to go on my Miss Chicago trip. Oh, next year, next year.

Sorry, guys. And that's why they call it to trivia. So, Splinter, you guys saw it, I didn't. Jay, you want to go first? Yeah, sure. Actually, watched that today. I got home from work a little early. I was able to throw it on.

I enjoyed this movie. I really did. It's kind of got that whole zombie vibe feel to it. and if you're watching it for the first time, I know a lot of folks are probably just done with the whole zombie thing, but you got to remember, this came out in 08, so this is kind of before the big zombie craze. So it's, I mean, you can tell it was done on a very low budget. There was a lot of a quick, shaky camera scenes on a lot of the, a lot of the gore and a lot of the action, which, you know, understanding that the low budget, you got to take that into account. But, no, this, I had a fun time with this. This was good. I always loved those. Those where you get like a group of folks and they're kind of trapped in, you know, kind of like a missed type of scenario and they got to fend off the monsters, the crazy person or whatever the monster of the week is.

Great chemistry between the two, the boyfriend and the girlfriend. It just seems like an odd couple, but you see that, you know, you see that in real life. You see the nerdy guy and you got kind of the hot girl and she loves him for whatever reason. So it didn't really seem, you know, like these guys were forced together. So I really, I really liked that. And the one guy they picked up, but were you able to spoil? We're able to spoil it, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, the person they come up with, the guy who's, you know, the criminal, whatever he killed people or robbed, whatever he did. So, you know, you kind of see that relationship flipped to where, you know, they got to get rid of this guy to now they're all kind of saving each other. and trying to get each other's backs and trying to just get out of that place so they don't get eaten up by the splinter type parasite monster.

Yeah. I have fun with this. I really did. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I was just going to say, this is a nice little hidden gem that came out that not a lot of people know about. And the ones that do also, I find a lot of people that have seen it really liked it. It's very, to me, it's very creepy.

Once you get into when the parasite takes over, just the way it moves. You don't even have to be alive for it to control your body. And the way it'll bend your body over and start walking and crawling like that. Yeah, the Adams thing, the Adam family thing type scenes. Oh, yeah, that was cool stuff. And it sounds so painful once you get infected because it just starts snapping your bones and bending limbs backwards. and fingers are all bending in the opposite direction

and it's yeah man any any way you can think of for a body to move creepily it like does that in the opposite way so it's even more yeah yeah the yeah you missed this one yeah oh yeah you missed a good one Lance

I'm gonna go back and check it out yeah the guy that plays the one that's holding them hostage his his whole scene when his fingers and arms start bending every way oh oh very very claimable. And when

they try to, and I'm finger-quoting, heal him from the parasite and the knife didn't go all the way through so they had to come up with another option. I don't know what they thought was going to happen there. I can't seem to get this knife through the bone.

The second he picked it up and stuck it in his arm, I was like, how are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah. Eventually, you're going to run into a point in this where you can't finish the job with an exacto knife. So, Lance, they try to cut his arm off with an exacto knife.

And of course, you can only get so far with an exacto knife that you've got to come up with another idea. And these guys do go outside the box and I'll leave it to you to watch it to figure out what happens. Wow, I can't wait. How did you guys... How did you guys feel about the boyfriend? I liked his character because he was I like what he's what he call him a CDS right can't do shit it's like perfect I mean

can't always have the hero who knows and it can do everything you got to have realistic folks who actually have no idea what to do this guy didn't know how to drive stick didn't know how to change a tire didn't you probably know where the spare tire was I mean you've got to have those realistic characters like that to be in those in those scenarios and what they're going to do And yeah, he was like an upcoming doctor, right yet. Like he was going to school for a PhD, but he wasn't like super intelligent where he had a resolve for everything.

He was just dumbfounded as these other ones that were, you know, they were better at reacting under pressure and scenarios and all that. But he was just, he was on the level. You know, maybe he had a couple of quiet moments to figure something out, but it wasn't, you know, super MacGyverish or anything. So I really liked, I really liked his character. I thought he was perfect in this scene in this scenario. Yeah, I thought it was cool, like, roll reversal, because his girlfriend was super hot. Yes. She was like the tough chick, you know?

So she knew how to change the tire and all that junk. And he couldn't even drive a stick, you know? And the best thing about this, I think Lance got a new hall pass. I hope so. Wow, dude. Like I said, I just saw the first 10 minutes, but that was enough to know that I'm smitten. Yeah. Bad chick.

You know what? I'm going to give you guys some home. I'm going to give all of us some homework. Next episode, next episode, I think we should do our top five horror hall passes. Oh, I'm going to go. Too easy. That'll be a fun one. I'm going to have to think about it.

We're going to do some homework. But this is, okay, so the guy that we're talking about, he played the nerdy stoner dude in Road Trip, right? Yes, yes. Yeah. Okay. So yeah. I mean, he looks the part. I think it worked out well.

Yeah. There's a lot of dumb, dumb things that they do in this movie. Oh, yeah. And I think maybe a lot of plot holes. There's a lot of points where I'm like, why are they doing that? Why are they helping this guy?

You know, he had a gun in their face five minutes every night. I don't know there's somebody try to kill him. Don't let him back in the fucking store, dude. He just had a gun in your face. you know and you know again with the cut in the arm off scene that kind of thing

or or the decisions that they make to try to get to the car are fucking beyond me they're completely ridiculous you know I actually I actually liked how he got back

into the store because the girlfriend was like you know she was gung ho and she locked it right yeah this guy scared off his ass he has no idea he doesn't know he's got a gun you know

he can easily just shoot inside and get us. I mean, this guy is completely terrified, and you can tell he is not, he is always going to be, you know, the non-dominant one in the relationship. He's always, she's going to tell him what to do and all that. So he's, he's in a scenario where he needs that leadership. And if it's got to come from the guy with a gun, it's going to come with the guy with a gun. So he's obedient to everybody and everything. He's letting him in. So I thought it played perfectly with this character. You know, as a viewer, you're fresher. You're like, you're dumbass. What are you letting him in? But.

If it's perfect with, if it's perfect with his character. And that was only the beginning of bad decisions, so it sets the tone. So was, so was her character kind of a call, did it remind you a little bit of Charney Vincent and you're next? Was she that much of a badass? No. No. Okay. All right.

Not going that far, huh? But she's like approaching that, like a young version of that. She's fully capable of handling her. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

I mean, she didn't go full Olivia Munn and in Predator. You know, just, hey, I'm just a doctor. Now I'm a badass sniper lady. A Ranger, yeah, she didn't go that far. Really quick, going, really quick, going back to that movie. Was Olivia Munn a fucking high school science teacher? Was she? Something like that.

Something. What did I give that movie? Because it needs to go down. It wasn't that bad. I mean, it was that bad. It was. Yes, it was. It was fun.

I had fun. No. Fuck you guys. I had to think about what happened in that movie. I already forgot about it. But this one, aside from plot holes in stupid decisions, I think it was a lot of fun. They had a lot of practical effects. Oh, yeah.

Definitely. It looked like it came out of the thing, you know? It did, especially that last scene with the fire. Oh, yeah. Just flashback, that brought me like, yep. They've definitely picked this straight up from the thing. And the movements were crazy. I love the way everything worked.

This weird fucking creature that kept adding body parts onto it. And there were a couple of really hokey CGI moments, but I, you know, it's a lower budget movie. And there were scenes where practical effects would not have been, you know, they're not going to. put the fucking predator up on wires and shit and running across a roof when you can just CGI it. Yeah, or even the quick

camera movements, you know because probably the practical just didn't look good. Enough for if you want that still. So you got to kind of take that into account knowing, okay, it's a little quick and you can't really kind of see what's going on at sometimes. But you know,

you know why they're doing that. I was totally cool with that. Yeah, I was too. And it, and it had a very creepy atmosphere, man. I think this movie was, uh, it's like you said, it's a hidden gym. It's a, a total, just diamond in the rough, man.

I'd never even heard of it. So I'm pleasantly surprised. Yeah, on that note, uh, Jay, why don't you give us your score? Uh, I'm gonna go seven out of ten. I enjoy it. I really enjoyed this movie.

Nice. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. I've, I've seen this quite, quite a few times. So I'm, I'm gonna go seven and a half. Yeah. Damn, dude. BAM! I'm gonna give it a, uh, I'm gonna give it a seven. I like it a lot.

I think it was definitely worth the watch if you've never seen it. Um, you know, it's not, it's not a fucking summer blockbuster, but it's, it's completely worth watching if you can catch it on on demand or Amazon or whatever. And it's rewatchable. I mean, you mean, it may not be like something you watch every single year, but a couple years down the road, I'll throw that on again. that on again. That was pretty good. Yeah. Cool. Cool monster movie. Yep. Definitely. Definitely. I may be watching this one tonight after we get, after we get done

recording, man. I love the first 10, 10 or 15 minutes. I love where it was going. So Lance, based on the first 10 minutes, what do you give it? Do you give it seven minutes at a 10? I would, yeah. Yeah. I can't, I can't fairly give it a score. Come on. You're ready to move on?

Yep. All right, let's get into the big one. Venom, beat out bad times at the El Royale in our challenge on the Facebook group. By default. Director Ruben Fleischer, also known for the TV show Superstore and the upcoming. Oh, he's already landed the role of directing Zambiland 2. That's a lot of comedy. Well, we'll see.

And here we go. God damn it. My favorite, writing by committee. This is not a good sign, guys. Scott Rosenberger, Jeff Pinkner, Kelly, Marcel, and Will Beale, whoever that is. The filmmakers,

oh, this is laughable, or it could be. The filmmakers cite the films of horror directors, John Carpenter, and David Cronenberg, as an influence, as well as the horror comedy, comedy films American Werewolf in London and Ghostbusters.

All right, guys, why not just lay yourself out for a flaying here. I mean, you're listed some of the greatest films ever made. Aye, aye, aye. All right, Tom Hardy cites the Renan Stippy Show. Now we're back down to Earth. Ren and Stippy Show was an influence on the relationship between Eddie Brock and Venom.

I always saw Venom as a lounge lizard. And Eddie Brock is an everyday kind of guy who's inherited this massive ego beast. All right, Tom Hardy. Can I have some of what you're smoking, please? Jay, you're our guest, man. Okay, so I go into this not knowing hardly anything about Venom. I'm not a big Spider-Man guy.

Sorry, Logan James. Don't be mad at me. And the only Venom that I really have, you know, I've ever seen or done anything is Spider-Man 3. So with basically no, this supposedly have no connection to Spider-Man, the MCU, whatever. I had a fun time with it. I really did.

I was able to take that out, not knowing, not caring, for the most part, that that had anything to do with Spider-Man and all that and kept it on its own. Like we've mentioned many times before, you know, Tom Hardy can do no wrong. It doesn't matter if he's in a crappy movie or whatever.

He still knocks it out of the park. He did a good job. I know some people have some issues with his accent. I didn't see any problems with it. At first I didn't. It wasn't too sure, and I'm not spoiling anything, but he's supposed to be from New York who moved to San Francisco. So yeah, he does have that New York accent or whatever. So that probably makes it sound good. The comedy part, I can see what they're saying, what influence about American Warwolf and London Ghostbusters. I can see that. You can see that. You can see that?

Yeah, I don't know about the Renan Stimby. I don't know what the shit he was talking about. I did not see. Or no, the aspect of what he's talking about. about in the movie in comparison. I don't know what he's talking about. But no, it's pretty good. Some of the CGI, especially in the battle scenes, was a little, it was kind of hard to see who was hitting who

and what was going on. So that was a little I think that's going to take a hit on that. That's where I was going to bring out Transformers. Exactly. Exactly. It's and it's really, it's a basic superhero movie. It's

something you've seen a bunch of times. You've seen it an ant man. You've seen it an Iron Man. Who the main bad guy is going to turn out to be and is who the main antagonist and what he's going to be capable of. So they didn't invent anything new in here. So it was, I had a fun time. Well, Brian, I think I think you're going to probably be on one side and I may be on the other. So, Philip, what do you think, man?

So I'm kind of in the middle with this one. I'm not sure what to think about it yet. It wasn't, it wasn't near as bad as everybody's making it out to be. Don't listen to me. I agree. As, as much as I hate when people say, well, they should have done this and they should have done that, like, you know, what happens in the Star Wars universe. Where everybody's a fucking Monday morning quarterback and they, and they wouldn't say how they would have directed the movie. Patrick, we're talking to you.

Patrick alert. You need a Patrick alert. But I really feel like this character, Venom, is a scary fucking dude, and I think that they could have gone a little more of a horror route, even though there is a lot of horror aspects in it,

especially in the... There is. There is. And I think it would have lent itself really well to an R rating. And I think that they should have gone with that. I get why they did

what they did, but I think it maybe should have been a little... They could have done something really unique with this movie and made it really stand out. And instead, what they did was made another Marvel movie,

another origin story. It's like a slightly darker version of Spider-Man, is what they did. here. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. I enjoyed it the whole time. I mean, I stuck with it the whole time. I just

right. Is it on that upper echelon of Marvel movies? No. But it wasn't, it wasn't, I didn't have a bad time with it. It's okay in my book. And on the rated R aspect, I

think it was filmed as rated R if I remember correctly. And it was and there's going to be a rated R version on the Blu-ray and I believe it was toned down so if they can make that connection to the MCU you can incorporate that and the whole MCU can have all PG-13 movies right so you're going to get that and I think we've got to wait until we get into spoilers before we start talking about what the PG-13 could have been into the R you know you don't really yeah I agree yeah I agree and I don't want to get the two part yet you're right with the fight scenes there's a there's

there's some kind of hokey CGI where they make it look very very animated very animated yeah well we'll see what I have to say about that because y'all know I normally hate CGI could have been made Meg look good I mean it

it very likely was on purpose to make it look slightly comic bookie but it didn't really vibe with the rest of the movie you mean kind of like like 300 was filmed yeah no I don't think so because the movie wasn't like that I mean, the last movie was kind of a, I mean, even the language was borderline for PG-13, you know? But it was just on those couple of, like, there was just a couple of scenes where they made it look very animated and comic booky, and I don't think they really fit in with the rest of the movie.

I think that the, oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. The beginning of the movie, the first half was such a different tone than the second half. It was like it was two different movies that got kind of mashed together. Sure. Tom Hardy did a great job I loved him I didn't

I thought his accent was weird when I watched the trailers but after watching the movie you get into it and you forget about all that it wasn't near as bad as I expected it to be yeah I think that was more of a voiceover for the trailer

because he sounded very very Terrence Howardy He did well there you go and he did sound like he was from Brooklyn and New York throughout the whole movie you know so it I mean it fits for what his character was, yeah.

And I've heard him have been described as like a bumbling character and I don't think that's the case. I think that he played a very cool, quirky guy and he pulled it off. I like it. Yeah, no, no, he didn't, he wasn't bumbling at all. I mean, I mean, he was going through some shit that probably made him, you know,

that he was going through a couple of things and then and then the venom on top of that. So yeah, that could easily mess with anybody. Well, yeah, no, you're right. No, he was, I'd hide you. Yeah, that'll do it. Sometimes it's uncomfortable. American Horror Story style. When you pick this movie, dude, and then I saw that first trailer,

which was like the, kind of like a, I don't know, it was it kind of like a teaser where it just showed like the spaceship crash and then a couple of other scenes like him and the MRI and stuff like that. I was definitely ready. I was doing my best Saturday Night Live weekend update. impression of Brian, you, you ignorant slut. You motherfucker. You fucking asshole, dude.

You're really honestly going to make us sit through this piece of shit. So I get into the movie theater today, man. And probably about five or ten minutes in when Tom Hardy starts taking over, I really fucking enjoyed this movie. This was a great movie, man. It's a really good Gene got it right. He nailed it, man. popcorn

popcorn movie all the way man it's uh I you know I I do know a little bit of the comic books because I was reading about the storyline when Spider-Man got that symbiotic costume and it got transferred over to Eddie Brock and all that so I knew a little

bit about it but it was a totally fresh take on it I really enjoyed it in my opinion Tom Hardy like fucking stole the show I mean this you guys are right this guy can do no fucking wrong I'm sold Brian take us a way, man. The villain is terrible

though, by the way. Yeah, it's typical. Yeah, if Tom Hardy wasn't in this, this movie would be complete garbage, but he was fantastic in this movie. I did, I also agree the CGI was a little

wonky here and there. I love it. I'll put it on record. I really love the CGI in this movie. I really did. I enjoyed it. For the most part, but when the big fight, the big fight, and I don't want to say who he fight, but at the very end, the big fight, sometimes you couldn't tell what

was going on. And it was that part. Everything else was fine. Also, when he is fully venom for the first time, I also kind of felt like that was a little wonky too. But, yeah, for me, it was, but the rest of the movie, the CGI, I

thought worked. I thought it was very well done. Yeah, because he also had like this liquidy, liquidy, you know, form. So I thought it was flowing. Yeah, I think it looked kind of weird, but if you know it's supposed to be some kind of like flowing liquid,

I think it works. Yeah, and I kind of dug the interaction between the two of them. Yeah. Yeah. I did it, man. And didn't Tom Hardy do the voice as well, right? Yeah. He's also the voice of Venom, and he's... I don't know, that was a perfect voice. Yeah.

Yeah. I was reading the trivia, if I remember correctly. I think he recorded Venom first, right? And then they were, as he was doing his Eddie Brock, he was being fed through like an earpiece or whatever, the Vennam dialogue. So he was actually acting to himself. Oh, wow.

Oh, cool. Yeah, I had no problem with this movie. I had a really fun time at the movie theater today, and I did not expect to. So, yeah. Tom Hardy, man, I'm a believer. This dude can pull off anything. It was all about him.

And yeah, I had no. problem with the accent at all. And I agree with you, Brian. I think it was like a voiceover it or something like that in that first trailer. And I have no problem with sequels for this movie. I think as long as they keep it like a standalone

kind of. You know how they do in the comics, how they do these kind of what if scenarios if this person was never in this, you know, situation. Ah, yeah, yeah. I think I would be okay with Venom sequels if it was

just Venom and they didn't try to introduce Spider-Man or, you know, anybody else. Yeah, because in Spider-Man world, Venom is a bad guy. He is a villain. And here, he's the hero slash anti-hero. So don't try to make them into both. I hated it a few years ago when all these movies were coming out. We take the villain from these movies and you try to turn them into a good person and they had good origins and all that shit. Just leave it a little. Or the Sleeping Beauty Lady or the Drag. Dracula movie, you know, Dracula on. It's just, let these villains be villains.

But for this one, if you're going to do that, don't tie him back into Spider-Man. Brian's right. Leave him alone. Let, let this be this what-if version of Venom. Well, we've definitely got a villain set up for the next movie, although I didn't kind of like that too much. Spoiler alert. Nah, I didn't say anything. But we'll get there.

Oh, yeah. You know, they're going to leave you. Leave you. leave you a little bit of something on the plate so you're ready for next time well it's it's all about spoilers so you guys ready to to score it and move on stick around for the uh at least the first after credit scene the second after credit scene has nothing to do with the movie at all oh and i didn't even check that one out so you oh there was a second one there was a yeah but it's it had to do with the trailer the trailer for the first movie can i can i can i spoil the second after credit yeah i'm gonna go

You're going to do that because it has nothing like now Venom at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fine. So no, no spoiler alert. It's just the first scene from that same goddamn Spider-Man animated trailer that you've been seeing with the Black Kid in the multiverse. Oh, okay. Yes, okay, it's like the first scene out of that movie.

That's the second after credit scene. Okay, whatever. Yeah. And it's just the, it's the, it just shows the version of Venom, right? That's it? Is that it? There's no venom in it. It's just, it's just, it's,

That kid as Spider-Man. And he runs into the other Spider-Man from, I don't know. Like Spider-Ham? They showed it in the trailer, though. But that was the trailer. Yeah. That was the trailer. The whole trailer was all these Spider-Men and women who were coming together,

and they got to figure out how to get home or whatever. And then the after-credit scene was just a continuation of the trailer. That's all it was. You guys are killing me now. Yeah. So you're good. Lance. anything. Yeah, it doesn't sound like it. So the after-credit scene was a continuation of something that you

would most likely seen before the movie even started. Yeah, it had nothing to do with the Venet movie. Absolutely nothing. Yeah, that was weird. So what's worse? That or the Ant-Man and Wasp and Credit Seat? That. The, the, the, because it had nothing to do with the movie. I don't, I don't, I don't, I didn't even mind so much the Ant Man and the Wasp after-credit scene. I felt like I wasted my time. sitting around waiting for it but it was at least something to let you know okay here it is you're done go home that was the ant man thing this one was oh yeah why am i watching this it's a fucking trailer for a completely different movie yes that's all it was sucking you in huh yeah or trying to but the first the the first little middle credit scene you got to stick around for that one that's

that's important yeah very important, although I don't know why, but we'll talk about that later, I guess. So is this a 10J or what? I'm going to stick with seven, maybe seven and a half. Oh, wow. Seven and a half? That's pretty good. I had a fun, I'm telling you, man, I don't care about the whole connection with Spider-Man, and he's not, you know, once we get into the Joker, you know, if there's a Joker movie, no Batman, then I'm going to have a different take on it because I'm a big Batman fan. I'm not a big Spider-Man guy, so I take all that out and I look at it as an, origin superhero movie. Is it cookie cutter to a degree? Yes, it is. But you had somebody like Tom Hardy

who knocked it completely out of the ballpark and bumped it up two to three points. So yeah, seven, seven and a half. Yeah, I agree. I'm going to give it, the same thing I gave Suicide Squad. I think I had a good time watching this, but it's not...

Because I actually enjoyed the Suicide Squad a whole lot more than most people did. A lot more than any of us did. That's the answer. I'm going to give it a six. I think I had a good time with it. Not bad. I'm not mad that I watched it.

Tom Hardy was excellent, but he was probably the only one. And if you forget about it being a benem movie and just take it for what it is, like take the venom name out of it,

then I think it becomes a little bit better movie. It's just when you try to input your own thoughts of what it should be that it fucks it up. It's a superhero movie with a different take. Yeah.

I'm going to give it a 7. Nice. And I'm going to say that's probably about five points more than I thought I was going to give it. And closing thoughts without spoilers are that I personally for me, the CGI was almost flawless. I understand

what you guys are talking about where there was a particular battle scene and it was a little bit dark. But, you know, other than that, I thought the CGI was beautiful. I enjoyed watching it. I thought that Tom Hardy literally made this movie from start to finish. I believed him every step of the way. I thought he was perfect for this role.

He's probably responsible single-handedly for five and a half of those seven points. Oh, absolutely. Easily. Exactly. Exactly. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that when they were referencing that it was inspired by Cronenberg, I'm going to agree. There was a lot of really great body horror in this. And for a PG-13 movie, I was fucking blown away.

I was very satisfied by what they provided. So, seven. Lance, I totally agree with everything you said about Tom Hardy. He made this movie for me. I went in this movie with probably the lowest of expectations I could have. And I just went in. I was just like, okay, I'm gonna take it for what it is. And I'm gonna try to have fun with it.

I even bought the collector's popcorn and cup. Nice. And which look pretty badass. And it's probably 30 fucking dollars. Well, I got a, I got a discount. Oh, that's part of my old of the week. Yeah. My son works at the theater.

Oh, you ass. Free movies. Movie. But yeah, I had fun. I'm gonna give it a, yeah, seven, I'm gonna go seven. Wow, nice, nice. Dude, this is way higher score than I expected. No kidding, dude.

Surprisingly, amazingly, and unbelievably, every single one of us recommends you guys go out and check this movie out. Yes. Yes. So surprised. If you're a die-hard Spider-Man fan, take that. If you can, take it out. me being a diehard Batman fan

it's going to be hard for me to take that out for the Joker so I understand Guys I get it but if you can take it out Enjoy the movie what it is Enjoy Tom Hardy You know just like like Phil said Just take the whole venom part Move it away

Enjoy Tom Hardy you're gonna have a blast Yeah You may not get free popcorn like Ryan But you're gonna have fun And you're right about the CGI man It was it was kind of cool and flowy With the liquidy thing I think I really like the design of venom

I maybe wish that it hadn't looked quite so CGI because it was very obviously CGI but I mean what else are you supposed to do with it? To me yeah to me it felt like that was by design I mean I remember the first movie that really blew me away with the CGI was Jurassic Park but I really kind of feel like

with this one they kind of moved they took a step forward with this one in my opinion I just really enjoyed it so you know It is what it is. Philip, we got some spoilers, right? Spoiler alert. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned.

This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. This is a motherfucking spoiler alert. You've been fucking warned. Well, what about the mid-credit scene there? What you think about? About red-headed sideshow bar? Yeah.

Fucking Ronald McDonald over there. His hair was bothering me the whole time. It was so hard to take him serious. And he completely lost his number of lip. I don't know much about carnage. But Woody Harrelson's good. He's just like Tom Hardy's going to be good in anything he does. I have no, I don't know what to expect.

All I know. Carnus is supposed to be more of a more psychotic, more crazy version of Venom, correct? Yeah, because Cletus Cassidy, which is the character Woody plays, is a serial killer. Yeah. And so just, you know, take a symbiote, symbiote, whatever. I don't know, they kept saying it differently in a movie. But basically, you form them together and then you get Carnage. But I kind of didn't like how he just.

kind of drop the name. I thought it was cool that it dropped the name because for somebody who is not familiar with the Spider-Man universe and stuff, I think the fact that they put that Carnage name out there. Because I'm not super familiar with the comic books, but I at least know who the characters are. So when he said Carnage, I was like, ah, Carnage, that's going to be cool. Yeah.

Carnage, he's like the Red Venom, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm looking forward to it, but it's just his delivery of it and like you said, his hair. Yeah, he's weird looking. Yeah, it was maybe, I mean, you know, if you're going to have your own take on the movie anyway and change the story up, I think maybe change the story up and not get him crazy red Ronald McDonald's here. I believe that's what the character looks like. Oh, it is.

That's what I'm saying. but they could have changed the way that he looked, right? Just shave his head. Yeah. Or it just looked weird on Woody Harrelson. I think that's what it was. I mean, if you would have got somebody else. And, man, if you would have got, and I'm going to go back to Splinter,

and I don't know if you guys recognize the first guy to get affected was Skinny Pete from Breaking Bad. Now, if you would have had that on him. Is that who that was? I think he would look fine. It's just, it looks weird on Woody. That's, that's, yeah. Well, you don't mind. I want to talk about the PG-13R.

Yes, because I'm very interested to get into this because Tom Hardy's recently came out and said his favorite scenes in a movie are not in the movie. Oh, I just don't imagine that. Dude, it was a long movie. Yeah, it was a little over two hours, no? Yeah, it's like two hours and 20 minutes. Wow.

So I think you're going to get So here's what he did He killed a lot of people He ate a lot of people Maybe not the whole body's but he ate at least what three heads And and you what you got in the PG version He did he ate like three heads And he actually ate they were off screen

Now they're all off that's the thing You see you see from the person who's being eaten You see from his point of view So you see the big head The big mouth and throat coming at you On the rated R I think you're going to to get it from the other point of view i think you're going to get it from like a third party port of you and you're going to see him rip his head off and blood go everywhere i don't think you're

going to get much of a difference in the movie in the way it acted in the way it seemed out i think you're just going to get different takes on how these people were killed and you're going to get more of how because you sometimes you'll just see venom you see his arms and you'll push them and they go away and they're like going through walls and shit but i think you're going to get just get more blood and more visual effects on the deaths and that's really going to be the only twist to the R. Yeah. So it takes it up a point but it doesn't

really change the dynamic of the whole movie. That's my take on it but I'll wait and see till the Blu-ray comes out and I'll definitely buy it just to see it. I think had it been a different movie it would have had a it would have been more advantageous to have an R rating.

Like if they had made it more of a horror style really serious fucking movie instead of but you know towards the second half of it it got kind of hokey and comedy and my seven year old

that took him with me loved this movie loved it loved every second of it so and that's the point and there's the point of the PG 13 it has to be for everybody yep I don't think this movie should have been for everybody I think it should have been a rated R

Marvel movie should with the Deadpool and Logan version yeah it would have made as much money though I understand what you guys are saying, but what I'm saying is that for what I got, considering I knew it was PG-13 going in, I was very happy with what they delivered. I thought the language was really good.

I know, it was realistic dialogue, man. It did not strike me as that, you know, ah, gee whiz, you know, PG-rated fucking superhero dialogue at all. I think the F-bomb was dropped two, three times. At least once that I can remember. But I thought that the, like, I guess I keep going back to the CGI. But like that part when he knocked on his neighbor's door,

and he finally got the fucking guts because of venom, to go knock on the door and say, look, man, will you turn the music down? And the guy's like, whatever. And then that fucking face, I thought that was amazing. That was cool. That was very horror style. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, the CTI was fantastic.

For me, it was just the final fight scene with Riot. When that was the only part that it seemed kind of wonky, everything else Lance I'm with you I love the CGI I love the liquidy flow great how it enveloped his face and sometimes you see half a venom face and half his face everything all the CGI was great just except for that

a couple of scenes on the big fight that was all that riot scene got very transformersy where there was just too much shit going on on the screen yeah too much going on fair enough yeah yeah yeah yeah you could tell one from the other exactly it really reminded me of Black Panther one scene that I I love that movie, but one scene I didn't like was the fight at the end.

Yes. Yeah. You got two CGI characters and the CGI background kind of going back and forth. And it just, it kind of takes you out a little bit. It gets, it gets chaotic. You can't follow what's going on. Yeah. Yeah, fair enough.

Well, and there was a, I think the scene with maybe the, uh, the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the cops that he was fighting. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Using one of them. Like, that dude would have every bone in his body broken. Like, I don't kill.

We don't kill cops. Oh, yeah? Like, fucking guarantee you just kill that one. It wasn't a bad Hulk smash. It wasn't a bad scene. But I think that that was one of them that was, it was weirdly stylized to make it look more animated than necessary. True, true. But not in the, but not in the 300 way.

Like, would they fake? No. No, no, definitely not. No. Yeah, not quite like that, but they still, it was still very stylized and very animated and it didn't exactly flow with the rest of the movie, I thought. Yeah, fair enough, man. Some of the stuff they kept in that I'm glad they kept in was like when someone got bones broken, you actually seen it. Yes.

Like his motorcycle accident where both his legs were just twisted. Oh, yeah, that was cool, man, the way he healed him like that. So, Riot at the beginning. That whole leading up to finally getting to that jackass bad guy who was fucking terrible. Riot was awesome up until then because he just kept taking over people. And that was a big more aspect of the movie. And I thought that that, I really liked that part of it. There was a lot of character development in this movie.

That reminded me of that movie with Denzel Washington in it. Do you know the one I'm talking about, Brian? Oh, yes. Yeah. That really got that. John Goodman's in there, right? Where the demon or angel keeps flipping bodies and stuff?

Yeah. What did you guys think of Michelle Williams? I'm not a big fan of her. Did she have a fucking wig on in this movie? There was some weird scene, like their early scene in the

restaurant. The scenes from, the camera angles from the back of her head, I kind of felt like that wasn't her at time. It was kind of weird because it just kept jumping back and forth. I don't know. They could have put anybody in that role. She didn't do anything spectacular.

Anybody could have done that. Yeah. It was pretty bland until female Venom showed up. That was kind of cool. Would you? That was a neat effect. Of course. Of course.

Why not? Why not? He probably wouldn't have a choice. Which kind of ranks in even sex here? Oh, yeah. Like the American horror story, but with a chick, instead of a guy in the rubber outfit. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Yeah, sign me up for that. Well, it depends. Are you all ready to wrap it up? Because we got some more recording to do tonight, boys. Yeah. You know, sir. I'm going to go in a weird direction with that,

and we should not go that route. Any final thoughts or spoilers that we didn't already talk about? We all recommend seeing the movie. definitely yeah definitely just the bad guy he's no different than the bad guy you saw in the first Iron Man true no different than the bad guy you got

in the first Ant Man he is you know he's a terrible bad guy he took me out of the movie every time he came on screen he was terrible actor oh no he wasn't that bad he was all not I didn't think he was that bad the one thing I did like about him is he wasn't over the top bad guy

and crazy he still manipulated. Very manipulative. He is very manipulative. And when he got the doctor lady, you know, just to give up Eddie Brock, you know, just the way he delivered his lines was...

Now, I didn't like that. He became riot or something like that. It would probably would have been better if it was somebody else. I don't know who you could have got in there as riot. I would agree. I would agree. That was cheap. That was cheap. That's the one thing. That's what didn't make me like that guy is he became. He became the fucking Jeff Bridges.

of Iron Man and the ball guy and Antman and fucking Lex Luthor. He's like, yeah. He's going to put it any better, Jay. Exactly. Man, just, yeah. Except he's not as good of an actor

as any of those people. Yeah. Well, actually, you know, he did a pretty good job on the HBO show. What was that one? Oh, shit. I just remember him from that movie

Four Lions, where they were doing like the trying to do the terrorist bombing at the London Marathon but they kept fucking everything up. You guys remember that one? No. Wasn't he the guy from the night of? Remember that HBO show?

Probably. Yeah, that was him. And he's in Rogue One, so I'll give him. I got his action figures, so he gets a pass. He's in Rogue One? He's a guy that came up with the name, Rogue One in the movie. Okay. Yeah, he was the defector, like the Tie Fighter pilot or some shit.

Newsflash, Philip, he doesn't give a fuck what you think about it. No, that's fine. I just think he was trying. all the way to the bank. I'm sure he is, but he was terrible in this movie. Oh, and he was there to pick up a three check and that was it. A trailer we reviewed for a saddle

up. He's in the sister brothers. No shit. Man, this guy's in a bunch of shit. Well, hopefully he does a better job. Well, he won't be in Venom too. Ha! Ha! You never know. It's a comic book movie, dude. Oh, that's true.

All right. Well, listen, we definitely want to think everybody for listening to another episode of the horror returns. We would love to hear your feedback and ideas. You know where to reach us. You know where to find us on social media. You know where to find us on iTunes. Next week, Brian, we're going to let the kids take over again, right?

Is that what we're doing? I think so. Are we doing bad times at the El Royale? Are we going to do both of them? If you guys want to, I'm going to watch both movies. movies. Well, we should definitely not do our top five hall passes on the same episode with the kids. Not with

the kids! Okay, let's do our top five with bad times. All right. Also, what were we doing? Identity with that one? Oh, absolutely. Oh, yeah. And we will be doing goosebumps too

for our kids' Halloween episode. Nice. Deal. Nice. We owe it to the kids and Lance, you owe it to me because you made me watch boo too last year. You didn't even do that episode. That was funny. It's for the children.

Yeah, Brian, it's for the children. Watch the movie. Yeah, I was, I lied to. All right, Jay. Until the horror returns again. Good night.